End Times and Current Events

Remember the Korean missionary in Israel I talked to you guys about awhile back?

Well, he came back(unexpectedly) tonight, and came to our house, and guess what - somehow, he had this prophecy that I have alot of darkness in my heart b/c of my fearfulness, and b/c of this I have no love of God inside of me.

OK...what about this passage he may have forgotten?

Joh 3:15  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Or how about this?

Eph 1:6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Or how about this?

Act 8:35  Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Huh! So what hindered the eunuch was his UNBELIEF that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Doesn't this Acts passage above match the John 3:16 one?

Or how about Peter? Didn't Jesus at one time call him Satan when Peter complained about Jesus being crucified coming to pass shortly? Didn't Peter deny Jesus 3(or was it 2) times out of fearfulness? Look what happened with Peter!

Seriously, I just didn't know what to do, except to pray to God to help me while he prayed over me, saying for the darkness to get out of me, etc, etc. It's as if he was telling me I'm not saved b/c God revealed to him that I have alot of darkness and fearfulness in me.

What about us having trouble in the flesh b/c no good thing dwelleth in our flesh?? SHOULDN'T THAT COUNT TOO? Yes, I will admit, there are a few anxieties I am dealing with, so does that mean I lost my salvation?? Does this mean I wasn't saved to begin with?? What about David's trouble in the flesh and his anxieties he layed out in Psalms??

Please guys, I need your feedback on this! No, he doesn't call himself an Apostle or anything, but he still comes across acting like one(as he acts like his prayers can heal sickenesses et al to others).

Ask him to show you from scripture that you have no love of God in your heart.

He has a prophecy for you? Does that make him a prophet ::) i think not.

He should read this scripture and think about it alot before he makes such a judgment about your heart (which he cannot read):

1 Corinthians 13:
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.    
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

I dont know all about your heart but i have seen from your posts here that you dont have a dark heart nor do you come across as fearful.

Dont trust this assessment from him about you, you are saved and you know it and even if you doubt it God sent His Son the Lord Jesus to die on a cross for you sins and that is Fact and you know it and your saved.

Hebrews 13:
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

Maybe this prophet dude has forgotten this commandment from the 10 commandments:

Exodus 20:
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

uhm, maybe i missed it, but just what was the prophecy? The guy seems kind of dodgey to me, talking about darkness, just what is that? And fear? Are we not to fear the God?

Jhn 3:18    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

woops...

Thank you guys, again - just FYI, here's more I learned from this missionary...

1) He said last night that when we get to heaven, God will commend us for giving money to his missionary ministry.

2) I can't remember the exact words, but a couple of times he commended himself for his works.

3) He elaborated how many, many Muslims(and Jews too) were converted, and said how he's helped build church buildings for them.

4) He said he's somehow in an area in the ME(Israel/Jordan) where it's safe for Christians, where many other areas they are being persecuted.

IOW, I find it odd how he doesn't seem to get one nil of persecution where he's at. I mean not even a slap in the face.

Also, my mom told me this morning how he said there's been a DEVIL inside of me for many, many years until last night when he saw me, and how this devil got quieted when I was in a room with them.

I know I might be asking dumb questions here, but once you are SAVED, you don't have to worry about being demon possessed and having devils inside of you?(Of course, there's always the "falling away" ala the contempletive prayer abominations the Emergent Church is pushing) This is what he pretty much said I have, and I am very disappointed my mom thinks he's telling the truth. I'll be honest and say I've been pretty testy at her over this this morning. Plus we've discussed the Lordship salvation heresy here, which what this guy preaches just EEKS with.

Guys, I'm sorry for bringing this up, I know I should know better, and reading the book of Galatians this morning helped me feel better. However, it rattled me since last night.

As for this missionary dude, it's as if he just popped up unawares at one of the Korean churches in the metroplex. Now my mom's best friend's son is with him in Israel doing missionary work.

I found out 2 more things today about this guy...

1) I didn't catch it last night, but he told my dad that God revealed to him(my dad that is) is truely a righteous man.

Didn't the book of Proverbs specifically warn to NOT flatter other people? So why would God tell any of her servants to do so like this ???

Pro 29:5  A man that flattereth his neighbour spreadeth a net for his feet.

2) At my mom's church, people were lining up to him asking for certain prayers.

