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Title: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on November 26, 2010, 12:45:02 am
I'm a Christian man who loves Jesus Christ and the Authorized King James Bible. I have been on anti-psychotic drugs for a long time, the doctors believe that i need them for life because they think that i have a mental illness which is not true. This all started when i told the doctors that i had seen spiritual things as a child, they did not understand me and slapped with a mental illness.
Please pray that:
a) I will not suffer side effects from the medication.
b) That i will somehow not have to take any form of medication.
c) God will have mercy and grace on me in regards to this.
I'm very positive that your prayers to God will help me as He knows the mess i'm in and He will help me at the right time.
Thankyou and may Jesus Bless You.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 26, 2010, 08:13:26 am
Mar 5:25  And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mar 5:26  And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
Mar 5:27  When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
Mar 5:28  For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
Mar 5:29  And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.


Christian, here is a good passage for you to medidate on - even scripture makes it clear that the big pharma/medical industry is very corrupt. This woman spent all that she had to heal herself with these doctors, but NOTHING bettered.

Rev 18:23  And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

As we all know, Rev 18 discusses Mystery Babylon. The Greek translation for sorceries is pharmakia...which is pretty much where the industry "big pharma" came out of. This has been LONG planned by the Illuminati for quite some time, to drug down our youth with big pharma medication, partly by coming up with all of these bogus mental illnesses. It was either in "Brave New World" or "1984" where the authors wrote how one of the end games to bring about this OWG is to drug down our society.

Mat 19:26  But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Psa 39:6  Surely every man walketh in a vain shew: surely they are disquieted in vain: he heapeth up riches, and knoweth not who shall gather them.

Psa 60:11  Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.

I'm not saying all doctors and psychiatrists are high level Illuminati that helping to bring about the NWO, and some may very well try to have good intentions, but ultimately, you just can NOT put any kind of trust in man. I myself used to be under alot of these anti-psychotherapy meds throughout the 90's, and believe me, I was vile, wretched, wicked, HORRIBLE...it was as if my present state of mind then was worse than when I got diagnosed. But thank to the graciousness of our Lord Jesus Christ, he gave my mom wisdom to use some really good vitamins. Please send me a pm, and I can recommend some. And through these vitamins, I got a decent state of mind where over the long haul, I repented, got into the Word of God, and then the 1611 KJV(after years of that NIV nonsense).

Also, another passage to medidate...

Isa 6:5  Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.


I'm not saying every single person in this world is horrible and we should condemn them, but pay attention especially to the bolded print. Not only Isaiah condemned and humbled himself, but he acknowledged too the environment he was surrounded in. It's no surprise why today's "medical profession" is diagnosing kids left and right with these mysterious illnesses.

Ultimately, our only trust has to be in the Lord, and noone else.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on November 26, 2010, 06:16:53 pm
Thanks for that. The medical industry is corrupt and anti-Christian alot of the time too. The psychiatrist doctor that i used to be under would blaspheme God each time i saw him. There must be some demonic baggage there. Dr Scott Johnson has teachings about sorcery and pharmakeia at http://www.cftresources.com and http://www.contendingfortruth.com


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 26, 2010, 08:55:53 pm
Thanks for that. The medical industry is corrupt and anti-Christian alot of the time too. The psychiatrist doctor that i used to be under would blaspheme God each time i saw him. There must be some demonic baggage there. Dr Scott Johnson has teachings about sorcery and pharmakeia at http://www.cftresources.com and http://www.contendingfortruth.com

My psychiatrist from many years ago didn't seem like a Christian, however, it wasn't like he was some guy trained in the NWO mystery babylonian schools either.

For the most part, these doctors have been brainwashed in their respective education institutions. Which is why, for the most part, I'm not going to be quick to judge them, but instead, pray for them that they see the light. FWIW, I was in the Accounting field when I went back to school, and this particular field as well did one heck of a job brainwashing students into believing that once they get their CPA, they will be making all kinds of money until the sky's the limit. Yes, having a CPA is a huge plus, but to say you will be some influential millionaire with this license, NOT true. Yes, you will have a nice job and have a good chance for promotions, but to say you will be making all kinds of money is really nothing more than a vain imagination that the bible condemns repeatedly. Yes, I've been very guilty too of drinking the kool-aid brainwashing when I was in school. Personally(just to throw this out there too), I've had trouble finding a consistent job in this field, much less one that pays alot of money.

Anyhow, didn't want to sidetrack this thread, but just wanted to point out that our public school systems et al have done quite a big of damage to our people in pretty much all areas, and it's not just the medical profession. It's as if they've bewitched everyone in every curriculum with all kinds of anti-Christian stuff.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: tracihello on November 30, 2010, 08:18:31 am
I agree with Born Again 2's prayers. Amen.

...and I will come back with more, if God is willing... and my hugs also go out to you, Christian40.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: seekingtheanswers on November 30, 2010, 05:27:56 pm
i will pray 4 u.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 11, 2010, 10:01:23 pm
Thought I would add another comment to this thread...

I read recently that up to 40% of doctors will be quitting due to the overbearance in Obamacare.

I'm not trying to say every single medical profession person is corrupt and evil, but you can't deny that the entire medical profession as a whole is just that. Anyhow, pt trying to make is that IMHO, God may have allowed Obamacare as one of his judgements on the medical profession. No, I'm not being dogmatic about it, nor am waving my pom-poms cheering on Obamacare. But from what I understand, it seems like doctors and people in the medical profession are getting hit harder than the average joe who's barely doing enough to make ends meet for his family.

Scripture said many times how God would revenge the enemies of the elect, and vengeance belongeth to him. I think we're witnessing this(as one example here).


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on May 12, 2011, 03:39:56 am
I thought that i would give an update after 5 months, it came to my heart to share again:

Since last time i have been put on more medications because of unpleasant side effects from the first one i was on. The new medications have helped control the side effects of the first medication but have there own effect on me too. It is like i'm in some sort of trap, there seems to be no way i can ever go of the medications because i have been on the first one so long but i know God and trust Him with patience. Maybe God allows the situation that i'm in to teach me things and He knows that i will go to Heaven one day. In the meantime i try to live for Jesus each day. I get opposition because of my beliefs but that means i'm on the right track. There are evil spiritual entities that hate my guts but i know i have the armour of God to protect myself and to go on the offensive! With your help (encouragement, Bible verses, and prayers) we can do great things for God!

Please pray that:
a) I will not suffer side effects from the medication.
b) That i will somehow not have to take any form of medication.
c) God will have mercy and grace on me in regards to this.

I'm very positive that your prayers to God will help me as He knows the situation i'm in and He will help me at the right time.
Thankyou and may Jesus Bless You.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 12, 2011, 10:49:12 am
C40,

I can recommend a couple of vitamins for you - my mom has been researching vitamins for me for quite some time now(I was on meds throughout the 1990's, until 2000 when the Lord convicted my mom's heart and lead her the way).

DGL(Natural Herb) - go to http://www.puritan.com

DMG - go to http://www.nowfoods.com

Lirorice Root(I take it very early in the morning - being mentally ill for quite some time, I have a lack of hormones or whatever it's called. This really helps me to start my day) - http://www.swansonvitamins.com

Personally, I take the DGL starting at 10am, and every 4 hours from there until 6pm. The DMG - anytime I go out of the house somewhere I take some.(to calm my nerves)

Also - Avoid, Avoid, AVOID the FAST FOOD joints, why? B/c they are FULL of MSG ingredients. They will only INTENSIFY the chemical imbalances in the brain. And for that matter, look at all the ingredients in the foods in the grocery stores for MSG ingredients.

There are other vitamins I can recommend, but give me some time and I will post them later(I have a final today at 4pm, and have to get ready for a trip this weekend). Please pm me a reminder and I will try to get them for you as early as Monday(when I get back).

Seriously though - I would just completely drop all the meds. Pray about it, and fast about it, but like said, they do more harm than good. BTW - did you know that Pope John Paul II had ties to chemical companies which had ties to pharmaceutical companies?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Kilika on May 12, 2011, 02:34:08 pm
I've had experiences with anti-depressants in the past and that made me really examine myself once I got back inthe Word after having backslidden for a time a few years ago. I just asked God to show me why it was that I seemed to have issues that caused people to think I needed medication. I needed to examine myself whether I was in the faith, which at those times I was not. Looking back, my life went downhill in the years after Hawaii the more I got caught up in the world when I moved back to the mainland to work for my uncle. I also learned during those days "a prophet is not without honor...", so I was being shown how things are with family. When I looked back in detail and honesty, I realized all that turmoil was because of me and my actions, my turning away from walking by faith and in the Spirit.

Foremost to me is faith. Jesus says that nothing entering the man defiles the man. And if I'm to believe that then I must also believe that there is nothing unclean of itself, right? If you esteem prescription drugs as unclean, to you it is unclean. We each have to decide what is clean for ourselves. That to me is the liberty that is in Christ. Thank you Jesus.

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJB)


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on May 13, 2011, 12:00:34 am
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Seriously though - I would just completely drop all the meds. Pray about it, and fast about it, but like said, they do more harm than good. BTW - did you know that Pope John Paul II had ties to chemical companies which had ties to pharmaceutical companies?

That's the thing, i would love to drop all the meds but i'm not allowed to, if i did not take them i will be taken back to a hospital until i was back on them again. The doctor says i must take them for life and that i'm legally bound to take them.

No i didn't know the Pope had any connections to pharmaceutical companies, that's interesting, i wonder why?

