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Title: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on November 05, 2010, 03:21:22 pm
END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsp9-74ZJY8

A college student named Jeffery Bartell wrote a paper in 1949. He concluded that the time immediately preceding the prophesied return of Jesus Christ had begun.

The scriptures make it clear that no one knows the day or the hour of Christ’s return. But the Bible does say that we can know the times and seasons surrounding His coming. Never before have the conditions been possible for so much of endtime Bible prophecy to be fulfilled as today. You may be thinking, “…so, because disease and immorality are running rampant, and because there are wars and rumors of wars, and that we have had a few more earthquakes, that Jesus is coming back soon? We’ve heard all that before.”

To Bartell, the Bible is the greatest book ever written. Its message is so simple that it could be summed up in just a few verses. Yet at the same time, it’s a book with so much depth, that you could study it a lifetime, and still not understand all its truth. Bartell’s theory about the endtime started when he read a verse in Isaiah chapter 46. It says that God declares the end from the beginning. A similar passage is found in Isaiah chapter 48. This lead Bartell back to the beginning, to the book of Genesis and the creation story. As he studied the first chapter, he began to wonder why God took six days to create the world, and rest on the seventh. Why would he take six days when he could have created the world in one second, in the blink of an eye?

Bartell studied the words “day” and “days” in the Bible. He discovered some interesting passages that related to this. He concluded that perhaps God was indicating to us how much time man would have on the earth.

Bartell makes the point that the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, is full of foreshadowing. An event that actually happened in history, also pictures something coming in the future. An example would be when Abraham was going to sacrifice his son Isaac. That event actually happened, and it was also a picture of what God would do with his son Jesus on the cross, as an offering for the sins of the world. Now, why would God take six days to create the world? Is this a picture of something that we need to know? Bartel thinks it is.

In 2nd Peter 3:8, the context is referring to the second coming of Christ. The Bible says that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day. In Psalms 90 it says that a thousand years in God’s sight are but as yesterday. So, could it be that the six days of creation were to indicate to us, the time man would have on this Earth would be about six thousand years? …The seventh day of rest picturing the thousand year millennial reign, when Christ comes back to set up his Earthly kingdom. The time of righteousness and peace.

Bartell documents in his paper how Bible scholars have calculated from the first man, Adam, to the first coming of Jesus to be about four thousand years. If that’s the case, then we could be living right at the end of what the New Testament calls “the last days”.

Bartell makes a big issue about how God deals with time in the Bible. When God measures time, He does so by sevens. God created the world in seven days, with the seventh day being a day of rest. According to the Old Testament law, the Jews were commanded to rest every seven days. The seventh week after the Passover, they celebrated a big feast of rest. The seventh month was perhaps the most important when they celebrated three of their biggest feasts of rest. Every seventh year was a year of rest for the land. Every 49 years, seven times seven, they celebrated the year of Jubilee, which is a year of rest for the land and liberty for the people.

So it made sense to Bartell that God would set up a seven thousand year period for man to occupy the Earth; with the last thousand years being a time of rest when Jesus comes back to set up His Earthly kingdom, as spoken of in Revelation chapter 20. Bartell was right when he says that when God deals with time, He does so by sevens. There’s no other more predominant system in the word of God. The second coming of Christ is the most important day on God’s calendar. Bartell was convinced that He wants us to know about it, including the timing.

Hosea was a prophet in the Old Testament. In chapter six of that book, Hosea talks about Israel, God’s chosen nation who was always rejecting God. The nation was going to be torn apart, but verse two says: “After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.” What does this mean? When Jesus came, Israel rejected Him as their messiah, so God scattered the nation of Israel all over the world. For 1900 years there was no nation of Israel, but God says that after two days, or two thousand years, “I will revive thee, and you, Israel, will live in my sight.”

The scattered Israel became a nation again in the year 1948. This is important because God is reviving the nation of Israel and they are about to live in His sight, when Jesus comes back to set up His Earthly kingdom. Have you ever met a Canaanite? How about an Amorite? No. Because these were Israel’s enemies and they have not been preserved. The Jews have been preserved because they are God’s chosen people, and He must fulfill and keep the promises He made to them. But the Jews are still rejecting Christ. For how long? “After two days (or two thousand years) I will revive thee, and in the third day you shall live in my sight.” The second-coming events are about to begin.

Bartell sees the same foreshadowing in Exodus chapter 19:11. God told Israel to clean up and wait for two days. The third day I’m coming down in the sight of all the nation.

In John chapter 11, Lazarus, a Jew, has died. Jesus waits two days before raising him from the dead. Why? Bartell says this pictures how God is about to turn his back on Israel for the next two thousand years (or two days), and start reaching out to the rest of the world through the New Testament church; which He did.

God didn’t just throw that stuff in the Bible to waste space. Maybe Bartell is right, maybe God is trying to tell us something. Bartell points out that in Matthew chapter 17:1 that Jesus takes Peter, James and John up to the mountain, apart from the rest of the group. What, you ask, happens up there? Jesus is transfigured before them, and they are given a preview of His second coming glory. Now, the first words of that line in scripture are “after six days”. Why did God throw this in? Is He just wasting space again, or is God perhaps trying to tell us something that we need to know?

Remember, the time from Adam to Christ is 4 thousand years (or four days). The time of the church period is two thousand years (or two days). So could this mean that after six thousand years (or six days) God would revive Israel and fulfill the promises he made to them? Now, either Bartell is reading too much between the lines, or God is trying to tell us something.

What He is trying to tell us is the kingdom of God is about to begin... the day of rest (or the one thousand year reign of Christ on earth). The resurrected believers, and the believers who are alive when Jesus returns, will reign as kings and priests on Earth (Revelation 5:10).

The preceding was an adaptation taken from a Christian video titled: END OF THE HARVEST.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on November 05, 2010, 03:24:07 pm
The theory of 6000 years
Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 7:14pm
The entire Old Testament is a foreshadowing of the Messiah. As Chuck Missler says, “The Bible is an integrated message system from outside our time domain.” And there is a lot of truth to this. For instance: In the original Greek, the Genealogies of Jesus in both Matthew and Luke are entirely divisible by 7. Not that it isn’t hard to make the number of names divisible by 7, but so are the number of paragraphs, the number of consonants, the number of vowels and the number of syllables. That would be impossible for any man to do, and on top of that, it was done by 2 different men.

We all know the story of Genesis. God created the World and Everything in it in 6 days and rested on the 7th. There is a lot of speculation as to why and even if each day really consisted of a 24 hour day. A few theologists subscribe to the Gap Theory that alleges that there is a Gap between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis where there could have been Billions of years in which God created the Earth, then destroyed it, then reformed it. I believe it is a very controversial assumption especially when Revelation 22 specifically warns of adding to the words in the Bible. So for practical purposes, I will only assume that the universe was created in 6 days with the 7th being a day of rest for the Lord just as the Bible states and that each day was a normal 24 hours day because the Bible does describe the morning and evening of each day.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis1:5

For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

Now the question we have to ask ourselves is, “Why did God take 6 days to create the world and rest on the 7th when he could have easily created it in an instant? It is a question that has burdened the most educated of scholars yet most have not discovered the answers. In the movie, “End of the Harvest”,by Christiano Film Group, a college student stumbles across a paper written by Jeffrey Bartell. In it, Bartell contends that there is significance in the 6 day creation. He goes on to say that there are several significant events which occur that have some relevance to a sort of foreshadowing.