IOW, they were putting this man up on a pedestial...you mean they just couldn't PRAY TOGETHER as a CONGREGATION ??? So there's some rule in God's book that only a specific few has prayers powerful that will help others, while others are left at the dust?

Doesn't the Roman Catholic Church system DO THIS??

This guy is really screaming Jesuit to me - I even had an argument with my mom this all morning. She was like "shame on you for saying things like this about a man of God!".

I just thank our Lord Jesus Christ for having his WORD backing us!

hmmmm...

Luk 16:15  And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

maybe he's the one with the demon and the demon is the one giving him these messages....you ever feel like other people especially those who don't claim to be Christian that they have demons and that when these individual see you their demons coerce them to mess with you?...like ur being targeted because there is a light in you?...not that we're holier than other people but sometimes i get that when i go to the store or something and then people would seem to go out of their way to mess with me....

2 Peter 1:
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


It depends on what you mean by demon possession, i mean Peter publicly denied Jesus 3 times was that demon possession?

If you had a devil inside of you wouldn't you be cursing Jesus or stopping people preaching or get in a rage with everyone? I dont hear you doing that. :)

I believe that a born-again Christian cannot be possessed by any other spirit but that of God. When we are drawn away of our own lusts and enticed, that's on us, not some demon. Influenced by, messed with, harassed, sure. Possessed? Nope. I don't believe it is possible. Here's why...

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." John 8:12 (KJB)

Amen Kilika! The Holy Spirit lives in us and would not share His space with a demon!
Sounds like some real spiritual warfare going on to me. BA2, put on God's armor, and hit your knees!

This article is interesting and worth reading:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/demon_possession.htm

Agreed, people need to see what stuff is being preached at that site!



I'm sorry, but this person is an idiot! He claims there is no verses to back the claim, when I already posted one verse, and there are several more I can post.

More and more I'm seeing churchianity bs false doctrines come from that site. If this person actually knew how to read the bible, he'd know Jesus Himself says it's not possible!

Do you agree with that article Christian40?

As for David Stewart's JIS web site, I like it, but like Kilika says, we need to search and test all things. My only gripe about that site is that he posts articles from Henry Makow. Makow claims to be a Jew(he's also not a Christian), however, his columns are very anti-semetic(and he's married to a Roman Catholic).

Anyhow, I have a question for you guys - during that guy's prayer over me to "rid my demons et al" on Sat, he told me to breath in and out...I found this very odd b/c isn't this a technique the New Age gurus teach?(the inhaling deeply, and exhaling) I resisted in doing so, however, I found this odd. As we all know, the New Age movement is a front for the Jesuits/Vatican.

Will get back to posting regularly on Thurs evening(found a rare time to post here) as I'm tied up now.

don't let him lay hands on you bornagain. ... i am very suspicious of people to claim to have received a message from God, while they may have received a messag,e from where I don't know but there is one sure way to test them and thats if any of what he/she said did not come true. they have to be 100% accurate.  i met someone who said God 'revealed' to him in order to win an argument. typical. i mean you don't want to argue against God, and if u say God told you in a special dream or something. but time will tell.

Well when i read that article i had doubt. He didn't prove that demon possession of a believer can occur. However from my own experience i believe that devils can influence a Christian as punishment from God. I mean if a Christian gets involved in witchcraft and does it deliberately i think God could allow devils to influence that Christian for a bit so that Christian gets to know not to sin against the Holy God.
When i started this poison medication i started thinking bad thoughts against God and i couldn't stop it. Like in one place i spent 30 minutes or more just thinking bad things about God, the thoughts just came into my head, i couldn't stop it. This went on for a few months. In fact i would have been better of dead to tell you the truth. Why did it occur? Because i was being a sinner and sinning God allowed it to occur. I was playing video games and listening to a false teacher at the time on the Internet. There is a witchcraft element with drugs in the psychiatric industry as Dr Johnson pointed out. I believed i was saved at the time because i still read the KJV Bible, but my mind was a mess! Thankfully God stopped the experience it just stopped one day after prayer! I dont play video games or listen to false teachers now.

yes i believe demons can harrass and hang around but not possess. i know it is my fault that demons try and influence me, i keep opening up the door.

