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General Category => Biblical Archaeology => Topic started by: Christian40 on February 15, 2014, 04:25:27 am



Title: Camel study and the Bibles historical accuracy
Post by: Christian40 on February 15, 2014, 04:25:27 am
The article title is "Camel study throws the Bible's historical accuracy into question" see how they throw doubt upon the Bible immediately i'm sure this can be refuted easily

"The accuracy of the Bible has long been a hotly contested topic.

Now, camels — of all things — have thrown a hump into the holy book's writings.

New research showed the domesticated animals didn't arrive in Israel until the 10th century BC — several centuries after they make an appearance in the Bible.

Camels are mentioned dozens of times in the Old Testament, in stories about Abraham, Jacob and other biblical patriarchs.

Genesis 24, for example, tells of Abraham’s servant going by camel on a mission to find a wife for Isaac.

But carbon-dating research conducted by archaeologists Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University contradicts the Bible's text.

The Israeli archeologists' research placed the age of the earliest-known camel bones in Israel around 930 and 900 BC.

Many historians believe stories in the Old Testament took place much earlier, between 2000 and 1500 BC.

The findings suggest the Bible was written much later than the events it describes, and support earlier studies that have challenged its veracity as a historical document.

A hot-button topic on social media, the study did not trouble biblical scholars.

“We expect history to provide an accurate narrative of real events,” Carol Meyers told TIME. “The biblical authors, composers, writers used their creative imaginations to shape their stories, and they were not interested in what actually happened, they were interested in what you could learn from telling about the past."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/culture-lifestyle/world-religion/140213/camel-study-throws-the-bibles-accuracy-even-mo


Title: Re: Camel study and the Bibles historical accuracy
Post by: Kilika on February 16, 2014, 04:47:16 am
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and they were not interested in what actually happened,

Definitely the words of an unbeliever, to suggest bible writers weren't interested in the truth. They feared God with their very lives, and this clown thinks the writers just jotted stuff down not caring about whether it's true or not? That is just stupid and a lie.

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The Israeli archeologists' research placed the age of the earliest-known camel bones in Israel around 930 and 900 BC.

Don't make the mistake in thinking that because these two are Israeli, that they believe the bible. Many archeologists are atheists. In fact, I'd say most are.

But the key is, "...the earliest-known camel bones". So they haven't found any older, so they declare they know it all and that they've found the first camels that came to the area? And people are suppose to believe that?

Keep in mind there are those Israelis that side with the Palestinians, and are actively trying to discredit anything that might prove the existence of the temple. If they shoot down the bible as some book carelessly written for entertainment value that really isn't true, they win the battle in Jerusalem. That's also the same mentality of the Catholic Cult, that the bible isn't entirely accurate, and that it isn't totally true.

I think lots more is going on with this type story than the truth.


Title: Re: Camel study and the Bibles historical accuracy
Post by: Mark on February 17, 2014, 08:53:33 am
for some reason this story keeps going, despite the fact that there is no real evidence for the claims, and no real science. Some guy made some claims while using no real science and that just disproves the whole Bible wrong.  ::) Here is my original post on this story, and then the on going story line.

http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,7939.msg47298.html#msg47298
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Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say

Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating
There ya go. Radiocarbon dating which DOESNT WORK, disproves the Bible. This is a direct attack on the Bible. Nothing else. to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.         

“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

How do they know these are the oldest camel bones in the whole Arabian Peninsula?  :D 

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Wait!!! So they have older camel bones, but they were wild camels.  ??? come on man... There is NO SCIENCE here. None what so ever.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

"The introduction of the camel to our region was a very important economic and social development," Ben-Yosef said. "By analyzing archaeological evidence from the copper production sites of the Aravah Valley, we were able to estimate the date of this event in terms of decades rather than centuries."

The arrival of domesticated camels promoted trade between Israel and exotic locations unreachable before, according to the researchers. Camels can travel over much longer distances than donkeys and mules, opening up trade routes like the Incense Road that stretched from Africa through Israel to India.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/06/camel-bones-suggest-error-in-bible/

Radiocarbon Dating only works if you dont know how old something is. Heck it will work 100% of the time. BUT if you know just how old something is, than all radiocarbon dating fails 100% of the time. Heck the C14 has never equalized in the atmosphere.  :D

http://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=6Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say

Archaeologists from Israel’s top university have used radiocarbon dating
There ya go. Radiocarbon dating which DOESNT WORK, disproves the Bible. This is a direct attack on the Bible. Nothing else. to pinpoint the arrival of domestic camels in the Middle East -- and they say the science directly contradicts the Bible’s version of events.

Camels are mentioned as pack animals in the biblical stories of Abraham, Joseph and Jacob, Old Testament stories that historians peg to between 2000 and 1500 BC. But Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archaeology and Near Eastern Cultures say camels weren’t domesticated in Israel until centuries later, more like 900 BC.         

“In addition to challenging the Bible's historicity, this anachronism is direct proof that the text was compiled well after the events it describes,” reads a press release announcing the research.