He believes postulates that the 6 days of creation is relevant to wrote a paper believes there is

John 11
1 Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
2 It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.
3 Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, "Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick."
4 When Jesus heard that, He said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it."
5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.
6 So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was.
7 Then after this He said to the disciples, "Let us go to Judea again."
8 The disciples said to Him, "Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?"
9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
10 "But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him."
11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up."
12 Then His disciples said, "Lord, if he sleeps he will get well."
13 However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.
14 Then Jesus said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead.
15 "And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him."
16 Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, "Let us also go, that we may die with Him."
17 So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.
18 Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.
19 And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.
21 Then Martha said to Jesus, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.
22 "But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You."
23 Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."
24 Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."
25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"
27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."
28 And when she had said these things, she went her way and secretly called Mary her sister, saying, "The Teacher has come and is calling for you."
29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly and came to Him.
30 Now Jesus had not yet come into the town, but was in the place where Martha met Him.
31 Then the Jews who were with her in the house, and comforting her, when they saw that Mary rose up quickly and went out, followed her, saying, "She is going to the tomb to weep there."
32 Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died."
33 Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.
34 And He said, "Where have you laid him?" They said to Him, "Lord, come and see."
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then the Jews said, "See how He loved him!"
37 And some of them said, "Could not this Man, who opened the eyes of the blind, also have kept this man from dying?"
38 Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.
39 Jesus said, "Take away the stone." Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, "Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days."
40 Jesus said to her, "Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?"
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
42 "And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me."
43 Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth!"
44 And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, "Loose him, and let him go."
45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him.


There is more to this scripture than 1st meets the eye. After researching the scriptures and looking at specific details regarding events that were to occur following this event, it becomes apparent that the numerical references have a stunning coincidence to prophetic events that did and will follow.

Firstly, in Verse 3 of this passage, the sisters, Mary and Martha, sent for Jesus saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick." At first glance this doesn’t appear to mean more than what it says, but why does the author say “he whom you love is sick” rather than using Lazarus’ name? Is it possible that this is a hint of something more? Is it possible that even though this event is actually occurring, it is also metaphorical allusion of the nation of Israel? If this passage is used in conjunction with the latter passages of this same chapter it becomes more clear.

So what does Jesus do when he hears that his good friend is sick? He stays in the same place for two more days. Why? Many theologians will tell us the obvious, that Jesus was using this for His glory, but the obvious isn’t always the only reason. The Bible is filled with scriptures that carry multiple meanings or prophecies that have multiple fulfillments. I believe this scripture is one of them. I think in many scriptures it is important to remember that time is relative. The following passages make that very clear:

For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night. Psalm 90:4

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. II Peter 3:8

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Isaiah 46:9-10

From a human perspective, we see time as a linear physical property, but God is outside of time and is therefore, not subject to it. Using the parameters that Peter set forth as a guide is it possible to calculate important Biblical events? I believe the observations and correlations are too coincidental to be discounted.

So why did Jesus wait two more days before setting out for Bethany to see his good friend? If we use II Peter3:8 as a guide and we use 1000 years is a day than Jesus ignored going to see “he whom he loves” for 2 days or 2000 years. So is it possible to assume that Jesus ignored Israel for 2000 years before returning to save them.

But then Jesus gets to Bethany and we find that Lazarus has been dead for 4 days, at which time, Jesus resurrects Lazarus. Now assuming 4 days equaled 4000 years what significance does this have in relation to the Biblical timeline. Well, we know that, assuming the Bible is the Actual Word of God, that the Earth is 6000 years old. We know that the time from Adam to Abraham is 2000 years and the time from Abraham to Jesus is 2000 years, so it would be safe to assume that Jesus walked the Earth around 4000 years from the creation of the Earth. Jesus also died and was resurrected and returned to God the father about 4000 years from the Creation of the Earth. So Lazarus was dead for 4 days and if we reflect the timeline of man. Adam (man) fell and was destined to eternal death for 4000 years or 4 days. Could the 4 days that Lazarus was dead represent the fall of mankind without salvation for the 1st 4000 years of history until Christ died for our sins? Was it the timeline of man’s separation from the Lord?

Does it seem mere coincidence that the Years to Days reflect some sort of relative Biblical Timeline?

If that is not proof enough let’s look into another verse of scripture. This time from the Book of Joshua:

Joshua 6
1 Now Jericho was securely shut up because of the children of Israel; none went out, and none came in.
2 And the Lord said to Joshua: "See! I have given Jericho into your hand, its king, and the mighty men of valor.
3 "You shall march around the city, all you men of war; you shall go all around the city once. This you shall do six days.
4 "And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark. But the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets.
5 "It shall come to pass, when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, that all the people shall shout with a great shout; then the wall of the city will fall down flat. And the people shall go up every man straight before him."
6 Then Joshua the son of Nun called the priests and said to them, "Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the Lord."
7 And he said to the people, "Proceed, and march around the city, and let him who is armed advance before the ark of the Lord."
8 So it was, when Joshua had spoken to the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns before the Lord advanced and blew the trumpets, and the ark of the covenant of the Lord followed them.
9 The armed men went before the priests who blew the trumpets, and the rear guard came after the ark, while the priests continued blowing the trumpets.
10 Now Joshua had commanded the people, saying, "You shall not shout or make any noise with your voice, nor shall a word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I say to you, 'Shout!' Then you shall shout."
11 So he had the ark of the Lord circle the city, going around it once. Then they came into the camp and lodged in the camp.
12 And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the Lord.
13 Then seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the Lord went on continually and blew with the trumpets. And the armed men went before them. But the rear guard came after the ark of the Lord, while the priests continued blowing the trumpets.
14 And the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. So they did six days.
15 But it came to pass on the seventh day that they rose early, about the dawning of the day, and marched around the city seven times in the same manner. On that day only they marched around the city seven times.
16 And the seventh time it happened, when the priests blew the trumpets, that Joshua said to the people: "Shout, for the Lord has given you the city!
17 "Now the city shall be doomed by the Lord to destruction, it and all who are in it. Only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
18 "And you, by all means abstain from the accursed things, lest you become accursed when you take of the accursed things, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 "But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are consecrated to the Lord; they shall come into the treasury of the Lord."
20 So the people shouted when the priests blew the trumpets. And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat. Then the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
22 But Joshua had said to the two men who had spied out the country, "Go into the harlot's house, and from there bring out the woman and all that she has, as you swore to her."
23 And the young men who had been spies went in and brought out Rahab, her father, her mother, her brothers, and all that she had. So they brought out all her relatives and left them outside the camp of Israel.
24 But they burned the city and all that was in it with fire. Only the silver and gold, and the vessels of bronze and iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord.
25 And Joshua spared Rahab the harlot, her father's household, and all that she had. So she dwells in Israel to this day, because she hid the messengers whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.
26 Then Joshua charged them at that time, saying, "Cursed be the man before the Lord who rises up and builds this city Jericho; he shall lay its foundation with his firstborn, and with his youngest he shall set up its gates."
27 So the Lord was with Joshua, and his fame spread throughout all the country.


So in the above Scripture, God tell Joshua to March around the city 6 times and then on the 7th day they are to march around the city 7 times and the 7 priests are to blow the 7 trumpets and once they have marched around the city seven times, the people are to shout. Then the walls came down and they were to destroy all the people of the city except Rahab the prostitute and those who were with her.

This is mind baffling. What is with all the numbers here? I find a parallel to the Book of Revelation. There are also 7 angels who blow 7 trumpets in the Book of Revelation that bring about judgments to those who dwell on the Earth. The thing I find significant with regards to the Book of Joshua is that the soldiers of Israel are told to destroy everyone except Rahab the prostitute and those with her. Joshua promised to spare her and those with her and the sign for the Jewish soldiers not to hurt anyone in her household was a scarlet cord. I find it interesting that God also spares people those he seals with a mark (on their foreheads) so that the wrath of God does not affect them, they happened to be 144,000 Jews. So God again spares some from His destruction.

Matthew 16
27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
28 "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Matthew 17
1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.


Mark 9
1 And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.
3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.