Thought I would share this with everyone-

Was wondering if everyone has these similar experiences - there are times when I'm in front of my computer, and some big temptations come unto me. No, I will not go into detail, but I will say this...when they do come and these devils tell me how I can give into this and that, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY passages of scripture I've been reading(and the Holy Spirit has guided me through) just brings to my remembrance. For example, when I have lustful desires come upon me, passages warning about idolatry, staying away from the lusts of the flesh, adultery, you name it just talk in my ear and head.

I mean this is how much our Lord is loving and merciful. No, he's not going to stand back and say it's OK for us to give into these sins every now and then and give us a free pass on it, but again, he WANTS US to STRAY AWAY from these things. Just gave you an example over how the Lord would just remind me numerous bible passages when the temptation hits. And guess what, today IT WORKED! Ended up straying away from my lusts b/c the Lord PREVENTED me to do so!

Pt being that WHY in the world would we need SOME MAN do some prayer first and foremost to get rid of all these lusts and spiritual demons or whatever from us, when we as Christians have the WORD OF GOD guarding our backs??

2Pe 1:12  Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

1Co 10:13  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

And don't these "men of God"/"prophets" know that our FLESH is WEAK, and there's NO GOOD THING that dwelleth in our flesh? But somehow these men are exempt from having a weak flesh b/c they are holier than everyone else?? SHAME ON THEM!

I don't know, but maybe next time he comes, I'm thinking about just literally throwing him out the door. Seriously, I can't tell you how angry I am how he tried to get me to inhale/exhale deeply, which is a YOGA/NEW AGE practice. >:( At least I didn't give in, but I wished I had run out the door with my bible and yelled, "May the Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you devil!".

And i was thinking about the same thing during the previous post, similar minds think the same Brother! :)


Yes he should leave your house and leave you alone, we have to be tough on people at times, they call it tough love. And this person should know better, they are just trying to take advantage of you, it has happened to me too, where lost people and even Christians want me to do this or that saying how wonderful it is and encourage me and i look for an excuse that i cannot do it and they look puzzled but they will know i'm a Christian but they are still puzzled.


I pray too that such people will be exposed!

I dont know what temptation will come to me next but the main thing is to be alert because the devil can tempt you or try to make you angry at anytime of the day. The devil will attack you when your tired, when your busy, hungry, the main thing is it is going to come to test Christians but there is a way out and after experience you know that it is that devil again and i'm not going to do any sin or let it ruin my day as that is the just the job of the devil. I mean i dont know about you but i can laugh and be joyful even after a bit of rough stuff because the Lord Jesus is still helping me and i'm a citizen of heaven and the future is very bright!

Well BA, it's just conformation that Jesus did in fact give us a way to escape that we may be able to bear it. Thank you Jesus.

Well, don't mean to beat a dead horse with this, but if this "missionary" claims to have been (pretty much)been given powers by God to say prayers to heal people et al, then why isn't he going to Capitol Hill and doing the same to all of these witch-brewed abortion clinics? Or why isn't he going to Lakeland Church in Houston doing the same to Joel Osteen?

And what really eats me too is that he claims how he's able to go around Israel, Jordan, et al with ease b/c God is protecting him from his enemies AND his enemies see him as a man of God and won't touch him. Okay...what about all those persecuted Christians in that same area? Does this mean they're getting persecuted b/c they're unfaithful and lukewarm unlike you?

BTW, don't want to get into another bible versions debate here, but unsurprisingly, he uses the NIV. Like we all said, we got saved using other versions(and to be fair, some use it unknowingly), HOWEVER, why in the world would God appoint a man that uses the NIV as "special"? See what I'm saying?

Sorry for more ranting et al, but my spirit is troubled.

John 14:
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.


i see what your saying, God is no respecter of persons.

ACTS 10:
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Also, I am under the impression that it's the Holy Spirit that works inside of you, right?

I don't want to go into detail over stuff(worldly things) that are interesting me less and less, but there are things that I would really indulge in with no conscience 3 years ago that now just really doesn't interest me anymore, and there are times when the Holy Spirit is really hitting me to stay away from when I get tempted to indulge in. And there are other things I would get angry over, that now when anger would rise over these same issues, the Holy Spirit would recite scriptures in my ear to calm my nerves down.

So really, what's the point of getting some "faith healer who has power to cast out demons" when it's only God that can convict your heart and lead your way?

