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Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Aussie Micha on August 01, 2013, 06:45:10 pm
Also the nine months thing got my interest because it lines up with the first Bloodmoon of the tetrad.

More info-
http://www.bloodmoonprophecy.com/?gclid=CLCYj-O23bgCFchcpgod4DEA6A


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Christian40 on August 02, 2013, 02:18:15 am
Thanks,

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   What is the Blood Moon Prophecy?

Throughout history, many civilizations have searched the heavens to see if there is a connection between celestial patterns and events here on earth.  Thanks to modern technology, we are now not only able to chart past changes to the stars, sun, and moon, but we know when these future changes will take place as well.

Modern science has focused much of its efforts on looking for mathematical patterns utilizing our modern Gregorian calendar system, but when historians, astronomers, and theologians looked for patterns utilizing the ancient Biblical calendar with key prophetic dates such as Passover, everything changed.

Now, an unprecedented pattern has been discovered. For millennia, a rare celestial event known as the “Blood Moon Tetrad” has coincided with periods of monumental change affecting the Holy Land and ultimately the world. Today, after hundreds of years of absence, this rare celestial event has begun occurring once again.

The next Blood Moon Tetrad sequence is coming soon and If this pattern continues as history has shown - a major prophetic event regarding Israel is on the horizon. 

Time is running out! Are you ready for the next event on God's timetable?

For an in-depth report on the history of the Blood Moon Tetrad, its connection to the Biblical Feasts of the Lord, and it's possible prophetic impact in our near future, be sure to subscribe above for access to our special Signs Of The Blood Moon report.  Leading prophetic news source ProphecyNewsWatch.com will keep you up to date with any new developments or discoveries in this field as well as additional prophetic trends to be watching for in the days ahead.

“And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.” Joel 2:30-31

http://www.bloodmoonprophecy.com/?gclid=CLCYj-O23bgCFchcpgod4DEA6A


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on August 02, 2013, 04:13:56 am
This whole blood moon thing is bogus! It's new age mumbo jumbo, trying to tie in star gazing into prophecy. There is zero connection between lunar eclipses and this "blood moon" junk.

Don't make the mistake of being impatient and getting caught up in looking for signs and wonders, because the enemy will give you plenty to distract you every time.

Jesus already covered this...

38  Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.
42  The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.
Matthew 12:38-42 (KJB)


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 02, 2013, 10:19:21 am
Yes, I realize he isn't the AC, but it's interesting how close we are in the timeline of things to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5nZYjJQ-1S0#at=210

Just saw this - not saying it means they're going to hammer out a peace treaty soon or anything, but nonetheless just looking at their body language and the tones of their voices, they all seem to be very serious for the first time in a long time. Again, no, not saying this will be the Daniel 9:27 treaty, nor a peace treaty of some sort, but nonetheless they seem pretty serious.

This whole blood moon thing is bogus! It's new age mumbo jumbo, trying to tie in star gazing into prophecy. There is zero connection between lunar eclipses and this "blood moon" junk.

Don't make the mistake of being impatient and getting caught up in looking for signs and wonders, because the enemy will give you plenty to distract you every time.

Jesus already covered this...

38  Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.
42  The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.
Matthew 12:38-42 (KJB)


Thank you for posting this - I'll admit, my own weak flesh gets very excited when I hear these blood moon theories. Yeah, witchcraft is a work of the flesh as Paul says in Galatians 5:19-21.


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Aussie Micha on August 02, 2013, 11:22:43 pm
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This whole blood moon thing is bogus! It's new age mumbo jumbo, trying to tie in star gazing into prophecy. There is zero connection between lunar eclipses and this "blood moon" junk.

Don't make the mistake of being impatient and getting caught up in looking for signs and wonders, because the enemy will give you plenty to distract you every time.

Jesus already covered this...

38  Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.
42  The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.
Matthew 12:38-42 (KJB)



I'm keeping an opened mind about the matter as Jesus also said-


Luke 21:25

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;


Joel 2:31 
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Christian40 on August 03, 2013, 02:21:31 am

I'm keeping an opened mind about the matter as Jesus also said-

Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Joel 2:31 
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Yeah i'm keeping an open mind too, Jesus thought it important enough to tell us about it and the moon and sun are for times and seasons, that is how the calendar runs.


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on August 03, 2013, 03:43:44 am
Don't worry about an open mind where your subject to every wind of doctrine, just believe and watch!

There's also a verse after verse 25...

"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken." Luke 21:26 (KJB)


Title: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 03, 2013, 07:56:54 am
Well, this one is a definite obvious sign...

Luke 17:28  Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29  But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30  Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed
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We're seeing sodomy really in full swing now in this country, and the West...


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on September 03, 2013, 06:31:53 am
The Blood Red Moons Of 2014 And 2015: An Omen Of War For Israel?

Is Israel going to be involved in a war during the blood red moons of 2014 and 2015?  According to ancient Jewish tradition, a lunar eclipse is a harbinger of bad things for Israel.  If that eclipse is blood red, that is a sign that war is coming.  And blood red moons that happen during Biblical festivals seem to be particularly significant.  There was a “tetrad” of blood red moons that fell during Passover 1967, the Feast of Tabernacles 1967, Passover 1968 and the Feast of Tabernacles 1968.  And of course the 1967 war during which Israel took full control of Jerusalem took place during that time period.  There was also a “tetrad” of blood red moons that fell during Passover 1949, the Feast of Tabernacles 1949, Passover 1950 and the Feast of Tabernacles 1950.  If you know your history, you already are aware that the Israeli War of Independence ended on July 20th, 1949.  So does the blood red moon tetrad of 2014 and 2015 signal that another season of war is now upon us?
 
The upcoming blood red moon tetrad was discovered by Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries.  He found that this is a very rare event that has only happened seven times since the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.  This upcoming blood red moon tetrad will be the eighth occurrence.  The following is a chart of the upcoming tetrad that Pastor Biltz created…

(http://thetruthwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Blood-Red-Moon-Chart-450x290.png)

For a more extensive explanation of the blood red moon tetrad phenomenon, please see the video posted below where Pastor Biltz discusses it in more detail…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi78PmRX46Y&feature=player_embedded

But what Pastor Biltz does not mention is that blood red moons are considered to be an omen of war for Israel according to ancient Jewish tradition.
 
This ancient tradition is even recorded in the Jewish Talmud.  The following is from an article by Alf and Julie Saunders…
 

The Jewish Talmud (book of tradition / Interpretation) says; “When the moon is in eclipse, it is a bad omen for Israel. If its face is as red as blood, (it is a sign that) the sword is coming to the world.” Therefore: Lunar Eclipse = bad omen for the Jewish people and Israel; Blood Moon = sword coming; Solar Eclipse = bad omen for the world.
 
Of course the Jewish Talmud is most definitely NOT scripture, but it is very interesting to note that Jews have considered blood red moons to be a sign that “the sword is coming to the world” for a very, very long time.
 
And it is also important to note that all of the blood red moon tetrads over the past 2000 years have fallen during very important time periods when blood was shed.
 
For example, there was a blood red moon tetrad during the 32 AD/33 AD time period.  Many believe that this is the time period when the crucifixion of Jesus took place.  The following is another chart from Pastor Biltz…

(http://thetruthwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Crucifixion-And-Blood-Red-Moons-450x126.png)

And this pattern holds up during other red moon tetrads as well.
 