So, we have a number of days, six to be exact. At first glance the six days are easily read over as just words without a second thought, but is it possible that these six days are of some importance. First, we have to recognize that the verses in Matthew, “Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.” are important because they are telling us who Jesus took with Him onto the mountain and then it describes the transfiguration. Jesus is revealing to Peter, James and John His glorious body. This is the same glorious resurrection body that Jesus is going to come in when he returns as Lord of lords and King of kings. He is also revealing a clue. Why did Elijah and Moses appear with Him?

Not only is the six days mentioned in Matthew, but it is also mentioned by Mark in the same context. The exact phase “Now after six days…”, is used in both Matthew and Mark. The fact that such a subtle reference is made in exactly the same way within the same context, must mean that the verse is of some significance. Two Gospel writers thought enough of it to mention it. Why? If it were of no importance, why is it that it is even mentioned at all? If it did not have any significance then what would it matter if they had just left out the part about the 6 days passing. It doesn’t make much sense why both Matthew and Mark would waste a line of Scripture like that unless it was important. Remember, every word of scripture is God-Breathed. If that is true than it must be important.


So again we have to refer to II Peter 3:8, “to the Lord, a day is as thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.” If 6 days equals 6000 years than what is the significance? Both Matthew and Mark state, “Now, after 6 days…” The key here is “after”, 6 days. So what happens after 6 days? Jesus reveals his glory and Elijah and Moses show up around the same time. So when is the 6000 years. Well, we have already established that Christ was going to be resurrected after 4000 years so 6000 years would be close to today’s time. I believe it will take place very soon, likely within the next 10 years. Where do I get that timeline from? I am just adding 2000 years onto the resurrection of Jesus Christ in A.D. 32.

3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. Revelation 11:3-13

The amazing thing is that in the “End Times” God sends two witnesses onto the Earth to preach and call the world to repentance. They will be able to stop the rain for 3 ½ years, they will be able to send plagues on men and if anyone tries to stop them fire will come out of them and consume their attackers. Sound familiar? It happened. We know that Moses sent 10 plagues on Egypt so who is the 2nd witness? Below should be a great indication. The similarities are uncanny.

And Elijah the Tishbite, of the inhabitants of Gilead, said to Ahab, "As the Lord God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, except at my word." I Kings 17:1

“So Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, "If I am a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men." And fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty.” II Kings 1:10

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he will turn The hearts of the fathers to the children, And the hearts of the children to their fathers, Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse." Malachi 4:5-6

"But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land; Luke 4:25

So who are the two witnesses? If we look to the prophecy in Malachi as well as the foreshadowing in the Transfiguration , we can logically conclude that they are none other than Elijah and Moses.

And this brings us back to our original question, “Why did the Lord take 6 days to create the world when He could have easily taken only 1 day to create it?” Relating it to II Peter 3:8 we come up with 6000 years and then an additional 1000 years for the day of rest. Bartell believed that this 6000 + 1000 represents man’s time on Earth. In other words, the 6 days represents the time of man from the creation until the time that Christ returns to set up His kingdom on Earth. The additional day or 1000 years (the day the Lord rested) represents the time of Millennial Kingdom, the 1000 years of rest for the believers of mankind as Christ reigns as Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

If this is correct, then when do we reach the 6000 years. I believe the 6000 years is an approximation, it may not be exactly 6000 years, but it will be very close. Remember when Jesus turned his back on Lazarus (The Jews) for 2 days or 2000 years, the actual time that passed was actually 1,916 years from the date that Jesus was crucified.

In his book, The Annals of the World, by Bishop James Ussher, 1st published in 1658, he comprehensively covers the History of the world from Creation to A.D. 70 and he dates the creation to 4004 B.C.. If correct, that would place us at approximately 6000 years since creation. We could be ripe for the harvest. Christ’s return could be at any moment. As Jesus said in Matthew 25:13, "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.” Jesus told us that no one would know the day or the hour. However, He commanded us to watch for the signs of the time as mentioned in Luke below:

Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. "When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Luke 17:29-33


So, if Bartell is correct, if Ussher is correct, we could be living in the last generation that will see Christ’s return. Are you ready to meet Him with open arms? Are you keeping a watchful eye regarding His return? If not, it is time to get right with God. It is time to make Jesus the Lord of you Life and accept his free gift of Grace. You simply pray a prayer to God, humbling yourself and admitting that you are a sinner in need of salvation. Repent of your sin and ask Jesus to come into your heart and change your life. His free gift is Eternal life. You don’t have to do anything, except believe in Him and allow Him to work in your life. God Bless you all.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on November 05, 2010, 03:24:25 pm
I have found another passage that relates to this.

Exo 19
10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,

11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:

13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.

15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.

16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.


The Lord is giving them 2 DAYS to clean and sanctify them selves, and then he will appear on the THIRD day. This is the same as the 2000 years ending with the tribulation, the cleansing of the Jews in Gods sight, and his appearing at the end of the Trib.

2 days= 2 thousand years, 3rd day the Lord appears, 1 thousand years of peace. Could be a fore shadowing??


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on November 05, 2010, 03:25:20 pm
posted by Kilika

Consider what else scripture says about the witnesses. In the following few verses, "three days and an half" is said twice. I personally find that interesting.

8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 ¶ And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11:8-13 (KJB)


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on November 05, 2010, 03:26:00 pm
posted by Lisa

Sorry i didnt post-have been busy...

But yes absolutely. I have been shouting this out for like ages-
1. The Jews are going home and becoming a nation (fulfilled prophesy-can a nation be formed in a day).
2. I think the ingrafting of the gentiles has greatly slowed (the time of the fulness of the gentiles)
3. The Jews are supernaturally beginning to recognise their Messiah-the number of Messianic groups is increasing quite rapidly...and we MUST accept them as our brothers in Christ (Romans 11)
4. The nations are gathering against Israel
5.There is an ongoing progressive ecconimic collapse
6. The church is grossly apostate (will there be found faith on earth)
7. The apostate is headed up by false teachers

I am sure there will be some form of second pentecost (not the naff vineyard thing-but a real outpouring of the real Holy spirit-with fire and righteousness at its core)...and our Lord will return-to judge.Parousia
Maranatha
L


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on May 29, 2011, 02:10:15 pm
http://it.cross.tv/37033


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on August 29, 2011, 07:23:39 pm
More Foreshadowing....


Bible students are well aware that there are numerous Old Testament types that
foreshadow a New Testament fulfillment. A classic example is when Abraham took his
son, his only son Isaac, whom he greatly loved, to the land of Moriah to offer him there
as a sacrifice – concluding that God was able to raise him from the dead (Genesis 22;
Hebrews 11:17-19). Abraham is a beautiful type of our heavenly Father, and Isaac, his
beloved son, is a striking picture of Jesus, who willingly laid down His life on Mount
Moriah 2,000 years later.

Though the Rapture was hidden in part from Old Testament believers, the types found
throughout foreshadow a future Rapture when God removes His people prior to pouring
out His wrath on a Christ-rejecting world. Let’s now review some of these beautiful types
that foreshadow the Rapture:

1) In Noah’s day there were those who passed through the flood (Noah and his family in
the ark); there were those who perished in the flood (the unbelieving world); and there
was Enoch who was “translated” or “caught up” before the judgment of God was poured
out. Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:24) and pleased Him (Hebrews 11:5), just as
Christians who abide in Christ please God (1 John 3:22). Interestingly, from the time God
told Noah to enter the ark, until the time when the waters of the flood were on the earth,
God granted seven more days for the world to repent (Gen. 7:1-10). Perhaps this is a
foreshadow of the final seven-year period culminating in the final judgment (Rev. 19:11-
21)

2) In Lot’s day, Lot and his family were “removed” before God rained down His
judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19). God did not just “preserve” them
through His wrath, He removed them prior to judgment. Jesus said that just before His
return it would be like the days of Noah (Luke 17:26) and like the days of Lot (Luke
17:28). Judgment in Sodom COULD NOT occur until Lot was removed (Genesis 19:22)!
Remarkably, “while [Lot] lingered, the [angels] took hold of his hand, his wife’s hand,
and the hands of his two daughters, the Lord being merciful to him, and they brought him
out and set him outside the city…Hurry, escape there. For I cannot do anything until you
arrive there (v. 16, 22). In other words, they were forcibly removed prior to judgment and
judgment could not commence until they safely arrived in the new city!

