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Title: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on August 13, 2012, 06:21:27 am
Did Jesus condemn homosexuality?

It would appear to be indisputable that same-sex marriage and the open celebration of homosexuality is quickly becoming a part of the global cultural agenda – and corresponding to the rise of the activist homosexual agenda is a teaching that is permeating the Christian world: “Since Jesus never mentions homosexuality nor does He specifically condemn it, homosexuality must be legitimate in Jesus’ eyes.”

Let me address these issues from the biblical worldview. As a matter of fact, I include an entire chapter in my new book, “The Magic Man in the Sky: Effectively Defending The Christian Faith,” on the importance and relevance of various worldviews upon cultures and civilizations.

This is a foundationally important issue. For if there is no God or accountability to God, our Creator, as the secular worldview would have us to believe, then homosexual marriage is a completely legitimate issue. Pedophilia and bestiality would not be out of the question either, should the prevailing secular worldview “deem” the lifestyles to be acceptable and the “new norm.” The biblical worldview, however, is grounded in the unchanging tenets of the Word of God. This is where the loudest cultural clash occurs … when two worlds collide.

So, did Jesus condemn, speak of, or even mention homosexuality? The one who espouses this false teaching usually begins by saying that he discounts both the Old Testament and the writings of Paul and adheres only to the four Gospels. In so doing, they think they have found a convenient way to justify the homosexual lifestyle. First, the gyrations one must use to reach this illogical conclusion are astounding and ought to be the first dead giveaway of the falsehood of the proposition. But, secondly, let’s simply examine the question on its face – did Jesus ever say anything in the four Gospels that would condemn the homosexual lifestyle or homosexual marriage?

As it turns out, yes, He did. As a matter of fact, He spoke very clearly and directly about the issue. Let me begin with Matthew 19:4. Here Jesus is answering a question from the Pharisees regarding divorce. However, his answer is very telling concerning the entire issue of sexuality, the purpose of sexuality, marriage and the proper form of marriage. Here are the words of Jesus:

“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”?’” (Matthew 19:4)

Here Jesus upholds creation, male and female sexual relationships (in marriage), male and female marriage, procreation as a part of male and female marriage, and the sanctity of male and female marriage and sexual relationships. His answer is a blanket ignoring (thus condemnation as perversion) of anything outside God’s standard for sexuality and marriage. This truth cannot be legitimately explained away.

But, Jesus gets even more direct concerning the issue of homosexuality. In John 5:46-47, Jesus tells his detractors that unless one holds to the writings of Moses (the first five books of the Bible), one cannot fully know or understand truth or Jesus Himself. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47) Of course, in the first five books of the Bible we read of the days of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis) and the blanket condemnation of homosexuality as perversion (Leviticus). Oh well, so much for throwing out the Old Testament to legitimize homosexuality. But wait – Jesus gets even more direct with the matter.

Jesus also spoke of the destruction of the Sodomite (openly celebrating homosexuality) cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Luke 17:28-32; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Mark 6:11.) The presenting sin that brought about the destruction of those cultures was homosexuality. Consider these words found in the book of Jude:

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” (Jude 1:7-8)

Three of the four gospels contain quotes from Jesus about the sinful condition of Sodom and Gomorrah and the destruction that the celebration of the presenting sin of homosexuality wrought upon them. One of those quotes equates the sins of Sodom (homosexuality) to the same type of pervasive perversion of Noah’s day (Luke 17:26-30). So, as it turns out … YES, Jesus did speak rather forthrightly, and often, about the sin of homosexuality and the judgment that it brings upon societies that celebrate it.

But, most important to the issue is the matter of the person of Jesus. Who is He? Well, He claimed to be God with us. The Scriptures claim that He is God with us (Matthew 1:24). Even his enemies knew that Jesus was making this claim (John 10:33). So, if Jesus is “God with us,” then we have to ask, “Does God condemn homosexuality?” The answer is obvious. From Genesis to Revelation, God’s Word, homosexuality is condemned as perversion and a certain sign that God’s judgment is on the way to the culture that openly celebrates it as “normal.”

Now for the good news. Once we understand the correct and contextual biblical position in this matter, we also discover that homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin. There is hope, healing, forgiveness and salvation for anyone caught in the grips of any sinful lifestyle. Jesus extends his love and forgiveness to anyone, the Bible says, if one would repent (turn from) their sin and call upon Jesus Christ as Lord. Just like the woman caught in the act of adultery, you can hear Jesus say, “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.”

Carl Gallups is a pastor, talk-radio host and author of “The Magic Man in the Sky: Effectively Defending The Christian Faith.”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/did-jesus-condemn-homosexuality/?cat_orig=faith


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on August 13, 2012, 06:22:29 am
Is it true Jesus never addressed same-sex marriage?

Today it is popular among those promoting same-sex marriage to say that Jesus never addressed the issue, that He was silent on the subject.

Those who affirm the historical and traditional understanding of marriage between a man and woman often are admonished to go and read the Bible more carefully. If we do so, we are told, we will see that Jesus never addressed the issue. So, the question that I want to raise is, "Is this assertion correct?" Is it indeed the fact that Jesus never addresses the issue of same-sex marriage?

When one goes to the Gospels to see exactly what Jesus did say, one will discover that He addressed very clearly both the issues of sex and marriage. He addresses both their use and misuse. And, as He speaks to both subjects, He makes it plain that issues of the heart are of critical importance.

First, what did Jesus say about sex? Jesus believed that sex is a good gift from a great God. He also believed that sex was a good gift to be enjoyed within a monogamous, heterosexual covenant of marriage. On this He is crystal clear. In Mark 7 Jesus addresses the fact that all sin is ultimately an issue of the heart. Jesus was never after behavioral modification. Jesus was always after heart transformation. Change the heart and you truly change the person.

Thus, when He lists a catalog of sins in Mark 7:21-22, He makes it clear that all of these sins are ultimately matters of the heart. It is the idols of the heart that Jesus is out to eradicate. Among those sins of the heart that often give way to sinful actions He would include both sexual immorality and adultery (Mark 7:21). The phrase "sexual immorality," in a biblical context, would speak of any sexual behavior outside the covenant of marriage between a man and woman. Therefore, Jesus viewed pre-marital sex, adultery and homosexual behavior as sinful. And, He knew that the cure for each is a transformation of the heart made possible by the good news of the Gospel. The Gospel changes us so that now we are enabled to do not what we want, but what God wants. Here we find real freedom and joy.

Second, what about the issue of marriage? Is it truly the case that Jesus never spoke to the issue in terms of gender? The answer is a simple no. He gives His perspective on this when He addresses the issue in Matthew 19:4-6. There, speaking to the institution of marriage, Jesus is clear when He says, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." That Jesus was committed to heterosexual marriage could not be more evident. A man is to leave his parents and be joined to a woman who becomes his wife. This is heterosexual marriage. That He also was committed to the permanence and fidelity of marriage is clear as well.

So, how might we sum up the issue? First, Jesus came to deliver all people from all sin. Such sin, He was convinced, originated in and was ultimately a matter of the heart. Second, Jesus made it clear that sex is a good gift from a great God, and this good gift is to be enjoyed within heterosexual covenantal marriage. It is simply undeniable that Jesus assumed heterosexual marriage as God's design and plan. Third, Jesus sees all sexual activity outside this covenant as sinful. Fourth, it is a very dangerous and illegitimate interpretive strategy to bracket the words of Jesus and read into them the meaning you would like to find. We must not isolate Jesus from His affirmation of the Old Testament as the Word of God nor divorce Him from His first century Jewish context. Fifth, and this is really good news, Jesus loves both the heterosexual sinner and the homosexual sinner and promises free forgiveness and complete deliverance to each and everyone who comes to Him.

John 7 tells the story of a woman caught in adultery. The religious legalists want to stone her, but Jesus intervenes and prevents her murder. He then looks upon the woman and, with grace and tenderness, tells her that He does not condemn her. Then He says to her, "go and sin no more." In Matthew 11:28 Jesus speaks to every one of us weighed down under the terrible weight and burden of sin. Listen to these tender words of the Savior, "Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest." This is the hope that is found in Jesus. This is the hope found in the Gospel. Whether one is guilty of heterosexual or homosexual sin, one will find grace, forgiveness and freedom at the foot of the cross where the ground is always level.

When I came to fully trust Jesus as my Lord and Savior at the age of 20, I determined that I wanted to think like Jesus and live like Jesus for the rest of my life. When it comes to sex I want to think like Jesus. When it comes to marriage I want to think like Jesus. That means I will affirm covenantal heterosexual marriage. It also means loving each and every person regardless of their lifestyle choices. It means, as His representative, proclaiming His Gospel and extending the transforming grace of the Gospel to others that takes us where we are, but wonderfully and amazingly, does not leave us there. That is a hope and a promise that followers of Jesus gladly extend to everyone, because we have been recipients of that same amazing grace.

http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=38461


Title: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Mark on May 31, 2013, 04:51:29 pm
Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

Part One: Topic: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? The New Religious Right likes to spend a lot of time scaring people and raising money using the issue of homosexuality. While the Bible is very clear that homosexuality is an abomination before God, was this the sole reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Are there other issues that many of the New Religious Right and Neo-evangelicals might be involved in themselves, for which God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Topic: Why do many of the New Religious Right and Neo-evangelicals often only focus on the sin of homosexuality and ignore pride, false teaching, apostasy, and rebellion against God in their ranting and fund raising letters? Homosexuality is the symptom of a larger problem that must be addressed with the gospel. Topic: Why do most of the New Religious Right and neo-evangelicals ignore Biblical theology and doctrine? Topic: Since Minnesota passed a law allowing for same-sex marriage a female religious broadcaster in the Twin Cities has pontificated that there might be some kind of judgment on the state such as “economically or some weather-related kind of a tragedy…” Instead of looking for some kind of tragedy, such as a tornado ripping through the Twin Cities as a sign of God’s judgment, this religious broadcaster seems to not understand that the acceptance of homosexuality IS part of God’s judgment as revealed in Romans 1. Topic: How was God actually being merciful to future people and nations by destroying Sodom and Gomorrah? Topic: For what other sins, in addition to homosexuality, revealed Sodom and Gomorrah rebellion against God? Topic: What other nation is listed in the Bible as being worse than Sodom even though they did not practice the sexual abominations of Sodom? Topic: We take your calls.