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I can recommend a couple of vitamins for you - my mom has been researching vitamins for me for quite some time now(I was on meds throughout the 1990's, until 2000 when the Lord convicted my mom's heart and lead her the way).

Thanks for the advice about vitamins, maybe it will help me.

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When I looked back in detail and honesty, I realized all that turmoil was because of me and my actions, my turning away from walking by faith and in the Spirit.

You could be right, you know i used to be addicted to video games and i wasn't living for the Lord so if this situation is some sort of punishment from God then i accept it.

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Foremost to me is faith. Jesus says that nothing entering the man defiles the man. And if I'm to believe that then I must also believe that there is nothing unclean of itself, right? If you esteem prescription drugs as unclean, to you it is unclean. We each have to decide what is clean for ourselves. That to me is the liberty that is in Christ. Thank you Jesus.

I hear what Jesus says, but what if someone took cannabis or some illegal drug, wouldn't that be unclean?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: nuclearnuttery on May 13, 2011, 12:34:49 am
I'm a Christian man who loves Jesus Christ and the Authorized King James Bible. I have been on anti-psychotic drugs for a long time, the doctors believe that i need them for life because they think that i have a mental illness which is not true. This all started when i told the doctors that i had seen spiritual things as a child, they did not understand me and slapped with a mental illness.
Please pray that:
a) I will not suffer side effects from the medication.
b) That i will somehow not have to take any form of medication.
c) God will have mercy and grace on me in regards to this.
I'm very positive that your prayers to God will help me as He knows the mess i'm in and He will help me at the right time.
Thankyou and may Jesus Bless You.

although they bestow a sense of false calm, these meds are suspected to kill your emotions for a while.
my husband was talked into paxil by an insane family once, after being on steroids for a terrible eye thing.
Ok and I saw a "schizo" girl being put on ****tail on tv recently for being bored to death with 150 IQ, the mind trying to save itself by hallucinating,

and they live in an apartment (LOL sad!!!!!!!) with two kids and have not thought of moving to a farm or something where the kids can be away from what bugs them and away from electrical feedback.

hypersensitive means something real but both good and evil impulses can take you.

jung and freud totally split on this one concept, of archetypes vs genes, and freud's greatest regret was never studying esp and spiritual powers rather than focusing on the genitals and such.

however both had much to offer about the spectrum of human experience; sadly, humans are stupid and follow only one leader sometimes.
the HS is supposed to help us rightly divide but people like me screw up constantly.
i invited trouble in many ways but had others put upon me.

life sucks but eternal life sounds great. i can't wait to be rid of my ill body, i really messed it up with soda pop, msg, not enough water, too many sweets, not enough vitamin and veggie, too much milk and iron, etc.

8(

try to avoid synthetic drugs, they can permanently harm.
i was on three meds and one killed my sex ability and the other two made me tired and I got poisoned, was vomiting, headaches, my family attacked me without meaning to etc. (screamfest over a weedwhacked window LOLOLOL followed by cousin yelling at me over a cheeto on my own floor)


there was a HUGE anti weed campaign on tv today sort of, they are trying to demonize every natural drug etc available in usa, trying to say it's so dangerous when the answer is to grow it under visible controlled conditions; you can make rope and clothing and bags and meal and oil and all kinds of wonderful things from hemp without ever smoking it once. ford made a hempmobile once heh. cheech and chong made fun of it.

anyway, drugs are all bad in excess, a few are always bad no matter what, and synthetics scare the heck out of me.
known mood killers are things like depo provera, nausea caused by birth control pills etc, but reactions vary.
there is no safe drug for blocking pituitary or thalamus function.
come to think of it, i had this shot 6 weeks after my son was born and he rejected my milk within three months.
his life was terrible because of that, i was told we couldn't afford formula and psyched out like any scared mom could have.
it's ****ty to think your baby isn't provided for when so many material things are lying around.
some people just can't accept change, and then that bitterness keeps the entire family from growing.
if those drugs change you forever and you were never ever declared dangerous, why on earth would anyone be pushing this on you now?

how terribly unfair, everyone should know that aurora disturbances cause mood problems and here lately the moon actually is bugging people. like a bad movie. heh.
anyway, electricity can be the devil too. eek!!!!!!!!!

DISCLAIMER: officially telling you to quit meds is illegal. therefore id declare the above my personal experience.
enough is enough and people have the right to know. there are so many drugs in the water table already that shrimp can't even breed, and that is a documented fact.
everyone is suffering from the smallest form of life up the chain.

also anything that can mess up pituitary function can mess up thyroid and skull plates.
premature skull plate fusion happens at about 6 mos of age, causes compression,
barry bonds was caught using steroids (cortisols?) because his hat size increased.

my son is huge for his age, fast as heck, but obsessive. he has a hard time learning lessons, had a lonely time of it kind of.
he got a lot of calories but not a ton of love, and that is the worst we can do   :(

in the dark places we are supposed to act better than what we see.
i am so sad that i wasn't a Christian in my heart.
it's hard to fall so often into habit and sin, to allow the transformation into a better person to start.
when two people argue all the time the others in the home are sad, have less time, are less thought of.
when people argue about kids, well, that is just shitty. we have.
but that is because one of us was pro life and the other's best idea was planned parenthood.
lesson learned hard way about being unevenly yoked and burdened.
i never got a full night's sleep again once my son was born.
it has been years since i rested normally and heaven is sounding nice sometimes.
warcraft was kind of an escape that escalated out of hand, as i was already having to get up all hours of the night and had been into the crud for years before becoming a parent.
i asked my husband actually if we should stop playing once i moved to him, but we agreed to play some more.

i think that crap totally makes us reptilian; more than ever this is the time of conscious effort.
i hate confusing and endangering, but people are so sick of being afraid.
why should anyone feel embarrassed to be in public?
when there is autism and other setbacks, like the baby only looking at a light and not at the parents despite being begged,
people are terribly harsh. even in checkout lines and coffee bars, they are staring and not willing to offer advice. just staring.

like life is tv.
:(

life is way to fast for tv...


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: nuclearnuttery on May 13, 2011, 12:58:18 am
ps this thing is filtering non curse words but oh well


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Kilika on May 13, 2011, 03:14:58 am
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I hear what Jesus says, but what if someone took cannabis or some illegal drug, wouldn't that be unclean?

"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean." Romans 14:14 (KJB)

Cannabis I definately don't consider unclean simply because God made it. "some illegal drug"? Who decides what's "illegal"? My personal guideline is if it's chemical, I avoid it. Anything naturally grown is quite different than something that man has manufactoured in a lab with test tubes. BUT, even chemicals can be clean to a person if that is what they decide for themselves. The key I believe is in what you decide about stuff you put in your body, not what others say.

I can say cannabis is bad (though I don't believe it is), and that may be for me, but I have no right to tell others it's bad for them too. That's for them to decide.

As I understand it, it's about receiving it with thanksgiving, and your faith that it is clean. If you consider it unclean, you best not partake of it.

"And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin." Romans 14:23 (KJB)

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That's the thing, i would love to drop all the meds but i'm not allowed to, if i did not take them i will be taken back to a hospital until i was back on them again. The doctor says i must take them for life and that i'm legally bound to take them.

For that ye ought to say if the Lord wills!

For life? Whatever. Legally bound? Now that sounds like a problem, but nothing God can't take care of.

From what you say, it sounds like they managed to get a court order to declare you under some kind of mentally unfit status. If that is the case, then look into what the process is for being declared mentally fit again. If you are over 18, then you are your own boss, unless they have released you under the care of somebody else? Details aren't really important, just so you know that you have options, and it starts with what they say are your rights as a patient. So do they do regular urinalysis to check to see if your taking the meds?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on May 13, 2011, 04:43:15 am
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From what you say, it sounds like they managed to get a court order to declare you under some kind of mentally unfit status. If that is the case, then look into what the process is for being declared mentally fit again. If you are over 18, then you are your own boss, unless they have released you under the care of somebody else? Details aren't really important, just so you know that you have options, and it starts with what they say are your rights as a patient. So do they do regular urinalysis to check to see if your taking the meds?

Yes i went through a "Court" it wasn't really a Court the Doctor just said his case and when it was my turn to speak the judge just laughed at me, the patients get no say, it is only what the Doctor believes that counted in my case but i noticed the same thing for others. I get asked once a month do i take my meds and i say yes. Plus there are other people here who will dob me in if they find out i'm not taking them. They will ask if i'm taking them too. So i cannot lie. I have thought about going to some medical court with a lawyer to back me up but i have not prayed about it as i dont know where that will take me. The thing is these meds change the brain so that i'm a different person to what i am when i dont take them. I did stop taking them for a short time and i ended back up in hospital only to get punished by having to take even more medication than before. So if i did go of the meds i would have to adjust to being a different person if you know what i mean because the drugs would get taken out of my system and my brain wont have the effect of them


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 03, 2011, 09:32:47 am
Hey Chris40, if anything, Avoid, AVOID foods with MSG, free amino acid glutamate, soybean, and aspartame in them. And that includes ALL foods from these fast-food restaurants ala McD's, BK, KFC, Chik-A-File, etc. I understand that it's easier said than done(as I myself have temptations to eat them). However, these foods are really putting a damper on the brain chemistry et al.

