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Title: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Mark on January 09, 2011, 09:23:05 am
TEL-AVIV: Close to four years after suffering a massive hemorrhagic stroke, Dov Weisglass, who served as bureau chief to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, told Israel Radio’s Reshet Bet on Thursday that the former prime minister’s medical team indicates he may emerge from his coma soon.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/40940/Weisglass:+Sharon+May+Come+Out+of+His+Coma.html


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 10, 2011, 09:56:25 am
I was looking for where I posted a comment about Sharon some months ago or longer where I posed the possibility that Sharon would wake up and fully recover, only to be elected Prime Minister, and then be revealed as the Antichrist.

It's a huge stretch, but God knows. I suspect we'll see alot stranger things before all this is over.

"...whose deadly wound was healed..."

I remembered you said that-it was on the previous MB.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Gabriel on January 10, 2011, 10:19:31 am
woah, I never heard of this guy...... very interesting :)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 10, 2011, 10:33:53 am
woah, I never heard of this guy...... very interesting :)

what?? ?!!!!  Really?   ???  :o  ???


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Christian40 on January 10, 2011, 08:03:27 pm
The man is 82 years old. If he is the Antichrist he would have revealed himself by now? In January 2006 he suffered an internal "stroke" but that's not a "deadly wound". I really don't think that Ariel Sharon is the Antichrist. Though if he recovers he will have a small influence on the government in Israel.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 12, 2011, 08:07:04 am
Comatose former Israel PM Ariel Sharon 'responsive'

The personal doctor of Ariel Sharon says the comatose former Israeli prime minister responds to pinches and opens his eyes when spoken to.

Dr Shlomo Segev made the remarks in a programme broadcast on Saturday (local time) on Israeli television that coincided with the fifth anniversary of the massive stroke that incapacitated the ex-prime minister.

The 82-year-old Sharon is a former war hero who led Israel from 2001 until the 2006 stroke that left him comatose. Severe haemorrhaging caused significant brain damage and he has been in a vegetative state since. Former Sharon spokesman Raanan Gissin told The AP there has been no change in Sharon's condition.

Sharon was moved home in November, but Gissin said he has since been returned to the long-term care facility outside Tel Aviv for treatment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/4523701/Comatose-former-Israel-PM-Ariel-Sharon-responsive


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 25, 2012, 02:58:06 pm
Six Years After a Debilitating Stroke, Sharon Remains Responsive, His Son Says


 Ariel Sharon, who suffered a debilitating stroke nearly six years ago while serving as prime minister of Israel and remains in a coma-like state, responds to some requests and, despite being fed intravenously, has put on weight, according to his son Gilad Sharon.

“When he is awake, he looks at me and moves fingers when I ask him to,” Mr. Sharon said in a telephone interview. “I am sure he hears me.”

Details of Mr. Sharon’s health and status have been closely guarded by the family. His son agreed to discuss the matter as he prepares to publicize a biography of his father that he has finished after four and a half years.

rest: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/world/middleeast/6-years-after-stroke-ariel-sharon-still-responsive-son-says.html?pagewanted=all


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 25, 2012, 04:00:31 pm
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“When he is awake, he looks at me and moves fingers when I ask him to,”

THAT is not a coma, or a "coma-like state". That man is awake. Putting on weight? Yeah, he ain't in no coma that I'm familiar with.

And no, I don't really think ultimately he's the antichrist, but then, can he really be eliminated, or anyone else for that matter? Maybe the scripture is only metaphorical, and the deadly wound is actually a wound to an organization rather than to an indivdual? I say, nay, I do believe there will be an actual individual called The Antichrist, the "first beast" in Revelation. And the second beast is the "False Prophet".

Revelation 13 talks of the first beast that rises up out of the sea, with seven heads and ten horns. Ther second beast mention, from the earth, " and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Revelation 19:20 (KJB)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 27, 2012, 12:45:51 pm
I saw an episode of "NCIS" last night, and they showed a clip of (then)President Bush Jr having a live press conference with Sharon. It was one of the older episodes years ago. I then commented to my mom how Sharon is(still) in a coma now.

In this day and age, there's just so many lying signs and wonders popping all over the place - Jesus Christ said 2000 years ago that there will be wars, famines, earthquakes, and pestilences in the end times, but en yet, there are many false prophets arising showing lying signs and wonders, which Jesus warned about as well(I myself encounted one recently, as I posted in the Fellowship forum last month).

Yeah, not sure if he's the AC either, but who knows? Whether he is or not, he could very well awake out of his coma pretty soon, and just imagine all the press coverage it could get.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Christian40 on January 28, 2012, 03:23:04 am
Just saying, wouldn't the Antichrist try to be like Jesus to many? I dont see Sharon before the coma claiming to be the Antichrist. Plus look at how popular he was with Muslims :D. He is what 80+? he is a very poor type of Antichrist to me. Why not try someone younger. I hope the guy lives normally again and gets saved however.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Hischild on April 19, 2012, 01:51:56 am
Why not try someone younger.
  Like someone who was born June 6, 2006.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on April 19, 2012, 04:01:25 am
Jesus was the messiah 2000 years ago and still is today. Jesus will return when Israel asks him to after repenting and recognizing him for who he is.