The following is an excerpt from an article by Alf and Julie Saunders…
 

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in 162 – 163 AD, coinciding with the worst persecution of Jews… and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Within 3 years the Antonine Plague killed eight million people, a third of the population.
 
Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 795 – 796 AD while King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire established a DMZ buffer zone between France and Spain, ending centuries of Arab invasions into Western Europe.
 
Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 842 – 843 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Vatican church in Rome was attacked and looted by an Islamic invasion from Africa.
 
Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 860 – 861 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Byzantine Empire defeated Arab armies at the Battle of Lalakaon in Turkey and permanently stopped the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe.
 
Pretty compelling, eh?
 
Prior to the last century, the last red moon tetrad happened during 1493 and 1494…
 

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets Holidays in 1493 – 1494. Only months after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain ordered all Jewish people to leave the country (after about 200 AD, Spain became and remained a second Jewish homeland for well over a millennia. So deeply woven into the fabric of Spain are the Jews that neither history can be fully studied without considering the influence of the other).
 
The chart below summarizes much of what was discussed above.  Could we see a major war involving Israel during this next tetrad?…

(http://thetruthwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/156461_10151435487051004_1572356439_n-450x662.jpg)

We certainly seem to be entering a season of war.  The Obama administration seems absolutely determined to attack Syria, and U.S. forces are rapidly moving into position.
 
But if the U.S. attacks Syria, there is a very good chance that Syria will attack Israel.  In fact, Syria has already released a list of potential targets that it may strike inside Israel.
 
If Syria does send missiles raining down on Israel, we will undoubtedly see Israel strike back.
 
And then we will have a full-blown war in the Middle East on our hands.
 
The Scriptures tell us to pray for the peace of Israel and for the peace of Jerusalem, and that is what we should do.
 
Let us hope that cooler heads will prevail.
 
But right now it appears that the world is steamrolling toward war, and the upcoming blood red moons are certainly a very troubling omen.
 
Let us hope for the best, but let us also prepare for the worst.
 
It is also interesting to note that there will also be another blood red moon tetrad in 2032/2033.
 
Could those dates be significant as well?
 
Or is all of this blood red moon stuff just a bunch of mumbo jumbo?
 
Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…
 
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/the-blood-red-moons-of-2014-and-2015-an-omen-of-war-for-israel


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2013, 11:23:38 am
It's NASA who predicts these red moon dates in advance, right?

How are they able to do so? ???


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on September 03, 2013, 04:45:52 pm
Don't need NASA to "predict" these astrological events. All you need is known planets circling the earth in relation to the sun and moon. It's a mathematical formula, based on the time it takes the earth to circle the sun, about 365.5 days.

Same thing as knowing what day of the week a set date will be years in the future. It's not a prediction, but rather a calculated known event.



Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 04, 2013, 10:22:26 am
Don't need NASA to "predict" these astrological events. All you need is known planets circling the earth in relation to the sun and moon. It's a mathematical formula, based on the time it takes the earth to circle the sun, about 365.5 days.

Same thing as knowing what day of the week a set date will be years in the future. It's not a prediction, but rather a calculated known event.



Thank you for the info! FWIW, NASA's been wrong on their astrological events "predictions" before - for example, they predicted a "pole shift" in 12/2012(around the same time as that Mayan "prophecy", that is). Well, this "pole shift" didn't exactly happen either. But even despite this, I noticed various end times prophecy blogs were reporting their "pole shift" prediction like it was fact back in 2008(like it would be the 6th seal).


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Aussie Micha on October 11, 2013, 07:29:24 am
Thanks! That was very interesting!!!


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on December 04, 2013, 04:13:53 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RpXXEea0Q


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 04, 2013, 10:21:26 am
Thank you for posting this video, this really, really explained a lot! :)

Yeah, one big problem with these prophecy "teachers" is that they just look at ONLY SOME of the scripture, and NOT ALL of it, and then from there end up trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. But ultimately, the fault is on us(INCLUDING MYSELF) b/c in our impatience wanting to know more and more details, we end up giving in to our itching ears. Again, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but I myself has done this many, many times. It's also not a good Christian witness to others - with my experiences, every time I would show this kind of stuff to others, and nothing comes to pass, then all it would do is mitigate the credibility of the bible in the eyes of others.(ie-part of the reason why there's so many scoffers nowdays is b/c of people like Harold Camping et al "predicting" rapture dates that never came to pass)

But yeah - Biltz and Hagee forgot about these parts, 1) Stars falling from heaven(which NEVER happened with these events), 2) UNIVERSAL darkness(again, NEVER happened with these events), and 3) Some of the blood moon events happened MONTHS AFTER these events in Israel.

And BTW - Biltz and Hagee should be focusing their attention on all of the Apostasy going on in our present day - 501c3 since the 50's? The NIV bible(and worse versions subsequently) thrown into the market since 1978? Ronald Reagan re-establishing ties with the Vatican in the 80's? The whole Emergent Church movement since the turn of the century? Very few taking a stand for the KJB nowdays? CCM and "Christian" Rock becoming the "new norm" in modern-day churches? Or how about the world coming against Israel now, including our current President(forgot the blood moons nonsense)?

Yeah - these are more than enough reasons right there why the "leading" nation of this world(America) is toast.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on December 04, 2013, 12:14:12 pm
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Biltz and Hagee should be focusing their attention on all of the Apostasy going on in our present day

They SHOULD, but they won't, because that would mean they would have to look at themselves in a mirror and confess their fraud before men!


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on December 04, 2013, 12:18:28 pm
Hagee is a proven LIAR from his last book.

http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,1371.0.html



Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 04, 2013, 12:21:42 pm
They SHOULD, but they won't, because that would mean they would have to look at themselves in a mirror and confess their fraud before men!

That's a GOOD one! :) Yeah, they have a beam in their own eyes!


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Christian40 on December 05, 2013, 11:21:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RpXXEea0Q

That was an excellent video! For a couple of years i have heard from Biltz (who was on prophecy in the news) talk about this and then i sort of thought that there could be something to this and then this video showed me the flaws and explanation from the Bible, Wow, well i know Hagee is a false teacher,  i wonder what Biltz is going to say now that people have woken up to his "amazing discovery" ? he must be embarressed if he has seen this video.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 06, 2013, 10:28:16 am
That was an excellent video! For a couple of years i have heard from Biltz (who was on prophecy in the news) talk about this and then i sort of thought that there could be something to this and then this video showed me the flaws and explanation from the Bible, Wow, well i know Hagee is a false teacher,  i wonder what Biltz is going to say now that people have woken up to his "amazing discovery" ? he must be embarressed if he has seen this video.

FYI, Biltz is also in the Hebrew Roots Movement.

Like I was saying above, I myself take more of the blame b/c instead of trying these people using scripture and exposing them, I ended up falling for everything they say hook, line, and sinker.

