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Title: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on March 04, 2011, 06:30:54 am
Christian author's book sparks charges of heresy
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Rob Bell, a pastor and author who has achieved rock star status in the Christian world, is preaching a false gospel, his critics say. And some of those critics are Christian rock stars in their own right.

The pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Bell has authored a book called Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, which ignited a firestorm of controversy over the weekend, weeks before it arrives in bookstores.

On Saturday, in a blog post on the popular Christian website The Gospel Coalition, Justin Taylor blasted Bell's new book, out March 29, for teaching "false doctrine":

I’m glad that Rob Bell has the integrity to be lay [sic] his cards on the table about universalism. It seems that this is not just optimism about the fate of those who haven’t heard the Good News, but (as it seems from below) full-blown hell-is-empty-everyone-gets-saved universalism.

Universalism, in its broadest terms, preaches that everyone goes to heaven and that there is no hell. Critics say it represents a break from traditional Christianity, which they say holds that heaven and hell are very real places. In most Christian circles, universalism is a dirty word.

rest: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/01/what-is-a-heretic-exactly-in-the-evangelical-church/


Title: Rob Bell: Universalist
Post by: akfools on March 28, 2011, 07:02:41 pm
Rob Bell: Universalist?

February 26, 2011

John Piper once wisely wrote, “Bad theology dishonors God and hurts people. Churches that sever the root of truth may flourish for a season, but they will wither eventually or turn into something besides a Christian church.”

It is unspeakably sad when those called to be ministers of the Word distort the gospel and deceive the people of God with false doctrine.

But it is better for those teaching false doctrine to put their cards on the table (a la Brian McLaren) rather than remaining studiously ambiguous in terminology.

So on that level, I’m glad that Rob Bell has the integrity to lay his cards on the table about  universalism. It seems that this is not  just optimism about the fate of those who haven’t heard the Good News, but (as it seems from below) full-blown hell-is-empty-everyone-gets-saved universalism.

Here is HarperCollins’s description [2] of his next book, Love Wins: Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived [3].

Fans flock to his Facebook page, his NOOMA videos have been viewed by millions, and his Sunday sermons are attended by 10,000 parishioners—with a downloadable podcast reaching 50,000 more. An electrifying, unconventional pastor whom Time magazine calls “a singular rock star in the church world,” Rob Bell is the most vibrant, central religious leader of the millennial generation. Now, in Love Wins: Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, Bell addresses one of the most controversial issues of faith—the afterlife—arguing that a loving God would never sentence human souls to eternal suffering. With searing insight, Bell puts hell on trial, and his message is decidedly optimistic—eternal life doesn’t start when we die; it starts right now. And ultimately, Love Wins.

I haven’t read the whole book yet and was hesitant to say something based on the publisher’s description (which usually isn’t written by the author). But this video from Bell himself shows that he is moving farther and farther away from anything resembling biblical Christianity:


Update: Thanks for all of you who have weighed in. I cannot respond to each comment, so I thought this might be the best way to make a few points.

1) One of the things I get criticized for is having comments in the first place, but this is a place where you can tell me if you think I’ve done things wrong or in the wrong way. I want to be open to correction, and this is one forum by which to do it.

2) I updated a couple of things on the original post. First, I deleted “seems to” with regard to Bell’s moving farther away from biblical Christianity. Second, I changed “unambiguous about his universalism” to “lay his cards on the table about universalism.” Third, I deleted the 2 Cor. 11:14-15 reference at the end. I do think it’s important to recognize the biblical theme that false teachers look like cuddly sheep and like angels of light. But let’s wait for the book so we can see all his cards laid out on the table.

3) I have not read all of Bell’s book, though I have read some chapters that were sent to me. When the book is published there will be detailed reviews, and I will link to them. I think that the publisher’s description combined with Bell’s video is sufficient evidence to suggest that he thinks hell is empty and that God’s love (which desires all to be saved) is always successful. I should have been more careful in my original post not to imply that Bell is definitely a universalist. He may believe that some people go out of existence and are not thereby saved. The materials I have seen sound more like universalism though (note it sounds like no one goes to hell, and that the title promises to talk about the fate of everyone who has ever lived, which sure sounds like it’s the same for everyone).

4) I highly doubt that this is a mere marketing stunt or that Bell is merely asking questions or playing Devil’s Advocate. If it turns out that the full book is diametrically opposed to his publisher’s description and to the conclusions he wants you to reach in the video, I will make that clear on this blog.

5) If Bell is teaching that hell is empty and that you can reject Jesus and still be saved, he is opposing the gospel and the biblical teaching of Jesus Christ. You may think that’s judgmental to say that; I think it’s being faithful. I would encourage a careful study of 1 Timothy to see what Paul says about false teaching and teachers.

6) For those who are not regular readers of this blog and think that the perspective advocated here is totally out to lunch, you may want to check out Kevin DeYoung’s post, “To Hell with Hell [4],” which gives a nice brief summary on the importance of understanding the wrath of God. As H. Richard Niebuhr wrote 75 years ago, too often we want “a God without wrath brought men without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross,” (Kingdom of God in America [1937], p. 193). Also see Denny Burk’s post where he seeks to answer [5] Bell’s questions from a biblical perspective.

7) Let’s remember to pray. Rob Bell needs to know and teach the liberating gospel of grace—including that Christ absorbed the Father’s wrath on behalf of those who trust in him and repent of their sins. And there are tens of thousands of folks who look to Rob Bell as a biblical teacher and leader. May God give much mercy.

Update 2: Announcement from The Gospel Coalition [6]:

Rob Bell’s forthcoming book Love Wins has already raised perennial questions about universalism, exclusivism, the love of God, and heaven and hell. So what does the Bible say about these weighty matters? What did Jesus himself say? And what’s the best way to relate this teaching to a skeptical culture?

Don Carson and others will address these questions in a special session just added to The Gospel Coalition’s national conference [7] in Chicago, April 12 to 14. A panel that follows Carson’s address will field questions from the audience.

Update 3: Kevin DeYoung has a helpful post [8] about whether or not (1) I needed to go to Rob Bell first before airing public criticism, and (2) I needed to remain silent until Rob Bell’s book is published.


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Article from Justin Taylor: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor

URL to article: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/02/26/rob-bell-universalist/

URLs in this post:

[1] here: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/files/2011/03/LoveWinsReview.pdf

[2] description: http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Love-Wins-Rob-Bell/?isbn=9780062049636

[3] Love Wins: Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived: http://www.amazon.com/Love-Wins-About-Heaven-Person/dp/006204964X/

[4] To Hell with Hell: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2011/02/26/to-hell-with-hell/

[5] answer: http://www.dennyburk.com/rob-bell-outs-himself/

[6] The Gospel Coalition: http://thegospelcoalition.org/

[7] national conference: http://thegospelcoalition.org/conferences/2011/

[8] a helpful post: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2011/02/28/bell-brouhaha/




Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on April 10, 2011, 09:02:51 am
‘Love Wins’ Pastor Caught Off Guard by Controversy

Evangelical megachurch pastor Rob Bell says he was caught off guard by the condemnation his new book has received from leaders in the Christian community.

Standing before an audience of about 1,600 at Nashville's Belmont University, Bell said the last several weeks had been the "most painful" of his life.

"It has taken me to a place of profound brokenness," said Bell, who pastors the 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich.

Love Wins: Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, released March 29, challenges the traditional Christian belief that few will enter Heaven.

"Will only a few select people make it into Heaven and will billions of people burn forever in Hell?" Bell asks in a promotional video of his book, recently released by publisher HarperOne. "And if that's the case, how do you become one of the few?"  Watch the video here.

Bell insists it was never his intent to stir controversy, but to bring focus back to a message he suggests has got lost in dogma -- the love of God.     

"I kept meeting religious people who were incredibly dogmatic about heaven and hell when you die but didn't seem to care about the fact that 8 million people will go to bed hungry tonight," Bell explained.

Bell denies charges that his book promotes a universalist theology - the belief that everyone, regardless of belief, will be saved by God.

"No, if by universalist we mean there's a giant cosmic arm that swoops everybody in at some point whether you want to be there or not," he told The Christian Post.

"That violates the laws of love and love is about freedom," he explained. "It's about choice; it's about do you want to be there? Because that's what would make it heaven."

According to the Associated Press, Bell says hell is something freely chosen that already exists on earth.

"Apparently this is a pastor who has written a book who has grown uncomfortable contending for the faith," CBN chaplain and Regent University theology professor Joel Palser said. "He is no longer able to defend what the Bible says and has endeavored to make that more palatable to modern culture."

"It may be trendy and it might sell a lot of books, but in fact Jesus speaks very clearly about heaven and hell," Palser added.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/April/Love-Wins-Pastor-Caught-Off-Guard-by-Controversy/


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on April 14, 2011, 10:15:25 am
Well of course Rob Bell gets the cover to TIME.

Is Hell Dead?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2065080-1,00.html

Reading through this i came to this quote that should catch the eye of any Christian worth his salt in the word.

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"I have long wondered if there is a massive shift coming in what it means to be a Christian," Bell says. "Something new is in the air."

WOW!!! Can you guess where im going next? Especially with everything we now know about Rob Bell?

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

How does it feel Rob, to be fulfilling prophecy? THE WRONG WAY!!!!!

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"When we get to what happens when we die, we don't have any video footage," says Bell. "So let's at least be honest that we are speculating, because we are."

I mean it just keeps coming. This statement here just screams that Rob is NOT a born again Christian. He is 100% deceiving devil. We are speculating? we dont know? Jesus came back after 3 days!!! We have the Spirit to affirm what we hear and read, and Rob you are denying Jesus with that statement.

If you are a part of Robs MARS HILL Church, GET OUT NOW

Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


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Music, not the church, was his first consuming passion. (His wife Kristen claims he said he wanted to be a pastor when they first met early on at Wheaton College in Illinois. Bell is skeptical: "I swear to this day that that was a line.") He and some friends started a band when he was a sophomore. "I had always had creative energy but no outlet," he says. "I really discovered music, writing and playing, working with words and images and metaphors. You might say the music unleashed a monster."

It does appear that way Rob. Maybe you should have stopped listening to that stuff?

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Fair enough, but let's be honest: religion heals, but it also kills. Why support a supernatural belief system that, for instance, contributed to that minister in Florida's burning of a Koran, which led to the deaths of innocent U.N. workers in Afghanistan?

"I think Jesus shares your critique," Bell replies. "We don't burn other people's books. I think Jesus is fairly pissed off about it as well."


Hey Rob, i know its hard for you to understand Biblical concepts, but Jesus is God who is the Holy Ghost!! It was Jesus that wrote all those commandments to burn others temples and idols. To throw them all down and break each one. I think Jesus is pissed Rob, i think he is really pissed at devils leading his flock astray, and he has a very special reward for them.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on April 21, 2011, 08:23:17 pm
Rob Bell goes off the deep end

A few years ago I overheard some friends talking about a new minister named Rob Bell.  They were watching some of his videos online and when I asked what they were doing, they told me...before following it up with, "But we don't think you'd probably care for him too much."
 
Frankly, they weren't terribly far off in that assessment.  Please understand I don't know Rob Bell and I'm sure he's a delightful and warm and genuine person.  But the reason my friends felt that I wouldn't "care for him" was because they knew I'd have bigger problems than just the fact that he was of the hipster emerging church movement: the jeans-wearing, un-tucked shirt school of latte-sipping gospel spreading.  Though it's not my style, I can deal with that. My preferences are just that...preferences...so long as it's the true gospel that's being spread.

But I've always feared that too often a casual attitude demonstrated in approaching the throne of God reflects a casual attitude about the holiness and authority of who sits on that throne.  With Rob Bell, such a concern is seemingly validated.
 
A recent TIME Magazine profile explains Bell's disastrous decision to blaspheme the Word of God and consequently lead an untold number of congregants who follow him -- rather than Christ -- down a destructive path.  The TIME piece begins by telling the opening story of Bell's new book, Love Wins.  In the account, Bell has an art show at his church that includes a piece quoting Gandhi.  Someone who attended the show posted a note on the piece that said, "Reality Check: Gandhi is in Hell."
 