Here's a couple of links...

http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/342981-foods-that-autistics-should-avoid

Also, go to http://www.swansonvitamins.com --> If on those rare occassions you're out somewhere stuck in the middle of nowhere, and have to eat something, and let's say a Jack in the Box is the only thing available, then make sure you have BioCor(SWU363) with you, b/c this is good to counteract the MSG intake. No, I'm not trying to say you can eat how the Whoppers at BK all you want just as long as you take all the BioCor to counter-act them, but there are times where you may have no other choice(ie-on Sundays after church, we normally go out somewhere with others on my end. Or when we drive to Louisiana, our pit stop is at some fast-food restaurant most of the time).



Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on June 04, 2011, 01:46:21 am
Thanks for the research. I dont eat fast food anymore, though in the past i would eat it as much as i could. I just have no desire to go to those sort of food joints. I think that God has changed me. However i still have to be informed as to what i eat, and the food labels help, i dont want to eat things with too many ingredients as Dr Johnson said. And i avoid soybean products as they are using Genetically Modified soybeans these days, and no one should eat Genetically Modified Foods! The less ingredients in a food product the healthier it will be. That is only a general rule, the more information i have the better the choices i can make.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Kilika on June 04, 2011, 02:47:36 am
"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean." Romans 14:14 (KJB)


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: jackie on June 16, 2011, 06:11:06 pm
I worked in a Hospital setting for many years, 18 of them was on a locked inpatient psych floor. Any one who spoke of religion or showed a "preoccupation" for religious matters was labeled psychotic. Little did the Psychiatrists and other nurses know that I often prayed with my patients ( a big no no and reason to get fired) God always protected me, they would've put Jesus on psych meds if His first advent was here and now. 

I will keep you in prayer. The Lord will avenge your misfortune.  Just hold on to Him and never let go!  Blessings, Jackie

Thank you for your testimony, that took courage and trust. Good to know you felt trust here.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on June 17, 2011, 04:13:18 am
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I worked in a Hospital setting for many years, 18 of them was on a locked inpatient psych floor. Any one who spoke of religion or showed a "preoccupation" for religious matters was labeled psychotic. Little did the Psychiatrists and other nurses know that I often prayed with my patients ( a big no no and reason to get fired) God always protected me, they would've put Jesus on psych meds if His first advent was here and now.

I will keep you in prayer. The Lord will avenge your misfortune.  Just hold on to Him and never let go!  Blessings, Jackie

Thank you for your testimony, that took courage and trust. Good to know you felt trust here.

Thankyou for your care, what you typed is beautiful!  :)

Wow 18 years of praying for patients at the risk of losing your job!!

I'm sure that the patients would have loved you for that.

Yes any excuse for a medication these days seems to be a rule. The drug industry is all commercialized, they think of money instead of people.

Yeah i know those that have put me on these medications are going to get punished by God, and that includes letting them live on in there blindness so that they will never be saved by the Lord Jesus. However i will still bless my enemies.

Suffering here will be worth it as it means eternal rewards in Heaven!


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Believer on June 17, 2011, 07:31:49 am
Done, Christian40.  God is good, God is true and God is freedom.  May He give you freedom in this in the ways you have asked.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: jackie on June 18, 2011, 07:24:45 pm
yes, for anyone interested, you can be court ordered to take certain drugs, and they perform blood work to see if you have the "therapeutic " level they desire.  So tell me, where's your freedom there?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on June 19, 2011, 05:44:44 am
No Freedom Indeed


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on January 05, 2012, 02:39:56 am
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I'm a Christian man who loves Jesus Christ and the Authorized King James Bible. I have been on anti-psychotic drugs for a long time, the doctors believe that i need them for life because they think that i have a mental illness which is not true. This all started when i told the doctors that i had seen spiritual things as a child, they did not understand me and slapped with a mental illness.
Please pray that:
a) I will not suffer side effects from the medication.
b) That i will somehow not have to take any form of medication.
c) God will have mercy and grace on me in regards to this.
I'm very positive that your prayers to God will help me as He knows the mess i'm in and He will help me at the right time.
Thankyou and may Jesus Bless You.

Ok time for an update, thanks for your continuing prayers, i will have to go and see a psychiatrist again in the next week and it came to me that i should ask for prayer again. (i think everyone needs prayer at certain times and that asking for a prayer is a sign of humility).

As for a) above i sometimes dont feel any side effects and have good health but it is hard to know what one is or is it just normal. This medication makes one weary. :(

b) well as for this one last time the psychiatrist wanted to give me an increase in medication >:( and it was like this when i went to the hospital there were Christmas decorations everywhere and alot of people merry (in a Satanic sort of way) when i saw the doctor he said from the tests that i needed more medication, i said i was fine and that i didn't need it, anyway he wasn't too pleased with my answer. He said that the law said i had to take it. I said i didn't need it and then it was agreed that i wouldn't need any increase however this cunning person could well try it again next time. I still take 3 different medications, one is anti-psychotic and the other two are to counter the first one! ::) If i didn't have the other two i would be very unsettled.

c) Well i still do have many blessings and God is good to me and i thank Him. I can only trust and obey. Plus i believe that i will be Raptured, the new body that i receive will be drug free!

I know i'm in a Satanic trap, and that Satan has taken hold of my weaknesses. God will have to work supernaturally to get me out of this situation but at the right timing. I'm open to any advice. Please comment.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 05, 2012, 08:57:10 am
Mat 17:20  And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Mat 17:21  Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting
. [/u]

Gal 2:4  And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5  To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you
.

Gal 4:3  Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father
.

Gal 4:9  But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?



Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 05, 2012, 09:02:14 am
C40,

Please read this...

http://rt.com/news/us-prescription-drugs-abuse-715/

Pharmageddon: America's Bitter Pill

12/27/11

[VIDEO INSIDE LINK]

The United States has a passion for pills, being the world's biggest users of psychotropic drugs, consuming 60 per cent of them. And pharmaceutical firms are keen to keep cashing in on the multibillion-dollar market, even if it costs people's health.
 
America is regarded as a country with a prodigious appetite for consumption. Today, a widespread fondness for pharmaceuticals has turned the US into a nation of pill-poppers.

With over $14 billion in annual sales, antipsychotics remain the top-selling therapeutic class of prescription drugs in the US.

Dr. Harriet Fraad believes Big Pharma has manufactured a climate of insanity by manipulating and even creating illness for capital gain.

“One of the things that drives Big Pharma is to find a diagnosis that is very vague, so that everybody can fall into that,” she told RT. “Everybody is sad sometimes. There are good reasons. The point is to market pharmaceuticals. And the advertising strategy is to have vague diagnosis and then find wiggle room so that they apply to everyone.”

The US is the only Western country that allows direct-to-consumer advertising of prescription drugs. For example, an ad for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder warns that untreated patients will likely end up divorced. Another commercial promises to make you happier, but side-effects may include dry mouth, insomnia, sexual dysfunction, diarrhea, nausea and sleepiness.”

Critics also say Big Pharma uses its financial muscle to ply doctors with gifts, cash kick-backs and research funding in exchange for endorsing or prescribing the latest and most lucrative drugs.

Harriet Fraad says there is a whole network of doctors hustling these drugs.

“If a patient comes in with a knee injury and says, ‘I’m so sad.’ Oh, are you depressed? Hey write a prescription! They’re given out like M&Ms.”

Last year, prescription drug abuse became the number one cause of accidental death, with more than 30,000 Americans overdosing.

For instance, Seroquel, medication for bi-polar disorder, generated $4.4 billion in sales last year.Listing all its side-effects requires 49 seconds of air-time.

The number of children consuming antipsychotic medication has doubled in the past decade. Millions of American adolescents are taking drugs like Adderall, doled out by doctors to treat hyperactivity.

Author of Surviving America’s Depression Epidemic, psychologist Bruce Levine, told RT that, “All these drugs are very similar to illicit or illegal drugs, except they’re more dangerous. **** is a little safer. But kids have no choice.”

Pfizer, America’s most profitable multinational pharmaceutical company makes anti-depressants not only for people, but also for animals. In 2009, the pharmaceutical giant paid $2.3 billion to settle civil and criminal allegations over illegally marketing one of its drugs. It was the largest healthcare fraud settlement and criminal fine in US history.That being said, the fine amounted to less than three weeks of Pfizer’s drug sales.

“The money is so huge that the fines are immaterial. They’re not thinking about the social effects of what they’re doing. They’re thinking about the profits they accrue,” says psychotherapist Harriet Fraad.

The pharmaceutical industry remains the most profitable business in the US. More success and financial gain for the companies will always remain possible as long as more Americans are encouraged to take drugs.

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If the pharmaceutical industry were REALLY TRYING to help people, then WHY are they making BILLION$ at everyone's expense?

1Ti_6:10  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Mat_6:24  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Meek_n_Mild on January 05, 2012, 10:11:06 am
A Christian naturopath told me once, the best medicine (aside from the joy of the Lord) was a good diet,
perhaps even some vitamin shots (most white women desperately need more vitamin B and D, and A),
and getting outside in the fresh air enough that the "natural light" controls your day and not the computer or interior light.

Your story is heartbreaking -- many people who are on medications should not have been put on them,
and some who are not taking anything, ought to be helping themselves somehow.

My next door neighbor had some stress issues that were not her fault, and she ended up being prescribed the old drug Paxil.
Well, my husband was conned into taking Paxil once, for "depression".
Paxil has been linked with Fragile X and defective sperm, and our first child has severe developmental delays.
I didn't knowingly take medications until after the child was born, but even that didn't prevent his genes from being damaged.
There is a total war being waged right now against the saints, against the independent, even against hedge witches, believe it or not.
Anyone who stands up to the "unnatural" NWO is labeled insane.