It's a lot like why these church buildings are thriving financially - it's b/c the pews(including myself for many years) think they will thrive if they give their 10% or more "tithe" and be good, obedient members. As a result, it's these pastors that end up thriving b/c the pews end up throwing their hard earned money at them.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on December 27, 2013, 02:01:32 pm
Significant Signs in the Heavens?
Download MP3
http://acbee66e2a535ed5eef6-a57713667b73bca827b7322695933868.r20.cf2.rackcdn.com/OTM2013_12_21.mp3
 
Jan talks to Pastor Mark Biltz asking him if the 2014-2015 blood moons are a significant sign in the Heavens? The Bible asks us to watch for signs in the Heavens. Observing these forthcoming blood moons is not an exercise in date-setting for end-time events. In the past, the blood moon tetrads (four in a row) took place within date patterns that dramatically affected Israel and then the world. Biltz has never suggested that the Rapture or any other end-time event will fit into this pattern as some accuse. He found the information on the NASA Web site and is reporting on how it has played out in history and how it could play out in the future. Jan also talks about two Hollywood films that were made to mock and scoff Jesus' return, a definite sign of the time. We use the mobile app found at www.oneplace.com.

a little bit better understanding of this after listening. He isnt saying something happens at every single one of these, just that past events have happened.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on December 27, 2013, 03:38:06 pm
Yeah, these folks need to tread lightly. I think this stuff borders on mystical old age celestial traditions of looking to the stars for answers about the future. Pagan religions have been doing that for ages. I think it's sufficient that Jesus says there will be signs in the heavens at some point, but the details? Not so important really I think. Those "events" are for the unbelieving anyway, designed to either convict them of the truth, or motivate them to repent.

Curious, but that's it, in my opinion.  ;)


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on December 27, 2013, 03:46:45 pm
maybe... but


Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

they are there for a reason...


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on December 27, 2013, 04:10:27 pm
ergo I said...

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I think it's sufficient that Jesus says there will be signs in the heavens at some point

But consider that the unbelieving don't understand not having the Spirit for discernment of the times and signs, right? We, having the Spirit, we know what they mean, just like a farmer knows by looking at his crops, knows when it's getting to be harvest time. The signs will be there, and are there, for those who can see them for what they are.

"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:37 (KJB)


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: FervorForFaith on December 27, 2013, 07:47:40 pm
That was an excellent video! For a couple of years i have heard from Biltz (who was on prophecy in the news) talk about this and then i sort of thought that there could be something to this and then this video showed me the flaws and explanation from the Bible, Wow, well i know Hagee is a false teacher,  i wonder what Biltz is going to say now that people have woken up to his "amazing discovery" ? he must be embarressed if he has seen this video.

Yeah, I think Chris White did an awesome job on that one. He's got some stuff I dislike, but ultimately I think he does a good job with his videos and I find myself agreeing with him more often than not (though I wish he would just stick to KJV only: that's a crucial issue that would solve most if not all of my problems with him)

On this Blood Moon theory, I'd say that it's bogus, and the fact that John Hagee put his name on it makes me that much more sure.

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The Bible asks us to watch for signs in the Heavens.

Yes, there will be signs in the heavens... during and after the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:29-30)

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (Mark 13:24-26)

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21:25-27)


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on February 19, 2014, 09:03:19 am
The Four Blood Moon Speculation


John Hagee’s 2013 book Four Blood Moons is a mixture of Bible truth and vain speculation. The thesis is that an upcoming series of rare lunar and solar eclipses that align with Jewish feast days signifies an upcoming prophetic event of great importance. The subtitle to Hagee’s book is “Something is about to change.”

This type of thing sells a lot of books in an age of shallow “evangelical” Christianity and in a time when people’s ears perennially itch for something new.

Observe the following dramatic statements from Hagee’s book:

“The history of THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO CHANGE FOREVER, and God is sending us messages on His high-definition billboard by speaking to us in the heavens— using the Four Blood Moons; the question is  .  .  .   are we listening?” (Four Blood Moons, Kindle Locations 326-328).

“Keep reading, because THIS MESSAGE FROM GOD IS SO URGENT to Him that He sovereignly arranged the sun and the moon to perfectly align themselves to create a Tetrad— four consecutive blood moons. He didn’t do this just one time— but Tetrads linked to Jewish history have happened only three times in more than five hundred years. And it’s about to happen again” (Four Blood Moons, Kindle Locations 498-501).

“The fourth series of Four Blood Moons is coming! They are extremely rare even by scientific standards. GOD IS SHOUTING TO US, ‘SOMETHING BIG IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!’ ... What they are telling us is that God is getting ready to change the course of human history once again. He is preparing to display the next series of signs in the heavens” (Four Blood Moons, Kindle Locations 2568-2572).

“The coming Four Blood Moons are almost here  .  .  .   ARE YOU READY?” (Four Blood Moons, p. 244).

Hagee’s position is based on the following erroneous premises:

1. Hagee claims that a red-tinted lunar eclipse is the same thing as the Bible’s prophecies of the moon turning to blood and the sun turning black.


Hagee says that these prophecies refer to a tetrad. This is a series of four consecutive lunar eclipses, which make the moon appear to have a red tint, with a total solar eclipse occurring somewhere within that sequence, thus the “blood moon” and “black sun.” Hagee claims that tetrads that coincide with Israel’s feast days (e.g., passover and feast of tabernacles) fulfill Bible prophecy.

This is the fundamental error of the theory. This premise being wrong, the entire thing falls apart and collapses.

Consider the following Bible prophecies:

“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come” (Joe 2:30-31 and Acts 2:19-20).

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken” (Mat. 24:29).

“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken” (Lk. 21:25-26).

“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind” (Rev. 6:12-13).

These prophecies have nothing to do with lunar or solar eclipses. They describe breathtaking signs in the heavens that cannot be missed and cannot be attributed to a natural event. They are signs that will cause men’s hearts to fail for fear. No one will need a book on prophecy to know that something earth shaking is happening. These prophetic signs will occur during the Tribulation, during Daniel’s 70th Week as described in Revelation 6-18. They will not occur in the church age prior to the Rapture of New Testament saints.

2. Hagee claims that since three previous tetrads over the past 500 years that fell on Israel’s feast days have witnessed dramatic events, the next tetrad in 2014-15 will also witness a dramatic event.

In 1493-94 a tetrad was accompanied by the expulsion of Jews from Spain. The tetrad of 1949-50 witnessed the establishment of the modern state of Israel and the winning of her War of Independence. The tetrad of 1967-68 witnessed Israel’s winning of the Six Day War and the recovery of Old Jerusalem.

It is important to observe that these “tetrads” didn’t fall exactly on the historical events emphasized by Hagee. As usual, the prophecy speculator stretches the connections and associations between alleged signs and the events. The expulsion of Jews from Spain was in 1492 rather than 1493-94; the War of Independence was won in 1949, whereas the tetrad wasn’t completed until 1950; and the Six Day War was over in 1967, whereas the tetrad wasn’t complete until 1968.

Be that as it will, the next tetrad that falls on Israel’s feast days is April 15, 2014, October 8, 2014, April 4, 2015, and September 28, 2015.

This is all very interesting, but there is zero evidence that any of these tetrads were actual signs from God.

After all of Hagee’s attempts to prove that the tetrads were supernatural signs, he is left with nothing but speculation. And speculation has no authority.

