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As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.

States following this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York. These States have requested that the Obama Administration grant a peaceful withdrawal from the United States.

These citizen generated petitions were filed just days after the 2012 Presidential election.

Louisiana was the first State to file a petition a day after the election by a Michael E. from Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next State to follow by a Micah H. from Arlington, Texas.

The government allows one month from the day the petition is submitted to obtain 25,000 signatures in order for the Obama administration to consider the request.

BREAKING CIVIL WAR 15 States petition to secede from the United States?

 :o i did not know it only took 25,000 signatures for a state to secede from the union. maybe i should start one for ohio.

Ultimately, all of this is by design - all to provoke Civil War in this country. I don't think any of these 15 states will successfully do that and live in peace.

BTW - Texas has ALOT of megachurches. In my North Texas metroplex, couldn't tell you how blasphemous the megachurches are that I've encountered.

Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:...

civil wars

Secession petitions filed in 20 states
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

11/12/12

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

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Yet alot of people are very serious about this - the gov is tyranny - they have had enough from Washington!!

As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.


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That's to get the petition to the White House for "consideration". Yeah right! Like the government is going to say, "Okay, looks good, you may secede".

Not going to happen, and the feds will do just like they did back when they started the Civil War.

If the states, or even one state, makes a serious move to secede, you watch what the federal government does in response! It won't be pretty.

http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-leaders-reject-secession-talk-wake-obamas-election-210744874--politics.html

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Conservative Leaders Reject Secession Talk In Wake Of Obama's Election
By Evan McMorris-Santoro | TPM – 2 hrs 23 mins ago

If **** conservatives are looking for generals in their post-election civil war, they may have to look beyond some of the biggest names on the right.

Following President Obama's re-election last week, a group of virulently anti-Obama Republicans has apparently suggested pulling the plug on the whole United States of America thing and splintering off into nations for which Obama is not at the top of the government. Two of the most incendiary conservative leaders, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and RedState founder Erick Erickson, called on the would-be secessionists to stand down on Tuesday, potentially pitting them against a grassroots backlash following last week's election.

It's not clear how serious the movement is, exactly. Somewhat anonymous petitions have been filed on the White House website in the days following Obama's reelection calling for dozens of states to be allowed to leave the US. The Texas petition is garnering the most notoriety, both because it has the most signatures and because it involves Texas, a state where talk of secession pops up regularly.

Last time around, the man at the center of the Republic Of Texas talk was Perry, who gave a shoutout to seceding from Obama's America's in 2009 while not directly endorsing the concept. It was all part of Perry's plan to cast himself as Mr. Tenth Amendment in the run up to his own bid to lead all 50 of the United States as president. The secession stuff followed Perry to his short presidential campaign, forcing Perry to distance himself from Texas secessionists in 2011.

With Texas secessionism back in the news, Perry is again declining to get on board.

"Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," Perry spokesperson Catherine Frazier said in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government."

Meanwhile, over at RedState, Erickson isn't having any of the secession talk either.

"We here at RedState are American citizens. We have no plans to secede from the union," he wrote on the site Tuesday. "If you do, good luck with that, but this is not the place for you."

Erickson also pushed back on conservatives who claim the election wasn't legitimate, or that Democratic supporters stole it somehow. "Barack Obama won. He won by turning out the most people in a well run campaign," Erickson wrote. "In other words, he won fair and square."

Many of the petitions on the White House website are posted without a last name, making it hard to figure out how serious they really are or who's behind most of them. But voter anguish over Obama's election and the course of the country is behind at least one of the petitions, the one calling for Alabama to leave the union "and create its own NEW government."

Derrick Belcher, a 45 year-old **** carwash owner, is behind the Alabama petition, according to AL.com. He supported Ron Paul in 2012 and told the site he's serious about creating a new union of states that did not vote for Obama's reelection. Belcher said that a nation of red states could do away with entitlement programs -- and the people who rely on them.

"The people who want those handouts, it'll force them to move to a different state," he told AL.com.