Now, I can certainly appreciate Bell being concerned about the lack of tact.  But what I can't understand is any minister who supposedly holds to the authority of Scripture using this incident as the impetus to begin preaching something fundamentally opposed to Christian doctrine:

He suggests that the redemptive work of Jesus may be universal -- meaning that, as his book's subtitle puts it, "every person who ever lived" could have a place in heaven, whatever that turns out to be. Such a simple premise, but with Easter at hand, this slim, lively book has ignited a new holy war in Christian circles and beyond.

For those who might be confused as to the significant danger of this "holy war," Dr. Albert Mohler put it plainly:

"When you adopt universalism and erase the distinction between the church and the world," says Mohler, "then you don't need the church, and you don't need Christ, and you don't need the cross. This is the tragedy of nonjudgmental mainline liberalism, and it's Rob Bell's tragedy in this book too."

Precisely.  And the reason "tragedy" is such an appropriate term is that this failure doesn't involve just Bell and his own family.  It includes countless families that have trusted him with their spiritual guidance.  This unfolding disaster reflects undoubtedly why Scripture warns those who teach and preach to be wary -- for they will be judged more harshly than others.
 
But Bell doesn't appear overly worried about his judgment...or, more frighteningly, anyone else's for that matter.  His own words betray his greater interest may be accumulating earthly accolades -- becoming the leader of what he perceives as a great Christian revolution:

"I have long wondered if there is a massive shift coming in what it means to be a Christian," Bell says. "Something new is in the air."

What arrogance.  No Rob, there is no shift coming in "what it means to be a Christian."  You may be successful in diminishing the number of people who adhere to biblical Christianity, or who regard all Scripture as God-breathed. But no mortal -- no matter how many people fill his parking lot (something Bell bizarrely boasts about in this piece) -- will alter the immortal meaning of being a disciple of Christ.
 
And I would implore Rob Bell to take a good sniff at that smell that is "in the air."  It's nothing new at all.  It's the same, tired old stench of false teaching.  Consider:

He believes in Jesus' atonement; he says he is just unclear on whether the redemption promised in Christian tradition is limited to those who meet the tests of the church.

Tests of the church?  Where did this man get his theological training?  It becomes clear from this statement that Bell is one who, consciously or not, rejects the infallibility of Scripture and the inerrancy of God's Word.  Much as Bell might love to tuck Love Wins right in there between Galatians and Ephesians, the Word stands alone -- and if one can ignore the exclusive nature of the Gospel message (meaning while open to all, the narrow path is reserved for only those who choose it), interpreting it away for some universalist, liberal doctrine that soothes itching ears, what prevents one from doing the same with any sticky or uncomfortable teaching of Scripture?
 
Even the TIME writer gets the problem:

[T]o take away hell is to leave the church without its most powerful sanction. If heaven, however defined, is everyone's ultimate destination in any event, then what's the incentive to confess Jesus as Lord in this life? If, in other words, Gandhi is in heaven, then why bother with accepting Christ? If you say the Bible doesn't really say what a lot of people have said it says, then where does that stop? If the verses about hell and judgment aren't literal, what about the ones on adultery, say, or homosexuality? Taken to their logical conclusions, such questions could undermine much of conservative Christianity.

Drop the intentionally misleading word "conservative," and that assessment is about spot-on.  This has been the tactic we Christians have had to protect ourselves against coming from the world.  They have sought to call into question certain biblical teachings, and we have resisted by stressing that once you relinquish the inerrancy of one portion of the Word, who is to stop another from calling into question the plan of salvation itself?  To our horror we have now found that questioning taking place by one of our own.  This isn't an outside assault against biblical authority.  It's internal subterfuge -- a mutiny from within.
 
Bell is later quoted as saying it is fair to speculate about heaven and hell because no one has sent back video footage of what happens after we die, so we don't know for sure.
 
If you needed more proof of Bell's sorry confusion, his arrogant willingness to boldly mislead, or his blasphemous undermining of the authority of Scripture, you need look no further.  A true disciple of Christ recognizes that we may not have video footage, but we do have the testimony of One who has seen both sides of the eternal divide -- One who conquered Hell to reign in Heaven.
 
It is He who said that no man comes to the Father except by Him, with no alternative Gandhi route mentioned. It is He that we are told represents the one name under heaven by which we must be saved. It is He that the most popular Bible passage of all time reminds us whosoever believeth in, shall live eternally.
 
And it is by His authority and His Word I choose to stake my life; not that of Rob Bell, who in the end -- despite undoubtedly earning earthly wealth and fame for doing so -- has accomplished nothing more than adding the latest chapter to the sorry text of humanism...and has willfully joined the lineage of those who have exchanged the truth of God for a lie.
 
Pray for "Pastor" Bell's repentance, and especially for those who he has permitted Satan to tragically lead astray through this false teaching.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Perspectives/Default.aspx?id=1333688


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Kilika on April 22, 2011, 03:17:43 am
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They were watching some of his videos online and when I asked what they were doing, they told me...before following it up with, "But we don't think you'd probably care for him too much."

Interesting that my mother and I were discussing recently my sister's involvement at a Church of God and was telling me how my sister told my mother before they went one day to my sister's church that she may not like it because it's "different" than what shes used to! Needless to say, my sister is knee deep in "churchianity", and my sister and I haven't spoken in many years. She wasn't very receptive of what I had to say about her church group over 20 years ago. But then she's basically turned her back on all her family, not just me. No skin off my back, as my family are...

"And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." Luke 8:21 (KJB)


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on April 22, 2011, 09:48:49 am
Hell Uproar Lands Rob Bell on Time's 100 Most Influential List

The recent debate over the existence of hell and who goes there is hotter than expected. It is such an incendiary argument, in fact, that it has landed the man who sparked the fire – Rob Bell – on Time magazine’s 2011 top 100 most influential people list.

Rob Bell, the Grandville, Mich., pastor who wrote Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, is the only evangelical religious leader to make it on this year’s Time top 100 list, released on Thursday. In past years, Pastor Rick Warren and evangelical leader Richard Cizik have been included among the most influential people of the year.

Former Newsweek editor Jon Meacham, who wrote Time Magazine’s Easter special cover story “Is Hell Dead?”, describes Bell as “a master of social media” and an “evangelical pastor with a huge and growing young following” in a brief blurb about Bell.

“Wielding music, videos and a Starbucks sensibility, Bell is at the forefront of a rethinking of Christianity in America,” writes Meacham. “Traditionalists don’t like what they’re seeing, for Bell’s questions cut to the heart of a faith that requires what the poet Coleridge called a ‘wiling suspension of disbelief.’”

REST: http://www.christianpost.com/news/hell-uproar-lands-rob-bell-on-times-100-most-influential-list-49929/


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on April 22, 2011, 06:21:13 pm
Who Will Go to Hell? Debate Ignites Christian Firestorm

Video: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/rob-bells-book-love-wins-ignites-hot-debate/story?id=13417436&page=1

Literal hell is a gruesome place, a worm-infested trash heap where children are sacrificed to the flames, according to the Bible, and for those who don't accept salvation or who sin against God, it's forever.

But now, Rob Bell, a young, charismatic pastor at Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., suggests that hell doesn't mean eternal damnation. In other words, sinners would get a second chance to weasel their way into God's good graces.

As the last day of Passover and Easter coincide on Sunday, Bell's new book, "Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived," has ignited a firestorm in the evangelical world among those who believe that the hell of a wrathful God is the foundation of Christian faith.

"Nothing in the New Testament would suggest that hell is a place where people get more chances," said Scot McKnight, a professor of religion at North Park University in Chicago.

McKnight, a theologian, has written nine times on the topic in his blog, Jesus Creed, since the book was published last month, and each blog post has elicited 15,000 page views a day.

Bell has been accused of being a "universalist." Some critics have been downright vicious, calling the author and popular, 40-year-old preacher "a tool of Satan" and a "heretic."

"For them, it is so unfaithful to the Bible and the Christian tradition that it violates the truths of the Gospel," said McKnight, who writes about hell in "One Life."

"This is very big," he said. "Rob Bell has entered into the very deepest and most sacred themes of Christianity and called into question the way Christians have framed everything they believe in."

"Rob has challenged this the most by suggesting that hell is not eternal," he said. "He combined the doctrine of hell and purgatory and maybe everyone would go to heaven. It's temporary and people can continue to have the opportunity to have freedom."

Bell argues in his book, "Would a loving God send people to eternal torment forever?"

He also suggested that the pearly gates of heaven might be open to Jews, Muslims and Buddhists.

"Will only a few select people make it to heaven and will the rest burn in hell forever?" he asks. "And if that is the case, how do you become of these people? Is it what you believe or say or something happens in your heart or you are initiated and baptized. What is God like, because millions and millions of people are taught that God sends you to hell unless you believe in Jesus. ... Jesus rescues you from God. But what kind of a God do we need to be rescued from? How can God ever be trusted?"

Bell was in London on a lecture tour this week and was unavailable for comment. But The Christian Post quoted him as saying it was, "tough" being misunderstood, misread and "accused of all sorts of devious things," and he asked for more civil discourse on the book's topic.

Hell is described by Jesus in the New Testament as "Gehenna," a valley south of Jerusalem -- a destination of the wicked and a place where apostate Israelites sacrificed their children.

"Hell is a place of fire and a place of darkness and a place of destruction," according to McKnight. "Clearly, not all three are true. You can't have raging fires in a dark place, so these are images of pain and exclusion and diminishment. They are metaphoric images of the negative consequences of not turning to God. They are designed to warn people of living in sin and living apart from God.

"If everyone saved, then it's not the same," he said.

And then there is the question of morality. With another chance, will people behave? The foundation of morality is consequences. In parenting, education and jobs -- "there are a lot of things in life, where you get only one chance," said McKnight.

Trevin Wax, 30, another rising evangelical, argued that Bell's "judgmentless" God is no god at all.

"People who are upset with God for allowing suffering are the same people who are upset that God judges," said Wax, author of another new book, "Counterfeit Gospels: Rediscovering the Good News in a World of False Hope."

"You can't have it both ways," said Wax, editor of LifeWay Christian Resources in Nashville, Tenn., and a former associate Baptist pastor. "The God who purges evil has to declare something right and wrong. Judgment and justice are two sides of the same coin."

"What kind of 'love' is this?" he asked. "A god who is never angered at sin and who lets evil go by unpunished is not worthy of worship."

Bell writes that because God is merciful, those who don't believe in Christ will find their way to him in the end. All are saved except those who outright reject God's love.

That, said Wax, is contrary to 2,000 years of Christian teaching and is "biblically unsustainable."

The heaven-hell discussion is the "bird in the eco-system," said Wax, quoting another traditional Christian preacher, Tim Keller. "If it goes extinct, it throws off everything. People say you can have a disagreement on eternal punishment and everything else is OK. You really can't. The doctrine of hell ties into the magnitude of what sin and idolatry is, and if you take away eternal punishment, it diminishes God in the process."

"I don't remember a debate of this magnitude in the last 10 years," said Wax. "Maybe it's because Rob Bell is so popular a teacher and his videos are so enormously successful and he is pastor of a growing well-known church."

Another traditionalist said Bell's new rejection of a fire and brimstone god is actually prophesied in scripture.

Phil Hotsenpiller, pastor of the Friends Church in Yorba Linda, Calif., cited scripture that predicts "many false prophets" who will "depart from the faith."

Prior to the return of Christ, Hotsenpiller quoted 2 Timothy 4:2, 4: "the time will come will they will not endure sound doctrine but according to their own desires because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers and they will turn their ears aways from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."

Hotsenpiller, author of the graphic novel, "Armageddon Now," runs workshops on the apocalypse, which is described in Revelations.

He said that "spiritual disruptions" like Bell's reinterpretation of the Bible may be responsible for the unusual amount of global activity -- earthquakes, the financial crisis and nations aligning for mass destruction.

"I think he has departed and everyone knows it," said Hotsenpiller. "Everyone who I have talked to within Christianity -- and not the most conservative -- say Rob Bell has gone off the deep end.

"He is such a vocal mouthpiece," he said. "What if Billy Graham said there was no hell?"


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 22, 2011, 08:37:27 pm
A month ago, the youth pastor at my church quoted Rob Bell in a positive light. However, this was BEFORE all this media hoopla over Bell's new book came about.

Anyhow, pt being that it seems like Bell's teachings may have infiltrated seminaries(this youth pastor is a seminary student). If indeed this is the case, I wonder why there's no outcry from all the seminary Presidents et al over this?