3. God will give the present world a heavenly sign to that “it has taken a wrong turn.”

“The world has taken a wrong turn and we need a sign from God to get back on the right track— the Four Blood Moons just may be that signal! If God gave Joshua and Hezekiah a sign in the heavens and if He posted a sign in the heavens to direct the wise men to the birthplace of our Redeemer, then why wouldn’t He continue to speak to us through signs? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and He has declared that He will give the terminal generation a signal that something big— something earthshaking— is going to happen” (Hagee, Four Blood Moons, Kindle Location 1871).

There is no biblical evidence for this. The signs of the end times are everywhere present for anyone who will turn his attention to God’s holy Word. Men have no excuse. There is the sign of apostasy in the churches, the sign of ecumenical unity toward the building of a one-world “church” (Hagee himself is guilty of promoting this), the sign of globalism, the sign of the explosion of homosexuality, the sign of the knowledge explosion, the sign of men running to and fro, and others. These are clear Bible signs laid out in prophecy rightly interpreted. (See the free eBook Bible Prophecies Fulfilled Today, available from www.wayoflife.org.)

There is no need for God to give a sign in the heavens prior to the Rapture, and there is no biblical evidence that He will do so.

CONCLUSION: HAGEE’S UNSOUND SOURCE

Hagee got this theory from a disreputable source. It is a product of his illicit and unwise yoking together with unregenerate Jews and the bogus “Hebrew Roots” movement. He has done this through Christians United for Israel, an organization he founded in 2006.

“Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Cor. 15:33).

Hagee disavows attempts to convert Jews. He says, “The first rule adopted by Christians United for Israel was that there would be no proselytizing at our events. CUFI exists only to honor and support the Jewish people, never to convert them” (Hagee, “Why Christian Zionists Really Support Israel,” May 13, 2010).

This was not the objective that the apostle Paul had. He was not afraid of condemning Israel for her stiff-necked rebellion against God and her rejection of the Messiah, and he certainly did not draw back from trying to convert his fellow Jews to Jesus as the Christ.

“... Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles” (Acts 18:5-6).

To bless Israel does not mean to ignore the fact that she is back in land in the spiritually-dead condition described in Ezekiel 37. It does not mean to ignore her sin and her need of salvation. Indeed, the best way to bless Israel is to preach to her the blessed Gospel.

Paul visited synagogues and preached Christ to Jews, but he did not yoke together with the Pharisees and Christ-rejectors in any sort of ministry, including a ministry of blessing Israel. Instead, he taught the churches to practice the following rule:

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Corinthians 6:14).

Hagee begins Four Blood Moons by admitting that he first heard of the theory on a visit in 2012 to a church in northwestern Washington state pastored by Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries. The meeting was sponsored by Christians United for Israel. Speakers included Daniel Lapin, a politically conservative but unsaved Jewish rabbi who rejects Jesus as the Messiah. During this meeting, Biltz asked Hagee if he had ever studied the sun, moon, and stars as a source of prophetic revelation, and when he got back home to Texas he researched the issue and became a convert to Biltz’s position.

Biltz publishes a series of DVDs entitled Blood Moons. The first in the series is “Linking the Eclipses to the Coming of Messiah.” It is dated 2006. Biltz’s upcoming book is Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs. You can even purchase his “official Blood Moon Eclipse Calendar.”

Biltz is not a man a Bible believer should follow. He teaches that Christians should follow the law of Moses. Following is from his web page:

“El Shaddai Ministries is a Resource and Teaching Ministry. We do not want to convert Jews to Christianity or Christians to Judaism. The Scriptures say: The LORD will magnify the Torah and make it honorable. And those that love Torah will have great peace (Is 42:21/Ps 119:65). Yeshua loved Torah and loving what He loved will bring true Peace!”

Biltz teaches that every Sunday-worshiping church is a “foolish virgin” of Matthew 25 (“The Hebrew Roots Cult Movement Part 2, http://www.nowtheendbegins.com).

Biltz sells the following book in his online bookstore -- Restoration: Returning the Torah of God to the Disciples of Jesus by Thomas Lancaster. This book claims that Jesus’ disciples “revered the Torah as the core of her scriptures” and urges Christians to learn “the profound beauty of Torah life, the celebration of the biblical Sabbath, and the application of God’s holy feast days.”

This is the spirit of Judaism that caused so much trouble in the early churches and that was the reason for the apostolic conference in Jerusalem in Acts 15. That conference concluded under divine direction that New Testament believers are not obligated to keep the law of Moses. James called it “a yoke ... which neither our fathers or we were able to bear” (Acts 15:10).

James summed up the apostles’ position as follows:

“Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood” (Acts 15:19-20).

Paul expanded this position in his epistles in words that cannot be misunderstood unless one is committed to heresy:

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (Gal. 3:24-25).

Here the Bible says that the work of the law of Moses is finished when it brings the sinner to Christ. After that “we are not longer under a schoolmaster.” The New Testament believer learns from the law of Moses, as he does from all of the Old Testament (Romans 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:11), but the believer has a higher law.

The believer’s law is the law of the Spirit (Rom. 8:2), because the indwelling Holy Spirit leads and empowers us to obey God. He produces the righteousness of God in us. As we submit to the Spirit and follow the Spirit, God fulfills His law in us.

The believer’s law is the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2), because we are predestinated to be conformed to His image (Rom. 8:29). We see Christ in the Scriptures and are changed into His image by the power of the indwelling Spirit (2 Cor. 3:17-18). This is what the Bible means when it says that we are to put on the new man (Eph. 4:24). The new man is Christ.

The believer’s law is the law of liberty (Jam. 1:25), not because we are free to do as we please but because our condemnation fell upon Christ and we are free to serve God without the fear of eternal condemnation. It is a like a woman who is a slave to a cruel master and serves him out of fear, but she is purchased from slavery by a man who loves her and makes her his wife. Now she works hard to serve her husband, perhaps even working harder than she did before, but her service now is out of love and without fear. The law of liberty is like a man who is drowning, and he is rescued by the kind captain of a ship. Once safe aboard, the man signs on to the ship’s crew and serves the captain out of a sense of gratitude, and if he is faulty in his duty, he is disciplined, but he is not cast back into the sea. The law of liberty is like an delinquent orphan who is adopted by a kind father. Now he is a son in the man’s family and he serves the father in his business, and if he is neglectful he is disciplined, but he is not cast out of the family.

Paul taught further,

2 Corinthians 3:6-18 “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of THAT WHICH IS ABOLISHED: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

Here the law of Moses is called a ministration of death and condemnation, and this is because sinners cannot live up to its holy demands. Here the law of Moses is thrice said to be “done away” and “abolished” (verses 7, 11, 13). When God repeats something, it is important. We need to listen carefully. The law of Moses is done away as far as having the ultimate authority over the believer. It is holy and perfect, but it is not the believer’s law. We have a new law, a higher law. That law is Christ (verses 17-18). We look upon Him through the revelation of Scripture and are conformed to His image. It is a law of liberty (verse 17), because all of our condemnation fell upon Christ on the cross, and we are free from condemnation and eternal judgment. We are dead to the servitude of the law and married to a new Master (Romans 7:1-4).

