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Title: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on October 20, 2013, 07:22:26 am
Detroit Baptist leader resigns after announcing she married a woman



Facing a backlash from conservatives in her congregation, a noted Christian leader in Detroit resigned Friday from her church after announcing earlier this month she had married a woman.

Bishop Allyson D. Nelson Abrams stepped down from Zion Progress Baptist Church, where she had served for five years as its first female pastor. Her announcement from the pulpit earlier this month that she had married a woman stunned many local Baptists.

Abrams’ resignation comes just days after the U.S. District Court in Michigan took up a challenge to the Michigan Marriage Act that bans same sex marriage.

Abrams, 43, used to be married to a man, but she told congregants Oct. 6 she was in love with Diana Williams, a bishop emeritus with the Imani Temple African-American Catholic Congregation in Washington, D.C., a church that broke off from the Catholic Church. The two married in March in Iowa, where same-sex marriage is legal.

Given the conservative views of many Baptists on the issue of homosexuality and female pastors, Abrams’ announcement caused an intense debate among local Christians. She said many supported her decision to come out while others opposed her gay marriage. Some urged her to stay with the church, but Abrams said she resigned because she didn’t want to further create division. Some in the congregation had found out about her same-sex marriage before she made her Oct. 6 announcement and were making it an issue that was dividing the church.

“I know how important it is for congregations to stay together,” she told the Free Press. “I didn’t want to split the church any further over this issue.”

Abrams also resigned as secretary of the Council of Baptist Pastors of Detroit and Vicinity, an influential umbrella group of African-American Christians in metro Detroit, and as co-editor of the magazine of the Progressive National Baptist Convention.

Abrams cited biblical verses to support the idea that same-sex relationships are allowable under Christian teachings, including Luke 7:1-10, which talks about the love a man has for his male servant.

Saying that love is a big part of Christianity, Abrams said: “We all know that we’ve been made in God’s image, and so no matter what you look like, no matter who you are, no matter what your orientation is,” we should be free to love whom we want.

“Love is something that’s supposed to be unconditional,” she added. “And as Christians, if anybody is supposed to be loving, we are.”

Abrams, who has a doctorate degree in theology, said her views about love and orientation changed a “little over a year ago.”

“I progressed in my theology and came to the point where I would love whichever came to me. I wasn’t just open to (a specific) gender, I was open to love in whatever way the Lord would bless me.”

Asked how she would classify herself in terms of sexual orientation, Abrams said: “I’m not classifying myself in any particular area.”

Abrams’ decision comes at a time of vigorous discussions among Christians over gay marriage, as advocates seek to legalize it across the U.S.

The Rev. Charles C. Adams, the presiding pastor of one of Detroit’s biggest churches, Hartford Memorial Baptist Church, said he supports Abrams.

“Bishop Abrams is a very intelligent, conscientious and progressive minister,” he said. “She has done a lot to help people.

“She, herself did not seek to make this an issue,” he added. “It was an issue that from my understanding was ignited by rumors and innuendos ... somebody looking up the marriage certificate on the Internet.”

Adams, who supports gay marriage in terms of constitutional rights, said there needs to be more discussion of this issue in the African-American Christian community.

By denying gay marriage, “we are denying people equal protection under the law,” Adams said. “There is no justification for that. We have same-gender couples working in every sector of society and they are not being treated fairly.”

Others disagree with Abrams, saying she is violating Christian doctrine. Elder Levon Yuille, pastor of The Bible Church in Ypsilanti, said that gay marriage is "diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Bible." Yuille said that unless Abrams stops being in a gay relationship, she should stop preaching.

"To be in accordance with scripture, she would have to give up that type of homosexual lifestyle," he said.

A native of Birmingham, Ala., Abrams graduated from Howard University in Washington, D.C., with a degree in mechanical engineering. She attended law school for two years before deciding to go into the ministry. She got a masters in divinity from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio, and later a doctorate in ministry from United in 2005.

She gave her first sermon in 1998, moved to Detroit in 1999, and was ordained in 2001. Before leading Zion Progress, she was pastor for seven years at Speak the Truth Baptist Church. Abrams became a bishop last year.

Abrams said her interpretation of scripture is compatible with same-sex relationships. She said that Greek words used in the Bible, “entimos doulos pais,” can be interpreted together to refer to a male lover.

She acknowledges there can be varying views on this issue.

“People have the right to interpret scripture whatever way they please,” she said. “I respect difference of opinions.”

As for what’s next for her, she said she’s considering joining two other denominations but would not say which ones. She said will continue to preach the gospel.

“I’m still going to preach and teach and do what God has called me to do,” she said.

It wasnt the Lord God that called you

http://www.freep.com/article/20131018/NEWS/310180141/Local-Baptist-bishop-resigns-after-her-gay-marriage?utm


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Kilika on October 21, 2013, 06:22:33 am
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Some in the congregation had found out about her same-sex marriage before she made her Oct. 6 announcement and were making it an issue that was dividing the church.

Ya think!  ::)

Those people aren't the ones making it an issue. It's the reprobate leading that group and lying to them that has made it an issue.

No wonder these "churches" are falling apart. A house divided cannot stand.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 18, 2013, 08:41:34 am
Pa. pastor faces church trial over son's gay marriage

A Pennsylvania pastor charged under United Methodist law with officiating his son's same-sex marriage is scheduled to go on trial Monday.

The Rev. Frank Schaefer, 51, could be defrocked if a jury comprised of fellow Methodist clergy convicts him of breaking his pastoral vows by officiating the 2007 ceremony in Massachusetts. Schaefer's supporters argue that church teaching on homosexuality is outmoded.

"Public opinion has changed very rapidly," said the pastor's son, Tim Schaefer, 29. "I hope this leads to a renewed conversation to revisit these policies to see if they are a little archaic."

The nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination accepts gay and lesbian members, but rejects the practice of homosexuality as "incompatible with Christian teaching." Clergy who perform same-sex unions risk punishment ranging from a reprimand to suspension to losing their minister's credentials.

The issue has split the church. Hundreds of Methodist ministers have publicly rejected church doctrine on homosexuality, and some of them face discipline for presiding over same-gender unions.

Critics say those pastors are sowing division within the church and ignoring the church's democratic decision-making process. Indeed, the denomination's top legislative body, the 1,000-member General Conference, reaffirmed the church's 40-year-old policy on gays at its last worldwide meeting in 2012.

The Methodists have set aside three days for Schaefer's trial, to be held at a church retreat in Spring City, Pa.

Tim Schaefer, of Hull, Mass., will testify on his father's behalf.

"(The defense wants) to highlight how hurtful the policy of the church is toward the LGBT community," he said.

Tim Schaefer struggled as a teenager, aware of Methodist doctrine on homosexuality. He said he prayed every night that "God would make me normal, take this away from me." He contemplated suicide but knew it would devastate his family. Schaefer finally told his parents at age 17, and he said they accepted him completely.

Years later, Schaefer knew he wanted his dad to perform his wedding ceremony.

"I remember thinking I have two choices: I can ask my dad and know I am putting him in a position ... where he would risk his career, or I could not ask my dad and really risk hurting his feelings. I think he would have been devastated if I hadn't asked him," he said.

Frank Schaefer has said he informed his superiors in the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference that he planned to officiate his son's wedding, and again after the ceremony, which took place at a restaurant near Boston. He said he faced no discipline until April — about a month before the church's six-year statute of limitations was set to expire — when one of his congregants filed a complaint.

Schaefer could have avoided a trial if he had agreed to never again perform a same-gender wedding, but he declined because three of his four children are gay.

A Methodist trial resembles a secular trial in many ways, with counsel representing each side, a judge and jury, opening statements and closing arguments, and testimony and evidence.

The 13-member jury, called a "trial court," will be selected from a pool of 35. It takes at least nine votes to convict. If Schaefer is convicted, the trial moves to a penalty phase, with the same jury settling on a punishment. At least seven members of the jury must agree on the penalty.

Schaefer can appeal a conviction, but neither the church nor the person who brought the charge may appeal an acquittal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/17/pastor-son-gay-marriage/3618503/?utm


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 18, 2013, 03:57:55 pm
Pa. pastor faces church trial over son's gay marriage


Methodist pastor pleads not guilty in gay marriage case

 A United Methodist minister who officiated at his son's same-sex wedding has pleaded not guilty to charges that he broke his pastoral vows.

Frank Schaefer of Lebanon entered his plea Monday at the beginning of a church trial in southeastern Pennsylvania that is rekindling debate over the denomination's policy on gay marriage.
 
Schaefer could face punishment ranging from a reprimand to suspension to losing his minister's credentials if a jury composed of fellow Methodist clergy convicts him of breaking church law that bans clergy from performing same-sex weddings.
 
The church's attorney, the Rev. Christopher Fisher, told the 13-member jury in his opening statement that Schaefer clearly violated the Methodist Book of Discipline by presiding over the 2007 ceremony in Massachusetts. He said the complainant — a member of Schaefer's congregation — was dismayed and shocked when he learned of the ceremony earlier this year.
 
Schaefer blessed a union that has been "declared by the United Methodist Church to be incompatible with Christian teaching," said Fisher, echoing the language of the Methodists' book of law and doctrine.
 
Schaefer's attorney, the Rev. Robert Coombe, told the jury that Schaefer had simply extended God's love to his son.

So hes a liar also, he admits to doing the wedding, which broke the his chuchs laws, not to menion Gods, and them says he isnt guilty. That makes you a LIAR also.
 
"It's important to him to practice in his family what he preached to his congregation," Coombe said. "He did this wedding as an act of love and not as an act of rebellion." Nope, its an act of rebellion, Bible says so, maybe he should have read that.
 
Dozens of Schaefer's supporters held signs and sang hymns outside the trial, which is being held at a Methodist retreat about 60 miles east of his church, wearing rainbow stoles, holding signs and singing hymns.
 
"I'm in support of the church becoming a new church that welcomes everyone," said Bunnie Bryant, 64, of West Chester, who was holding a sign that said: "Law or love? Jesus chose love." She continued, "I question the church's law trumping a father's love."

This lady is in for a hot welcome some day
 
But a pastor who's also attending the trial said that it isn't about gay rights, but rather about Schaefer's breaking of church law and his pastoral vows.
 
The Rev. Judy Kehler-Shirey, a retired Methodist minister who has attended Schaefer's church, said she personally disagrees with the church's policy on gay marriage but would not officiate at a same-sex wedding. This from a WOMAN who takes the Lords title as her own...  ::)
 
"I have a vow that is connected to all the other United Methodist pastors internationally. We have a covenant to follow the Discipline whether we agree with it or not," she said. "That has to take priority." Ya because we sure dont follow Gods Book
 
The nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination accepts gay and lesbian members, but it rejects the practice of homosexuality as "incompatible with Christian teaching." you cant have one without the other...
 
Schaefer has said he informed his superiors in the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference that he planned to officiate his son's wedding, and again after the ceremony, which took place at a restaurant near Boston.
 
He faced no discipline until April — less than a month before the church's six-year statute of limitations was set to expire — when one of his congregants filed a complaint.
 
Schaefer could have avoided a trial if he had agreed to never again perform a same-gender wedding, but he declined because three of his four children are gay. I think that says it all right there...
 
A Methodist trial resembles a secular trial in many ways, with counsel representing each side, a judge and jury, opening statements and closing arguments, and testimony and evidence. Schaefer can appeal a conviction, but neither the church nor the person who brought the charge may appeal an acquittal.

 - See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/religion/methodist-pastor-pleads-not-guilty-in-gay-marriage-case#sthash.V2hMsw54.dpuf


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 18, 2013, 07:11:43 pm
Jury convicts Pa. Methodist pastor for gay wedding

 A United Methodist minister was convicted Monday in a Pennsylvania church trial of breaking church law by officiating at his son's same-sex marriage, a case that rekindled debate over the policy of the nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination.

The Rev. Frank Schaefer testified that he tried to follow God's command to minister to all, even if he disobeyed the Methodist Book of Discipline.

Schaefer, of Lebanon, Pa., said he could have avoided the trial by agreeing to avoid any more same-sex ceremonies. But he declined, noting that three of his four children are gay.

The charges over the 2007 ceremony in Massachusetts came just a month shy of the church's six-year statute of limitations, after a congregant complained.

Schaefer could face punishment ranging from a reprimand to losing his minister's credentials after the jury convicted him of breaking church law that bans clergy from performing same-sex weddings. The jury will reconvene Tuesday for the penalty phase.

The nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination accepts gay and lesbian members but rejects the practice of homosexuality as "incompatible with Christian teaching."

rest: http://www.ksro.com/news/article.aspx?id=6137866


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 20, 2013, 06:43:05 am
Frank Schaefer, Pennsylvania Methodist Pastor, Suspended After Officiating Son's Gay Wedding

A United Methodist minister from Pennsylvania who was convicted under church law of officiating at his son's same-sex wedding ceremony was suspended for 30 days Tuesday and told he will lose his credentials if he violates any of the church's rules in that time.

The same jury of fellow pastors that convicted Rev. Frank Schaefer on Monday of breaking his vows also told him he must surrender his credentials if he can't reconcile his new calling to the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community with the laws from the church's Book of Discipline.

Schaefer told reporters afterward that he had no intention of changing his mind and said he expects to lose his credentials in 30 days.

Before the punishment was announced, Schaefer, who was convicted for officiating at his son's 2007 wedding ceremony in Massachusetts, told the jury Tuesday that he is unrepentant and refused to promise he wouldn't perform more gay unions.

Rather than beg for mercy, the pastor upped the stakes.

The church "needs to stop judging people based on their sexual orientation," he told jurors. "We have to stop the hate speech. We have to stop treating them as second-class Christians."

After the jury pronounced its sentence, Schaefer's supporters began overturning chairs in the courtroom — symbolizing the biblical story of Jesus overturning the tables of the money changers — and held an impromptu communion service.

Schaefer's trial rekindled debate within the nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination over church policies on homosexuality and same-sex marriage. The denomination accepts gay and lesbian members, but it rejects the practice of homosexuality as "incompatible with Christian teaching."

Schaefer donned a rainbow-colored stole on the witness stand and told jurors it symbolized his commitment to the cause.

"I will never be silent again," he said, as some of his supporters wept in the gallery. "This is what I have to do."

Jon Boger, who filed the initial complaint against Schaefer, was outraged by the pastor's recalcitrance. The career Naval officer grew up in Zion United Methodist Church of Iona, the church that Schaefer has led for 11 years.

"Frank Schaefer sat here and openly rebuked the United Methodist Church, its policies, standards and doctrines," Bolger said when called as a rebuttal witness. "He should no longer be in service as a minister of the United Methodist Church, not at Iona, not anywhere else."

Earlier Tuesday, the Methodists' prosecutor called former members of Schaefer's church who said his conduct split the congregation, and experts who said the punishment should serve as a deterrent to other like-minded clergy.

Christina Watson said her family left Schaefer's church because they no longer wanted to be "subjected to the preaching and teaching" of Schaefer.

"To me, it wasn't a good Christian example for ministers to say it's OK to break the rules of your church," she testified.

The Rev. Paul Stallworth, who leads a United Methodist task force on sexuality and abortion, testified that church law requires jurors to "openly rebuke" Schaefer so that fellow clergy will think twice before breaking it.

Schaefer had previously testified that he performed his son's 2007 wedding in Massachusetts out of love, not a desire to flout church teaching on homosexuality.

But Tuesday's testimony made clear he has had a change of heart.

"I have to minister to those who hurt and that's what I'm doing," said Schaefer.

The prosecutor, the Rev. Christopher Fisher, invited Schaefer to "repent of your actions" and pledge never again to perform a homosexual union.

"I cannot," Schaefer replied.

His son, Tim Schaefer, told jurors he knew he was putting his father in a difficult position by asking him to officiate his wedding. But he concluded he would hurt his father's feelings if he didn't ask.

Schaefer said he hoped his father's trial would start a larger conversation in the denomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/frank-schaefer-pastor-gay-marriage_n_4306009.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 20, 2013, 06:45:16 am
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1522891.1384916226!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-frankschaefer-1119.jpg)

Yes it does say just who and what you are...


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Kilika on November 20, 2013, 12:44:50 pm
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the laws from the church's Book of Discipline.

And THAT is part of their problem, adding to the Word of God the doctrines of men.

Might I recommend they follow the law of God in the Holy Bible, and first examine whether they themselves are in the faith. Indeed the person should be rebuked for his position on homosexuality and given opportunity to repent, but if he refuses as he seems to be doing, then he must be "put away" and not allowed back into the group till he does repent.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 16, 2013, 11:40:42 am
Texas United Methodist Bishop Reinstates Lesbian’s Ordination Candidacy

A United Methodist Bishop for the San Antonio area has reinstated the candidacy of a lesbian woman who is seeking to be ordained in the denomination as a deacon.
 
Mary Ann Kaiser serves as the youth director at University United Methodist Church in Austin. She initially became a candidate for ordination in the Alabama-West Florida Annual Conference in 2008, during which time she not living as a homosexual.
 
Kaiser later moved to Texas, where she obtained a Master of Divinity at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary and became active in the district chapter of the denomination.
 
In April of this year, Kaiser revealed at a district meeting that she was involved in a lesbian relationship. She has since traveled to Maryland to “wed” her partner Annanda Barclay.

Following the initial meeting, the district committee voted 6-2 to allow her candidacy to proceed, but this summer, a church board recommended that it she be removed from the list. The United Methodist Book of Discipline prohibits “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” from becoming ordained as ministers in the denomination.
 
Kaiser’s pastor, John Elford, then made a motion to reinstate her candidacy, but was rejected. Elford continued pressing the matter, stating that Kaiser had not been fully evaluated as required by the denomination.
 
Southwest Texas Conference Bishop James A. Dorff originally ruled the issue as moot, but the matter was sent back to him this fall for response. On Thursday, Dorff reinstated Kaiser’s candidacy, agreeing with Elford that she had not been fully examined.

“The Austin District Committee, following BOD (Book of Discipline) processes, certified Ms. Kaiser and recommended her to the Board of Ordained Ministry for Commissioning,” he wrote. “It then became the board’s responsibility to fully examine her fitness for ministry, including written materials and interview …  This was not done in this case. ”
 
“The Board of Ordained Ministry rendered a judgment but did not follow the process,” Dorff stated. “Therefore, the candidate is entitled to full examination by the Board.”
 
Kaiser issued a statement following the decision expressing her approval of her reinstatement.
 
“I find hope in the fact that this wrong is being corrected and I am eager to continue on this relational, Spirit driven process with the Board,” she wrote. “I rely on the voice of the Holy Spirit to illuminate my understanding of faith, my call, and my place in The United Methodist Church.”
 
Reaction to Kaiser’s reinstatement has been mixed.
 
“God bless the bishop! He made the right decision in allowing this faithful woman to continue her call to candidacy,” one commenter wrote. “I think this is a sign that the United Methodist church is changing and that the 15 conferences that voted for gay marriage are indeed making a difference.”
 
“No, No, No! She mustn’t be ordained,” another wrote. “The Bible, which is the Word of God, on which the church was founded and is itself the foundation of the Christian church, clearly forbids homosexuality. Period.”
 
Others noted that no woman is permitted to serve as a deacon according 1 Timothy 3:2-7.

http://christiannews.net/2013/12/16/texas-united-methodist-bishop-reinstates-lesbians-ordination-candidacy/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 18, 2013, 06:16:15 am
United Methodist Minister Who Officiated ‘Gay Wedding’ Refuses to Repent, Give Up Credentials

of course not...


Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


A United Methodist minister from Pennsylvania is refusing to give up his credentials after he was ordered last month to repent of officiating same-sex ‘weddings’ within 30 days or relinquish his rights to pastor within the denomination.
 
As previously reported, Frank Schaefer, 51, who oversees Zion United Methodist Church of Iona in Lebanon, was found guilty on in November of “conducting a ceremony that celebrates same-sex unions” and “disobedience to order and discipline of the Methodist Church.” In 2007, he traveled to Massachusetts to officiate a ceremony between his son Tim and Tim’s homosexual partner.
 
The United Methodist Book of Discipline outlines that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” may not be ordained as ministers in the denomination. It also forbids ministers from hosting or participating in “ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions.”
 
Schaefer said that the knew what he was doing was against church law, but chose to proceed with the ceremony anyway.

 “The love for my son took over the fear of losing my job with the United Methodist Church,” Schaefer told the Lebanon Daily News. “It was a tough decision in some sense, but I just knew I had to make it. I had to follow my heart.”
 
However, some in Schaefer’s church was not so supportive when they learned that their shepherd had officiated over the ceremony. One member, Jon Boger, filed a complaint with the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference just before the statute of limitations ran out, and Schaefer was ordered to stand trial.
 
Last month, Schaefer told a jury of thirteen United Methodist ministers that he would continue to advocate for homosexuality and wore a rainbow stole as a sign of his support.

“I cannot go back to being silent,” he said. “I am now an advocate for LGBT people in the world and in the Church.”
 
At the end of the three-day trial, Schaefer was found guilty and given the ultimatum of repenting of his actions within 30 days or turning in his credentials.
 
But on Monday, at a press conference at Arch Street United Methodist Church in Philadelphia, Schaefer told those gathered that he will not be relinquishing his ministerial license voluntarily. Approximately 50 others, including fellow United Methodist ministers, stood with Schaefer in solidarity.
 
“I cannot voluntarily surrender my credentials because I am a voice now for many of the tens of thousands of LGBT members in our church,” he stated. ”I have received hundreds of petitions from LGBT members, colleagues, and even three bishops, not to surrender my credentials.”
 
“I just can’t surrender my credentials,” he continued. “I know it sounds rebellious, but it isn’t. I have to do what God wants me to do.”
 
But some have stated that supporting sexual behavior between those of the same gender is not what God wants from Shaefer—or any pastor.
 
“His work against the Word of God is something that will haunt him all the days of his life,” one commenter wrote. “Unfortunately if he is not defrocked, he will be a stumbling block to those he ministers to, because he’s leading the sheep down the wrong path to destruction.”
 
Shaefer is scheduled to meet with Church officials on Thursday. He states that he is unsure of his fate, but notes that he has received invitations from the United Church of Christ and the Episcopal Church to join their denomination if defrocked.

http://christiannews.net/2013/12/17/united-methodist-minister-who-officiated-gay-wedding-refuses-to-repent-give-up-credentials/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 19, 2013, 02:05:06 pm
Christian Pastor Defrocked After Officiating Gay Son’s Wedding

A pastor from central Pennsylvania was defrocked by United Methodist church officials on Thursday after officiating his son’s gay wedding — an action that ran counter to the denomination’s central beliefs.
 
As TheBlaze previously reported, Rev. Frank Schaefer of Lebanon, Pa., had already been suspended when he met with church officials to determine whether he would continue as a pastor.
 
Schaefer had presided over his son’s wedding in 2007 in Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal. While Methodist regulations allow for gays and lesbians to join, homosexuality itself is seen as being “incompatible with Christian teaching.”

The pastor had been told to resign from the clergy by Thursday if he could not follow the denomination’s Book of Discipline.
 
But Schaefer, unwilling to stand down, has said the book discriminates against gay people and vowed this week that he would not voluntarily surrender his credentials.
 
In the end, though, the decision was out of his hands, as spokesman John Coleman said that officials decided to defrock him. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the meeting with church officials only lasted 15 minutes.
 
There was no indication that a different resolution would be met, as earlier this week, Schaefer publicly said he would defy the religious order to surrender his credentials for performing the same-sex wedding.
 
“I am actively committing to having those discriminatory laws changed and banished from our Book of Discipline,” Schaefer said. “That’s the only way I can reconcile being a United Methodist at this point.”

Jurors who convicted Schaefer in a church trial last month — which resulted in a 30-day suspension — said he should use the time off to decide whether he could follow church doctrine. If he couldn’t do so, he was told to step down.
 
Schaefer gave his answer publicly Monday during a news conference at Arch Street United Methodist Church in Philadelphia, surrounded by dozens of sympathetic ministers and laity.
 
“I cannot voluntarily surrender my credentials because I am a voice now for many — for tens of thousands — of LGBT members in our church,” he said then.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/19/christian-pastor-defrocked-after-officiating-gay-sons-wedding/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 28, 2013, 06:20:57 am
Surprise, we believe the Bible: Methodist pastor punished
maybe you should read the Bible before making that statement.

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


Just saying...

United Methodist officials have followed church doctrine and church law in dealing with an errant pastor.

Frank Schaefer, who pastors a church in Pennsylvania, pastors it no more. He was brought to trial and convicted of officiating at his son's same-gender "marriage" ceremony in Massachusetts where such weddings are legal. He was given 30 days to repent and conform to church doctrine but declined and has now been defrocked.
 
John Lomperis, with the Institute on Religion and Democracy, spoke to OneNewsNow about the pastor's defrocking.
 
"The thing that we've been dealing with is there's this pattern of activists effusively expressing a lot of phony surprise each step of the way in hopes of intimidating church officials to not do the right thing," Lomperis warns. "The Bible's very clear on the matter but they express outrage that a Christian church would enact a policy forbidding the blessing of sexual sin."
 
The United Methodist Book of Discipline is very clear in that it forbids ministers to bless same-sex unions.
 
Lomperis says activists "seem to be shocked that its terms would be followed with integrity" in dealing with Schaeffer.
 
"The fact of the matter," says the IRD spokesman, "is that the source of so many of our problems in the United Methodist Church is all these people who get ordained, and when they are asked at their ordination do you believe in our doctrine they basically say yes while crossing their fingers behind their back."
 
Lomperis suggests all denominations might want to consider "more carefully screening would-be pastors for their biblical groundedness and their moral character," and have more effective accountability for them.

 - See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2013/12/19/surprise-we-believe-the-bible-methodist-pastor-punished#sthash.zZfC7LNI.dpuf


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 28, 2013, 07:00:01 am
Defrocked United Methodist Church Pastor Joins Pro-Gay Church in DC

A former Pennsylvania United Methodist Church pastor who was defrocked for not accepting the denomination's ban on officiating gay weddings has joined a pro-gay congregation in Washington, D.C.

Frank Schaefer, who was suspended by the UMC for officiating his gay son's same-sex wedding, recently joined Foundry UMC and preached a sermon there Sunday.

Dean Snyder, senior pastor at Foundry, told The Christian Post about how Schaefer became a member of his congregation.

"Pastors' church membership resides in the annual conference they belong to. When a minister's credentials are taken away he or she no longer is a member of the conference," said Snyder.

"We invited Frank to join Foundry so that he could remain a United Methodist and have a loving and supportive church home."