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http://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-aired-may-22-2013


Title: Re: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Mark on May 31, 2013, 04:52:18 pm
it was an interesting discussion, but all the commercials in the broadcast was way over kill.


Title: Re: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Mark on May 31, 2013, 04:54:34 pm
Topic: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? (Part Two).

 On today’'s program hear the shocking audio from a television news channel in Lynchburg, Virginia in which an admitted homosexual student speaks of his time at Liberty University. The television news station reports that this man is now attending the seminary at Liberty University. The student wrote an article for “The Atlantic Magazine” in April of 2013, entitled “Being Gay at Jerry Falwell'’s University.” Topic: In the article in "The Atlantic" the student wrote: "““Before I moved off-campus, I lived with the coolest group of guys in perhaps the coolest and most esteemed hall on campus: E-6,” he stated. “When we weren’t jumping off the James River bridge naked, we were four-wheeling naked. And when we weren’t playing naked ‘Man Games’ on Thursday night (which were a two-hour series of homoerotic slap-and-tickle games), we were sneaking into the East Campus pool after hours… naked. Everyone on campus loved our guys because they were cool; I loved them because they were constantly naked."” Topic: The Christian Post reports that Liberty Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. said that the student “"hit the nail on the head"” and that "“I think Liberty has always been the place —my father said it a million times— where you hate sin but love the sinner, and never condemn anybody or judge anybody but try to help them."” Topic: Where are the pro-family leaders and religious broadcasters warning of God’'s judgment on Liberty University or a tornado ripping through Lynchburg because of how they have handled this situation or because they are now reportedly allowing this young man to enroll in a master’s program at Liberty Seminary? Many within the New Religious Right are known for predicating God’'s judgment through natural disasters when a state passes a same-sex marriage law but where are the New Religious Right when it comes to what is going on within evangelicalism? Where are the fundraising letters from the New Religious Right condemning Liberty University and asking for money so they can save America? Brannon is making the point that Christians should not expect the good ole boy club of the New Religious Right and neo-evangelicals to publically condemn or challenge the actions of Liberty University or any of the other serious theological issues inside modern-day evangelicalism. Apparently today'’s New Religious Right and neo-evangelicals don'’t take too seriously the Biblical mandate to judge those inside the faith as spoken of in I Peter 4:17 or I Corinthians 5:12 but prefer to judge the unsaved world. Perhaps raising money by ranting against the unsaved world is more successful than discussing the unbiblical actions and theology within evangelicalism? Topic: Here is another example of the problems within evangelicalism that much of the New Religious Right ignores. Hear an audio of Pat Robertson answer a women that is struggling with the fact that her husband committed adultery. Robertson tells her that “he’s a man” and “but recognize also, like it or not, males have a tendency to uh, uh, wander a little bit...” Topic: We take your calls.

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http://media.worldviewweekend.com/sites/default/files_wvw.com/audio/wvwradio-05-23-13edited_0.mp3

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-aired-may-23-2013

Havent listened to this one yet


Title: Re: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 31, 2013, 08:06:22 pm
Yeah, a lot of people(including myself) can get a misperception that God's judgment *will* come down on these respective states(and ultimately this country) if/when they pass same sex marriage. First off, we have to look at the WHOLE picture...

Go WAY back to Wescott and Hort in the 1800's - their Alexandrian texts have watered down a lot of key doctrines, including the sin of homosexuality, and most importantly the diety of Christ. Then fast-forward to the 1950's when 501c3 was passed into legislation, and I believe it was prior to that that apostate CS Lewis was embraced by churches in America. Then you had the "sexual revolution" in the 1960's, b/c Alfred Kinsey's "theories" were slowly being accepted into society, and it only planted the seeds for bigger depravity like we're seeing now. And then Rupert Murdoch came up with the NIV in 1978.

Then you had the USSC kicking prayer and bible reading out of public schools in the 60's, which has lead to New Age paganism teachings in these schools over the long haul. And then the modern-day church system got so apostate, that they embraced all of these Emergent/Postmodernism New Age teachings from Rick Warren, Brian McLaren, etc. And not to mention too it's been over 20 years when this organized church system expressed no qualms with the RCC.

So here we are in our present day - it should be no surprise that the homosexual agenda is being pushed through rather easily. It's not like these thugs just woke up one morning with this big plan and it ended up getting rammed through overnight.

Did Katrina hitting New Orleans and that recent EF5 tornado hitting Moore, OK have anything to do with them having gay pride parades? Honestly, can't say and won't speculate, as God's thoughts are not my thoughts. However, it may not be a good idea to speculate this aspect for the reason being that it ends up getting us off-track about our discernment. For example, San Francisco has had gay pride parades for years and years, why haven't they gotten any natural disasters?

And for that matter too, yeah, one of the leaven that's hit the modern-day church system is that they will ONLY focus on a *certain few* sins like abortion and homosexuality, but really won't go beyond that. For example, they're silent on other issues like no-fault divorce, adultery(as long as it's not the pastor, that is), pride and self-righteousness, false teaching(ie-since when has the likes of Billy Graham and Rick Warren been held accountable?), kids being in these secular public schools, rock music(as these churches have allowed "Christian Rock" and CCM), false bible versions, etc.

Yeah, ultimately, the homosexual agenda has hit society with rather ease now b/c this country has reaped what it sowed for a very long time. It's not like b/c we're allowing it now, that some natural disaster is going to come at any moment. And yes, I do believe this agenda is the law straw, as the bible calls it an abomination.

Gal 6:7  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.



Title: Re: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 31, 2013, 10:34:51 pm
A couple of more things...

1) Forget about all of this debate over "Are these natural disasters God's judgments or not?" - even more importantly, look at the COSTS that are a result of these natural disasters. The Moore, OK tornado costs were $1b. I mean that's ALOT of money right there for a SMALL town. Just imagine if that was New York or LA. This country is all but bankrupt, but it still has to put out a lot of money in federal aid - the more we have these weather-related disasters, the more the costs will go up, the more the FR will have to print more money hence adding to the ever-growing national debt, and the more it will play its part in the national and global economic collapse.

IMHO, if/when "the big one" hits California, it could have a devastating effect on the national economy b/c it's the largest state in the union.

2) As Christians, no, these news stories shouldn't depress us or anything - but nonetheless, look at all of the indifferent reactions to these big weather-related disasters from the rest of the country, especially the modern-day church. They're like "Eh...it's just another news story that will pass...". When I was in Ohio in 2005(was out of New Orleans at the time b/c of Katrina), I commented to a teenage cashier at the grocery store that I was a Katrina survivor - she gave me a blank stare like she had no idea what I was talking about.

No, I don't expect anyone to be "community organizers" or anything(this is unbiblical on the church's part), but nonetheless you can see the indifferent attitudes people in general have nowdays.

And the bible says there would be famine and scoffers in the last days - which is the angle of bible prophecy we should look at concerning these weather-related disasters.


Title: Re: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
Post by: Kilika on June 01, 2013, 03:59:19 am
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Topic: Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

It's right there in scripture. All one needs to do is read it!  ::)


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on August 03, 2013, 05:17:38 am
Jesus and "Same-Sex Marriage"

The argument for “same-sex marriage” often includes the myth that Jesus didn’t say anything against homosexuality, and His alleged silence on the issue is taken as support for it.

This idea could only be proposed successfully among people who are ignorant of the Jesus of the Bible and who are committed to an imaginary “Jesus” created after a contemporary image. It is an idea that resonates with a nation that is in love with the false christ of The Shack.

The Jesus of the Bible upheld the covenant of Genesis 2, which is foundational to the Bible’s teaching on marriage. When asked about divorce, Jesus replied:

“Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder” (Matthew 19:4-6).

Thus, Jesus emphatically upheld “traditional” one man/one woman marriage.

Further, the Bible as a whole is the infallible Word of God, as Paul so plainly taught.

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works: (2 Tim 3:15-17).

The words of Paul in the New Testament Epistles are no less authoritative than the words of Jesus in the Gospels, and Paul emphatically taught that homosexuality is a corruption of God’s created order. Consider the Epistle of Romans, which Paul wrote as “a servant of Jesus, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God” (Rom. 1:1). Paul is writing with authority invested in him by Christ, and in the first chapter of this Epistle homosexuality is called “vile affections” (v. 26), “against nature” (v. 26), “unseemly” (v. 27), “error” (v. 27), “a reprobate mind” (v. 28).

Those clamoring for “same-sex marriage” aren’t just opposed to a few Christian “traditionalists” who have have allegedly twisted the teaching of Christ, they are opposed to Jesus himself, at whose name “every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and ... every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:10).

http://wayoflife.org/index_files/jesus_and_same_sex_marriage.html


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 03, 2013, 08:27:17 am
I've heard a lot of the craziest things over "What Jesus said" in this modern-day pop culture - for example, I've heard from this same crowd how Jesus said nothing about gambling and steroid using.

Well, for anyone that's read passages concerning "Take therefore no thought for the morrow:...", or "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth...", or "But godliness with contentment is great gain.", or "...
for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." would clearly see that Jesus warned against them.

Rev_2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on September 01, 2013, 11:40:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuiek4YsZqY

Good teaching


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on September 01, 2013, 11:50:22 am
LGBT

Let
God
Be
True

 ;)


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 01, 2013, 11:55:44 am
LGBT

Let
God
Be
True

 ;)

That's a good one! :)


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 01, 2013, 12:05:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuiek4YsZqY

Good teaching

I've yet to listen to it(but will do so shortly) - but the sin of Sodom is NOT ONLY the sodomites(yes, they play a big part). In one of the OT major prophets(forget which one), they talk about how the sin of Sodom is PRIDE.

Let's not forget the "religious right"'s/modern-day church system's role in all of this too - for example, there was a time as recent as 10 years ago when George W. Bush got re-elected, that they felt they were controlling the world on their fingertips, thinking b/c they're the ones going out to the voting booth in masses, ultimately they're the ones that were changing the moral course of this country. I was just a window-shopping church goer then, but nonetheless even their pride and arrogantcy was pretty obvious.

It was only like a couple of years later the whole Ted Haggard scandal broke just 2 weeks or so before the 2006 midterm elections, and all of a sudden this same group started to complain how their faith felt shipwrecked. And now they wonder why Barack Obama is running this country.