Contrary to the outsized coverage the secession petitions have received, Belcher's vision of a red state union do not seem to be catching on among mainstream conservatives. But that's not so say some on the right aren't having fun imagining "what if." Bob Smiley, author of a right-leaning novel about a Texas governor who secedes from the USA over the policies of its progressive president, took to the Daily Caller to pen a list of reasons Texas could easily survive on its own.

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W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede

A White House petition gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads.

The title of the petition is, "WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them."

As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-petition-calls-stripping-citizenship-and-exile-anyone-who-signs-petition-secede_663282.html

The petition to let Texas secede from the U.S. to be reviewed by the White House


Well, Texas, you have done it.

As of 3:40 p.m. ET, more than 25,000 Texans have already signed the petition on The White House website to let Texas peacefully secede from United States of America and “create its own NEW government.”

The petition, created on Nov. 9, argues for secession, stating:

(http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/files/2012/11/Texas-petition-secession-600x383.jpg)

rest: http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/11/the-petition-to-let-texas-secede-from-the-u-s-to-be-reviewed-by-the-white-house/

The leader of the secession movement in Texas says that President Barack Obama’s reelection was a “catalyzing moment” for his organization’s efforts to quit the United States.

“I am completely aware that Election Day was a catalyzing moment, but I do not believe that the underpinnings of this are solely about Barack Obama,” Texas Nationalist Movement President Daniel Miller told POLITICO. “This cake has been baking for a long time — it’s the Obama administration that put the candles on the cake and lit it for us.”

He added: “This is not a reaction to a person but to policy and what we see as a federal government that is so disconnected from its constituents and absolute no regard for what its purpose was.”

A petition for Texas secession has garnered more than 72,500 signatures as of Tuesday afternoon — the most of any of the slew of other states petitioning the White House for secession. (Only 25,000 are needed to garner a White House response.)

GOP Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s spokeswoman Catherine Frazier commented on the movement to The Dallas Morning News Monday: “Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”

But Miller said he thought the governor’s statement was “ambiguous.”

“His statement is about as ambiguous as it can get. Obviously, he’s going to err on the side of caution for him. But my challenge to him is this: Don’t wind up on the wrong side of history on this issue,” Miller said.

Miller said that the national deficit and the economy were some of the major factors that have helped the movement grow.

“The federal government is broken beyond all belief. We’re sitting on $16 trillion worth of debt and that’s only one example,” Miller said. “There’s a political, cultural and economic gap, and the longer that we refuse to recognize that gap — the more states will put out to secede the union.”

He said he thinks the issue has gone mainstream: “For the longest time, this issue was what people would classify as a fringe issue. It was relegated to the back rooms in the cafés. But in 2008, 2009, what you began to see — the tail end of the [George W.] Bush administration and start of Obama’s — what you saw was kind of interesting. This issue went to being part of the political discourse.”

Miller continued: “As the economy worsened, people began to ask, ‘What if? Why do we need the middle man? Do we believe that we should have more layers of government than we absolutely need? Could Texas govern itself?’ I think really that self-determination is kind of the underpinning to all of this — the ability to provide Texas solutions to Texas problems.”

Miller noted that TNM rejects any use of force to acquire its goal.

“We walk in the same vein as Gandhi and those guys,” said Miller, who has been involved with the organization for 16 years.

TNM is planning a march in Austin for January 2013.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83776.html#ixzz2C9JBotYw

Just curious - why didn't they sign this petition last year, the year before last, or even BEFORE Obama got elected?

I dunno, but sounds like just a bunch of people whining chereos over a lost election - yeah, like Mitt Romney would have turned things around. ::)

Maybe inflation/foreclosures/unemployment was having less of an impact back then? I noted the reference to "maintaining a standard of living" in one of the petitions.

yeah it seems that this movement has come in a bit late, i think it could have been done after the Federal Reserve was established.

White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation


Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from the Obama administration.

By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.

A petition from Vermont, where talk of secession is a regular feature of political life, was the final entry.

Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)

The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin. Shortly before 9:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, it had attracted 94,700 signatures. But a spokesperson for Gov. Rick Perry said Tuesday afternoon that he does not support the idea of his state striking out on its own.

“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” according to a statement from the governor’s office.