The truth is, there is a lot of these drugs in our water supply (from going potty).
We are starting to receive the curse of wormwood -- or at least something similar, as when we drink this bad recycled water,
our ability to have children may eventually cease!

God created the cycles of filtration and evaporation for a reason, and of course, the rain! To purify our water.
But we have removed ourselves from the safety of nature and grace, when we live in "Babylon" (westernized/fleshly cities).

I am starting to sound fairly nuts myself, so this post needs to shorten up -- but please understand me when I say,
you have done nothing wrong.

Vitamins first, then read up on WHICH PILLS ARE "SAFE". Get a lawyer for your protection and consider getting an injury lawyer or a drug suit atty,
to sue the you-know-what out of the drug companies which have made you miserable.

I think it would set a great example for others in bondage, for you to win a huge lawsuit and be rewarded with freedom AND money.
It may do wonders for your self esteem to accomplish this; even your family would have to bite their tongues.

May God help you through these dark times and make you a light to others. I am so sorry that you are suffering.

P.S. Ron Paul appears to oppose big pharma and forced med


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: tennis shoe on January 05, 2012, 02:17:15 pm
I know i'm in a Satanic trap, and that Satan has taken hold of my weaknesses. God will have to work supernaturally to get me out of this situation but at the right timing. I'm open to any advice. Please comment.

Doing the “two step”

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. –James 4:7

I have done this in the past to escape strongholds that the enemy has put in my life. It’s important that it be done in the proper order…submit, then resist.

The usual problem that I encounter is that I don’t actually want to submit anything as part of my fallen nature. It’s a control issue and a trust issue. But when I realize that “the heart is deceitful above all things” then my feelings, my desires, my thoughts become unreliable to my own well being.

Thus, I find that, for spiritual purposes, submitting areas of my life via prayer are best done out loud, preferably in the presence of a witness for spiritual accountability. With such prayer, I override that which is unreliable and speak in agreement with what God wants for me anyways. I also renounce, repent, and ask for forgiveness for my agreements with that which comes from the temporary god of this world.

Here’s the astonishing thing that He’s done with me though. After doing the “two step” successfully, he removes control of that area of my life from the world and hands control of that area back to me, as He intended it to be.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: seekingtheanswers on January 05, 2012, 03:30:00 pm
from all your posts and comments you don't seem like a person who is in need of psychotic meds or is in need of them. your posts are coherent and you seem more spiritual than i. if u see spiritual beings it could be a generation curse that has allowed you to see them. i feel like i am in a satanic trap too. its like we have no choice but to do what the 'man' says or we'll be jailed or something. i'll pray for you but like i said you seem like you have a good grasp of the gospel. u are a great encouragement here and bring alot to the table. you are brave in your daily work with your bus and selling t-shirts to spread the word. thats to be commended. do i see a man with psychological problems? no way. though i don't know u personally, i can only go by what i've seen here in the forum. ur right, we can only look forward to being raptured, this world is so evil. i'll pray for you.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on January 06, 2012, 03:21:53 am
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If the pharmaceutical industry were REALLY TRYING to help people, then WHY are they making BILLION$ at everyone's expense?

1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Hey that is a great point. Just shows how upside down this world is. And people accept the upside down world as being normal ::)

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Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. – James 4:7

I believe that i have submitted to God and the devil has fled from me at times, but it's not the devil that is the real problem it is the people that are controlled by him.

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you are brave in your daily work with your bus and selling t-shirts to spread the word. thats to be commended. do i see a man with psychological problems? no way.

Well thanks for the credit but its not me who owns the bus advertising Jesus, it is another fellow who i have never met yet i posted an article about him because i thought he was pretty brave too ;D man, i would love to drive a huge yellow bus with KJV Bible Verses all over it but i have not been able to get one yet. How about we all buy one and do it you know. ;) Well if you dont have a bus, there are trucks, cars, boats, planes, even your house can be covered in Bible verses and Lord Jesus loves you messages. If i did that the psychiatrist might think i'm nuts but who cares? i think God would be pleased with someone who is so open about their faith.

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May God help you through these dark times and make you a light to others. I am so sorry that you are suffering.

Yes but one day i will see the Lord Jesus and it will be all worth it.

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P.S. Ron Paul appears to oppose big pharma and forced med

Well at least he is rational but i dont think he can help me.

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though i don't know u personally, i can only go by what i've seen here in the forum. ur right, we can only look forward to being raptured, this world is so evil. i'll pray for you.

Well that is the best encouragement that i have that i'm being prayed for. I'm sure God knows what He is doing, i think that things could be better, but would they really be better?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Kilika on January 06, 2012, 05:19:24 am
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Well thanks for the credit but its not me who owns the bus advertising Jesus, it is another fellow who i have never met yet i posted an article about him because i thought he was pretty brave too  man, i would love to drive a huge yellow bus with KJV Bible Verses all over it but i have not been able to get one yet. How about we all buy one and do it you know.  Well if you dont have a bus, there are trucks, cars, boats, planes, even your house can be covered in Bible verses and Lord Jesus loves you messages. If i did that the psychiatrist might think i'm nuts but who cares? i think God would be pleased with someone who is so open about their faith.

When I first read the reply, I trhought to myself, "Christian40 is the one running around in that school bus? So who is the woman who was posting all kinds of stuff about taxes, etc about that person?"  ;D

Glad it isn't you!

That said, it actually isn't a bad idea really. The only down side is that one must maintain registration and a driver's license and insurance. But I've looked into converting school buses to campers before. There are TONS of used buses retired from service every year. Go online and take a look. One place in Texas has a massive lot full of them, and that is just one place. There are lots full of those things all over the country. And those things aren't gentle on fuel either, even if you get a diesel "pusher", but you can get a used bus fairly cheap.

Oh, and you need psych drugs? Nah, we are all just a little nutty at times, so what? You got Jesus, so you'll be just fine. ;)


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: tennis shoe on January 08, 2012, 11:40:21 am
I believe that i have submitted to God and the devil has fled from me at times, but it's not the devil that is the real problem it is the people that are controlled by him.

Lk 6:27-28  But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

The devil/world keeps people obedient through deception, coercion, and threat of trauma or loss. In contrast, God’s people freely choose to be obedient to Him. When a human is firmly in the enemy’s camp, or sphere of control, one of the first things taken away from him/her is the ability to communicate directly with the real God since the camp is a weapons-free zone. They are convinced that they don’t have a choice. The two-step is to nullify any past contractual agreements that you personally may have had with the enemy that grants him direct access to your life.

However, through his human followers, he now has indirect access to you by arguing in a spiritual courtroom that humans have freewill to do as they please. This argument backfires when you do the above on their behalf. To make a truly informed choice, one has to be presented with all the facts minus the spin, slander, misconception, and lies about the character of God. Your intercession can help deceived people to realize that there is a liberator standing just outside the cell door with a life to offer them that goes far beyond what they could ever have conceived of.

It worked on me. Years ago, when God really started to move in my life, to make Himself known to me, I found out that someone who I worked with had been praying for me for a long time. I would have uncontrolled comments fly out of my mouth to visibly sting this guy followed by thoughts of why I just said that. Yet, he secretly prayed for me anyway while patiently enduring my hateful outbursts. I would say that he definitely saw something that I didn’t at the time.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on January 12, 2012, 03:09:23 am
Thanks for sharing that.

So i saw this psychiatrist and nothing has changed. Well at least he didn't push for more medication so i have to be thankful for that. I would like to take none but it is forced on me. Well i just have to be patient and God will release me at the right timing. I mean Joseph was in prison for a long time, Moses spent forty years in the land of Midian. Adam lived to 930. And if i get Raptured soon then i get a new body ;D
That will defeat them :D Those that force these drugs on me are the ones that are probably going to end up taking the mark of the beast as their punishment. Not that i hate these people just that they dont want to know the truth and truly blinded doing the devil's works.

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we are all just a little nutty at times, so what? You got Jesus, so you'll be just fine.

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Lk 6:27-28  But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Amen.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 12, 2012, 01:01:25 pm
Christian40, what I'm about to post here is NOT from a Christian source, HOWEVER, Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz is NOT your typical "run medication down your throat" type of guy.

No, I don't agree with everything he says(ie-he seems to buy into the "chemical imbalance" deception, as well as other Carl Jung philosophies). HOWEVER, again, I was introduced to his "Brain Lock" 10 years ago, and it is very, very good, and VERY UN-typical of the entire medical profession.

1) His view on pharmaceutical drugs is that they are MERELY "water wings"(ie-when children first learn to swim, they wear just these to start out with), or for that matter training wills when a kid first learns how to ride a bike. So as this 4 step method he introduces progresses, and these people progress, then they will lower the medication levels all the way down to zero when all is said and done.

Now this is the COMPLETE contrary to the rest of the psychiatry profession where they want to put you on it, act like it's merely a "cast" for a broken bone, but ultimately will either keep you on it while sweet-talking you, or change around to other "flavor of the month" meds.

2) Again, Schwartz isn't a Christian, and he doesn't exactly lead you to the Lord Jesus Christ. HOWEVER, this therapy method he uses in his "Brain Lock" book is EXCELLENT, and I would recommend it to ANYONE(you'll see what I mean when you read this link I'm about to post). I'll just say this much about it - it keeps you ACTIVE, while the typical psychiatry therapy will keep you PASSIVE.