Matthew 23:
37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39: For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


But this is not until the end of the trib. The house of Israel must be tested and dwindled until there is only a remnant of believers left. So i think this rabbi was given a vision of the coming antichrist who will proclaim himself Jesus.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 26, 2013, 09:51:48 am
Former PM Sharon shows positive signs in MRI
Jan 26, 2013 Ex-aide to Ariel Sharon says there was some kind of positive indication in brain scans performed on comatose former PM.
Brain scans performed on former prime minister Ariel Sharon this week suggested there was a chance for some improvement in his condition.
Gilad Sharon said that his father was "responsive and gaining weight."
"When he is awake, he looks at me and moves his fingers when I ask him to,” Gilad Sharon told the Times. “I am sure he hears me.”
Ariel Sharon, 84, has been in a coma since his second stroke, in January 2006. (His first stroke took place the previous month.)
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=300995


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 27, 2013, 01:38:35 am
That article reads like the one in this thread from 2011, almost word for word. They lifted a story from 2 years ago and are trying to make it look like a new article? Strange.

That quote is a nearly an exact copy from the original article.
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"When he is awake, he looks at me and moves his fingers when I ask him to,” Gilad Sharon told the Times. “I am sure he hears me.”


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 27, 2013, 07:49:33 pm
Well, this news story is currently #8 on the Yahoo tracker...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21225929

Ariel Sharon: Israeli ex-PM in coma 'has brain activity'

Ariel Sharon, the former Israeli prime minister who has been in a coma for seven years, has shown significant signs of brain activity, doctors say.

A team of Israeli and American scientists say new tests showed he responded to external stimuli.

The activity increased when he was being shown pictures of his family and played a recording of his son's voice.

The 84-year-old has been in a coma since 2006, when he suffered a massive stroke.

Since then, he has been in a vegetative state, connected to a respirator.

'Encouraging signs'

The doctors at Soroka Hospital in Beersheba said that during tests, "significant brain activity was observed... indicating appropriate processing of these stimulations."

While the responses did not mean Mr Sharon was likely to fully regain consciousness, doctors said they were "encouraging".

Alon Friedman, a neurological director at Israel's Soroka Medical Centre in Beersheba, said the findings suggested that even in Mr Sharon's comatose state, "he might be listening, and some important information goes into his brain and is being processed".

Mr Sharon was a storied military officer who fought in three wars before entering politics.

He was admired by many Israelis as a great military leader, but reviled by Palestinians.

He was elected prime minister in 2001, pledging to achieve "security and true peace", and served until his stroke in 2006.

In 2005, he unilaterally withdrew Israeli troops and settlers from Gaza.

Mr Sharon was a keen promoter of the expansion of the building and expansion of settlements in the occupied territories. He also initiated the construction of the separation barrier along the border and inside the West Bank.

But late in his career, despite fierce opposition in Israel, he ordered Jewish settlers to leave Gaza and four settlements in the West Bank.

As defence minister, Mr Sharon masterminded Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. During the invasion, Lebanese Christian militiamen allied to Israel massacred hundreds of Palestinians in two refugee camps under Israeli control.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 19, 2013, 10:00:48 am
Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/sharon-was-about-to-leave-two-thirds-of-the-west-bank/

2/19/13

Sharon was about to leave two-thirds of the West Bank’

Prime minister was drafting plan for a unilateral pullout when he fell ill, says his former adviser Rafi Eitan, and Netanyahu should tell Obama he’s ready for similar ‘mosaic separation’


US President Barack Obama is due to arrive in Israel for his first presidential visit in March, and speculation abounds surrounding the true intent of his trip. Rafi Eitan, a former high-ranking Mossad official and government minister under Ehud Olmert — banned from the US since the capture of his most famous agent, Jonathan Pollard — says Netanyahu should await the president with a diplomatic proposal of his own: unilateral disengagement from the West Bank.
 
Former prime minister Ariel Sharon, who was advised by Eitan for years, was engaged in drafting exactly such a plan, which would include the annexation of roughly one-third of the West Bank to Israel, when he suffered a debilitating stroke in January 2006, Eitan told The Times of Israel.
 
At 86, Eitan — a long-time intelligence operative who oversaw the capture of Adolf Eichmann in 1960, and had a late-life improbable career as a cabinet minister and head of the Gil Pensioners party in the Knesset from 2006-9 —  is as sharp and eloquent as ever. This slight man, with his trademark thick-rimmed glasses, did not mince his words when speaking of what he perceives as fatal American mistakes in handling the “Arab Spring” — particularly at that crucial moment in June 2012 when the administration could have imposed a secular president on Egypt, Ahmad Shafiq — and by doing so change the course of that country’s history.
 
Relating to the Ben Zygier Mossad suicide scandal, Eitan said he believes that holding prisoners in solitary confinement may be justifiable if the secrets they divulge can potentially harm Israel’s national security. He refused to address the specifics of the Zygier case, but said that a number of prisoners have been held in similar conditions in the past; their names have all since been revealed by the media.
 
Israel should withdraw from the West Bank, even without a Palestinian partner
 
A month before prime minister Sharon suffered a stroke, in January 2006, he was on the phone with Eitan. Four months after Israel’s unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip, the two discussed a preliminary plan to leave the West Bank as well, while maintaining the maximum number of Israeli settlements under Israeli control.
 
“Sharon knew that we must disengage from the Palestinians in the West Bank too; that we can’t continue occupying a foreign people,” Eitan told The Times of Israel.
 