A backlash Monday night saw requests filed with the White House to strip citizenship rights from Americans who signed petitions to help states secede. (RELATED: Anti-secession forces fight back with White House deportation petitions)

And in a similar nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.

Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”

Houstonian “Kimberly F” — The White House does not provide last names — submitted the petition. She told TheDC in an email that ”[w]e need both sides presented, or we all look like a bunch of fools.”

A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”

But smaller petitions like theirs are a political side show of a political side show. One effort, aimed at Missourians, called for a nationwide catered pizza party to celebrate when the Show Me State left the U.S. (RELATED: Pizza party! White House petition silliness gets cheesy)

States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-reach-660000-signatures-50-state-participation/#ixzz2CCwsayP6

Perry: Texas Will Not Secede From US

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has one message for the tens of thousands of Texans calling for secession from the United States: The state will not secede.

More than 76,000 people have signed a petition on the “We the People” White House website for Texas to withdraw from the Union and start a new government after President Barack Obama was re-elected.

“The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. … Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government,” the petition states.

Perry spokesperson Catherine Frazier tells CBS News that the governor “shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” but “believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it.”

Perry has been caught in the middle of secession controversy before after being falsely accused by members of the Obama administration of wanting Texas to be a separate country, according to FactCheck.org.

More than 30 other states have started online petitions to secede from the U.S.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/13/perry-texas-will-not-secede-from-us/

Didn't Perry attend the Bilderberg meeting in 2007? ::)

is that from Alex Jones?

Perry admitted it in an interview on a radio show one time. Yes, Jones reported it, but nonetheless it came right out of the horse's mouth.

Secession madness! Now 40 states join petition fray
More than a half-million want their states out of the USA

If any of the hundreds of thousands of people petitioning the White House in the blossoming battle over secession get their way, somebody is going to leave the union, either voluntarily … or involuntarily.

Ever since WND first reported that residents in the state of Louisiana had filed an online petition with the White House to secede from the U.S., residents in at least 39 additional states have filed similar requests with the White House to peaceably break from the union.

What’s more, a pair of contrary petitions have been added to the White House website, including one to “strip the citizenship” of those who have petitioned for secession and another calling for their deportation.

As WND reported, the first of the petitions was filed on the White House’s We the People website the day after the 2012 election by Michael E. (full last name not provided) of Slidell, La.

Since then, residents from the following states have added their own secession petitions: New Hampshire, Illinois, Idaho, Rhode Island, Virginia, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, California, Delaware, Nevada, Kansas, Ohio, South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, New York, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas.

The White House website explains that once a petition reaches 25,000 signatures, it will be placed on a queue for response from the administration. The website also maintains a page for previous petitions that have received a White House response.

Some of the petitions have easily exceeded the required threshold.

The Texas petition, for example, has more than 80,000 signatures. The original Louisiana petition has topped 30,000. Florida has also crossed the threshold. Though the numbers keep climbing, the signatures for all 40 states now total at least 533,000.

The two petitions calling for the secession-sympathizers to be ousted total just more than 10,000.

To view or even sign one of the petitions, click here (registration is required).

The original Louisiana petition, which has served as a pattern for many of the new states, reads as follows: “We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

It continues, “As the Founding Fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776: ‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.’”

The petition concludes with a further quote from the Declaration of Independence: “‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.’”

Residents of other states, however, have chosen different wording.

The Texas petition explains itself this way: “The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our Founding Fathers, which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”

A petitioner from Tillamook, Ore., identified by the site as Kristopher W, worded his state’s petition this way: “Allow Oregon to vote on and leave the union peacefully and remain an ally to the nation.”

He continues, “With the federal government increasing its size much larger than our Founding Father’s intended, and its abuse of power trumping over the rights of state constitutions, and the forcing of unconstitutional laws over its own citizens, the people of Oregon would like the chance to vote on leaving the Union immediately. The federal government has imposed policies on Oregon that are not in Oregon’s best interests, and we as citizens would respectively and peaceably separate ourselves from a tyrannical government who cares nothing about creating a sustainable future for our children. At any time that the citizens of Oregon [should feel] the federal government was no longer imposing on the Constitution, we could re-vote to again join the union under a new agreement.”