I will post this link(and another) below...


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 12, 2012, 01:09:43 pm
Four Steps
Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz's Four Steps

If you have obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors, you will be relieved to learn of significant advances in the treatment of this condition. Over the past twenty years, behavior therapy has been shown to be extremely effective in treating obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).

The concept of self-treatment as part of a behavioral therapy approach is a major advance. In this manual, I will teach you how to become your own behavioral therapist. By learning some basic facts about OCD, and recognizing that it is a medical condition that responds to treatment, you will be able to overcome the urges to do compulsive behaviors and will master new ways to cope with bothersome, obsessive thoughts.

At UCLA, we call this approach "cognitive-biobehavioral self-treatment." The word cognitive is from the Latin word "to know"; knowledge plays an important role in this approach to teaching basic behavior therapy techniques. Research has shown that exposure and response prevention are very effective behavior therapy techniques for treating OCD. In traditional exposure and response prevention, people with OCD learn--under the continuing guidance of a professional therapist--to expose themselves to stimuli that intensify their obsessive thoughts and compulsive urges and then learn how to resist responding to those thoughts and urges in a compulsive manner. For example, people who obsess irrationally about contamination from dirt may be instructed to hold something dirty in their hands and then not wash for at least three hours. We've made some modifications in this method to allow you to do it on your own.

The technique is called response prevention because you learn to prevent your habitual compulsive responses and to replace them with new, more constructive behaviors. We call our method "biobehavioral" because we use new knowledge about the biological basis of OCD to help you control your anxious responses and to increase your ability to resist the bothersome symptoms of OCD. Our treatment differs from classic exposure and response prevention in one important way: We have developed a four-step method that enhances your ability to do exposure and response prevention on your own without a therapist being present.

The basic principle is that by understanding what these thoughts and urges really are, you can learn to manage the fear and anxiety that OCD causes. Managing your fear, in turn, will allow you to control your behavioral responses much more effectively. You will use biological knowledge and cognitive awareness to help you perform exposure and response prevention on your own. This strategy has four basic steps:

Step 1: Relabel
Step 2: Reattribute
Step 3: Refocus
Step 4: Revalue


The goal is to perform these steps daily. (The first three steps are especially important at the beginning of treatment.) Self-treatment is an essential part of this technique for learning to manage your responses to OCD on a day-to-day basis. Let's begin by learning the Four Steps.

Step 1: Relabel
The critical first step is to learn to recognize obsessive thoughts and compulsive urges. You don't want to do this in a merely superficial way; rather, you must work to gain a deep understanding that the feeling that is so bothersome at the moment is an obsessive feeling or a compulsive urge. To do so, it is important to increase your mindful awareness that these intrusive thoughts and urges are symptoms of a medical disorder.

Whereas simple, everyday awareness is almost automatic and usually quite superficial, mindful awareness is deeper and more precise and is achieved only through focused effort. It requires the conscious recognition and mental registration of the obsessive or compulsive symptom. You should literally make mental notes, such as, 'This thought is an obsession; this urge is a compulsive urge." You must make the effort to manage the intense biologically mediated thoughts and urges that intrude so insistently into consciousness. This means expending the necessary effort to maintain your awareness of what we call the Impartial Spectator, the observing power within us that gives each person the capacity to recognize what's real and what's just a symptom and to fend off the pathological urge until it begins to fade and recede.

The goal of Step 1 is to learn to Relabel intrusive thoughts and urges in your own mind as obsessions and compulsions~and to do so assertively. Start calling them that; use the labels obsession and compulsion. For example, train yourself to say, "I don't think or feel that my hands are dirty. I'm having an obsession that my hands are dirty." Or, "I don't feel that I have the need to wash my hands. I'm having a compulsive urge to perform the compulsion of washing my hands." (The technique is the same for other obsessions and compulsions, including compulsive checking of doors or appliances and needless counting.) You must learn to recognize the intrusive, obsessive thoughts and urges as OCD.

In the Relabeling step, the basic idea is: Call an obsessive thought or compulsive urge what it really is. Assertively Relabel it so you can begin to understand that the feeling is just a false alarm, with little or no basis in reality. As the result of much scientific research we now know that these urges are caused by biological imbalances in the brain. By calling them what they really are--obsessions and compulsions--you begin to understand that they do not really mean what they say. They are simply false messages coming from the brain.

It is important to remember that just Relabeling these thoughts and urges won't make them go away. In fact, the worst thing you can do is to try to make them vanish. It won't work because the thoughts and urges have a biological cause that is beyond your control. What you can control is your behavioral response to those urges. By Relabeling, you begin to understand that no matter how real they feel, what they are saying is not real. The goal: to learn to resist them.

Recent scientific research on OCD has found that by learning to resist obsessions and compulsions through behavior therapy, you can actually change the biochemistry that is causing the OCD symptoms. But keep in mind that the process of changing the underlying biological problem, and by doing so changing the urge itself, may take weeks or even months. It requires patience and persistent effort. Trying to make these thoughts and urges go away in seconds or minutes will cause only frustration, demoralization, and stress. It will, in fact, tend to make the urges worse. Probably the most important thing to learn in this behavioral treatment is that your responses to the thoughts and urges are within your control, no matter how strong and bothersome they may be. The goal is to control your responses to the thoughts and urges, not to control the thoughts and urges themselves.

The next two steps are designed to help you learn new ways to control your behavioral responses to OCD symptoms.

Step 2: Reattribute
The key to our self-directed behavioral therapy approach to treating OCD can be summed up in one sentence: "It's not me--it's my OCD." That is our battle cry. It is a reminder that OCD thoughts and urges are not meaningful, that they are false messages from the brain. Self-directed behavior therapy lets you gain a deeper understanding of this truth.

You are working toward a deep understanding of why the urge to check that lock or why the thought that "my hands are dirty" can be so powerful and overwhelming. If you know the thought makes no sense, why do you respond to it? Understanding why the thought is so strong and why it won't go away is the key to increasing your willpower and enabling you to fight off the urge to wash or check.

The goal is to learn to Reattribute the intensity of the thought or urge to its real cause, to recognize that the feeling and the discomfort are due to a biochemical imbalance in the brain. It is OCD--a medical condition. Acknowledging it as such is the first step toward developing a deeper understanding that these symptoms are not what they seem to be. You learn not to take them at face value.

 Deep inside the brain lies a structure called the caudate nucleus. Scientists worldwide have studied this structure and believe that, in people with OCD, the caudate nucleus may be malfunctioning. Think of the caudate nucleus as a processing center or filtering station for the very complicated messages generated by the front part of the brain, which is probably the part used in thinking, planning, and understanding. Together with its sister structure, the putamen, which lies next to it, the caudate nucleus functions like an automatic transmission in a car. The caudate nucleus and the putamen, which together are called the striatum, take in messages from very complicated parts of the brain--those that control body movement, physical feelings, and the thinking and planning that involve those movements and feelings. They function in unison like an automatic transmission, assuring the smooth transition from one behavior to another. Typically, when anyone decides to make a movement, intruding movements and misdirected feelings are filtered out automatically so that the desired movement can be performed rapidly and efficiently. There is a quick, smooth shifting of gears.

During a normal day, we make many rapid shifts of behavior, smoothly and easily and usually without thinking about them. It is the functioning of the caudate nucleus and the putamen that makes this possible. In OCD, the problem seems to be that the smooth, efficient filtering and the shifting of thoughts and behavior are disrupted by a glitch in the caudate nucleus.

As a result of this malfunction, the front of the brain becomes overactive and uses excessive energy. It's like having your car stuck in a ditch. You spin and spin and spin your wheels, but without traction you can't get out of that ditch. With OCD, too much energy is being used in a frontal part of the brain called the orbital cortex. It's as if the orbital cortex, which has an error-detection circuit, becomes stuck in gear. This is probably why OCD causes people to get a "something is wrong" feeling that won't go away. You have to do the work to get it out of gear--to shift the gears. You have a manual, rather than an automatic, transmission. In fact, the person with OCD has a sticky manual transmission; he or she must shift the gears. This takes great effort because the brain tends to get "stuck in gear." But, whereas an automobile transmission is made of metal and can't fix itself people with OCD can teach themselves how to shift gears through self-directed behavior therapy. In doing so, they can actually fix this broken gearshift in the brain. We now know that you can change your own brain biochemistry.

The key to the Reattribute step is to realize that the awful intrusiveness and ferocious intensity of OCD thoughts are due to a medical condition. Underlying problems in brain biochemistry are causing these thoughts and urges to be so intrusive. That is why they won't go away. By doing this Four-Step Method of self-directed behavior therapy, you can change the brain's biochemistry. This takes weeks or even months of hard work. In the meantime, understanding the role the brain plays in OCD thoughts and urges will help you to avoid one of the most demoralizing and destructive things people with OCD almost invariably do: the frustrating attempt to "get rid of" the thoughts and urges. There is nothing you can do to make them go away immediately. But remember: You don't have to act on them. Don't take them at face value. Don't listen to them. You know what they are. They are false messages from the brain that are due to a medical condition called OCD. Use this knowledge to avoid acting on them. The most effective thing you can do something that will help you change your brain for the better in the long run--is to learn to put these thoughts and feelings aside and go on to the next behavior. This is what we mean by shifting gears: Do another behavior. Trying to make them go away will only pile stress on stress--and stress just makes OCD thoughts and urges worse.