More could be said in refutation of Hagee’s theory of the Four Blood Moons, but this should be sufficient to demonstrate that it is not Scriptural and that it has zero authority.

Friends in Christ, don’t get caught up in the frenzy of prophetic speculation. We have plenty of solid prophecy in the Scripture. There is no need for speculation and theories based on unsound premises.

Don’t follow men who have demonstrated their lack of Scriptural wisdom. The result will be confusion at best with the possibility of spiritual shipwreck.

http://www.wayoflife.org/index_files/four_blood_moon_speculation.html


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 19, 2014, 03:25:48 pm
One of the big signs that the end times is drawing high is just that...deception, deception, and deception. And we are seeing a big rise in just that, especially in recent years.

1Peter 3:1  This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Ultimately, it seems like every time these so-called "prophecies" get shouted out, the more it gets attention(including from end times watching Christians - and yes, I TOO am guilty of this!), and the more nothing happens, the more the scoffers come out of the woodwork(ie-Harold Camping, 12/21/12, etc), especially from the Apostate church.

Don't be surprised to see the rapture happening when everywhere has a very outward appearance of peacefulness and prosperousness.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Kilika on February 20, 2014, 01:57:11 am
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Don't be surprised to see the rapture happening when everywhere has a very outward appearance of peacefulness and prosperousness.

 :D That's not going to happen.

The sales pitch I believe is that "they" say everything is peaceful, while they are saying it, peace is far from reality, which the general public knows that, that it's not "peaceful" at all, and things aren't going well like some claim, and it's obvious. It's part of the illusion, but there is really no peace in the world.

I don't believe it will appear to be peaceful at all. The lie is that wicked people will be saying it's now peaceful, when it's far from it.

"For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace." Jeremiah 8:11 (KJB)


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 08, 2014, 05:52:35 am
2014 Lunar Eclipse: ‘Blood Moon’ A Sign Of Impending Apocalypse? Pastors Cite Evidence From Biblical Scripture

April 15 will mark the first of the four lunar eclipses. It is known as "Blood Moon" because the much awaited celestial event will leave the moon appearing reddish orange, something blood-like. While some believe this is an astronomical event, there are some who are associating it with "apocalypse." According to the Inquisitr, Pastors Mark Blitz and John Hagee referred to Bible scripture, indicating the appearance of blood moon during the times of apocalypse. The scripture "suggests the moon will turn to blood during the apocalypse." The "Blood Moon" lunar eclipse on April 15 will be the first of four blood red moons that are set to appear between 2014 and 2015. This astronomical event is known lunar tetrad and is very rare. According to a Web site Ecorazzi, this has occurred only three times in past 500 years.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/546538/20140404/2014-lunar-eclipse-blood-moon-apocalypse-pastors.htm#.Uz6fXvldXKc


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 08, 2014, 10:15:24 am
2014 Lunar Eclipse: ‘Blood Moon’ A Sign Of Impending Apocalypse? Pastors Cite Evidence From Biblical Scripture

April 15 will mark the first of the four lunar eclipses. It is known as "Blood Moon" because the much awaited celestial event will leave the moon appearing reddish orange, something blood-like. While some believe this is an astronomical event, there are some who are associating it with "apocalypse." According to the Inquisitr, Pastors Mark Blitz and John Hagee referred to Bible scripture, indicating the appearance of blood moon during the times of apocalypse. The scripture "suggests the moon will turn to blood during the apocalypse." The "Blood Moon" lunar eclipse on April 15 will be the first of four blood red moons that are set to appear between 2014 and 2015. This astronomical event is known lunar tetrad and is very rare. According to a Web site Ecorazzi, this has occurred only three times in past 500 years.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/546538/20140404/2014-lunar-eclipse-blood-moon-apocalypse-pastors.htm#.Uz6fXvldXKc

April 15 also happens to be the last day to file your taxes(unless you plan to file an extension, which would give you until October).

If you've filed your taxes already, just be thankful that you will end up avoiding this very hectic day at the Post Office. ;)


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 10, 2014, 11:24:21 am
Was just on the MSN.com news site - now it seems like the MSM is getting into the debate - no, they're not supporting this Blood Moons theory at all, but nonetheless they ARE getting into the (potentially non-stop)debate about it(a lot like they did with 12/21/12, Harold Camping, etc.).

Pt being that this is yet another very crafty agenda by the minions to discredit the pre-trib rapture - they did so with this Harold Camping nonsense("debating" it non-stop), and then the whole psyop that was 12/21/2012. And now looks like they're gotten into the ring with this nonsense. So ultimately, what if nothing happens after the first or 2 "blood" moons happen? More scoffers coming out of the woodwork.

2Peter 3:3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

When the rapture DOES happen - it's gonna take everyone by surprise!


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 11, 2014, 05:10:40 am
They are just waiting for it to fail so they can point to it ans say, see the Bible is wrong again.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 11, 2014, 05:36:45 am
Hagee: Blood Moons Point to 'World-Shaking Event'

Megachurch pastor John Hagee is warning his San Antonio congregation and international following of a “world-shaking event that will happen between April 2014 and October 2015.” Hagee, founder of the Cornerstone Church, points to “four blood moons,” a rare astronomical event of four consecutive and complete lunar eclipses, known as a tetrad, which begins April 15. The San Antonio pastor asserts the dates of the eclipses signify a major event that will change history in a book released in October, a series of sermons and a TV special airing on Tuesday, the first night of the tetrad.

http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Pastor-Hagee-Blood-moons-point-to-world-shaking-5391880.php?cmpid=hpts

(http://www.freesmfhosting.com/gallery/endtimesandcurrentevents/1_08_09_12_5_11_48.gif)

The first thing that says this is all bunk, Hagee

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“world-shaking event that will happen between April 2014 and October 2015.”

 :o wow, what a set time line, a year and a half



Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 11, 2014, 09:38:08 am
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“world-shaking event that will happen between April 2014 and October 2015.”

What if this "world-shaking event" turns out to be MASS DISAPPEARANCES?(*wink wink*) What will Hagee and Biltz subsequently say?


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 11, 2014, 09:45:15 am
What if this "world-shaking event" turns out to be MASS DISAPPEARANCES?(*wink wink*) What will Hagee and Biltz subsequently say?

good question. Just what will Haggee say?


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 11, 2014, 09:49:29 am
good question. Just what will Haggee say?

On a serious note - yeah, this is just my opinion, but I do think Hagee(being part of the establishment, that is) is using this to prepare everyone for this "big event". No, I'm not saying for 100% certainty that the rapture is going to happen within this very timeframe, but nonetheless it seems like this is Hagee's intent.

If I understand this correctly, the Illuminati minions prepared an "explanation" of "disappearances" for this "event" many years ago.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 21, 2014, 05:49:37 am
Why John Hagee is certainly wrong about “blood moons”

John Hagee’s Harold Camping moment has arrived, and whether or not his followers will abandon him as most did that previous false prophet, Hagee is certainly just as wrong about Bible prophecy.

I have previously written a lengthier piece on Hagee’s “four blood moons” predictions, detailing the alarming level of date-setting in which he has engaged. In short, he openly ties to this lunar “tetrad” event to biblical prophecies in which he says Russia and Iran will be wiped off the map, the battle of Ezekiel 38 will occur, and “your redemption draweth nigh.” For these reasons I concluded that Hagee has gone far beyond anything Harold Camping ever did, and ought to be treated with the same utter rejection when his predictions fail.