Luke 16:9  And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Luk 16:10  He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luk 16:11  If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
Luk 16:12  And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?





Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on March 27, 2014, 06:15:42 am
FRANKLIN GRAHAM ON GAY MARRIAGE: GOD WILL JUDGE THIS NATION!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/franklin-graham-gay-marriage-god-will-judge-nation


Franklin, the arrival of sodomites IS a judgment..


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 27, 2014, 09:58:31 am
FRANKLIN GRAHAM ON GAY MARRIAGE: GOD WILL JUDGE THIS NATION!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/franklin-graham-gay-marriage-god-will-judge-nation


Franklin, the arrival of sodomites IS a judgment..

And this verse in the same Romans 1 passage that talks about sodomy/judgment of God...

Romans 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

For some reason, I never caught it until another brethren pointed it out to me - who HOLD the truth IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS - no, it does NOT mean those who *suppress* the truth, nor does it mean those who *live* unrighteously. It means those who have the appearance of preaching and speaking truth, but do NOT live by it! You know - those typical Churchianity preachers who preach sodomy is a grave sin, but use corrupted bible versions, have 501c3 statuses on their big church buildings, yoke together with pagan leaders like Catholics/Muslims/Mormons, etc.

Yeah, Franklin - please read the KJB, and you'll see why sodomy has infiltrated this nation.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Kilika on March 28, 2014, 04:51:34 am
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FRANKLIN GRAHAM ON GAY MARRIAGE: GOD WILL JUDGE THIS NATION!

Good grief Franklin, wake up you sold out phony! This country, and all other countries, have already been found wanting, and are now subject to the penalty of death.

"Judge"? More like lay waste!


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on April 22, 2014, 06:57:15 am
Reasons Scripture Gives for Sodom and Gomorrah’s Destruction:

A Philosophical and Scriptural Viewpoint

By Scott Denard

A very troubling and recent trend has been that through reasoning of an unknown source it has been determined that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed not for sodomy or homosexuality, but for other sins. Now, when it is said an unknown source this source is unknown by the author and to be honest, irrelevant to Scripture. It is troubling that a person in this time and age can determine what has long been held as a viewpoint of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as an error, and somehow needs to be corrected.

If one gives careful examination to the Scriptures, and has the ability to properly reason, it can be shown that philosophically an argument can be produced which reveals Moses’ meaning in his writings and also God’s intent that Man should know all the facts about Sodom and Gomorrah. If one is familiar with scriptural definition and meaning of phrases, it begins with the fact that Scripture interprets Scripture and more specifically the author of Scripture interprets the author’s meaning of the message the author intends to relay. With this understood one can move forward with the intent of the article.

Philosophical Argument

The design of the philosophical argument is simply laid out below. In order to disprove this argument one needs to show one of the premises is wrong, the conclusion is wrong, or that the Scripture does not disclose the facts detailed by the argument. Before one, argues philosophy has no place in the Bible, one has to realize God is a God of reason (Isaiah 1:18). God is also the Creator of reason and logic and that all things God does has a logical reason and intended meaning. The philosophical argument is simply the following:

Premise 1: Jesus in a theophany told Abraham that the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was so great and their sin was so grievous, that Jesus would go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that reached him (Gen. 18: 20-21).

Premise 2: The sins Jesus judged, according to the writings of Ezekiel, which Jesus confirmed during his lifetime on earth, were arrogance or pride, abundance and careless natures, being haughty and committing abominations (Ezekiel 16:49 –50).

Premise 3: Homosexuality is an abomination before God (Leviticus18:22).

Premise 4: In the city of Sodom, homosexuality existed and was given as the only example of grievous sin in Sodom outside of willingness to **** by sodomy and gang **** and use of brute force (Genesis 19:3-11).

Conclusion: Jesus came to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to judge abominations and the sinfulness of the people in these cities. One of the main abominations Jesus destroyed Sodom for was homosexuality, which also accompanies the other previous sins of pride and arrogance and being haughty. Homosexuality, if not the main reason was an accompanying sin of which the outcry have become so great to God. Therefore the city of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in direct relation to homosexuality as a cause and this part of Scripture should not be ignored.

One of the prime arguments against this line of reasoning is the use of Ezekiel 16:49-50, which is read with a deliberate intent of only processing the first part of the verse and totally ignoring “committing abominations” and what abominations means by scriptural definition as a way to justify the of view that homosexuality is okay.

A second argument as recently pointed out by a minister believed to be Episcopalian is Luke 10:1-16 and Matthew 10:14-15 parallel passages, which deal with the judgment of Sodom and the reason it will not be as severe as the cities of Jesus’ time. People willing to read into Scripture things which aren’t there try to claim this is the sole sin Sodom was destroyed for. One needs to take a careful reading of these chapters and realize Jesus is dealing with the severity of the judgment of Sodom and not the sin of Sodom.

Taken in context, Jesus only needed to mention one of Sodom sins, because this was the only relevant sin to the situation concerning rejection of the testimony and witness of Christ. To put it in plain words, which paraphrase the context of this section of the chapters, Jesus was simply saying due to Sodom’s sin of inhospitality (not Sodom’s only sin) that Sodom never had the chance to witness and hear of the miracles and healing of Jesus and therefore the judgment of Sodom could not and would not be as severe. Sodom had not been offered the chance to reject Jesus Christ as their Savior that people, after the birth of Christ had witnessed to.

One need to take notice sin always comes in multiples there’s never just one sin and if inhospitality was a sin worthy of destruction the modern world would not be in existence today. One needs to keep in mind Jesus reaffirmed the Old Testament in all its verses by teaching from them and verifying them as being truthful. Jesus did not dispute the given sins of Sodom in Genesis, Ezekiel, or any other verse of Scripture. It is not coincidence that many sites pro homosexual and pro-atheism like to use these verses out of context to confuse even ministers as is proven, but then again Scripture does declare that.

Satan will try to confuse even the elect, if possible. To give an understandable example is someone sends another to deal with a problem that both know exists, which is caused by lack of proper instruction and one is giving instructions to the one being sent it would not be necessary to discuss the total sins only the need to discuss the severity of the judgment caused by one particular sin would be necessary, such as: and mother tells the daughter to instruct the son dinner will be ready at five p.m. The mother may tell the daughter since the second son did not know the dinner will be ready at five the judgment for the second son missing dinner will be much less severe than the judgment for the first son.

Now not once in that conversation did the fact that disobedience to the mother and lack of respect for the mother was the real reason for the punishment. This is the same as Jesus mentioning the reason for the severity of the punishment without being required to mention every sin committed by Sodom and the real reason for the destruction of Sodom.

Scripture points us to the fact homosexuality played a strong role, if not a major part of the role, in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. There are only two sets of people who can deny this fact and one is the person with the agenda to rationalize acceptance of homosexuality and the other is the one who is willfully ignorant, because homosexuality is so accepted by the secular community.

Scripture is so strong on the point that homosexuality is the only example of the great sin of Sodom, and was given for the reason, that one might understand how great the sin was in Sodom. Please pictured this, one is lying on the ground being forcefully gang raped by men and being a man himself is crying out to God asking; Why did you let this happen? As a man one would be able to realize the humiliation and violation one would experience at the hands of homosexuality.

Please women did not misunderstand, this is not to state that **** is not a devastating experience for a woman, but simply to state that even worse than being raped in the course of natural sex is being raped by the usage of an unnatural sex such as sodomy, which women also can experience and be just as devastated. One should understand this is not a minimization of **** against women, but a similar devastating experience for man at the hands of men.

Then also, there is the denial of taking care of widows, orphans, and the needy, because as current events show the homosexual community becomes so violent about objections to the homosexuals behavior that there’s no stopping them, if they can make the person that objects “pay” or leave their presence. All the sins that were mentioned in Ezekiel walk hand-in-hand with homosexuality whether homosexuality brings the sin or the sin brings the homosexuality makes no difference.

There’s never homosexuality without sin and sin can also be responsible for bringing homosexuality, but where homosexuality exists there is always sin. One more point to be added is that Lots son-in-law’s thought Lot was joking. This indicates that the gang of men surrounding Lots house was a normal event and not shocking in the least to the son-in-law’s or considered worthy of punishment.

This indicates that much as in today’s society had come to the point of the acceptance of homosexuality and the associated activities that accompanied it. Homosexuality is a sin against God, which Paul declared one needed to flee from. (1Cor. 6:18) May one also consider this is exactly the advice the angels gave to Lot.

So when someone objects and denies that Sodom and Gomorrah would be judged for homosexuality and destroyed, one may use this argument to show the logic and reason that shows that homosexuality very much played a part in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Do not let anyone steal this truth of the Scripture from you. God gave us the Scriptures that we may know God and know those who would mislead you away from God.

It is interesting even some Catholic priests in order to justify homosexuality in Christianity will even plead that God created sin by creating the homosexual and therefore it is God’s responsibility that homosexuality exists. This theology is heretical, just in the fact alone that if God did create a homosexual and sin was homosexuality. God could not judge a homosexual. He could only judge Himself and God could not provide a sinless sacrifice for the atonement of our sins.

This would be because God was guilty of creating sin, which would be creating something, which would exist against His will, which is logically impossible to begin with and secondly would be sinning against Himself, which is another logical impossibility. This is an example of how far Satan has gone, even within the church, to use homosexuality and its popularity to destroy the Word of God. Homosexuality today is the greatest threat to Christianity since the Romans persecuted Christians in Rome.

There’s never been such a great divide between what Christians want to believe is sin and want to believe is acceptable behavior. Many Christians cannot separate the idea here of loving the sinner, but despising the sin because they cannot separate the two in their minds. It is sad to say, a large majority of this problem comes from the desire to be accepted and to be one of the guys rather than to stand for the truth of the Scripture and disclose in a loving way that homosexuality is a sin to the homosexual. Homosexuality is destroying the theology of the church by destroying the foundation of God’s salvation by misleading people into believing the Bible is errant in what it discloses.

Please, before you take someone’s word, confirm it with Scripture. If someone calls you a homophobic person, please consider that this phrase was coined in an interview with a psychiatrist to describe the fear of homosexuality (in a pornographic magazine named Screw.) Realize when people call you this phrase they are using porno inspired terms to discourage you from following the Word of God. They preach from the Bible of **** and we preach from the Bible of God.