Using the Reattribute step will also help you to avoid performing rituals in a vain attempt to "get the right feeling" (for example, a sense of "evenness" or a sense of completion). Knowing that the urge to get that "right feeling" is caused by a biochemical imbalance in the brain, you can learn to ignore the urge and move on. Remember, "It's not me--it's my OCD." By refusing to listen to the urge or to act on it, you will actually change your brain and make the feeling lessen. If you take the urge at face value and act on it, you may get momentary relief but within a very short time the urge will just get more intense. This is perhaps the most important lesson that people with OCD must learn. It will help you avoid being the "sucker" and taking the false bait of OCD every time.

The Relabel and Reattribute steps are usually performed together to bring about a deeper understanding of what is really happening when an OCD thought or urge causes you such intense pain. You Relabel it, call it what it is--an obsession or a compulsion. Use mindful awareness to get beyond a superficial understanding of OCD and to gain the more profound understanding that the thoughts and urges are nothing more than fallout from a medical condition.

Step 3: Refocus
The Refocus step is where the real work is done. In the beginning, you may think of it as the "no pain, no gain" step. Mental exercise is like a physical workout. In Refocusing, you have work to do: You must shift the gears yourself. With effort and focused mindfulness, you are going to do what the caudate nucleus normally does easily and automatically, which is to let you know when to switch to another behavior. Think of a surgeon scrubbing his hands before surgery: The surgeon doesn't need to wait for a timer to go off to know when it's time to stop scrubbing. After a while, the behavior is simply automatic. After a while he gets a "feel" for when he's scrubbed enough. But people with OCD can't get the feeling that something is done once it's done. The automatic pilot is broken. Fortunately, doing the Four Steps can usually fix it.

In Refocusing, the idea is to work around the OCD thoughts and urges by shifting attention to something else, if only for a few minutes. Early on, you may choose some specific behavior to replace compulsive washing or checking. Any constructive, pleasant behavior will do. Hobbies are particularly good. For example, you may decide to take a walk, exercise, listen to music, read, play a computer game, knit, or shoot a basketball.

When the thought comes, you first Relabel it as an obsessive thought or a compulsive urge and then Reattribute it to the fact that you have OCD--a medical problem. Then Refocus your attention to this other behavior that you have chosen. Start the process of Refocusing by refusing to take the obsessive-compulsive symptoms at face value. Say to yourself, "I'm experiencing a symptom of OCD. I need to do another behavior."

You must train yourself in a new method of responding to the thoughts and urges, redirecting your attention to something other than the OCD symptoms. The goal of treatment is to stop responding to the OCD symptoms while acknowledging that, for the short term, these uncomfortable feelings will continue to bother you. You begin to "work around" them by doing another behavior. You learn that even though the OCD feeling is there, it doesn't have to control what you do. You make the decision about what you're going to do, rather than respond to OCD thoughts and urges as a robot would. By Refocusing, you reclaim your decision-making power. Those biochemical glitches in your brain are no longer running the show.

The Fifteen-Minute Rule
Refocusing isn't easy. It would be dishonest to say that dismissing the thoughts and urges and moving on does not take significant effort and even tolerance of some pain. But only by learning to resist OCD symptoms can you change the brain and, in time, decrease the pain. To help you manage this task, we have developed the fifteen-minute rule. The idea is to delay your response to an obsessive thought or to your urge to perform a compulsive behavior by letting some time elapse--preferably at least fifteen minutes--before you even consider acting on the urge or thought. In the beginning or whenever the urges are very intense, you may need to set a shorter waiting time, say five minutes, as your goal. But the principle is always the same: Never perform the compulsion without some time delay. Remember, this is not a passive waiting period. It is a time to perform actively the Relabeling, Reattributing, and Refocusing steps. You should have mindful awareness that you are Relabeling those uncomfortable feelings as OCD and Reattributing them to a biochemical imbalance in the brain. These feelings are caused by OCD; they are not what they seem to be. They are faulty messages coming from the brain.

Then you must do another behavior~any pleasant, constructive behavior will do. After the set period has lapsed, reassess the urge. Ask yourself if there's been any change in intensity and make note of any change. Even the smallest decrease may give you the courage to wait longer. You will be learning that the longer you wait, the more the urge will change. The goal will always be fifteen minutes or more. As you keep practicing, the same amount of effort will result in a greater decrease in intensity. So, in general, the more you practice the fifteen-minute rule, the easier it gets. Before long, you may make it twenty minutes or thirty minutes or more.

It's What You Do That Counts
It is vitally important to Refocus attention away from the urge or thought and onto any other reasonable task or activity. Don't wait for the thought or feeling to go away. Don't expect it to go away right away. And, by all means, don't do what your OCD is telling you to do. Rather, engage in any constructive activity of your choosing. You'll see that instigating a time delay between the onset of the urge and even considering acting on it will make the urge fade and change. What is more important, even if the urge changes hardly at all, as sometimes happens, you learn that you can have some control over your response to this faulty message from the brain.

This application of mindful awareness and the Impartial Spectator will be empowering to you, especially after years of feeling at the mercy of a bizarre and seemingly inexplicable force. The long-range goal of the Refocus step is, of course, never again to perform a compulsive behavior in response to an OCD thought or urge. But the intermediate goal is to impose a time delay before performing any compulsion. You're learning not to allow OCD feelings to determine what you do.

Sometimes the urge will be too strong, and you will perform the compulsion. This is not an invitation to beat yourself up. Keep in mind: As you do the Four Steps and your behavior changes, your thoughts and feelings will also change. If you give in and perform a compulsion after a time delay and an attempt to Refocus, make a special effort to continue to Relabel the behavior and to acknowledge that this time the OCD overwhelmed you. Remind yourself "I'm not washing my hands because they are dirty, but because of my OCD. The OCD won this round, but next time I'll wait longer." In this way, even performing a compulsive behavior can contain an element of behavior therapy. This is very important to realize: Relabeling a compulsive behavior as a compulsive behavior is a form of behavior therapy and is much better than doing a compulsion without making a clear mental note about what it is.

A tip for those who are fighting checking behaviors--checking locks, stoves, and other appliances: If your problem is, say, checking the door lock, try to lock the door with extra attention and mindful awareness the first time. This way, you'll have a good mental picture to refer to when the compulsive urge arises. Anticipating that the urge to check is going to arise in you, you should lock the door the first time in a slow and deliberate manner, making mental notes, such as "The door is now locked. I can see that the door is locked." You want a clear mental image of that locked door; so when the urge to check the door seizes you, you will be able to Relabel it immediately and say, "That's an obsessive idea. It is OCD." You will Reattribute the intensity and intrusiveness of the urge to check again to your OCD. You will remember, "It's not me--it's just my brain."

You will Refocus and begin to "work around" the OCD urges by doing another behavior, with a ready mental picture of having locked that door because you did it so carefully and attentively the first time. You can use that knowledge to help you Refocus actively on doing another behavior, even as you Relabel and Reattribute the urge to check that has arisen, as you anticipated it would.

Keeping a Journal <<- Now THIS I do NOT agree with, b/c keeping a journal is doing nothing more than making us to BOAST about our OWN works. Remember Paul repeatedly said to glory in the LORD, AND NOT in the flesh(whether our's or others).
It is important to keep a behavior-therapy journal as a record of your successful Refocusing efforts. It need not be anything fancy. The idea is simply to have a written record to remind you of your successes in self-directed behavior therapy. The journal is important because you can refer back to it to see which behaviors most helped you to Refocus. But--and this is equally important--it helps you to build confidence as you see your list of achievements grow. In the heat of battle against a compulsive urge, it isn't always easy to remember which behavior to Refocus on. Keeping a journal will help you to shift gears when the going gets tough, when the obsessive thought or compulsive urge heats up, and will train your mind to remember what has worked in the past. As your list of successes gets longer, it will be inspirational.

Record only your successes. There is no need to record your failures. You have to learn to give yourself a pat on the back. This is something people with OCD need to learn to do more of. Make sure to give yourself encouragement by consciously acknowledging your successful use of Refocusing behaviors as a job well done. Reinforce that success by recording it in your behavior-therapy journal and giving yourself a little reward, even if it's only to tell yourself how terrific you are for working so hard to help yourself.

Step 4: Revalue
The goal of the first three steps is to use your knowledge of OCD as a medical condition caused by a biochemical imbalance in the brain to help you clarify that this feeling is not what it appears to be and to refuse to take the thoughts and urges at face value, to avoid performing compulsive rituals, and to Refocus on constructive behaviors. You can think of the Relabel and Reattribute steps as a team effort, working together with the Refocusing step. The combined effect of these three steps is much greater than the sum of their individual parts. The process of Relabeling and Reattributing intensifies the learning that takes place during the hard work of Refocusing. As a result, you begin to Revalue those thoughts and urges that, before behavior therapy, would invariably lead you to perform compulsive behaviors. After adequate training in the first three steps, you are able in time to place a much lower value on the OCD thoughts and urges.