3) Joseph (a type of Christ in many ways) takes a gentile bride before the 7-year famine
begins (Genesis 41:45). Notice in the account of Joseph that after he received his gentile
bride, his brethren (the Israelites) and the entire world suffered a SEVEN YEAR
FAMINE (Genesis 41:54-57). During this time of famine many came to Joseph for food.
Similarly, after Jesus receives His Bride, his brethren the Jews (and many in the world),
will turn to the Lord Jesus for relief (Rev. 7). How fitting that the Great Tribulation is
called the time of “the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah
30:7). It is also referred to as “the time of the Gentiles” (Ezekiel 30:3) and many gentiles
will also be saved out of it (Rev. 7). The famine is a type of the Tribulation (Amos 8:11),
and Egypt is a picture of the world. This account strongly suggests that Jesus will get His
bride before the 70th Week of Daniel – before the famine that will come upon the entire
world.

4) In Joshua chapter 2, Rahab trusts the Lord and befriends the Jewish spies. By faith
Rahab puts a scarlet thread in her window (a symbol of Christ’s blood) and she and her
family are “brought out” of Jericho before the city is burned with fire (Joshua 6). Rahab
is a prostitute (Heb. 11:31) and a Gentile woman (Joshua 2), yet she is found in the
Messianic line (Matt. 1:5). Rahab is therefore a beautiful picture of the church (the bride
of Christ). Though formerly a prostitute, Rahab, by faith, was made clean and delivered
from God’s wrath. Amazingly, in this account, we again see seven days of warning
preceding judgment (God’s gracious delay to encourage repentance). The armies of God
marched around the city six days, and on the seventh day they marched around the city
seven times, and then the city was finally destroyed (Joshua 6).

5) In 1 Samuel 25:39-42 Abigail is informed that King David (foreshadowing King Jesus)
wants to take her as his bride. She immediately responds and “rose is haste” with five of
her damsels to “depart” and go to David for the marriage. Compare this with Matthew
25:1-13 where five wise virgins who truly had oil went forth to meet the Bridegroom
(Jesus) away from their dwelling place (earth). Interestingly, the name Abigail means the
Father’s joy!

6) The Song of Solomon is an amazing picture of Christ and His church (Ephesians 5:29-
32). In the Song of Solomon 2:8-13, the Bride (the church) hears the voice of her Beloved
(Jesus) coming for her, then in verse 10 and 13, the Bridegroom speaks and calls His
bride to “Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.” This is a beautiful foreshadow
of our marriage and honeymoon in heaven!

7) Isaiah 26:20-21 also gives us a possible picture of the Rapture preceding the
Tribulation: “Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you;
hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the
LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the
earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain.” Apparently,
believers are tucked away in heaven before the Tribulation falls on the earth. This may
also apply to the Jews who hide away in Petra during the Tribulation?

8) In Daniel chapter 3, King Nebuchadnezzar (a type of the Antichrist, cf. Rev. 13)
demands that the entire population bow down to his image. Daniel’s three friends (Jews)
are preserved through the fiery tribulation, but Daniel is nowhere to be found. Daniel was
“ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief administrator over all the wise men
of Babylon” (Dan. 2:48), yet he is missing from the account. Why? Daniel was
apparently away. Might he be a type of the Church?!

9) In Zephaniah 2:2-3 we read: “Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the
chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the
LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have
upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden
in the day of the LORD'S anger.” Believers will be hidden in the day of the Lord’s
anger (cf. Isaiah 26:20-21). See also: Zephaniah 1:7.

10) Malachi chapter 3 deals with the Day of the Lord. Interestingly, Malachi 3:18
implies two comings: “Then shall ye (believers) return, and discern between the righteous
and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.” It becomes
clear when we read the entire context of Malachi 3 that believers shall return to the earth.
In order to return and discern, believers must have first been caught away to heaven.

Issac and Rebekah, as well as Ruth and Boaz, also provide beautiful pictures of Christ
taking a Gentile bride – one who counts the cost and leaves their own family – but is not
required to suffer through great tribulation or famine. Other examples could be
expounded on, but these should be sufficient to show that Christians will be removed
before God’s wrath is poured out and likely before the 70th Week of Daniel.

http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/articles/Rapture.pdf


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 29, 2011, 08:45:35 pm
I have a question - why were Enoch and Noah taken separately? The former at the catching up, and the latter when he was told to go into the ark?

Am wondering why they weren't done so at the same time, but different times.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 09:33:51 am
I like this chart which shows a possible timeline.  I think it fits the scriptures pretty nicely.  It's nice to just be able to see biblical history in this visible way. 

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Lamourlady/timeline-1.gif)


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 09:48:42 am
Complete explanation of this timeline is at the link.  (hope it works)

http://ichthys.com/Satan's_Rebellion_Part_5.htm#time-line_of_human_history

Scroll up just a bit for title:  Specific Chronology of the Seven Days of Human History


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 12:03:26 pm
I like this chart which shows a possible timeline.  I think it fits the scriptures pretty nicely.  It's nice to just be able to see biblical history in this visible way. 

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Lamourlady/timeline-1.gif)

So according to this outline, we still have another 15 years before the tribulation starts?? :-[


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 12:15:55 pm
I gleamed through the web site, it has some pretty decent stuff - however, Jesus told us to watch and pray always in the end times. The guy(or female) who did this web site needs to understand especially all this stuff that's really starting to go down now. No, I'm not saying the tribulation will start this year. But at the same time, with everything getting worse and worse with almost a point of no return now(without going into the details), you can't deny that the end is approaching very soon. Just reading any one of the latter OT prophecies gets you a deep understanding of the times we are living in(ie-whether it's Jeremiah or Ezekiel).

This is my gripe with date-setting in general - it gets our eyes off of watching daily.(No, I'm not talking about Harold Camping, but those like Hal Lindsey and Dave Hunt which actually had decent intentions in their date-setting ended up making things look bad - FWIW, all Lindsey and Hunt did was use scripture, the 40-70 year generation verse in Psalm 90:1 and its connection with the nation of Israel)


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 12:35:16 pm
I gleamed through the web site, it has some pretty decent stuff - however, Jesus told us to watch and pray always in the end times. The guy(or female) who did this web site needs to understand especially all this stuff that's really starting to go down now. No, I'm not saying the tribulation will start this year. But at the same time, with everything getting worse and worse with almost a point of no return now(without going into the details), you can't deny that the end is approaching very soon. Just reading any one of the latter OT prophecies gets you a deep understanding of the times we are living in(ie-whether it's Jeremiah or Ezekiel).

This is my gripe with date-setting in general - it gets our eyes off of watching daily.(No, I'm not talking about Harold Camping, but those like Hal Lindsey and Dave Hunt which actually had decent intentions in their date-setting ended up making things look bad - FWIW, all Lindsey and Hunt did was use scripture, the 40-70 year generation verse in Psalm 90:1 and its connection with the nation of Israel)

The entries just before this explanation of his theory:

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"Chronology in the Bible: Before proceeding to set out any scheme of biblical chronology, it is important to note that the Bible contains no absolute chronological scale, that is, it provides no references to "B.C." or "A.D." Indeed, our present system of chronology was only invented ca. 525 A.D. by a Scythian monk named Dionysius Exiguus at the behest of pope John I. The ancient Roman method of calculation (A.U.C.) had been the previous system of choice. But whether Olympiads or regnal years or any other of the countless systems which have been employed by mankind to chronicle the ages be consulted, all have their problems and fallibilities, especially when it comes to applying them to the span of human history in toto.