Also, remember when David played hymns on a haarp to combat Saul's demons inside of him? *sigh* at the very least, this dodgy guy I described could have sung some hymns during his time with me if he was really serious about getting these demons out of me.

As your a Christian yes. The Holy Spirit can warn you of danger, and get you out of a bad situation but dont trust your heart, see what is wrong through the KJV.


Fasting and prayer gets rid of demons (devils) so that nullifies his job, plus if you dont give the devil any ground by resisting him he will go away.


well he couldn't do that

I posted this on another message forum, and thought I would post it here as well...

Anyhow, like a previous poster said here(All4Truth, I think), NEVER LET ANYONE try to steal away your faith and hope, and deceive you into thinking b/c they think you're/you're not doing this and that, that you're destined for hell.

No, I'm not calling out anyone here, but this is from my personal experiences from over 2 years ago, and recently.

There was a pastor by the name of Ed Watson on sermon audio.com back then that would just go on to infinity preaching "once saved always saved is a heresy". It just came to a point where he said if you ended up having a sinful thought for a moment, that your salvation would be stripped and destined for hell. Well...it was found out later that he was running a Jim Jones/David Koresh-cult like compound where he was inflicting fear on everyone. He was manipulating everyone into giving him all their little secrets, and it came to a point where all chaos ALMOST broke loose on his compound. Even one witness there described it "worse than the autrocities he saw in Iraq"(para-this guy served in Iraq).

Watson eventually got exposed b/c one of the members there was able to text and IM Scott Johnson(whom you guys are probably familiar with) and others outside of the compound. And I'm sure some of you guys here are familiar with Derek Dreamer, who has his own blogtalkradio, and has used it to interview Alex, Bob Chapman, and others. He himself was at the compound when all this was going down.

Anyhow, as you can see - alot of these people who act like they're exposing once saved always saved as a heresy are the same ones who are living in hypocrosy. And alot of people who try to expose once saved always saved ALMOST NEVER point you to God's grace, mercy, the blood atonement, and what he did on the cross.

And the other experience that I had recently with a "prophet" who had "powers to cast out demons" was the same - he acted like if anyone had even a bit of sin or a bit of that, then it means you don't love God and live in darkness, while acting like he himself doesn't have sin. But en yet, like Ed Watson, NOT ONCE did he point people to the blood atonement and the cross. And for that matter too, he made a few "prophecies" concering my family that didn't even come to pass.

Gal 5:6  For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7  Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8  This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9  A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Gal 5:10  I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
Gal 5:11  And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12  I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Gal 5:13  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14  For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15  But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Amen. Most churches I’ve attended seem to think that if you don’t drink, don’t smoke, attend church, tithe, and dress “respectably”, you are saved and completely sin-free. The Pharisees are still going strong today.

For years I held tightly to the belief that, no matter what happened in my life, I had a guarantee of making it to heaven. It was deeply and secretly held in my heart, like a little pilot light. The Baptists gave me that. This helped me to endure enormous amounts of mental abuse. Unfortunately, I didn’t have knowledge of God beyond that. So, I sought relief from the world through drugs, alcohol, and occultic practices. I was drifting away from God and getting stuck in the enemy’s camp.

But, thank God, He was faithful to reach out to the abyss and call/lead me back to Himself. It was a long recovery process, about 20 years. This culminated in a recall to a church the likes of which I’d never seen before.  Charismatics. The impression I got as I was standing at the doorway of this church was “I have preserved you for this moment, and now it is time to wake up.” Prior to this, He had put in my heart a strong desire to seek Him first and foremost. I wanted to know that He was real in my life, and not just some fictional idea. Oddly, this desire was confirmed by an occultist at the time. This was before I had read the bible for myself. I wasn’t ready yet.

In a very short time, God proved to me that the Bible was not just a fanciful fairy-tale but contained truths that were the key to undoing the damage done by the enemy. An intensely wild ride ensued. But I’m seriously digressing here.

One of the things that came up during that period was the possibility of completely losing my salvation. Interestingly, this thought came via church people that pointed to scripture that seemed to back this assertion. Although I still struggle intellectually with this, I have to look back on His faithfulness to direct my life in a way that is pleasing to Him.

I’m convinced that character trumps whether I live or die physically. There is a much longer-term plan for us in which this is vital. His rule over the shaping of my character is what allows me to choose correctly. Character manifests into thoughts and attitudes. It is a deep work, and most definitely an inside job.