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Kilika on April 23, 2011, 02:21:58 am
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I wonder why there's no outcry from all the seminary Presidents et al over this?

Do you honestly think that those seminary presidents know what sound doctrine even is? From the looks of the people they are graduating from those indoctrination camps, I'd say no, not a clue.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on May 27, 2011, 06:07:07 am
Friday, May 27, 2011

 
WHAT'S UP WITH HELL?

Host: Larry Spargimino
Guest: Jerry Guiltner

Many churches and pastors no longer talk about the reality of hell, even in passing. What has happened to our churches? Larry Spargimino and Jerry Guiltner point out what the Bible has to say about hell and why hell is important in Christian doctrine.

Bible in the News: Reasserting Federalism by Jerry Guiltner

http://srcwm.webcastcenter.com/src/src_052711.wma


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: pavelow on June 15, 2011, 08:39:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrJVTSYLr8


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on June 16, 2011, 08:28:59 am
Southern Baptists Affirm Resolution Rejecting Rob Bell’s View on Hell

Rejecting Rob Bell’s view on hell, Southern Baptists affirmed the historical biblical teaching on hell as an “eternal conscience punishment” in a resolution that was passed on the last day of the denomination’s annual meeting.

The resolution, entitled “Reality of Hell,” specifically mentions Rob Bell’s controversial book Love Wins. The book, released in March, criticizes the belief that a few Christians will spend eternity in heaven while everyone else is eternally punished in hell.

“Rob Bell, in his 2011 book, Love Wins, has called into question the church's historical teaching on the doctrine of eternal punishment of the unregenerate,” reads the resolution, which was introduced and passed Wednesday at the Southern Baptist Convention annual convention in Phoenix, Arizona.

The messengers to the SBC meeting voted to “hereby affirm our belief in the biblical teaching on eternal conscience punishment of the unregenerate in Hell.”

The three-paragraph resolution also urged Southern Baptists to hold fast to the teachings on the reality of hell and salvation found in Christ alone.

rest: http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptists-affirm-resolution-rejecting-rob-bells-view-on-hell-51221/

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The three-paragraph resolution also urged Southern Baptists to hold fast to the teachings on the reality of hell and salvation found in Christ alone.

Than you better be telling your people to throw out all modern pervisions as that is how Rob Bell came to this conclusion. You should be telling your people to get into the KJB and that alone.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Kilika on June 16, 2011, 03:02:23 pm
Baptists use to be big KJB users. Their true colors are beginning to show more clearly.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on June 16, 2011, 08:09:06 pm
What Does Rob Bell Think about the TNIV?

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=DDYYDLNX

(http://endtimescurrentevents.freeforums.org/download/file.php?icon=2187.gif)

p.s., please note that vid is put out by Zondervan Publishers.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on July 31, 2011, 05:20:22 pm
Christian publishing company Zondervan has developed an app for “NOOMA,” a series of short films featuring the author of Love Wins Rob Bell, for mobile users of Apple’s iOS and Android platforms.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bells-nooma-videos-now-an-app-53123/

I need say nothing else....


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Believer on July 31, 2011, 07:31:38 pm
Wow, I must be living under a rock because I have never heard of him or half of the preachers on this site.  lol.  I guess this can be a good thing.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on July 31, 2011, 07:49:18 pm
Wow, I must be living under a rock because I have never heard of him or half of the preachers on this site.  lol.  I guess this can be a good thing.

dont feel bad, i dont know who most are either. not being raised in churchianity, but BA sure knows them all.  :D  ;)


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Believer on July 31, 2011, 08:16:28 pm
dont feel bad, i dont know who most are either. not being raised in churchianity, but BA sure knows them all.  :D  ;)

Well, I am guessing it is a good thing some of us do so that we will know if we ever come upon any of their writings, videos or sites.  I know that friend I was telling you about listens to them all and is always sending me stuff about them lately.  She is a brand new, born-again Christian...to the max right now.  lol.  I try to send her some of the things you guys post here to enlighten her to some truth and we try to have discussions of various topics in scripture.  I enjoy that but have to sort of ignore all the other stuff.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 31, 2011, 08:23:30 pm
dont feel bad, i dont know who most are either. not being raised in churchianity, but BA sure knows them all.  :D  ;)

It was 3 years ago when I got layed off from my job, that I had more time to do some research on end times prophecy. I was always interested in it, but the only source I would go to was the tv and whatever devotionals my mom got from RBC et al(ie-in 2006 and 2007, CNN did extension coverage on end times prophecies. No, they didn't go in detail and the information coming out was controlled and full of half truths even though I didn't know it at the time).

Anyhow, when I started searching around on youtube 3 years ago, the heresies of Rick Warren and the Emergent Church just popped up in my lap, which lead me to one of the mainstream end times MB, where they had a whole forum discussing Apostasy in the church, including the infiltration of the Emergent Church. At first, I was quite surprised b/c my previous church yoked up with Purpose Driven, and even the Baptist Seminary President thought it was a great idea AND supposedly the pastor had all these great visions(including moving into a multi-million dollar church building).

Anyhow, not saying my getting layed off was good, however, more time on my hands ended up opening a whole new can of worms, and the Lord really got me to get into the word of God being the KJV(which eventually lead me to Scott's teachings and this MB). Prior to this, I just thought merely reading an NIV for 15 minutes or so every morning along with a quick prayer would do the trick for me.

Ultimately, I take no credit for this, as the Lord Jesus Christ has revealed it. And for that matter too, I get alot of the info on those message forums I discussed in the paragraph above, so it's not like I know all this off the top of my head.



Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 31, 2011, 08:26:54 pm
Well, I am guessing it is a good thing some of us do so that we will know if we ever come upon any of their writings, videos or sites.  I know that friend I was telling you about listens to them all and is always sending me stuff about them lately.  She is a brand new, born-again Christian...to the max right now.  lol.  I try to send her some of the things you guys post here to enlighten her to some truth and we try to have discussions of various topics in scripture.  I enjoy that but have to sort of ignore all the other stuff.


That's the problem when I became born again for the first time in 2006 - it wasn't so much I read an NIV bible, but I put more emphasis on books and study devotionals(ie-Our Daily Bread). So it's as if I had this mindset that I needed some "coach" which is why I rationalized using secondary materials.

It was 2 years ago when the Lord really got me straight, and really got me to put the Authorized Version first at the forefront(and pretty much the only books I'll read are the ones like History of the Jesuits, and other stuff where you get to at least learn some of the tactics the enemy will come at you).

Maybe you might want to sit down with your friend and discuss this.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Believer on July 31, 2011, 09:10:35 pm
That's the problem when I became born again for the first time in 2006 - it wasn't so much I read an NIV bible, but I put more emphasis on books and study devotionals(ie-Our Daily Bread). So it's as if I had this mindset that I needed some "coach" which is why I rationalized using secondary materials.

It was 2 years ago when the Lord really got me straight, and really got me to put the Authorized Version first at the forefront(and pretty much the only books I'll read are the ones like History of the Jesuits, and other stuff where you get to at least learn some of the tactics the enemy will come at you).

Maybe you might want to sit down with your friend and discuss this.

I wish I could, BA.  I grew up with her and we are now miles apart.  We found each other on the internet and we created a special Bible Study group together and the members consist of just her and I.  I am enjoying her questions and her new found love for Christ but I am always in need of support (like here) to help steer her right concerning tv and internet evangelist, like I said, I am unaware of 99% of them.  When trying to steer her in the right direction, rather than point a finger, I try to ask her questions that will make her think and go to scripture.  I think she mistook this as me needing her direction in which she started sending me all sorts of links to evangelists sites and blogs.   Bless her heart!  We all take a different path, but hopefully leading to the same Lord Jesus!  I'm sticking it out with her and who knows what I will learn from too!

p.s. BA, thanks for all your investigative work concerning these false prophets!!!!


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on August 01, 2011, 04:25:13 am
Well, I am guessing it is a good thing some of us do so that we will know if we ever come upon any of their writings, videos or sites.  I know that friend I was telling you about listens to them all and is always sending me stuff about them lately.  She is a brand new, born-again Christian...to the max right now.  lol.  I try to send her some of the things you guys post here to enlighten her to some truth and we try to have discussions of various topics in scripture.  I enjoy that but have to sort of ignore all the other stuff.


That is one of the most dangerous times for a new Christian, being that they are hungry for the Word of God, that they can be easily misled by these false teachers, and led right out of the Bible.



Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on August 01, 2011, 04:26:22 am
Ultimately, I take no credit for this, as the Lord Jesus Christ has revealed it. And for that matter too, I get alot of the info on those message forums I discussed in the paragraph above, so it's not like I know all this off the top of my head.

i was just saying you know a lot about these people, no worries.  :)


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on September 26, 2011, 06:15:10 am
Rob Bell leaves Church for fields of Green... greenbacks that is...

'Love Wins' Author Rob Bell Tells Mars Hill His Departure Is 'No Surprise'


Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, stood before his 7,000-member congregation Sunday to discuss his departure from the ministry he founded more than 12 years ago.

Telling Mars Hill Bible Church members that they would "be fine," Bell spent much of his half-hour sermon discussing the new calling he felt had been placed on his life to "share God's love" in new ways, according to ABC 13.

That new calling for his life involves moving his family to Los Angeles within the year to undertake several projects, which include penning more books and undertaking speaking engagements, such as his "Fit to Smash Ice Tour" in Canada and the U.S.

Bell, 41, also informed the Mars Hill congregation that he would not be starting a new church, WZZM 13 reports.

According to congregants who posted their reactions on Twitter, Bell's remarks were very emotional.

"To be honest with you, I thought I would die here, but that's not really the right way to say it... Change is a form of loss," Bell said, according to Heidi Fenton.

rest: http://www.christianpost.com/news/love-wins-author-rob-bell-tells-mars-hill-his-departure-is-no-surprise-56454/


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 26, 2011, 08:54:13 am
Rob Bell leaves Church for fields of Green... greenbacks that is...

'Love Wins' Author Rob Bell Tells Mars Hill His Departure Is 'No Surprise'


Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, stood before his 7,000-member congregation Sunday to discuss his departure from the ministry he founded more than 12 years ago.

Telling Mars Hill Bible Church members that they would "be fine," Bell spent much of his half-hour sermon discussing the new calling he felt had been placed on his life to "share God's love" in new ways, according to ABC 13.

That new calling for his life involves moving his family to Los Angeles within the year to undertake several projects, which include penning more books and undertaking speaking engagements, such as his "Fit to Smash Ice Tour" in Canada and the U.S.

Bell, 41, also informed the Mars Hill congregation that he would not be starting a new church, WZZM 13 reports.

According to congregants who posted their reactions on Twitter, Bell's remarks were very emotional.

"To be honest with you, I thought I would die here, but that's not really the right way to say it... Change is a form of loss," Bell said, according to Heidi Fenton.

rest: http://www.christianpost.com/news/love-wins-author-rob-bell-tells-mars-hill-his-departure-is-no-surprise-56454/

Sounds like he's heading toward those underground bunkers in Denver this week. :-\


Title: Re: Rob Bell just sold his soul to the Devil!!
Post by: Mark on September 30, 2011, 12:28:52 pm
'Love Wins' Author Rob Bell to Co-Produce New 'Spiritual' Drama

Controversial author and pastor Rob Bell is teaming up with "Lost" co-creator Carlton Cuse to produce a new TV show called "Stronger," which is being described as an unusual spiritual drama and is reportedly loosely based on Bell's life.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/delicious/gqlf/~3/BIIC5KPLrlI/



Title: Re: Rob Bell just sold his soul to the Devil!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 30, 2011, 01:05:00 pm
'Love Wins' Author Rob Bell to Co-Produce New 'Spiritual' Drama

Controversial author and pastor Rob Bell is teaming up with "Lost" co-creator Carlton Cuse to produce a new TV show called "Stronger," which is being described as an unusual spiritual drama and is reportedly loosely based on Bell's life.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/delicious/gqlf/~3/BIIC5KPLrlI/



The world loves its own...