Remember Paul told us to FLEE sexual immorality. So when a preacher or priest or anyone tells you it is wrong to be homophobic they are in direct conflict with the Word of God, one needs to fear the evil that comes with the sin. Homophobia is FEAR not HATE of a homosexual.

May God bless you and your families.

Thank you for your consideration of reading this article.

http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/denard2.html


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on May 18, 2014, 05:51:09 am
God's anger over gay marriage may be behind floods, says politician

The leader of the Christian People's Alliance has said it is possible the storms that caused widespread flooding in the UK last winter were the result of God's anger over gay marriage.

Sid Cordle made the comments during an appearance on BBC Two's Daily Politics when he was asked his views on a UKIP politician expelled from the party for making similar comments earlier this year.

"A lot of Christians believe that God is angry over gay marriage and God can actually show that anger," Mr Cordle told Daily Politics.

He was speaking ahead of the European elections on May 22, which CPA candidates will be contesting in London and parts of the east and south-east of England.

In the 2009 European elections, the party won 249,493 votes - 1.65 per cent - in a combined list with the Christian Party.

The CPA supports the withdrawal of Britain from the European Union and is conservative on social issues like marriage and abortion.

"There are an enormous number of Christians that have left the Conservative Party over the issue of same-sex marriage, sadly too many of them have gone to UKIP," Mr Cordle told Daily Politics.

"But I think they are beginning to find UKIP doesn't provide a natural home for Christians."

Former UKIP politician David Silvester found himself at the centre of a public row in January when he published a letter in his local newspaper, the Henley Standard, saying he had warned David Cameron back in 2012 that passing gay marriage legislation would be accompanied by "disasters".

"The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war," he wrote.

"But he went ahead despite a 600,000-signature petition by concerned Christians and more than half of his own parliamentary party saying that he should not do so."

Addressing the comments on Daily Politics, Mr Cordle said he would "certainly agree" if Mr Silvester had gone as far as to say the storms had happened because God was angry.

"It is possible," he said, although he added that "the way [Silvester] had said it was completely wrong".

"All Christians believe that God does and can do things with nature," he said.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/gods.anger.over.gay.marriage.may.be.behind.floods.says.politician/37519.htm


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on May 20, 2014, 05:42:40 am
Graham: ‘True Followers of Jesus...Cannot Endorse Same-Sex Marriage'

Rev. Franklin Graham, son of world-renowned evangelist Billy Graham, said that “true followers” of Jesus  “cannot endorse same-sex marriage” regardless of what President Barack Obama, the Congress, the Supreme Court, or the media say about the issue, adding that marriage was “settled by God Himself” and cannot be modified by man.

“True followers of Jesus Christ, whose salvation is based entirely upon God’s Word, cannot endorse same-sex marriage, regardless of what our President, the Congress, the Supreme Court, the media or the latest Gallup poll says about the matter,” said Rev. Graham in his May 2014 column for Decision magazine.

“This moral issue has been settled by God Himself and is not subject to man-made revisions or modifications,” he said. “In the end, I would rather be on the wrong side of public opinion than on the wrong side of Almighty God who established the standard of living for the world He created. Marriage is a biblically moral issue, not a political or theological one.”

Rev. Graham made those remarks after first discussing how “pressure from the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community” on the A&E cable channel had tried to force Duck Dynasty off the air last year because its patriarch, Phil Robertson, had expressed his “biblically based convictions.”

Graham also noted how the restaurant and country store chain Cracker Barrel had initially given in to LGBT pressure and pulled all its Duck Dynasty products from its shelves, only to reverse itself after an uproar by millions of Americans who support the show.

“In both cases, the LGBT lost,” said Rev. Graham.  “While many in the liberal and progressive media have deceived the public into thinking that this group makes up a large portion of our nation’s population, surveys support the fact that this small but boisterous movement consists of less than 2 percent of society.”

Rev. Graham went on to discuss how the international Christian aid group, World Vision, had also apparently given in to pressure in March, announcing that it would hire people in same-sex marriages. That decision also caused an uproar  from donors and other evangelical groups, and World Vision subsequently reversed its decision within two days.

At the time, Rev. Graham, who is head of the international Christian aid group Samaritan’s Purse, said, “In our country today, there is tremendous pressure on Christians, churches, and Christian organizations to lower our moral standards. God is clear in His Word, and His standards never change. I’m thankful that Christians across the country urged World Vision to reverse their decision, and prayed fervently that they would do so. Three cheers.”

Rev. Graham: ‘True Followers of Jesus … Cannot Endorse Same-Sex Marriage’ Regardless What the President, Media, Supreme Court Say

After commenting on Duck Dynasty and the World Vision scandal, Rev. Graham said he was grateful about how things concluded but hoped the fundamental issue would “cause a depth of soul-searching” because, as he understands it, there is no compromise on marriage.

“This debate is ultimately about something much more important than the question of same-sex marriage,” said Rev. Graham.  “It is about the great compromise, calling into question the authority of Scripture. If Christians do not agree concerning the authority of Scripture, we will eventually disagree about all sorts of things.”

He continued, “The church is on dangerous ground when it departs from the teaching of Christ and attempts to redefine His commands and compromise His truth. There are many things in Scripture that Christians disagree on, but the Bible is crystal clear about the sanctity of life and marriage. It is also clear that homosexuality is spelled out as sin—there are no ifs, ands or buts.”

Rev. Graham ended his commentary by telling those in “the LGBT community” that God “loves you and will forgive you,” and that God “is eager to forgive all sinners,” including Graham himself.

Franklin Graham, 61, is married, has five children, and lives in Boone, N.C. He is the president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and the Samaritan’s Purse.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/graham-true-followers-jesuscannot-endorse-same-sex-marriage


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 20, 2014, 11:06:40 am
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“In both cases, the LGBT lost,” said Rev. Graham.  “While many in the liberal and progressive media have deceived the public into thinking that this group makes up a large portion of our nation’s population, surveys support the fact that this small but boisterous movement consists of less than 2 percent of society.”

Both my dad and I attended a local runner's race event - the Abbot campaign(for governor, where the other candidate running is Wendy Davis) was one of the sponsors. I ended up talking a bit to the campaign workers there(don't care about the whole left/right false paradigm, but nonetheless with all of the attention Davis has been getting, thought it would be worth a chit-chat), all of whom were young.

Anyhow, the guy I talked to seemed pretty effeminate - maybe I shouldn't be surprised per se, but nonetheless this was a REPUBLICAN campaign workers team.

Pt being that the sodomy agenda has done just that - feminized the country - maybe they didn't brainwash everyone into being stone-cold sodomites, per se, but nonetheless I'm noticing a growing number of young men acting effeminate, and a growing number of young women acting masculine. Even Scott talked about this in his last audio how his daughter attended a prom, and some of the young boys were just literally dancing close-up with each other!


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2014, 06:58:26 am
Could Judgment Be Far Off? American Support for Gay Marriage Reaches All-Time High

The support among Americans for same-sex marriage continues to rise, with 55 percent supporting the law recognizing gay marriage, Gallup reports. It is the highest number in the history of the poll.

Two successive Gallup polls saw support rise from 53 percent to 54 percent, with 55 percent supporting same-sex marriage in the latest May 8-11 poll.

The numbers have steadily increased since Gallup first posed the question in 1996. Back then, 68 percent were opposed to recognizing gay marriage, with only 27 percent supporting it.

When Massachusetts became the first state to legalize marriage between homosexuals in 2004, support had reached 42 percent. Support topped 50 percent for the first time in 2011 and has remained above that level since then.

According to Gallup, the most dramatic difference in opinions tends to be between age groups.

"Currently, adults between the ages of 18 and 29 are nearly twice as likely to support marriage equality as adults aged of 65 and older," Gallup reports.

Differences are also seen among party lines, with 74 percent of Democrats supporting gay marriage compared to 30 percent of Republicans and 58 percent of independents. Republicans' support has nearly doubled since 1996.

Same-sex marriage is now legal in 19 states and the District of Columbia, and federal judges recently struck down laws banning gay marriage in Pennsylvania and Oregon.

http://www.charismanews.com/us/43956-could-judgment-be-far-off-american-support-for-gay-marriage-reaches-all-time-high

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]Could Judgment Be Far Off?

Just the ARRIVAL of sodomites in the country, IS JUDGMENT!!!! The acceptance of it is an even worse Judgment. We were judged and we rejected the Lords word and reveled and took pleasure in the judgment.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2014, 07:01:03 am
Here is proof that we take pleasure in our sins...

Rainbow flag hoisted at embassy

(http://www.onenewsnow.com/media/4869685/rainbow-flag-madridembassy2_small.jpg)

A pro-family activist is suggesting the United States may be making enemies rather than friends in its promotion of homosexuality worldwide.

Rainbow flat outside Madrid EmbassySaturday, May 17, was the 10th annual "International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia" – which President Obama commemorated by releasing an official statement equating the observance with historic struggles of the past, including the 1964 Civil Rights Act. His administration and State Department also raised the rainbow flag just beneath the American flag at least one embassy to celebrate "IDAHOT," according to a Breitbart.com report.

Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality describes it as homosexual "imperialism in action."

"What's happened is Obama has elevated the concerns of homosexual activists above the needs of the American people," he tells OneNewsNow. "I think even a lot of pro-homosexual Americans don't believe we should be shoving that in other country's faces, which is what we're doing now."

According to LaBarbera, that includes countries that have not forgotten what the Bible says.

"Other countries, especially those with more conservative moral values than the United States, they don't want to see homosexuality promoted," he argues, "and so this is going to alienate those people from the United States, all in the interests of pandering to the gay lobby."

Given the nature of the administration, LaBarbera says the only thing surprising to him is that "Obama didn't instruct his State Department to put the rainbow flag above the United States flag."

Several officials and agencies of the United Nations also released statements and videos and held special events in honor of the pro-LGBT observance.

Two days before the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia was the 20th anniversary of U.N.-proclaimed International Day of Families, held every year on May 15. The White House website lists no official statement about that observance.

- See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2014/05/22/in-your-face-rainbow-flag-hoisted-at-embassy#.U384RiihFyI



Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Kilika on May 26, 2014, 03:25:17 am
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Two days before the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia was the 20th anniversary of U.N.-proclaimed International Day of Families, held every year on May 15. The White House website lists no official statement about that observance.