Well, for the most part, the modern-day church is more concerned with their offering plates more than anything else b/c obviously, that's the only way to maintain their big buildings and "ministries".

With that being said - b/c of the above paragraph, they end up getting more concerned with keeping their "image" in front of the eyes of the community, so I guess this is why they end up pushing alot of their own "rules" and "laws", albeit subtlely, over how to act, behave, doing this and that, etc. And ultimately, b/c the pews deep down inside end up feeling a bit helpless, they end up turning to their pastors and church leaders for all the answers, thinking they're the ones you can't do any wrong.

I was at a Lutheran church last year(when I visited relatives in Ohio), and it felt like I was attending some self-help class that I occassionaly went to when I was in college. The pastor talked about how you could be a "good person", "help the community", and even brought up a secular college professor as an example. Sure, bible verses were put in the screen during the service, but that was the only time it was shown/read to us(otherwise the pastor didn't mention any scripture during his sermon). And then afterwards, he made a call to the pews to drop in their future alms giving/community work they plan to do in a box.

And for that matter too(another experience) - the big First Baptist I attended as a child was pretty lukewarm - one time I approached my 6th grade Sunday school teacher b/c I was concerned over whether I was saved or not. He pretty much said NOTHING and looked at me. It was as if he himself didn't know the scriptures, but was instead hired to babysit the kids.

Anyhow, just some more thoughts over why this "you can lose your salvation" heresy has crept into Churchianity - b/c "of the world" nonsense has crept in. The "of the world" crowd believes we have to be ambitious and move up and up and up, otherwise we will lose everything. Now this mentality has crept into the churches...

I think in the modern Bibles they use the word character. I just searched for it in the KJV and it's not there. But it is interesting that God wants a peculiar people. Here are the verses, 7 times the word PECULIAR appears.

EXODUS 19
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a PECULIAR treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

DEUTERONOMY 14
2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a PECULIAR people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

DEUTERONOMY 26
18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his PECULIAR people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

PSALM 135
4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his PECULIAR treasure.

ECCLESIASTES 2
8 I gathered me also silver and gold, and the PECULIAR treasure of kings and of the provinces: I gat me men singers and women singers, and the delights of the sons of men, as musical instruments, and that of all sorts.

TITUS 2
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a PECULIAR people, zealous of good works.

1 PETER 2
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a PECULIAR people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

And i think that it relates to this:

1 CORINTHIANS 1
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

HEBREWS 13
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels UNAWARES.

Could we in any case be entertaining angels unawares?

Well, overall, for anyone that went through the same experiences I did - if you, like I, did nothing about it, don't be too hard on yourself and beat yourself up.

Yes, I regret the fact that I didn't take a stand for the truth(and pointed out bible verses to him and the others in the room). I am thankful that while I was quiet, I prayed to the Lord to help me resist this evil. But nonetheless, yes, I will admit I wished I had prayed to take a stand for the truth(as Paul preached about in Ephesians 6:10-19).

And if you like I warn others about this afterwards, then yes, anticipate you will be attacked. I tried to to the others in the room the next day, but they rather yelled at me and acted like I hated this guy for "telling me the truth".(ie-Yes, anyone should be shocked when people follow a MAN BLINDLY) Obviously, it's b/c they are blind to the truth, and they have made a choice to close their ears.

Ultimately, you learn by experience at the same time - this is why it's important to ordain the elderly who are strong in the faith with double honor. No, it's not like they're super-duper bible scholars who never sinned in their lives, but they, like us, have been THROUGH all the wars, the persecutions, and especially the mistakes, and are there to share them when they fellowship with you.

Yes it is good to respect the elderly and listen to them. They can be a big help and there are many that can remember that the Churches read from the King James Bible and society was not as problematic.

The thing about community. Are we as Christians part of the community? Yes, there are people around us and that but the thing is we belong to the Lord first and have to do what He wants us to do. A community that agrees on everything is like a microcosm for a new world order. And then them communities join other communities and we are in a big matrix.

Whatever the community says Christians have to accept? A Christian is not of the world and therefore should be non-conformist in their approach. I mean with the Lord Jesus He was said to be from Nazareth and so a Nazarene for life but He was born in Bethlehem and went to Jerusalem and toured the land preaching in different places. It was like He wasn't a Nazarene at all, His hometown rejected Him and He said that His mothers and sisters and brothers were those that did the will of God.