Sharon dubbed his plan “the mosaic separation,” because it left most Israeli settlements intact, allowing isolated Palestinian villages access to large urban centers through an intricate system of underpasses and tunnels.
 
“Arik [Sharon] said: Let’s divide Judea and Samaria and take roughly one-third for ourselves, leaving two-thirds for the Arabs,” Eitan said. “Under this plan, the Jordan Valley and the Judean Desert would remain ours.”
 
With the Palestinian body politic divided today between Gaza and the West Bank — while internal rifts within the PLO prevent “even the signing of an interim agreement” — Eitan said he would advise Netanyahu to implement the Sharon plan immediately.
 
“We must disconnect from them [the Palestinians] as much as possible,” Eitan said, adding that he would even favor a plan attributed to former foreign minister Avigdor Liberman of handing over the area known as “the Triangle” in northwest Israel — with its 300,000 Arab citizens — to the future Palestinian state.

Allowing Morsi to win in Egypt was ‘stupidity that will resonate for generations’
 
The military unequivocally decided that [Ahmed] Shafiq will be president, not [Mohammed] Morsi,” Eitan told The Times of Israel. “But the Americans put all the pressure on. The announcement [of the president] was delayed by three or four days because of this struggle.”
 
Immediately after Egypt’s presidential elections in June 2012, Eitan spoke to unnamed local officials, who told him that with a mere 5,000-vote advantage for Islamist candidate Morsi, the military was prepared to announce the victory of his adversary Shafiq, a secular military man closely associated with the Mubarak regime.
 
But secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Eitan said, decided to favor democracy at all costs and disallow any falsification of the vote
.
 
“This is idiocy. An act of stupidity that will resonate for generations,” Eitan said. I also thought Mubarak should be replaced, but I believed the Americans would be smart enough to replace him with the next figure. Mubarak would have agreed to that, but the Americans didn’t want that; they wanted democracy. But there is no real democracy in the Arab world at the moment. It will take a few generations to develop.
 
“The United States is a real democracy. But for the past 50 years I’ve been saying that when it comes to dealing with small nations, the Americans are a foolish nation.”

more


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on February 19, 2013, 02:07:57 pm
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“The United States is a real democracy. But for the past 50 years I’ve been saying that when it comes to dealing with small nations, the Americans are a foolish nation.”

No, it is not a democracy, even though it's been run like one. And yes, America as a country is just as foolish as any other nation.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2013, 03:44:37 am
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon undergoes preplanned surgery, condition unchanged - @AP

He is getting a new feeding tube


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 04, 2013, 10:17:09 am
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon undergoes preplanned surgery, condition unchanged - @AP

He is getting a new feeding tube

Well, not saying he's the AC or anything(don't think he is), but nonetheless they seem to be keeping a close eye on him.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2013, 11:38:29 am
this is our number 1 thread.

Top 10 Topics (by Views)
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Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 02, 2014, 06:28:47 am
Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon Fighting for Life as Organs Fail

After being in a coma since 2006, the health of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has deteriorated dramatically, and doctors say he is suffering from life-threatening vital organ failure.
 
His family members have gathered in a vigil by his bedside, Israeli media reported on Thursday.

Sheba Medical Center Director Zeev Rotstein said that the 85-year-old former leader is experiencing failure of multiple “organs that are vital to life.”
 
“We define his condition as critical. His life is definitely in danger,” Rotstein said according to quotes published in the Times of Israel on Thursday.
 
“The danger [to Sharon's life] exists, [but] as we know, Arik [Sharon] is a powerful man and has survived difficult situations during his time in our hospital,” he said of the former prime minister, who has been hospitalized for seven years in a vegetative state.
 
“I’m no prophet, but the feeling among the doctors treating him and the family by his side… is that he has taken a turn for the worse,” Rotstein added.
 
Among Sharon’s failing organs are his kidneys, but he is not receiving dialysis treatment, as it is not recommended for a patient with multiple organ failure, the hospital director added. The former prime minister had been given antibiotics for infections in recent weeks.
 
Sharon has been in a coma since he suffered a massive brain hemorrhage in January 2006 believed to have been caused by the blood thinners he was taking after a smaller stroke.
 
The Associated Press described Sharon as “one of Israel’s most iconic and controversial figures.”
 
It offered this biographical information on the former prime minister:


As one of Israel’s most famous generals, Sharon was known for bold tactics and an occasional refusal to obey orders. As a politician he became known as “the bulldozer” — a man contemptuous of his critics while also capable of getting things done.
 
Sharon is credited with helping turn the tide of the 1973 Mideast war when Arab armies launched a surprise attack on Israel on the solemn fasting day of Yom Kippur, causing large Israeli casualties. He led an Israeli force across the Suez Canal, trapping part of the Egyptian army and turning the war in Israel’s favor.
 
Sharon was defense minister, leading Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon. He was forced to resign after an Israeli commission of inquiry said he was responsible for failing to prevent the massacre of Palestinians living in Beirut’s Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps. Lebanese Christian Phalangists had carried out the killings.
 
During his tenure as prime minister, Sharon agreed to an Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip, a decision that is controversial to this day. Hamas later seized power of Gaza and has regularly used the land strip to launch missiles at southern Israel. Years prior, Sharon had been a leading voice for settling Israelis in lands Israel captured during the 1967 war, including Judea and Samaria (the West Bank.)
 