Not surprising. I don't know why they still call it the White House. It's more like the Rainbow House now. ::)

But yes, I do think the US is making other countries uneasy with their promoting gays. The vast majority of Americans, and people world wide are not gay, and don't support gays as a lifestyle.

Bible or no bible, being gay is just wrong, and most people believe that, but the US government and their socialist gays insist otherwise.

And I thought George Bush was the worst US president ever. I was dead wrong! Bush is almost likeable compared to that joke of a human being in the White House now.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 26, 2014, 11:20:51 am
Not surprising. I don't know why they still call it the White House. It's more like the Rainbow House now. ::)

But yes, I do think the US is making other countries uneasy with their promoting gays. The vast majority of Americans, and people world wide are not gay, and don't support gays as a lifestyle.

Bible or no bible, being gay is just wrong, and most people believe that, but the US government and their socialist gays insist otherwise.

And I thought George Bush was the worst US president ever. I was dead wrong! Bush is almost likeable compared to that joke of a human being in the White House now.

Well, FWIW - it was under Bush's watch when FEMA went around Katrina-stricken New Orleans and breaking into homes to confiscate firearms. Just imagine if John Kerry had been President - the GOP/"conservatives" would have exploded! And Bush has also "evolved" on sodomy marriage as well.

Obama will likely be "likeable" when compared to the next President to take the oval office(assuming we make it that far, that is).


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 28, 2014, 11:23:03 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9BC7PiXUIk


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on September 01, 2014, 11:54:40 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk95QjLMeX0


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 01, 2014, 02:45:35 pm
Very good video expose, FFF! Yes, sodomy is NOT "genetically born" - it's a JUDGMENT OF GOD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk95QjLMeX0


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on September 27, 2014, 06:44:17 am
Jimmy Carter on LGBT Rights: Jesus Didn't Discriminate Against Anyone

 Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter recently spoke in support of gay rights, according to Christian Today. The Baptist Sunday School teacher made his comments at Grand Rapids Community College in Colorado Monday as part of a diversity lecture series.
 
In a video posted on mlive.com Carter said, "I never knew of any word or action of Jesus Christ that discriminated against anyone.”
 
The comments came in response to a question from the audience about human rights and the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.
 
“I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs,” Carter said. “So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine. If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.”
 
Carter is a member of Maranatha Baptist Church in Georgia.
 
Carter's comments spurred debate on blogs and various social media sites.
 
“Jesus didn't hand out cash and valuable prizes to his LGBT friends. And neither does the U.S. Constitution,” said one poster.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/jimmy-carter-on-lgbt-rights-jesus-didn-t-discriminate-against-anyone.html


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 27, 2014, 10:52:59 am
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In a video posted on mlive.com Carter said, "I never knew of any word or action of Jesus Christ that discriminated against anyone.”

He's always had this belief - back in 2006 I read one of his books where he talked about his "faith"(just moved to North Texas at the time, and had nothing to do but hang out at the local library) - pretty much he said the same thing like he did just now.(and I think this book was written years prior to when I read it)
 
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“I’m a Baptist, and I believe that each congregation is autonomous and can govern its own affairs,” Carter said. “So if a local Baptist church wants to accept gay members on an equal basis, which my church does by the way, then that is fine. If a church decides not to, then government laws shouldn’t require them to.”

But there's one catch - 99% of churches in America(like your's, Mr. Carter) are 501c3s - they ARE under the yoke of the IRS, and have to follow their laws.

Anyhow, yes - I see why his recent comments here are getting so much attention(unlike what he wrote in his book many years ago) - b/c of social media et al nowdays.

Also - Fritz Springmeyer in his writings said that Carter is a Satanist who's also a mind control slave.(no endorsement on Springmeyer, but what he said makes sense)


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on November 01, 2014, 06:38:54 am
Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Being Gay Is 'Among the Greatest Gifts God Has Given Me'

 Apple CEO Tim Cook publicly came out as gay and called his sexuality “among the greatest gifts God has given me” this week in a personally written piece for Businessweek.
 
In the piece, Cook writes that while he has not hidden his sexuality at work, he never “publicly acknowledged it.”
 
The technology mogul said, “I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.”
 
“Being gay has given me a deeper understanding of what it means to be in the minority and provided a window into the challenges that people in other minority groups deal with every day. It’s made me more empathetic, which has led to a richer life. It’s been tough and uncomfortable at times, but it has given me the confidence to be myself, to follow my own path, and to rise above adversity and bigotry. It’s also given me the skin of a rhinoceros, which comes in handy when you’re the CEO of Apple,” he continued.
 
Cook’s announcement was met with some criticism from Christian leaders.
 
Bob Stith, president of Family and Gender Issues Ministries said, "I don't think God gave that gift. From a strictly biblical standpoint this causes me to be sad for him and others that may read that and be influenced by it. Scripture calls it sin and I don't think we can ever say that sin is God's great gift to us."

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/apple-ceo-tim-cook-says-being-gay-is-among-the-greatest-gifts-god-has-given-me.html

Here is what the Lord actually gave him...

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 01, 2014, 11:04:36 am
I highly doubt Cook has any happiness or peace inside of him(as much as he acts that way outwardly).

Proverbs 13:7  There is that maketh himself rich, yet hath nothing: there is that maketh himself poor, yet hath great riches.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on November 07, 2014, 08:10:21 am
non KJV but a good article

What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality

One night I was reading the stories of people who had left the church because they thought God hated them simply because they were attracted to the same sex. I was so overcome with emotion that I put the book down, got alone in another room, fell to my knees and wept. The pain of these men and women for whom Jesus died was palpable and heartbreaking.

Could it be that we have been misinterpreting Scripture when it comes to their salvation? Could it be that there is some new understanding of the Bible that would allow us to affirm committed, same-sex relationships?

If not, does that mean that we tell a 15 year-old girl who identifies as lesbian, "If you want to follow Jesus, you'll have to be celibate for the rest of your life, never enjoying the companionship of a spouse and abstaining from sex for life"? Do we tell her, "If you do want to be married, you'll have to find a way to be attracted to men"? Is that the good news of the gospel?

A spate of books, videos, articles and blogs would tell us that, indeed, that is not the gospel and that the good news of Jesus is that you can follow Him and enjoy a committed, homosexual relationship too. And some of the authors of these books, videos, articles and blogs claim to be committed Christians themselves.

How do we sort this out?

It's really not that difficult. God's Word is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path (Ps. 119:105). It is "living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" (Heb. 4:12-13).

If we will humble ourselves before the Lord, keeping our focus on Jesus and asking the Father to give us His heart for those who identify as LGBT, letting the unequivocal testimony of Scripture guide us, we will find clarity.

So what does the Word of God say about homosexual practice?

Here are five simple truths that will help separate truth from error and biblical revelation from emotion. (For those wanting a more in-depth treatment, please see my newest book, Can You Be Gay and Christian?)

1) The testimony of Scripture remains unchanged: The Bible forbids homosexual practice.

It's clear that the vast majority of those who have changed their views on what the Bible says about homosexuality and now believe in "gay Christianity" have done so based on either their own same-sex desires and attractions or their interaction with "gay Christians" (or with any gay or lesbian person who challenges their assumptions).

In other words, they have not changed their thinking based on study of the Scriptures alone, since no new textual, archeological, sociological, anthropological or philological discoveries have been made in the last 50 years that would cause us to read any of these biblical texts differently.

Put another way, it is not that we have gained some new insights into what the biblical text means based on the study of the Hebrew and Greek texts. Instead, people's interaction with the LGBT community has caused them to understand the biblical text differently. This means that, rather than interpreting their sexuality through the lens of the Scriptures, they are interpreting the Scriptures through the lens of their sexuality. This is a guaranteed path to deception.

The Word of God, which represents His heart and will for His creation, is absolutely clear on the subject, prohibiting all forms of homosexual practice. This is so clear that a number of leading gay and lesbian theologians acknowledge that they can only justify "gay Christianity" by rejecting the full authority of Scripture.

2) The Bible is a heterosexual book.

Gay theologians often make reference to the so-called "clobber passages" in the Scriptures, by which they mean the main verses the church has used to clobber them over the head with the Bible.

They raise two main arguments against the use of these verses.

First, they claim that the verses have been mistranslated, misinterpreted or misused and so, in reality, these Scriptures do not prohibit monogamous, committed, homosexual relationships. Yet they cannot offer any new evidence to back this claim, since none exists.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they point out that out of more than 31,000 verses in the Bible, there are between six and eight "clobber passages" consisting of a total of less than 25 verses.

How important can it actually be? And why does the church make such a big deal about something that God's Word hardly addresses? Isn't this evidence of homophobic attitudes in the church rather than a careful representation of God's heart as expressed in His Word?

My friend Larry Tomzcak, an author and cultural commentator, offers a helpful illustration that puts the so-called "clobber passages" in a larger context.

Let's say you buy a new cookbook featuring healthy dessert recipes, none of which use sugar. In the introduction to the book, the author explains her reasons for avoiding sugar products, telling you that you will find sumptuous, sweet dessert recipes, but all without sugar. And so, throughout the rest of the book, the word sugar is not found a single time.

Would it be right to conclude that avoiding sugar was not important to the author? To the contrary, it was so important that every single recipe in the book makes no mention of sugar.

It is exactly the same when it comes to the Bible and homosexuality.

There are a few, very strong, very clear, references to homosexual practice—every one of them decidedly negative—and then not a single reference to homosexual practice throughout the rest of the Bible. It is not part of God's "recipe" for humanity.

Throughout the Word, the only relationships that were acceptable in God's sight or considered normal for society were heterosexual relationships, and so homosexual practice was either irrelevant (because it had nothing to do with the God-ordained relationships of marriage and family and society) or, if mentioned, explicitly condemned.

To give just one example out of hundreds, when a gay couple reads the Word and they come to Paul's words in Ephesians 5:22, 25, "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. ... Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her," they cannot possibly relate to those words the way a heterosexual couple relates to them, since they do not have a true husband-wife relationship.

Yet those are the only kinds of romantic and sexual relationships that God speaks of, and that is the only kind of marriage He recognizes or blesses: a man and woman coming together in a lifetime commitment before Him.

3) Gender complementarity is of foundational importance.

Despite recent attempts to downplay this truth, male-female complementarity is part of God's foundational design.