Snyder, whose church averages about 600 in weekly attendance, also told CP about future involvement that Schaefer will have at Foundry's pulpit.

rest: http://www.christianpost.com/news/defrocked-united-methodist-church-pastor-joins-pro-gay-church-in-dc-111544/

of course he did, im sure here with in a year we will hear of his divorce from his wife and his marriage to some other sodomite.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 28, 2013, 09:53:41 am
I read a book by one of these wolves back in 2006(when I first moved back to North Texas) by the name of Phillip Yancey - I read it b/c someone recommended it to me.

Apparently Yancey was one of the members of the "religious right" awhile back until one of those members "came out of the closet"(forgot his name, but he runs a pro-sodomy ministry in North Texas now - and this is also the same guy who has ghostwritten a number of "Christian" books for people like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell). This was when Yancey started acting like we Christians needed to show "compassion" to sodomites, and even started his own sodomite church. He also said how when he first stuck by this guy, he marched in one of those "gay pride" parades with him out of curiosity, and that's when he got on the bandwagon.

Pt being that enemies have infiltrated the church from WITHIN like this - all of this has been by design. First that guy I mentioned in the above para "came out of the closet", then he caused a division, then one of the more "prominent evangelists" sides with him and the reactions are indifferent, and slowly but surely everyone will get on the dark side's bandwagon.

FYI, Yancey also promotes Catholicism teachings.

Same with what went on with this "pastor" and Methodist church - a church split likely happened, and it will likely go down the same path.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on January 03, 2014, 06:12:46 am
Mennonite Church USA Ordains First Openly Homosexual ‘Pastor’

Mennonite Church USA has ordained its first openly homosexual pastor, reports state.
 
According to Mennonite World Review, the Mountain States Conference, a division of the Mennonite Church USA, has approved the ministerial license of a Colorado woman who identifies as a lesbian.
 
Theda Good, who is in a relationship with another woman, began serving with First Mennonite Church of Denver in 2012, and has a master’s degree from Eastern Mennonite University in Virginia. Her church submitted a letter requesting her licensure last year, and the Conference has been reviewing the matter over a period of many months.
 
A series of meetings have been held to discuss the request, including with Good and members of her church.

 “Much of the work centered around the consideration of a person whose gifts and call to ministry are clearly affirmed, yet is in a committed same-sex relationship, which varies from denominational statements,” the Conference outlined in a press release.
 
On November 24th, the Ministerial Council met for the second time with Good and agreed to accept her request for ordination. The matter then moved to the Leadership Board on December 1st, who agreed unanimously to ordain Good.
 
She will receive her license on February 2nd to serve as Pastor of Nurture and Fellowship at First Mennonite Church of Denver.

The Mountain States Conference has acknowledged that the decision to ordain Good is controversial.
 
“It is the desire of the Leadership Board to function and communicate with a spirit of deep humility, joyfully acknowledging the work of God in our midst, and with a sense of sadness recognizing the pain that this causes some of the sisters and brothers that we love in Mennonite Church USA,” it wrote.
 
Reaction to the matter has been mixed.
 
“I applaud the Mountain States Mennonite Conference for choosing grace over law; for affirming common humanity over the perception of sexuality,” one commenter wrote. “Grace is where love is free to happen. And where there is love, there is God. Because God happens when love happens.”
 
“If you really loved everyone in the Mennonite Church then you would not be doing what you are doing,” another stated. “Because of your actions you will be bringing a curtain of darkness and shame to the entire Mennonite Church. I feel that you have embarked upon a slippery slope that will only bring pain, confusion, heartache, and disunity. I pray that God will not treat the Mennonite Church like he treated Sodom and Gomorrah.”

http://christiannews.net/2014/01/02/mennonite-church-usa-ordains-first-openly-homosexual-pastor/?utm


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 03, 2014, 10:11:10 am
Pretty soon all of these so-called "denominations" like the SBC, Lutherans, Methodists, etc will have their first sodomite Presidents.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on January 19, 2014, 05:19:58 am
Retired United Methodist Minister Faces Church Trial for Officiating Son’s Same-Sex ‘Wedding’

 A retired United Methodist minister and former Yale Divinity School Dean is set to face a church trial in March for officiating his son’s same-sex “wedding” in 2012.

Thomas Ogletree, 80, will stand trial on March 12 at First United Methodist Church of Stanford following complaints filed by fellow clergy who accuse him of violating church doctrine.

“I could not with any integrity as a Christian refuse my son’s request to preside at his wedding,” he said in a statement this week. “It is a shame that the church is choosing to prosecute me for this act of love, which is entirely in keeping with my ordination vows to ‘seek peace, justice, and freedom for all people’ and with Methodism’s historic commitment to inclusive ministry embodied in its slogan ‘open hearts, open minds, open doors.’”

Ogletree is formerly an elder with the New York Conference of the United Methodist Church, which has reportedly passed resolutions expressing support for same-sex “marriage.” However, officials state that regardless of the conference’s stance, Ogletree’s actions violated the United Methodist Book of Discipline.

The United Methodist Book of Discipline outlines that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” may not be ordained as ministers in the denomination. It also forbids ministers from hosting or participating in “ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions.”

Ogletree is one of three United Methodist ministers–all from New York–who will be facing church trials this year for violating the Book of Discipline. Stephen Heiss of Binghamton is likewise accused of officiating same-sex ceremonies, and Sara Thompson Tweedy of White Plains is charged with coming out as an avowed and practicing lesbian.

“The Bible has some wonderful parts to it, but they’re dated, and right now it’s time to quit asking gay people to sit at the back of the bus,” Heiss told reporters last year.

Resolutions have been passed during several regional conferences that likewise challenge the Book of Discipline in regard to homosexuality. In 2012, a number of conference attendees expressed support for a declaration entitled the “Statement of Gospel Obedience,” which asserts that the United Methodist Book of Discipline is wrong to denounce homosexual behavior.

But in an article entitled Why Many Methodists Still Oppose Same-Sex Marriage, John Lemperis, the Director of the UM Action program of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, said that the Bible is crystal clear on the matter.

“Even liberal Biblical scholars now agree that the Old and New Testaments are very clear in their moral disapproval of homosexual practice,” he wrote. “More fundamentally, Scripture paints a beautiful picture of marriage as a holy covenant of intensely intimate, self-giving community between man and woman, uniting the two most basic, equal categories of humanity.”

“We submit to Jesus as Lord,” Lemperis stated. “If He is truly Lord, then no area of our lives can be off-limits to Him. Jesus spoke strongly about the centrality of self-denial in following Him, which often means dramatic personal sacrifices, including not acting on powerful desires for things outside of God’s best for us. … Jesus and new life in Him are more than worth it.”

Ogletree’s trial follows last year’s high-profile hearing in Pennsylvania involving Frank Schaefer of Zion United Methodist Church of Iona. As previously reported, Schaefer had been found guilty of violating church law and was given 30 days to repent of officiating his son’s “wedding,” but as three of his four children are homosexual, he refused. As he would not voluntarily surrender his credentials, he was defrocked and has reportedly since joined an assembly in Washington, D.C.

http://christiannews.net/2014/01/18/retired-united-methodist-minister-faces-church-trial-for-officiating-sons-same-sex-wedding/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on February 28, 2014, 06:08:33 am
Young Evangelicals and Same-Sex Marriage

 Dr. Rosaria Butterfield has an amazing story to tell—and it’s her story. A former lesbian feminist professor, she started studying Christianity in order to debunk it—but ended up embracing it.

Today, she’s a dedicated Christian apologist, wife, and mother, with two books about the faith to her credit. Although some Christians will struggle with same-sex attraction their whole lives, she, in God’s grace, was able to leave it behind.

So it’s not surprising that Wheaton College, one of the nation’s premier Christian colleges, invited Dr. Butterfield to tell her story at a chapel service.

But some 100 students protested the chapel and what they called Dr. Butterfield’s “dangerous” message—a message that would only tell one side of the same-sex story.

They held signs saying things like “Rosaria’s story is valid, mine is too,” and “I’m gay and a beloved child of God. That’s my story.”

Dr. Butterfield graciously met and talked with these demonstrators later. “I know too well the world these students inhabit,” she wrote, recalling how she herself had once participated in similar activism.

So is this another one of those “young Christian millennials are abandoning traditional morality” stories that it’s been made out to be? Not by a long shot. As Manhattan Declaration Director Eric Teetsel pointed out at the Federalist, while 100 protesters got the attention, “2,000 millennial evangelicals” inside the chapel “didn’t protest her message . . . they gave her a standing ovation.”

One of the most common cultural narratives being foisted upon us is that young people, especially evangelical young people, are giving up on traditional understandings of sexuality and marriage; and yes evidence shows that many have. But this narrative tries to portray a certain inevitability about the end of traditional sexual morality.

Folks, I have to tell you, as I travel and speak at colleges and universities all over the country, I see hundreds and thousands of young Christians who still hold to traditional views of sexuality and marriage. And many others who haven’t yet made up their minds.

I’m not alone. Eric Teetsel described his experience speaking at the Jubilee conference in Pittsburgh: “I was speaking on the meaning and purpose of marriage,” he wrote, “and there were many other sessions with speakers far more famous than I, yet they came flowing in. When they ran out of chairs some went out and found more. When there were no more, they sat on the floor and stood in the back.”

Eric wrote ironically, "Don't these young people know they aren't supposed to exist?" But they do, and “they wanted to know how to make a case for marriage.”

We have to help them make that case. As sociologist Christian Smith points out, if a student can’t articulate what he believes to be true, then it’s very tedious and fragile.

I’ve seen this first-hand working with Summit Ministries. When students can articulate their beliefs, their confidence grows. This is especially true of the pro-life movement. When young people learn how to articulate a defense for the unborn, like thousands do at Summit and Students for Life conferences, they’re unbelievable. They’ll defend life on the plane on the way home; they’ll start campus groups; they’ll do sidewalk counseling; and they’ll start incredibly innovative organizations like the Live Action network or Save the Storks.

Not only must the Church help people understand why they believe what they believe, we have to equip them to be able to articulate what they believe in the public square.

That narrative, that we’re losing young people on issues of human sexuality, will only continue if we allow it to. It will continue if we fail to tell stories like that of Rosaria Butterfield, the 2,000 young Christians who applauded her, and the students who flocked to Pittsburgh to learn how to defend marriage.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/breakpoint/young-evangelicals-and-same-sex-marriage.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 28, 2014, 12:11:46 pm
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One of the most common cultural narratives being foisted upon us is that young people, especially evangelical young people, are giving up on traditional understandings of sexuality and marriage; and yes evidence shows that many have. But this narrative tries to portray a certain inevitability about the end of traditional sexual morality.

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That narrative, that we’re losing young people on issues of human sexuality, will only continue if we allow it to. It will continue if we fail to tell stories like that of Rosaria Butterfield, the 2,000 young Christians who applauded her, and the students who flocked to Pittsburgh to learn how to defend marriage.

The NIV being put out in the market in 1978 was all but the final nail in the coffin - while Baby Boomers(who were giving birth and raising the current Millenials we see presently) may have held to their "conservative" beliefs, nonetheless they no longer had the proper sword to train up their children.

IOW, just get back to the word, the King James Bible. And flee those Babel church buildings.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Kilika on February 28, 2014, 12:43:41 pm
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That narrative, that we’re losing young people on issues of human sexuality, will only continue if we allow it to.

Uh, you might want to check prophecy. It WILL continue and man cannot stop it. That is the whole point of Jesus having to return as He will. Man thinking he can stop what is happening to the world is deluded by the false works doctrine of churchianity.

Individuals will be saved, yes, thank you Jesus, but the world is done for and the heathens in it, no saving it because God says it will not be saved.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 02, 2014, 05:15:27 pm
Retired Dallas Methodist pastor says he’ll perform same-sex marriages
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/religion/20140121-retired-dallas-methodist-pastor-says-hell-perform-same-sex-marriages.ece

After 53 years together, Dallas gay couple to wed
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140226-after-53-years-together-dallas-gay-couple-to-wed.ece?nclick_check=1


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on March 03, 2014, 05:30:43 am
Transgender Priest Dismissed from Arkansas Church

The Episcopal Diocese of Arkansas has dismissed a priest who recently revealed he is transgender. Reverend Greg Fry was born a man but told members she will now live life as a woman. Fry now wants to be called Gwen.

http://www.trunews.com/transgender-priest-dismissed-arkansas-church/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 03, 2014, 12:02:19 pm
Transgender Priest Dismissed from Arkansas Church

The Episcopal Diocese of Arkansas has dismissed a priest who recently revealed he is transgender. Reverend Greg Fry was born a man but told members she will now live life as a woman. Fry now wants to be called Gwen.

http://www.trunews.com/transgender-priest-dismissed-arkansas-church/

Been in an Episcopal church a couple of times in my life(the last time being in 2008) - the atmosphere is INCREDIBLY weird, to say the least!

With that being said - never would have imagined society in these "churches" would come to an all-time low like THIS.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 10, 2014, 07:48:20 pm
http://news.msn.com/us/church-drops-case-against-ny-pastor-who-performed-sons-gay-wedding
Church drops case against NY pastor who performed son's gay wedding
3/10/14

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United Methodist Church announced on Monday it was dropping its case against a New York clergyman accused of defying church policy by officiating at his son's same-sex wedding.

The church said a trial over the actions of the Rev. Thomas Ogletree, a former dean at Yale University's divinity school, could cause "harmful polarization" during the ongoing debate over the church's stance on gay unions.

The move came three months after a Pennsylvania pastor was defrocked after a church judicial proceeding found him guilty of officiating at his son's same-sex wedding. Instead of facing trial, Ogletree will participate in a series of conversations about the church's policy toward homosexual unions, a church official said.

"Church trials produce no winners," Bishop Martin McLee, the leader of the church's New York Annual Conference, said in a statement.

"Church trials result in harmful polarization and continue the harm brought upon our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters," the bishop wrote.

Methodist doctrine welcomes congregants regardless of sexual orientation but maintains that homosexuality is "incompatible with Christian teachings." Under church policy, same-sex marriages cannot be performed in Methodist churches or by ordained ministers.

But like other mainstream Protestant denominations, the church faced increasing pressure to amend its stance on same-sex couples. Over the past three years, advocates have urged Methodist clergy to defy church policy and conduct gay weddings as a sign of protest.

Ogletree said he could not refuse when asked to officiate at his son's 2012 wedding to another man in New York, a state that recognizes gay nuptials. A fellow Methodist clergyman saw the wedding announcement in a newspaper and filed a complaint against Ogletree.

"It is a shame that the church is choosing to prosecute me for this act of love, which is entirely in keeping with my ordination vows … and with Methodism's historic commitment to inclusive ministry embodied in its slogan 'open hearts, open minds, open doors,'" Ogletree said in a statement in January.

Ogletree, a noted scholar on Christian ethics and a member of the clergy for 60 years, said he was relinquishing his right to a trial and had accepted the resolution agreement and its "intention to ...offer a process of theological, spiritual and ecclesiastical reflection."

The United Methodist Church is the second-largest Protestant group in the U.S. after the Southern Baptist Convention. It has about 12.5 million members worldwide.

(Editing by Barbara Goldberg and Amanda Kwan)


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 20, 2014, 03:18:05 pm
OK, pretty much this whole "culture wars" script since 1980 has played out the way it's shown in this interview.

First off, the guy CNN's Anderson Cooper is interviewing is Southern Baptist Convention President Fred Luter - I've seen this guy preach when I lived in New Orleans(he came to my previous "church" months after Katrina) - he preached how Christians were under a "Job test" during that time(which was pure nonsense), and he's also a member of the local RCC's Archdiocese's interfaith group.

Anyhow - Luter first went on Rick Wiles' "Christian" radio show(I put this in quotes, b/c Wiles is a Catholic in Christian's clothing, as his show is disguised as just that), and responded to Wiles how he pretty much agreed that those North Korean threats were put there b/c of all the sodomy going on in America. Then when he went on CNN's Cooper, he DENIED he made these comments DESPITE Cooper exposing him doing so.(as shown in the 7 minute clip in this link) And then that's when he started changing his story to comparing America to Sodom and Gomorrah. No, nothing wrong with it here, but it was HOW it was played out(saying one thing, denying it, then changing it to another when "confronted" about it) - a double mind man is unstable in all of his ways.

Ultimately, it ends up polarizing the masses further b/c the debate goes from "Either you're on this side of the fence or the other side of the fence" to..."The liberal media is at it again demonizing conservatives and Christians" vs "Those Christians are delusional"...

Pt I'm trying to make here is that all of this has been by design since 1980 to polarize the masses further and further with this issue, and then at a certain point(like we're seeing now), when everyone is worn out and ready to throw in the towel, slowly but surely merge everyone to at least some kind of compromise.

Also - notice what Luter says at the end of the interview - he all but admits how once SSM is the law of the land, churches will be forced to abide by it(and he didn't seem to have any concerns when saying it).

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/03/same-sex-marriage-blamed-for-problems/
7 minute video-interview: Same-sex marriage blamed for problems
4/3/13
10:35 PM ET

Anderson Cooper asks Pastor Fred Luter, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, why he linked nuclear threats from North Korea with the debates in the U.S. over same-sex marriage and gays in the Boy Scouts.

He was answering a question posed by a Christian radio host about whether God was punishing Americans for their "slide into immorality." He said, in part, "I don't think it's just a coincidence."

In his interview with Anderson, Pastor Luter clarified his comments and spoke about what he sees as the problem with trying to redefine marriage. Watch the video for more on their conversation.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 24, 2014, 11:56:38 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/major-christian-charity-lifts-same-sex-marriage-ban-203900472.html
3/24/14
A Major Christian Charity Lifts Its Same-Sex Marriage Ban for Employees

World Vision, one of America's largest Christian charities, just made a small but important tweak to its employee handbook: it changed its definition of marriage. Like many religious non-profits, World Vision U.S. can privilege people with certain beliefs in their hiring practices. Until recently, one of those conditions of employment prohibited employees from engaging in sexual activity outside of a heterosexual marriage. Now, the charity's definition of marriage includes same-sex couples too. World Vision U.S.'s president Richard Stearns told Christianity Today that his charity hopes the change (which still prohibits sex outside of marriage) will become "symbolic not of compromise but of [Christian] unity." As of now, anyone "in a same-sex marriage who is a professed believer in Jesus Christ" is eligible for for employment there. World Vision U.S. is based in Washington State, where same-sex marriage is legal.

Although Stearns hopes that other Christian organizations will follow his example, World Vision has a history of choosing to sit out, rather than take sides, on controversial issues facing the different denominations who work with the charity. That context is important when looking at the World Vision leader's longer statement to CT: "It's easy to read a lot more into this decision than is really there...This is not an endorsement of same-sex marriage," Stearns cautioned, adding:

"We have decided we are not going to get into that debate. Nor is this a rejection of traditional marriage, which we affirm and support. We're not caving to some kind of pressure. We're not on some slippery slope. There is no lawsuit threatening us. There is no employee group lobbying us." 

This statement will be tricky to swallow for some LGBT groups working for same-sex marriage equality state-by-state — it kind of reads like Pontius Pilate, washing his hands, in a certain light. Plus, as CT notes, World Vision has a history of working against government-based anti-discrimination regulations. The charity successfully fought in federal court for the right to hire only Christians, for instance, in a case that had the potential to be the Hobby Lobby case of hiring limitations for religious organizations. And it's opposed efforts in the international aid world to prohibit discrimination against LGBT individuals in the workplace.

All this is true. But it's still important, even outside of the world of Christian organizations currently contending with religious divisions on social issues. When Stearns denies caving to pressure, he's also complicating a common narrative among (often conservative Christian) anti-LGBT activists: that those in the "mainstream" who endorse equality rights are giving in to those who are trying to "force" a pro-LGBT agenda on the American public. It's a false narrative, but as even traditionally red states find their same sex marriage bans overturned in federal courts, it's picking up traction again by those who feel threatened when two people love each other without their approval. And Stearns's mild statement indicating that his organization would accept married employees in same-sex relationships has already ruffled feathers among those who want a harder line.

Stearns said that his policy is meant to move his organization to neutral ground on the debate, as his charity does not set theological policy for American Christians. But the new policy's simple acknowledgement that LGBT individuals can be Christ-believing wives and husbands will not be seen as neutral for some who support the charity's work. For better or for worse, it's a sure thing that other Christian organizations will be watching World Vision as it rolls out this change.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 26, 2014, 05:59:03 pm
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http://www.christianpost.com/news/world-vision-reverses-decision-on-gay-married-employees-we-made-a-mistake-116871/
World Vision Reverses Decision on Gay Married Employees: We Made a Mistake
3/26/14

After days of backlash from Evangelicals, World Vision, an international nonprofit ministry, has reversed its decision to allow those in same-sex marriages to be employed.

"Today, the World Vision U.S. board publicly reversed its recent decision to change our national employment conduct policy," the Christian humanitarian organization said in a letter to supporters Wednesday. "The board acknowledged they made a mistake and chose to revert to our longstanding conduct policy requiring sexual abstinence for all single employees and faithfulness within the Biblical covenant of marriage between a man and a woman."

World Vision has come under heavy criticism since it made public on Monday its policy change. In a letter to its employees that was shared with The Christian Post on Monday, World Vision President Richard Stearns announced that while the organization is not endorsing same-sex marriage, it recognizes that its staff is comprised of believers from more than 50 denominations, some of which have sanctioned same-sex marriage. Thus, its board has decided to defer the issue to local churches, in its effort to "treat all of our employees equally."

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Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 20, 2014, 08:46:26 pm
Baylor Univ advertises themselves as a "Christian" university, FYI(and some of their graduates have gotten prominent positions)...

http://www.webpronews.com/brittney-griner-says-baylor-kept-her-in-the-closet-in-new-book-2014-04
Brittney Griner Says Baylor Kept Her in the Closet in New Book
4/20/14

While Baylor University certainly enjoyed Brittney Griner’s talents on the court, the former player claims that officials at the university told her to keep her sexual orientation a secret. Griner, who is now openly gay, wrote about her experience at Baylor in her new book In My Skin.

Baylor University is a private Baptist college in Waco, Texas. Griner played for Baylor from 2009-2013. To say that Griner, who stands at 6’8″ and has an 88″ wing span, was a standout at Baylor would be putting it lightly. Griner led her team to an NCAA Championship in 2012 and was named the AP Division I Player of the Year and the NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player in the same year. Griner is so good, in fact, that one NBA team didn’t rule out drafting her.

While Griner’s efforts on the court were appreciated, she says in her book that she was encouraged to hide her homosexuality while playing for Baylor. Baylor women’s basketball Coach Kim Mulkey is one person Brittney Griner mentioned that told her to keep her homosexuality to herself. In addition to telling the star player to watch what she posted on Twitter, Griner says that Mulkey also told her to keep “her business quiet.”

Since Baylor is both a Christian university and includes the following in their Statement on Human Sexuality, it’s no surprise that Griner’s sexuality was an issue.

Baylor University welcomes all students into a safe and supportive environment in which to discuss and learn about a variety of issues, including those of human sexuality. The University affirms the biblical understanding of sexuality as a gift from God. Christian churches across the ages and around the world have affirmed purity in singleness and fidelity in marriage between a man and a woman as the biblical norm. Temptations to deviate from this norm include both heterosexual sex outside of marriage and homosexual behavior. It is thus expected that Baylor students will not participate in advocacy groups which promote understandings of sexuality that are contrary to biblical teaching.

Even though the school makes it crystal clear where they stand on same-sex relationships, the fact that Griner’s coach and others knew about her sexuality and tried to hide it so they could utilize her talents was frustrating for the young star.

“The more I think about it, the more I feel like the people who run the school want it both ways: they want to keep the policy, so they can keep selling themselves as a Christian university, but they are more than happy to benefit from the success of their gay athletes,” Griner said in her book. “That is, as long as those gay athletes don’t talk about being gay.”


After staying quiet about her sexual orientation for four years, Griner came out to the public in April of 2013, right after being selected number one in the WNBA Draft.

And, after being told to watch what she posted online all those years, Griner has since become very open about her sexuality on Twitter:

Despite having to hide her sexuality for so long, Brittney Griner doesn’t have any ill feelings towards Mulkey or Baylor University. Griner says she wouldn’t change her decision to attend Baylor, even with the knowledge that she would have to conceal her homosexuality. Even though Griner loves her university, she doesn’t see herself becoming an ambassador anytime soon, though.

“I would love to be an ambassador for Baylor, to show my school pride, but it’s hard to do that,” Griner said. “I’ve spent too much of my life being made to feel like there’s something wrong with me. And no matter how much support I felt as a basketball player at Baylor, it still doesn’t erase all the pain I felt there.”



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 21, 2014, 04:11:00 am
Minister Claims He Received ‘Strong Nudge from Jesus’ to Announce Support for Homosexuality

A Vineyard minister in Michigan is claiming that he received a ‘strong nudge from Jesus’ a few years ago to announce his changing views on homosexuality—a topic that he is now discussing in a new book about embracing homosexuals in the Church.

“It’s about welcoming previously excluded groups,” Ken Wilson Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor recently told the Detroit Free Press. “That’s what it means to be evangelical—to make the good news accessible to those who haven’t had access to it. That’s my task. That’s what a church is supposed to do.”

Wilson, 62, states that he had opposed homosexuality for much of his life, including when he launched the church in the 1970′s. However, with the turn of the century, his views began to change as he discussed the matter with members whose family members were homosexual.

Wilson claims that in 2011, God told him to write a letter to his congregation to explain that he was rethinking his position on homosexuality.

“I got a strong nudge from Jesus,” he asserted.

Last month, Wilson released A Letter to my Congregation: An Evangelical Pastor’s Path to Embracing People who are Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Into the Company of Jesus. He told the Detroit Free Press that while he ”take[ s] the Bible very seriously,” he does not believe that it prohibits sexual relations between those of the same gender.

“There’s no real indication monogamous, gay partnerships were the aim of the Biblical texts, but there were some very clearly examples of exploitative same-sex sexuality, like temple prostitution or slave sex, masters requiring slaves to perform sexual services as part of their ownership of them,” he stated. “The Sodom and Gomorrah story is about gang ****. It’s not about anything like loving monogamous relationships. To apply that to the issue of homosexuality is a gross misuse of Scripture.”

But Pastor Matt Trewhella of Mercy Seat Christian Church in Milwaukee, Wisconsin told Christian News Network that it is instead Wilson who is misusing Scripture.

“These have become tired old assertions trotted out by the pro-sodomy crowd,” he said. “Leviticus 20:13, which criminalizes homosexual acts in God’s law, is surrounded by verses which list other sexual sins, none of which have anything to do with temple prostitution, slave sex or gang ****. Of the many passages in the New Testament that condemn homosexual acts, not one of them mentions temple prostitution, or slave sex or gang ****. What is criminalized or condemned are homosexual acts themselves.”