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: PeanutGallery on September 30, 2011, 01:59:59 pm
That's the problem when I became born again for the first time in 2006
...
Just Curious.
It was 2 years ago when the Lord really got me straight,
You were first born again in 2006; then born again two years ago?
Is that why you use BornAgain2?
...........
I went through somewhat the same; I was saved using a catholic bible.
Later I backslid and He brought me back and led me to the KJB.
But I don't think I was born again twice.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Kilika on September 30, 2011, 02:17:26 pm
Yeah, if you were born-again with the Holy ghost "the first time". then there is no second time. You were already saved and sealed. That "next time" was just you being snapped back in to the fold from walking after the flesh. We've ALL done it to some degree. It's the "Prodigal Son" syndrome!  ;)

"whether we live or die, we are the Lord's"


Title: MSNBC Host Makes Rob Bell Squirm
Post by: akfools on October 04, 2011, 07:35:34 pm
MSNBC Host Makes Rob Bell Squirm: "You're Amending The Gospel So That It's Palatable!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ODUvw2McL8g


Title: Re: MSNBC Host Makes Rob Bell Squirm
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 04, 2011, 10:55:30 pm
MSNBC Host Makes Rob Bell Squirm: "You're Amending The Gospel So That It's Palatable!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ODUvw2McL8g

Wow...if uber-communist MSNBC calls Rob Bell a heretic... :o


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: MrAV1611Truth on October 05, 2011, 03:18:30 pm
I've seen this, he had no answer to be honest.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: akfools on October 05, 2011, 03:31:35 pm
Rob Bell Comes Clean!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfboAzw-XGU


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Mark on October 05, 2011, 04:28:58 pm
Guess Rob shouldn't be discussing the Bible.


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Kilika on October 06, 2011, 03:46:23 am
There you go!


Title: Re: Rob Bell, pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 22, 2012, 10:02:13 pm
Was just listening to Rob Bell babble from upstairs - my parents got one of his short videos emailed to them, and was listening to him. I didn't know who it was at first, but he was just babbling so much that I was curious to hear who it was.

Sure enough, it was this same guy who went around the MSM last year promoting his book and saying how Hell doesn't exist, and eventually everyone including pagans and unbelievers will go to heaven. I tried to tell them that he's a false prophet who denied the existence of Hell(and endorses yoga), but they brushed it off, saying how he was trying to give off a good message over "learning how to say no".

Again, it was an email that was sent to my parents from someone in the Churchianity circles in my city(which I believe came from a friend's bible study at one of the bigger Baptist churches). Pt being that it looks like this heretic has become accepted in mainline Churchianity/Baptist circles today.

Billy Graham and Rick Warren are false teachers who aren't even saved either, but at least they to some extent were able to put on an outward appearance of being "Christian". Bell is much more blatant in showing off his true colors, but en yet somehow Churchianity has accepted him.


Title: Rob Bell Satans pastor
Post by: Mark on March 12, 2013, 06:21:56 am
MEET ROB BELL'S NEW GOD

Rob Bell has been making a lot of videos lately.  These videos are not like the great Nooma videos he made back in the 2000s, but rather videos promoting his latest writing adventures. The new videos are perhaps an unintentional story of how a once popular and promising pastor could drift into embracing old-time heresy while decrying old-time religion.

An article in the New Yorker late last year explores Rob Bell’s journey of faith.  The article describes how he built his church through strong preaching and combining “emotional appeals with straightforward interpretations of Scripture.”  The article explains further,

“[Rob Bell] did a series of “blood and guts” sermons, which explained sacrificial laws of Leviticus in gruesome detail. On the topic of sex, he warned dating couples against doing “things that only are proper within marriage.” And, in his eagerness to win new souls, he didn’t always avoid threats. “Jesus is your only hope, and God cannot accept casual, passive worship of him,” Bell told the congregation. “You either are headed to Heaven or you’re headed to Hell. It’s just that simple.”

However, it was Rob’s doubts about the inerrancy of scripture which caused him to question his faith.  The New Yorker author rightly understands Rob Bell “belatedly discovered liberal theology”

Rob could probably have continued to pastor Mars Hill and live with the doubts and struggles, but instead he authored Love Wins.  Perhaps his first book after embracing “liberal theology” it seemed largely a rant against those who believe hell is a place of eternal torment and separation from God.  While many on the Religious Left celebrated his “coming out” as a hell denier, it proved too much for his church.  In September 2012, he stepped down as pastor of Mars Hill.

Like other pastors who have led large congregations only to leave them behind as they doubt their faith, once Rob was out from under the accountability of his church elders he drifted further from orthodoxy.  From the promotional videos for his new books it is certainly evident that he has continued to drift.

Rob’s video produced by his publisher Harper Collins for the release of Love Wins: For Teens is a celebration of his new faith in a new God.

The title of his book should not be Love Wins: For Teens, but rather Fun God: Saying “Yes” to the World. While Rob seemingly calls these teens to say, “Yes” to the world God calls us to reject that which the world loves.  The World lusts after money, power, and sex, but we are called to generosity, humility, and self-control.  The path that God has modeled in Jesus is not easy, but good.  Jesus doesn’t say do what you want, he says follow me and obey my commands.  The message given in this promotion is as divisive as his accusation on the Church.  Yes, God invites everyone to his party, but joining his party will earn you hatred from the world.

The second recent promotion is for his upcoming book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God.

As in Love Wins: For Teens the basis of his video is that it’s time to leave the past behind.  Rob says, for a lot of people “God is a bit like an Oldsmobile” and Oldsmobile is a relic of the past which couldn’t keep up with the times.  “It’s part of the past, not the future; for them, not for us; for then, not for now.”

While the Rob Bell of the Nooma videos came across as hopeful and optimistic, the Rob Bell of the Harper Collins promo seems condescending to everyone who values the traditions of our Church.   For Rob it seems God is not found in the past. The old “tribal God” is “mean” and “not very intelligent.” For him, it’s our (Rob, et al) turn to create God.  Our new God won’t be mean, narrow, and stupid.  No, our new God will be enlightened and modern…like us.  Our new priests and priestesses will preach love without justice, they will affirm alphabet sexuality, and they will recognize that religion is rightly second to science.  The new will not be like the old with institutions, structures, traditions, and authority.

In these videos Rob Bell comes across as intelligent, kind, and welcoming.  But don’t false teachers often have that appeal.  The reality is that the new God Rob is offering is not new at all. It is as old as the story of humanity…as the serpent told Eve, “you will be like God…”

vids @ link: http://juicyecumenism.com/2013/03/08/rob-bells-new-god-aint-no-tribal-god/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 12, 2013, 12:17:40 pm
God is a mean God, really?

Col 1:12  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:


WHOOPS...

BTW - Rob Bell serves his OWN BELLY, and scripture proves it...

Php 3:18  (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)



Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 19, 2013, 02:10:38 pm
http://christiannews.net/2013/02/25/rob-bell-to-teach-teens-that-christian-beliefs-about-hell-are-misguided-and-toxic/
2/25/13
Rob Bell to Teach Teens That Christian Beliefs About Hell are ‘Misguided and Toxic’

Author and speaker Rob Bell is set to release a teen version of his book Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived nationwide next month.
 
In a promotional video created for Love Wins: For Teens, Bell explains that the book is designed to teach youth that God is the life of the party, rather than the one that spoils everyone’s fun.
 
“What do you believe about God?” he begins. “Is God somewhere on a cloud with a long beard, making a list of no’s?”
 
For a lot of people, when you mention God, the first thing they think of is, ‘Oh yeah, God shuts the party down,’” Bell continues. “But when Jesus talked about faith, when Jesus talked about God, one of the dominant images He uses again and again is that of a party.”
 
He explains that Christianity is not about saying no; it’s about saying yes.
 
“It’s not about long lists of regulations and things you can’t do” Bell says. “It’s about saying a giant ‘yes’ to the world. So what you believe God is like really, really matters. It shapes you and it forms you in a thousand different ways.”
 
While the promotional video does not necessarily underscore the book’s central theme of misconceptions about Hell, Bell’s summary on Amazon reveals this aspect.

“What if the idea of Heaven and Hell that we have been taught is not, in fact, what the Bible teaches?” he writes. “What if Jesus meant something very different by the concepts of Heaven, Hell and salvation from how we’ve come to understand them?”
 
Although the original release of Love Wins achieved best-seller status, many others who read the publication expressed deep concern about Bell’s teaching. Reviewer Elliott Nesch notes that even in the preface of the book, he laments that “a staggering number of people have been taught that a select few Christians will spend forever in a peaceful, joyous place called heaven, while the rest of humanity spends forever in” Hell. Bell then asserts that such a belief is “misguided and toxic.”
 
s this belief truly misguided and toxic or is it the truth? Why is it that a staggering number of Christians believe that only a ‘select few’ will be saved while many will be damned? Because Jesus said so,” Nesch states, pointing to Luke 13 and Matthew 7.
 
He decries Bell’s universalist insinuations that all men will be saved.
 
“Rob Bell asks, ‘Will all people be saved, or will God not get what God wants?’” Nesch notes. “Bell likens God not getting what He wants to failure. Bell goes on to say that ‘God does not fail,’ obviously implying that all people must go to Heaven.”
 
To Rob Bell, if Hell is real, then God is ‘terrifying, and traumatizing, and unbearable,’ and ‘can’t be loved.’ To Bell, the whole idea that ‘God will punish people for all of eternity for sins,’ is an ‘unacceptable, awful reality,’ Nesch said. “Thus, Bell is exchanging Biblical reality for his own reality, and teaching a god of his own image.”
 
“Bell is operating under the fear of man and not the fear of God,” he concludes.
 
The book is already among the top five religion and spirituality books for teens on Amazon.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 19, 2013, 02:13:48 pm
God is the life of a party? Where in scripture does it say this, Rob?

1Peter 2:11  Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12  Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.


Also Rob - when your parents instructed you to not do things like touch a hot stove, to not get near dangerous gangs, etc, were these a list of "no's" as well? ::)


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on March 20, 2013, 04:17:04 am
Rob Bell Supports Same-Sex Marriage, Says He Is for 'Fidelity and Love'

Mars Hill Bible Church Founding Pastor Also Talks Reclaiming 'Evangelical' and 'Massive Shift'


Former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell has come out in support of same-sex marriage, saying during a recent stop on his book tour that he is "for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it's a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man."

The former pastor and founder of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grandville, Mich., made the comment during a guest appearance this past Sunday at The Forum at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco to discuss his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God.

Grace Cathedral is the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California and describes itself as "an iconic house of prayer for all" and is home to an "inclusive congregation." The congregation's dean, the Very Rev. Dr. Jane Shaw, moderated The Forum discussion before a live audience.

When asked by Shaw if he was in favor of "marriage equality," the politically-charged term used by some who want "marriage" redefined, Bell said:

"Yes, I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it's a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are."

Bell's comment, first reported on by New Testament professor and Huffington Post columnist Greg Carey, drew brief applause from the audience.

The Christian minister, whose Love Wins book was severely criticized by some evangelical leaders for challenging orthodox teachings on a literal, eternal hell and the exclusivity of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, was also asked how one can negotiate the differences between truth and honesty while respecting and loving all citizens of the world.

"The powerful revolutionary thing about Jesus' message is he says 'what do you with the people who aren't like you? What do you do with the other? What do you do with the person who is hardest to love...?'" Bell responded. "That's the measure of a good religion. You can love the people who are like you, that's kind of easy. What Jesus does is take the question and talks about fruit, he's interested in what you actually produce and that's a different discussion."

He added, "I think people are drawn to your message when they realize that you don't have an agenda and that you are actually interested in them and you do want to serve them. … Serving actually does change the game."

Bell, 42, shared reflections on his journey into ministry, founding Mars Hill Bible Church, and various personal theological crises in his life that often affected the membership of the church. He related at one point during the discussion how a friend once told him, "With you, it's either 1,000 people coming or 1,000 people going."

Asked specifically about the reaction to his 2011 New York Times Best Seller Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, Bell said he was already accustomed to constant criticism, and at some point simply chose to block it out and focus on what he felt was his calling.

"When Love Wins came out ... I had gotten used to pretty much everywhere I would go in public, I would run into people who at some point were part of the church and left because they thought I was going off the rails. That was pretty much anytime I would leave the house, because it's a small city. That was just a part of life," Bell said.

He added that he often heard stories about "extraordinary things" related to his writings and teachings, such as marriages being healed, people getting help for eating disorders and people getting out of prison and getting back on their feet.