As we see in Genesis 1-2, it is out of Adam that God forms Eve, the two of them uniquely complementing each other, to the point that when Adam sees his helper and counterpart, he exclaims, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman [Hebrew 'ishah], because she was taken out of Man ['ish]" (Gen. 2:23).

As Old Testament scholar Gordon Wenham notes, "In ecstasy man bursts into poetry on meeting his perfect helpmeet."

And this is what we cannot miss: It is because the woman was taken out of the man that the very next verse says this: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24).

Genesis is teaching us that because the woman was taken out of the man, the two are now joined back together as one in marital union, each one uniquely complementing the other. And notice: There's not a word here yet about reproduction or procreation, simply about union (even if procreation is the presupposed outcome).

Only a man and a woman can be joined (rejoined!) together in this way.

A man plus a man or a woman plus a woman cannot possibly share the same union as a man and a woman, since they do not share the essential of fundamental sameness and difference.

To rephrase the famous axiom of John Gray, namely, that men are from Mars and women are from Venus, Mars + Mars or Venus + Venus cannot ever equal Mars + Venus.

And in the words of a man who lived as a homosexual all his life (he's now past 70) but has recently found the Lord, "Even an atheist can understand the lack of anatomical complementarity and therefore biological purpose in male-to-male or female-to-female sexuality."

4) Jesus knew exactly what was inside people, including their "sexual orientation."

We are told today that biblical authors did not understand sexual orientation and that they had no concept of committed, long-term same-sex relationships. What the biblical authors rejected, we are told, was man-boy relationships, or male prostitution, or homosexual promiscuity.

All these sinful practices were certainly rejected, but biblical authors like Paul were certainly aware of long-term, male-male relationships.

More importantly, Hebrews 4:13 states that "no creature is hidden from [God's] sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account." And it is this God who inspired the writers of the Scriptures. Are gay theologians willing to say that the Lord Himself didn't understand modern-day, still-evolving concepts like "sexual orientation"?

And are they willing to say that the Lord Jesus, who literally looked into the hearts and souls of human beings—John 2:25 says that He knew what was in man—didn't understand that certain people were "gay"? We're not talking about the writers of Scripture understanding modern science. We're talking about them—including Jesus Himself—understanding human nature.

To everyone who professes to be a gay Christian, I ask you to get alone with God and ask yourself, "Did God create and design me to be with the same-sex or the opposite sex?"

5) The gospel brings good news to homosexual men and women.

Gay theologians tell us that the traditional gospel message is a "bad tree," bringing forth the bad fruit of depression, apostasy and even suicide among gay men and women.

To the contrary, the message of the gospel brings forgiveness, freedom, hope and deliverance, as countless thousands of ex-gays can attest, by which I mean followers of Jesus who no longer practice homosexuality. Some of them have even become heterosexual, but even those who have not found a change in their sexual desires have found wholeness and satisfaction in the Lord.

In the words of Sam Allberry, a British pastor who is still same-sex attracted but is living a celibate, holy life: "Every Christian is called to costly sacrifice. Denying yourself does not mean tweaking your behavior here and there. It is saying 'No' to your deepest sense of who you are, for the sake of Christ. To take up a cross is to declare your life (as you have known it) forfeit. It is laying down your life for the very reason that your life, it turns out, is not yours at all. It belongs to Jesus. He made it. And through His death he has bought it."

Allberry is frequently asked, "But isn't it harder for someone who is gay?"

His answer is clear: "The gospel demands everything of all of us. If someone thinks the gospel has somehow slotted into their life quite easily, without causing any major adjustments to their lifestyle or aspirations, it is likely that they have not really started following Jesus at all. And just as the cost is the same for all of us, so too are the blessings." (For more from Allberry, read Is God Anti-Gay?)

To every reader who is same-sex attracted, I encourage you not to define yourself by your desires but to put all your effort into knowing the Lord and finding intimacy with Him one day at a time, not rewriting the Bible to suit your sexual attractions but casting yourself on God's goodness and mercy. You will find Him to be absolutely trustworthy, totally understanding and more than enough to meet your every need.

Let us, then, not waver in our biblical stance, knowing that is the truth that sets people free (John 8:31-32). 

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/45975-what-the-bible-really-says-about-homosexuality


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 17, 2015, 09:59:10 pm
http://blessings.buzz/2015/01/16/grown-children-of-gay-couples-tell-courts-why-they-support-traditional-marriage/
1/16/15
Grown Children of Gay Couples Tell Courts Why They Support Traditional Marriage

The battle over same sex marriage has brought about many legal claims – but not all from the couples themselves. Children of same sex couples often sue for the lack of family stability and denied benefits that a non recognized marital status entails. But some grown children of gay parents are now speaking out against gay marriage – based on their negative experiences.

First, we need to muddle through all the hyperbole and understand what this debate is really about.

Award winning author and apologist Frank Turek writes in Correct, Not Politically Correct,

Activists want same sex marriage because they understand that government backed same sex marriage will validate and normalize homosexuality throughout society.

In his book, “Same-Sex Marriage–Challenges and Responses,” Greg Koukl states, “Same sex marriage is not about civil rights. It is about validation and social respect. It is a radical attempt at civil engineering using government muscle to strong-arm the people into accommodating a lifestyle many find deeply offensive, contrary to nature, socially destructive, and morally repugnant.”  Same sex marriage advocate Andrew Sullivan understands this. He writes, “Including homosexuals within marriage would be a means of conferring the highest form of social approval imaginable.”
This is the real reason homosexual activists are relentlessly pushing to get the government to endorse same sex marriage…they want the social approval that same sex marriage will win them.

This argument will not likely end soon. States throughout the country have spoken to their desires for their residents, yet activist courts have sought to undo the will of many of these states.

Recently, four adult children filed a brief to the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals. In question is whether the harm they experienced was due to bad parenting or an overcompensation to normalize gay unions. In some cases, being refused access to heterosexual families left only one family type to model after.

It’s difficult to ascertain if these particular parents were simply selfish and without boundaries because they were also gay, as their children surmise. What becomes their theme is that children need and have a God-given right to a mother and a father, despite what the gay community may claim. Their stories reflect some abuse or simply neglect. One adult daughter recalls her male friends being propositioned by her dad and his gay partner. The unnatural preoccupation of sex was a theme throughout their childhoods.

The reason Christians have opposed same sex marriage so strongly is two-fold. The Bible has clear instructions regarding all sexuality, and the Biblical family is the symbol of God’s image on the earth. Removing all signs of God in current society continues to be the theme of the day, as His image is clearly under attack. Why else the vehement demand to normalize what abruptly distorts His image?

One thing is certain. Opening the legal box may provide more questions than answers, at least for the time being.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on April 16, 2015, 05:41:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpUrmDdfqgg


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 29, 2015, 05:27:04 pm
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Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on July 08, 2015, 07:41:37 am
Jimmy Carter Says Jesus Would Approve Of Gay Marriage

Faith is important to former President Jimmy Carter, and he writes about it extensively in his new memoir A Full Life: Reflections at Ninety. But his religious beliefs don't keep him from supporting every American's right to marry the person they love.

HuffPost Live's Marc Lamont Hill asked Carter on Tuesday whether he believes Jesus would approve of gay marriage, and Carter said he does.

"I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture. ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don't see that gay marriage damages anyone else," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/07/jimmy-carter-gay-marriage_n_7744390.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 08, 2015, 09:08:42 am
Jimmy Carter Says Jesus Would Approve Of Gay Marriage

Faith is important to former President Jimmy Carter, and he writes about it extensively in his new memoir A Full Life: Reflections at Ninety. But his religious beliefs don't keep him from supporting every American's right to marry the person they love.

HuffPost Live's Marc Lamont Hill asked Carter on Tuesday whether he believes Jesus would approve of gay marriage, and Carter said he does.

"I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture. ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don't see that gay marriage damages anyone else," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/07/jimmy-carter-gay-marriage_n_7744390.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

I read one of his books 10 years ago(when I first moved to North Texas, and was reading books at the local library while we were in transition) - he said the same thing in it. I don't know how long ago it was written(I believe in the 1990's), but he pretty much said that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on August 23, 2015, 10:55:53 am
On Further Review– Why Gay Marriage Can’t Be Christian Marriage

Now that we’ve had a couple of months to reflect on the Supreme Court’s decision about gay marriage, perhaps it would be possible to have a reasonable discussion as to why, whatever the government may say about civil relationships and what should and shouldn’t be legal, nevertheless from a Christian point of view, gay marriage is an oxymoron– a contradiction in terms. Here are seven possible talking points:

SEVEN REASONS WHY GAY MARRIAGE ISN’T MARRIAGE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE AND CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE THEOLOGY

1) Jesus was perfectly clear— marriage is when God brings a man and a woman together who are capable of sharing a one flesh union with the possibility of fulfilling the creation order mandate— be fruitful and multiply (see Mk. 10/ Mt. 19).

2) Jesus was equally clear in Mt. 19 that the alternative for his disciples was celibacy in singleness, which is what ‘being a eunuch for the kingdom’ refers to.

3) In order to meet the requirements for being a husband according to the household codes in Col. 3.-4 and Ephes. 5-6 one must: 1) be a male, and 2) have a partner who is a member of the opposite sex. Men cannot be wives, however much they may try and play such a role, nor can women be husbands, and a relationship that involves either two men or two women produces exactly NO husbands or wives.

4) The only couple capable of being a father and a mother of their own biological children is a man and a woman. Adoption only makes a person a surrogate father or mother at best. And if one person is the biological parent of the child, whereas his or her partner is not, then in fact one has deprived the child of either their birth mother or their birth father. They have come to have a child ‘out of wedlock’, if one counts either gay or lesbian relationships as marriage.

5) A child deserves to have both a mother and a father, and more particularly their own biological parents if humanly possible. Any relationship which involves two mothers (one of whom is not the real mother) or two fathers (one of whom is not the biological father) does not provide the modeling of what a husband and wife/mother and father relationship should look like under any sort of normal circumstances.

6) Same sex sexual activity, whether between consenting adults or through some other sort of relationship, is clearly defined as a sin in both the OT and the NT, indeed a serious sin. If this is correct, then gay marriage is a non-starter.