One of the contrary petitions reads this way: “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.”

It continues, “Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.”

The White House created the “We the People” petition site ostensibly as a way of giving all Americans “a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them.”

“The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,” the page reads. “We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.”

The page also explains, “You have just 30 days to get 25,000 signatures in order to get a response from the White House.”

Once the White House does draft a response, it has pledged to send it via email to everyone who has signed the petition (registration on the site with a valid email address is required to sign petitions).

To view or even sign one of the petitions, click here. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-madness-now-40-states-join-petition-fray/

Something doesn't smell right about this - hardly anyone made chirps about this sham/stolen election by Obama, but en yet they're waiting until now to pull this stunt?

http://news.yahoo.com/seven-states-qualify-secession-response-white-house-215946646.html

11/14/12

Seven states qualify for secession response from White House

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citizens from more than 40 states have filed petitions with the White House seeking to secede from the union, and by Wednesday, seven states had gathered enough signatures to qualify for a response to the largely symbolic protest.

The petitions, which have been signed by a small percentage of state residents, have virtually no chance of succeeding. The United States' bloodiest conflict, the 1861-1865 Civil War, erupted after 11 states withdrew from the union.

The White House has set up a "We the People" page on its website that allows Americans to file petitions on issues of concern. If a petition collects 25,000 signatures, the website says, the administration will review and respond to it.

The petition filed by Texas residents has racked up about 100,000 signatures. Six others from Louisiana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee have collected 30,000.

Among the seven states, only Florida gave its electoral votes to Democratic President Barack Obama in last week's election.

The Texas petition says the United States is suffering from economic troubles stemming from the federal government's failure to reform spending. It also complains of alleged rights abuses committed by agencies like the Transportation Security Administration.

"Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union," it said.

A counter-petition has been filed calling for the state capital Austin to secede from Texas and remain part of the United States.

(Reporting by Ian Simpson; Editing by Stacey Joyce)

Wouldn't there be far more people than this who would want to secede? And why is it that no governor has wanted to secede? Correct me if i'm wrong.

This is telling...


This looks like a setup/Hegelian Dialectic from the get-go, where some may really think they're doing the right thing by signing their name. Ultimately, this could set up Martial Law in America if someone on non-governmental turf fires the first shot(ie-Bill Cooper once said the NWO is waiting for just that...a US citizen to fire the first shot - no, I don't endorse Cooper, but he is correct on this).

Who says it's symbolic? They think this is a joke? Typical. ::)


What? Are they nuts? What is wrong with those Texans?

Yeah, when I first read how this is going down, I thought to myself," So they want states who are unhappy with the federal government to "petition" the feds to ask the feds if it's okay for the states to secede. How stupid is that? Petition the feds?

That's like the South must ask the North if it's okay to resist the North's strongarm tactics! ::)

If a state is serious, they just need to tell the federal government in a letter to take a hike and be done with it. What kind of logic is it to ask for permission from your overbearing tyrannt that is the cause of one wanting to secede? That's just stupid.

They are treating it like a joke or an opinion poll.

A setup? Most likely.

FYI, there's alot of megachurches here in Texas - no, it's not the moral, Christian, bible-belt, whatever you want to call it state that everyone tries to make it out to be. And of course, it's the home of the Bushes, one of the most powerful people in the NWO chain.

Well, Jones is playing his part now by trying to fire up his listeners on his radio show to secede themselves from the union. Hardly a surprise here...

i was thinking the same thing, here "the expert" Jones has to have his say again, though if any state is to secede it would be Texas.


i would think it could well be a setup too, all these people signing up to secede from the feds is going to get their name on the dissidents list, how is Obama going to allow any states to secede?

Exactly, seccesion isn't something that is "allowed" or "approved". It's someting that is done, regardless.

Technically speaking, from the secular perspective, the real way to deal with this situation, if it mattered in the end, is to not secede, but to make the current situation better. There are provisions for dealing with a tyrannical government without leaving the Union. See the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.