In mainstream news outlets, however, Hagee has kept his predictions much more general. In an older interview with Fox, and now when contacted by New York Daily News, Hagee only predicts “something big is about to happen.” This is, of course, the kind of prediction that cannot fail to be proven true. If anything big happens between now and the feast of tabernacles 2015, Hagee can point to it as proof he was right.

There may indeed be “something big” on the near horizon of foreign affairs—especially with Russian foment in Ukraine and another even bigger financial crisis looming across the West. I would be shocked if nothing “big” happened in the next 18 months, and I would be shocked if whatever happens does not involve one of the volatile nations like Russia or Iran, Syria or Egypt, and perhaps Israel as well.

But whatever happens, it will have nothing to do with biblical prophecy—not as Hagee would have the unsuspecting general public believe. As I outlined last time, the “blood moon” Bible passage on which Hagee focuses makes it impossible that any modern events could be the fulfillment.

The refutation is as simple as Hagee’s predictions are grandiose: he ignores the context. According to multiple sources, including this latest New York Daily News piece, Hagee’s foundational passage is Acts 2:19–20:

He points to Acts 2:19-20, which reads, “And I will show wonders in Heaven above and signs in the Earth beneath, the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.”

The refutation lies in the very same passage. This is from Peter’s discourse on the famous day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, tongues of fire appeared above their heads, and they spoke in multiple languages, miraculously. A large group of international visitors heard them speak in their native languages. Some of the local religious elites accused these tongue-speaking disciples of being drunk—a 9am in the morning! Peter replied to them:

But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day” (Acts 2:14–20).

Peter is quoting from Joel 2:28–31, but his application of it makes it not only clear but inescapable that the “blood moon” prophecy of Joel was being fulfilled right there in the first century. The earth-and heavens-shaking event which indicated this was the Pentecostal outpouring of the Holy Spirit and its manifestations right before their eyes.

This means the blood moon and darkened sun, and the “day of the Lord” of which Joel spoke, pertained to the first century. Indeed, it was the total devastation of the old covenant temple and the leveling of the city of Jerusalem in AD 70 which proved this once and for all.

Peter was not speaking of celestial events that would occur two thousand years from his own audience. He applied Joel 2 to his time and his audience in the first century. “This is” means “what you see here and now is what was predicted.” It does not mean “Don’t worry guys, this won’t happen for another two millennia.”

For us this means, “this already happened—two thousand years ago.” It has nothing to do, prophetically or biblically, with 2014 or 2015.

In short, Peter’s interpretation of Joel makes John Hagee’s interpretation impossible. John Hagee is certainly wrong about Acts 2:19–20.

He may not be wrong about great geopolitical events occurring in the near future, and they may even involve Israel. But they will have nothing to do with the alleged prophecy he is quoting.

- See more at: http://americanvision.org/10521/john-hagee-certainly-wrong-blood-moons/#sthash.v94izi58.hdQDmVzW.dpuf


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 21, 2014, 06:26:31 am
Blood Moon Day and We’re Still Here

The first of four Blood Moons has appeared in the sky. Millions of Christians have become fascinated with the phenomenon. Books have been written on the subject. Why all the interest and excitement? Because the lunar event is supposedly all about Bible prophecy and the end of the world or the so-called “rapture” of the church that these prophecy prognosticators claim will usher in the Second Coming of Jesus.

Megachurch pastor John Hagee is warning his San Antonio congregation and international following of a “world-shaking event that will happen between April 2014 and October 2015.”

This is the same John Hagee who “gained international attention two years ago for a series of sermons asking, ‘Could 2012 be the end of the world as we know it,’ that was broadcast to millions worldwide via his organization John Hagee Ministries and Global Evangelism Television.”

A real prophetic sign would be if the moon actually turned to blood like God turned the Nile River into blood. Now that would be a sign of things to come!

There have been blood moons before. There have been tetrads before. And it’s these past tetrads that have brought out the prophecy speculators.

Mark [Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in Puyallup, Washington] found that we have had blood-red moons on the first day of Passover and the first day of Sukkot on back-to-back years seven times since 1 A.D. Three of these occurrences were connected to 1492 (the final year of the Spanish Inquisition), 1948 (statehood for Israel and the War of Independence), and 1967 (the Six-Day War)—some of the most significant days in Jewish history. The others were in 162/163 A.D., 795/796 A.D., 842/843 A.D. and 860/861 A.D. We don’t have any historical connections for these years at this time, but we do know of significant Jewish persecution during the eighth and ninth centuries.

Actually, the tetrads appeared in 1493/1494, 1949/1950. In these two cases the blood moons appeared after the events for which they are said to have had prophetic significance. The ones in 1967/1968 appeared during the conflict that lasted just six days. “This isn’t even the first tetrad of this century (that was in 2003-2004) and including this one there will be seven more before the year 2100.”

This means, given the chronology of the appearance of past blood moons, the significant prophetic event of our most recent blood moon and the three that follow should have happened in 2013.

Notice the years of the other tetrads and this comment: “We don’t have any historical connections for these years at this time.” Why not? If blood moons are so prophetically significant, there should have been a major prophetic event in those years related to Israel. In fact, if these upcoming blood moons are indicators of a so-called “rapture,” then why weren’t they signs for it then? The same question needs to be asked of the ones in 1949/1950 since Israel had become a nation again the year before.

And if these four blood moons are so significant for Israel, then why is it that “Data published by NASA reveals that all but the last of the four eclipses will not be visible from the Middle East, and even the fourth will only be partially visible.” This makes no sense if the blood moons are for Israel.

If blood moons are so significant for Israel, then why wasn’t there a tetrad of blood moons when Israel was taken into captivity by the Babylonians in 586 BC, when the temple was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70, an event predicted by Jesus in the Bible’s Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24), or around the time of the Holocaust? These events are at least as significant as Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.

What about these blood moons coinciding with Passover (April 15, 2014 and April 4, 2015) and Sukkot or the Feast of the Tabernacles (October 8, 2014 and September 28, 2015)? James Vincent makes an important point:

This is certainly unusual but hardly surprising given that the Jewish calendar is based partly on lunar cycles: Passover is always marked by a full moon and a lunar eclipse cannot–by definition–happen at any other time apart from a full moon.

Consider what Paul writes:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ (Col. 2:16-17).

The Jewish feast days and festivals no longer have any relevance since Jesus has come. Christians are dwelling on blood moons when they should be dwelling on the “sun of righteousness” (Mal. 4:2; cf. 2 Sam 23:4; Isa 30:26; 60:1).

These so-called blood moons have never had any prophetic significance. The blood moon prophecy of Joel doesn’t say that the moon will look blood red; it states that it will turn into blood:

I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes (Joel 2:30-31; Acts 2:19-21).

Why doesn’t anyone mention anything about the sun turning into darkness and stars falling (Rev. 6:12-14) in today’s discussion about blood-red moons? It’s a package deal. If we are to interpret Joel’s prophecy and similar prophetic passages correctly, we must understand how this type of language is used elsewhere in Scripture. See passages like Isaiah 13:13, 34:4, 51:6, Ezek 32:7-8, and many more. It’s important to note that Israel is symbolized as sun, moon, and stars (Gen. 37:9-10; Matt. 24:29; Rev. 6:12-14; 12:1-2).