Trewhella stated that it is “utter delusion” that Wilson received a “strong nudge from Jesus” to come out in support of homosexuality as Jesus, the Creator Himself, explained that the woman was made for the man.

“His ‘strong nudge’ contradicts everything the Bible has to say about marriage and homosexual acts, including Jesus Himself who declared in Mark 10:6-7, ‘But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,’” he outlined.

Wilson has lost a number of members over his stance, equating to a 12 percent drop in income. He says that his denomination is also unsupportive of his position.

http://christiannews.net/2014/04/20/minister-claims-he-received-strong-nudge-from-jesus-to-announce-support-for-homosexuality/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 21, 2014, 07:18:51 am
A Shameful Day in Evangelical Christian Publishing

For many years now, publishers have been releasing books that claim the Bible does not oppose committed homosexual relationships. That is nothing new. But it is a sad and shameful day when a major Christian publisher releases such a book and claims that it is a solid evangelical publication. This is abhorrent, disgraceful and terribly misleading. And it needs to be addressed and exposed.

But first, the background to the story.

In 2012, a young man named Matthew Vines, who professes to be a “gay Christian,” released a video of his talk about the Bible and homosexuality, and it quickly went viral. His demeanor was engaging and his appeal to the Scriptures very serious, but for those who know the Word well, there was nothing in the least bit persuasive in his presentation. In fact, it underscored just how impossible it is to use the Bible to justify any form of homosexual acts or to sanctify intimate homosexual relationships.

The impossibility of Matthew’s position was further emphasized when my colleague, the well-known apologist James White, put out a series of YouTube videos that thoroughly rebutted Vines’ video. And both White and I have offered to debate Matthew and any colleague he would choose, but to date, there has been no response, although we’re still hoping that a debate (or a series of debates) will take place.

There has also been a good amount of publicity over the last few months announcing the publication of Matthew’s book, God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships, which, through no intentional planning on my part or my publisher’s, is due to be released two weeks before my own book, Can You Be Gay and Christian? Responding With Love and Truth to Questions About Homosexuality. (I sincerely hope that readers of his book will take the time to read mine as well.)

But here is the disturbing news. The book is being published by Convergent Books, which is part of a publishing conglomerate that includes the much-respected evangelical publishing group WaterBrook Multnomah (also sharing some of the same staff). And the chief executive of the company, Stephen W. Cobb, is vigorously defending his choice to publish the book. In fact, he is making an extraordinary effort to publicize it and claiming that it is thoroughly evangelical.

Have we totally lost our bearings as the people of God? Are we now debating the undebatable and trying to sanction the unsanctionable?

The WaterBrook Multnomah group publishes books by authors like John Piper, Chuck Swindoll, Ravi Zacharias, David Jeremiah, Randy Alcorn, David Platt and Bill Gothard, and now its sister publisher is releasing a purported evangelical book defending homosexuality? (This is not being written on April 1 as some kind of April Fool’s joke. I am being dead serious.)

Responding to an investigative piece written by Christian attorney Matt Barber, Cobb explains that his company is publishing the book “because [they] believe it offers a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships from a bold, young, evangelical writer whose first calling is to promote a civil, loving, and biblically based conversation on the subject.”

What?

Certainly, the tone of the book is meant to be civil, and it does attempt to interact with the Scriptures, although, to emphasize this again, you can no more use the Bible to legitimize homosexual relationships than you can use it to legitimize adultery. But to describe the author as “a bold, young, evangelical writer” is to make the word evangelical utterly meaningless.

It would be like speaking of a fine, conservative Catholic author whose new book questioned the office of the pope, or of an excellent, Orthodox Jewish author whose latest volume explained how pork was kosher. It is just as laughable (or, really, lamentable) to speak of “a bold, young, evangelical writer” whose book attempts to make a biblical case for same-sex relationships. Talk about turning truth upside down.

To be sure, I personally own a large number of books written by professing “gay Christians,” including The Queer Bible Commentary and Holy Homosexuals, so I’m familiar with the arguments. And I’ve interacted face to face with professing “gay Christians,” most of whom seemed extremely sincere.

In fact, in my own book, I do my best to introduce readers to the very real, personal struggles experienced by people with same-sex attractions who want to follow Jesus, and it is something that has driven me to my knees in prayer, often with real brokenness and even tears of intercession for them.

The travesty here is for Cobb, the head of both WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent (an imprint for “less traditional Christians,” which is quite an understatement), to choose to publish this book, then to defend that choice, then to present Matthew Vines as an evangelical, and then to go all out with a publicity campaign to promote the book. (Cobb writes, “We have extensive marketing and publicity campaigns in place, with which we hope to reach the widest possible readership.”)

As I note in my book, there are “no new textual, archeological, sociological, anthropological, or philological discoveries [that] have been made in the last fifty years that would cause us to read any of these biblical texts differently. Put another way, it is not that we have gained some new insights into what the biblical text means based on the study of the Hebrew and Greek texts. Instead, people’s interaction with the LGBT community has caused them to understand the biblical text differently.”

The point is that nothing has changed in terms of what Scripture teaches, which is why almost no one through the centuries has thought to use the Bible to sanction homosexual relationships—that is, until our day, and this is simply the fruit of the sexual revolution of the 1960s, not the fruit of dramatic new insights that would cause us to turn the Bible on its head.

And that’s why there are fine Christians today who still struggle with same-sex attractions but who renounce them as contrary to God’s plan and who live holy, separated lives, enjoying a full and robust relationship with the Lord without homosexual activities and same-sex romantic connections.

In short, those who want to revise biblical sexuality and morality have moved away from the Word of God, and if they have any sense of integrity, they need to renounce their claim to be evangelicals—and that includes Cobb, if he personally claims to be one—and say, “We are liberal Christians who no longer hold to the authority of Scripture, because of which we embrace homosexual relationships.”

In refusing to do so, they have muddied the waters of the faith, brought reproach on the gospel, further confused a very lost society, and become propagators of deception in the church. And they will answer to God for all this one day.

As things stand now, the same publishing conglomerate that released books by an evangelical author like Joshua Harris with titles and subtitles like I Kissed Dating Goodbye and Sexual Purity in a Lust-Saturated World is releasing a book championing the idea that God blesses two men (or women) having sex with each other as long as they are committed.

This is madness.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/43537-a-shameful-day-in-evangelical-christian-publishing


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 21, 2014, 11:07:02 am
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“There’s no real indication monogamous, gay partnerships were the aim of the Biblical texts, but there were some very clearly examples of exploitative same-sex sexuality, like temple prostitution or slave sex, masters requiring slaves to perform sexual services as part of their ownership of them,” he stated. “The Sodom and Gomorrah story is about gang ****. It’s not about anything like loving monogamous relationships. To apply that to the issue of homosexuality is a gross misuse of Scripture.”

And it's these very false perverted versions that REPLACE sodomites with this very word(temple prostitution) - ultimately, we see the where the poisonous root source IS.


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Post by: Mark on April 22, 2014, 08:18:07 am
Can A Divided Publishing House Stand?

 You can be gay and Christian: That’s the message of a book due out next week from a publishing group known until now for its evangelical worldview. But the book will emerge from a new imprint designed to allow the publishing house to avoid alienating its evangelical market.

Convergent Books, a publishing imprint under the same corporate umbrella and leadership as the evangelical WaterBrook Multnomah Publishing Group, is scheduled to release God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vinesnext Tuesday. Vines, a 24-year-old former Harvard student, attempts to refute biblical passages that declare homosexuality a sin.

WaterBrook Multnomah, known for its best-selling Christian titles such as John Piper’s Desiring God and books by evangelical authors David Jeremiah and Kay Arthur, began as the printing arm of Multnomah Bible College in Portland, Ore. But mainstream secular publisher Penguin Random House now owns the imprint and groups it under the same corporate umbrella, Crown Publishing Group, as Convergent.

Stephen W. Cobb, who heads up both WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent out of the publishing group’s Colorado Springs, Colo., offices, told me Tuesday that Convergent’s audience is “actively exploring and practicing faith and framing that faith in Christian terms, but they’re very open in their approach to issues that face the church today, and they really defy conventional labels.”

The most visible link between WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent is Cobb himself, who said he makes the final decision to publish each imprint’s books, including God and the Gay Christian.

“Books will publish in the Convergent imprint that I could not have considered for publication prior to [the new imprint’s] creation, because [the books] would just not have been appropriate for the established audience of Multnomah or WaterBrook,” he said.

Cobb attempted to put an imaginary cushion between evangelical Christians—including some of WaterBrook Multnomah’s authors—and others who would give credence to Vines’ justification of homosexuality.

“Generally speaking, I wouldn’t expect a Multnomah reader to be drawn to a Convergent title,” he said, pointing out that books published under the WaterBrook Multnomah imprint, such as Out of a Far Country by Christopher and Angela Yuan, offer contrary “points of view” that defend a straightforward interpretation of the Bible’s teaching against homosexuality.

Though Cobb insisted he has no agenda to change the way the church views homosexuality, his attitude recasts a showdown between truth and heresy as a mere debate between equally plausible positions. World Vision U.S. president Richard Stearns made a similar argument when he announced a change in his company’s hiring policy to include employees in same-sex marriages. He insisted to Christianity Today that World Vision was not taking a stand for or against gay marriage, but rather striving for unity on a divisive issue. Evangelical leaders didn’t accept his position, and World Vision’s board of directors rescinded the change.

“Don’t say, ‘Hath God said?’ and then tell us you’re doing it to advance the gospel and the unity of the church,”wrote Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, in response to World Vision’s change.

Cobb acknowledged that God and the Gay Christian contradicts the teachings of books he has published in the past. To his knowledge, he said, Vines’ book was the first published by the four imprints he oversees that arrives at the conclusion that a person can practice homosexuality with the acceptance and approval of God.

Will Vines’ book be the first of many from Convergent to challenge orthodox biblical beliefs? I asked Cobb where he would draw the line in publishing books that oppose evangelical beliefs.

“Matthew believes in the inerrancy and the divinity and the correctness of Scripture,” he responded. “He believes it is God’s inspired Word. I have seen things, proposals have crossed my desk that the author does not have that core belief. … I want to believe that every book that publishes on my watch, whichever imprint it publishes in, is biblically based and developed credibly.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/news/can-a-divided-publishing-house-stand.html


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 22, 2014, 09:09:36 am
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Though Cobb insisted he has no agenda to change the way the church views homosexuality, his attitude recasts a showdown between truth and heresy as a mere debate between equally plausible positions. World Vision U.S. president Richard Stearns made a similar argument when he announced a change in his company’s hiring policy to include employees in same-sex marriages. He insisted to Christianity Today that World Vision was not taking a stand for or against gay marriage, but rather striving for unity on a divisive issue. Evangelical leaders didn’t accept his position, and World Vision’s board of directors rescinded the change.

And THAT'S where they are playing this crafty Hegelian Dialectic game - in order to get everyone worn out over even thinking about it at the end of the day.


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Post by: Mark on April 23, 2014, 10:28:55 pm
Reformation Or Revolution? A Review Of God And The Gay Christian

April 23, 2014 | Andrew Walker
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Imagine a book with a thesis that calls into question 2,000 years of established Christian theology and biblical exegesis. It recasts basic principles of biblical anthropology and human embodiment. It also puts two millennia of faithful obedience to divine revelation on the side of injustice and ignorance. Now, Christians are accustomed to either non-Christians or liberal Christians making claims of this nature, but not from individuals supposedly nestled confidently within the evangelical camp.

This week a book making such claims is hitting bookshelves written by a young author named Matthew Vines.

Readers may not be familiar with Matthew Vines. But you will need to know him, for the movement he is leading aims to change the way the evangelical church thinks about human sexuality. At the very least, his work will help advance the coming rupture in the evangelical church at large over issues of sexuality.

Vines is a former Harvard student whose 2012 video taking aim at the Bible’s teachings on homosexuality went viral. Raised in a conservative evangelical home, Vines struggled with his sexuality while attending Harvard. Finally admitting his same-sex attraction, he came out as gay, left school, returned home, and devoted himself to studying all that the Bible teaches on homosexuality. He emerged from his study convinced that loving and committed same-sex relationships are consistent with the Bible and evangelical faith.

He has not only come to terms with faithful homosexual relationships, Vines has become an activist determined to alter the church’s long-held belief that homosexual conduct is sinful. Vines’ organization, “The Reformation Project,” has one, clear, unmistakable goal in mind: to see the Christian church affirm homosexual relationships. His new book, God and the Gay Christian, is the first step in a larger effort to fundamentally recast long-held, universally acknowledged norms pertaining to sexual ethics.

What makes Vines’ book unique is that Vines does not consider himself a theological liberal. He proudly brandishes the identity of a conservative evangelical, claiming to uphold the authority of Bible, affirming its full inspiration and authority. Throughout the book, he quotes John Piper and Tim Keller, thus signaling his evangelical bona fides.

In the marketing materials for God and the Gay Christian, Vines is a theological wunderkind having found the formula for making biblical authority and homosexuality compatible. Vines no doubt believes the authenticity and sincerity of his interpretation and indeed, that is where the heart of this book resides. As the reader soon discovers, Vines doesn’t believe the error in understanding homosexuality is found within the Scriptures, but in our interpretation.

Along these very lines, he cites Galileo’s embattlement with the Catholic Church to help justify the new rationale he’s advocating. Like Vines, Galileo wasn’t advocating the abandonment of Scripture, but certain interpretations of Scripture in light of new discoveries about the universe. For Galileo, it was a heliocentric universe. For Vines, it’s the recognition that homosexuality according to our modern understanding is morally praiseworthy. He writes: “My larger argument is this: Christians who affirm the full authority of Scripture can also affirm committed, monogamous same-sex relationships” (3). He attempts to maintain an evangelical account of biblical authority while attributing error to reader interpretation. What I hope to show in this review is that the integrity of Vines’ interpretation is an anomaly unfitting for evangelical consumption or approval.

A few comments are needed, however, about the timing and context of this book.

If I were mapping a playbook for the gay rights movement, this book is an important point in the strategy. It has to be written in order to introduce confusion within the evangelical firmament, one of the last remaining constituencies in America that has not embraced homosexuality with gusto. This book need not be 100 percent compelling or accurate in order to succeed. All that needs to happen for Vines to claim victory is for his readers to be confused and not necessarily convinced of his argument.

Vines will have succeeded in re-fashioning evangelicalism in his image by allowing sexuality to be treated hermeneutically akin to baptism or the Lord’s Supper. If Vines can blur the lines of interpretation, such that evangelicals can rest at ease with “disagreement at how best to interpret Scripture on sexuality,” he will have succeeded. If he can convince evangelicals that sexuality is an issue that can be reduced to secondary status, such as the mode of baptism or the proper form of church governance, his efforts will have succeeded. That’s what makes this book so pernicious: It’s primed to strike at a time when many evangelical Christians are looking for a way to bail on historic Christian teachings on sexuality—because it makes us culturally foreign and estranged, unsophisticated, non-cosmopolitan, and—gasp—unpopular.

Indeed, if I were a mega-church pastor who stood to gain or lose on this issue and I was wanting to bypass the contentious debate on homosexuality and same-sex marriage, God and the Gay Christian is the book I’d look to and handout to members of my church.

It’s rather appalling that Vines’ organization is called “The Reformation Project,” a title synonymous with the movement of Martin Luther, because there’s a simple, yet glaring error in how he understands the reference to “Reformation.” Luther never believed the church had been in error from its beginning. He wasn’t calling for the rejection of long-held beliefs; instead, Luther was reaffirming the faith “once and for all delivered to the saints.” Vines, in contrast, is calling for Revolution, the type consistent with the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Vines believes the church has been wrong for 2,000 years.

The early Church Fathers—wrong. Augustine—wrong. The Roman Catholic Church—wrong. Luther, Calvin—all wrong. But I wonder if Vines is willing to accept the alternative—that he’s wrong? Here are the stakes of this book: If Vines is right, the Christian Church must repudiate its long-held teaching. But if Vines is wrong, he isn’t just leading people down the path of error; he’s leading people down the path to hell by denying that homosexual sin needs to be repented of.

Summary

If I was to condense the substance of Vines’ book, here’s what is happening: Vines has compiled liberal biblical scholarship and popularized it for a non-technical audience. Let me be clear: Vines is not advancing new arguments. In fact, his work draws largely from existing gay-affirming scholarship. Vines is making liberal scholarship accessible for common audiences and then compounding its effect by bringing in the emotionally laden context of our times.

Space prevents me from working through a thorough chapter-by-chapter synopsis and the arguments he cites with each relevant text, though resources to counteract his hermeneutical errors will be provided. I would, however, like to hit upon four significant arguments that Vines advocates and considers central in each chapter of his book. These theses form the basis of his interaction and criticisms of the six “clobber passages” in Scripture that condemn homosexuality. What Vines does is filter each of the six passages through his hermeneutical grid, thus allowing him to say that the Bible intends or can be adapted to communicate his point of view, but got lost in a sea of misunderstanding and bigotry.

There are four main theses of God and the Gay Christian. I’ll explain each thesis separately and then provide interaction in a following section.

Thesis 1: Vines believes the historic position that the church has held on homosexuality leads to “bad fruit” in the lives of homosexuals.

Drawing off imagery used by Jesus, Vines insist that only practices that enrich a person’s life meet the criteria of “good fruit.” Hence, the historic Christian position that celibacy and chastity is expected for all those with same-sex attraction is considered “bad fruit,” because it consigns would-be committed, loving same-sex couples to a life of separation, psychological duress, and unrequited love.

His sexuality made him uncomfortable with the Bible’s prohibition on homosexuality and he began “losing confidence in the belief that same-sex relationships are sinful: it no longer made sense” (12). He continues: “As I became more aware of same-sex relationships, I could not understand why they were supposed to be sinful, or why the Bible apparently condemned them. With most sins, it wasn’t hard to pinpoint the damage they cause. Adultery violates a commitment to your spouse. Lust objectifies others. Gossip degrades people. But committed same-sex relationships did not easily fit that pattern. Not only were they not harmful to anyone, they seemed to be characterized by positive motives and traits instead, like faithfulness, commitment, mutual love, and self-sacrifice” (13).

So, for Vines, “If something bears bad fruit, it cannot be a good tree. And if something bears good fruit, it cannot be a bad tree” (15). Homosexual relationships, for Vines, bear good fruit.

It is important to recognize here that Vines’ a priori assumption brings a moral category to the Bible itself without first subjecting one’s moral assumptions to the text itself.

Thesis 2: The world of the Bible does not speak to the issue of a modern and comprehensive understanding of sexual orientation.

Says Vines:

“Same-sex behavior in the first century was not understood to be the expression of an exclusive sexual orientation. It was understood as excess on the part of those who could easily be content with heterosexual relationships, but who went beyond them in search of more exotic pleasures” (129).

“The Bible does not directly address the issue of same-sex orientation—or the expression of that orientation. While its six references to same-sex behavior are negative, the concept of same-sex behavior is sexual excess, not sexual orientation. What’s more, the main reason that non-affirming Christians believe the Bible’s statements should apply to all same-sex relationships—men and women’s anatomical complementarity—is not mentioned in any of the passages” (133).

Thesis 3: The Bible speaks without any reference to the modern knowledge of faithful, loving, and committed same-sex couples.

Pertaining to Romans 1, Vines says that Paul omits all references to “love, fidelity, monogamy, or commitment. So should we understand Paul’s words to apply to all same-sex relationships, or only to lustful, fleeting ones? How we answer that question has profound implication for our conversation in this book. If there is a substantial difference between the type of behavior Paul condemned and the intimate, committed relationships of gay Christians, then he has not relegated our gay friends and loved ones to the proverbial dustbin. But if his moral objection in Romans 1 was not primarily about lustfulness, but about the anatomical complementarity of men and women intended by ‘nature,’ then that rationale would extend to all same-sex relationships” (102).

Vines believes that Paul is condemning sexual acts based on “excess passion.”

Thesis 4: The patriarchal context within the world of the Bible explains the prohibitions against homosexuality.

Vines writes about “Customary and Uncustomary Gender Roles,” saying:

“In the ancient world, if a man took the active role in sex, his behavior was deemed ‘natural.’ But if he took the passive role, he was derided for engaging in ‘unnatural sex.’ The opposite was true for women: Sexual passivity was termed ‘natural,’ while sexual dominance was ‘unnatural.’ Same-sex relations challenged those beliefs about nature and sex by putting a male in the passive role or a female in the active role. That inversion of accepted gender roles, combined with the non-procreative character of same-sex unions, is why ancient writers called same-sex behavior ‘unnatural’” (111).

He continues: “These texts show how the terms ‘natural’ and ‘unnatural’ were used in ancient writings. They were not synonyms for ‘straight’ and ‘gay.’ They were boundary markers between what did and did not conform to customary gender roles in a patriarchal context” (112).

Gender roles, Vines argues, issue from a patriarchal worldview evident throughout antiquity and within the world of the Bible. In a time where women were seen as inferior to men, it would be wrong for a man to place himself in the passive and thus, female, role in sex. This thesis allows for Vines to see Scripture prohibiting excess lust and passion, not a normative condemnation of homosexuality itself. He says that the argument against homosexuality based on “nature” and “anatomical complementarity” as evidenced in the work of Robert Gagnon is “speculative” (114). So according to Vines, Scripture does not condemn homosexuality, what it actually condemns—by way of patriarchy—is a man mimicking a women’s role in sex. Had Paul had a modern understanding of sexual orientation, Vines believes the Scripture’s narrative arc would lead toward condoning and celebrating homosexuality and “marriage equality.”

Aside from offering personal biography peppered with a highly unusual concept of celibacy, Vines spends the middle section of his book addressing and correcting what he sees are wrong interpretations of the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality. Vines presents the offending text, offers rebuttal from liberal scholarship, and then weaves in either one or all theses mentioned above. He concludes that the church throughout the ages has been, ostensibly, “on the wrong side of history” when it comes to biblical interpretation.

What one will observe is that refashioning of texts condemning homosexual conduct also requires Vines to refashion central themes of the entire Bible. For example, he is forced to render established principles such as the complementarity of human physiology and anatomical complementarity as irrelevant to the Bible’s teaching on sexuality and marriage. He is forced to extinguish the significance of Ephesians 5 from its immediate context. [1] Vines writes,

“So according to Ephesians, gender difference is not necessary to become one flesh in Bible’s understanding of those words. What is necessary is that two lives are joined in the context of a binding covenant” (148).

A similar move is made in his re-interpretation of Romans 1 and Genesis 1-3. Vines is forced to advance untenable and awkward interpretations that wreak havoc on the text’s authorial clarity—that God’s creation of male and female is somehow not uniquely orientated around biological difference, but rather “covenant keeping.” And, ostensibly, Jesus must be wrong in affirming the creational structure of marriage in Matthew 19:4-6. And this is the key problem with Vines’ project: To accept his arguments, one has to question almost the entire narrative of Christianity’s most basic teachings—marriage, human embodiment, biblical anthropology, etc. Vines’ interpretations require that we overturn two millennia of church teaching.

Interaction

For saying he has a high view of the authority of Scripture, Vines is wholly dependent on scholars and books that are no respecters of biblical authority. He has drawn exclusively from a pool of scholars stalwartly liberal and hostile to evangelical hermeneutics. What Vines has done is put together a piecemeal re-telling of liberal hermeneutics for a lay-level readers.

First, Vines’ interaction with conservative scholarship is specious. While he likely has read and interacted with individuals such as Robert Gagnon, he did not elucidate any clear interaction with heavyweight scholarship such as Gagnon in the book. Dismissively, at one point Vines calls Gagnon’s work “speculative” on the issue of creation and human nature, something that cannot be done against the weight of evidence in The Bible and Homosexual Practice, what many consider the definitive work on the topic.

But as to the larger aspects of his four main arguments, responding to Vines can be done in tandem.

It becomes apparent from the introduction that Vines’ basic thesis regarding orientation is not derived from the text of Scripture. Rather, the moral force of his argument in favor of legitimizing homosexual desire is used to explain away the text. Which is to say, he’s relying on some other authority for his basic claim—namely, an extra-textual moral authority that neither the history of scriptural interpretation nor church history considers valid. This is evidenced immediately by way of his appeal to “good fruit” and “bad fruit.” Vines does not appeal to the actual exegesis of this imagery in Scripture, but rather employs it in order to enact a moral pronouncement based on a lived and subjective experience. Vines’ argument is first a moral presupposition, followed by a belief that the Scriptures could affirm homosexuality based on the cavalier exegesis and theological interpretation he offers.

Let’s examine Vines’ second assumption: The Bible is silent on “sexual orientation.”

First, just because the biblical authors may not have elucidated an understanding of sexual orientation in modern terms, it does not mean that they didn’t have at least some recognition that individuals of their time were expressively and uniformly homosexual. This is the point that Gagnon makes in his work.

Gagnon has showed convincingly in his volume that New Testament writers like Paul wrote in a context that “could not have been unaware of the existence of men whose sexual desire was oriented exclusively toward other males.”[2] Gagnon cites multiple classical sources that demonstrate this familiarity. To insist, as Vines does, that a classical Greek like Paul would have lacked this understanding lacks warrant itself. Vines merely assumes that Paul could not have familiarity with this concept, despite classical sources proving otherwise. Vines nowhere proves that Paul lacked familiarity with men interested in homosexual relations only. Moreover, an argument in favor of orientation and against conduct is a bifurcation read into the text.

Scripture may not have a highly developed explanation for the modern categories of same-sex attraction such that is a now an “orientation.” In one sense, it’s anachronistic to read our time back into Paul’s. But Paul was not ignorant. He was a man of his times, steeped in the soaring intellectual arguments of his day. He was also infused with the Spirit of God to author what he did. A well-developed understanding of “orientation” in modern terms does not mean that a semblance of this feature is absent from Scripture. What Scripture does unequivocally prohibit and consider sinful, however, is the manifestation of these desires in homosexual sex. Working backwards, it seems sensible to conclude that if the branch (homosexual sex) is considered falling short of God’s intended sexual design, so too is the root (homosexual attraction/desire/attraction).

Liberal scholar William Loader—who is in favor of same-sex marriage—has acknowledged similar claims in his book The New Testament on Sexuality.

Loader states that Paul’s indictment of homosexual relations in Romans 1:26-27 “included, but [was] by no means limited to exploitative pederasty,” “sexual abuse of male slaves,” or “same-sex acts … performed within idolatrous ritual contexts” (325). “Without differentiation he condemns all with such sexual attitudes and desires” (326). Same-sex relationships in the Greco-Roman world “could include lifelong consensual adult partnerships” (324). “It is inconceivable that [Paul] would approve of any same-sex acts if, as we must assume, he affirmed the prohibitions of Leviticus 18:22; 20:13 as fellow Jews of his time understood them” (322). Again, “it is also hard to imagine that Paul would approach [issues of homosexual practice] without awareness of the prohibition of same-sex relations in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, which had come to be applied to both men and women” (314).