You get rid of tyrrants and infil-"traitors", not secede, so that's why I believe this is all a setup of some kind because in the end, the US government will label this a form of treason against the US, just like with the Civil War. Just read US history about how the Union considered the south's actions.

Whatever the case, this won't end well, and Alex Jones and others are the ring leaders of encouraging people to rise up against their own government. That could be considered by government as a form of inciting violence or insurrection, and THAT would bring on Martial Law and a huge government hammer!

Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress

A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

The group, named Citadel, intends to purchase 2,000 to 3,000 acres for the project in western Idaho.  The community will comprise of 3,500 to 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who "voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty."

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let live."

Citadel explains that residents in the community will be bound by the following:

    Patriotism
    Pride in American Exceptionalism
    Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
    Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes --such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina -- or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Residents should also agree that being "prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty -- the Rifle -- are prudent measures."

Some of the benefits of the Citadel community include a safe, well-prepared, patriotic community where children will be educated in school, not indoctrinated.

The community will be protected by a perimeter wall that will be inaccessible to "tourists."  Each neighborhood within the community will have lower walls, dividing the town into defensible sections.

The website has a link to applications where prospective residents can sign up.  According to Citadel, more than 200 families have completed applications, even before any land has been purchased.

While Citadel may sound wonderful to many who are reading this, the community has posted a warning on their home page:

"Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."

Citadel says that every patriot selected to live within the community "will voluntarily agree to follow the footsteps of our Founding Fathers by swearing to one another our lives, our fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/patriotic-group-build-armed-defensible-neighborhood-fortress

Precedent Teaches Us The Left Really Wants ALL Our Guns

When the Supreme Court, or any other court for that matter, makes a ruling in a case they first look for precedent, in other words to see if there has been a court decision rendered on the same subject in the past and usually defer to the old decision in ruling on the case.

The greatest teacher in life is experience; it only takes one time of burning your fingers on a hot stove to know that you never want to touch another one.

The next greatest teacher is observation, paying attention to someone else's experiences and profiting from their wins and losses, trials and errors.

In my generation I have seen the rise and fall off fascism, communism, different experiments in socialism and the kind of downright social and fiscal foolishness that leads to what has recently happened in Greece.

There is an old saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

There is at this time a huge debate in our nation about the private ownership of firearms. The president and the anti gun crowd claim they do not want to do away with private ownership, that they only want to modify the existing laws having to do with assault weapons -which can be construed as anything in your gun cabinet of any heavy caliber - and clips for semiautomatic weapons holding more than 10 bullets.

I submit to you that what is going on here is the first assault on private gun ownership

They will take what ever they can get now and continue to chip away until all you can legally own to protect your family with is a baseball bat.

Did you know that one of the major reasons the Japanese did not attempt to land troops on the American coast during World War Two is because they knew that Americans owned guns and would fight tooth and nail for every inch of shore line.

Hitler disarmed Germany, Stalin disarmed Russia, and Mao disarmed China.

The mainstream media is quick to report any kind of gun violence but omit the stories where lives have been saved by legally owned guns in the hands of good citizens and the stories are many and varied all across the country.

Let's look at some precedent:

In 1997, many Aussies were forced to give up their privately owned firearms. Over 630,000 were turned in to be destroyed as part of a "buyback plan" by the Australian government. Total cost of the buyback? $500,000,000.

One year later, here were the results:

Homicides nationwide: Up 6.2%

Assaults nationwide: Up 9.6%

Armed robberies nationwide: Up 44%

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms went up 300%.

Five years later, a "continued modest decline" in homicides was noted, but what has gone up in the land down under over the past few years is the number of assaults. Overall, assaults are up 40% and sexual assaults are up 20%.

Across the pond, Great Britain passed a handgun ban in 1998. Ten years later, many British "bobbies" are armed for the first time because of the amount of illegal guns in the hands of criminals.

Have you read about gun bans resulting in more gun violence or seen it on the television news?

Do you think it's newsworthy?

America, no matter what Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the far left in America say, they want your guns.

They want them all.

Don't just wait and see.

What do you think?