James Jordan gets to the heart of the meaning of the moon turning into blood passage:

The turning of the moon to “blood” points, I believe, to something particularly Jewish: the sacrificial system. If they will not accept the blood of Jesus Christ, the final Sacrifice, then they themselves will be turned into blood. They will become the sacrifices. . . . That is what the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was all about.

But Joel is issuing a warning. Those who listen can escape. “And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of Yahweh will be delivered; for ‘on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape,’ as Yahweh has said, even among the survivors whom Yahweh calls” (Joel 2:32). Just as Isaac escaped death on Mount Zion because of the substitute ram that God provided (Genesis 22:14), so those who trust in the Lamb of God will escape the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Such is Joel’s warning, reiterated by Peter on the day of Pentecost [Acts 2:19-21].”

All of this attention on a shadow is taking significance away from the “light of the world” (John 8:12). Too many people are fixed on the end of history rather than on the One who made history nearly 2,000 years ago on the cross of redemption and the empty tomb. When the dust settles, and nothing predicted happens, how many people will drift away from the faith after another prophetic false alarm? How many people will discard the Bible as a fraud because of the hype and hysteria of something that the Bible says nothing about? Is it any wonder that “there are just as many Americans skeptical of the Bible as there are engaged with the Bible”?

Decades of false predictions supposedly based on the Bible have done irreparable harm—many people end up questioning the integrity of the Bible.

- See more at: http://americanvision.org/10564/blood-moon-day-still/#sthash.F8CfgmnE.wpOKXNhp.dpuf


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 21, 2014, 11:33:46 am
FYI - the American Vision web site is a Preterist-supporting site(ie-most of the books they sell are just that) - it was 4 years ago when someone pointed me to this site to recommend books(this someone mocked the whole end times future, 7 year great tribulation prophecy).

Pt being that I think I see where this Hegelian Dialectic game is going...

Thesis - "end times watchmen" John Hagee and Mark Biltz pushing this "blood moons" theory as part of the end times scenario.

Antithesis - Preterists like Gary DeMar, this very American Vision web site, etc "exposing" this for what it is.

Compromise - when all is said and done, BOTH "opposition sides" will make everyone think the world is getting better and better, once they see everyone is depressed and worn out over nothing happening.(or on the flip side - let's say the rapture of the church happens - they're going to make everyone think this is the very "great event" they were talking about all along, and get everyone to follow the counterfeit-Christ)

First we saw Harold Camping, then 12/21/2012, and now THIS - look for more scoffers to come out of the woodwork.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on May 20, 2014, 05:53:29 am
Goodnight, Blood Moon
Fact Checking John Hagee’s Blood Moon Prophecy


wooops, ya got to hate it when someone does that...

 Prominent pastor John Hagee’s “blood moon prophecy,” the claim that eclipses track with significant events in the history of Israel, has gained coverage if not much credence in USA Today, the New York Daily News, and other outlets. There are political and religious responses that could be offered to his prophecy, but as an astronomer I had one question in mind: Do Hagee’s factual claims hold? The answer is no.

Hagee’s prophecy claims that “tetrads” (the occurrence of four total lunar eclipses over two years) which occur on Passover and Succot (P&S) coincide with significant events in the history of the Jewish people. To support this claim, Hagee says that P&S tetrads in 1493-94, 1949-50, and 1967-68 can be associated (within a year or two) with expulsion of Spanish Jews (1492), establishment of the state of Israel (1948), and Israel’s six-day war (1967).

Not all tetrads are P&S tetrads. In every single year, eclipses occur during two preferred intervals of time (the “eclipse seasons”), but the eclipse seasons shift systematically as time goes by. The shift occurs because the lunar orbit around the Earth is continually drifting relative to the Earth’s orbit around the Sun. Thus, eclipses can occur in any month, depending on where the Moon’s orbit lies that year.

Hagee uses his claim to make predictions that significant events may occur in the near future in Israel. The timeliness of Hagee’s book is heightened by the fact that a P&S tetrad started recently (on April 14, 2014).

To see if Hagee’s claim is correct, we should examine the historical record to see whether major events of Jewish history have coincided with P&S tetrads. Some definite conclusions can be drawn, however, even without having to pore through old religious calendars to find the dates of Passover and Succot, for we know that if there were no tetrads at all in a certain year, then there couldn’t have been P&S tetrads. And, as we shall see, many hugely important events in Jewish history occurred when there were no tetrads at all.

There happens to be a table of eclipses which occurred (or will occur) between 2000 bc and 3000 ad is available online. The number of tetrads occurring in each century from the current back to the first are as follows: 8, 5 (including 2 cited by Hagee), 0, 0, 0, 5, 4 (including one cited by Hagee), 6, 0, 0, 0, 6, 8, 3, 0, 0, 3, 4, 6, 3, 0. From the twentieth to the first century bc, the numbers were as follows: 1, 0, 0, 3, 8, 6, 2, 0, 0, 4, 7, 7, 1, 0, 0, 1, 7, 6, 3, 0.

It is difficult to imagine any list of significant events in Jewish history which would not assign pride of place to the following 7 events, for which fairly reliable dates can be assigned. Here we compare these dates to the occurrence of tetrads.

(1) The last Jewish-Roman war (the Bar Kochba revolt) in 132-136 ad: but there was no tetrad during those years (the nearest one is in 162-163 ad).

(2) The destruction of Jerusalem (70 ad), and

(3) The siege of Masada (73 ad): but there were no tetrads in the 1st century.

(4) The Babylonian captivity, starting in 587 bc, ending in 538 bc: but there were no tetrads in the 6th century bc.

(5) The Assyrian invasion 721 bc and

(6) The destruction of the northern kingdom: but there was no tetrad in that year (the nearest one is 782-781 bc).

(7) The Exodus from Egypt: estimates of the date vary from as late as 1250-1200 bc or as early as 1313 bc: the first of these occurs in a century when no tetrads occurred. And although two tetrads did occur in the 14th century bc, the nearest to 1313 bc was more than 50 years prior, in 1368-1367 bc.

Comparing the above 7 major events in Jewish history with the list of eclipses fails to reveal any overlap whatsoever with any kind of tetrad (let alone with P&S tetrads). From the time of Exodus to the present time, altogether 20 (bc) + 54 (ad) = 74 tetrads have occurred. Hagee carefully chooses three of these seventy-four and associates them (within a year or two) with certain events in Jewish history. But Hagee fails to inform his readers about the complete absence of tetrads in the seven major events listed above.