This is a devastating blow to Vines’ entire argument. Indeed, the hinge of Vines’ argument is really whether Paul and the Bible have a comprehensive understanding of human sexuality vaguely reminiscent of “sexual orientation.” The question of gay identity is superfluous from the condemnation of acts that issue from a gay identity.

As to Vines’ third and fourth theses, he writes that Paul is in fact writing within a patriarchal worldview and views the female sexual role as unfitting for a male to perform. But there’s an authorial intent question at play, one especially relevant to questions of biblical inspiration: Doesn’t Paul still have the right to say, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that sodomitical acts—whether lustful or monogamous—are wrong; that a man should not penetrate another man in a way that chafes against sexual design, regardless of a patriarchal context? Vines assumes that it could only be patriarchy that accounts for a condemnation of sodomy, something that he infers and does not exhaustively demonstrate. What Vines ignores is that even loving, committed, and monogamous homosexuals are engaged in a sexual act that Paul finds contrary to sexual design. That Paul would enlist sodomitical acts as a particularly vivid illustration of human rebellion in Romans 1, it seems compelling that the repugnance that Paul displays is characteristic of all sodomitical acts, lustful or monogamous.

Gagnon writes:

The description of excess passion was a way of demeaning a desire that on other grounds had already been evaluated as abominable; otherwise, how would the author know to characterize the passion as excess? In other words, the characterization of homosexual desire as excessive lust is incidental or supplementary to a prior revulsion toward such conduct.[3]

If Vines’ thesis about sexual orientation is knocked down (and we have historical and textual evidence that it should be) his other arguments fall as well. For if homosexuality—whether in orientation or in practice—is considered a disordered passion, then commitment and monogamy are irrelevant. And so is the question of patriarchy. If Paul is correct in holding to a sexual teleology inherited from a Jewish worldview that saw sodomy as inherently sinful, charges that Paul viewed women as somehow inferior is sublimated under the larger concern that men should not be performing deviant sexual acts—not because they shouldn’t be acting like women, but because anatomical structure was not designed with such actions in mind. Again, one can accept Vines’ argument only if he’s argued convincingly against other themes such as “one flesh” and “nature,” which he has not.[4]

Every issue related to sexual and anatomical complementarity is done only in the context of charges of patriarchy. He simply does not posit any meaningful interaction about the anatomical difference of male and female. For Vines, the Bible cannot posit positive teaching about the significance of male and female embodiment, for if it does, it chafes against his argument. Additionally, questions about human embodiment and sexual architecture are simply missing. From this vantage point, procreation is merely ancillary to the biblical drama that promises salvation through a procreative vehicle (Gen. 3:15).

Throughout the volume I found myself having to willfully suspend disbelief in order to accept his hermeneutics. That’s not because I’ve been immersed in evangelical interpretations such that I’ve become immune from finding liberal arguments compelling, but simply because the interpretations Vines offers are, simply, bizarre.

Vines may read this review and reply, “That’s what I’m saying, the Bible is far more complex on these issues than supposedly ‘settled interpretation’ would have one think.” But this belies a key fault at play in Vines’ work: There are credible and overwhelming amounts of biblical scholarship confirming the traditional biblical interpretation concerning homosexuality. What Vines does is use a set of moral assumptions, insisting that those moral assumptions have to be accounted for, and then finds a way to explain away what the text seems to be saying on the surface. The question for him therefore becomes: What is the basis for this moral assumption that homosexual acts are morally legitimate?

If we account for the Bible’s traditional teaching on homosexuality being correct (and we have exegetical and historic evidence to suggest it is), Vines has two options: 1) To abandon the Bible’s authority, thus negating his evangelical credibility; or 2) Be at peace with representing a minority opinion within biblical scholarship, an opinion that goes against settled scholarship that both liberals and conservatives accept. It seems best to suggest that Vines take “option 1” and admit his disavowal of biblical authority.

But there’s a question that left me with an ache about this book. Matthew Vines is clear that homosexuality and homosexual marriage are to be embraced and celebrated in the life of the church. But here’s my question: If something so vital to Christian theology and human existence has been left ignored and so patently in error, how did it get left out until now? Why should we believe that the church is wrong, now, on issues like sexuality? If there were an opportunity for same-sex marriage and homosexuals to be given its equal place, wouldn’t it have been given its place already—especially in a far more homoerotic culture such as Greek and Roman culture? If we can’t trust the church’s history of interpretation on such things as sexuality, what can we trust it with?

Conclusion

It is likely that Matthew Vines will read this review. As I wrote it, I thought to myself, what would I tell Matthew if we were to sit down over coffee and discuss his book?

First, I would tell him that I love him, and that he’s deserving of dignity and respect as an image bearer of God. I would apologize to him for what I can only assume are the countless insensitivities and insults he’s experienced as a same-sex attracted person. I would also apologize to Matthew for the pat, unhelpful answers and rejection he’s received from Christians who don’t know how to speak about homosexuality.

Secondly, I would give him a copy of Wesley Hill’s book. I would point him toward the testimony and work of my friend Sam Allberry’s book and heroic ministry, Living Out. I would tell him of Rosaria Butterfield, whose testimony is a witness to the power of the gospel. I would be honest and tell him that these ministries provide more hopeful, and holistic narratives.

Third, because I love and respect him, I would be compelled to tell him that he’s deceived. He’s believed the lie that homosexuality will prosper his life. Fourth, I would implore Matthew to repent of a book designed to cast a shadow of suspicion and doubt about the Scripture’s teaching on sexuality. Fifth, I would exhort him to a path of discipleship with incalculable unknowns—unknown difficulties I will not experience and can only sympathize with. But I will commend him to set his desires before the cross, knowing that Jesus is better than any desire we think needs satisfied; that Jesus is better than marriage, than children, than sexual fulfillment itself. I would tell him about costly obedience. I would tell him about radical self-abandonment, something I imperfectly attempt each day. I would tell him the story of the Rich Young Ruler, reprised for today, and reframed around the issue of sexuality. I would tell him that the gospel subverts the very points at which we say, “Yes, Lord, but…”

Pastoral Considerations

What follows are abbreviated points on why pastors should be aware and ready for this book to spark conversations amongst their members.

The book subverts how Lordship and sexuality are inextricably bound.

It casts a shadow on the clarity and rationality of the Bible’s teaching on sexuality.

The authority Vines insists upon casts a shadow over the heroic testimonies of those who have gone above and beyond their sexual desires.

For saying he has a high authority of Scripture, Vines has marshaled evidence from authors and volumes that do not.

Vines does not clarify that while not all individuals may be called to a life of celibacy, all individuals without a spouse are called to exercise sexual chastity.

The book drives a wedge between our design and desire. According to a biblical template, our sexual desires should be oriented to how God intends human sexuality to function. A sentiment underneath Vines’ argument is this: “If it feels good, do it.” Vines makes the claim that an expectation of celibacy has evidence of bearing “bad fruit,” and thus, cannot be accepted. The problem, however, is that this idea assumes any innate attraction or desire must be acted upon in accordance with a person’s will. A proper evaluation, however, would understand that “innateness” is not a normative ethical category worthy of adoption.

Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/April23/233.html#62tio3esGdOyeskP.99


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 23, 2014, 10:31:45 pm
All you need to know about Matthew Vines.

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That is Matthew Vines, he knows what he is doing, and he takes pleasure from it and he will burn for it.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 23, 2014, 10:38:37 pm
All you need to know about Matthew Vines.

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

That is Matthew Vines, he knows what he is doing, and he takes pleasure from it and he will burn for it.

That and the love of money - ultimately, money WILL blind you!


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 25, 2014, 05:38:31 am
No, Pastor, Jesus Did Not Tell You to Support Homosexuality

Over the years, I’ve heard prophets say God told them all manner of goofy things. (Don’t get me started ... ) But a Vineyard pastor in Michigan may take the prize.

Ken Wilson, 62, told the Detroit Free Press that when he was young, he viewed lesbians, gays and transgenders as “criminals, perverts or homos.” When he planted his church in the 1970s, he refused to allow sexually active gays.

But somewhere along the line, Wilson, pastor of Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor in Michigan, had a change of heart. Finally, in 2011, he told the Free Press, he “got a strong nudge from Jesus” to share his new heart on gay issues.

Now he goes down in evangelical history as perhaps the first pastor of a large church to come out of the closest in support of gays. And his timing is certainly ripe for publicity, given the heated debate over gay marriage in Michigan these days.

“It’s about welcoming previously excluded groups,” Wilson told the Free Press. “That’s what it means to be evangelical—to make the good news accessible to those who haven’t had access to it. That’s my task. That’s what a church is supposed to do.”

Of course, the Vineyard movement’s leadership didn’t get a nudge from Jesus to agree with him. Wilson admits the denomination does not support him. Some people in his own church, the paper reports, have stopped sowing into the ministry as Wilson has become more vocal about embracing the LGBT community.

When you read this, you might understand why:

“I take the Bible very seriously,” Wilson told the Free Press. “It’s inspired, it’s God’s word in written form, and I do not dismiss the text and scriptures that speaks this question.

“When the Bible prohibits same-sex sex, what was the historical context for that? There’s no real indication monogamous, gay partnerships were the aim of the biblical texts, but there were some very clearly [sic] examples of exploitative same-sex sexuality, like temple prostitution or slave sex, masters requiring slaves to perform sexual services as part of their ownership of them.

“In the New Testament, there was pederasty, where older men providing mentoring to underage prepubescent males in exchange for sexual services ... The Sodom and Gomorrah story is about gang ****. It’s not about anything like loving monogamous relationships. To apply that to the issue of homosexuality is a gross misuse of scripture.”

I can’t believe I just heard that coming from a Christian pastor’s mouth. This completely ignores the many other Scriptures indicating homosexuality is a sin. Do we need to review them again? Leviticus 18:22 says a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman—that it’s an abomination. And 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 makes it clear that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those are just a couple.

Listen, I believe we should embrace homosexuals who want to come to church to hear the gospel and break free from the chains of bondage—but we should not embrace the sin with the sinner.

Members of the LGBT community need to feel like church is a safe place to seek God, but they need to know we don’t condone of a homosexual lifestyle any more than we do a fornicating lifestyle, an adulterous lifestyle, a lying lifestyle, a gossiping lifestyle and the like. We can’t compromise the gospel of our salvation or we aren’t preaching the gospel of Christ.

The church needs to stand against sin in any manifestation and minister the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit to set the captives free—no matter what they are captive to. Otherwise we become the blind leading the blind, religious people who have compromised with the spirit of the world, walking in deception and wooing otherwise God-fearing believers away from the truth of the gospel.

God forbid Jesus would ever nudge a pastor to do such a thing.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/watchman-on-the-wall/43595-no-pastor-jesus-did-not-tell-you-to-support-homosexuality


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 25, 2014, 09:05:56 am
Quote
Ken Wilson, 62, told the Detroit Free Press that when he was young, he viewed lesbians, gays and transgenders as “criminals, perverts or homos.” When he planted his church in the 1970s, he refused to allow sexually active gays.

But somewhere along the line, Wilson, pastor of Vineyard Church of Ann Arbor in Michigan, had a change of heart. Finally, in 2011, he told the Free Press, he “got a strong nudge from Jesus” to share his new heart on gay issues.

Now he goes down in evangelical history as perhaps the first pastor of a large church to come out of the closest in support of gays. And his timing is certainly ripe for publicity, given the heated debate over gay marriage in Michigan these days.

1) I believe the Vineyard movement is tied to Calvary Chapel/Chuck Smith.

2) This "church planting" movement has sinister agendas behind it - ultimately, the end game is to push collectivism.

3) With that being said - I don't think this "pastor" ever had a "change of heart". All of this has been by design(where he would go from one end of the spectrum to the other).


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 25, 2014, 02:36:42 pm
Southern Baptists open to reaching out to LGBT community
http://standupforthetruth.com/2014/04/southern-baptists-open-reaching-lgbt-community/

This is exactly what activist Matthew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian, is amen-ing about. 

Via MSNBC:

Leaders at the Southern Baptist Convention are slowly appearing to embrace the idea of a new conversation on gay rights. The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, an entity of the SBC, met this week in Nashville for its first-ever conference on sexuality.  The gathering brought together more than 200 pastors and religious leaders to discuss “sexual brokenness,” in addition to divorce and pornography.

Homosexuality dominated the 3-day meeting, with some pastors pushing colleagues for a new tone on reaching out to the LGBT community. “I just think we have to reject redneck theology in all of its forms,” Pastor Jimmy Scroggins told the group Monday night. “Let’s stop telling Adam and Steve jokes.”

Those comments lit up social media, with some followers predicting a major shift on the horizon in what’s been a traditional cut-and-dry part of Baptist doctrine. SBC officials were quick to downplay any pending change, but many pastors did express a seemingly new message of openness. “The way we have treated people with whom we disagree, I just don’t think is helpful and we need to set a different kind of tone,” Scroggins told msnbc Thursday.

This internal debate is not unique to Southern Baptists. Churches all across the country are grappling with the same idea: How to welcome in worshippers, particularly gay worshippers, with whom their theology and doctrine disagrees. Phillip Bethancourt, executive vice president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, wants to build on what he calls “convictional kindness.” “This is the idea that we are holding on to clear Biblical principals in an unwavering way while presenting them in a winsome capacity seeking to persuade and engage and not vaporize,” Bethancourt told msnbc Thursday.

Preachers now say they are looking for areas of common ground with the LGBT community – like fighting AIDS and human trafficking. “Personal relationships are important,” Scroggins said. “Conversations are important. We want to do a better job trying to establish relationships and conversations.” Those type of conversations are becoming more and more personal for Southern Baptists because members are finding more open gay people in their ranks, rather it be at church, work, or family reunion. “Naturally we’re going to change our tone because you’re talking about actual people and I think that’s going to change the way we talk to people,” Scroggins said.

Despite newfound gay worshippers in pews, Baptist doctrine still draws hard lines against gay members. “Membership is reserved for those walking with Jesus, and anyone acting in a relationship contrary to that is not granted membership,” Bethancourt said. “We’re looking at how we can still love and serve and minister to people despite different viewpoints.”

And there is one major and stark different viewpoint that pins Southern Baptist and many other American religions against an evolving cultural issue – same-sex marriage. A Washington Post/ABC News poll released in March shows 58% of Americans support the rights of same-sex couples to marry, and that number grows to an overwhelming 81% among Americans younger than 30. However, despite what appears to be a more accepting public opinion, convention leaders say they are in no rush to make any official move on gay rights. “I think in 10 years, the SBC will be right where they are right now in holding on to the view that marriage is between one man and one woman,” Bethancourt said.

Major religions are historically slow in changing doctrine, and there’s no indication change  is coming now. The SBC is the country’s largest Protestant denomination with nearly 16 million members in more than 46,000 churches nationwide, according to the convention’s latest count. The most recent landmark-type change to a SBC stance came in 1995 when the convention formally apologized and renounced the church’s support of slavery and segregation.  The issue of homosexuality and gay parishioners could come up at the 2014 SBC Annual Meeting in Baltimore June 10-11.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 25, 2014, 03:24:36 pm

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

nuff said


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 27, 2014, 09:47:32 am
Christian Publisher Calls Conservative Criticism Over Decision to Publish Matthew Vines' 'God and the Gay Christian' a 'Distraction'


A Christian publishing company has called criticism from conservative voices over its decision to publish Matthew Vines' controversial book God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships a "distraction," arguing that the author has been successful in his goal to start a cultural conversation on the issue.

"The conversation on who published God and the Gay Christian serves as a distraction to the real issue the book addresses. Now that the book has hit the marketplace, it looks as if the discourse has turned towards the conclusions set forth by its author Matthew Vines. The author's goal was to start a cultural conversation, and it seems that he has," Stephen W. Cobb, chief publishing executive for WaterBrook Press, Multnomah Books, Convergent Books and Image Books, told The Christian Post in an email Thursday.

A number of conservative commentators had spoken out strongly against Convergent Books' decision to publish Vines' God and the Gay Christian. The publisher (the sister imprint to WaterBrook Multnomah) says the book, which was released on Tuesday, will "radically change the conversation about being gay in the church."

Author Michael Brown, who holds a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures from New York University and has published his own book on the subject, Can You Be Gay and Christian, wrote in an opinion piece for CP last week:

"It is a sad and shameful day when a major Christian publisher releases such a book and claims that it is a solid evangelical publication. This is abhorrent, disgraceful, and terribly misleading. And it needs to be addressed and exposed."

Matt Barber, founder and editor-in chief of BarbWire.com, commented  last week that Vines is "a homosexual activist and Bible revisionist known for manipulating Christian terminology to advance the counter-Christian homosexualist agenda."

Barber also claimed that WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent are effectively the same company, stating: "It's smoke and mirrors. It's confusing because it's designed to be confusing. It's intentional – a shell game purposefully calculated to obfuscate and hide the ball from the Christian community."

In his email to CP, Cobb clarified what he called a misunderstanding of the relationship between Convergent Books and other imprints he oversees.

"I understand how it is confusing to people who do not work in publishing and do not understand the structure or nature of imprints. There are 17 imprints in the Crown Publishing Group, which is a division of Penguin Random House. I am responsible as publisher over the four imprints within the Crown Group that relate to the Christian faith: WaterBrook Press, Multnomah Books, Convergent Books and Image Books," Cobb explained.

"They are distinct and separate with different editorial missions and always have been. As such, it is my responsibility to publish books that are appropriate for the specific readership of each imprint. Those readerships do not always agree with each other, as is made clear by the release of God and the Gay Christian."

The Convergent CPE also wrote an article last week explaining the decision to publish God and the Gay Christian, answering a number of questions and concerns within the community.

"We can agree that the cultural battle over same-sex relationships and the Christian church is one of the defining issues of this generation," Cobb wrote.

"Convergent Books is publishing God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines because we believe it offers a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships from a bold, young, evangelical writer whose first calling is to promote a civil, loving, and biblically based conversation on the subject."

The imprint describes itself as "a place to raise questions and possibilities, and to join an open discussion of spirituality, ethics, faith, social justice, theology, and everyday experience."

Vines is a former Harvard University student and founder of The Reformation Project, which seeks to reform church teachings on sexual orientation. He argues that the Bible does not condemn loving, same-sex relationships and attempts to use Scripture to justify his argument.

A number of conservative evangelicals released reviews of God and the Gay Christian, and have warned that the book should not cause confusion regarding Scripture's teaching on homosexuality.

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. and his colleagues released on Tuesday an e-book, titled God and the Gay Christian? A Response to Matthew Vines, while Andrew Walker – director of Policy Studies for the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, wrote in a separate review that the book "is the first step in a larger effort to fundamentally recast long-held, universally acknowledged norms pertaining to sexual ethics."

"If I was to condense the substance of Vines' book, here's what is happening: Vines has compiled liberal biblical scholarship and popularized it for a non-technical audience," Walker wrote.

"Let me be clear: Vines is not advancing new arguments. In fact, his work draws largely from existing gay-affirming scholarship. Vines is making liberal scholarship accessible for common audiences and then compounding its effect by bringing in the emotionally laden context of our times."

Offering further discussion on the topic, Convergent Books hosted a Q&A telecast with Vines on Tuesday about the book, a recording of which is available on its website.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-publisher-calls-conservative-criticism-over-decision-to-publish-matthew-vines-god-and-the-gay-christian-a-distraction-118537/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 27, 2014, 10:12:46 am
Church risks being seen as 'homophobic' if it doesn't evolve, says Archbishop

The church needs to “evolve and change as it responds to the world around it” or risk being seen as “homophobic”, the Archbishop of Wales has warned.

Dr Barry Morgan also said the Bible should not be used to reinforce viewpoints on gay marriage.

Delivering his presidential address to members of the Governing Body of the Church in Wales at a two-day conference in Llandudno, Dr Morgan said gay marriage should be accepted in the same way that divorce and re-marriage has been and added that quoting the Bible is not the way to settle debate on such emotive issues.

Dr Morgan said: “We often see what we want to see.

“We often use scripture to reinforce viewpoints that we have already arrived at in other ways and for other reasons.

“Some people have changed their minds for example on women’s ministry and same-sex relationships when they have experienced the ministry of a woman priest in the one case, or discovered their own son or daughter to be gay in the other.

“Holy scripture itself is far more nuanced, subtle and complex than we often realise.

“We cannot just quote biblical texts on different subject matters and think that settles an issue.

“It is easy to opt for prohibitions in scripture and regard them as the word of the Lord and forget that the Bible contains stories which also convey God’s word to us.”

rest: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/church-risks-being-seen-homophobic-7022081

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not

solved that issue  ::)


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 29, 2014, 11:17:20 am
http://news.yahoo.com/lawsuit-unusual-approach-against-gay-marriage-ban-214445768--politics.html
Lawsuit: unusual approach against gay marriage ban
4/28/14

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — A coalition of clergy members filed a novel federal lawsuit Monday against North Carolina's constitutional ban on gay marriage, saying it violates their religious freedom.

The clergy members said that they'd like to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies in their congregations, but that they can't because of the "unjust law." Their attorney, Jake Sussman, says it's the only case to bring the First Amendment religious freedom claims among the more than 60 marriage equality cases pending in the nation's state and federal courts.

"North Carolina's marriage laws are a direct affront to freedom of religion," said the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, executive minister with the Cleveland-based United Church of Christ, which is a plaintiff in the lawsuit. "We feel that it is important that any person that comes into community life of a United Church of Christ congregation be afforded equal pastoral care and equal opportunity to religious services that clergy provide."

But in North Carolina, clergy are often faced with a troubling decision: "whether to provide those services or break the law," he said. "That's something no clergy member should be faced with."

Along with United Church of Christ, which has more than 1 million parishioners, a dozen clergy members and same sex-couples who want to marry were listed as plaintiffs. The defendants included North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper and several county district attorneys as well as five registers of deeds.

Noelle Talley, a spokeswoman with the attorney general's office, said officials there hadn't seen the lawsuit yet.

Wake County Register of Deeds Laura Riddick said she was shocked to be named as a defendant. Her office handles marriage licenses.

"It's ridiculous for any registry to be sued over same-gender marriage, which is a matter of state law, not county policy. Only the legislature or the courts can change the law. Our job as county administrators is to apply the law as it is, just as we will apply the law if it changes. Suing us misleads the public, wastes county taxpayer dollars and creates unnecessary conflict," she said.

This isn't the first legal challenge to North Carolina's law banning same-sex marriage, which was approved by voters in 2012.

The American Civil Liberties Union earlier this month launched a new legal assault on the state's ban on recognizing same-sex marriage, urging a federal judge to quickly negate it to help children and gay couples suffering from urgent health problems. The civil rights group said it was seeking to speed up a decision in a lawsuit filed in 2012 by citing the urgent health needs of a child who suffers from cerebral palsy who was adopted by one of the lesbian couples involved in the case.

The ACLU also filed a new lawsuit on behalf of three other lesbian couples struggling with health conditions made more difficult because they lack legal recognition of their marriages performed in other states, said ACLU staff attorney Elizabeth Gill.

The ACLU and the same-sex couples they represent argue a judge should act quickly to suspend North Carolina's marriage ban because they are suffering immediate and irreparable harm.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that the federal government must recognize marriages of same-sex couples.

Seventeen states allow gay marriage, and federal judges have struck down bans in Michigan, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma and Virginia.

"This lawsuit introduces a First Amendment claim that the marriage ban in North Carolina violates the right to the free exercise of religious beliefs by denominations, clergy and congregants who believe that same sex marriages are theologically valid and want to perform marriage ceremonies," Sussman said.

But NC Values Coalition executive director Tami Fitzgerald, who helped lead a coalition of Christian and conservative groups supporting the state's 2012 constitutional amendment, said the lawsuit is an attempt to void the will of voters who backed traditional marriage. Six in 10 voters backed changing North Carolina's constitution.

"This is sadly, and predictably, the 'lawsuit of the week' filed by those who want to impose same-sex marriage on North Carolina," Fitzgerald said. "Moreover, it's both ironic and sad that an entire religious denomination and its clergy who purport holding to Christian teachings on marriage would look to the courts to justify their errant beliefs."


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 30, 2014, 05:38:14 am
United Church of Christ Sues North Carolina to Allow Gay Marriage

It's the first time for a national Christian denomination to sue in favor of same-sex marriage, citing restricted freedom of religion. Currently ministers who marry couples without a marriage license can face misdemeanor charges punishable by up to 120 days in jail

When Kathleen Smith and Lisa Cloninger got engaged last October, they hoped to get married at Holy Covenant United Church of Christ. It was after all, their religious community and the church that had been their home for their 13-year relationship. But there was a problem: Holy Covenant is in Charlotte, North Carolina, a state that does not allow ministers to perform legal same-sex marriages. Ministers who do marry a couple that has not yet obtained a marriage license can face misdemeanor charges punishable by up to 120 days in jail.

On Monday morning, Holy Covenant’s denomination, the United Church of Christ (UCC), along with ministers of other Charlotte area congregations including a rabbi, filed a lawsuit challenging state marriage laws for restricting ministers’ free exercise of religion. The UCC is also seeking preliminary injunction that would allow ministers to choose whether to perform a religious marriage. The case appears to be the first time a national Christian denomination has challenged a state’s marriage laws.

The lawsuit has been in the works since 2012, when North Carolina voters approved Amendment One, a constitutional ban on gay marriage, with 61% of the vote. State laws prevent ministers from performing weddings if the couple does not already have a marriage license, and so religious wedding ceremonies are at odds with the law even if ministers are not sanctioning civil marriages.

Earlier this spring, the UCC, the lead plaintiff, reached out to local congregations, including Holy Covenant, to ask pastors if any church members might be candidates to join the suit. Three other couples from other churches have joined the Smith-Cloningers, and the group is suing the state’s attorney general Roy Cooper as well as other county district attorneys and registers of deeds.

The effort is part of the UCC’s long history of social justice advocacy. The mainline Protestant denomination—President Barack Obama’s own church denomination in Chicago—has more than one million members and 5,100 congregations nationwide, including 150 churches in North Carolina, and the UCC general synod passed a resolution supporting marriage equality in 2005. “For 40 years or more we have been seeking justice and equality for gay and lesbian people,” explains Geoffrey Black, president and general minister of the United Church of Christ. “This is the moment when we have an opportunity to seek justice and equality for gay and lesbian people, and so we are taking that matter very seriously.”