Pride of place for the collection and interpretation of biblical chronological data and attempting to apply systematized results to our modern calendar system goes in the ancient world to Eusebius, and in the modern world to Ussher, and it is fair to say that anyone who delves into such issues inevitably builds upon the work of these two.(58) Ussher's exhaustive researches posited Adam's creation at 4004 B.C., and Abraham's entry into Canaan at 1921 B.C., dates that fall very closely in line with the millennial day interpretation being advanced here. Further positing an interval between Adam's fall and his creation (an assumption which is by no means contradicted by scripture), and positing Abraham's circumcision as the point when the Jewish Age began, will bring us very close indeed to an exact 2,000 years from Christ to Abraham, as well as from Abraham to Adam's fall. Before getting into the specific points of chronology that are necessary to address in support of this interpretation, however, it is important to discuss some basic principles of biblical chronology:

1) As the Creator, God invented, created, and controls time (cf. Josh.10:13-14).(59) Everything that has ever happened or ever will has already been decreed by Him (Ps.56:8; 139:16; Jer.33:25; Rom.8:28-30; Eph.1:11; 1Pet.1:2). God is therefore in no way subject to time; rather time is entirely subject to Him. Therefore, any exactitude in the seven millennial day system discussed here is entirely due to His divine prerogative. He has always been free to alter, amend or append time (as in His lengthening of a solar day during the battle of Gibeon: Josh.10). By the same token, He is also free to adhere to any system of temporal division He may have established, such as the seven days of human history.

2) The Bible contains much in the way of chronological data. As with all information contained in scripture, we must assume that this information has been deliberately included by God and is important. The chronological data in the Bible must be there for a reason. Therefore the fact that this information is not always provided in a way which is easily comparable to our current system of dating does not in any way decrease its importance and relevance.

3) The problems of matching biblical chronological data to our system of time reckoning are our problems, not the Bible's problems. Our system, possessing as it does its own share of difficulties, did not even come into existence until well after the Bible was written. Matching the biblical data to our current calendar is thus an interpretive problem with which we must deal and in no way impugns the accuracy of biblical statements.

4) "Pegging" dates to our method of dating therefore runs into a number of systemic problems, such as the A.D./B.C. shift, inclusive counting in biblical times, exact length of months and years, start times of years, and the use of multiple reckoning methods in the Bible (to name but a few of the more significant complications).

5) For all these problems relative to understanding and interpreting this data, however, it is important to note that biblical chronological information is not only absolutely accurate, but also extremely precise (cf. Ex.12:40-42: the exodus took place "430 years to the very day" from Israel's arrival there).

6) It is also clear that we are meant to know and understand the chronological facts the Bible records (Matt.16:3; 24:32-35;1Thes.5:1-3).

7) We end this summary of principles where we began. God is the ruler of time. And this means that it is also within His authority to "change the times and the seasons" whenever and however He should so desire (Dan.2:21). God is not bound to honor any human system of chronology or any human expectation about its progress. He is only bound as He chooses to bind Himself through the prophetic revelation of scripture."


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 01:04:04 pm
So according to this outline, we still have another 15 years before the tribulation starts?? :-[

I'd say that was a fair assessment considering there are supposed to be two wars with a 'Southern Coalition" before even the AC is revealed in the 'middle of the week'.  The first half of the Trib is AC gaining his world-wide power before he is 'revealed' so that they can say, "who can make war with the beast?"  He must have had some sort of military success for this to be even stated and for the world to be in 'awe' of him.

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Daniel 11:25

 25And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

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Daniel 11:40

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

I think we are building up to these wars, whether they are Psalm 83 or Ezekiel.  This Southern alliance, having an Islamic connection, will be in opposition to joining the new 'Roman Empire' of Europe, headed by AC in the beginning of his world conquest.  In the end this coalition wins the first war, but loses the second bringing them in as the '3' that join the '7' to make the '10' nations that rule 'for one hour'.   (if that makes sense).  The '8th', who comes from one of the '7', ruling all, is of course, the AC, the 'little horn'.

It makes sense to me and 15 years truly is not that long or far away.  I'd say there will be this election for 2012, and then there will be 3 more, with the 3rd being usurped by AC somehow in 2024, gaining leadership in some sort of coup d'tat (according to this timeline):

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Daniel 11:21-23

 21And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom "they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

The reality is that stating the year is not really 'date-setting' as we still do not know 'the hour or day' to which will actually begin the Trib, but we are to know the 'season' and 'times' as stated by Jesus.

p.s. this author also has a whole, detailed study on the whole of the Tribulation.  Just click the fish at the top to see the whole she-bang.  I will admit, though, that he is not pre-trib, but the study of scripture is the same despite when we actually leave this world.  So, I hope it doesn't deter you checking it out. :)


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 02:27:53 pm
All true, however, one still can't deny today's church has been so far infiltrated, the economy has come to a point of no return, and even if Rick Perry or Michelle Bauchman win the White House in 2012, I highly doubt either of them will overturn anything Obama has done(but rather further promote them).

Please Lord Jesus Come Quickly...


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 04:48:40 pm
Another thing on this - do we really know Adam was created in exactly 4112 BC? Is there anywhere in the bible that says so?

Yes, I understand we should know approximately the date, but I don't think anyone knows the exact date. The link could be right in their timetable, but the exact date of 4112 BC I doubt they really would know that.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on September 03, 2011, 04:51:26 pm
Another thing on this - do we really know Adam was created in exactly 4112 BC? Is there anywhere in the bible that says so?

Yes, I understand we should know approximately the date, but I don't think anyone knows the exact date. The link could be right in their timetable, but the exact date of 4112 BC I doubt they really would know that.

i was wondering that myself.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 05:21:53 pm
The gentleman, at the link, breaks down every detail of this timeline, fwiw.  He works his way backwards from the birth and death of Christ.  Here is a snip about Adam: (when you really look, the Bible truly is full of exact and accurate information...it is a historical document, afterall!!!)

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- The Jewish Age (2065 - 2 B.C.(78)) -

    1. to 1444 B.C. (the Exodus): retrogressing 1442 years (from 2 B.C.) to the Exodus in 1444 B.C., based upon 1st Kings 6:1 which states that the 4th year of King Solomon's reign (ca. 964 B.C.) occurred 480 years after the Exodus (ca. 1444 B.C.: i.e., 964 + 480 = 1444).(79)

    2. to 1874 B.C. (Jacob in Egypt): retrogressing from 1444 B.C. a further 430 years to the time of Jacob's arrival in Egypt, based upon Exodus 12:40 (which states that Israel remained in Egypt after Jacob's arrival exactly 430 years), and thus taking us to 1874 B.C.

    3. to 2004 B.C. (Jacob's birth): retrogressing from 1874 B.C. a further 130 years to Jacob's birth, based upon Genesis 47:9 where Jacob tells Pharaoh on his arrival in Egypt that he is 130 years old.

    4. to 2064 B.C. (Isaac's birth): retrogressing from 2004 B.C. a further 60 years to the birth of Isaac, based upon Genesis 25:26, where we learn that Isaac was sixty when Jacob was born.

    5. to 2065 B.C. (Abraham's circumcision): retrogressing from 2064 B.C. one year to the circumcision of Abraham, the event which marks the beginning of the Jewish Age (Gen.17-18; cf. Rom.4:9-12). Subtracting from 2065 two years for the birth of Christ in 2 B.C. and seventy years for the Babylonian captivity, we are left with 1993 years, the entire two millennial days of the Jewish age (minus the seven years of Daniel's seventieth week, the yet future Tribulation).