"I had just decided those are the emails I will read. That is the work I am here to do. There are lots of people that have a strong sense that there is more to life and need guidance and help, and that's why I'm here. Trying to make these people happy was never the point," Bell remarked.

The Very Rev. Shaw asked for Bell's perspective on the future of the evangelical church, some segments of which he believes are on the way out, partly because their approach "doesn't work."

"I think there is a very narrow, politically-intertwined, culturally-ghettoized evangelical subculture that was told 'we're gonna change the thing' and they haven't. And they actually have turned away lots of people. I think when you're part of a subculture that is dying, you make a lot more noise because that pain, it's very painful," he said, adding that he sees a "massive shifting" on the horizon.

"What you're also seeing is all sorts of fresh, new innovative work being done and things sprouting up all over the place that's just amazing signs of life," Bell continued. "I think you'll see a massive shifting. To me what would be beautiful is if the word 'evangelical' … came to mean buoyant, joyful, honest announcement about all of us receiving the grace of God and then together giving back to make the world the kind of place God always dreamed it could be. I don't toss the word out. Let's reclaim it, all of us."

Shaw and Bell closed out The Forum discussion with an update from the Christian author on his current projects and focus, primary of which he said is being a good father to his three children and a good husband to his wife. The Bells left Mars Hill Bible Church and Michigan more than a year ago to pursue innovative projects, such as a television show the former pastor is developing with "Lost" series creator Carlton Cuse.

"He (Cuse) and I are developing a show and when I get done with the book promo, we'll sort of … it could get real exciting, but we are working to create a space, a funny subversive, welcoming, interesting space somewhere between my 'Noomas' and sermons and interviews like this," Bell shared. "Throw in a TED talk, 'Letterman,' 'Ellen' and a little bit 'Lost' and put it in a blender. That's sort of what we're working on. It hasn't been done before, and a bunch of doors have opened for us that don't open for Christian pastors. He and I are really, really excited because we get to create a space that doesn't exist."

Bell continues his U.S. tour with a handful of stops along the West Coast before heading to the United Kingdom. In What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell tackles common misconceptions about God, according to publisher HarperOne.

His Forum appearance was Grace Cathedral's final one of the winter term and the church has previously hosted discussions with individuals such as the Rev. Becca Stevens, the Rt. Rev. Gene Robinson, Eve Ensler and several other authors, artists and faith leaders.

READ MORE: Rob Bell Affirmed Gay Christians in 2012 as 'Passionate Disciples of Jesus'
http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-affirmed-gay-christians-in-2012-as-passionate-disciples-of-jesus-92181/

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-supports-same-sex-marriage-says-he-is-for-fidelity-and-love-92064/#r6BcyM39wBf3VR2L.99


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 20, 2013, 06:37:00 pm
Well, these "bible seminaries" and the Southern Baptist Convention have alot of explaining to do now - as they are letting Bell's stuff into their doors.

Hirelings indeed...


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on March 26, 2013, 06:39:40 am
Im betting that Rob comes out of the closet here soon

Bell Calls Homosexual ‘Marriage’ a Move of God for ‘Greater Affirmation of Gay Brothers, Sisters’

Maybe YOUR god Rob, but not the God of the Bible

Just days after word broke that Rob Bell, author of the best-selling and controversial book Love Wins, which challenges the Christian teaching of Hell, came out in support of the homosexual lifestyle, Bell has reiterated his beliefs to the media.

This week, Odyssey Networks posted a video interview with Bell, during which he further outlined his stance, stating that he believes that the push for homosexual “marriage” is actually a move of God.

“What we’re seeing right now in this day, I believe, [is] God pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and co-workers,” Bell asserted. “And we’re realizing that God made some of us one way and some of us another.”

“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God [pulling us] ahead, do you mean like same sex marriage?’ Yes,” he continued. “[W]e live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles — people we’ve journeyed with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems we have in the world.”

Bell contended that homosexual relationships should be affirmed because the world is in need of love.

“I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing right now is, you are seeing God pulling us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love. We need more fidelity. We need more monogamy. We need more people who are committed to each other,” he explained. “It’s not good for us to be alone.”

The former pastor then opined that the “old way” of handling the issue of homosexuality is faulty.

MORE: http://christiannews.net/2013/03/23/bell-calls-homosexual-marriage-a-move-of-god-for-greater-affirmation-of-gay-brothers-sisters/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 26, 2013, 12:49:34 pm
Even the SBC has endorsed his works(and I believe their seminaries and church's "small groups" do his studies as well).

Yeah, I know that the SBC has been leavened with Jesuits and Freemasons, but nonetheless they have an outward cloak of being conservative, and these are the same middle/elderly-aged white haired men that are endorsing this agent of Satan.

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Im betting that Rob comes out of the closet here soon

Yeah, I was thinking that b/w now and the USSC gay marriage ruling in late June, don't be surprised to see some "prominent" evangelical either come out of the closet(or come out supporting it for whatever reason) - not necessarily Bell, but some "conservative" SBC guy.


Title: Rob Bell Grows Frustrated Amid Questions on 'Sinfulness' of Homosexuality
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 07, 2013, 06:06:37 pm
Rob Bell Grows Frustrated Amid Questions on 'Sinfulness' of Homosexuality
5/4/13

Former megachurch pastor Rob Bell appeared in a recent radio discussion with Christian British minister Andrew Wilson to discuss his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, and grew frustrated when pressed by Wilson to explain his theological reasons for affirming homosexuality and same-sex relationships.

Bell and Wilson appeared on the U.K. faith debate program "Unbelievable?" hosted by Justin Brierley on Premier Christian Radio. Wilson is a published theologian and elder at Kings Church in Eastbourne, East Sussex. The men, moderated by Brierley, started the discussion by debating various issues during the hour-plus program, but it was during their discussion on homosexuality that Bell appeared to grow visibly upset.

"Do you believe that this is an area where actually God is ahead of the church, that affirming same-sex partnerships is actually a God thing and that we will eventually all get to see that in the course of time?" Brierley asked Bell of comments he made in March.

The former Mars Hill Bible Church pastor revealed in March his acceptance of gay marriage, having said, "I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers." Previously, Bell had also stated that he was "for marriage ... for fidelity ... for love" whether it was with homosexual or heterosexual relationships.

"I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are," Bell said in March.

He reiterated his position on homosexuality during his interview on Premier Christian Radio last week.

"I think it's time for the church to acknowledge that we have brothers and sisters who are gay and want to share their life with someone. This is a part of life in the modern world and that's how it is. And that cultural consciousness has shifted, and this is how the world is and that what's happening for a lot of people, is that they want nothing to do with God and Jesus because they can't see beyond that particular issue," he said in response to Brierley's question.

"What I don't know is the grounding for that statement ...," said Wilson. He asked Bell if he would say that two men having sex is not sinful.

"I would begin with, I am for monogamy, I am for fidelity, I am for commitment. I think the world needs more of that. I think that promiscuity is dangerous and promiscuity is destructive," said Bell. "Some people are gay and want to share their life with someone and they should be able to. That's how the world is and we should affirm that. We should affirm monogamy, fidelity and commitment – both gay and straight." He went on to add that he does not see same-sex relationships as "destructive or evil."

Wilson asked Bell if his remark was a positive or negative response to his initial question on homosexual acts being sinful.

"What I'm trying to get my head around is, do you think it's sinful but we need to lump it because the world's changed? Or do you think it's not sinful and if so, do you think the Bible doesn't think it's sinful and that Jesus didn't think it was sinful?" said Wilson.

"I'm not aware that Jesus mentions it. I think you have about five verses that can be read a number of different ways. And there is a large Christian tradition that sees this as there are Scriptures that speak to this but I don't think you make it an overwhelmingly (sic) case against it," responded Bell.

Wilson then asked Bell if his position is that homosexual acts are "not a problem for God" and that if he would say that if Paul and Jesus are understood properly, people would find that "they genuinely didn't have a problem with guys having sex with guys."

"I think Paul had his answer to that question tied up in worship of all sorts of other deities. I think it was all one giant hairball in Paul's day. And that, for him, that was the temple and there was the temple of other gods who were opposed to the God of Israel and that went on in there. So I think when Paul was talking about this issue, for him it's tied up in all sorts of idolatry, it's all sorts of rejection of God. So I don't want to pull the various issues apart. I don't think they had a cultural conception ...," said Bell before being cut off by Wilson, who then gave a scenario of the apostle Paul having to deal with homosexuality at the church in Corinth.

"There's two gay men at the church in Corinth, they're having sex together, they're not worshipping idols. Paul's gonna say, 'That's great guys, go for it, we need more of that ...' Is that what you believe is true of Paul?" Wilson asked.

"I think Paul didn't have that cultural framework or conception operating around him. I think he had men and boys. I think he had temples. I did not think he was talking about what we're talking about in 2013 which is two committed people in a same-sex relationship. So I would start there," said Bell.

While the discussion eventually ended amicably, the repeated questions from Wilson about Bell's theological support for embracing homosexuality eventually led the former megachurch pastor to express frustration with what he felt was a challenge to his commitment to Christ.

Bell, who toured the U.K. last month to promote What We Talk About When We Talk About God, surprised the evangelical Christian community in March when he expressed support for same-sex marriage, although he had previously affirmed gay Christians. The married father of three's controversial position is considered unorthodox by many in the Christian community who believe the Bible rejects sexual relationships outside the confines of traditional marriage.

The Mars Hill Bible Church founder and his family left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, where he has been developing a faith-inspired television program with "Lost" series creator Carlton Cuse. Bell's best-selling book Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, was also considered controversial by some who believe it challenges traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ being necessary for heaven.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-grows-frustrated-amid-questions-on-sinfulness-of-homosexuality-95209/#RYwOAvRGRCUegELT.99


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Kilika on May 08, 2013, 03:21:25 am
Quote
..."I think Paul had his answer to that question tied up in worship of all sorts of other deities. I think it was all one giant hairball in Paul's day. And that, for him, that was the temple and there was the temple of other gods who were opposed to the God of Israel and that went on in there. So I think when Paul was talking about this issue, for him it's tied up in all sorts of idolatry, it's all sorts of rejection of God. So I don't want to pull the various issues apart. I don't think they had a cultural conception ...," said Bell before being cut off by Wilson, who then gave a scenario of the apostle Paul having to deal with homosexuality at the church in Corinth.

"There's two gay men at the church in Corinth, they're having sex together, they're not worshipping idols. Paul's gonna say, 'That's great guys, go for it, we need more of that ...' Is that what you believe is true of Paul?" Wilson asked.

"I think Paul didn't have that cultural framework or conception operating around him. I think he had men and boys. I think he had temples. I did not think he was talking about what we're talking about in 2013 which is two committed people in a same-sex relationship. So I would start there," said Bell...

THAT is an outrage! He ought to be sued for calling himself a Christian. That's not the words of a Christian, but a demon. And it appears he has the "anti-Paul" attitude to boot.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on May 21, 2013, 07:04:57 am
Noise of Thunder Radio - Rob Bell: A Disciple of Hell? - 5.20.13

Chris discusses the latest announcement of former evangelical pastor, Rob Bell who has declared that God is moving the Church toward the acceptance of homosexual marriage.  This is the latest from Bell, whose book "Love Wins" taught that ultimately nobody goes to Hell, and that everyone will end up in heaven sooner or later -- regardless of whether they have believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  When Jesus reproved the Pharisees, He said to them: "... ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." (Matt. 23:15)  Is Rob Bell leading souls to Hell?  Is he a child of Hell himself?  And what will the acceptance of so-called "homosexual Christianity" do to the Church and America?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_ROB.BELL_05.21.13.mp3


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 21, 2013, 11:57:20 am
Noise of Thunder Radio - Rob Bell: A Disciple of Hell? - 5.20.13

Chris discusses the latest announcement of former evangelical pastor, Rob Bell who has declared that God is moving the Church toward the acceptance of homosexual marriage.  This is the latest from Bell, whose book "Love Wins" taught that ultimately nobody goes to Hell, and that everyone will end up in heaven sooner or later -- regardless of whether they have believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  When Jesus reproved the Pharisees, He said to them: "... ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." (Matt. 23:15)  Is Rob Bell leading souls to Hell?  Is he a child of Hell himself?  And what will the acceptance of so-called "homosexual Christianity" do to the Church and America?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_ROB.BELL_05.21.13.mp3

Interesting...didn't know that at least part of the reason why those "Harry Potter" books were allowed in public schools et al was b/c "evangelical/Churchianity leaders" like Chuck Colson gave it the green light. No, it wasn't like the secular forces needed Colson's blessings et al, but nonetheless when "influential" evangelicals like Colson gave it their blessings, it just became that much easier to infiltrate its way through. Reminds me of the 80's and especially the 90's when these things were much more difficult b/c even these Churchianity groups had SOME backbone to take a stand. Yes, I understand, there's some Hegelian Dialectic going on, but nonetheless as we can see here, eventually the walls will come crumbling down if they don't make Jesus Christ our rock.