After the brain hemorrhage, Sharon never regained full consciousness, but his family says that he occasionally blinks his eyes and moves his fingers, the AP reported

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/02/former-israeli-prime-minister-ariel-sharon-fighting-for-life-as-organs-fail/


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 02, 2014, 06:31:33 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERl3KJrR3i8


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 02, 2014, 06:50:41 am
The Rabbi, the Note and the Messiah

This is a reprint of a cover story that first appeared in the April 2007 issue of Israel Today Magazine

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:

 
Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.
 
This I have signed in the month of mercy,
 
Yitzhak Kaduri
 
The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads:

Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

 ירים העם ויוכיח שדברו ותורתו עומדים

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus יהושוע . Yehoshua and Yeshua are effectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua (ישוע) son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua (יהושוע) son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho (הו), in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma’ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.

Jewish readers responded on the websites’ forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic.

In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, 80, the son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died. “It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note. During a night-time meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (www.kaduri.net) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].” David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Kaduri’s Portrayal of the Messiah

A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.) Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah. His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:

 
“It is hard for many good people in the society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fulfilled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”
 
Farewell to a ‘Tsadik’

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to his final resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23877/Default.aspx


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 02, 2014, 01:17:43 pm
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He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death.

We shall see.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 02, 2014, 01:23:03 pm
We shall see.

im thinking the Yeshua that shows up is the false Yeshua


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 02, 2014, 02:10:26 pm
Well, we know it won't be the real one! The fake one has to make an appearance before Jesus makes His final appearance.

But how "prophetic" is it to say such a claim? Odds are that would be true, especially if you think the arrival is many years away. Odds are Sharon would die before this messiah shows. Wasn't much of a stretch if you ask me.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 02, 2014, 02:21:46 pm
I think that after 2000 years they Jews are talking about and looking for a messiah is awesome. Things are moving so fast right now, its almost impossible to keep up with everything that is happening around the world. I expect the Lord to call us home at any second....  :)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 02, 2014, 02:52:00 pm
"Behold, I have told you before." Matthew 24:25 (KJB)

"Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?" 2 Thessalonians 2:5 (KJB)



Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 04, 2014, 06:16:08 am
Ariel Sharon in 'critical condition': Former Israeli Prime Minister's health deteriorates further as blood infection detected

The health of the former Israeli Prime Minister Arial Sharon is deteriorating further, in a situation that hospital staff said does not “give good signs for the future”. The director of the hospital treating the 85-year-old has confirmed that Mr Sharon’s key organs continued to decline on Friday, but he is not in pain.   

rest: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/ariel-sharon-in-critical-condition-health-deteriorates-further-as-blood-infection-detected-9037599.html


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 04, 2014, 01:56:28 pm
im thinking the Yeshua that shows up is the false Yeshua

If you are referring to the Antichrist, I don't think he'll come using the name 'Jesus' or 'Yeshua' or anything like that.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

He'll 100% try to connect himself to Jesus (I suspect through the Shroud of Turin and the Merovingian bloodline heresy) but I don't think he'll use the name.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 04, 2014, 02:14:52 pm
If you are referring to the Antichrist, I don't think he'll come using the name 'Jesus' or 'Yeshua' or anything like that.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

He'll 100% try to connect himself to Jesus (I suspect through the Shroud of Turin and the Merovingian bloodline heresy) but I don't think he'll use the name.

why not? the word Antichrist means in place of, so the Antichrist will come and proclaim himself the Messiah. so really what is to stop him from using that name? Even Islam is looking for a "Yeshua" to come back and help their messiah. And here you have Israel's chief Rabbi saying the name of the comming messiah is Yeshua... just saying...


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 04, 2014, 06:35:07 pm
why not? the word Antichrist means in place of, so the Antichrist will come and proclaim himself the Messiah. so really what is to stop him from using that name? Even Islam is looking for a "Yeshua" to come back and help their messiah. And here you have Israel's chief Rabbi saying the name of the comming messiah is Yeshua... just saying...

Well, for one, Jesus Himself said that he (the Antichrist) will come in his own name (meaning not in the name of the Lord: Jesus' name means "Jehovah saves")

Also, using the name of Jesus doesn't seem like Satan's M.O. Satan wants the glory... all of it. I see the name Lucifer or Sol Invictus being elevated, not Jesus' name. Something that can be connected to all religions equally, not just one. This is where Zeitgeist comes in.

If they can convince everyone that aliens developed all of their religions based on an esoteric "cycle of astrological ages" around the sun and that each religion's respective god and messiah-figure is just a representation of the sun (which for every religion except Biblical Christianity can be alluded to), then everyone will get on the same page and worship the same individual as messiah of all religions.

Remember that theosophy, new age and Zeitgeist teach that the Biblical account of Jesus is done for EVERY savior of every religion. Jesus, to them, is just another one of the "solar avatars", and not unique or special. I see the Antichrist receiving his wound and dying on the winter solstice (Dec. 21, shortest day of the year) being dead for 3 days (Dec. 22-24 sun at lowest point in the sky) and being "resurrected" on Dec. 25 (sun moves 1 degree up), the day Romans celebrated as the "birth of the Unconquered Sun". Remember that the Saturnalia is supposed to mimic the conditions of Saturn's (the sun-star) Golden Age. One tradition about the Golden Age is that there were no laws. Aleister Crowley commented that in the Aeon of Horus "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Zeitgeist pushes the Venus Project run by Jacques Fresco. Fresco has for a long time advocated the idea of abolishing laws.