These numerical results suggest that, contrary to Hagee’s claim, little or no connection exists between tetrads and major events in Jewish history.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2014/05/good-night-blood-moon


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on June 23, 2014, 03:44:56 am
Blood Moons: Harbingers or Hype?
Published on 21 June 2014
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Jan and her co-host Eric Barger moderate a debate between blood moon proponent Pastor Mark Biltz and blood moon skeptic Dr. Mark Hitchcock. Biltz outlines his case for the importance of blood moons past, present, and future in his book “Blood Moons Rising: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs” found here. The tetrad of four blood moons on Jewish feast days such as Passover and Sukkot are rare and occur near significant dates for the Jewish people. Dr. Mark Hitchcock believes the blood moon references in the Bible are for the Tribulation and apply to Christ’s Second Coming. He is frank that he feels the blood moons of 2014 and 2015 are hype and sensationalism. His book, “Blood Moons Rising: Bible Prophecy, Israel, and the Four Blood Moons”, is found here. We encourage you to read and draw your own conclusion. This ministry believes all signs of Christ’s return, including the “signs in the Heavens,” are on overdrive, and we should pay attention. We use the mobile app found on the Home page of www.oneplace.com.


Title: Re: The Blood Red Moons
Post by: Mark on April 04, 2015, 01:58:59 pm
'Mystic' rabbi issues ominous warning on eve of blood moon
Concerns '44th president of United States'


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Christians are not the only ones looking for meaning in the plethora of signs aligning in the heavens.

A rare alignment of four blood moons and a total solar eclipse unfolding during a Shemitah year and on biblical feast days, has a Jewish rabbi in Israel asking for special prayer.

And issuing an ominous warning.

Rabbi Amram Vaknin, described as a “mystic rabbi living in southern Israel,” is urging all Jews to pray and repent as the third Blood Moon of a tetrad cycle approaches, according to a report in Breaking Israel News.

Vaknin is not easily dismissed because he reportedly predicted the events of the Gaza flotilla and the Carmel forest fire in 2010, the Operations Pillar of Defense of 2012 and Protective Edge of 2014.

He warns that Israel is facing great judgment and potential danger at this time, according to the report.

The rabbi’s concerns have a lot to do with the number 44 and the current U.S. president.

One of Vaknin’s students, Gil Nachman, spoke to Breaking Israel News and, quoting the rabbi, explained that the numeric value of the Hebrew word for blood, dam, which is 44, alludes to the 44th president of the United States.

Vaknin predicted that the 44th president would “bring bloodshed (dam) to the Jewish people.” It should be noted that the rabbi made this prediction before President Barack Obama’s election to office, according to Breaking Israel News.

Vaknin believes that only 44 plus one, or 45, can counter the danger represented by the blood moons. This, he says, is Adam, or Man, which in this case refers to the Messiah.

“Blood Moons” author, Pastor Mark Biltz, said he agrees with Vaknin’s numerology.

“Because when you add the letter aleph to dam you get adam and aleph has a numeric value of one,” Biltz told WND.

Obama-Iran deal ominous for Israel

The next blood moon is set for Saturday night, April 4, on Passover.

“So here, on Passover, when you put blood on the doorpost you have the Hebrew letter Dalet meaning door and is also the number 4 with a blood moon over it on 4/4 which is the 14th of Nisan going into the 15th of Nisan beginning the Feast of Unleavened Bread,” Biltz said.

Get the full blood moons story – straight from the discoverer – in “Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs,” the book and the movie, both by Mark Biltz.

The concerns about Obama are also valid, in Biltz’s view, especially now that he has made a pact with Iran on the Islamic republic’s future nuclear capability.

“And here our 44th president has signed off on a nuclear agreement with Israel’s arch-enemy who has declared in no uncertain terms they will destroy Israel,” he said.

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/03/blood_moons2.jpg
blood_moonsIt’s interesting that in Hebrew the word for Damascus is 444, Biltz said.

“And in Isaiah there is a prophecy that Damascus will cease from being a city which has never happened before in history.”

Rabbi Vaknin called for a day of prayer at the Western Wall April 1 to encourage the arrival of the Messiah and the redemption of the Jewish people and the world.

“In these critical times, Am Israel must join together to pray to Hashem to send us Mashiach Ben David! Men and women, young and old, observant or not — the more people who come, the stronger the tefilla (prayer),” Vaknin announced on his Facebook page.

The repeated number four is also important to the sage.

Along with the value of 44 and the four Blood Moons of the tetrad, this Passover brings the shortest total lunar eclipse of the 21st century, lasting just 4 minutes, 44 seconds.

Strong tradition of blood moon signs in Talmud

Vaknin is not the first Jewish religious teacher to associate the blood moon tetrad with Jewish redemption, according to Breaking Israel News.

“With the first and third Blood Moons in this current tetrad cycle coinciding with Passover, and the second and fourth with the Feast of Tabernacles, the connections to times of redemption run deep,” the site reported.

The Talmud states, “In [the Hebrew month of] Nisan our forefathers were redeemed from Egypt, and in Nisan we will be redeemed.”

Likewise, the Feast of the Tabernacles is associated in Jewish tradition with the battle of Gog and Magog, the final war that is said to precede the final redemption and arrival of the Messiah.”

This year is also a sabbatical, or Shemitah year, a once every seven years cycle in which the land of Israel is commanded to be left fallow and financial ledgers get wiped clean.

Jonathan Cahn, author of the New York Times-bestseller “The Mystery of the Shemitah,” has also issued warnings that a time of judgment is coming to America and the world in the form of possible stock market collapses and wars. But Cahn has stopped short of predicting such events. Rather, Cahn says “we should be aware” and people of Christian faith should be preparing themselves not only physically but spiritually for difficult times ahead. Even if the judgment doesn’t fall during the Shemitah year, Cahn believes it is guaranteed to come at some point if people don’t repent and turn back to God.

What’s this Shemitah business all about? WND has a free e-book that explains all you need to know in one quick read.

‘Voices of war’, then Messiah arrives at Shemitah’s end

From a Jewish perspective, Yahadoot.net notes that the sages in the Talmud included the following warning: “In the sixth [year there will be] voices [of war], in the seventh [there will be] war, and at the end of the shmitta, the [Messiah] son of Jesse will arrive.”

Although the Talmud never states in which seven-year cycle in history this will be fulfilled, the website suggested that thus far our modern period fits the description.

Breaking Israel News said not everyone agrees on the meaning of the rare tetrad of blood moons.

    “The Blood Moon phenomenon has attracted much attention of late thanks to the efforts and solar discoveries by Root Source’s Bob O’Dell and Gidon Ariel. Not everyone is in agreement as to what the Blood Moons signify. According to O’Dell, “All the prior blood moon tetrads point to a pattern of blessing on the Jewish people. They are good news for the Jews. They are a great indicator of God’s love and commitment to the Jewish people to preserve them, and a warning to those who stand in opposition to Israel.”

The Talmud discusses the significance of astronomical events in human history, stating that a solar eclipse is a warning to the nations, while a lunar eclipse signifies danger for the Jewish people, who are likened to the moon, according to the website.

“The Sages go on to explain that this is because God sits in judgment at those times, and human actions and choices are being weighed,” the site reports. “It is a time when our mistakes may come back to haunt us.

“Rabbi Vaknin adds his voice to other religious leaders calling on their followers to pray for peace and security in Israel. Christian leaders Mark Biltz and Bob O’Dell have organized a prayer gathering for Christians worldwide to pray during the 4 minutes and 44 seconds of the total lunar eclipse late Friday night.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/mystic-rabbi-issues-ominous-warning-on-eve-of-blood-moon/#eUmVPWKZXQ8FpARH.99