Matthew 7:24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


1Peter_4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

As for homosexual marriage - ultimately, when the economy continues to go into freefall mode, shouldn't surprise us if the 501c3 church system ends up caving in out of desperation(ie-501c3s get tax benefits for weddings, funerals, baptisms, etc). So it will probably be out of the love of money for doing so.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: McChristian on June 07, 2013, 09:55:27 pm
Though this is predicted to happen (apostasy), I do find it sad.

If he accepts a  evolution stance on the world's beginning then the idea of what will faith be like in a million years can be damaging to his state of mentality. Because it presents the concept of a technical changing world, which we bible believing Christians know this is leading towards the end times, and a growing secular world, again which is predicted, a godless world, though I think Rob Bell has forsaken true Christianity with 'Love Wins', where will Christianity fit into this?

I think a literal stance on Genesis is needed to have solid foundations for Bible doctrine, thus why the idea of Hell is 'harsh' to him and why Sodomites marrying is 'okay' to him. If you cannot trust the beginning of the Bible then you cannot accept other doctrines. I think he probably did step down because he didn't want to face a crowed of people who he didn't share the same ideas with. I hope he repents of preaching false teachings; however, in these end times I cannot be sure he will.

I say all this, again, because its sad. Sad how one has fallen this low in the faith. I doubt he is saved, and I think he could openly switch sides with the Antichrist when he makes his arrival.



Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 07, 2013, 11:50:55 pm
Though this is predicted to happen (apostasy), I do find it sad.

If he accepts a  evolution stance on the world's beginning then the idea of what will faith be like in a million years can be damaging to his state of mentality. Because it presents the concept of a technical changing world, which we bible believing Christians know this is leading towards the end times, and a growing secular world, again which is predicted, a godless world, though I think Rob Bell has forsaken true Christianity with 'Love Wins', where will Christianity fit into this?

I think a literal stance on Genesis is needed to have solid foundations for Bible doctrine, thus why the idea of Hell is 'harsh' to him and why Sodomites marrying is 'okay' to him. If you cannot trust the beginning of the Bible then you cannot accept other doctrines. I think he probably did step down because he didn't want to face a crowed of people who he didn't share the same ideas with. I hope he repents of preaching false teachings; however, in these end times I cannot be sure he will.

I say all this, again, because its sad. Sad how one has fallen this low in the faith. I doubt he is saved, and I think he could openly switch sides with the Antichrist when he makes his arrival.



There was Apostasy in my days as a young boy and college student in the 80's and 90's, however, I don't ever recall it being THIS bad - it's gotten to a point now where these people like Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and Rob Bell are just glorying in their own shame.

But like we know from the scriptures - this is predicted in the last days. Thank you Jesus for giving us your word!


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: McChristian on June 12, 2013, 06:26:06 pm
Thought of some verses which describe his actions....

1 Timothy 4:1-3
(1)  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
(2)  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(3)  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Universalism or his 'Love Wins' edition of it, are described as:
1 Timothy 4:7
(7)  But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 12, 2013, 06:53:01 pm
I've seen heretics and false prophets even during my days growing up as a young boy in the 80's - but never have I seen anyone like Rob Bell. It's as if he's the entire package, albeit not coming subtlely at all.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: McChristian on August 22, 2013, 03:46:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG1CDec4qkg

This guys is so beyond the gospel its sad but yet  :D ridiculous.

At 2:02 he makes his statement saying basically: modern day "Science" (I call it: Church of Darwin of Latter Day Saints) says that the world was formed 6000 years ago, or the genesis account "can't" be true.

I think he's unsaved, and bitter about his life choices...

At 2:30s he asks, "Is God going to be left behind like Oldsmobiles?"


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on September 29, 2013, 05:03:57 am
Satans Pastor and the New-Age Queen, what a perfect pair, they are just missing the court jestor Joel Osteen...  ::)

No Hell Bell to ‘Talk About God’ on Oprah Winfrey’s ‘Super Soul Sunday’

Rob Bell, author of the best-selling and controversial book Love Wins, which challenges Christian teachings on Hell, is set to appear on Oprah Winfrey’s Super Soul Sunday to discuss his new book What We Talk About When We Talk About God.
 
The Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) has announced that Bell recently sat down with Winfrey for a taping of the broadcast, which is set to air on November 3rd. The network outlined that Winfrey’s Emmy Award-winning show “presents an array of perspectives on what it means to be alive in today’s world,” by ”exploring themes and issues including happiness, personal fulfillment, wellness, spirituality and conscious living.”
 
Winfrey praised Bell in a post on her website, entitled What Oprah Knows for Sure About Spirituality.
 
“When Rob Bell—pastor, best-selling author, provocative thinker—recently joined me on the show, we talked for two and a half hours, and I could have kept going,” she wrote. “The ideas Rob sets forth in his books Love Wins and What We Talk About When We Talk About God opened my heart and my mind. People like him are the reason I set out to build OWN in the first place: to be able to gather a global community of like-minded seekers.”

Bell explains in his new book–the focus of the interview–his belief that “God is for every single one of us, regardless of our beliefs or perspectives or failures or mistakes.”
 
“I got an email from my friend Gary last year, saying that he’d decided to visit a church with his family… They’d heard a sermon about how resurrection means everybody who is gay is going to Hell,” he writes. “And then my friend Michael recently told me about hearing the leader of a large Christian denomination say that if you deny that God made the world in a literal six days, you are denying the rest of the Bible as well, because it doesn’t matter what science says.”
 
“Christians and a growing number of pastors–believing or trusting in that God, the one they’ve heard other Christians talk about, feels like a step backward, to an earlier, less informed and enlightened time, one that we’ve thankfully left behind,” Bell continues. “There’s a question that lurks in these stories, a question that an ever-increasing number of people across a broad range of backgrounds and perspectives are asking about God: Can God keep up with the modern world?”

While some like Winfrey praise Bell’s writings, others have expressed deep concern, stating that Bell is apostate and is leading many down a dark and dangerous path.
 
“Plain and simple, Rob Bell’s teachings are not true to the words of Scripture,” Eric Ludy, pastor of Church at Ellerslie and president of Ellerslie Mission Society in Windsor, Colorado told Christian News Network. “They are a sly attempt at blending the philosophies of our post-modern age with the vernacular of pop-Christianity. The end product is highly dangerous to the human soul because it is the forging of a golden calf god–a God of our culture’s making–and certainly not the God of the Bible.”
 
Other guests on Winfrey’s network have included Joel Osteen, Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes.
coincidence? i dont think so

http://christiannews.net/2013/09/28/no-hell-bell-to-talk-about-god-on-oprah-winfreys-super-soul-sunday/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Kilika on September 29, 2013, 05:36:09 am
As we know, the world loves it's own, right? (ironic that her network is called "OWN"!)

So, seeing that heathen Oprah is not christian, it stands to reason she would promote...

Quote
People like him are the reason I set out to build OWN in the first place: to be able to gather a global community of like-minded seekers.”




Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on April 30, 2014, 05:36:24 am
'The Rob Bell Show' Starts Taping for Oprah Winfrey Network

Rob Bell, described as a pastor, author and spiritual leader, has invited supporters to attend the first tapings of his new show picked up by OWN, or The Oprah Winfrey Network.

"May 14th we're taping the first two episodes of my new television show and I'd love for you to be there," Bell shared last week with his 281,000 Twitter and Facebook followers and fans.

The taping announcement for "The Rob Bell Show" requests that participants be in Los Angeles and available from 5 p.m. - 11 p.m.

"On Wednesday, May 14th, 2014, pastor, author and spiritual leader Rob Bell will be taping two episodes of his upcoming show for OWN, The Oprah Winfrey Network," read the notice. "The shows will be taped in the evening, back-to-back, in Los Angeles, CA. If you would like to be a part of the audience for this brand new, transformative and exciting series, "The Rob Bell Show" would love to hear from you! Space is very limited, so please contact us now!"

Bell previously developed a television drama called "Stronger" with Carlton Cuse ("Lost") for ABC in 2011, but the program never aired. The pair went on to "test drive" a faith-oriented talk show described as an extension of Bell's sermons, NOOMA videos, and tours mixed with the "spiritual issues" explored by Cuse in "Lost."

It was unclear if the new show being taped by Bell for OWN was related to his previous work with Cuse, but the former Mars Hill Bible Church pastor was not the first Christian leader to develop his own mainstream talk show program. T.D. Jakes, pastor of The Potter's House in Dallas, Texas, launched in Dec. 2013 "T.D. Jakes Presents: Mind, Body and Soul" on BET Networks.

Both Bell and Jakes, along with megachurch pastors and bestselling authors Rick Warren and Joel Osteen, have appeared on Winfrey's "Super Soul Sundays" and "Oprah's Lifeclass" programs.

Winfrey, known for propelling the careers of clinical psychologist Phil McGraw and cardiothoracic surgeon Mehmet Oz and many others, announced last month that Bell would be joining her for a national event called the "Life You Want" tour.

The former Mars Hill Bible Church pastor and Love Wins author was among several "handpicked thought leaders and pop culture icons" that would be joining Winfrey on the fall tour to help people find their calling and fulfill their greatest potential (read more about the tour here).

Bell debuted on OWN for Winfrey's "Super Soul Sunday" program in Nov. 2013 to discuss his latest book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God (HarperOne, 2013), which won high praise from the media giant and was her premiere pick for the "Oprah's Super Soulful Book of the Month."

"The ideas Rob sets forth in his books, Love Wins and What We Talk About When We Talk About God, opened my heart and my mind. People like him are the reason I set out to build OWN in the first place: to be able to gather a global community of like-minded seekers," Winfrey wrote last year.

While Bell remains controversial among some conservative and evangelical Christians for questioning a literal, eternal hell in Love Wins and voicing support last year for same-sex marriage, his work continues to resonate with a growing audience.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-rob-bell-show-starts-taping-for-oprah-winfrey-network-118787/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on December 07, 2014, 08:18:21 am
Controversial Author Rob Bell Who Questioned Hell Turns Self-Help Guru on Oprah Winfrey Network

The former head “pastor” of Michigan’s Mars Hill Bible Church and author of “Love Wins,” a book questioning the orthodox Christian view of Hell, is set to debut his own self-help television talk show this month on the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN), a move that may raise additional concerns about the already controversial speaker.

“The Rob Bell Show” featuring the former spiritual leader comes on the heels of Bell’s appearance at Winfrey’s “Life You Want” tour, which also featured speakers like New Age guru Deepak Chopra.

“Considered to be one of America’s most influential and progressive spiritual leaders, New York Times best-selling author Rob Bell shines a bright light on the topics we most want to talk about but often don’t know how to even approach,” a description of the broadcast reads. “Through riveting conversations with a live audience, and by incorporating creative on-camera storytelling, Rob—as only he can—explores themes such as owning your story and wonder and awe.”

In March 2013, in making a return visit to the Michigan church he founded over a decade ago, Bell announced the making of the new program.

“We want to talk about the things that matter most,” Bell told the congregation of Mars Hill Bible Church. “We want to talk about our brokenness and our struggle. We want to be inspired. We want to hear stories.”

“I want to take elements of this, what you’re experiencing here,” he said. “I want to put it all in a blender, and throw in a little ‘Lost,’ maybe some TED Talk and maybe some Letterman and do something that’s never been done before.”

Some state that the program will focus less on theology and Bible teaching and more on self-help topics. Bell had appeared on Winfrey’s Super Soul Sunday in September of last year to discuss his book “What We Talk About When We Talk About God,” a broadcast in which Bell “explor[ed] themes and issues including happiness, personal fulfillment, wellness, spirituality and conscious living.”