MARK 10:
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or SISTERS, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and SISTERS, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

LUKE 14:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and SISTERS, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

MARK 6:
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his SISTERS here with us? And they were offended at him.

MATTHEW 12:
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his MOTHER and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy MOTHER and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my MOTHER? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my MOTHER and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and MOTHER.

Good point. Jesus makes it very clear I think, that we do indeed become a new creature, our old life passes away, and all things do become new.

Consider that God made us without clothing even, or a toothbrush, or a hairdryer. God made us the way He wanted us. Man did the rest!

OK guys, I have one more question - this "missionary" said that he witnessed many Muslims to Christ, and built numerous churches for them.

From your experiences et al, what were your reactions et al when someone came up to you and said they witnessed many Muslims to Christ? The reason why I'm asking is b/c isn't it God that giveth the increaseth? Didn't Jesus Christ say heaven will rejoice over 1 sinner that repents than 99 righteous people who need no repentence?(ie-doesn't this mean it's not like everyone or even many will come to Christ that you witness to in this world? Yes, we have to witness, but again...)

I'll admit, I am still kicking myself that I did nothing that night INSTEAD of standing up for the TRUTH when he pulled this charade. My parents were watching, and it would have been a golden opportunity to call out to the Lord to expose this. :(

I haven't met anybody who has told me that they witnessed to many Muslims. Rick Warren keeps telling people he does. The way i see it God can use hopeless people, heretics that preach 10% truth, disabled people or even imperfect people to get the message about the Lord Jesus Christ out to whom He wants. We have to admit that God is far wiser than us, and he uses methods to amaze us and for us to give Him praise. Yet God gives the increase.

1 Corinthians 3:
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the INCREASE.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the INCREASE.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.


Luke 15:
1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over ONE SINNER that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over ONE SINNER that repenteth.

All you have to do is preach the Gospel to the lost and whoever has ears to hear will hear. It is simple. When your doing what God wants then your on the right track. Who cares what other people think. I believe that you can rejoice when other Christians see souls saved.


Dont be hard on yourself. You probably do things for God that you dont give yourself credit for, like praying and encouraging Christians here.

It is about Experience, the more you do it the easier it gets. :)

Again, thank you everyone for the support.

The other day my mom gave me comforting words b/c she knows I'm saved. I was rather surprised b/c it was shortly after this wolf left in Dec when my mom ended up buying into what he said how I was heading for the lake of fire b/c I have fears and anxieties over driving a car.

What was so laughable about this(my fear and anxieties over driving a car) was that it was several months earlier(last Feb) when this same guy came by and said God told him that everything was going good for me, and I was studying my bible regularly. However, it was a mere several months later when he got this vision from God that told him that b/c I have alot of fear driving a car, it means I have no love for God and live in darkness and idolatry.

Here are the FACTS - it was in 2002 when I got into an accident when I ended up developing these fears. Yes, it was TEN years ago. But somehow, this demon got this "vision" from God a MERE 10 months AFTER his OTHER "vision" said everything's so, so ok with me?(ie-you would have thought God would have told him by then over my car fears) I then found out a couple of days later after he tried to pull this charade that my mom admitted that she told him my fears over this(and as for him knowing about my bible reading, it's b/c my mom told her pastor, and obviously her pastor told this guy).

Some lessons to be learned here...

1) Don't trust ANYONE(yes, including myself, Scott, and everyone else on this message forum) when it comes to telling your personal things et al - as you can see, this guy ended up using this to make occassion and take advantage of the entire situation to continue to puff himself up. I was actually surprised my mom told him about my car fears, b/c she NEVER tells ANY of our family secrets, problems, et al on anyone.

2) Test EVERY LITTLE WORD that comes out of their mouths - like said above, he says one thing out of his mouth, but shortly afterwards he says something completely different(claiming all of this came from God). Jesus Christ says a double minded man is unstable in all his ways, so why would Jesus act contrary to his words?