Pray for our troops and the peace of Jerusalem.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNAfLOaGY8w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaWh92DBkCk

Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 5:14AM
Today's Show:  THE NEXT AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

Chris discusses a recurring theme found in independent media -- the idea that the United States is on the brink of another revolution, or civil war. Researchers in this country and around the world have been speculating for years that the social, economic and political tensions of the nation cannot continue indefinitely, but will likely come to a decisive climax. Will these speculations amount to war, or is this merely rumor of war?
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_NEXT.CIVIL.WAR_01.09.13.mp3


hursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:18PM
Today's Show:  THE NEXT AMERICAN CIVIL WAR (PART 2)

Chris discusses a book relating to the years of events and debates that preceded the 19th century Civil War and compares the history with the conflicts in our nation today.
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_AMERICAN.CIVIL.WAR_01.11.13.mp3

As much as I stray away from Hoggard over the last 2 years - his latest on Gods and Guns is actually quite good, especially scripturally. It would get an A- from me, but it gets a solid B instead b/c alot of what he says in it flies in the face of his error Romans 13 sermon he gave 2 years ago.

As for a Civil War in this country - we will see...Riots? Maybe. Honestly, like with the impending economic collapse, I don't think the civil war and economic collapse will happen until the 2nd and 3rd seals are broken in the tribulation.

Mat 6:25  Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Mat 6:26  Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Mat 6:27  Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
Mat 6:28  And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
Mat 6:29  And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Mat 6:30  Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mat 6:31  Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32  (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34  Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Haven't listened to this one yet, but the "truth" movement/alternative media people are really pushing for a revolution/civil war in this country. Alex's showing on Piers Morgan last week was pretty intentional on his part.

White House responds to secession petitions, calls for unity instead

The White House has responded to a handful of petitions calling for various states to be given the right to secede from the United States, calling for unity and participatory government instead.

"In a nation of 300 million people — each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs — democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that's a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted," writes Director of the Office of Public Engagement Jon Carson.

"But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart," he adds.


A handful of "We the People" petitions calling for the government to allow various states to secede cropped up following President Obama's reelection. The White House has responded to all those which received more than 25,000 signatures within a month, the minimum required to get a response.

The states included in the response are Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas. The Texas petition received over 125,000 signatures, more than any other. 


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276817-white-house-responds-to-secession-petitions#ixzz2HnMGNox5

This guy works for the "Office of Public Engagement". And he's calling America a democracy? No wonder the public is confused. Their own officials either don't know, or are intentionally calling America incorrectly a democracy.

For short, America is a "republic", and the key difference is that in a republic you cannot vote away certain, "...unalienable rights...".

To change those rights, a constitutional convention is required to literally change the Constitution itself. Otherwise, no law can be made, voted in by majority, no presidential order, nothing can legally trump those rights unless the Constitution itself is changed. THAT is united States Constitution law. It is the very foundation of the American Republic.

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Thousands of gun owners across America have had enough of the Obama administration’s attack on the Second Amendment – and they’re preparing to take their concerns to the capitols in at least 47 states this Saturday at 12 p.m.

Texan Eric Reed, founder and national  coordinator of the “Guns Across America” rallies, told WND he’s irritated about all the talk of new gun-control regulations and overreach by the federal government in violation of our Second Amendment rights.

“I was trying to figure out why people weren’t being more proactive about this, Reed said. “Then I realized I’m part of the problem. It takes somebody to stand up and say, ‘Hey, we’re not going to accept this. We’re against it.’

“We want Americans who feel the same way to come out. We want to stand up, be united and get our point across.”

As WND reported today, President Obama announce a sweeping set of directives he intends will cut down on Americans’ access to guns, setting the stage for a constitutional battle with states where lawmakers already are openly defying the latest power grab by the White House.

Obama’s plan would demand federal access to the details every time an uncle sells a .22 to a nephew, would ban some weapons outright through a limit on ammunition capacity, would waive medical privacy laws in some cases so individuals can be reported, and others.

The president also listed 23 executive orders he is preparing to implement.