7) There is an irreducible biological or gender component to being a man or a woman. One does not get to choose one’s biology, one’s XY chromosomes. The creation story in Gen. 1-2 makes perfectly clear that the only ‘suitable companion’ for the man was a woman, and this is because God created us male and female in his image. Only so could we perpetuate the human race. Only so could we be mini-creators of more human beings, so mirroring one aspect of God the Creator.

At the end of the day either we realize that gender matters, and gender difference is essential to a real Christian marriage, or we totally change the definition of what counts as marriage, what counts as husband and wife, what counts as mother and father Biblically speaking. It is in no way surprising that in the most individualistic and narcissistic culture on the planet, that Americans would like to be able to even choose their gender, their own biology. But in fact you can’t do that, and since gender matters Biblically speaking when it comes to Christian marriage, you also do not have Biblical permission to redefine marriage, husband, wife, mother or father.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bibleandculture/2015/08/12/on-further-review-why-gay-marriage-cant-be-christian-marriage/


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 13, 2016, 10:20:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcYxVecrp3M


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on June 30, 2016, 08:24:54 pm
THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD’S RAINBOW AND THE LGBT PRIDE RAINBOW

The number 7 in the Bible as well as in nature show the completeness and perfectness of our Heavenly Father. The number 6, on the other hand, does not fare so well. The number is first mentioned in connection with the flood of Noah, and last mentioned with the Mark of the Beast and the Battle of Armageddon. All judgments on sin. The Mark of the Beast includes three 6's, a complete judgement on sin. How many colors in the LGBT Pride Rainbow? You guessed it - 6.

GOD’S RAINBOW, THE ONE THAT HE SET IN THE SKY AS A SIGN TO NOAH, HAS 7 OBSERVABLE COLORS IN IT – RED, ORANGE. YELLOW, GREEN, BLUE, VIOLET, AND INDIGO.

“And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.” Genesis 9:11-13 (KJV)

I was reading earlier how Skittles traded in its iconic rainbow packaging for a monochromatic black-and-white design in honor of LGBT Pride parade celebrations in London this week.

The candy company joined in the celebration earlier this week and handed out limited-edition black-and-white bags filled with white Skittles, with a black S imprinted on them. An all-white Skittles float was also seen making its way through the thousands of revelers during the Pride parade in London.

AND IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT THE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD’S RAINBOW AND THE COUNTERFEIT LGBT PRIDE RAINBOW SYMBOL.

God’s rainbow, the one that He set in the sky as a sign to Noah, has 7 observable colors in it – red, orange. yellow, green, blue, violet, and indigo. The number 7 is strongly associated with God and His perfect completeness. Please note the following about the number 7:

There are 7 days of the week – Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday
There are 7 continents – Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia/Oceania, Europe, North America, and South America
The Name Jehovah appears 7 times in the King James Bible – Genesis 22:14, Exodus 6:3, Exodus 17:15, Judges 6:24, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 2:2, Isaiah 26:4
There are 7 Churches in Revelation – Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea
There are 7 notes in the musical scale – C, D, E, F, G, A, B
There are 7 colors when light passes through a prism –  the three primary colors and four secondary ones affectionately known as ROYGBIV
There are 7 levels in the Periodic Table of the Elements – the 7 levels of periodicity
Further, there are the 7 Mysteries given to the apostle Paul, 7 baptisms of fire, 7 resurrections, and a whole host of other 7’s. Multiples of 7 also figure into the biblical narrative: the “seventy weeks” prophecy in Daniel 9:24 concerns 490 years (7 times 7 times 10). Jeremiah 29:10 predicted the Babylonian Captivity would last for seventy years (7 times 10). According to Leviticus 25:8, the Year of Jubilee was to begin after the passing of every forty-ninth year (7 times 7).

Are you starting to get the picture? The number 7 in the Bible as well as in nature shows the completeness and perfectness of our Heavenly Father. The number 6, on the other hand, does not fare so well. The number is first mentioned in connection with the flood of Noah, and last mentioned with the Mark of the Beast and the Battle of Armageddon. All judgments on sin. The Mark of the Beast includes three 6’s, a complete judgement on sin.

How many colors in the LGBT Pride Rainbow? You guessed it – 6.

GILBERT BAKER, AN ARTIST AND DRAG QUEEN, FIRST CREATED THE RAINBOW FLAG IN 1978.

Baker’s rainbow flag actually originally had eight colors – hot pink, red, orange, yellow, green, turquoise, indigo/blue and violet — but it gradually lost its stripes until it became the six-color version most commonly used today. Each of the colors has its own significance, he says: hot pink for sex, red for life, orange for healing, yellow for sunlight, green for nature, turquoise for art, indigo for harmony and violet for spirit.

The flag lost its hot pink stripe when Baker approached the Paramount Flag Company to begin mass producing them – the hot pink fabric was too rare and expensive to include. The flag lost its indigo stripe before the 1979 Gay Freedom Day Parade. The committee organizing the parade wanted to split the flag in half and fly each part from the light poles along both sides of Market Street, so it became a six-striped flag. Baker says the flag was cemented as an international symbol in 1994, when he made a mile-long flag for the 25th anniversary of the Stonewall riots.

ABOUT THAT PRIDE THING…

As a Bible believer, I always found it odd that the LGBT would call their movement the Pride movement. The Bible says that all the ‘children of pride’ have a king set over them to rule them, and that king is the Devil who shows up as Leviathan in the book of Job:

“He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.” Job 41:34 (KJV)

And, oh yeah, that’s the sixth place where the word ‘pride’ appears in the Bible.

Just sayin’…

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/difference-between-gods-rainbow-lgbt-pride-rainbow/


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 04, 2016, 10:15:48 am
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Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 04, 2016, 11:15:56 am
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Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 04, 2016, 11:58:18 am
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Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Mark on July 07, 2016, 07:13:05 pm
Biblical Sexual Ethics in Light of God’s Institution of Marriage
June 24, 2016

Mike Harding
Definition of Marriage

Marriage is the exclusive God-ordained institution between one man (husband) and one woman (wife) in a mutually consented “one-flesh” relationship, consisting of mutually supportive companionship and physical union (Gen. 1:27; 2:24; 1 Cor. 7:1–6; Rom. 1:26, 27). As such, marriage is a lifelong, monogamous, heterosexual, covenant relationship between the man and the woman, publicly entered into before God as witness and enforcer (Prov. 2:17; Mal. 2:16; Matt. 19:6) and recognized by God’s institution of human government (Deut. 22:13–17; Gen. 29:25, 26; Rom. 13:1; Matt. 22:21).The marriage covenant is authoritatively based on divine law and normally recognized by civil law.

The marital covenant with God as witness and enforcer involves certain obligatory responsibilities on the side of both husband and wife: (1) marital love including conjugal relations (Gen. 2:23, 24); (2) living together as a single household (Gen. 2:24); (3) faithfulness to the marriage bed (Exod. 20:14); (4) provision for the wife by the husband (Gen. 30:30; Deut. 22:13–29); (5) submission to the husband by the wife (Gen. 3:16); and (6) the proper raising of any children born to the union (Ezra 9, 10; Mal. 2; Eph. 5–6).Thus, marriage is not a matter of mere social convention but rather is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, defined by God alone, instituted by God, and entered into before God.
Biblical Theology of Sexual Ethics

Sexual relations do not alone constitute a genuine marriage (John 4:17, 18) due to the fact that sexual activity and relations outside the marriage bond as defined above are always considered to be sinful (Heb. 13:4; Matt. 19:9).

It is absolutely necessary in a militantly pagan culture to submit our sexual practice as believers to the Lordship of Christ, which will result in God’s glory and our good. Natural sexual desire is a gift of God and is to be placed in the service of God exclusively through marriage. God affirms the beauty of the one-flesh relationship exclusively within the confines of God-ordained marriage (Gen. 2:24, 25; Song of Solomon; Prov. 5:15–19; Heb. 13:4; 1 Cor. 7:1–6).The initial purpose for the one-flesh relationship is procreational as the natural result of sexual union and fulfilling the dominion mandate (Gen. 1:28; cf. Gen. 9:1).The second purpose of the one-flesh relationship is relational (Gen. 2:18, 21–23), thereby alleviating man’s aloneness. The third purpose of the one-flesh relationship is social. Unrestrained sexual license greatly contributes to an undisciplined and disorderly society, producing family breakdown, divorce, illegitimacy, disease, the welfare state, abuse, criminal behavior, bitterness, and slavery to sin (Matt. 5:8, 28; Job 31:1; Ps. 119:9; Gen. 2:25; cf. Ps. 51:10; Rom. 1:18–32). Without accepted norms based on Biblical prescription there will not be sufficient public restraint to control acts of sexual impropriety and immodesty in society (Ezek. 16:36; 23:18; Rom. 13:1–6). The final purpose of the oneflesh relationship in monogamous, heterosexual marriage is recreational. Sexual pleasure is God’s gracious gift for His image bearers to be enjoyed exclusively in marriage without fear, shame, or guilt as the ultimate expression of marital love (Song of Solomon; Prov. 5:15–19; Heb. 13:4; 1 Cor. 7).

All other forms of sexual activity outside of monogamous, heterosexual marriage are forbidden in Scripture, including fornication (“any sexual activity outside of marriage,” 1 Cor. 7:2; 1 Thess. 4:3), adultery (“with someone other than one’s own spouse,” Exod. 20:14; Matt. 5:28), palingamy (“remarriage to a formerly divorced spouse after an intervening marriage,” Deut. 24:1–4), homosexuality (“any same-sex sexual activity,” Gen. 19:5–7; Lev. 18:22; Rom. 1:27; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; 1 Tim. 1:9–11; Jude 7), incest (“sexual activity with family members or relatives,” Lev. 20:11–21; 1 Cor. 5:1), obscenity (Eph. 5:3, 4), pornography (Matt. 5:28; Mark 7:21, 22; Gal. 5:19–26; 1 Thess. 4:5; Rev. 18:9), prostitution (Prov. 5:1–23; 7:4–27; 1 Cor. 6:18), transvestitism (Deut. 22:5; 1 Cor. 11), criminal sexual behavior (****, molestation, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, pederasty, etc., Rom. 13:1–6; Lev. 18–22), and impurity (“moral filth in one’s heart and thoughts,” James 1:21; Rev. 22:11; Rom. 1:24; 2 Pet. 2:10).