- The Age of the Gentiles (4065 - 2065 B.C.) -

    6. to 2164 B.C. (Abraham's birth): retrogressing 99 years from 2065 to the birth of Abraham based upon Genesis 17:24.

    7. to 2456 B.C. (the flood): retrogressing 292 years from 2164 to the great flood by adding the intervals between generations from Abraham to Shem, based upon Genesis 11:10-26.

    8. to 3056 B.C. (Noah's birth): retrogressing 600 years to the birth of Noah by adding the intervals between generations from Shem to Noah, based upon Genesis 7:6 and 7:11 - 8:14.(80)

    9. to 4112 B.C. (Adam's creation): retrogressing 1056 years to the creation of Adam by adding the intervals between generations from Noah to Adam, based upon Genesis 5:3-29. Allowing exactly 2,000 years for Age of the Gentiles from 2065 to 4065 and subtracting the latter figure from 4112, we posit that Adam sinned and was expelled from the garden at the chronological age of 47 (i.e., he was already mature when created, then fell 47 years after his mature creation: 4112 - 4065 = 47).



Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 06:15:30 pm
To be frank, I think he's fooling himself if he's really adament about the final 7 year tribulation starting in 2026. Sure, 2033 is 2000 years from 33 AD, but it doesn't mean anything in terms of watching in the end times.

Again, the economy is WAY into freefall(at least at my end of the woods, it's almost impossible to find a decent job b/c of what the USA federal government is doing). The church has become completely Apostate - yes, God is on the throne, but I don't see how much God can tolerate this. At the rate everything's going, gay sex could be tolerated in this Apostate church a couple of years from now. You have mind control everywhere(honestly, I can't imagine television and other multi media like music getting any worse than it is now 15 years from now, much less 2 years from now).

IOW, America is ripe for judgement.

Yes, this guy has some good things on his site, but if I were him, I would be constantly WATCHING and praying(as Jesus says) instead of trying to stick firm a date and sit back in the sun.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 07:06:44 pm
A couple of things on the guy with this web site...not to nit pick on the first one, but...

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Robert Dean Luginbill, Ph.D.

Department of Classical and Modern Languages
University of Louisville
Louisville, KY 40292


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2010-present University of Louisville

Professor of Classics

1997-2010 University of Louisville

        Associate Professor of Classics

1991-1997 University of Louisville

        Assistant Professor of Classics

1990-91 University of Southern California,

        Lecturer in Classics

1984-90 University of California Irvine

        Ph.D. in Classics 1990

        M.A. in Classics 1986

1982-84 Talbot Theological Seminary

        M.A.B.S in Hebrew Old Testament 1984, highest honors

1980-82 University of Illinois Champaign

        B.A. 1982, highest distinction in Classics

1975-79 United States Marine Corps

        final rank: Captain USMCR

1973-75 University of Illinois Chicago

        B.A. in History 1975, honors

1971-73 Northeastern Illinois University
 


Books:

Thucydides on War and National Character (Boulder 1999)

Author of Illusions: Thucydides' Re-writing of the History of the Peloponnesian War (Newcastle upon Tyne 2011)


Articles and Reviews:

"P.Oxy. XVII 2100 fr.15," BASP 27 (1990) 43.

"Othismos: the Importance of the Mass-Shove in Hoplite Warfare," Phoenix 48 (1994) 51-61.

"Ho Pandomator Chronos: Simonides 531 P," UFLR (1994-5) 290-295 [with special thanks to Shelly Forbis and Scott Milby].

"Ibycus 286: The Beleaguered Heart," MAIA 47 (1995) 343-347.

Leslie J. Worley's Hippeis: the Cavalry of Ancient Athens, Phoenix 49 (1995) 362-363.

"Rethinking Antiphon's PERI ALETHEIAS," Apeiron 30 (1997) 163-187.

"Thucydides' Evaluation of the Sicilian Expedition: 2.65.11," The Ancient World 28 (1997) 127-132.

"Chariton's Use of Thucydides in his Description of the Egyptian Revolt: Chaireas and Callirhoe 6:8," Mnemosyne 53  (2000) 1-11.

"A Delightful Possession: Longus' Prologue and Thucydides,"  The Classical Journal 97 (2002) 233-247.

"Tyrtaeus 12 West: Come Join the Spartan Army," The Classical Quarterly 52 (2002) 405-414.

"Paragraph 3.84 and Thucydides' History," Ancient History Bulletin 16 (2003) 151-174.

"Docti Iudicent: a note on Bacchae 630-631" Dioniso n.s. 2 (2003) 32-35.

"The Thucydidean element in the speeches of the Mytilenian debate: History 3.37-48," Akroterion 51 (2006) 21-42.

"Thucydides on Peloponnesian Strategy at Pylos,"  AJAH n.s. 3-4 (2004-2005 [2007]) 39-57.

"The Route of the Peloponnesian Fleet to Pylos in 425", AW 38 (2007) 5-14.

"Anonymous 849" in Brill's New Jacoby (FgrH) (2009)

"The Occasion and Purpose of Alcman's Partheneion (1 PMGF)", QUCC 92 (2009) 27-54.
 


Honors, Awards and Grants:

2011  Honorary Member, Woodcock Honor Society

2010  University-wide Distinguished Faculty Award for Teaching, University of Louisville

2009  Distinguished Teaching Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Louisville

2008  Distinguished Teaching Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Louisville

2002  Honorary Member, Golden Key International Honor Society

1997  University of Louisville Research Grant

1996  University of Louisville Project Completion Grant

1996  Honorary Member, Eta Sigma Phi Classics Honor Society

1993  University of Louisville Modern Languages Fund Grant

1992  University of Louisville Dean's Professional Initiative Grant

1989  University of California Pre-doctoral Dissertation Fellowship

1988  School of Humanities Outstanding Undergraduate Teaching Award

1987 and 1988  Outstanding TA Teaching Award Department of Classics

1985 and 1986  Outstanding Essay Award Department of Classics

1985  University of California Regents Research Fellow

1984  University of California Regents Fellow

1984  Kappa Tau Epsilon Honor Society

1982  Phi Beta Kappa Honor Society


http://ichthys.com/cv3.htm

This is just me, but he comes off more as a "scholar" then a true born again bible believer. No, I'm not judging him and saying he isn't saved et al, but at the same time, just reading this and gleaming through his work on his web site, he comes off more as just that.

1Co 2:10  But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16  For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ
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I'll post the second thing in the next post.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 07:10:22 pm
He also needs to study this passage closer...

Mat 24:43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
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Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 03, 2011, 07:14:51 pm
BA, believe me when I say he is a true Christian.  I've been studying with him for years now and we have exchanged numerous emails.  He has been a big spiritual support to me as well as a true seeker of biblical truth.  He is prompt in his email responses and has a catalog of the many emails that have been sent to him (leaving out personal info).  His site is quite the indepth look at the Bible through and through.  We complain when someone spouts off with no apparent background in anything worthy, and now we question those who have taken the time to delve into the things that could actually help in helping others.  His studies shouldn't disqualify him as a good teacher or a good Christian.

His interpretations are based on all of those various degrees in language and classical and ancient studies, I like that about him, as well that he has been in the USMC and almost became a pastor.  Being a Greek professor also helps him in his personal studies of the Bible and its ancient texts.  He doesn't accept money and he has no church or denomination.  He does this all out of the goodness of his heart, considering he is also a professor at the U of Kentucky.  He has never ever not written me back if I've ever had a question.


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Question:  I am really enjoying your web site, but would like to know more about you and your background. For example, do you have a church connected to your Internet ministry? By the way, I found an "ichthys" while visiting a German portal - is this yours too?  Keep up the good work,

Response:  I'm very pleased to hear that you are enjoying the site. On the German site, no, my site is the only ichthys.com out there, but there are a lot of "variations on the theme" in cyberspace (the names are similar, that is, not the content), and a couple of them are in Germany.