We have used the concept of the "Impartial Spectator," developed by 18th-century philosopher Adam Smith, to help you understand more clearly what you are actually achieving while performing the Four Steps of cognitive biobehavioral therapy. Smith described the Impartial Spectator as being like a person inside us who we carry around at all times, a person aware of all our feelings, states, and circumstances. Once we make the effort to strengthen the Impartial Spectator's perspective, we can call up our own Impartial Spectator at any time and literally watch ourselves in action. In otherwords, we can witness our own actions and feelings as someone not involved would, as a disinterested observer. As Smith described it, "We suppose ourselves the spectators of our own behavior." He understood that keeping the perspective of the Impartial Spectator clearly in mind, which is essentially the same as using mindful awareness, is hard work, especially under painful circumstances, and requires the "utmost and most fatiguing exertions.". The hard work of which he wrote seems closely related to the intense efforts you must make in performing the Four Steps.

People with OCD must work hard to manage the biologically induced urges that intrude into conscious awareness. You must strive to maintain awareness of the Impartial Spectator, the observing power within that gives you the capacity to fend off pathological urges until they begin to fade. You must use your knowledge that OCD symptoms are just meaningless signals, false messages from the brain, so you can Refocus and shift gears. You must gather your mental resources, always keeping in mind, "It's not me--it's my OCD. It's not me--it's just my brain." Although in the short run, you can't change your feelings, you can change your behavior. By changing your behavior, you find that your feelings also change in time. The tug-of-war comes down to this: Who's in charge here, you or OCD? Even when the OCD overwhelms you, and you give in and perform the compulsion, you must realize that it's just OCD and vow to fight harder the next time.

With compulsive behaviors, simply observing the fifteen-minute rule with consistency and Refocusing on another behavior will usually cause the Revalue step to kick in, which means realizing that the feeling is not worth paying attention to and not taking it at face value, remembering that it's OCD and that it is caused by a medical problem. The result is that you place a much lower value on--devalue--the OCD feeling. For obsessive thoughts, you must try to enhance this process by Revaluing in an even more active way. Two substeps--the two A's--aid you in Step 2: Reattribute: Anticipate and Accept. When you use these two A's, you are doing Active Revaluing. Anticipate means "be prepared," know the feeling is coming, so be ready for it; don't be taken by surprise. Accept means don't waste energy beating yourself up because you have these bad feelings. You know what's causing them and that you have to work around them. Whatever the content of your obsession--whether it is violent or sexual or is manifested in one of dozens of other ways--you know that it can occur hundreds of times a day. You want to stop reacting each time as though it were a new thought, something unexpected. Refuse to let it shock you; refuse to let it get you down on yourself. By anticipating your particular obsessive thought, you can recognize it the instant it occurs and Relabel it immediately. You will simultaneously, and actively, Revalue it. When the obsession occurs, you will be prepared. You will know, "That's just my stupid obsession. It has no meaning. That's just my brain. There's no need to pay attention to it." Remember: You can't make the thought go away, but neither do you need to pay attention to it. You can learn to go on to the next behavior. There is no need to dwell on the thought. Move ahead. This is where the second A--Accept--comes in. Think of the screaming car alarm that disturbs and distracts you. Don't dwell on it. Don't say, "I can't do another thing until that blankety-blank car alarm shuts off." Simply try to ignore it and get on with things.

You learned in Step 2 that the bothersome obsessive thought is caused by OCD and is related to a biochemical imbalance in the brain. In the Acceptance substep of Reattributing, you realize that truth in a very deep, perhaps even spiritual, way. Do not get down on yourself. it makes no sense to criticize your inner motives just because of an imbalance in the brain. By accepting that the obsessive thought is there despite you, not because of you, you can decrease the terrible stress that repetitive obsessive thoughts usually cause. Always keep in mind, "It's not me--it's the OCD. It's not me--it's just my brain." Don't beat yourself up trying to make the thought go away because in the short run, it will not. Most important, don't ruminate and don't fantasize about the consequences of acting out a terrible obsessive thought. You won't act it out because you don't really want to. Let go of all the negative, demeaning judgments about "the kinds of people who get thoughts like this." For obsessions, the fifteen-minute rule can be shortened to a one minute rule, even a fifteen-second rule. There is no need to dwell on that thought, even though it lingers in your mind. You can still go on--indeed, you must go on--to the next thought and the next behavior. In this way, Refocusing is like a martial art. An obsessive thought or compulsive urge is very strong, but also quite stupid. If you stand right in front of it and take the full brunt of its power, trying to drive it from your mind, it will defeat you every time. You have to step aside, work around it, and go on to the next behavior. You are learning to keep your wits about you in the face of a powerful opponent. The lesson here goes far beyond overcoming OCD By taking charge of your actions, you take charge of your mind--and of your life.

Conclusion
We who have OCD must learn to train our minds not to take intruding feelings at face value. We have to learn that these feelings mislead us. In a gradual but tempered way, we're going to change our responses to the feelings and resist them. We have a new view of the truth. In this way, we gain new insights into the truth. We learn that even persistent, intrusive feelings are transient and impermanent and will recede if not acted on. And, of course, we always remember that these feelings tend to intensify and overwhelm us when we give in to them. We must learn to recognize the urge for what it is--and to resist it. In the course of performing this Four-Step Method of behavioral self-treatment, we are laying the foundation for building true personal mastery and the art of self-command. Through constructive resistance to OCD feelings and urges, we increase our self-esteem and experience a sense of freedom. Our ability to make conscious, self-directed choices is enhanced.

By understanding this process by which we empower ourselves to fight OCD and by clearly appreciating the control one gains by training the mind to overcome compulsive or automatic responses to intrusive thoughts or feelings, we gain a deepening insight into how to take back our lives. Changing our brain chemistry is a happy consequence of this life-affirming action. True freedom lies along this path of a clarified perception of genuine self-interest.

QUICK SUMMARY OF THE FOUR STEPS
OF COGNITIVE BIOBEHAVIORAL SELF-TREATMENT FOR OCD
Step 1: RELABEL

Recognize that the intrusive obsessive thoughts and urges are the RESULT OF OCD.

Step 2: REATTRIBUTE
Realize that the intensity and intrusiveness of the thought or urge is CAUSED BY OCD; it is probably related to a biochemical imbalance in the brain.

Step 3: REFOCUS
Work around the OCD thoughts by focusing your attention on something else, at least for a few minutes: DO ANOTHER BEHAVIOR.

Step 4: REVALUE
Do not take the OCD thought at face value. It Is not significant in itself.

http://hope4ocd.com/foursteps.php


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 12, 2012, 01:11:47 pm
FYI, this should be available at any local library(in addition to bookstores et al).

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Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on January 13, 2012, 03:05:15 am
Thanks Brother BornAgain2 for showing me this.

Do i have OCD because i login here everyday? ;DI  know a method that breaks OCD for me. It is this: Do something new or worthwhile for a day or few days while doing something that is completely different to what you usually do each day.

or

Travel to a new location stay the night there or as long as you want and travel home again and it will feel like you have a fresh new start!

These methods have helped me, i believe OCD can occur if you have been doing the same things all the time but OCD can be normal too and i dont think a med is going to help much.

Some people like to travel and have new experiences all the time, others like to stay in one place and not venture far, wanting something familiar around. It's just the way peoples are. 8)


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 29, 2012, 03:10:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMHzD75FXso&feature=relmfu


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 29, 2012, 07:46:40 pm
2Ti 2:1  Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:2  And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
2Ti 2:3  Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier
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Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on April 03, 2012, 05:03:15 am
Good Vid!! The devil has his belly in the health system no doubt!

Good verses too!!

So what do i do?







Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 03, 2012, 09:12:18 am
Good Vid!! The devil has his belly in the health system no doubt!

Good verses too!!

So what do i do?


Don't me to get off-topic here, but will get to the point - I saw my teenage cousin's facebook/twitter pages for the first time while surfing the net the other night. Even though she's my cousin, it's more of an uncle/niece relationship b/c she's ~1/2 my age(she also just started college).

Anyhow, I was a bit disheartened to learn that she's a fan of the "Twilight", "Hunger Games", "Degrassi" stuff that's really polluted the minds of our youth, and when I read her Twitter blogs, I was even more disheartened to see how much cursing and blasphemy came out of her heart. FYI, she comes from a household of born again Christians(and FWIW too, they are socially conservative, attend church consistently, and vote Republican for that matter too).

No, I'm not saying going to church buildings and voting Republican has been a good thing et al(just the contrary), but look how much the ENTIRE SYSTEM has really polluted the minds of our youth. Not just the entertainment she has been exposed to, but the public school system that has put her under bondage. And for that matter too, if the so-called "evangelical right" is so concerned about the polluted culture in our society, then why has everything from public schools to entertainment media gotten worse and worse pagan?

When I read her Twitter blogs, yeah, it was as if she was demonically possessed. This wasn't the sweet little 9 year old I saw in 2002(nor for that matter the sweet little teenager I saw in 2005, 2007, and 2008), even though I saw signs in 2002 when we were having a discussion about the Title IX law(which was passed in the 70's to supposedly give girls equal rights to be in school athletics, but it is yet another control-agenda by the "women's rights movement"), and it seemed like she was buying into all the feminist propaganda her public school was feeding her.

Anyhow, didn't mean to talk about my cousin here, but pt being that look how much all of these worldly systems have put our youth into bondage. Yes, Please, PLEASE get out of that psychiatric system you are in. I know it's not easy - I myself go to a 501c3 church, largely b/c to look after my older parents, but this still is NO excuse.(ie-I'll admit every time I step in, I end up getting bewitched - so yes, no excuse on my part)

It can be really easy to put oneself under the yoke of men, which is best if one stays far away as possible from them.