3) Sometimes we can get deceived into thinking we can merely hang out with the wrong crowd, just as long as we can study, observe, and discern them without learning and doing their ways. Absolutely NOT TRUE! Even Proverbs clearly says to AVOID, AVOID, AVOID(as well as Paul in The to "abstain from all appearance of evil"). As you can see, even my mom got bewitched for a good bit and thought I was on my way to the lake of fire b/c of my car fears meant idolatry sins. For example, whenever I go onto NFL teams message forums, there is alot of blasphemy and swearing on there. Yes, it grieves the Spirit, but at the same time, it also rubs off on me in the wrong way reading all the posts.

Again, sorry for rambling more in this thread, but the more I'm praying and the Holy Spirit showing me the scriptures, the more Jesus is revealing to me more about this situation.

Sorry that you were in an accident, i'm glad your here to tell me, i think it is normal if you crash and then have uncertainty about driving again.

It wasn't that major - what happened was when I saw the yellow light ahead of me, instead of running through it, I decided to play it safe and stop. However, a truck hit me pretty hard from behind. Obviously, it was hit fault b/c if someone hits you from behind, that person is at fault no ifs, ands, or buts. But nonetheless, I felt very shaken b/c of the impact, which affected me, to be honest, for a long while. It was also that same day when I was about to go out in a new car my parents bought, but at the very last minute, my mom told me to drive one of the older cars...pt being that the Lord was right there to instruct us(it's was this very same new car from 2002 that we have to this day, and even used it to drive all the way from New Orleans to North Texas when we moved in 2006 - praise the Lord it's still up and running GREAT!).

Not that I'm mad at my mom or anything, but she thinks it was a demonic spirit that entered me since then. No, it's not like she's in error, but "let every man be persuaded by their own mind"(para). Anyhow, sometimes I think even true and faithful Christians have a misperception over what demonic spirits really are. There's a BIG difference b/w having trouble in the flesh(as Paul described in Romans 7) and being demonically possessed. This asian missionary ultimately used this 10 year old car accident I had as occassion to take advantage of us.

Yes, as Christians the Lord gives us peace - but again, if anyone really thinks this means we no longer have trouble in the flesh, than one is sorely deceived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCUP7hdCUX4&feature=related

Eastern mysticism under the guise of "health and wellness". Jesus says that bodily exercise profieth little, but rather we should exercise ourselves unto godliness. Did not our Lord say that He would give us what we need, and would not burden us with more than we can handle? Yes He did. Thank you Jesus.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life." John 6:63 (KJB)

Joh 5:42  But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43  I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44  How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Interesting...forget about the Rev 13 Antichrist/FP...we're already seeing this alot in the modern-day church. Take the Emergent/Purpose Driven movement, for example. These hireling pastors are putting people like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels on a higher pestestial than Jesus Christ.

The more we think about it, I wonder if any of these modern-day pastors are even saved. The fact that they're receiving people that come in their OWN name...and funny too that this guy I mentioned in the OP told me how I have no love of God in me...hmmm...looks like he has a VERY shallow understanding of scripture...

There are devils in this reiki stuff, someone wanted me to go to this place that had reiki sessions, i knew that i should not go, thankyou Lord God for helping me.

Have a little update here - found out the other day that one of the deacons at my mom's church(the same one, along with another asian church in the metroplex, that brought this asian "missionary" guy) owns a liquor store. My mom told me when we drove by one of those "drive-in barns" where they sell beverages, and told me how he owns the place which sells liquor.

So what's the point here? For one, this guy is DISQUALIFIED from being a deacon, no ifs, ands, or buts for operating this business. He's also been a Christian for TEN years, so there's NO excuse(even though he tries to rationalize how he has a family to take care of, etc). But still, not only is the pastor blind to this, but even worse this asian "missionary" guy who supposedly can see and cast out demons says NOTHING. I mean isn't liquor filled with demonic spirits? So anyone who owns a liquor store themselves are obviously filled with demonic spirits(and even worse they are aiding to other people's sins by selling this to them). But somehow this "missionary" guy can supposedly see my demonic spirits from a mile away, but can NOT see this guy's demonic spirits which are obviously 10 X's worse ??? Shouldn't he also know that he shouldn't be a deacon, especially given the fact that he's "super spiritual" and God tells him everything-to-everything ::)

You know, there are times when you just want to LAUGH. Am I the only one here that feels so?

The bible does not condemn alcohol. It’s just a substance.

It does condemn willingly submitting to an impaired mental state through drunkenness though. This can be applied to a number of substances besides alcohol today.