Wow! Sorry, I went on a tirade there. If I ever find time to put it into a cohesive post, I'll make a thread about it.

Anyway, Islamic prophecy has a tendency to be spiritualized. An example is the Dajjal: He is blind in his right eye but sees from his left. He is blind conservatively, but sees liberally (Barack Hussein Obama, whose name is 18 letters [18 = 6 + 6 + 6, but not six hundred sixty six], who the NWO is pushing to appear to be the Antichrist)

Didn't someone say that Catholic pope Francis is a "modern-day Jesus?" Muslims love him, too. I could see him as the sidekick to the Antichrist (whom they believe their false Jesus, Isa, will be for the Mahdi) It even fits what Bill Lambert said about the Catholic pope being a "proper receptor" to the New Age Christ.

All in all, it could just be that the rabbi literally believed Jesus is Messiah. I don't remember too much about that story, just that he wrote it on a napkin or piece of paper and they couldn't read it for a year.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 05, 2014, 02:59:29 am
Actually, "antichrist" means in opposition to, the opposite of, not in place of. I know that might sound like splitting hairs, but there is a big difference.

Anyway, to add my thoughts, I don't see the Antichrist using the name Jesus...

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." Daniel 11:37 (KJB)

This creature will show up tooting his own horn so to speak, seeing he doesn't regard any god. He may well have some kind of respect for the world's religions as all being equal or something, but he won't promote any religions but himself. To call himself Jesus, while that would be kind of obvious, I don't think he will. I think he will elevate himself above all the world's "masters". And sorry Islam, but your relegated to the back row right along with all the other world religions, as far as the Antichrist is concerned.

That rabbi claimed in the short note that the Messiah would show up after the death of Ariel Sharon, and that the messiah is Yeshua. Basically, his claim of Yeshua is a direct accusation against Judaism of killing Jesus. I don't believe he was, by the note, saying he had accepted Jesus as Saviour. Even the devils believe and know Jesus is real, but acknowledging Him as Messiah doesn't mean you've repented.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 05, 2014, 03:07:30 am
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“It is hard for many good people in the society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fulfilled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”

Read that again. Look at how similar this guy's description is to what is said in scripture about the Antichrist. And how he says "people will wonder and say..."

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" Revelation 13:4 (KJB)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 05, 2014, 03:53:53 am
Actually, "antichrist" means in opposition to, the opposite of, not in place of. I know that might sound like splitting hairs, but there is a big difference.



Etymology

The word "antichrist" is made up of two roots: αντί (anti) + Χριστός (Khristos). "Αντί" can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of",[3] "Χριστός", translated "Christ", is Greek for the Hebrew "Messiah". Both literally mean "Anointed One", and refer to Jesus of Nazareth[4] within Christian, Islamic and Messianic Jewish theology.

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Short Definition: antichrist
Definition: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

 :)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 05, 2014, 05:08:09 am
Well, for one, Jesus Himself said that he (the Antichrist) will come in his own name (meaning not in the name of the Lord: Jesus' name means "Jehovah saves")

Also, using the name of Jesus doesn't seem like Satan's M.O. Satan wants the glory... all of it. I see the name Lucifer or Sol Invictus being elevated, not Jesus' name. Something that can be connected to all religions equally, not just one. This is where Zeitgeist comes in.

If they can convince everyone that aliens developed all of their religions based on an esoteric "cycle of astrological ages" around the sun and that each religion's respective god and messiah-figure is just a representation of the sun (which for every religion except Biblical Christianity can be alluded to), then everyone will get on the same page and worship the same individual as messiah of all religions.

Remember that theosophy, new age and Zeitgeist teach that the Biblical account of Jesus is done for EVERY savior of every religion. Jesus, to them, is just another one of the "solar avatars", and not unique or special. I see the Antichrist receiving his wound and dying on the winter solstice (Dec. 21, shortest day of the year) being dead for 3 days (Dec. 22-24 sun at lowest point in the sky) and being "resurrected" on Dec. 25 (sun moves 1 degree up), the day Romans celebrated as the "birth of the Unconquered Sun". Remember that the Saturnalia is supposed to mimic the conditions of Saturn's (the sun-star) Golden Age. One tradition about the Golden Age is that there were no laws. Aleister Crowley commented that in the Aeon of Horus "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Zeitgeist pushes the Venus Project run by Jacques Fresco. Fresco has for a long time advocated the idea of abolishing laws.

Wow! Sorry, I went on a tirade there. If I ever find time to put it into a cohesive post, I'll make a thread about it.

Anyway, Islamic prophecy has a tendency to be spiritualized. An example is the Dajjal: He is blind in his right eye but sees from his left. He is blind conservatively, but sees liberally (Barack Hussein Obama, whose name is 18 letters [18 = 6 + 6 + 6, but not six hundred sixty six], who the NWO is pushing to appear to be the Antichrist)

Didn't someone say that Catholic pope Francis is a "modern-day Jesus?" Muslims love him, too. I could see him as the sidekick to the Antichrist (whom they believe their false Jesus, Isa, will be for the Mahdi) It even fits what Bill Lambert said about the Catholic pope being a "proper receptor" to the New Age Christ.

All in all, it could just be that the rabbi literally believed Jesus is Messiah. I don't remember too much about that story, just that he wrote it on a napkin or piece of paper and they couldn't read it for a year.

did you read what you wrote?