“He’s essentially restricting and punishing all law-abiding American citizens,” Reed said. “He’s taking people who have never committed a crime in their lives and he’s trying to tell them that these guns are ‘assault weapons.’ Well, I’ve got guns in my home. If they’re ‘assault weapons,’ then mine must be defective because they haven’t assaulted anybody.”

Frustrated by the narrative coming out of Washington, Reed noted that “assault weapons” have been banned since 1934.

“The aesthetics of a rifle do not determine what an assault rifle is,” he said. “That’s what our elected officials in Washington, D.C., are trying to sell to the American people. I mean, if you take a body of a Ferrari and stick it on a Chevrolet, it’s still a Chevrolet. It’s going to perform like a Chevrolet; it’s just a cool-looking Chevrolet.”

Reed added that the media contribute to misinformation and confuse the public about so-called “assault weapons.”

“Part of it is ignorance of the media because a lot of them may not necessarily have a good idea of what an assault rifle is,” he said. “Another part of it is, most of the media do push a liberal spin. They’re helping to push through the political agenda that the Obama administration wants to pass right now.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/47-states-revolt-against-obama-gun-control/#JTzDZTM66KwLg8Sx.99

Oregon sheriffs refuse to enforce Obama's new gun laws
'I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals'

Not only will President Barack Obama’s gun control policies face challenges from interest groups like the NRA, some local leaders are refusing to enforce them.

Two Oregon sheriffs have sent letters to Vice President Joe Biden challenging the Obama administration’s brand new executive orders and future congressional action they believe would infringe upon the rights of the people they are sworn to protect.

Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller sent Biden a letter he also posted to his office’s Facebook page Tuesday, one day before Obama signed 23 executive orders intended to prevent gun violence. The sheriff’s letter has since received more than 38,000 likes and 46,000 shares on the social media site.

Read the full story ›
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/01/16/Oregon-sheriffs-refuse-to-enforce-Obamas-new-gun-laws/5281358370861/


Minnesota sheriff 'will not enforce' new gun regs
Will consider any new federal rules to be illegal and will 'refuse to carry it out'


(Duluth News Tribune) On a day when President Obama was preparing a slate of proposals to stem gun violence in America, Pine County Sheriff Robin Cole said he would consider any new federal regulation on guns to be illegal and would “refuse to carry it out.”

“We will not enforce that,” Cole told the News Tribune of any potential federal regulation that could lead to confiscation of firearms.

Read the full story ›
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/article/id/255814/
 

Well we'll see if they continue to take a stand...(BTW-NOT ONE Republican exposed the gun control agenda of Obamacare BEFORE it was passed 3 years ago!)

Mat 7:24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

No question the Executive Branch has gone too far, even by Washington standards. It's a clear abuse of "executive order" powers and is an intentional act to avoid the will of the House and Senate. The Constitution demands that representatives, and ultimately "We the People", hold officials accountable. America is not a monarchy. You don't get to rule by decree.

Their divided house won't stand.

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:" Matthew 12:25 (KJB)

Proverbs 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Psalms 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.

Proverbs 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.

Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

3/21/13
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/texas-may-start-hoarding-gold-secession-next-192407075.html
Texas May Start Hoarding Gold…Secession Next?

We all know the cliché: ‘Don’t mess with Texas.’

Well, a new piece of legislation is being proposed to send that message to Washington, when it comes to protecting Texas’ gold.

A lawmaker has proposed a bill to create a Texas Bullion Depository, which would allow the state and its citizens to store gold bullion in its own facility in Texas, with the protection of the state.

If passed, the Texas bill would tell Washington to “shove off” under the 10th amendment power given the states, if we ever saw the kind of currency craziness we saw during the Great Depression when President Franklin D. Roosevelt mandated citizens hand over most of their gold.

Texas isn't the first state to think about hedging its monetary destiny with precious metals.

Citing concerns over the value of the U.S. dollar, Arizona lawmakers are the latest to pursue legislation that would declare privately minted gold and silver coins legal tender. In 2011, Utah became the first state in the country to legalize these precious metal coins as currency. Lawmakers in states including Minnesota, North Carolina, Idaho, South Carolina, and Colorado have debated similar laws.

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