Smith and Cloninger are planning to have their religious ceremony at Holy Covenant in October no matter the outcome of the case. “We’ve bought dresses, we’ve sent save the date cards, we’ve booked a reception hall,” says Smith, who along with Cloninger is a North Carolina native. “Nothing could make us happier than if we were able to have both a religious and legal ceremony with everyone that we love around us and our pastor legally able to officiate that ceremony.”

Nancy Allison, the pastor of Holy Covenant and an individual plaintiff in the case, is willing to face any repercussions that may come. “I can’t imagine the law enforcement of North Carolina coming after a clergy person for doing their job, but if I were to be arrested for this, I would gladly face those arrest charges,” Allison explains. “I can do no other than move forward under my convictions.”

http://time.com/79734/united-church-of-christ-sues-north-carolina-to-allow-gay-marriage/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 30, 2014, 11:03:17 am
Yes, this "religious freedom" agenda is starting to take a strange turn now.

Again - don't be fooled by this Hobby Lobby case.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 02, 2014, 01:22:46 pm
http://donboys.cstnews.com/defending-homosexuality-is-a-tragedy-within-a-tragedy
Defending Homosexuality is a Tragedy Within a Tragedy!

Posted by Don Boys on April 25, 2014

Society has fallen in love with discourtesy, darkness, and deviancy and fails to realize that this abnormal love affair will end in death. Even some Christians defend it! It will mean death to individuals, the family, the culture, and the nation. Go visit the ruins of Sodom. I have tried to make a contribution to ameliorate the problem without much success.

The committee hearing room at the Capitol Building was packed, mostly with the media and opponents to my bill to reinstate sodomy as a crime as it had been in Indiana for about a hundred years. My opponents all had their allotted time to oppose my bill and one was a professor at Indiana University. He said that homosexuals “only wanted to be left alone.” I laughed.

In defense of my bill I told him that sodomy should be a crime again to give police officials authority to stop the cruising in city parks, sex in public restrooms, and discourage molesting of little boys. I ended by saying that homosexuals want much more than to be left alone. “They want respectability. They want to move into a house in the suburbs, park matching Volvos in the driveway and be accepted as normal people; but that won’t happen as long as Christians live in this state.” In recent years, homosexuals have demanded and received not only acceptance and approval, but even applause. We are told it is even commendable and courageous to practice perversion! And even Bible-oriented church leaders have joined the chorus!

Obviously, I was wrong! Evangelical church members are leading the parade for same sex “marriage” and doing it claiming they are true followers of Christ. However, sodomy is a tragedy and Christians’ defense of that sin is a tragedy within a tragedy.

Never has so much been surrendered by so many to so few. This surrender proves that when Christians’ faith and a controversial issue are at odds, weak Christians fold. After all, one must be modern, cool, and “with it
.”

It’s a fact, “The Times They Are A-Changing” (just listened to it all the way through for the first time!) especially in the area of courtesy, courage, and commitment. To their credit, the Homosexual Lobby has performed an absolutely incredible coup d’état in about 20 years by changing America’s attitude about sodomy. Sodomy was defined by Noah Webster in the 1800s as a “crime against nature.” The 1833 Encyclopedia Britannica identified sodomy as “The nameless crime, which was the disgrace of Greek and Roman civilization.”

Today, one is anathematized if he even uses the words “sodomy,” “degenerate,” or “pervert.” And while “same sex marriage” was not even considered possible, even worth discussing by decent people only five years ago, one is considered unloving, unkind, uneducated, and uncivil if he advocates the quaint notion that marriage is only between a man and a woman. And he is super-quaint if he holds that marriage is for a lifetime! He may also become unemployed for his belief in biblical decency. Yes, times are a-changing.

Guide is a homosexual magazine that published a pro-**** editorial in its July, 1995 issue. It referred to pedophiles as “prophets” of sexual freedom! The editorial opined: “We must listen to our prophets. Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless rulebreakers (sic), demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We must do it for the children’s sake.”  Of course, always “for the children’s sake.” Hand me a barf bag!

Love is not the justification for marriage. If that were true then three or four people can be married since they “love” each other. Or, a man could “love” his goat but few sane people would approve such an arrangement. Why could not a man marry his son thereby circumventing estate taxes? While sane people find that possibility abhorrent, it can be justified with warped, wicked, and wanton thinking. After all, the most persuasive case against incest is the danger of reproduction.

But then, who knows? Many professing Christians or church members would come to his defense! And therein lies the rub. The reason the Homosexual Lobby captured society (especially the media, education, and government) is because church members have become unprincipled, uncaring, uncourageous, and are now unnecessary. Many Christians have no problem with “the love that dare not speak its name.”

Christians have been bullied, badgered, and blackmailed into accepting the homosexual lifestyle or is that death style? However, the Bible condemns this perversion; furthermore, it also condemns those who defend perversion: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil…” (Isaiah 5:20). That’s where we are today.

So, the problem is not only with moral perversion but the cowardly capitulation of Christians who remain silent about the evil or even defend it! Above all, they must be perceived by their friends as loving, modern, cool, and hip. Such “Christians” should be kicked out their churches if they do not repent. It seems that some civic clubs have higher standards than some churches.

A good illustration of this principle was recounted in a Chattanooga area church where a mother was required to choose between her church (where she had attended for 60 years) and her lesbian daughter. The daughter had successfully advocated to make government benefits available to same sex “spouses.” Her family supported her homosexual advocacy. Church officials met with the mother and two other relatives and told them “They could repent for their sins and ask forgiveness in front of the congregation. Or leave the church.” Well finally, a church that practices church discipline. Of course, for doing so, they are called “unloving,” “haters,” and “bigots.” That’s easier than dealing with the issue.

The lesbian daughter whined, “Literally, they’re exiling members for unconditionally loving their children – and even extended family members.” Her dad told CNN, “Loving her daughter and supporting her family was not a sin.” Dad declared, “There was nothing to repent about.” He added. “They certainly couldn’t judge her on that because that was between her and her God, and it was not their place to judge her for that.”

I am not without sympathy for the family; however, Scripture must rule, not sentimentalism. Principled people do what is right even when it hurts. The family was not being judged for “unconditionally loving” but for defending perversion. Moreover, it was the church’s place or right, even obligation, to make a judgment. The family refused to repent and left the church.

The church was not demanding that the family turn their back on their daughter but to turn their back on her sin. There is a difference. We don’t make decisions about right and wrong depending on our relationship to a person.

For Christians to defend and declare homosexuality as acceptable rather than denounce it is a major tragedy within a tragedy.



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Post by: Mark on May 03, 2014, 04:37:33 am
United Methodist Church Agencies to Offer Same-Sex Partner Benefits

A mainline Protestant denomination whose governing documents declare homosexuality incompatible with Christianity will soon offer benefits to same-sex couples.

The United Methodist Church's General Council on Finance and Administration will provide benefits to agency employees with same-gender spouses. While the UMC GCFA decision derived from a vote taken last year, it was not until last week that the highest court in the denomination ruled that it was acceptable.

During its April session in Little Rock, Arkansas, the United Methodist Judicial Council ruled in Decision No. 1264 that the GCFA's benefits expansion did not contradict the guidelines of the Book of Discipline.

Of specific concern had been ¶ 806.9 of the 2012 Discipline, which states in part that "no board, agency, committee, commission, or council shall give United Methodist funds to any gay caucus or group, or otherwise use such funds to promote the acceptance of homosexuality…"

"The General Council on Finance and Administration has the authority to determine whether or not the use of general agency funds violates the prohibition against using church funds 'to promote the acceptance of homosexuality'," reads No. 1264.

"… the General Council on Finance and Administration determined that the use of general agency funds to subsidize the premium costs for employees and their same-gendered spouses enrolled in the General Agencies Welfare Benefits Program does not violate ¶ 806.9 of the 2012 Discipline."

Last October, the board of directors for GCFA, which serves as the UMC's financial and administrative agency, voted to expand partner benefits for employees in same-sex partnerships who work for any of the 13 agencies of the UMC.

The benefits expansion only applied to those who worked for the UMC in states where same-sex relationships are legally recognized.

"The Board's decision was taken in light of actions taken in states where same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships are now the law of the land," said Bishop Michael J. Coyner, President of GCFA in a statement last October. "Our Board has sought with this action to make policy decisions that stay in conformity with both civil and church law … We look forward to the Judicial Council's guidance on this matter."

The Reverend Thomas Lambrecht, vice president and general manager of Good News Magazine, blogged last week that "GCFA has unilaterally contradicted church teaching with its expanded definition of marriage."

"It adopts a policy that contradicts church teaching on the definition of marriage, not only violating the beliefs and values of church members (not to mention Scripture) but creating confusion by sending a mixed message about what United Methodists believe marriage is," wrote Lambrecht.

"The wording of this policy is an unashamed capitulation to the changing mores of society, rather than standing firmly on the teachings of Scripture and 2,000 years of church teaching."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/united-methodist-church-agencies-to-offer-same-sex-partner-benefits-118958/


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Post by: Mark on May 04, 2014, 06:49:22 am
First openly gay Episcopal bishop divorces husband

 The first openly gay bishop in the Anglican church has announced he is divorcing his husband.

Retired Bishop Gene Robinson announced that he is divorcing Mark Andrew in an email to the Diocese of New Hampshire Saturday and an article for The Daily Beast.

The coupled entered into a civil union in 2008 that converted to a marriage when New Hampshire legalized gay marriage in 2010.

His election in 2003 as the first openly gay bishop in the Anglican church created an international uproar and led conservative Episcopalians to break away from the main church in the United States.

He writes that details of his divorce are private and that he can't repay the debt he owes Andrew "for his standing by me through the challenges of the last decade."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/04/first-openly-gay-episcopal-bishop-divorces-husband/8689265/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 04, 2014, 03:15:08 pm
Well, slowly but surely they're showing they're not happy(so much for them demanding their "rights").


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 18, 2014, 05:58:18 am
NRB Forces Out WaterBrook Multnomah Publishers Over Sister Imprint's 'Gay Christian' Book
Member employees can't work on 'unbiblical material, regardless of the label.'


 A leading Christian book publisher has resigned its membership in the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) after a dispute over God and the Gay Christian, a new book published by an affiliated imprint.

In a letter to board members, NRB president and CEO Jerry Johnson said that employees of WaterBrook Multnomah Publishing Group, the evangelical division of Penguin Random House, worked on the book. The book, which argues that same-gender sex is not sinful, was published by Convergent Books, a 16-month-old Penguin Random House line that describes itself as "publishing books for progressive and mainline Christians who demand an open, inclusive, and culturally engaged exploration of faith."

"Unfortunately, while the Multnomah Publishing Group is separate from Convergent, as a legal and business entity, the staff of the Multnomah and Convergent operations are substantially the same," Johnson wrote. "Most notably, Steven W. Cobb serves as the chief publishing executive for both groups. … Other Christian workers do so as well. … This issue comes down to NRB members producing unbiblical material, regardless of the label under which they do it."

Cobb also oversees Image, Penguin Random House's Roman Catholic imprint that falls under the Crown Publishing Group division with WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent. The Christian divisions are located in the same Colorado Springs offices. Crown and Penguin Random House are based in New York City.

"I asked them to reconsider and end the practice of having Christian workers from their publishing house work on Convergent projects," Johnson wrote. "They declined to do so at this time and asked how we would respond. I told them that if they wanted to remain NRB associate members, I would have to refer the matter to our Ethics Committee for review, or they could agree to resign their membership. They agreed to resign immediately."

Johnson declined to speak with CT and said his written thoughts about Multnomah's decision, which he wrote as part of a report sent to the NRB board by chairman Bill Blount, speaks for itself.

Meanwhile, Matthew Vines's book has prompted a strong response from longtime WaterBrook Multnomah author Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, including a full-length e-book.

"I believe that Multnomah is in serious danger of crashing its brand in terms of evangelical trust," he told CT. "I am quite certain that a host of evangelical authors share this deep concern."

Cobb said in an online statement released before the NRB letter that Convergent published the book "because we believe it offers a thoughtful examination of Scripture on the topic of same-sex relationships from a bold, young, evangelical writer whose first calling is to promote a civil, loving, and biblically based conversation on the subject." No Multnomah staff were forced to work on the book, he said. "I met with our entire staff, in small groups, to discuss it—and to emphasize to everyone my long-standing policy: No colleague of ours is ever expected to work on any book we acquire that violates their personal beliefs. Indeed, I did have a few staff members who came to me for further private discussion, and asked to opt out of working on this title."

In a brief telephone conversation yesterday, Cobb told CT he has no hard feelings toward the NRB and that WaterBrook Multnomah's mission closely aligns with the NRB.

 Johnson's letter likewise notes, "You should know that the conversations were Christ-honoring and professional in tone; there was no bitterness on either side. We and they expressed a desire to revisit the issue of their membership if they separate the staff of WaterBrook Multnomah from the work of Convergent in the future."

In a brief written statement to CT, Cobb referenced Johnson's description of the tone of the conversations. "I couldn't agree more," he said. "In light of that, I believe that any further sharing of specifics would be a breach of the mutual respect between our two organizations, and I have no further comment on this topic."

While NRB's focus is its Christian radio, television, and Internet broadcasters, it lists several other Christian publishers as members, including Zondervan and Thomas Nelson (which are owned by NewsCorp's HarperCollins Publishers), and independent publishers Tyndale House and Harvest House.* The annual NRB conference attracts thousands of attendees and bills itself as the "world's largest annual gathering of Christian media professionals."

Random House created WaterBrook Press in 1996, then purchased Multnomah Publishers a decade later after Multnomah's expansion plans failed in the wake of the runaway bestseller The Prayer of Jabez. The imprint has a robust backlist, which includes David Platt's Radical, John Piper's Desiring God, and Stephen Arterburn's Every Man's Battle. But it has no titles on the current bestseller lists of either the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA) or the CBA (an association of Christian stores).

In 2001, before being acquired by Random House, Multnomah dropped one of its most popular authors, novelist Philip Gulley, over his plans to publish a book promoting universalism. Gulley's latest, Living the Quaker Way, was the first volume published by the new Convergent imprint in September 2013. God and the Gay Christian is Convergent's eighth book.

While Convergent ramped up, an imprint aimed at a similar readership significantly pulled back. Like Convergent, Jericho Books is headquartered in an evangelical capital (Nashville) along with an imprint focused on evangelical readers (FaithWords, along with "positive, affirming" imprint Center Street). Like Convergent, Jericho is owned by a much larger New York publishing giant (Hachette) and is overseen by a longtime Christian publishing executive (Rolf Zettersten, formerly of Thomas Nelson and Focus on the Family). But in December, Publishers Weekly reported that Jericho's publisher, Wendy Grisham, was leaving the company and that Jericho would be significantly "scaling back" its titles. Its authors include Nadia Bolz-Weber, Jay Bakker, Philip Yancey, Shane Hipps, and Brian McLaren. Neither FaithWords nor Jericho are members of NRB.

Robert Jeffress, who pastors First Baptist Church in Dallas and is a board member for the NRB, said he wasn't part of the Multnomah decision, but he supports it. Jeffress said he published nine books through WaterBrook before switching publishers several years ago.

"I have great respect for Steve Cobb and consider him a personal friend," he said. "However, I do think it is a mistake for any Christian publisher to legitimize a point of view that is a clear perversion of Scripture."

Jeffress had not read Vines's book, but said the debate centers around its claim that biblical texts on homosexuality have been historically misinterpreted.

"I think you have to perform hermeneutical gymnastics to come to that conclusion," he said. "While there are many topics up for debate, this is not one of them for those who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/may-web-only/nrb-waterbrook-multnomah-god-and-gay-christian.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 21, 2014, 08:25:44 pm
Church of Scotland Considers Ordaining Homosexuals

 The Church of Scotland is discussing ordaining gay people as ministers during its annual General Assembly. The conversation will extend through Friday reports Christianity Today.

In last year’s meeting, church leaders decided that the Church of Scotland would not support same-sex marriages, but it would permit gay men and woman to be ordained. The decision sparked some congregations to break off and form the anti-gay Free Church.

This week, most of the large Stornoway High congregation left the Church of Scotland in favor of the Free Church.

“Sadly our congregation could simply not identify with the general direction the Church of Scotland is headed in, and the sensible option was to leave,” said former session clerk Christopher Martin.

So far, eight former Church of Scotland ministers have converted to the Free Church.

“The Church of Scotland will say only one percent of congregations have left but its a drip, drip, drip effect. The Church is losing 20,000 people a year and there’s no sign of that trend being reversed; it will only accelerate,” said Free Church minister David Robertson.

In the coming days, the General Assembly will reassess the Church’s endorsement of homosexuality in the church. Reverend Jeremy Middleton will propose that the Church take the stance that “marriage between one man and one woman is the only right and proper context for sexual relations.” It is believed that the Church leaders will not approve of the stance.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/church-of-scotland-considers-ordaining-homosexuals.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 21, 2014, 09:37:36 pm
"considers"? "discussing"? I dunno, but it's alot like saying it's ok to be a "little" pregnant. :-\


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 27, 2014, 05:51:16 am
Yet another 'gay Christian' book emerges
Strong responses from both sides highlight culture war


The announcement of a second “gay friendly” book, from another Christian publisher, is sending shockwaves through the evangelical community.

Jennifer Knapp’s memoir, “Facing the Music: Discovering Real Life, Real Love, and Real Faith,” will be released by Howard Books in October 2014.

Howard Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, Inc. since 2006, is well-known for its “Hugs” series, but the line of gift books was discontinued when Simon & Schuster acquired the company. Howard Books has shifted focus to include more theologically progressive authors, including Jim Wallis and now, Knapp.

A singer and formerly a Christian Contemporary recording artist, Knapp announced in 2010 that she is a lesbian.

In April, Convergent Books, an imprint of WaterBrook Multnomah Publishing Group, released a book by Matthew Vines, “God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Marriage.” WaterBrook Multnomah itself is owned by Random House.

That book launch caused a firestorm of controversy, with WaterBrook Multnomah severing ties with the National Religious Broadcasters, or NRB.

Celebrating freedom at a "gay"-pride parade

Jerry A. Johnson, president and CEO of NRB, issued a statement to the organization’s board:

“Unfortunately, while the Multnomah Publishing Group is separate from Convergent, as a legal and business entity, the staff of the Multnomah and Convergent operations are substantially the same. Most notably, Steven W. Cobb serves as the chief publishing executive for both groups. Other Christian workers do so as well. This issue comes down to NRB members producing unbiblical material, regardless of the label under which they do it.

“I asked them to reconsider and end the practice of having Christian workers from their publishing house work on Convergent projects,” Johnson further added. “They declined to do so at this time and asked how we would respond. I told them that if they wanted to remain NRB associate members, I would have to refer the matter to our Ethics Committee for review, or they could agree to resign their membership. They agreed to resign immediately.”

Cobb spoke to Christian Retailing when Vines’ book was released:

“We actually went to great lengths and have always gone to lengths here to make sure that our people here have never been required to work on anything that offended their personal beliefs. We met with everyone in small groups and, in some cases, individually, and I can think of a couple of employees off the top of my head that asked to not participate in the publishing function regarding this particular book, and we were respectful and grateful for their candor and excused them from any involvement, so we don’t run that kind of shop here.”

The announcement of Knapp’s book ensures the flap won’t die down anytime soon.

“The scary thing is, there is no longer any sacred institution where the gay agenda has not let its voice be heard,” Elaine Wright Colvin told WND. “It seems like just another inroad to me.”

Colvin, a long-time Christian book industry veteran and founder of Writers Information Network, has been involved with “CBA” (The Association for Christian Retail) since 1980. She sees the titles by Vines and Knapp as a dramatic shift for an industry that was long considered to be conservative.

“First, CBA books; and last weekend I learned that my ultra-conservative GARB [General Association of Regular Baptist], Western Baptist Bible College, is now ‘partnering’ with Nike — for money and uniforms, etc. Western Baptist is now Corban University in Salem, Oregon.”

Nike, the footwear and apparel manufacturing giant, is seen as a friend of gay activists.

In terms of the impact on Christian books, other industry vets see the inclusion of “gay friendly” books differently. Mickey Maudlin, former editor for the magazine founded by Billy Graham in 1956, Christianity Today, is now senior vice president, executive editor and director of Bible publishing at HarperCollins Publishers.

“I do not know any of the details surrounding the controversies surrounding the books by Matthew Vines or Jennifer Knapp other than what I read in news headlines,” Maudlin told WND. “Nevertheless, I think the heated and divisive debates do not serve Christ or his kingdom. Debate, fine — wise, discerning discussions are needed — but dividing over this issue makes no sense to me. It elevates the issue as if it were a core doctrine; it makes it harder to have these needed discussions; and it signals to the world that God or churches hate gay people. Paul and Jesus both emphasized that how our disputes and actions are seen by non-Christians should frame how we conduct ourselves. I don’t think that is being done.”

On May 19, Maudlin posted on his Facebook page:

“I just want to point out that the NRB is shunning fellow evangelicals for a thoroughly evangelical book, Matthew Vines’ GOD AND THE GAY CHRISTIAN, which uses Scripture to prove his thesis. This is not over Jesus, God, the cross, or the inspiration of the Bible. This is over what a fellow evangelical thinks the Bible teaches. Unbelievable.”

Top author agent Chip MacGregor, founder of MacGregor Literary, echoes Maudlin’s statements.

“Some people probably see the decision by WaterBrook to publish ‘God and the Gay Christian’ as divisive,” MacGregor told WND, “but I think their real motive is just the opposite — they’re trying to bring Christians together by starting a conversation on a topic where there frequently is no dialogue. We may not all agree on the conclusions the book comes to … but what’s the problem with that? Isn’t one of the purposes of a publisher to cause us to think; to spur a conversation, even if it’s about a difficult or delicate topic?”

The two book launches follow the announcement of World Vision’s short-lived policy statement regarding the hiring of openly gay personnel. In April, after announcing a policy change that would enable the global relief organization to hire gays, World Vision reversed itself a day later amid strong response from conservatives.

The books by Vines and Knapp have helped open a polarizing debate between progressive and conservative Christians.

Writing for The Christian Post in April, author Michael Brown had strong words for WaterBrook Multnomah:

“For many years now, publishers have been releasing books that claim that the Bible does not oppose committed homosexual relationships. That is nothing new. But it is a sad and shameful day when a major Christian publisher releases such a book and claims that it is a solid evangelical publication. This is abhorrent, disgraceful, and terribly misleading. And it needs to be addressed and exposed.”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/yet-another-gay-christian-book-emerges/print/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 28, 2014, 06:48:09 am
Un-’United Methodist Church’ Faces Split Over Embracing of Homosexuality

A group of 80 pastors is suggesting that the nation’s second-largest Protestant denomination is facing an imminent split over its inability to resolve long-standing theological disputes about sexuality and church doctrine.

But more than lamenting the current divisions, the pastors indicated there is little reason to think reconciliation — or even peaceful coexistence — could be found. Like a couple heading to divorce court, the pastors cited “irreconcilable differences” that can’t be mended.

“We can no longer talk about schism as something that might happen in the future. Schism has already taken place in our connection,” said the Maxie Dunnam, a retired president of evangelical Asbury Theological Seminary in Kentucky, who joined the statement.

It’s a marked shift in tone from 10 years ago, when conservatives rejected a proposal for an “amicable separation” as premature. “I don’t want us to talk about separation,” Dunnam said after the church’s 2004 assembly, before the same-sex marriage issue swept the nation. “That’s not a game where our energy needs to be focused.”

As 19 states and the District of Columbia now allow same-sex civil ‘marriage,’ the debate has consumed America’s mainline denominations, with the outcome ranging from bitter divisions to agree-to-disagree compromises.

The issue is especially heightened within Methodism, where holiness — the beliefs and practices toward Christian purity — is foundational in its theology. And as Methodist membership plateaus at home and grows in parts of Africa, overseas delegates have helped hold the line against growing pressure to give the church over to homosexual clergy and same-sex marriage.

Amid a wave of open defiance over rules that prevent pastors from presiding at same-sex marriages, and a host of high-profile church trials that have largely upheld church policy, some UMC pastors say the 11.8 million-member church has reached an impasse. Many feel that the sexuality debates simply touch on larger issues of how Methodists understand Scripture and how leaders uphold church teaching.

Frank Schaefer, a former Pennsylvania United Methodist pastor, was found guilty of violating church law when he officiated at his son’s 2007 ‘wedding,’ though his appeal will be heard on June 20. Schaefer was told he could keep his clergy credentials if he recanted his support of homosexual marriage, but he refused.

The tipping point for many striving to uphold Scriptural teaching on homosexuality came after UMC Bishop Martin D. McLee of New York announced in March he would drop a case against a retired seminary dean who officiated at his homosexual son’s 2012 ‘wedding’ and called for an end to church trials for clergy who violate the denomination’s law against affirming and supporting homosexual behavior.

The pastors saw McLee’s move as failing to uphold agreed-upon church teaching. He should have gone through proper means of changing the church’s stance on sexuality, they say, rather than declining to uphold the church’s Book of Discipline, or constitution.

“Tensions are reaching a point where it’s become a destructive scenario,” stated Larry Baird, pastor of Trinity United Methodist Church in Grand Island, N.Y., in an interview. He noted that leaving the denomination is not the group’s first option. “We’re hoping there’s a win-win way out for those in profound disagreement.”

Hailing from the UMC’s five jurisdictions, the group of 80 pastors and theologians released a statement Thursday (May 22) outlining the crisis they see emerging within the UMC. They pointed to pastors who violated the Book of Discipline, a lack of subsequent punishment, a crisis over the authority of Scripture and differences in how leaders are teaching the practice of holiness.

Most recently, the UMC decided to expand benefits of its agencies’ employees to include same-sex spouses who live in states that allow same-sex marriage, even though same-sex partners can’t get married within the UMC.

“Talk of a ‘middle-way’ or of ‘agreeing to disagree’ is comforting and sounds Christ-like,” the statement states. “However, such language only denies the reality we need to admit. Neither side will find ‘agreeing to disagree’ acceptable.”

Other mainline denominations have already gone through many variations on same-sex ordination and marriage, moving more quickly on the issue than the UMC, which has a global, more conservative membership; about one-third of the church’s members are found in Africa, Asia or Europe.

“Can we not learn from the pain that other mainline denominations have experienced and find a way forward that honors (Methodism founder John) Wesley’s rule that we do no harm?” the statement says. “A way where there are no winners and losers, but simply brothers and sisters who part ways amicably, able to wish each other well?”

Delegates to the Methodists’ quadrennial General Conferences have resisted one option embraced by the Presbyterian Church (USA) that essentially allows regional bodies to set their own ordination standards.

The UMC declined to provide an official response.

The United Methodist Church began in the mid-18th century within the Church of England when a small group of students, including John Wesley, Charles Wesley and George Whitefield, met on the Oxford University campus. They focused on Bible study, methodical study of scripture and living a holy life.