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Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 05, 2014, 05:47:56 pm
did you read what you wrote?

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hello?  :D :)

What about it?


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 06, 2014, 01:25:43 am
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The word "antichrist" is made up of two roots: αντί (anti) + Χριστός (Khristos). "Αντί" can mean not only "against" and "opposite of", but also "in place of",...

I guess we are both correct. It has my definition, then it says "but also..." which means that particular use is not the normal, but it is used.  ;)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 06, 2014, 01:33:20 pm
If God wills!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/06/doctors-say-former-israel-pm-ariel-sharon-condition-will-likely-get-worse-and/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/06/doctors-say-former-israel-pm-ariel-sharon-condition-will-likely-get-worse-and/?intcmp=latestnews)

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Doctors say former Israel PM Ariel Sharon's condition will likely 'get worse and worse'

Published January 06, 2014
Associated Press   

JERSUSALEM –  The medical condition of Israel's former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is deteriorating further and only "a miracle" could stop the decline, the head of the hospital treating him said Monday.

Dr. Zeev Rotstein, director of the Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv, said the comatose Sharon remained in a life-threatening condition.

"Unless there is a turn on the level of a miracle, his condition will get worse and worse from day to day," Rotstein told reporters at the hospital.

He said that though doctors managed to stabilize some of Sharon's bodily functions, several vital organs, including his kidneys, are still in a decline.

Sharon, 85, has been in a coma for eight years after a devastating stroke incapacitated him at the peak of his political power.

The hospital announced last week his health had dramatically worsened.

Sharon was one of Israel's most iconic and controversial figures and his career stretched across Israel's 65-year history.

As one of Israel's most famous generals, he was known for bold tactics and an occasional refusal to obey orders. As a politician, he became known as "the bulldozer" -- a man contemptuous of his critics while also capable of getting things done.

He was elected prime minister in 2001.



Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 08, 2014, 05:20:24 am
What about it?

UHM... you said he wouldnt come in Jesus's name, but all those examples you gave were of suspected antichrists using Jesus's name.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 08, 2014, 07:48:14 pm
UHM... you said he wouldnt come in Jesus's name, but all those examples you gave were of suspected antichrists using Jesus's name.

Not really. He's a counterfeit messiah, and they'll try to link him like crazy to Jesus (again, probably through the Shroud of Turin and the Merovingian bloodline stuff), but he won't use Jesus' name. He has to be able to connect himself to all religions. The name Jesus would be seen as "too exclusive". It has to be more all-encompassing, since the Antichrist will present himself as everything to all people. So I think he'll use his own given name (whatever it ends up being), but will be given titles like "Lucifer", "Apollo", "Christ" and "Unconquered Sun".

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 09, 2014, 05:21:06 am
which is what i said.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 09, 2014, 06:16:34 am
 ???

No, you said he would literally use the name 'Jesus'.

Well, no matter, it's not important.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Mark on January 09, 2014, 06:27:41 am
???

No, you said he would literally use the name 'Jesus'.

Well, no matter, it's not important.

this is what i said,

im thinking the Yeshua that shows up is the false Yeshua

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Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 09, 2014, 12:42:29 pm
I can't help but feel after reading recent dialog in more than one thread between you two, that I have seen this before from somebody else besides Fervor. Your debate style is really familiar.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits"


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 09, 2014, 03:21:47 pm
Hours left?...

http://news.yahoo.com/condition-ex-israel-pm-sharon-worsens-hospital-153226480.html (http://news.yahoo.com/condition-ex-israel-pm-sharon-worsens-hospital-153226480.html)

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Condition of ex-Israel PM Sharon worsens: hospital

Jerusalem (AFP) - The health of former Israeli premier Ariel Sharon has worsened over the past hours, hospital officials said on Thursday, describing him as being in "extremely critical" condition.

"Over the past hours, there has been a worsening of the condition of former prime minister Ariel Sharon. His condition is described as extremely critical and his family is at his side all the time," said a statement from Sheba hospital near Tel Aviv where he is being treated.

Sharon has been in a coma since January 4, 2006 after suffering a massive stroke, but his condition took a sudden turn for the worse on January 1 when he suffered serious kidney problems after surgery.

Hospital sources quoted by army radio said the former premier only had "a few days or even hours" left.

On Sunday hospital director Zeev Rotstein said Sharon was facing "imminent" death. (cont.)


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 09, 2014, 08:24:13 pm
Mark,

You also said this:

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so really what is to stop him from using that name? Even Islam is looking for a "Yeshua" to come back and help their messiah. And here you have Israel's chief Rabbi saying the name of the comming messiah is Yeshua... just saying...

Hence why I thought you were implying he'd literally use the name 'Jesus' or 'Yeshua'. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

I can't help but feel after reading recent dialog in more than one thread between you two, that I have seen this before from somebody else besides Fervor. Your debate style is really familiar.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits"

...

Are you saying I debate similarly to this person, or that I'm literally this person?

Is that a good or bad thing?


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 10, 2014, 02:20:27 am
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Are you saying I debate similarly to this person, or that I'm literally this person?

Is that a good or bad thing?

Yes, it's familiar. Literally a certain person from the past? Don't know, but the truth will come out, of that I have no doubt. Scripture does that to people.