As to my personal bio, I'm not sure that I have too much to add other than what can be gleaned from my CV. You can find that on the site at this link: C.V. (or click my name on the "About ICHTHYS" page). I became interested in pursuing the Bible as my life's true work when I was in the USMC, and have focused my efforts there ever since. As a P.K., I was always around these issues from an early age (and saw the problems with the organized church as presently configured). After resigning my regular commission in the Marines, and following a second B.A. in Greek (with much Hebrew, Latin and German thrown in), I went to seminary in CA to concentrate on Hebrew and Theology (I did initiate a procedure that would have led me to a traditional pastorate, but it became clear to me in seminary that this was not to be my calling), then off to get another M.A. and finally a Ph.D. in Classics in order to deepen my mastery of Greek and ancient world studies in general. And I've been hammering away at these things ever since. I don't know that there's really much more to say - I hope the materials posted at the site will be able to speak for themselves as you scrutinize them. I do hope too that you will continue to find them useful for your own spiritual growth. As I say, I myself did try the traditional route, but found that rather than being a help the restraints of traditional organizations were a hindrance to my seeking of the truth and nothing but the truth from the scriptures in order to better follow Jesus Christ (but I guess that is probably obvious from these studies too).  The idea behind ICHTHYS is to make available through the Internet in-depth Bible teaching for those who may be having a difficult time finding it elsewhere (if I had a local church, I doubt that I would be able to do this ministry too because of time-constraints).

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Ichthys: Bible Study for Spiritual Growth

This ministry originated with a face-to-face Bible study at the University of California Irvine during the late 1980's.  When friends graduated or otherwise moved on, I felt the need to make these materials available in written form.  This process was greatly facilitated by the internet, and Ichthys first ventured on-line in October 1997.

General:  Ichthys is an independently owned and operated, non-profit, personal ministry. All materials posted to this site are the sole property and responsibility of myself, its webmaster, Dr. Robert D. Luginbill. Although the Bible study materials found here are in the Protestant, Evangelical tradition, this site has no denominational affiliation – the Bible studies at Ichthys are intended to speak for themselves. It is my profound hope that these lessons will contribute to the spiritual growth and progress in the Christian life of those who make use of them.

Copy Policy:  These materials are copyrighted, but visitors are free to download and utilize them with the following restrictions:

1) These materials may not be offered to others for a fee or otherwise sold under any circumstances. This is a grace ministry.

2) These materials may not be fundamentally changed or edited. I don't mind honest excerption, but alteration of meaning is not allowed.

3) These materials may not be represented as the work of others. You don't have to cite me; you may use these lessons anonymously, but please don't pass them off as you own materials.

In sum, this site is meant for the glory of God through the edification and growth of His children. Any use of its materials for personal profit, aggrandizement or other personal agendas is not authorized.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2011, 07:36:38 pm
I understand - gleaming through his work, he seems pretty solid overall.

However, pt I was trying to make is that it seems like everyone around me in my neck of the woods just does NOT want to hear about the signs of the times we're living in. They're responses are, "Don't be so obsessed about the end times", "But they've been saying every era Jesus is coming back, but never did", "But the economy has been like this every now and then", "But we've had false prophets every era", etc, etc. Even worse, those I know that attend churches yoked up with Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have bought into New Age stuff like the Message Bible(Eugene Petersen, the translator of it, completely warped an end times passage in Matthew 24 to make it look like ONLY "doomsday prophets" are the deceivers).

Anyhow, like said, he seems like a pretty decent guy with decent info, but just wanted to say beware of those that keep hinting "The lord delayeth his coming..." messages.(like mentioned in the above paragraph) When this guy mentioned 2026, an alarm bell came off in my head, that's all.



Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2011, 04:29:32 am
I understand - gleaming through his work, he seems pretty solid overall.

However, pt I was trying to make is that it seems like everyone around me in my neck of the woods just does NOT want to hear about the signs of the times we're living in. They're responses are, "Don't be so obsessed about the end times", "But they've been saying every era Jesus is coming back, but never did", "But the economy has been like this every now and then", "But we've had false prophets every era", etc, etc. Even worse, those I know that attend churches yoked up with Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have bought into New Age stuff like the Message Bible(Eugene Petersen, the translator of it, completely warped an end times passage in Matthew 24 to make it look like ONLY "doomsday prophets" are the deceivers).

Anyhow, like said, he seems like a pretty decent guy with decent info, but just wanted to say beware of those that keep hinting "The lord delayeth his coming..." messages.(like mentioned in the above paragraph) When this guy mentioned 2026, an alarm bell came off in my head, that's all.

2 Pet 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 04, 2011, 09:04:18 am
2 Pet 3:3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Just gleaming from the link this guy put together on how the tribulation and the 6K years plays out...again, I'm not calling out this guy as a false teacher or anything, but one problem I did see in his analysis was that there were times he tried to put 2 and 2 together, but ended up trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. For example, he uses 2033 b/c it's 2000 years from 33 AD(when Jesus resurrected after his cruxifixion). However, when he counted down from Abraham to Adam, he said it was only APPROXIMATELY 2000 years. OK, first of all, he said the years pretty much have to be exactly, so why couldn't he find an exact 2000 years counting back from Abraham to Adam? And there were other times it looked like he tried to show certain bible passages to fit his analysis, but it looked off.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2011, 09:07:46 am
thats what date setters do.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 04, 2011, 04:48:04 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/unemployed-face-tough-competition-underemployed-160244144.html

Unemployed face tough competition: underemployed

WASHINGTON (AP) — The job market is even worse than the 9.1 percent unemployment rate suggests.

America's 14 million unemployed aren't competing just with each other. They must also contend with 8.8 million other people not counted as unemployed — part-timers who want full-time work.

When consumer demand picks up, companies will likely boost the hours of their part-timers before they add jobs, economists say. It means they have room to expand without hiring.

And the unemployed will face another source of competition once the economy improves: Roughly 2.6 million people who aren't counted as unemployed because they've stopped looking for work. Once they start looking again, they'll be classified as unemployed. And the unemployment rate could rise.

Intensified competition for jobs means unemployment could exceed its historic norm of 5 percent to 6 percent for several more years. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office expects the rate to exceed 8 percent until 2014. The White House predicts it will average 9 percent next year, when President Barack Obama runs for re-election.

The jobs crisis has led Obama to schedule a major speech Thursday night to propose steps to stimulate hiring. Republican presidential candidates will likely confront the issue in a debate the night before.

The back-to-back events will come days after the government said employers added zero net jobs in August. The monthly jobs report, arriving three days before Labor Day, was the weakest since September 2010.

Combined, the 14 million officially unemployed; the "underemployed" part-timers who want full-time work; and "discouraged" people who have stopped looking make up 16.2 percent of working-age Americans.

The Labor Department compiles the figure to assess how many people want full-time work and can't find it — a number the unemployment rate alone doesn't capture.

In a healthy economy, this broader measure of unemployment stays below 10 percent. Since the Great Recession officially ended more than two years ago, the rate has been 15 percent or more.

The proportion of the work force made up of the frustrated part-timers has risen faster than unemployment has since the recession began in December 2007.

That's because many companies slashed workers' hours after the recession hit. If they restored all those lost hours to their existing staff, they'd add enough hours to equal about 950,000 full-time jobs, according to calculations by Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute.

That's without having to hire a single employee.

No one expects every company to delay hiring until every part-timer is working full time. But economists expect job growth to stay weak for two or three more years in part because of how many frustrated part-timers want to work full time.

And because employers are still reluctant to increase hours for part-timers, "hiring is really a long way off," says Christine Riordan, a policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project. In August, employees of private companies worked fewer hours than in July.