Today, members include everyone from former President George W. Bush to Hillary Clinton.

http://christiannews.net/2014/05/28/un-united-methodist-church-faces-split-over-embracing-of-homosexuality/


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Post by: Mark on May 28, 2014, 07:15:47 am
Jeffress: Define 'sin' using the Bible, not the culture

Win or lose, Christians must stick with scripture when dealing with the culture wars. That's the response of a prominent Southern Baptist pastor to moves within his own denomination that indicate there may be a "softening" on the topic of homosexuality.

Recently the Human Rights Campaign, a major pro-homosexual lobbying group, issued a press release with the headline "Southern Baptist Convention Leaders Show Signs of Progress on LGBT Equality." OneNewsNow talked with Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas and host of Pathway to Victory, and asked if it's true.

"I believe there's some indication that that is true, unfortunately," he responds. "Look, I think we all want to be compassionate when we deal with any sin, whether it be the sin of addiction, the sin of adultery, the sin of homosexuality. We ought to assure everybody that there's no such thing as an unpardonable sin for those who receive the grace of Jesus Christ."

Christians, he says, have to be willing to call sin what it is: sin – even when holding discussions with homosexuals on that particular sin. And in those discussions, Jeffress emphasizes, believers should offer hope – but not false hope by being silent about it.

"... It's been my experience as one whose been on the forefront of these culture wars," Jeffress offers, "that it doesn't matter how much you smile, how much you show compassion, that if you label homosexuality as a sin you're going to be labeled as 'intolerant' and a 'hate monger.'"

Christians must abide by scripture, he concludes – not by the culture.

- See more at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2014/05/28/jeffress-define-sin-using-the-bible-not-the-culture#.U4XTEiihFyI


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 28, 2014, 11:11:52 am
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The United Methodist Church began in the mid-18th century within the Church of England when a small group of students, including John Wesley, Charles Wesley and George Whitefield, met on the Oxford University campus. They focused on Bible study, methodical study of scripture and living a holy life.

Mid-18th century? The same time when evolution/gay theory, Wescott and Hort, etc planted the seeds of their rotten fruit(which has reaped mightily rotten fruit at this present day). Yeah, alot of wickedness was really been sown during this time which has its blueprints on today's society et al.

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Today, members include everyone from former President George W. Bush to Hillary Clinton.

I think Dick Cheney is also a Methodist - yep, that says it right there. Both political "parties" are involved in this "church".


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 30, 2014, 04:41:58 pm
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/05/29/4941314/more-religious-groups-to-join.html#.U4fBqSjEbqc
5/29/14
More religious groups to join suit against same-sex marriage ban

Additional plaintiffs – including two national clergy groups – are expected to join a lawsuit next week that claims North Carolina’s ban on same-sex marriage is a violation of religious freedom.

The Central Conference of American Rabbis and the Alliance of Baptists are going to become part of the lawsuit, along with additional individual pastors and rabbis, said Luke Largess, co-lead counsel for the legal challenge.

The lawsuit is the nation’s first faith-based challenge to same-sex marriage bans, claiming North Carolina laws block clergy of various faiths from exercising their freedom of religion.

State law says it is a misdemeanor for ministers to perform a marriage ceremony without having a marriage license for a couple.

Largess made the announcement at a Thursday panel discussion at Charlotte’s Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, which focused on the federal lawsuit, General Synod of the United Church of Christ v. Cooper.

The suit is a challenge to the state ban. It was filed in April in the Western District of North Carolina on behalf of the United Church of Christ. Same-sex couples in Charlotte, Asheville, Concord and Huntersville have joined the case as well.

Additional plaintiffs include clergy from other faith traditions. They say the state laws violate their equal-protection and due-process rights under the 14th Amendment.

Entire denomination joins fight

The local religious leaders, who include a rabbi, are joined by colleagues from Asheville and Raleigh along with the UCC. All support the rights of same-sex couples to marry.

The case also marks the first time an entire denomination has joined the marriage battle.

The UCC, headquartered in Cleveland, has more than 1.1 million members and 5,100 local churches. North Carolina is home to more than 24,000 members and 155 churches, including Holy Covenant in Charlotte and Trinity Reformed in Concord.

The New York City-based Central Conference of American Rabbis, founded in 1889, is the oldest and largest rabbinic organization in North America. It has 2,000 members, officials said.

The Alliance of Baptists began in 1987, according to its website, and is composed of male and female laity and clergy, people of diverse sexual orientations, gender identities, theological beliefs and ministry practices.



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 02, 2014, 05:02:26 pm
From my experiences - this isn't the first time I've seen or heard this. For example, 5 years ago over at a big, mainstream fellowship group I used to attend, one woman said how her daughter became a lesbian after she went through the (feminist)women's studies program at her univ. She acted as if it wasn't her fault, and thought all she had to do was pray, pray, and pray for her.

Pt being that why can't these parents take responsibility for themselves? Whatever happened to training up a child with the KJB, not being part of some "church" system, homeschooling them, etc? Whatever happened to the proper husband's and wife's roles in the house?(ie-I'm not saying this for 100% certain - but it wouldn't surprise me that children grow up to be sodomites when they see the mother taking headship over the home - a boy can develop effeminite qualities by seeing a very bossy mother over father, and a girl can develop masculine qualities by seeing just that too)

Ultimately - these parents need to take responsibility for themselves, and quit pointing fingers at everything else.

2Corinthians 12:14  Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/baptist-church-pastor-gay-son_n_5432880.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
6/2/14
California Baptist Church Changes Views On Homosexuality After Pastor's Gay Son Comes Out

A Baptist church in California has voted to welcome the gay community despite going against the Southern Baptist Convention's views on homosexuality.

The New Heart Community Church in La Mirada, CA faced a difficult decision in early 2014 when lead pastor Danny Cortez told the congregation that his son, Drew, had come out -- and that he himself no longer agreed with the church's teachings on homosexuality.

A month later the church said in a statement that it would investigate the issues surrounding same-sex marriage and vote on May 18 whether to dismiss Cortez or not.
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    New Heart’s congregation elected to establish an in-depth theological study of same-sex marriage, so that congregants for themselves might more deeply discern both their own theological views concerning same-sex marriage and their willingness, whatever their views, to invite same-sex couples into fellowship, communion, and leadership in the church.

On the date scheduled, the congregation took a vote and elected to keep Cortez in his post and change its official stance on homosexuality.


In a letter to Patheos blogger and founder of Unfundamentalist Christians John Shore, Cortez said the church had voted not only to let him stay but to become a 'Third Way' church, which he said indicates agreeing to disagree and not casting judgement on others' lifestyles.

"This is a huge step for a Southern Baptist Church!!" he added.

In his coming out video, posted to YouTube on February 7, 15-year-old Drew Cortez offered a message to other gay teens struggling with their identities. "I kind of wish I could just hug them and tell them, 'You're perfect the way you are. You don't have to change because you are fearfully and wonderfully made'... God still loves them for who they are."

Read Pastor Cortez' full letter below and watch his son's touching coming out video above.

   
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Hi John,

    I wanted to introduce myself to you. My name is Danny Cortez and I pastor a small Southern Baptist Church in La Mirada, CA. We’re about a mile from Biola University in a very conservative neighborhood.

    Anyway, I recently became gay affirming after a 15-year journey of having multiple people in my congregation come out to me every year. I scoured through your whole website and read everything I could. And it was especially the testimony of my gay friends that helped me to see how they have been marginalized that my eyes became open to the injustice that the church has wrought.

    In August of 2013, on a sunny day at the beach, I realized I no longer believed in the traditional teachings regarding homosexuality.

    As I was trying to figure out what to tell my church, I was driving in the car with my 15-year-old son Drew when a song on the radio came on. I asked Drew who sang it, and he said, “Mackelmore.” And then he asked me why I was interested in it. I told him that I liked the song. He was startled and he asked me if I knew that the song’s message was gay affirming. I told him that I did know and that’s why I liked the song. I also told him that I no longer believed what I used to believe.

    As we got out of the car, I could tell he was puzzled. so I asked him what he was thinking. In the parking lot, he told me in a nervous voice, “Dad, I’m gay.” My heart skipped a beat and I turned towards him and we gave one another the biggest and longest hug as we cried. And all I could tell him was that I loved him so much and that I accepted him just as he is.

    I couldn’t help but think that my 15 year journey was in preparation for that moment. If it wasn’t for this 15 year journey and my change in theology, I may have destroyed my son through reparative therapy.

    My son decided to make a coming out video on YouTube on Feb 7, 2014 which he posted on Facebook.

    I then told my church on Feb 9 about my new position. However, I expressed that my goal wasn’t about trying to convince everyone what I believe, but that we should allow room for grace in the midst of disagreement. I shared that the body of Christ is segregated every sunday between gay affirming and non-gay affirming and that there must be unity and love.

    Unfortunately, many weren’t pleased, so the church had to vote whether to terminate me or accept my proposition. On March 9, the church voted instead to prolong the period of prayer, study and discernment until May 18. We then invited teachers, both gay and straight, from both sides of the debate to speak to our church.

    The church just voted two Sundays ago, on May 18, 2014, to not dismiss me, and to instead become a Third Way church (agree to disagree and not cast judgement on one another—see Ken Wilson’s book, “A Letter to my Congregation”). This is a huge step for a Southern Baptist Church!!

    So now, we will accept the LGBT community even though they may be in a relationship. We will choose to remain the body of Christ and not cast judgement. We will work towards graceful dialogue in the midst of theological differences. We see that this is possible in the same way that our church holds different positions on the issue of divorce and remarriage. In this issue we are able to not cast judgement in our disagreement.

    Unfortunately, many who voted to remain traditional will now separate from us in a couple of weeks. We are in the period of reconciliation and forgiveness. Please pray for us in this. Then on June 8, we will formally peacefully separate, restate our love for one another, and bless each other as we part ways. It has been a very tiring and difficult process.

    All of this to say, I believe God is moving in beautiful ways. And I’m thankful that you were part of my journey through the many things I processed through your writings. I pray that you would be encouraged that a conservative evangelical church like ours has embraced the LGBT community.

    I am now in conversation with other pastors who are now wondering what in the world we are doing. I’m thankful for these opportunities. I pray that the church will no longer be segregated. I pray that those who have been marginalized would feel safe in our churches. I pray that we as the church would set aside our difference and learn what it means to be the body of Christ. So please keep us in your prayers as the road ahead promises to be filled with difficulty. Thank you again for helping me through my journey.

    Blessings
    Danny Cortez
    Pastor
    New Heart Community Church

Looks like he's been pushing the sodomite agenda BEFORE his son "came out".


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 06, 2014, 12:22:59 pm
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/b317be05-75cb-5bac-b2bf-79a85b4c82fc.html
Faith leaders call for gay marriage
6/5/14

Thirty-one faith leaders in Wyoming signed their names to a statement calling for the state to allow gay marriage.

“Every faith leader will always be free to determine which marriages to bless or officiate and which to not,” read the statement, an effort of Wyoming Unites for Marriage, a Cheyenne-based effort to legalize gay marriage in the Equality State. “Marriage for same-sex couples will not change that fundamental principle. However, for those of us who do lead welcoming and affirming faiths, it will finally remove a long-standing obstacle to our pastoral care - and allow us to minister equally to all families in our community.”

Jeran Artery, chairman of the pro-gay rights group Wyoming Equality, which is behind Wyoming Unites, said the organization worked on the effort over the last couple of weeks. Artery first reached out to religious leaders who he knew were supportive of gay rights; then he was led to others. The organization recently compiled a list of attorneys supportive of gay marriage, too.

In March, four same-sex couples and Wyoming Equality sued Gov. Matt Mead and other state officials in Laramie County District Court in Cheyenne to challenge the state’s ban on gay marriage.

“For the last couple of years, the message within the GLBT community and the faith community was pick one or the other because you can’t have both,” he said. “We need to break down that barrier.”

Sometimes, people struggle reconciling their faith with their sexual identities.

“They’re told they’re going to hell,” Artery said. “They don’t feel safe or loved.”

They leave their churches, which can be difficult spiritually. Worse, some gay people commit suicide because of religious conflict, he said.

Most of the faith leaders came from Christian denominations. There were no representatives of Catholic Church or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Artery is hopeful that, as those churches discuss gay members, support will increase for gay marriage.

“Some of the smaller churches in smaller communities say, ‘Hey, we support the freedom,’ was surprising,” Artery said.

The Rev. Anetta Davenport of Holy Trinity Episcopal Church in Thermopolis is a supporter of gay marriage.

“I believe Christ calls us to love one another,” she said. “I’d rather err on the side of love. It’s not up to me to judge, anyway.”

Davenport is newly ordained. She hasn’t been asked to perform any commitment ceremonies at her church. She was raised in Thermopolis, moved away as an adult and has returned after retirement to serve the congregation.

“It’s not something we talk about openly,” she said. “It’s a touchy subject for some people.”

The Rev. Dee Lundberg of the Casper United Church of Christ said acceptance of gay marriage comes down to how one reads the Bible. She doesn’t take the Bible literally. She believes the Bible is a source of ethics and stories.

“There’s a little, tiny bit in the Old Testament that talks about gay marriage,” she said, referring to the part of the Book of Leviticus that says a man should not lie with another man.

In Genesis, Sodom and Gomorrah that gay rights opponents cite "is a story about hospitality and inhospitality," she said.

But Leviticus was written for a small, struggling band of Israelites who were living among other cultures, she said. The book helped them establish a cultural identity. A paragraph before the section about a man not lying with another man, it says children should be murdered for cursing their parents, she said.

Leviticus also prohibits people from eating hoofed animals and shellfish and from planting two types of seed on the same ground, such as corn and peas; people regularly violate Leviticus, she said.

In the Book of Romans, it says men weren’t supposed to lust after other men, Lundberg said.

The book was written in the time of Paul to a community that witnessed Greek and Roman philosophers have sex with students. The story sets up rules for how the Christian community is different than other cultures, she said.

Lundberg challenges people to look for the Gospels’ statements on homosexuality.

“Jesus is silent on the subject.”

Jesus loved the oppressed – prostitutes, widows, tax collectors and commoners, she said.

“We don’t want to promote promiscuity,” she said. “We want to promote covenant and commitment.”


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on June 09, 2014, 01:59:07 pm
Transgendered priest to give sermon at Washington National Cathedral

The Washington National Cathedral is welcoming the first openly transgendered Episcopal priest to its altar this month.

The Rev. Cameron Partridge, a transgendered man, is set to give the June 22 sermon at the cathedral, a fixture in the D.C. skyline and one of the nation’s most well-known houses of worship.

Dean of the cathedral, the Rev. Gary Hall, said in a statement that he hopes Mr. Partridge’s presence would send a message of support for the transgender community.

“We at Washington National Cathedral are striving to send a message of love and affirmation, especially to LGBT youth who suffer daily because of their gender identity or sexual orientation,” Mr. Hall said. “We want to proclaim to them as proudly and unequivocally as we can: Your gender identity is good and your sexual orientation is good because that’s the way that God made you.”

Mr. Partridge is the Episcopal chaplain at Boston University and a lecturer and counselor for Episcopal and Anglican students at the Harvard Divinity School. He completed his transition to male in 2001, according to Boston University, and has a wife and two children.

Rev. Hall also announced that the Right Rev. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopal priest, would be presiding the same service with Mr. Partridge. He retired from his post as a bishop in New Hampshire and now works at the Center for American Progress.

The service caps two weeks of LGBT advocacy for the cathedral. It participated in this year’s Capital Pride events, and Mr. Hall said the service would include readings by local LGBT community members.

Last year the National Cathedral made headlines when its leaders announced that the church would perform same-sex marriages.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/9/transgendered-priest-give-sermon-washington-nation/#ixzz34Abdz9Uf


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2014, 06:11:30 am
Methodists Fear Split as Denomination Reaches Homosexuality Impasse

 Leaders of the United Methodist Church will gather in Florida on Wednesday to discuss church business; the church’s stance on homosexuality will likely be a hot button issue.
 
The issue has been an area of discussion in the congregation for 10 years, but recent events have lead some members to fear a schism as the denomination reaches an impasse between the church doctrine and scripture.
 
“It’s distressing to me that we’re still focusing on minor issues, same-sex, homosexuality,” said Rev. John Hill of the Suntree United Methodist Church. “Others many feel different, but the real issues the Jesus called us to confront are feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and not necessarily this issue. It’s maybe important but not essential.”
 
Hill is one of hundreds of pastors who signed a petition urging the church to remain unified and respect others’ opinions on homosexuality reports USA Today.
 
Not all Methodists pastors agree, however, In May, 80 pastors held a meetings which led to a call for a split.
 
“We need to recognize the reality that we -- laity, clergy and even the Council of Bishops -- are divided and will remain divided. Talk of a ‘middle way’ or of ‘agreeing to disagree’ is comforting and sounds Christ-like. However, such language only denies the reality we need to admit. Neither side will find ‘agreeing to disagree’ acceptable,” the pastors wrote in a letter to the denomination.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/methodists-fear-split-as-denomination-reaches-homosexuality-impasse.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 19, 2014, 07:39:43 pm
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/us/presbyterian-pastors-can-preside-at-gay-marriages/ngPFT/
Presbyterian assembly: Gay marriage is Christian
6/19/14

DETROIT —

The top legislative body of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted by large margins Thursday to recognize same-sex marriage as Christian in the church constitution, adding language that marriage can be the union of "two people," not just "a man and a woman."

The amendment approved by the Presbyterian General Assembly requires approval from a majority of the 172 regional presbyteries, which will vote on the change over the next year. But in a separate policy change that takes effect at the end of this week's meeting, delegates voted to allow ministers to preside at gay weddings in states where the unions are legal and local congregational leaders approve. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia recognize same-sex marriage.

The votes, during a national meeting in Detroit, were a sweeping victory for Presbyterian gay-rights advocates. The denomination in 2011 eliminated barriers to ordaining clergy with same-sex partners, but ministers were still barred from celebrating gay marriages and risked church penalties for doing so. Alex McNeill, executive director of More Light Presbyterians, a gay advocacy group, said the decisions Thursday were "an answer to many prayers."

The Rev. Krystin Granberg of the New York Presbytery, where the state recognizes gay marriage, said she receives requests "all the time" from friends and parishioners to preside at their weddings.

"They want to be married in the church they love and they want me to do it," Granberg said during the debate. "I want pastoral relief."

But Bill Norton, of the Presbytery de Cristo, which covers parts of Arizona and New Mexico, urged the assembly to delay any changes. "We are laying hands on something that is holy, that God has given us, so we need to be sure any changes we make are in accord with God's will revealed in Scripture," Norton said.

Since the 2011 gay ordination vote, 428 of the denomination's more than 10,000 churches have left for other more conservative denominations or have dissolved, though some theological conservatives have remained within the denomination as they decide how to move forward. The church now has about 1.8 million members.

The conservative Presbyterian Lay Committee decried the votes in Detroit as an "abomination." The assembly voted 371-238 to allow ministers to celebrate same-sex marriages, and 429-175 in favor of amending the definition of marriage in the constitution.

"The General Assembly has committed an express repudiation of the Bible, the mutually agreed upon Confessions of the PCUSA, thousands of years of faithfulness to God's clear commands and the denominational ordination vows of each concurring commissioner," the Presbyterian Lay Committee said in a statement.

Of the mainline Protestant denominations, only the United Church of Christ supports gay marriage outright. The Episcopal Church has approved a prayer service for blessing same-sex unions. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has eliminated barriers for gay clergy but allows regional and local church officials to decide their own policies on ordination and blessings for same-sex couples.

The largest mainline group, the United Methodist Church, with about 7.8 million U.S. members, bars ordaining people in same-sex relationships. However, church members have been debating whether to split over their different views of the Bible and marriage. Gay marriage supporters have been recruiting clergy to openly officiate at same-sex ceremonies in protest of church policy.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 20, 2014, 03:48:56 pm
Look at the rotten fruits of Republicanism from these Babel church buildings...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/20/us/politics/gay-gop-candidates-feature-partners-in-ads.html?_r=1
6/19/14
Gay G.O.P. Candidates Feature Partners in Ads

WASHINGTON — Richard Tisei’s new campaign ad offers a scene of domestic bliss.

The ad, set to appear in a glossy color brochure on Saturday, features a smiling Mr. Tisei with his arm around his beaming spouse at their wedding reception this year.

And while such familial images have become a staple of modern campaigns, the decision by Mr. Tisei — an openly gay Republican running for Congress — to feature his husband, Bernie Starr, in the ad is a sign of how quickly views are changing on same-sex marriage and the broader tableau of gay rights.

“I think people need to know who I am and what I’m all about,” Mr. Tisei said. “I’m obviously proud to be married to Bernie, and I’m proud to be a Republican.”

For gay candidates, talking openly about a partner or loved one — let alone showcasing them in an ad — has traditionally proved tricky. And the Republican Party has been struggling to adjust to the growing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

But this cycle, three gay Republicans running for Congress — Mr. Tisei in Massachusetts, Carl DeMaio in California and Dan Innis in New Hampshire — are featuring their significant others in campaign ads, a first for a gay congressional candidate from either major political party.

The text of the Tisei ad, which will run in the brochure of a gay pride celebration in his district this weekend, reads: “We all fought to make US possible in Massachusetts... Now, I’ll fight for US in Washington.”

Mr. DeMaio gained attention this year when he released an online video that featured a brief shot of him holding hands with his partner, Johnathan Hale, at a 2012 gay pride parade. In Mr. Innis’s web video to announce his candidacy in October, he says, “I live in Portsmouth with my husband,” before a picture flashes on the screen of the two of them, along with their “three great kids.” (Mr. Innis is the only one of the three to face a primary challenge; all three are trying to unseat Democratic incumbents.)

“Republican candidates are saying it loud,” said Mark McKinnon, a Republican strategist. “They’re out and they’re proud enough to feature their partners in ads, which I think just reflects how fast this issue is moving across the American political spectrum.”

In just over a decade since Massachusetts became the first state to allow same-sex marriage in 2004, 19 states and the District of Columbia have legalized same-sex marriage. Public opinion on the issue is shifting rapidly, too. In a New York Times/CBS News nationwide poll in February, 56 percent of Americans said they thought same-sex marriage should be legal.

While a majority of Democrats and independent voters support same-sex marriage, a majority of Republicans do not — but among young Republicans, 56 percent join Democrats and independents in supporting the issue.

There are currently six gay members of Congress — five in the House and one in the Senate — and one bisexual, Representative Krysten Sinema of Arizona; all are Democrats. The last openly gay Republican to serve in Congress was Representative Jim Kolbe of Arizona, who retired in 2006; no Republican has been openly gay when first elected to Congress. (Mr. Kolbe revealed his sexuality after joining the House in 1985.)

On Thursday, the National Organization for Marriage, which supports traditional marriage between a man and a woman, held its second annual “March for Marriage” at the Capitol in Washington. “It is a losing issue at the ballot box,” said Brian S. Brown, the group’s president, “and you’re going to see that if any Republican presidential candidate were to endorse same-sex marriage, I can guarantee you they’re not going to win the Republican primary.”

Mr. DeMaio, Mr. Innis and Mr. Tisei have not broadcast any television commercials with their partners or husbands yet, although Mr. DeMaio plans to show a shorter version of his online ad on television, and the other two campaigns said they would not rule out a television buy.

“The airwaves are loaded with candidate wives and kids,” said Elizabeth Wilner, the senior vice president for politics of Kantar Media Ad Intelligence, which monitors political advertising. “These tentative off-air steps, while landmark, show just how loaded the most ‘101’ ad of a campaign, the bio ad, can be for a gay candidate.”

Nonetheless, the candidates say they need to be part of the future of the Republican Party if it wants to survive, as public opinion and Supreme Court decisions seem to be becoming more open to gay rights. “My brand of Republicanism is that the government should get off your back, out of your wallet and away from the bedroom,” Mr. Tisei said. “For the Republican Party, that philosophy is really key for us to expand our base and become more inclusive about bringing people in.”

Mr. DeMaio said the party needed “to enter the 21st century,” adding, “The party needs to reach out to all communities with a principled message — gays, straight, women, men, Latinos all want the same thing.”

Mr. DeMaio’s decision to include his partner in a campaign video, said Brian Donahue, a founding partner at Craft, which produced the piece, was a simple one. “Carl and his team felt it was important to feature his partner just as any candidate would feature their significant other,” Mr. Donahue said.

For groups that favor same-sex marriage, these ads represent yet another positive sign in the fight for marriage equality.

“There’s this overwhelming momentum, and I think it’s really great, whether Democrat or Republican, to see gay candidates comfortable with being themselves,” said Marc Solomon, the national campaign director of Freedom to Marry. But, Mr. Solomon added, “I would say the political system in general is certainly behind where the public is on marriage and general acceptance of gay people.”

There are signs, at least, that House Republicans are listening. When Representative J. Randy Forbes of Virginia last year urged the National Republican Congressional Committee to withhold financial support from gay candidates, Speaker John A. Boehner and Representative Greg Walden of Oregon, the committee’s chairman, spoke up in support of gay Republicans.

The committee recently announced its television ad buy for the fall, and it includes $1.7 million in the San Diego market, where Mr. DeMaio is running, and $2.2 million in Boston and Manchester, N.H., which covers the districts Mr. Innis and Mr. Tisei are seeking to represent.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on June 25, 2014, 05:34:32 am
Apostate Pastor Who Officiated Son’s Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Reinstated

In a reversal, an apostate Pennsylvania pastor who was defrocked last year for violating United Methodist law after he officiated at his son’s so-called same-sex wedding has been reinstated.

Frank Schaefer learned Tuesday (June 24) his ministerial credentials will be restored after the United Methodist’s Northeastern Jurisdictional Committee on Appeals voted 8-1 in his favor.

The committee, which held a hearing June 20 near Baltimore, found that “errors of Church law” had been used in imposing the penalty against Schaefer.

“I was wrongfully punished for standing with those who are discriminated against,” Schaefer said in a statement. “Today’s decision is a sign that the church is starting to listen.”

Schaefer said he and his family will move to California as early as next week to accept an invitation to serve in the United Methodist’s California-Pacific Conference.

That conference recently passed a resolution calling for an end to trials in cases of clergy violating policy connected with so-called “gay rights”.

“I will not refuse ministry to anyone,” he said. “I will never be silent again. I will always speak for my LGBTQ brothers and sisters.”

The decision to reinstate Schaefer comes as the world’s 12 million United Methodists appear headed toward a split over the denomination’s rules on prohibiting homosexual behavior.

“The events over the last nine months make the division in our church much more clear,” said Tom Lambrecht, vice president and general manager of Good News, a conservative group within the United Methodist Church. “I have not seen a realistic option that will allow us to live together in one church.”