Good or bad? Depends on who you are. If you are the type person I'm thinking, based on your posts of doctrine and understanding, no it's not good. I'm just being honest. Something isn't right from what I've read. The unction I'm getting from the Holy One is telling me to pay attention, something is amiss.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 10, 2014, 08:31:11 pm
Yes, it's familiar. Literally a certain person from the past? Don't know, but the truth will come out, of that I have no doubt. Scripture does that to people.

Well, I'm certainly not someone who used to post here. Mark can check my IP address and confirm that if needed.

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Good or bad? Depends on who you are. If you are the type person I'm thinking, based on your posts of doctrine and understanding, no it's not good. I'm just being honest. Something isn't right from what I've read. The unction I'm getting from the Holy One is telling me to pay attention, something is amiss.

What would that be? Not trying to be contentious (really, I'm not) I am curious as to what you see "isn't right", though. I'm not perfect by any means, but if I'm getting all cooky about something, I'd rather someone tell me.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: Kilika on January 11, 2014, 03:14:58 am
Okay, fair enough. What isn't right, is your doctrine. It comes across as somebody we've debated here before. Not saying it was you, but your debate style/doctrine is really similar. We've had issues with both a Catholic and a Jehovah Witness, and both seemed to act a lot like you. That's about as honest and meek as I can be.

So, if not, then what be your denomination or churchianity upbringing? I apparently missed it.


Title: Re: ARIEL SHARON "WAKING UP"
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 11, 2014, 04:34:54 am
Okay, fair enough. What isn't right, is your doctrine. It comes across as somebody we've debated here before. Not saying it was you, but your debate style/doctrine is really similar. We've had issues with both a Catholic and a Jehovah Witness, and both seemed to act a lot like you. That's about as honest and meek as I can be.

The second bolded part  :(

What exactly is wrong about my doctrine? And specifically what portion of doctrine? Salvation? Prophecy understanding? Post-salvation living? Etc.

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So, if not, then what be your denomination or churchianity upbringing? I apparently missed it.

I'm not gonna go over my entire testimony in detail but as an overview of where I've been:

I was raised Roman Catholic until the age of 15, then became agnostic (bouncing between different religions) until I settled into new age for a year. Sometime in January of 2009 I was watching some Alex Jones videos (funny how compatible the two are) when I came across a video about hell. I couldn't tell you why that video was there in the "recommended for you" section of YouTube, but I watched it and it scared me straight. I got saved that day. Now I admit, I got caught up in false doctrine early on (the original video about hell I saw was by Spiritually Smart. I don't even know if he's still around, but Spiritually Smart and TheForerunner [yikes!] were my first exposure to the King James Bible, albeit not correctly discerned), but thankfully God pulled me away from it once I bought a KJV and started reading it for myself. I still was very much young in the faith and did very little for God the first year or two, though. It wasn't until I got out of my parents house that I started to truly witness verbally and pass out gospel tracts.


Title: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Mark on January 11, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Former prime minister Ariel Sharon dies at 85, funeral at Negev ranch set for Monday

Former prime minister Ariel Sharon died on Saturday at Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer, days after his condition deteriorated dramatically.

haron would have turned 86 next month. His family gathered at the hospital to be with him in his final moments. His sons Omri and and Gilad had been by his side since his condition deteriorated on January 1.

Gilad Sharon reacted to the death of his father on Saturday, saying that "he went when he decided to go."

Gilad Sharon thanked the medical staff at Sheba Medical Center and thanked all of those who had prayed for the former prime minister.

Professor Shlomo Noy, the director of the Rehabilitation  Unit at Sheba Medical Center, officially announced Sharon's death at a press conference.

Noi stated that Sharon had continued to fight for his life in the past week as his health further deteriorated "against all odds."

He added that, on Saturday, Sharon's heart had weakened and he "peacefully separated from his family."

Sharon will be laid in state at the Knesset Sunday from noon to 6 p.m., during which the public is invited to pay their respects to Israel's 11th premier.

A memorial service will be held in the Knesset Monday at 10 a.m. followed by a funeral at 2:30 p.m. on his Negev ranch, where he will be laid to rest beside his wife Lily. who died in 2000.

Sharon's vital organs failed, including his kidneys and his lungs. His blood pressure and heartbeat, which returned to normal on Monday, deteriorated again on Thursday. Hospital officials said others in his condition would not have lasted as long as he did.

Media from around the world gathered at the hospital to deliver the news as soon as Sharon's passing was formally announced.

Sharon's career ended in January 2006 when he suffered a debilitating stroke, his second in under a month. Since then, he has been in a coma on life support systems.

Sheba director Ze'ev Rotstein said Monday that only a miracle could save Sharon's life. A day earlier Rotstein said that Sharon, whose first name means lion in Hebrew, was "fighting like a lion."

Sharon was one of Israel’s legendary politicians and military leaders. He played an instrumental role in IDF victories in the Sinai desert in both the 1967 Six Day War and in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. His victories on the battlefield, immortalized by the image of him in an IDF uniform with a white bandage wrapped around his wounded forehead, earned him the title, “Arik, King of Israel.”

He was equally fearless in the political arena, where he was the father of two parties, Likud and Kadima. As defense minister in 1982, he oversaw the Lebanon War before he was ousted from office in 1983 as a result of the Sabra and Shatilla massacre for which the Kahn Commission of Inquiry found him indirectly responsible.