Pro 4:25  Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.
Pro 4:26  Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.
Pro 4:27  Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil
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Pro 2:6  For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Pro 2:7  He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.
Pro 2:8  He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
Pro 2:9  Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.
Pro 2:10  When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;
Pro 2:11  Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee:
Pro 2:12  To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;


Pro 4:13  Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Pro 4:14  Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.
Pro 4:15  Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.


Rom 16:17  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple
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1Th 5:8  But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 03, 2012, 10:45:17 am
2Pe 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen
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Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 12, 2012, 10:27:15 am
This guy uses the NIV, but nonetheless a good listen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf1uuzmTMCA


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 04, 2012, 10:56:20 am
Heb 11:23  By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
Heb 11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Heb 11:25  Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Heb 11:26  Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Heb 11:27  By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Heb 11:28  Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
Heb 11:29  By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.



Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 24, 2012, 12:50:02 pm
Psa 27:7  Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
Psa 27:8  When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
Psa 27:9  Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
Psa 27:10  When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Psa 27:11  Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
Psa 27:12  Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.
Psa 27:13  I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.
Psa 27:14  Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 11, 2012, 01:59:58 pm
Php 3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21  Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself
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Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on June 14, 2012, 01:51:12 am
Thanks for the verses, i watched the video too.

Pro_3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Isa_55:8  For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa_55:9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on September 15, 2012, 06:35:02 pm
Okay i need some more prayers. I've got an appointment to see a doctor in the next few days and he said last time that he wants to increase my medication, which isn't good because 1) i dont need it and there was no valid reason that he could give me why i need more. i should actually be taking alot less and then i wouldn't have all these side effects, i'm hoping for a miracle where i can actually get away from the health system rather than be forced to go to it. Any plans on what i should say to this doctor this time around?


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 15, 2012, 06:55:43 pm
Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10  For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11  For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12  Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13  And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14  Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted
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Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 15, 2012, 06:58:30 pm
2Th 1:3  We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th 1:4  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5  Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11  Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12  That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 15, 2012, 07:06:01 pm
C40 - first off, meditate on those passages posted above, especially the last one.

As for advice over what to say...yes, while I nor anyone else shouldn't give you "advice" per se(it's the Holy Ghost that teacheth, and not flesh and blood), I will say that from my experiences with psychiatry, it would be best to leave it for good. This is making no sense why your psychiatrist is continuing to increase your doses.

I went through the same thing - no, my psychiatrist wasn't "evil" per se, but he IS trained in the Carl Jungian-field, and Jung as we all know was trained by doctrines of devils. So it was like one minute he would be very surprised why I would behave this or that way(and thought I could keep it under control), and the next minute he was prescribing more medication(or new ones) b/c he thought it "would keep the impulses under control". And it got worse and worse, and as time went on, he had this "There's really nothing I can do but do my best" kind of look growing on him.

So yeah, not an "evil" person, per se, but he's been TRAINED to do what he's doing.(which is why I have no bitter feelings toward him)

I'm praying for you, brother - but also JMHO that you leave psychiatry immediately b/c these people may be "highly educated", but again they are TRAINED to do what they do. We all have the King James Bible and are SAVED, which is WAY more than enough.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 15, 2012, 09:25:24 pm
1Ti 5:19  Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

2Co_13:1  This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Edit: What I meant to say here is that what's also highly suspect about psychiatry is that the evaluations on patients is based MERELY ON ONE doctor's "opinion"/"observation". Sure, on rare occassions there's "2nd opinions" by other doctors(although they just merely read the medical files on you). But seriously...Jesus Christ specifically says BEFORE 2 OR 3 WITNESSES. It doesn't matter if whoever has a medical school degree from some Ivy League college.

1Ti 6:3  If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4  He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5  Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.


 


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on September 15, 2012, 11:55:02 pm

As for advice over what to say...yes, while I nor anyone else shouldn't give you "advice" per se(it's the Holy Ghost that teacheth, and not flesh and blood), I will say that from my experiences with psychiatry

it would be best to leave it for good.

How can i do that? i would like to know

This is making no sense why your psychiatrist is continuing to increase your doses.

There is some sort of scheming going on that is satanic

I'm praying for you, brother - but also JMHO that you leave psychiatry immediately b/c these people may be "highly educated", but again they are TRAINED to do what they do. We all have the King James Bible and are SAVED, which is WAY more than enough.

if it was my choice i would leave, yet i'm forced to go to this doctor and if i did leave it would be in there interests to hunt me down till they find me again and put me back in there system so i would have to become invisible to avoid them, i need a miracle as i said before. Plus most likely You would never hear from me again if i did leave. So i'm seeing what will happen, the Lord Jesus has perfect timing i just have to wait until He says something.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on September 15, 2012, 11:59:44 pm
2Th 1:3  We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
2Th 1:4  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5  Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11  Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12  That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Thanks for these i have saved them so i can recall them.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Kilika on September 16, 2012, 03:16:28 am
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That's the thing, i would love to drop all the meds but i'm not allowed to, if i did not take them i will be taken back to a hospital until i was back on them again. The doctor says i must take them for life and that i'm legally bound to take them.

Which meds are they giving you?

How old are you?

Are people keeping you somewhere against your will?

Who says you need to see a doctor and take medications?

Legally bound by what law to take meds?

If need be, reply in private. I'm sorry I didn't notice this before now. Something is MAJOR wrong. Considering that they are making those kinds of claims, this is not the time to be secretive about what they are doing to you.

You don't say you see things as a child, and suddenly your in a psych ward on meds! It takes more than that. For them to do this to you, you would have had to have a major mental breakdown to say you have to be on the meds for life, which is bs and we know it.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 16, 2012, 11:30:56 pm
^^

Same here - if need be, reply to the questions above to me in private.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 07, 2012, 09:58:49 am
Psa 27:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
Psa 27:2  When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Psa 27:3  Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
Psa 27:4  One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.
Psa 27:5  For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
Psa 27:6  And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.
Psa 27:7  Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
Psa 27:8  When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
Psa 27:9  Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
Psa 27:10  When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Psa 27:11  Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
Psa 27:12  Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.
Psa 27:13  I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.
Psa 27:14  Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on October 07, 2012, 10:37:24 pm
Good verses


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 09, 2012, 09:40:14 am
Isaiah 49:8  Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isaiah 49:9  That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.
Isaiah 49:10  They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.



Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: ipso facto on January 16, 2013, 10:01:40 am
I really feel for you on this, Christian, and can truly empathize as I've found myself in a similar predicament.
I once challenged my general practitioner over the 'need' to be on mood-stabilizers only to be threatened in a round-about way
that I  c o u l d  be similarly forced to drink their cool-aid if I was not willing to acquiesce and co-operate. I paraphrase, of course.
If memory serves, I recall being able to somewhat placate the doctor's concerns by saying I'd consider his advice properly and would require time to think on it (ensure that 'informed consent was indeed informed consent), and diplomatically pointed out to him that I had been free of symptoms for an extended period of time- quite possibly not because of the low dose of mood stabilizers, (which unbeknowest to him, I wasn't actually taking) but because I had not been on ssri antidepressants for a great deal of time. I also pointed out that I was obviously sound in mind and mood, rational, maintained the faculty of insight and was
not a danger to myself or others. I impressed upon him (something to the effect) that this was because I was no longer on ssri antidepressants and reminded him that studies have shown that ssri's have been known to simulate mood disorders in otherwise non-bipolar individuals. I also invoked the term 'iatrogenic illness' in my defence as regards informed consent and after once again reassuring the doctor that I would consider his concerns, he backed off on his earlier staunch authoritarian stance.   

Your predicament sounds more difficult to circumvent however, owing in larger part to urinalysis etc testing to establish blood concentrations of whatever antipsychotic agent is involved. .  .
The first generation antipsychotic agents are particularly problematic as regards side effects. I hope that you haven't had those forced upon you. I once saw first hand a milder case of the parkinsonian-like 'tardive dyskinesia' syndrome that results
from use of the older, first generation antipsychotic agents and it still angers me to know that this a classical scenario of
iatrogenic illness- legal recourse ought be offered to patients suffering such irreversible sequalae, yet I doubt most patients
will find vindication for such in this world's courtrooms.

Does there exist any mental health advocacy group where you reside, Christian?
I know we have one in Australia where I am, but I don't know how helpful they are. Have you researched any cases similar to yours within the archives of civil libertarian groups' publications
and made sure to exhaust  a l l  legal recourse?
Am trying to think of anything and everything that might help here, but you are doing well to ask first that others pray for you.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Also remember that:

Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

Probably just like you, I do not want to be altered indefinately by meddlication as it changes 'me' and who I 'am,' but whatever transpires, be sure to keep God's promises in mind Christian.

Ro 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on January 17, 2013, 12:08:30 am
Thanks for the Bible verses and message ipso facto i have you a PM.


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: ipso facto on January 18, 2013, 05:33:58 am
Thanks for the Bible verses and message ipso facto i have you a PM.

You're welcome, Christian, and thank you- the scriptures from you are a timely encouragement to me.
 
Speaking of scripture, a most reassuring passage that I find one does well to consider and meditate upon in such times of need is Matthew 7: 9-11

Mt 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mt 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

I've personally always found a great deal of comfort in that passage and have also found much encouragement in it too, time and again.

Some select Psalms:

Ps 140:12 I know that the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and the right of the poor.

Ps 72:12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.

Last but not least:

Php 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ


Title: Re: Pray that i will not need anti-psychotic drugs
Post by: Christian40 on July 03, 2015, 05:30:44 am
i mention a unspoken prayer request for me