More than 80 pastors recently signed a statement saying the United Methodists have irreconcilable differences on the issue of homosexuality and a split is imminent. More than 2,500 United Methodist leaders have signed “A Way Forward,” a proposal calling for local decisions on openly homosexual clergy and so-called same-sex marriage.

Several other United Methodist clergy, including a retired bishop, are awaiting news of formal church complaints or trials for defying Methodist policy and biblical . A group of 10 retired clergy said earlier this month they would preside at same-sex marriages.

Schaefer, formerly pastor of Zion United Methodist Church in Iona, was found guilty of violating the church’s Book of Discipline in a November 2013 trial. A church jury suspended him for 30 days, during which he was told to decide whether he could comply with church law. If he could not, the jury said he was to surrender his clergy credentials.

The United Methodist Church accepts open homosexuals as members, but its Book of Discipline calls the practice of homosexuality “incompatible with Christian teaching” and bars clergy from performing the so-called same-sex unions.

But the appeals committee ruled that the penalty was beyond those outlined in church law. It also said the penalty “could not be predicated on a future possibility.”

The committee also ruled that the Eastern Pennsylvania Annual Conference must compensate Schaefer for all lost salary and benefits from the date he lost his credentials, Dec. 19, 2013.

The committee’s decision could be appealed to the Judicial Council, the church’s highest court.

RNS / Christian News Network contributed to this report.

http://christiannews.net/2014/06/25/apostate-pastor-who-officiated-sons-same-sex-marriage-reinstated/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 09, 2014, 10:57:43 am
http://theweek.com/article/index/264339/christian-bookstores-are-the-next-gay-marriage-battleground
 Christian bookstores are the next gay-marriage battleground
If you think all Christian publishers reflexively oppose same-sex marriage, you are very, very wrong

7/9/14

The battle over gay marriage is being fought in nearly every corner of American society — from public schools to the highest courts, and from television sitcoms to neighborhood barbecues.

Religious Americans — particularly evangelical Christians — have often been at the center of these debates, attempting to hold the line on traditional understandings of marriage. But as support for same-sex marriage grows (a clear majority of Americans now favor same-sex marriage), many Christians are starting to shift. Indeed, the majority of white mainline Protestants, white Catholics, and Latino Catholics now back same-sex marriage rights. Strong majorities of white evangelical Protestants and black Protestants continue to oppose gay marriage, but there are both geographical and generational cracks in the foundation.

Many of the largest Christian publishers are coming out with books supporting same-sex relationships. More are on the way. These books have spurred praise from pro-gay Christians and strong resistance from the movement's right flank. All of this indicates that Christian publishing may be the next battleground in America's explosive debates about gay marriage.

Rewind to April when Convergent Books, a division of Crown Publishing Group, released God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same Sex Relationships by Matthew Vines. The book is an attempt by Vines, whose 2012 YouTube video claimed that "being gay is not a sin" went viral, to argue that the Bible does not condemn committed, monogamous same-sex relationships. The book's release sent many conservative Christians into panic mode.

Christopher Yuan, an author and Christian professor who claims God saved him from the "gay lifestyle", wrote a withering review of Vines' book in Christianity Today. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, warned that the book sought "to overthrow two millennia of Christian moral wisdom" and released a full-length e-book to rebut Vines' arguments.

But the final hammer fell in mid-May when the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) forced Waterbrook Multnomah Publishing Group, an evangelical publisher and the sister imprint of the one that published Vines' book, to resign its membership in the organization.

"Unfortunately, while the Multnomah Publishing Group is separate from Convergent, as a legal and business entity, the staff of the Multnomah and Convergent operations are substantially the same," wrote NRB CEO and president Jerry Johnson. "This issue comes down to NRB members producing unbiblical material, regardless of the label under which they do it."

NRB essentially not only forbade members from publishing such books, but said they can't be professionally associated with publishing imprints who do. Call it six degrees of Matthew Vines.

The question now facing NRB and similar organizations is not what they'll do with Convergent, but how they'll respond to other books from Christian publishers arguing similar positions. An increasing number of titles advocate for a rethinking, reframing, or outright reversal of the traditional Christian understanding of sexuality. To wit:

    Wendy VanderWal-Gritter argues in Generous Spaciousness: Responding to Gay Christians in the Church that congregations should be open to more progressive views on sexuality. The book was released by Brazos Press, an imprint associated with the evangelical Baker Publishing Group.

    James Brownson makes seminary-level arguments in Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church's Debate on Same-Sex Relationships to claim that the Bible allows for committed same-sex relationships. The book is becoming a staple among Christians with progressive views on sexuality and was released by the Christian academic press, Eerdmans.

    Justin Lee in Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate and Jay Bakker in Fall to Grace take progressive stances on the issue. Both titles were published by Jericho Books, a sister imprint to an evangelical press that publishes books by conservatives like James Dobson.

    Pastor Mark Achtemeier shares why he has shifted in The Bible's 'Yes' to Same Sex Marriage: An Evangelical's Change of Heart. The Presbyterian Westminster John Knox Press released the book. Pastor Ken Wilson released a similar work, A Letter to My Congregation, with a smaller independent press.

My sources within Christian publishing tell me that many similar titles by gay Christians, professors, and pastors who have changed their positions are being acquired and developed now.

One such book is Facing the Music: Discovering Real Life, Real Love, and Real Faith by Jennifer Knapp, which is set for release in October.. Knapp is a Grammy-nominated Christian musician who has come out as a lesbian. Howard Books is a Christian imprint of Simon and Schuster that also publishes the Duck Dynasty brand and many conservative evangelical authors.

Howard is not a member of NRB, but the publisher is a member of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). Mark Kuyper, president and CEO of the ECPA, says no members have attempted to challenge Howard or Waterbrook Multnomah's membership. Publishing books affirming same-sex relationships would not be grounds for removal, according to Kuyper, because it would not violate the ECPA's statement of faith.

Kuyper agreed with my hunch that we're at the beginning of this trend. He told me that he expects to see more titles from Christian publishers released on both sides of the issue in the coming months and years.

"Part of what is so wonderful about publishing is that it is the marketplace of ideas," Kuyper says. "Christianity has gotten to the point where it is brave enough to publish two sides of a hot-button issue from a biblical perspective, and that's really impressive. I can't recall a time when I've ever seen this happen before, and I think it is a positive development."

**They've been doing that since 1980 - when the whole "religious right" formed - only different being that the sodomy agenda is "winning" the battle now.

We can assume that many of Kuyper's conservative Christian colleagues don't share his optimism about this trend in Christian publishing. Of course, what matters is not what the religious talking heads think, but whether the masses of pew-sitting, church-going, vote-casting Christians will be persuaded.

And mark this down: If the battle over same-sex relationships being fought among conservative Christians is won by the pro-gay advocates among them, the larger cultural war is all but over.

**And that's been the end game of this "culture war" - Thesis and Antithesis("religious conversatives" vs "the sodomites") - ultimately to bring in a "compromise" and acceptance of the sodomy issue to the Apostate Church.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 09, 2014, 07:38:49 pm
http://www.christianpost.com/news/kentucky-baptist-church-to-hold-gay-wedding-122645/
Kentucky Baptist Church to Hold Gay Wedding
7/2/14

A Baptist congregation in Kentucky has garnered national headlines for its intention to hold a gay wedding at its facility, despite most of their fellow Baptist churches' disapproval.

Highland Baptist Church of Louisville recently announced their intention to hold a same-sex wedding for David Bannister Jr., 29, and Steven Carr, 25. It is scheduled for next May.

Joseph Phelps, pastor at Highland Baptist, told The Christian Post that the gay couple "have been active and faithful members of the congregation for over five years."

"Our deacons concluded that conscience would not allow us to welcome gay and lesbian members as full members of our congregation … without also granting them both the responsibilities and rights of all our other members," said Phelps.

Highland Baptist is officially affiliated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and the Kentucky Baptist Fellowship.

The Rev. Laura Barclay, spokeswoman with the Kentucky Baptist Fellowship, told CP that her organization does not have an official position on gay marriage.

"Because we represent autonomous congregations, we only take official positions on the matters in which we all agree," said Barclay.

"Therefore, KBF does not have an official position on marriage definition. Our organization promotes churches coming together for mission and ministry … We welcome any churches who want to partner to further the Kingdom of God."

Barclay added that "Highland Baptist Church is exercising their right as a free, autonomous church to act on their beliefs."

"They are expressing freedom of religion, a crucial tenet of the Baptist faith. We also know they have spent a great deal of time in prayer and reflection and have been very intentional about their process," said Barclay.

Likewise Jeff Huett, associate coordinator of Communications and Advancement for the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, told CP that no official position either way existed.

"The Cooperative Baptist Fellowship does not issue official positions on homosexuality because it violates the Fellowship's mission as a network of individuals and churches," said Huett.

"CBF values and respects the autonomy of each individual and local church to evaluate and make their own decision regarding social issues like homosexuality."

News of the wedding at Highland Baptist came around the same time as a ruling by a U.S. District Court declaring Kentucky's state marriage amendment unconstitutional.

On Tuesday Judge John Heyburn in Louisville concluded that the ban violated the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

The decision was the most recent of over 20 across the country declaring various state-level bans unconstitutional.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on July 12, 2014, 11:18:29 am
Christian bookstores are the next gay-marriage battleground

If you think all Christian publishers reflexively oppose same-sex marriage, you are very, very wrong

The battle over gay marriage is being fought in nearly every corner of American society — from public schools to the highest courts, and from television sitcoms to neighborhood barbecues.

Religious Americans — particularly evangelical Christians — have often been at the center of these debates, attempting to hold the line on traditional understandings of marriage. But as support for same-sex marriage grows (a clear majority of Americans now favor same-sex marriage), many Christians are starting to shift. Indeed, the majority of white mainline Protestants, white Catholics, and Latino Catholics now back same-sex marriage rights. Strong majorities of white evangelical Protestants and black Protestants continue to oppose gay marriage, but there are both geographical and generational cracks in the foundation.

Many of the largest Christian publishers are coming out with books supporting same-sex relationships. More are on the way. These books have spurred praise from pro-gay Christians and strong resistance from the movement's right flank. All of this indicates that Christian publishing may be the next battleground in America's explosive debates about gay marriage.

Rewind to April when Convergent Books, a division of Crown Publishing Group, released God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same Sex Relationships by Matthew Vines. The book is an attempt by Vines, whose 2012 YouTube video claimed that "being gay is not a sin" went viral, to argue that the Bible does not condemn committed, monogamous same-sex relationships. The book's release sent many conservative Christians into panic mode.

Christopher Yuan, an author and Christian professor who claims God saved him from the "gay lifestyle," wrote a withering review of Vines' book in Christianity Today. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, warned that the book sought "to overthrow two millennia of Christian moral wisdom" and released a full-length e-book to rebut Vines' arguments.

But the final hammer fell in mid-May when the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) forced Waterbrook Multnomah Publishing Group, an evangelical publisher and the sister imprint of the one that published Vines' book, to resign its membership in the organization.

"Unfortunately, while the Multnomah Publishing Group is separate from Convergent, as a legal and business entity, the staff of the Multnomah and Convergent operations are substantially the same," wrote NRB CEO and president Jerry Johnson. "This issue comes down to NRB members producing unbiblical material, regardless of the label under which they do it."

NRB essentially not only forbade members from publishing such books, but said they can't be professionally associated with publishing imprints that do. Call it six degrees of Matthew Vines.

The question now facing NRB and similar organizations is not what they'll do with Convergent, but how they'll respond to other books from Christian publishers arguing similar positions. An increasing number of titles advocate for a rethinking, reframing, or outright reversal of the traditional Christian understanding of sexuality. To wit:

    Wendy VanderWal-Gritter argues in Generous Spaciousness: Responding to Gay Christians in the Church that congregations should be open to more progressive views on sexuality. The book was released by Brazos Press, an imprint associated with the evangelical Baker Publishing Group.

    James Brownson makes seminary-level arguments in Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church's Debate on Same-Sex Relationships to claim that the Bible allows for committed same-sex relationships. The book is becoming a staple among Christians with progressive views on sexuality and was released by the Christian academic press, Eerdmans.

    Justin Lee in Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate and Jay Bakker in Fall to Grace take progressive stances on the issue. Both titles were published by Jericho Books, a sister imprint to an evangelical press that publishes books by conservatives like James Dobson.

    Pastor Mark Achtemeier shares why he has shifted in The Bible's 'Yes' to Same Sex Marriage: An Evangelical's Change of Heart. The Presbyterian Westminster John Knox Press released the book. Pastor Ken Wilson released a similar work, A Letter to My Congregation, with a smaller independent press.

My sources within Christian publishing tell me that many similar titles by gay Christians, professors, and pastors who have changed their positions are being acquired and developed now.

One such book is Facing the Music: Discovering Real Life, Real Love, and Real Faith by Jennifer Knapp, which is set for release in October. Knapp is a Grammy-nominated Christian musician who has come out as a lesbian. Howard Books is a Christian imprint of Simon & Schuster that also publishes the Duck Dynasty brand and many conservative evangelical authors.

Howard is not a member of NRB, but the publisher is a member of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). Mark Kuyper, president and CEO of the ECPA, says no members have attempted to challenge Howard or Waterbrook Multnomah's membership. Publishing books affirming same-sex relationships would not be grounds for removal, according to Kuyper, because it would not violate the ECPA's statement of faith.

Kuyper agreed with my hunch that we're at the beginning of this trend. He told me that he expects to see more titles from Christian publishers released on both sides of the issue in the coming months and years.

"Part of what is so wonderful about publishing is that it is the marketplace of ideas," Kuyper says. "Christianity has gotten to the point where it is brave enough to publish two sides of a hot-button issue from a biblical perspective, and that's really impressive. I can't recall a time when I've ever seen this happen before, and I think it is a positive development."

We can assume that many of Kuyper's conservative Christian colleagues don't share his optimism about this trend in Christian publishing. Of course, what matters is not what the religious talking heads think, but whether the masses of pew-sitting, church-going, vote-casting Christians will be persuaded.

And mark this down: If the battle over same-sex relationships being fought among conservative Christians is won by the pro-gay advocates among them, the larger cultural war is all but over.

http://theweek.com/article/index/264339/christian-bookstores-are-the-next-gay-marriage-battleground


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on July 15, 2014, 09:03:21 am
   1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Vote Allows Female Bishops in Church of England

 For the first time in history, women will be allowed to serve as bishops in the Church of England. The decision by the General Synod overturns generations of traditional rules discriminating against female clergy members.

According to World.Mic, members of the Church of England proposed a change in rules in 2012, but traditionalist members of the denomination resisted. Now women have the opportunity to "exert proportional influence and representation within the domestic church leadership, impacting policy and decision-making, providing a necessary perspective on critical issues of debate," World.Mic reports.

The Church of England's decision follows similar policy changes in other Anglican denominations in the United States, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/vote-allows-female-bishops-in-church-of-england.html


Title: Evangelicals Are Changing Their Minds on Gay Marriage
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 18, 2014, 05:02:48 pm
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/evangelicals-gay-marriage-108608.html#.U8hfALHt928
7/7/14
Evangelicals Are Changing
Their Minds on Gay Marriage

And the Bible isn’t getting in their way.

By JIM HINCH

July 07, 2014

Amy Tincher is an evangelical Christian who plays bass in the band at her suburban Ohio church, where she and her fellow congregants firmly believe the “words we adhere to” are those in the Bible. But last summer, without telling her husband and two kids exactly what she was doing, she boarded a plane for a conference in Kansas whose purpose many evangelicals would plainly consider heretical.

Tincher was one of 50 people flown from around the country and the world—Canada, China, Nigeria and South Korea—to a four-day Bible boot camp dedicated to discussing, and embracing, gay relationships. The gathering was organized by Matthew Vines, who by then was enjoying modest fame for a 2012 YouTube video in which Vines, looking even younger than his 21 years, delivers an hour-long lecture arguing that the Bible does not, in fact, condemn all same-sex relationships. The video has gone viral, racking up more than 730,000 views to date, landing Vines on the cover of the New York Times Sunday Styles section and helping him raise $100,000 for the conference, where he launched The Reformation Project, a nationwide network of pro-gay evangelicals committed to ending their church’s longstanding hostility toward gay people.

Tincher told me she had once “tried on” an anti-gay attitude to fit in with her conservative community in Liberty Township, outside Cincinnati, but like many evangelicals, she struggled to see how homophobia could accord with an all-loving Christian God. So when her pastor sent her a link to Vines’ video, she recalls, “I remember sitting in my kitchen and just crying. I knew it in my heart, but I had never been told that from the pulpit.”

It’s no secret that attitudes toward same-sex relations have changed in this country: Gay marriage is legal in 19 states plus the District of Columbia, and all major public opinion surveys now show a majority of Americans are in favor of it. But Matthew Vines and Amy Tincher are no longer outliers either: Increasingly, even evangelical Christians, long known for doctrinally condemning homosexuality, are embracing gay people, too.

Matthew Vines' video arguing that the Bible does not condemn same-sex marriage has gotten more than 730,000 views on YouTube, and helped him start a network of evangelicals committed to ending anti-gay attitudes in the church.

Over the past decade, evangelical support for gay marriage has more than doubled, according to polling by the nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute. About a quarter of evangelicals now support same-sex unions, the institute has found, with an equal number occupying what researchers at Baylor University last year called the “messy middle” of those who oppose gay marriage on moral grounds but no longer support efforts to outlaw it. The shift is especially visible among young evangelicals under age 35, a near majority of whom now support same-sex marriage. And gay student organizations have recently formed at Christian colleges across the country, including flagship evangelical campuses such as Wheaton College in Illinois and Baylor in Texas.

Even some of the most prominent evangelicals—megachurch pastors, seminary professors and bestselling authors—have publicly announced their support for gay marriage in recent months. Other leaders who remain opposed to gay unions have lowered their profiles on the issue. After endorsing a gay marriage ban passed in California in 2008, Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of one of the country’s biggest megachurches, said in 2009 that he had apologized to all “all my gay friends” and that fighting gay marriage was “very low” on his list of priorities. Just last month, the Presbyterian Church, a Protestant denomination with a significant, though declining, minority of evangelicals, voted to allow ministers to perform same-sex weddings in states where they are legal.

Support for same-sex marriage remains lowest among evangelical Christians, but they are beginning to catch up: Between 2001 and 2014, evangelicals saw the largest percent increase in support for gay marriage, compared to other religious groupings surveyed by Pew Research.

The change has taken conservative political leaders by surprise, fractured the coalition against gay marriage and begun to dry up funding for some of the traditional-marriage movement’s most prominent organizations. Just a decade ago, conservative Christians powered an electoral surge that outlawed gay unions in 11 states and, in the view of many political analysts, helped to ensure President George W. Bush’s 2004 reelection. Barely one in 10 evangelicals supported gay marriage, and church leaders like Warren urged their followers to vote against same-sex unions. Evangelicals “could not stand idly by while the radical gay agenda was forced down their throats,” James Dobson, then the chairman of the conservative Christian advocacy group Focus on the Family, said at the time. At its extreme, evangelical denunciation of gay people turned hateful and violent. Televangelist Jimmy Swaggart drew widespread condemnation in 2004 when he told an audience, “I’ve never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I’m gonna be blunt and plain: If one ever looks at me like that, I’m gonna kill him and tell God he died.”

Now, Christian political groups, including Focus on the Family and the National Association of Evangelicals, have virtually stopped campaigning on the issue, shifting their focus to legal efforts to shield religious business owners from having to cater to gay weddings. Republican politicians, who historically have relied on evangelical support, are backing away, too. In Ohio, where in 2004 evangelical activists were among the first in the nation to campaign for a successful ballot measure outlawing gay unions, both Rob Portman, the state’s Republican senator, and Jim Petro, former Republican attorney general, now support overturning the ban.

“We must prepare people for what the future holds, when Christian beliefs about marriage and sexuality aren’t part of the cultural consensus but are seen to be strange and freakish and even subversive,” Russell Moore, chief political spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote in an April blog post. As if in confirmation of Moore’s warning, the following month, a Southern Baptist congregation outside Los Angeles became the first in the 16 million-member denomination to vote to accept gay worshippers even if they are in relationships. “I realized I no longer believed in the traditional teachings regarding homosexuality,” the church’s pastor, Danny Cortez, wrote in an online statement.

Such views will only become more common in the years ahead, says Jeremy Thomas, an Idaho State University sociologist who has studied conservative Christians’ changing attitudes toward homosexuality. “Evangelicals will more or less come to embrace homosexuality in the next 20 to 30 years,” Thomas predicts. “I would put all my money on that statement.”

***

For a branch of Christianity devoted to scriptural interpretation, a debate about gay marriage was bound to contend with what the Bible says on the matter. Sure enough, as the politics of same-sex marriage have changed, a quiet movement to change evangelicals’ very interpretation of the Bible has gained momentum.

Just a few years ago, opposition to homosexuality was considered a cornerstone of conservative Christian thought, and gay relationships presented what many Christian leaders described as an existential challenge to orthodoxy. “What’s at stake here is the very foundation of our society, not only of America but all Western civilization,” Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, declared following a 2003 Supreme Court ruling striking down a Texas sodomy ban. Liberal Christians have argued for years that the Bible’s statements on sexuality, ranging from endorsement of polygamy to praise of celibacy, are complicated and rooted in their historical contexts. But now, pro-gay rights evangelicals want to prove that supporting gay relationships doesn’t contradict the authority of scripture.

That’s the idea behind Matthew Vines’ Reformation Project, whose second conference is expected to draw as many as 900 people to Washington, D.C., this fall. Vines, now 24, came up with the idea for the project after taking a leave of absence from his studies Harvard University to study the Bible and Christian history, all in an effort to convince fellow evangelicals, including his own parents in Wichita, that they should embrace gay people like him. He argues that the handful of biblical passages that evangelicals often cite as condemning same-sex relationships—the Sodom and Gomorrah story, for instance, or St. Paul’s denunciation of pagan Roman men “consumed with passion for one another”—need not be interpreted as anti-gay.

In April, when Vines published a book about these beliefs, God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships, it sparked a torrent of online conversation and prompted the National Religious Broadcasters, an association of Christian media groups, to kick out the book’s Christian publisher for “unbiblical material.” But God and the Gay Christian now sits near the top of several religion bestseller lists on Amazon, and, even more strikingly, prominent evangelical pastors are echoing Vines’ interpretation.

“While influenced by God, [the Bible] is not dictated by God,” Adam Hamilton, the pastor of an influential Methodist megachurch near Kansas City, Missouri, said in a recent interview. “It is possible to be a faithful Christian who loves God and loves the scriptures and at the same time to believe that the handful of verses on same-sex intimacy are like the hundreds of passages accepting and regulating slavery or other practices we today believe do not express the heart and character of God.” Evangelical scholars like James Brownson, professor of New Testament studies at Western Theological Seminary in Michigan and author of the book Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships, similarly believe that people in same-sex relationships can still be redeemed by God. “Can gay and lesbian people experience the work of the Spirit and transformation of heart such that their sexual desire can be drawn into the life of God and reflect God’s love?” he said to me. “My answer is yes.”

Of course, many evangelicals still uphold traditional church teachings on homosexuality and rush to defend them. Days before Vines’ book was published, the American Family Association, a Mississippi-based evangelical nonprofit organization, issued a press release headlined, “God and the Gay Christian Is Anything but Biblically Accurate: American Family Association Calls Out Book’s False Message and Misleading Marketing.” “What we are seeing is the impact of this relentless brainwashing by the mainstream media, and it affects people that aren’t thinking clearly or aren’t grounded in a biblical worldview,” AFA’s issues analysis director, Bryan Fischer, told me. “There are some evangelical leaders who are sounding a very defeatist tone—the battle is over, and we lost and we have to get used to it. That kind of defeatism just has no place in the evangelical community.”

And yet, even in the statements of evangelical leaders ardently opposed to same-sex marriage, there is a new tone of uncertainty. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, posted a lengthy online critique of Vines’ book the day it was published. “Evangelical Christians in the United States now face an inevitable moment of decision,” Mohler writes. While calling Vines’ argument “neither true nor faithful to Scripture,” he acknowledges that it is “nonetheless, a prototype of the kind of argument we can now expect.”

That argument is making its mark on politics, too.

Since World War II, notes Jeremy Thomas, the Idaho State sociologist, evangelicals have moved toward more liberal views on numerous social issues, including divorce, women in the workplace and pre-marital sex. In more recent years, they also have embraced liberal views on an array of social justice causes, such as climate change, human trafficking and immigration reform.

**That's what we were saying all along - these "evangelicals" showed through and through their hypocricies when they turned a blind eye to no-fault divorce, women in the workplace(a feminism agenda to boot), and social justice.

But the particular issue with the biggest implications for evangelical views of homosexuality may be the AIDS epidemic in Africa. A decade ago, inspired in part by the activism of Rev. Rick Warren’s wife, Kay, evangelicals helped to persuade President Bush to propose his landmark $15 billion Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. A side effect of the effort was stronger ties between evangelical churches and AIDS relief organizations, many of which are staffed in large part by gay people. In a 2006 interview for an article I co-wrote in Guideposts magazine, Kay Warren recalled meeting the gay director of a local Orange County HIV outreach organization. The outreach director “wanted to know what we thought of homosexuality, and I was stumbling my way through that,” she recalled. “What I had going for me was he could tell that I was sincere and that I genuinely did care about people with HIV, and I wasn’t trying to judge people or clients from his agency.”

Kay Warren’s collaboration with the gay community appears also to have affected her husband, who has continued to tone down his rhetoric on same-sex marriage. After apologizing for publicly endorsing California’s Proposition 8, Rick Warren, perhaps the country’s most famous evangelical pastor, went even further last year. “Sex is for a man and a woman in marriage,” he told Piers Morgan, but added, “It’s not against the law for you to love anybody, a man or a woman, OK? It’s not criminal—at least shouldn’t be.” Asked in another interview to comment on false rumors that his son Matthew, who committed suicide last year after a long battle with mental illness, was gay, Warren said, “Matthew wasn’t gay. But if he was, we would have loved him unconditionally anyway. It wouldn’t make one difference at all.”

Evangelical Christians like Warren still might never go so far as to support laws allowing gay marriage in the United States. But leading anti-gay marriage organizations are already feeling the financial effects of the evangelical population’s widespread moderation. The National Organization for Marriage, which has funded nationwide efforts to prohibit gay unions for the past seven years and last month sponsored its annual March for Marriage in Washington, D.C., reported a roughly $2 million deficit on its 2012 tax return, the most recent publicly available. And just three donors contributed nearly two-thirds of the organization’s $9.3 million in donations that year.