But he returned to politics. As construction and housing minister from 1990 to 1992, he was responsible for a massive building effort of 144,000 apartments to house the flood of Russian-speaking immigrants from the former Soviet Union bloc. As the father of the settlement movement, he was also instrumental in building thousands of homes in Judea and Samaria and is famous for urging right-wing activists “to run for the hilltops.”

He rose to the post of foreign minister in 1998. In September 2000, as the head of the Likud party, his walk on the Temple Mount was cited by Palestinians as the trigger for the second intifada.

He was elected prime minister in 2001 and under his leadership Israel began to build its security barrier in the West Bank.

He was famous for the slogan “The fate of Netzarim [a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip] is the fate of Tel Aviv.” But as prime minister, he formulated and executed the disengagement, in which Israel evacuated 21 Gaza settlements along with another four in northern Samaria. In 2005, he left the Likud in anger, choosing to create Kadima with Shimon Peres, Ehud Olmert and Livni.

After his stroke, Kadima went on to win the 2006 election under Olmert’s leadership.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Former-prime-minister-Ariel-Sharon-dies-at-85-337662


Title: Re: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: FervorForFaith on January 11, 2014, 07:42:43 pm
It's unfortunate that he died lost. :(

Well, in any case, things could get mighty interesting from here on out, methinks.


Title: Re: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Kilika on January 12, 2014, 02:32:12 am
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What exactly is wrong about my doctrine? And specifically what portion of doctrine? Salvation? Prophecy understanding? Post-salvation living? Etc.

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So, if not, then what be your denomination or churchianity upbringing? I apparently missed it.

I'm not gonna go over my entire testimony in detail but as an overview of where I've been:

I was raised Roman Catholic until the age of 15, then became agnostic (bouncing between different religions) until I settled into new age for a year. Sometime in January of 2009 I was watching some Alex Jones videos (funny how compatible the two are) when I came across a video about hell. I couldn't tell you why that video was there in the "recommended for you" section of YouTube, but I watched it and it scared me straight. I got saved that day. Now I admit, I got caught up in false doctrine early on (the original video about hell I saw was by Spiritually Smart. I don't even know if he's still around, but Spiritually Smart and TheForerunner [yikes!] were my first exposure to the King James Bible, albeit not correctly discerned), but thankfully God pulled me away from it once I bought a KJV and started reading it for myself. I still was very much young in the faith and did very little for God the first year or two, though. It wasn't until I got out of my parents house that I started to truly witness verbally and pass out gospel tracts.

What exactly is wrong? Well, seeing your still just a babe, one thing at a time. Mark is doing fine discussing with you some things.

The issue is that you come on too strong for your "age". And the questions you present, at least the manner, like you just did to me with those questions, that's not good. Your in too big a hurry to answer these questions, and even before something gets answered your off to ask something else. A previous person here did the same thing as a means of distraction here, keep asking new questions and argue or "debate" about everything.

As for doctrine, the Catholic raising is deeper than you realize. It's showing. That's part of the aggressive debate mentality you have. And it's also why you went looking at other beliefs, because you had no grounding from the Catholics, and quite frankly were not saved.

I realize your zeal is strong, as it usually is with new believers, but my impression is that you would do better if you would slow down. Too many questions, too big a hurry, and quite frankly too argumentative for such a young age in the Word. Starting off after being born-again, you need to learn how to spiritually crawl before you walk, much less run!

"In your patience posses ye your soul"

"But let patience have her perfect work"

I recommend if your going to be around here, that you post up a testimony so people can see your background and a little info about how you came to know Jesus. Maybe add a little bit to what you posted for me.

Please forgive my suspicions, but I've seen many come and go in the last several years. Unless you read my testimony, just to let you know, I was born-again back in 1988, which is when I got my KJB.(though I had one way back when I was a kid, as my family was mostly Baptists in the south) So, I was raised in a traditional fundamentalist family. Baptists, Methodists, and a couple non-denominational here and there. Not a Catholic in my family anywhere that I know of, ever. My family is mainly Scottish (Related to William Wallace, read what the Catholics did to him!) and some Irish, came over as Protestants fleeing persecution by the church of England back in the 1700's.

Anyway, being so new, just slow down. The most common issue with new believers is that they get a little knowledge after searching the scriptures, zealous for their new beliefs, and then get to where they START to understand some doctrine, and coupled with pressure by churchianity to go out doing "good works" to "preach the gospel", new babes think they need to rush right out and start preaching to people, when they haven't even learned the basics yet.

This is a real danger for the new babe, because at that point pride is running real high because of their new belief. It's new, and they are proud and happy they found it, and want to tell everybody. Not so fast!

"Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:6 (KJB)

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:12 (KJB)

You MUST learn the milk first.

"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Hebrews 5:14 (KJB)

(My apologies for distracting the thread. Back on topic...)


Title: Re: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Christian40 on January 15, 2014, 04:04:41 am
From a friend:

"I put on TV this morning, first time in a long time. The 1st News I heard was ARIEL SHARON (11 letters) had died. The 11th prime minister dies on the 11 day and while I right this up it is 11pm in Israel. It is also the 11th month in Israel."

http://www.torahcalendar.com/


Title: Re: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 15, 2014, 09:43:18 am
Very interesting...


Title: Re: Ariel Sharon dies at 85
Post by: Kilika on January 16, 2014, 01:18:53 am
And one inch less that a foot is 11 inches. Amazing!  :D