Winfrey praised Bell in a post on her website, entitled “What Oprah Knows for Sure About Spirituality.”

“When Rob Bell—pastor, best-selling author, provocative thinker—recently joined me on the show, we talked for two and a half hours, and I could have kept going,” she wrote. “The ideas Rob sets forth in his books Love Wins and What We Talk About When We Talk About God opened my heart and my mind. People like him are the reason I set out to build OWN in the first place: to be able to gather a global community of like-minded seekers.”

Bell had left Mars Hill in 2011 shortly after releasing his book “Love Wins,” which was criticized by many for its universalistic teachings that claimed the majority of Christian doctrine on Hell is “misguided and toxic.” However, he asserts that his departure had nothing to do with controversy over the book. Bell relocated to Los Angeles and recently told reporters that he no longer attends a Sunday assembly, but rather meets with others in his own way.

“We have a little tribe of friends,” he said. “We have a group that we are journeying with. There’s no building. We’re churching all the time. It’s more of a verb for us.”

However, he said that he is not against church fellowships.

“Churches can be places that help people grow and help people connect with others and help people connect with the great issues of our day,” Bell said. “They can also be toxic, black holes of despair. My thinking is, it depends on where you are in your life. One of the most extraordinary things I’ve done since I left Mars Hill is be with people and engage with people who would never step foot in a church.”

In addition to raising controversy over his teachings about Hell, Bell drew criticism last year when he came out in support of same-sex “marriage.”

“I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man,” he said. “I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs—I think this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”

Bell likewise opined that many evangelicals can no longer be classified as conservatives because their beliefs have changed with the times.

“I think we are witnessing the death of a particular subculture that doesn’t work. … You sort of die or you adapt,” he asserted. “And we have supported policies and ways of viewing the world that are actually destructive. And we’ve done it in the name of God and we need to repent.”

In light of his controversial views, some have said that Bell is leading many down a dark and destructive path.

“Plain and simple, Rob Bell’s teachings are not true to the words of Scripture,” Eric Ludy, pastor of Church at Ellerslie and president of Ellerslie Mission Society in Windsor, Colorado told Christian News Network. “They are a sly attempt at blending the philosophies of our post-modern age with the vernacular of pop-Christianity. The end product is highly dangerous to the human soul because it is the forging of a golden calf god—a God of our culture’s making—and certainly not the God of the Bible.”

“The Rob Bell Show” is set to air on Dec. 21 at 8 p.m. on OWN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5SQ5VGNxN50

http://christiannews.net/2014/12/03/controversial-author-rob-bell-who-questioned-hell-turns-self-help-guru-on-oprah-winfrey-network/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on December 24, 2014, 05:55:23 am
Rob Bell Premieres New Show on Oprah's TV Network

 The premiere episode of The Rob Bell Show aired on OWN yesterday (Dec. 22). The show, featuring author and pastor Rob Bell, was highly anticipated by the Christian community; Bell’s past works had many wondering what message the pastor would convey.
 
Bell is the author of “Love Wins,” a book that gained attention and criticism for suggesting that the current Christian interpretation of Hell and eternal punishment may be wrong. Several notable evangelical pastors distanced themselves from Bell’s teaching but the pastor gained a new audience in Oprah Winfrey fans.
 
The Rob Bell Show’s premiere featured a message based on Colossians 1:20 and focused on “the reconciliation of all things.” Relevant Magazine writes that “it sounded a lot like a Sunday morning sermon.”
 
Bell’s hour-long show pointed people with painful pasts to Jesus. Bell’s ultimate point was that Jesus is is “the reconciliation of all things.”
 
http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/rob-bell-premieres-new-show-on-oprah-s-tv-network.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf5heuUEUE0


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on February 18, 2015, 06:31:24 am
Former Megachurch Pastor Rob Bell Tells Oprah the Church Is 'Moments Away' From Embracing Gay Marriage

Former Mars Hill Bible Church pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell told media mogul Oprah Winfrey on Sunday that the American church is "moments away" from embracing gay marriage and thinks "it's inevitable."

Bell made the statement during a Valentine's weekend episode of Winfrey's "Super Soul Sunday" television show where he appeared with his wife, Kristen, to discuss marriage and their new book, The ZimZum of Love: A New Way of Understanding Marriage.

The same-sex marriage discussion portion of the episode, which can be viewed below, starts at around the 29-minute mark where Kristen begins reading an excerpt from the book.

"Marriage, gay and straight, is a gift to the world because the world needs more not less love, fidelity, commitment, devotion and sacrifice," she noted.

Winfrey then tells the couple that she thought it was great that they made a conscious choice to include gay marriage in the book, and asked them why?

"One of the oldest aches in the bones of humanity is loneliness," replied Rob Bell. "Loneliness is not good for the world. Whoever you are, gay or straight, it is totally normal, natural and healthy to want someone to go through life with. It's central to our humanity. We want someone to go on the journey with."

His response then prompted Winfrey to ask: "When is the church going to get that?"

"We're close," he began, answering slowly before his wife interjected "I think it's evolving."

He then added: "Lots of people are already there. We think it's inevitable and we're moments away from the church accepting it."

Bell warned that if the church keeps resisting same-sex marriage it would "continue to be even more irrelevant."

"I think culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life," he said.

"There are churches who are moving forward and there are churches who are almost regressing and making it more of a battle," added his wife.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/former-megachurch-pastor-rob-bell-tells-oprah-the-church-is-moments-away-from-embracing-gay-marriage-134264/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on February 18, 2015, 06:53:15 am
Pastor: Christianity Irrelevant if it Continues Quoting The Bible
Says church must accept homosexuality


 Rob Bell, former megachurch pastor turned spiritual advisor to Oprah Winfrey, said that the culture is ready to embrace homosexuality and same-sex marriage and if the church hopes to stay relevant, it must accept those relationships and stop looking to the Bible as its best defense.

Bell was recently asked by Winfrey on her network's show, Super Soul Sunday, how close Christian churches are to accepting homosexuality. Bell said they are "close" and warned that if they don't, they will become even more irrelevant than before:

    I think culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life with someone.

Winfrey stated the obvious: "You sound really progressive to me."

And that Bell is. He has long been dubbed a heretic by other Christian leaders for moving away from the Gospel message of salvation in Jesus Christ and into pop-psychology. His best selling books include, Love Wins and Sex God. Bell has also made waves by questioning the existence of Hell and a God of love that would condemn people to be there.

Before he moved to Los Angeles and teamed up with Oprah Winfrey, Bell was the pastor of the 10,000-member-strong Mars Hill Bible Church. He is no longer attending church and says he, his wife, and the group of friends they are "journeying with," are "churching" all the time in service to their surrounding communities.

Bell once said of Winfrey, "She has taught me more about what Jesus has for all of us, and what kind of life Jesus wants us to live, more than almost anybody in my life. Is she a Christian? That word has so much baggage, I wouldn’t want to answer for someone. When Jesus talks about the full divine life, you think, this is what he’s talking about."

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/pastor-christianity-irrelevant-if-it-continues-quoting-bible


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on February 18, 2015, 06:58:34 am
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    I think culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life with someone.

Mal 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:




Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on February 21, 2015, 06:03:31 am
Rob Bell Suggests Bible Not Relevant to Today's Culture

Former Mars Hill church Pastor Rob Bell has been raising a lot of eyebrows for his evolving views about Christianity and the Bible.

Bell and his wife, Kristen, recently appeared with Oprah Winfrey on her "Super Soul Sunday" program, where he suggested the Bible is irrelevant to today's culture.

"We're moments away. I think the culture is already there. And the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense," he told Winfrey when asked about the Church embracing gay marriage.

His wife admitted that churches across the nation are still split on the issue, but added that those who maintain an orthodox view on homosexuality are "regressing."

"I think there are a lot of people, who as they see culture moving, their response is to dig in deeper, is to, like, hold their ground, fight against it," Kristen Bell said. "So I think that there are both things happening. There are churches that are moving forward into that area, and there are churches who are almost regressing and making it more of a battle."

Dr. R.C. Sproul, Jr., host of the "Jesus Changes Everything" podcast and a teaching fellow for Ligonier Ministries, said nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, he said that by casting aside the Bible's relevance, Rob Bell has diminished his own relevance.

"The irony, of course, is that though he is sitting next to one of the most influential women of our day, Oprah Winfrey, though he is on national television making this claim, the irony is that this is how Rob Bell has made himself so unbelievably irrelevant," he said in a recent post.

"When we push against the Word of God which is an immovable rock, sooner or later we will find ourselves cursing the Word of God, and spitting on it. And that is where Rob Bell has found himself," he said.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2015/February/Rob-Bell-Suggests-Bible-Not-Relevant-to-Todays-Culture/


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 09, 2015, 12:15:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oija71lCBPc


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 24, 2015, 06:07:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2o1wdzJTrM


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 11, 2015, 03:06:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuoiNaVeRBQ


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 19, 2015, 03:12:08 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=36464
6 HORRIFIC FACTS ABOUT HELL THAT YOUR PASTOR NEVER TOLD YOU
Jimmy Randolph | October 19, 2015 | 8 Comments

GOD DIDN’T WANT YOU TO BURN IN HELL, THAT’S WHY HE SHED EVERY DROP OF BLOOD HE HAD. I DON’T WANT YOU TO BURN IN HELL, THAT’S WHY I’M WITNESSING TO YOU.

“But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.” Luke 12:5 (KJV)

What is the purpose and goal of NTEB? We exist to lead sinners to Christ, help prodigals come home, and to preach and stand for the truth of God’s word in last days of this age. Unfortunately however, there will be some readers of NTEB that will one day awake in a Devil’s Hell. I do not rejoice over this, but it is the sad reality. One of the reasons for this is that the vast majority of professing Christian churches in 2015 are no longer preaching on Hell. It upsets too many people, so most pastors just stopped talking about it. As a result, many people who mistakenly think they are saved because they are “good people” will wind up in a place that God never intended for them to go. Is that YOU?

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“…And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments”
Some readers have already predetermined within themselves that they are going to trust in whatever their religion says to the very end, no matter what God’s word has to say about it: whether it’s commandment keeping for salvation, enduring to the end for salvation, tongue speaking, trusting in lying signs and wonders they’ve “seen”, water baptism regeneration for salvation, etc. Some readers will just simply not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Once again, I do not rejoice over this. Maybe it’s not a reader. Maybe this article gets passed along to a lost relative, friend, or co-worker. Maybe this article gets read right before a lost man or woman goes out to celebrate the Devil’s holiday on the 31st.  I don’t know, but I pray that all will come to the Lord Jesus Christ as a broken sinner with no means of justification outside of the blood that Christ shed on Calvary’s cross for them; but this just won’t be the case for everyone.

Before you mark me as simply being negative, notice that both Moses and Joshua had similar views about the nation of Israel regarding their eventual refusal to heed God’s word:

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?”  Deuteronomy 31:16-17 (KJV)

“And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the LORD, to serve other gods; For the LORD our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed: And the LORD drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God. And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.” Joshua 24:16-21 (KJV)

If you are saved and reading this, be sure to a) thank God for your salvation! And, b) be encouraged to witness to those lost around you. Time is so very short.

HERE ARE 6 HORRIFIC FACTS ABOUT HELL THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE NOTE OF:

HORRIFIC FACT #1 – YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO GO TO HELL

I believe that one of the many reasons why God refers to atheists as fools (Psalms 14:1 KJV) is because only a fool would choose to burn in Hell when they didn’t have too. I mean seriously, what the heck are you doing down there?!? Did you not read where the Lord Jesus Christ specifically stated the Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels?

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” Matt 25:41 (KJV)

Are you the Devil? No. Are you one of the Devil’s angels? No. Then WHAT ARE YOU DOING DOWN THERE?? God didn’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why He shed every drop of blood he had. I don’t want you to burn in Hell that’s why I’m witnessing to you. The Devil wanted you to burn in Hell, but he couldn’t FORCE YOU to go. Why did you choose to go?? Talk about a mind-boggling question that will haunt you throughout eternity.