Sexual activity is not to be worshiped or idolized as is so commonly done in modern society. All people, including Christians in particular, are obligated by their creaturely existence to enjoy God’s gracious gifts while gratefully acknowledging the Creator’s purposes and parameters for those gifts, particularly the gift of sexuality (Rom. 1:18–32). All sexual sin is ultimately a violation of the covenantal relationship God has established with the first man and woman as representatives of the human race to whom God directly gave the gift of human sexuality within the exclusive confines of monogamous, heterosexual marriage. Those who violate God’s design for sexual activity and marriage do so at their own peril and ultimately dehumanize and degrade a person into sinful bondage and sexual slavery.
Biblical View of Homosexuality

Homosexuality consists of both same-sex erotic attraction and sexual activity. A homosexual is one who nurtures an ongoing erotic, romantic desire for a person of the same gender, culminating in sexual involvement. Homosexuality, then, is the result of a sinful cultivation and conditioning in contrast to a natural, biological orientation. Homosexuality is not a civil right protected in the US Constitution. This equates a desired act with a constitutional right and assumes that homosexuality is an inherent part of one’s biological nature. Such reasoning would eventually be used to justify other unlawful desires such as pedophilia, incest, polygamy, bestiality, necrophilia, or molestation.

Homosexuality is a clear violation of the created order of God. It violates the heterosexual nature of marriage between one man and one woman (Gen. 2:24), the complementarian nature of marriage, where the woman is the exclusively suitable answer to man’s aloneness in marital love and physical union (Gen. 2:18–20; 3:16–19; Eph. 5:22–33; 1 Pet. 3:1–7), and homosexuality violates the fulfillment of the dominion mandate necessitating procreation (Gen. 1:28).

The first instance of homosexual behavior in the Bible is answered by severe judgment (Gen. 19:4–11). The term “know” in this context clearly refers to sexual activity between members of the same sex (Gen. 19:5, 8; cf. Gen. 4:1, 17, 25; 24:16; 38:26). Jude 6–8 and 2 Peter 2:4–10 clarify that the cities were characterized by unnatural sexual desires. Judges 19:22–25 parallels the situation in Sodom, where the men are aggressively seeking same-sex involvement. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 label homosexual behavior as an abomination along with other sexual sins. These sins violate the created order, the holy attributes of God’s nature and character, and are repeatedly mentioned again in the New Testament as sinful, abominable, and contrary to the will of God. Homosexuality particularly was a constant threat to the holiness of Israel from the surrounding Canaanite nations (Gen. 9:20–27; Deut. 23:17, 18; Judges 19:22–25; 1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7; Ezek. 16:49, 50; 18:12; 33:26).

Homosexuality is repeatedly condemned by God in the New Testament. Romans 1:26–32 condemns the practice of homosexuality by men or women and further condemns the condoning of such sinful activity (vv. 31, 32). First Corinthians 6:9, 10 condemns both partners in the homosexual encounter.“ Effeminate” (malakoi) and “homosexuals” (‘arsenoikoitoi) refer to the passive and active sides of the homosexual relationship respectively. The “effeminate” are those who willingly allow themselves to be sodomized, whereas the “homosexuals” are those who actively engage in sodomizing the effeminate. First Timothy 1:10 mentions the violation of the seventh commandment to include both “immoral men and homosexuals,” citing the same Greek term used in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and the Greek translation (LXX) of the Hebrew term in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Finally, 2 Peter 2:6 and Jude 7 reference the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah for indulging in gross immorality and going after strange flesh—that is men with men.

God’s Will for Sinners It is the clear will of God for all human beings made in the image of God to abstain from immorality. This is especially true for professing believers in Christ (1 Thess. 4:1–8). His image-bearers must abstain from immorality and refrain from approving immoral behavior (Rom. 1:31, 32). Those who practice these sins and give approval of such will not inherit the Kingdom of God (Eph. 5:3–5; cf. Gal. 5 and 1 Cor. 6).

Thankfully, God in His grace offers His gospel to all sinners. All human beings are sinners (Rom. 3:23). He promises to wash, sanctify, and justify any sinner who comes to Him with repentant faith in the Person and cross-work of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Though sexual sin carries severe consequences in this life and eternal judgment in the life to come, all sin, including sexual sin, can be forgiven via the grace of God available on account of Christ’s infinite atonement for sin applied to those who repent of their sin and place their unreserved trust in Jesus Christ alone for their eternal salvation (1 Cor. 6:9–11; Acts 17:30; 1 John 1:9; Rom. 6:1-–7). Because of human depravity, it is possible for any man to commit any sin at any time. Therefore we must humbly take every opportunity to help others by introducing them to Jesus Christ, the only Savior of man from sin. In addition, we must help any professing Christian who is battling with sexual sin. We do so by accurately calling sin what it is and second by encouraging genuine repentance in order to restore fellowship with Christ and the joy of one’s salvation (Ps. 51).Christ did not die to save us from an orientation; He died to save us from our sin. Jesus Christ is love incarnate (1 John 4:8) and therefore by “reason of his much love” sacrificed his life on the cross in order save us, regenerate us, justify us, and sanctify us. In this way we bear one another’s burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ (Gal. 6:1–6).

http://www.proclaimanddefend.org/2016/06/24/biblical-sexual-ethics-in-light-of-gods-institution-of-marriage-2/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 14, 2016, 02:08:53 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/finding-prince-charming-lgbtq-gay-dating-show-premiere-network-television/

‘Finding Prince Charming’ LGBTQ Gay Dating Show To Premiere On Network Television

“Logo has a long history of showcasing LGBTQ-focused stories with memorable characters that transcend pop culture,” said Pamela Post, SVP of original programming for Logo. “’Finding Prince Charming’ will take viewers on a whirlwind journey through modern love and relationships in a way that only Logo can do.”

7/12/16

Logo has greenlit “Finding Prince Charming,” a reality dating competition featuring a cast of all gay men. Lass Bass is set to host.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

“Finding Prince Charming” will include a cast of 13 suitors. All the men will live in the same house together, as they compete to win the heart of one of the “nation’s most eligible gay heartthrob.” The contestants will be eliminated one-by-one, and in the final episode, the heartthrob will choose his one ideal man to “commit to an exclusive relationship,” per Logo.

“Logo has a long history of showcasing LGBTQ-focused stories with memorable characters that transcend pop culture,” said Pamela Post, SVP of original programming for Logo. “’Finding Prince Charming’ will take viewers on a whirlwind journey through modern love and relationships in a way that only Logo can do.”

Reality dating shows have had long success on television, but an American series has never featured an all-gay cast. Back in 2003, Bravo broke ground with the series “Boy Meets Boy,” though the reality show did feature both gay and heterosexual men. The graybeard of dating shows, “The Bachelor” franchise on ABC, has received criticism for its lack of diverse casting, having largely featured white suitors and leading ladies. The current season of “The Bachelorette” stars a half-Persian Bachelorette, but viewers and critics have called out the network for never selecting an African-American star. That franchise, along with many others in the genre, has never featured an all-gay cast or suitor.

Bass — best known for NSYNC — came out in 2006 with a highly publicized People magazine cover. In 2007, he penned a biography “Out of Sync” in which he discussed his sexuality. His wedding to his longtime partner was featured on a 2015 E! special “Lance Loves Michael: The Lance Bass Wedding.” Bass has been featured in GLAAD campaigns supporting the LGBT community, he has fundraised for the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network and was awarded with the Human Rights Campaign Visibility Award.

Bass recently appeared as a regular panelist on “The Meredith Vieira Show.” He has also worked as a guest correspondent on “Entertainment Tonight.”

“Finding Prince Charming” hails from Brian Graden Media with Brian Graden, Dave Mace, Fred Birckhead and Nick Murray exec producer. For Logo, Chris McCarthy, Pamela Post and Stevenson Greene are exec producers and Jen Passovoy will serve as producer. source


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 19, 2016, 01:46:42 pm
FYI, this song was put out by a sodomite who died of AIDS (Freddie Mercury) many years ago.

https://www.yahoo.com/music/queen-confirm-donald-trump-champions-112404249.html
7/19/16
Queen Confirm Donald Trump’s “We Are The Champions” Use Was Unauthorized (Again)

Last night, on the first night of the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump walked on stage to Queen’s “We Are The Champions” to introduce his wife Melania Trump’s partially plagiarized speech. The use of the song was (obviously) unauthorized, which Queen confirmed this morning via a tweet from their official account.

This is the second time that the remaining members of the band requested that Trump not use the song at his political functions. Last month, Brian May posted a note on his personal website after the presidential candidate began using the track as his “theme song”:

I’ve had an avalanche of complaints – some of which you can see in our ‘LETTERS’ page – about Donald Trump using our We Are The Champions track as his ‘theme’ song on USA TV. This is not an official Queen statement, but I can confirm that permission to use the track was neither sought nor given. We are taking advice on what steps we can take to ensure this use does not continue. Regardless of our views on Mr Trump’s platform, it has always been against our policy to allow Queen music to be used as a political campaigning tool. Our music embodies our own dreams and beliefs, but it is for all who care to listen and enjoy.


Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 30, 2016, 05:38:49 pm
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-meningitis-men-20160729-snap-story.html

Meningitis outbreaks among gay men have experts puzzled 


7/30/16

As cases of meningitis, a rare and potentially fatal disease, popped up in cities nationwide over the past several years, public health officials noticed a trend: many of those infected were gay men.

There’s no known medical reason why meningitis, which is transmitted through saliva, would spread more among gay and bisexual men. Yet New York, Chicago and now Southern California have experienced outbreaks disproportionately affecting that population.

“It is perplexing,” said Dr. Rachel Civen, a medical epidemiologist at L.A. County’s Department of Public Health.

Of the 13 cases of meningitis this year in L.A. County — excluding Long Beach, which has its own health department — seven were gay men. There were only 12 meningitis cases in the county in all of 2015, one of which was a gay or bisexual man.

In Long Beach, there have been six meningitis cases this year, half of which were gay men. Last year there were no meningitis cases in the city, according to city officials.

Civen, who has tracked the county’s meningitis cases for a decade, said it was “pretty striking” that half or more of the cases in both jurisdictions were gay men.

Meningitis cases in L.A. and Orange counties are thought to be connected because lab testing showed that many patients were infected with the same strain of meningococcus, known as serotype C.

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Title: Re: What did Jesus actually say?
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 03, 2016, 12:28:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYy_XZXP41o