Some groups are disproportionately represented among the broader category of unemployment that includes underemployed and discouraged workers. More than 26 percent of African Americans, for example, and nearly 22 percent of Hispanics are in this category. The figure for whites is less than 15 percent. Women are more likely than men to be in this group.

Among the Americans frustrated with part-time work is Ryan McGrath, 26. In October, he returned from managing a hotel project in Uruguay. He's been unable to find full-time work. So he's been freelancing as a website designer for small businesses in the Chicago area.

Some weeks he's busy and making money. Other times he struggles. He's living at home, and sometimes he has to borrow $50 from his father to pay bills. He's applied for "a million jobs."

"You go to all these interviews for entry-level positions, and you lose out every time," he says.

Nationally, 4.5 unemployed people, on average, are competing for each job opening. In a healthy economy, the average is about two per opening.

Facing rejection, millions give up and stop looking for jobs.

Norman Spaulding, 54, quit his job as a truck driver two years ago because he needed work that would let him care for his disabled 13-year-old daughter.

But after repeated rejections, Spaulding concluded a few weeks ago that the cost of driving to visit potential employers wasn't worth the expense. He suspended his job hunt.

He and his family are getting by on his daughter's disability check from Social Security. They're living in a trailer park on Texas' Gulf Coast.

"It costs more to look than we have to spend," he says.

Eventually, lots of Americans like Spaulding will start looking for jobs again. If those work-force dropouts had been counted as unemployed, August's unemployment rate would have been 10.6 percent instead of 9.1 percent.

Emma Draper, 23, lost her public relations job this summer. To pay the rent on her Washington apartment, she's working part time at the retailer South Moon Under. She's selling $120 Ralph Lauren swimsuits and other trendy clothes.

Her search for full-time work has been discouraging. Employers don't call back for months, if ever.

"You're basically on their timeline," Draper says. "It's really hard to find a job unless you know somebody who can give you an inside edge."

Retailers, in particular, favor part-timers. They value the flexibility of being able to tap extra workers during peak sales times without being overstaffed during lulls. Some use software to precisely match their staffing levels with customer traffic. It holds down their expenses.

"They know up to the minute how many people they need," says Carrie Gleason of the Retail Action Project, which advocates better working conditions for retail workers. "It's almost created a contingent work force."

Draper appreciates her part-time retail job, and not just because it helps pay the bills. It takes her mind off the frustration of searching for full-time work.

"Right now, finding a job is my job," she says. "If that was the only thing I had to do, I'd be going insane. There is only so much time you can sit at your computer, sending out resumes."

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Leonard reported from St. Louis. AP Business Writer Ellen Gibson in New York contributed to this report.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 05, 2011, 12:28:25 pm
Just gleaming from the link this guy put together on how the tribulation and the 6K years plays out...again, I'm not calling out this guy as a false teacher or anything, but one problem I did see in his analysis was that there were times he tried to put 2 and 2 together, but ended up trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. For example, he uses 2033 b/c it's 2000 years from 33 AD(when Jesus resurrected after his cruxifixion). However, when he counted down from Abraham to Adam, he said it was only APPROXIMATELY 2000 years. OK, first of all, he said the years pretty much have to be exactly, so why couldn't he find an exact 2000 years counting back from Abraham to Adam? And there were other times it looked like he tried to show certain bible passages to fit his analysis, but it looked off.

First off, BA, he states right from the get-go that it is a theory.  And he also states the many factors which also keep anyone from knowing the exact day or hour, i.e) differences in calendars over the years, no year 0 and others.  I have a feeling you haven't read the whole thing and that is fine, I knew his work would be problem for most on this board because of his post-trib stance and that he isn't a kjv only.  I had hoped that those two facts wouldn't keep anyone from at least admitting that time-line was within the same thoughts as the article Dok posted and was the only reason why I posted the time-line in the first place, concerning the 7,000 years of mankind's history.  Even that similarity should give us a certain time-frame for His coming without being considered a 'date-setter'.

It is a projection, not a specific prediction, in order to glean the season and times we are in.  Again, I feel giving a general time-line within years is a far cry from stating on this particular day, month and year, Jesus is coming back.  I believe that is why, as he states, very specific historical dates are given us within God's word.  It not only confirms historical evidence but also allows us to believe upon the prophecies given us so that we may prepare ourselves.  Another point is that God can change anything He pleases, whenever He pleases, and if we believe this, then any time period given is indeed only a projection and gleaning of the times, rather than an “I know the exact day, I am right, I am the end-all, be-all” in wisdom.”  Bob isn’t like this and does not propose to be. 

Even we, who have not even begun to dig as deep, know that the time is near and if we can, based on the political and world climate say this to ourselves, we could almost glean a specific time-period to which even we think He might come.  I don’t see a difference between what he states and what we might think in our own hearts concerning the times.   We’d be pretty hypocritical to guess in our own hearts and yet point the finger at someone who is only doing the same thing within the context of this particular study of the end times.  He puts the information out there for us to investigate, claims it is only a theory and isn’t plastering it all over the news or asking us to sell all of our belongings because we are about to be raptured.  Just because the Bible states:

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But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.  Mark 13:32

Does not mean that we shouldn’t be trying to figure it out.  Common sense tells each of us we could never know the exact day of our Lord’s coming, it can come any day, but we should be trying to discern the times and an approximate time-frame.

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54And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

 55And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

 56Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?
Luke 12:54-56

from Bob:

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On the issue of "2026": As I say in part 5 of the Satanic Rebellion series where this is covered in detail, this is not a prediction, only a projection based upon certain assumptions, which (while I personally believe them to be true) are not universally accepted; one hastens to add that God certainly has the authority not to follow the 1000 year pattern to the letter (even though it has been followed in the past pretty much in this way). See the portion entitled Specific Chronology of the Seven Days. As to the problem of different calendars, it is true that there is a difference between Gregorian and Julian, but not so much as several years. Certain parts of the Orthodox Church still have not adopted the Gregorian calendar and the difference after two millennia is about two weeks. More confusing for many is that there is no "year zero" so that between 2 B.C. and 2 A.D. there are only three years, not four. Another less well-known problem is that ancient systems of chronology tend to count inclusively - a problem aggravated by the fact that when one is calculating specific lengths of time (i.e., birth to death) which do not occur on the exact same date, the difficulty of partial years also arises (so that a third plus twenty plus a half can be reckoned as 20, 21 or 22, depending on the approach).

So your point is well taken that a shift of a few years in the projection given of 2026 could easily be appropriate even if the analysis is essentially accurate. Any of the assumptions listed at the link given above have that potential. Here's an example: If the date of the crucifixion is really 31 instead of 33 (as some others hold), and if there is no "overlap" in the case of the Tribulation (most do not see an overlap), the result would be 2031 (i.e., minus 2, plus 7). So I would urge you to have a look at the analysis provided in SR#5 (if you haven't already done so) – it will be easy to see how I came to the particular date of 2026 (even if you don't entirely agree).


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 05, 2011, 01:03:44 pm
For the record, I myself am post-trib(although it doesn't bother me if anyone else is pre-trib).

Anyhow, thank you for clearing this up, Believer - sometimes if a web site info has alot of things, I tend to gleam through them initially(especially if I'm busy with other things). But yeah, I think things are cleared up a bit here. Like I said earlier, he site has some good things.


Title: Re: END OF THE HARVEST ! THE LORD IS OPENING THE DOOR !!!
Post by: Believer on September 05, 2011, 04:44:02 pm
For the record, I myself am post-trib(although it doesn't bother me if anyone else is pre-trib).

Anyhow, thank you for clearing this up, Believer - sometimes if a web site info has alot of things, I tend to gleam through them initially(especially if I'm busy with other things). But yeah, I think things are cleared up a bit here. Like I said earlier, he site has some good things.

 :)