To find the first camel, Sapir-Hen and Ben-Yosef used radiocarbon dating to analyze the oldest known camel bones in the Arabian Peninsula, found at the remains of a copper smelting camp in the Aravah Valley, which runs along the border with Jordan from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea.

How do they know these are the oldest camel bones in the whole Arabian Peninsula?  :D 

The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later — centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier.

Wait!!! So they have older camel bones, but they were wild camels.  ??? come on man... There is NO SCIENCE here. None what so ever.

Notably, all the sites active in the 9th century in the Arava Valley had camel bones, but none of the sites that were active earlier contained them.

"The introduction of the camel to our region was a very important economic and social development," Ben-Yosef said. "By analyzing archaeological evidence from the copper production sites of the Aravah Valley, we were able to estimate the date of this event in terms of decades rather than centuries."

The arrival of domesticated camels promoted trade between Israel and exotic locations unreachable before, according to the researchers. Camels can travel over much longer distances than donkeys and mules, opening up trade routes like the Incense Road that stretched from Africa through Israel to India.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/06/camel-bones-suggest-error-in-bible/

Radiocarbon Dating only works if you dont know how old something is. Heck it will work 100% of the time. BUT if you know just how old something is, than all radiocarbon dating fails 100% of the time. Heck the C14 has never equalized in the atmosphere.  :D

http://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=6

Does the Camel Study Really Prove That the Bible Is Inaccurate?

A college professor is hitting back at contentions that the Old Testament is inaccurate following a newly released study from archaeologists at Tel Aviv University claiming that domesticated camels didn’t arrive to the eastern Mediterranean region until the 10th century B.C.

Since the Bible references Abraham, among others, using camels hundreds of years before they were domesticated in the region, critics are wondering if the study shows that the Biblical texts are inaccurate or if the camel references were placed into the writings long after the Old Testament events unfolded.

As the debate continues, Dr. Andrew Steinmann, a professor of theology and Hebrew at Concordia University-Chicago, is addressing these very questions. In an interview with Issues, Etc., a Christian radio station, Steinmann recently made an important clarification about the study that was released by archaeologists Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen.

The two examined camel bones that showed signs of carrying heavy loads, finding through radiocarbon dating that the bones were from the 10th century, CNN reported. But the Bible claims that Abraham was using the animals as early as 2100 B.C.

“What these archaeologists are doing … is when they read about somebody like Abraham having camels, they’re saying, ‘Aha! The Bible is saying that camels were widespread in Palestine during this period of time, and there’s no archaeological evidence for that,’” Steinmann said.

The professor isn’t arguing that there is vast evidence for the widespread use of domesticated camels in the eastern Mediterranean region; he says there isn’t. But Steinmann said that this isn’t at all what the Bible proclaims, according to The Christian Post.

“What it is showing is that somebody who originally came from Mesopotamia, like Abraham, he did have some camels,” Steinmann said, according to a transcript prepared by Stand to Reason.

The professor argued that other mentions of camels in the Old Testament were tied to people related to Abraham, but that there is no mention of Israelites owning the domesticated animal.

Steinmann rejected the idea that someone has been tampering with the Biblical text and adding camels into the mix well after Old Testament events took place. He argued, instead, that the Bible’s accounts are very accurate.

“Because they confine it to people from Mesopotamia or the Arabian Peninsula,” he said of the camel references. “If this person was going to give himself away, you would expect [to see] him depicting the Canaanites having camels, or people like that. But he doesn’t say the Canaanites or the Phoenicians are making extensive use of camels.”

He also noted that the use of camels was going on in Iran long before Abraham’s time.

“At least 1,000 years before Abraham, dromedary camels — the single hump ones — were domesticated, and Bactrian camels probably 500 years after that,” he said. “So we know people in Iran did it, and it spread into Mesopotamia. We have good evidence from Mesopotamia that there were domesticated camels then.”

Steinmann added that archaeological evidence of camels wouldn’t be widespread of only Abraham and some of his followers were using the animals. At the center of the new-found debate, he believes, is sweeping assumptions that are being made by researchers.

“He’s assuming that if camels are mentioned at all, the Bible must be wrong, rather than looking at the evidence and the distribution of where camels are mentioned, and then that reveals a lot more,” Steinmann continued.

Others have made different arguments, noting that it’s likely that the Bible’s writers added camels into the text — but that they did so due to the fact that the animals were a part of their own lives at the time. So they transposed their practices onto Abraham and others in the Old Testament.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/17/does-the-camel-study-really-prove-that-the-bible-is-inaccurate/

Again this is nothing more than an attack on the Bible, there is no SCIENCE here.


Title: Re: Camel study and the Bibles historical accuracy
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 17, 2014, 10:45:53 am
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for some reason this story keeps going, despite the fact that there is no real evidence for the claims, and no real science. Some guy made some claims while using no real science and that just disproves the whole Bible wrong.  Roll Eyes Here is my original post on this story, and then the on going story line.

That's b/c the unbelieving world never researches things for themselves, but will believe everything they hear, and what their itching ears want them to believe.