HORRIFIC FACT #2 – IN HELL, YOU’LL BE A MISFIT

What do Jacob Taylor Roberts, Elliot Rodger, and Asa Coon all have in common? Well on top of being Atheist active-shooters, all three of them decided to take the cowards’ way out after their mini-murder spree by committing suicide. Many ask why they would commit suicide. That answer is simple in my opinion. In the atheist worldview, after death there’s nothingness. Nothingness is a thousand times better than being a young white or Asian adolescent male in prison these days! You talk about being a misfit! How is a middle-class young male that had just about all the privileges and opportunities in life going to “fit in” with some of the world’s most hardened rapist, career criminals, gang members, serial murderers, habitual abusers, and sadist that are doing life in prison? You think that’s going to be some sort of walk in the park??

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Gospel tracts keep people out of Hell, order your box right now!
In eternity, you’re down in Hell with the Devil and his angels after you were given several chances throughout your life to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior. You think you’re going to get along with the devil and his angels down there?? You think you’ll have something in common with them?? They were damned since the book of Genesis with no plan of redemption like you had; what will they think of you whom God choose to manifest in the flesh for, paid your price for sins you committed and you refused it?? You’ll be an eternal misfit.

HORRIFIC FACT #3 – YOU’LL BE BURNING IN HELL AT LEAST 1000 YEARS BEFORE GOD JUDGES YOU

Once again, Rightly Dividing the word of truth shows up (2 Tim 2:15 KJV).  The Great White Throne Judgement does not occur until AFTER the Lord Jesus Christ 1000 year Millennial Reign on earth. Meaning that you’ll be burning in Hell for AT LEAST 1,000 years before God officially judges you face to face at the White Throne Judgement. Think about a lost sinner going to Hell at the age of 17, 27, 37, 49, 62, 99, or 100. What’s 100yrs on this earth compared to at least 1,000 years in Hell! That alone should make to want to repent and come to Christ!

HORRIFIC FACT #4 – HELL IS CURRENTLY LOCATED RIGHT BELOW YOUR FEET; IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH

As a lost sinner, do you know what will drop your soul to Hell after you die? It’s called gravity. Your sins have a weight to it (Heb 12:1 KJV). Your sins burden you down. When you breathe your last breath, that weight of sin is manifested upon your soul (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV) and your soul plunges down into Hell. You see, death for the lost is not like what the world’s movies show you on television. There are no demons that come up and have to fight with your soul to take you to Hell, it’s not like that. When a lost man dies, gravity continues to do what is always does. There is nothing inside that lost man to bring it up, he’s dead in trespasses and sins. The saved man however DOES have something inside him to bring him up to Heaven!

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Romans 8:9-11 (KJV)

HORRIFIC FACT #5 – NO SUCH THING AS ANNIHILATION

Contrary to what science, religion, or worldly education has taught you, there is no “nothingness” after death. There is also no such thing as “nothingness” in Hell. Don’t believe the religious heresies that come from Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh day Adventist that teaches you there is no literal fire in Hell and no eternal torment. They are both VERY REAL:

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”  Mark 9:43-44 (KJV)

“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” Luke 16:22-24 (KJV)

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12 (KJV)

“Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop thy word toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field; And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein. And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched. Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?” Ezekiel 20:45-49 (KJV)

Don’t believe the lie when they say the rich man in Hell was a parable. The Lord Jesus Christ never referred to that as a parable. In Hell you will burn. You will burn good and you will burn forever!

HORRIFIC FACT #6 – GOD SPECIFICALLY RESERVES THE GREATER DAMNATION IN HELL FOR FALSE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS

“But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.” Matthew 23:13-14 (KJV)

The greater damnation in Hell doesn’t go to the murderers, pedophiles, sadist, homosexuals, no. God specifically reserves the greater damnation to the unsaved false teachers and preachers. What exactly that is I don’t know, but it’s a greater damnation then just burning in Hell. That is precisely why having the right doctrine is CRITICALLY important. People ask me all the time why the Pre-Time of Jacob’s Trouble catching away vs the Post-trib rapture is such a big deal. It’s a big deal because the Post-trib doctrine teaches that the sinner must “endure to the end” to be saved. This consist of not worshipping the beast or his image, nor getting his name, number, or mark in your forehead or hand.

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Beware Of The Rising Cult Of End Times Churchianity
If a sinner trust that as the “plan of salvation” for today, he’ll bust Hell wide open when dies. WORST YET, if he teaches or preaches that as the plan of salvation to others, he shall receive the Greater Damnation in Hell. The same goes with other false doctrines such as baptismal regeneration, sacraments, commandment keeping for salvation, etc. When it comes to false doctrine, God has ZERO tolerance:

“Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:7-9 (KJV)

“Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.” Matthew 16:6-12 (KJV)

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” John 7:16,17 (KJV)

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17,18 (KJV)

“That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;” Ephesians 4:14 (KJV)

In the end, it all comes down to this. In our dispensation of the Church Age, God has ordained the word to go out by good, old-fashioned, Bible preaching. It’s not about “7 Steps To A Better Marriage”, or “The 12 Traits Of Successful People”. It’s about JESUS CHRIST, and Him lifted up to draw all men unto Him.

“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:2-4 (KJV)


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on November 26, 2015, 10:13:10 pm
‘Too Much God Talk’: Rob Bell’s ‘Progressive’ Successor Steps Down from Leading Mars Hill

Kent Dobson, who took over the leadership role at Mars Hill in 2012 after controversial author and speaker Rob Bell left the congregation he founded, has now also decided to step down, stating that “being a pastor is not who I am.”

“My place here has not felt right, like I was wearing someone else’s suit that didn’t quite fit and I tried to get it tailored and maybe I had shoulder pads from the 90’s or something. I don’t know,” he told the congregation on Sunday. “It just felt like it didn’t quite fit me so well.”

Dobson said that he feels restless and uncomfortable around “too much God talk.”

“I’ve felt restless, but I’ve always felt restless and a bit homeless when it comes to church and when it comes to God talk,” he explained. “When I hear too much God talk, I start to feel like (shudders) [it’s] too much religion. I don’t know; it gives me a restless feeling. A lot of times I feel like an outsider at my own party.”

“I have always been and I’m still drawn to the very edges of religion and faith and God,” Dobson continued. “I’ve said a few times that I don’t even know if we know what we mean by God anymore. That’s the edges of faith. That’s the thing that pulls me. I’m not really drawn to the center. I’m not drawn to the orthodox or the mainstream or the status quo.”

Dobson, the son of Ed Dobson, who formerly pastored Calvary Church in Grand Rapids, said that while Mars Hill is not “in alignment with [his] own passions,” he is not leaving the congregation because he doesn’t think it isn’t “progressive enough” on the issue of homosexuality. Dobson’s brother Daniel identifies as homosexual.

“It is true that my views are progressive, … but I’ve never felt that Mars Hill needed to think like me,” he stated. “I never felt like Mars Hill, like other kinds of churches, that I needed to come down the mountain like Moses and draw a line in the sand and say everybody’s gotta be like me or they can hit the road. … I am open and affirming but I always have been.”

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Dobson said that he is not sure what is next, but that he will be transitioning out over the next few months.

“Mars Hill is going to have to find some new teaching voices. It’s just time,” he stated. “I feel called to a greater mystery that I do not know, that I do not understand.”

Rob Bell, who founded Mars Hill in 1999, left the congregation in 2011 shortly after releasing his book “Love Wins,” which was criticized by many for its teachings that claimed the majority of Christian doctrine on Hell is “misguided and toxic.” However, he asserted that his departure had nothing to do with controversy over the book.

Dobson is formerly a teacher at NorthPointe Christian School, and has appeared on broadcasts for the History Channel and Discovery Channel. His 30-minute announcement to Mars Hill may be viewed here.

- See more at: http://christiannews.net/2015/11/25/too-much-god-talk-rob-bells-progressive-successor-steps-down-from-leading-mars-hill/#sthash.RkbJTKYM.dpuf


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 19, 2016, 12:34:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIiiNKNaJ4


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 20, 2016, 02:26:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3kqjHZP5P0


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2016, 09:05:04 pm
Rob Bell Says He Rarely Uses Word 'Christian,' Believes Jesus Wouldn't Approve

 Author and former megachurch pastor Rob Bell said in a recent interview that he tries to avoid the word “Christian.” According to the controversial Love Wins author, Jesus would be mortified that Christianity started in his name.
 
Bell told Uproxx, "I don't actually use the word 'Christian' much, because I think Jesus would be mortified that a religion with very strong codes of in-and-out had started in his name.”

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.


Just saying, Rob is still Satans pastor and proved it here.
 
He continued, "I don't have a problem with the word 'Christian,' I just don't think it's the point, and I actually think, oftentimes, it gets in the way. Especially in the word 'Christianity,' which implies some big sort of cumbersome system, when at the heart is a Christ who invites us to live in the world in a particular way."
 
Bell also said that religion is used by some people to “bolster” their egos.
 
"I met so many people who would never call themselves a Christian who were so Jesus-y, and I met so many people who were loud and outspoken about how they were Christians who didn't seem like they were Jesus-like at all," Bell said.
 
"I don't find the categories helpful at all. I think what Jesus is doing is calling us beyond form. To not clutch and cling to some of these forms, but to let go of them."

The Christian Post reports Bell founded Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, but resigned in 2011 after Love Wins received criticism for questioning the existence of hell and Jesus Christ being the only way to salvation.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/rob-bell-says-he-rarely-uses-word-christian-believes-jesus-wouldn-t-approve.html


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 24, 2016, 01:15:47 am
I don't mean to sound sarcastic here or anything - but at least he's honest. On the contrary, you have these "professing" false convert Christians from these IFB churches that are deceived into thinking they are true Christians.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on May 24, 2016, 02:13:05 am
I don't mean to sound sarcastic here or anything - but at least he's honest. On the contrary, you have these "professing" false convert Christians from these IFB churches that are deceived into thinking they are true Christians.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Mark on June 26, 2016, 08:30:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyw8v_YUhD8


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 26, 2016, 09:10:09 pm
I saw this sermon earlier today - yes, sadly, it's rare you hear about hellfire and brimstone anymore. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I went to a church building, and the pastor ignored preaching about this, but also ignored holiness.

It's not only the NIV crowd, but sadly this cancer has all but infected the IFB churches as well.


Title: Sermon on Hell - James W. Knox at the Orlando Rescue Mission - 09/15/2012
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 30, 2016, 04:58:45 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43vM0U2tk7s


Title: The 6 Abodes of Satan 31 July 2016 Pastor Reg Kelly
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 03, 2016, 08:35:17 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j548D-HP7xE


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 12, 2016, 01:55:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8lweB2F23Q


Title: Pastor James W. Knox --There is a Hell
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 30, 2016, 05:57:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSdDdd2Bms


Title: Pastor James Knox -- Heaven And Hell Part 3 - Mark 8;34
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 31, 2016, 12:14:35 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKisr9loOso


Title: Pastor James Knox -- Heaven And Hell Part 4 - 1 Cor 15;36
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 31, 2016, 04:12:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JovhJb8zWzk


Title: Pastor James Knox -- Heaven And Hell Part 5 - John 10;28
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 31, 2016, 06:33:49 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7A2YLSnubM


Title: Pastor James Knox -- Heaven And Hell Part 11 -- Luke 2;10 14
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 02, 2016, 04:24:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7MHcFZfg68


Title: God is Very Angry at the Sins of Children - Puritan Jonathan Edwards
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 17, 2016, 03:06:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx68tJkJTbc


Title: The Deity of Christ - James Knox
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 31, 2016, 03:47:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMOSzfbIbLI


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 02, 2017, 05:51:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I-O8KvtwJs


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 30, 2017, 06:51:15 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guE4GYAV7hc


Title: A Few Sighs from Hell - John Bunyan Sermon
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 28, 2017, 05:50:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIZ0a4f9Ptg


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 27, 2017, 02:39:43 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHAaUB7pfbQ


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 15, 2017, 12:53:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFqE4KomJI


Title: They glory in their OWN shame!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 20, 2017, 08:38:01 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek7IpySr8UI


Title: Men Change Principles for Lust - Jonathan Edwards Sermon
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 26, 2017, 12:28:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojwOUvUcnN4&t=0s


Title: Re: Rob Bell Satans Pastor
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 27, 2017, 06:12:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJC-5-BSr4


Title: "Hell" (Excerpt) - Oliver B Greene (12-31-1974)
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 09, 2017, 09:44:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2o1wdzJTrM