Jesus drank with the rabble of the time. But there was never an indication of Him forfeiting His will to world influences. To the contrary, His will and the Father’s will were and are one.

I agree, however, the type of liquor I was referring to above was beer like Miller, Bud, etc, all of which companies are likely owned by occultists and cast witches spells et al into them.(which are sold at your typical liquor/grocery store)

I suppose it’s possible. The world certainly encourages drunkenness.
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How do we know that spells haven’t also been cast on meat, produce, eggs, milk, or canned goods? How do we know that there isn’t some guy at the water treatment plant doing his mumbo-jumbo on the water supply?

I think that God can and does protect His people in ways that they haven’t thought of. There have been testimonies of occultists casting spells on Christians only to have the spell bounce back to the caster multifold. God is certainly capable of making the unclean thing clean.

Point blank, there is no biblical reason to think that alcohol, of any type, has "demonic spirits" in it.

I'm sorry, but that is silly churchianity thinking. Remember that Jesus says that an idol is nothing. It's not the object, or spirits, that is influenced by demons, it's people that are influnced.

What comes out of the man defiles him. It's about what is in your heart, not what you pour down your pie hole.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." Matthew 15:11 (KJB)

What we are to do is not be drunks. We can use in moderation. Remember that all things are lawful (see 1 Corinthians 6), but that doesn't mean it's edifying or expedient. We just aren't to use our liberty to excess or get in the way of our worship of the Father.

And I will go even further and say that doctrinally we know that the unbelieving don't have the ability to be content or moderate, not being born-again of the Holy Ghost.

"Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled." Titus 1:15 (KJB)

Didn't understand what you 2(tennis show and Kilika) said at first, however, after stepping away from my PC and drinking a blueberry smoothie for a few moments, I had a chance to digest this(and the BB smoothie, of course).

I think the Lord is really helping me to understand the meaning of "demon possession" et al now(after some big misperceptions for quite some time now). The posts both of you made today are really starting to sink in. Mark posted a 5 page PDF for me over this issue a couple of weeks ago which helped in my understanding quite a bit.

This is one issue where I think the modern-day church really, really gets confused about, and then ultimately strikes out when it comes to the meaning of what true salvation is.

Ultimately, Christ makes us free from the bondage and the rudiments of this world. It's as simple as that. I have no idea why today's "church" can't even understand this. Thank you so much, guys! :)

Those pictures would not encourage me to drink :D

I mean as Tennis Shoe said we can eat or drink poison and God will protect us. With this GMO food, it is bad for the body but what can you do if a Christian brother gives you GMO food unknowingly and you eat a square meal? Even with fluoride and that i'm sure i have drunk alot of that in the years but God has given me remedies to help my brain (herbs) and now i'm fine. My lower lobes are burnt out?

UPDATE

Was talking to my mom today about him - word was getting out that all of the money that was being donated to his "ministry"...he wasn't using it for his "ministry" per se, but he was stealing alot of it to keep for HIMSELF.

The next thing he knew - when he went back to Israel(where he does his "ministry"), somehow customs would NOT let him in b/c (out of the blue)his name just did NOT match up with his passport info et al(ie-perhaps he wasn't who he says he was all along?). However, he's still able to come into the USA - however, when he came to North Texas, NONE of the pastors wanted to have NOTHING to do with him! So he just went back to Korea.

Ultimately - he ended up getting exposed, and he's finished - but this is the LORD's doing! It was NOT anything I did - this is a classic example of the Lord protecting his own, and avenging his elect. For a long time, I was just SO bitter over standing down and doing nothing when he came at me with these false accusations. Yes, I should have taken a stand and used the word of God to expose this wicked spirit. But nonetheless - the Lord is merciful, patient, and longsuffering, that I should have just stood back and let the Lord take care of it(instead of letting all of this bitterness grow in me, which I ended up expressing on this forum).

Ultimately - if you see these wicked spirits prosper for the time being(and loved ones around you siding with them) - do NOT be discouraged nor bitter. The Lord will shield you going through that storm, and ultimately avenge his elect!

Mark 6:45  And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people.
Mar 6:46  And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
Mar 6:47  And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.
Mar 6:48  And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
Mar 6:49  But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:
Mar 6:50  For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
Mar 6:51  And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered.
Mar 6:52  For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.