On April 30, NOM President Brian Brown appealed to followers in an urgent blog post about the upcoming march: “It’s the end of the month and bills are coming due. Contracts have been signed that require payment in advance for logistics, equipment, consumables, travel arrangements and many, many more critical details. We are still around $25,000 short of our $100,000 fundraising goal for this month—will you help us close the gap with an immediate and generous donation?” In a phone interview that same day, Brown insisted, “We have lots of support.” But he also conceded, “We have some debt, but not at the 2012 level. … We don’t accept the dominant narrative that this is lost.” (Brown did not respond to a follow-up request for comment after the march about NOM’s finances or estimates that the march drew only a few thousand protesters.)

Pro-gay rights groups, in contrast, are bringing in more and more money, said Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association. He pointed to the money behind a pro-gay outreach initiative among several national gay advocacy organizations, including the Human Rights Campaign, that aims to expand LGBT rights in Southern states; Colorado gay rights philanthropist Tim Gill has committed $25 million to the effort. In 2012, the AFA, in comparison, raised $17.2 million and ended the year with a $4.5 million deficit, according to tax records. “They spend more on this one specific project than comprises our entire budget,” Fischer said. “There’s no way in the world we’re going to outspend them.”

In response, evangelical groups are changing their political priorities. Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst for Focus on the Family, said opponents of gay marriage currently have no plans to introduce new ballot measures banning same-sex marriage outside the 31 states where it is already illegal. “You have to take the long view and the spiritual view about these cultural swings,” he said, “and try to protect the territory you can.”

In evangelical communities like Amy Tincher’s, the transformation is still a work in progress. She says her husband, Adam, once “mildly” homophobic, is “listening to me and hearing me.” In May, the couple decided to leave their Liberty Township church, New Vienna United Methodist, and join a United Church of Christ congregation closer to their home, where Tincher was “blown away by the acceptance and the welcoming” at Sunday services. Tincher had started a pro-gay Bible study group at New Vienna and informally counseled gay teens, but some of her peers were turned off; two of them left the roughly 75-person congregation for a few weeks when they learned of her activism, the pastor, Sarah Chapman, told me. “I felt a tug like it was time to move on [to] a congregation that is hungry, thirsty for the knowledge that I have,” Tincher says.

At the church she is leaving behind, it’s clear the topic of same-sex relationships is at least fading as a cause for hostility. A lesbian couple has even started attending services there. “It’s almost like there’s an armistice agreement in our congregation,” Chapman, the pastor, says. “I do not preach about homosexuality from the pulpit, because this is an issue about which good people disagree.”



Title: Baptist church ordains transgender woman
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 18, 2014, 05:05:20 pm
http://abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/item/28922-baptist-church-ordains-transgender-woman
7/10/14
Baptist church ordains transgender woman

In what is likely a first, Calvary Baptist Church in Washington ordained Allyson Robinson, who was previously ordained as a man, to the gospel ministry.

A transgender woman who attended George W. Truett Theological Seminary and pastored a church in Central Texas as a man has returned to the pulpit.

Allyson Robinson began June 23 as transitions pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Washington. The calling is temporary — helping with preaching, mentoring and pastoral care duties along with the deacons until the church names a longer-term intentional interim pastor — probably this fall.

Calvary Baptist reaffirmed Robinson’s ordination June 15, prior to Pastor Amy Butler’s departure to become senior minister of the historic and progressive Riverside Church in New York City.

“Allyson Dylan Robinson is a minister of the gospel, trained for the task, and ordained to the gospel ministry by another community in which she has served as pastor,” Butler said in an ordination litany later posted on her blog.

“Over the course of her journey, God has invited her to step into the faithful witness of a new identity, a true identity, and a new name,” she continued. “While we have always known her as Allyson, she was ordained with a different name.”

Robinson, an LGBT-rights activist who has worked in the past for the Human Rights Campaign and as executive director of OutServe, a network for gays in the military, has previous experience in pastoral ministry including five years at Azorean Baptist Church in Portugal and as pastor of Meadow Oaks Baptist Church in Temple, Texas, while studying for her M.Div. at Truett Seminary between 2005 and 2007.

A 1994 graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, Robinson was commissioned as an officer in the Army. Then known as Daniel Robinson, she commanded PATRIOT missile units in Europe and the Middle East, served as a senior trainer/evaluator for NATO and was an adviser to the armed forces of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar.

She resigned her commission in 1999 to pursue a calling to Christian ministry. She enrolled at Truett intending to continue in ministry as a Christian man, but her first few semesters turned into soul searching about gender-identity issues that had haunted her since childhood.

“I prayed for 25 years of my life, since I was old enough to know how to pray, that God would fix me,” Robinson told the Waco Tribune-Herald in 2011. “I did everything I thought God wanted me to do, that a good Christian man should do.”

When things got to the point where she contemplated suicide, Robinson went into therapy. About halfway through her M.Div. studies she told loved ones about her desire to live as a woman. Danyelle Robinson, who married Daniel Robinson in 1994 and is the mother of their four children, stood by her spouse.

Robinson postponed her “coming out” until her graduation from Truett in December 2007, because of Baylor University policies regarding homosexuality and gender identity. She resigned from the pulpit before her final semester.

Today Robinson runs Warrior Poet Strategies, a consulting firm that advises clients on organizational design, change strategy, diversity management and social and civic entrepreneurship.

“Calvary’s affirmation of my ordination is certainly very meaningful to my family and me,” Robinson said in an email July 9. “Prior to my ‘coming out,’ we lamented that soon we would never be welcome in a church of our tradition again. To our great joy the Calvary family proved us wrong, just as it has so many others who have felt similar fears.”

“They have embraced Danyelle, our children, and I wholeheartedly and unreservedly,” she said. “They've ministered to us in our times of need and offered us the opportunity to minister to others in theirs. Calvary has been a catalyst for real healing in our lives — the kind that has empowered us to serve with our whole selves and demands that we do no less.”

Eva Powell, chair of Calvary’s personnel committee, said the church is grateful for Robinson’s leadership and her willingness to serve.

“As an active member of our congregation, Allyson has preached for us on many occasions, served in various lay leadership positions and ministered to fellow Calvary members,” Powell said. “We have all had the chance to witness the many ways God has blessed her with a talent for ministry.”

“When it came time to find someone to help lead us until an interim is in place, Allyson was an obvious and natural choice, as someone already within our congregation who is gifted to serve in this capacity,” Powell said. 

Robinson’s ordination service came just weeks after a Time cover story headlined “The Transgender Tipping Point” forecasting the next big social movement to challenge prevailing cultural beliefs.

Meeting June 10-11 just up the road from Calvary in Baltimore, the Southern Baptist Convention adopted a resolution opposing both attempts to alter “bodily identity” through cross-sex hormone therapy or gender-reassignment surgery and “all efforts by any governing official or body to validate transgender identity as morally praiseworthy.”

Powell said the decision by Calvary’s leadership board to select Robinson as transitions pastor was unanimous and indicative of the congregation’s long tradition of striving “to open ourselves to the movement of God's Spirit in our individual lives and the life of our community.”

“Quite simply, this is who we — Calvary Baptist Church, specifically, and Christians more generally — are called to be,” Powell said, “a place that reflects God’s love and recognizes, affirms and nurtures God’s call in each of our lives.”


Title: Re: Evangelicals Are Changing Their Minds on Gay Marriage
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 18, 2014, 07:10:51 pm
Quote
But the particular issue with the biggest implications for evangelical views of homosexuality may be the AIDS epidemic in Africa. A decade ago, inspired in part by the activism of Rev. Rick Warren’s wife, Kay, evangelicals helped to persuade President Bush to propose his landmark $15 billion Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. A side effect of the effort was stronger ties between evangelical churches and AIDS relief organizations, many of which are staffed in large part by gay people. In a 2006 interview for an article I co-wrote in Guideposts magazine, Kay Warren recalled meeting the gay director of a local Orange County HIV outreach organization. The outreach director “wanted to know what we thought of homosexuality, and I was stumbling my way through that,” she recalled. “What I had going for me was he could tell that I was sincere and that I genuinely did care about people with HIV, and I wasn’t trying to judge people or clients from his agency.”
Wow...yeah, knew that Warren did alot of damage to churches in America, but nonetheless did NOT know he went to THIS extent!(by getting churches to work with AIDS relief organizations et al, which have sodomite staff members) And THIS when Bush II was in his FIRST term in office!(not that Bush was ever good, but just saying)

So he was doing his part to bring in the sodomy agenda to churches ALL ALONG!(and not just "recently" when he "backed down" his support for CA's Prop 8)


Title: Re: Baptist church ordains transgender woman
Post by: FervorForFaith on July 18, 2014, 11:20:00 pm
Baptist church ordains transgender woman

In what is likely a first, Calvary Baptist Church in Washington ordained Allyson Robinson, who was previously ordained as a man, to the gospel ministry.

Oh you have to be kidding me...

*barfs*

I want to stay here and continue working for the Lord, but at the same time, when I hear things like this, it makes me want to go up sooner...


Title: Re: Baptist church ordains transgender woman
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 19, 2014, 10:19:23 am
Oh you have to be kidding me...

*barfs*

I want to stay here and continue working for the Lord, but at the same time, when I hear things like this, it makes me want to go up sooner...

Yeah, whenever I read stories like these - it's a constant reminder that the rapture is very imminent. I know I've been saying since 2008 that the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble is right around the corner(and who knows if we have a couple or so more years), but nonetheless STAY SOBER, don't love this present world, and keep looking up especially when you read stories like this that are WAY beyond anyone's imagination!


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on August 12, 2014, 07:04:16 am
Apostate United Church of Christ Sponsoring Ohio’s ‘Gay Games’

 The Cleveland-based United Church of Christ, which is considered to be apostate by biblical Christians, has sponsored the 2014  international Gay Games—the world’s largest homosexual sporting event—which is currently being held in Ohio until Saturday.

According to reports, the denomination is a silver sponsor of the event, which is stated to be hosting approximately 8,000 homosexual athletes from around the world. The “Gay Games” began on Saturday and continue through August 16th at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, featuring a variety of sporting competitions, from track and field to basketball and softball. Silver sponsorship is the fourth highest level of sponsorship for the games.

Over 30 United Church of Christ congregations are said to have lended to the sponsorship, including Cathedral of Hope United Church of Christ in Dallas, Texas, Trinity United Church of Christ in St. Petersburg, Florida, First Congregational United Church of Christ in Hillsboro, Oregon, St. Paul’s United Church of Christ in Laramie, Wyoming and Trinity Reformed United Church of Christ in Mountville, Pennsylvania.

“It’s a win-win offer of support that will enable the United Church of Christ to be listed among the Gay Games’ top corporate sponsors,” said the J. Bennett Guess, the first openly-gay national officer of the UCC. “[Gay Games] organizers realize that the UCC can play an integral and important role in dispelling the pervasive myth that all people of faith are anti-gay, and we are excited to share our message of extravagant welcome and radical inclusivity.”

In addition to sponsoring the event, an article posted on the United Church of Christ website outlines that two national staff members will compete in the games “to demonstrate the UCC commitment to inclusion, diversity, justice and human rights.” Sandy Sorensen, director of the UCC’s Justice and Witness Ministries office in Washington, D.C, and Mike Schuenemeyer, the UCC’s executive for health and wholeness advocacy, will participate in running, swimming and golfing competitions during the week.

The United Church of Christ, which is outside of biblical orthodoxy and was the first American religious group to ordain homosexuals and affirm abortion, also made headlines earlier this year when it filed a legal challenge against North Carolina’s same-sex “marriage” ban, asserting that it violates the free exercise of religion among clergy.

“By denying same-sex couples the right to marry and prohibiting religious denominations even from performing marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples, the State of North Carolina stigmatizes same-sex couples, as well as the religious institutions and clergy that believe in equal rights,” the suit stated, as reported by the Charlotte Observer.

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Other named in the lawsuit included Joe Hoffman of the First Congregational United Church of Christ in Asheville; Robin Tanner of Piedmont Unitarian Universalist Church; Jonathan Freirich of Temple Beth El; Nancy Kraft of Holy Trinity Lutheran, Nathan King of Trinity Reformed UCC in Concord; Mark Ward of Asheville Unitarian Universalist Congregation and Nancy Petty of Pullen Memorial Baptist in Raleigh.

“It boils down to a view on the authority of Scripture,” Clint Pressley of Hickory Grove Baptist Church told the Charlotte Observer. “The denominations listed have abandoned almost 2,000 years of Christian Orthodoxy. It’s not surprising.”

Tami Fitzgerald, executive director of the North Carolina Values Coalition, likewise lamented the actions of the religious groups that filed the legal challenge.

“These individuals are simply revisionists that distort the teaching of Scripture to justify sexual revolution, not marital sanctity,” she said.

http://christiannews.net/2014/08/12/apostate-united-church-of-christ-sponsoring-ohios-gay-games/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on August 29, 2014, 06:19:03 am
Seventh-Day Adventist Church Facing Lawsuit for Appointing **** as Youth Leader

 The Seventh-Day Adventist Church is facing a $13.5 million lawsuit for allegedly appointing a known **** to a youth group leader position. Two men have said they were sexually abused by the youth leader while involved with the “Pathfinder” group in the 1970s.
 
Leslie Bovee, who had previously served time in prison for sexually abusing three boys, was appointed to head the Pathfinders group, a co-ed youth program in 1972. Bovee was charged again in 1975 for molesting a 12-year-old boy, but continued to lead the group until he left the church in 1979.
 
Attorney Peter Janci, representing the plaintiffs said, "This is a situation where they knew this guy had abused kids and they didn't just let him in the church, they put him in charge of the youth program.”
 
Charisma News reports the men filed suit against the Seventh-Day Adventist Church when they learned the church knew that Bovee was a known sex offender.
 
Richard Whittemore, attorney to the Seventh-Day Adventist Church said, "The church is very aware of all of the issues and takes great pains to make sure this kind of behavior is not going to be repeated.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/seventh-day-adventist-church-facing-lawsuit-for-appointing-****-as-youth-leader.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2014, 02:35:45 pm
So Now We Have 'Gay Theology'?!

First, it was Matthew Vines and his book, God and the Gay Christian. Now, a much more prominent "Christian" "comes out" publicly shouting down anyone who tries to present the truth. Well-known "evangelical" recording artist and social commentator, Vicky Beeching has just revealed that she is "gay." In a recent TV interview on British TV, she appears opposite evangelical attorney Scott Lively who attempts to present God's view on homosexuality. Beeching refused to hear his side, repeatedly interrupting right over the top of Lively's comments. Finally, the moderator “ran out of time.” (Watch video on the WND website: http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/christian-music-sensation-comes-out-of-closet/)

Lively has written extensively on the subject and recaps the history of the rise of the "gay" steamroller. He notes that, after the 1969 Stonewall riots, homosexual activists focused the movement to take down the opposition of any American institution that opposed them.

One of the first to fall was the American Psychiatric Association that bought the lie that homosexuality was no longer a "disorder," but a normal expression of sexuality. Since that first victory just 40 years ago, every other major opposing group has been conquered, including the Boy Scouts just a year ago.

The only organization left is fundamental, bible-believing churches. Most of the liberal, mainline denominations have caved, assisted by new Bible versions gutted of their truth on the subject.

Vines' book claims that Sodom and Gomorrah was only an incident of gang ****, not "sodomy," and that Leviticus 18 is old, outdated law. (This is the same chapter that forbids: incest, adultery, child sacrifice and bestiality.)

Neither Vines nor Beeching will tolerate questioning their basic assumption that they were born "that way;" that's how God made them. Sadly, many "evangelicals" have bought this lie. Even the pope has come out okay with being homosexual, just don't act on it.

Vines discounts the Old Testament statements, claiming that only recently has it been scientifically "discovered" that there are other "orientations" (genders) than male and female.

Lively is sounding a warning what to expect: “All of their battle-hardened activists and enormous resources are all directed at the church,” he says.

And church leaders have not been preparing for the upcoming attack, often ignorant of the issues. Beeching threw down the challenge in the London interview: “What Jesus taught was a radical message of welcome and inclusion and love. I feel certain God loves me just the way I am, and I have a huge sense of calling to communicate that to young people,” she said. The battleground for this lie is our young people.

But is her god the God of the Bible? When you “feel certain” of something, does it make it true? Devout Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, even Mormons “feel certain” about their gods, but they do not match the God of the Bible.

Her god is the same benevolent old grandfather doting on his precious children who can do no wrong. Sure, the God of the Bible is LOVE, but reject the gracious guidelines for His kingdom and righteous judgment becomes His only alternative. The key biblical concept here is called “affection.” Homosexuals talk about “attraction” and “orientation,” as if they have no control. But in his letter to the Colossians, the Apostle Paul instructs us to “SET your affections on things above, not on things on the earth.” God assumes we have control and requires that we use it.

Solomon’s proverb (4:23) commands: “Keep your heart with all diligence...,” again assuming we are not helpless with our affections locked into an “orientation.”

To counter the imminent attack, the church must first arm itself with God’s preserved words in English, the Authorized King James Bible. Modern versions have compromised His words, giving the enemy ammunition to create doubt in God’s viewpoint. Then we must speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15) to our young people, guiding them in guarding their hearts and shepherding their affections away from the lie that God created more than two genders.

http://www.chick.com/articles/gay_theology.asp


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Christian40 on September 03, 2014, 04:46:59 am
by FervorForFaith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk95QjLMeX0&list=UU3LzU55vxS5liVibhrUXkOw


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on September 11, 2014, 08:36:54 pm
I really hate it when a Catholic makes a good argument...  But some good points...

Cardinal: U.S. ‘Creed’ on Gay Marriage Like Sharia Law

Cardinal Francis George, head of the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago, said the levers of power in government, education, entertainment, and media are enforcing a “public creed,” a “fake church” that requires all citizens to approve of gay marriage and related sexual anomalies or be punished by the State, just “as Christians and Jews are fined for their religion in countries governed by Sharia law.”

Cardinal George, who was president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in 2007-10, made his remarks in his Sept. 7 column for the archdiocesean newspaper. In his commentary, the cardinal explains that America, despite social frictions at certain times, had always strived to ensure religious freedom and respect for different religions.

The State, in the past, had “kept its promise to protect all religions and not become a rival to them, a fake church,” said the cardinal.

But that has now changed, he said. “In recent years, society has brought social and legislative approval to all types of sexual relationships that used to be considered ‘sinful,’” he continued.  “Since the biblical vision of what it means to be human tells us that not every friendship or love can be expressed in sexual relations, the church’s teaching on these issues is now evidence of intolerance for what the civil law upholds and even imposes.”

“What was once a request to live and let live has now become a demand for approval,” said Cardinal George, whose archdiocese includes about 2.2 million Catholics.  “The ‘ruling class,’ those who shape public opinion in politics, in education, in communications, in entertainment, is using the civil law to impose its own form of morality on everyone.”

“We are told that, even in marriage itself, there is no difference between men and women, although nature and our very bodies clearly evidence that men and women are not interchangeable at will in forming a family,” he said.  “Nevertheless, those who do not conform to the official religion, we are warned, place their citizenship in danger.”

The cardinal then noted that Americans who objected on religious grounds to the Obamacare mandate on contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortion-inducing drugs, were chastised by many in the media, including the liberal Huffington Post, which claimed the opposition, and the six Catholic judges on the Supreme Court, raised “concerns about the compatibility between being a Catholic and being a good citizen.”

This was not the anti-Catholic voice of nativists, or the Know-Nothing Party, or the Ku Klux Klan, said the cardinal, but, “rather, the self-righteous voice of some members of the American establishment today who regard themselves as ‘progressive’ and ‘enlightened.’”

“The inevitable result is a crisis of belief for many Catholics,” said Cardinal George.  “Throughout history, when Catholics and other believers in revealed religion have been forced to choose between being taught by God or instructed by politicians, professors, editors of major newspapers and entertainers, many have opted to go along with the powers that be.”

“This reduces a great tension in their lives, although it also brings with it the worship of a false god,” he said.  “It takes no moral courage to conform to government and social pressure. It takes a deep faith to ‘swim against the tide,’ as Pope Francis recently encouraged young people to do at last summer’s World Youth Day.”

The cardinal continued, “Swimming against the tide means limiting one’s access to positions of prestige and power in society. It means that those who choose to live by the Catholic faith will not be welcomed as political candidates to national office, will not sit on editorial boards of major newspapers, will not be at home on most university faculties, will not have successful careers as actors and entertainers.”

“Nor will their children, who will also be suspect,” he said.

“Since all public institutions, no matter who owns or operates them, will be agents of the government and conform their activities to the demands of the official religion, the practice of medicine and law will become more difficult for faithful Catholics,” said Cardinal George.  “It already means in some States that those who run businesses must conform their activities to the official religion or be fined, as Christians and Jews are fined for their religion in countries governed by Sharia law.”

Cardinal George went on to argue that U.S. civil law has done much to weaken and destroy the family, which in turn has forced the State to impose more and more restrictions on people and their activities that are unloosed from the “internal restraints that healthy family life teaches.”

He also says that many of the “tenets of the official State religion” are largely dictated by elements of a certain social class, noting that “’same-sex marriage,’ as a case in point, is not an issue for the poor or those on the margins of society.”

How the situation may end, said the cardinal, is unclear because there are many Americans, “even among the ruling class, who do not want their beloved country to transform itself into a fake church.”

Catholics and traditional Christians know by faith, said Cardinal George, that Christ will return to judge the living and the dead and the church “will be there to meet Him.”

However, “[t]here is no such divine guarantee for any country, culture or society of this age or any age,” concluded Cardinal George.

The archdiocese of Chicago, established in 1843, serves about 2.2 million Catholics through 356 parishes, and with more than 1,400 priests and 1,600 women religious. The archdiocese operates 44 schools and 5 colleges, the latter educating 49,000 students. The archdiocese also oversees 17 Catholic hospitals, assisting 2.6 million people a year, and helps another 1.2 million people through 150-plus different charities.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/cardinal-us-creed-gay-marriage-sharia-law


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 15, 2014, 08:54:31 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/15/us-evangelicals-gay-marriage_n_5824174.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
9/15/14
Progressive Evangelicals Launch Campaign To Expand Christian Support For Same-Sex Marriage

(RNS) As more states affirm same-sex marriage, U.S. evangelicals continue to wrestle with homosexuality, setting boundaries for what’s acceptable and what’s not, and setting the stage for a heated fall election season.

This week, things got hotter.

A new group called Evangelicals for Marriage Equality launched Tuesday (Sept. 9) and is collecting signatures from evangelicals who support same-sex marriage. Its advisory board includes author and speaker Brian McLaren, former National Association of Evangelicals vice president Richard Cizik, and former USAID faith adviser Chris LaTondresse. Cizik resigned from his NAE position over his support for same-sex civil unions.

“Our organization is not taking a theological position on the issue of the sacrament of marriage,” said spokesman Brandan Robertson. “We just want evangelicals to see that it is possible to hold a plethora of beliefs about sexuality and marriage while affirming the rights of LGBTQ men and women to be civilly married under the law.”

Testing evangelical boundaries didn’t work well for World Vision earlier this year when it decided and then reversed its position on same-sex employees. The new marriage equality group is already facing challenges from evangelical institutions. An ad it placed with Christianity Today, World and Relevant magazines was rejected by all three evangelical mainstays.

The organization, founded by two straight evangelicals, Josh Dickson and Michael Saltsman, will join other groups planning to dialogue on same-sex marriage this fall.

The Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission will host a conference in Nashville, Tenn., in October on “The Gospel, Homosexuality and the Future of Marriage,” urging faith leaders to oppose same-sex marriage.

At the other end of the spectrum, author Matthew Vines will lead a gathering in November in Washington focused on LGBT inclusion in churches. Vines is hopeful the new group might change evangelical minds.

“We still haven’t arrived at a sea change among evangelicals, but the tone and passion around the issue of civil marriage equality has certainly been changing as more evangelicals are accepting that same-sex marriage will soon be the law of the land, whether they are pleased about it or not,” Vines said. “I think they have a chance to persuade more evangelicals to lay down their arms in this culture war battle that has been so harmful to the primary mission of the church.”

The group’s arguments may sway younger evangelicals who are more open to the idea that theology shouldn’t dictate public policy, said Eric Teetsel, director of the Manhattan Declaration, a conservative movement focused on life, marriage and religious freedom issues.

“It’s ironic that you have a group of politically liberal Christians who have made a name for themselves specifically by using theological principles to advocate political ends,” Teetsel said. “If you told them that what the Bible says about caring for the poor shouldn’t be applied to foreign policy, they would dismiss it. I’m confused to why they draw this line when it comes to marriage.”

Research on evangelicals suggest that younger evangelicals are more likely to support same-sex marriage than those of an older generation, though many still resist it.

In 2012, Pew found that 29 percent of young white evangelicals (age 18-29) expressed support for allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally, higher than older evangelicals at 17 percent. That’s far below the level of support for same-sex marriage expressed by young adults as a whole (65 percent).

A 2014 Public Religion Research Institute survey suggested that white evangelical Protestant millennials are more than twice as likely to favor same-sex marriage as the oldest generation of white evangelical Protestants (43 percent compared to 19 percent).


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 16, 2014, 09:54:21 pm
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/September15/153.html#lYJMZcLgYCFUijrf.99
How Have Churches Changed When It Comes To Race, Size, Worship And The Treatment Of Gays?

September 16, 2014 | Billy Hallowell

A new study examining worship environments at 1,331 American churches, synagogues, temples and other houses of worship found that on the whole, the faithful have become more accepting of gays and lesbians, embracing both demographic and tactical changes over the past six years.

The National Congregations Study found that from 2006 to 2012, the number of congregations that were open to allowing gays in leadership roles rose substantially from 18 percent to 26.4 percent, according to a press release announcing the results.

Additionally, the proportion of houses of worship accepting gays for membership during this same time frame rose from 37.4 percent to 48 percent.

Those increases didn’t hold across the board, though: Catholic churches were actually less accepting of gays in 2012 than they were six years earlier. And only 4 percent of white, conservative Protestant churches said in 2012 that gays would be permitted to participate in volunteer positions.

The National Congregations Study also revealed changes as they relate to the size of congregations, demographics and the tactics used in worship over the past six years.

The results showed that American churches are shrinking on average, with the average size of a congregation now at 70 members, down from 80 when the same study was first conducted in 1998.

“The average size of a congregation in the United States is declining,” Duke University sociology professor Mark Chaves explained in a video recapping results. ”Interestingly though, the size of the congregation that an average person goes to has increased over time. What that means is more and more people are shifting from smaller congregations to larger congregations.”

There are other changes afoot inside American churches, synagogues, mosques and other houses of worship, including more racial diversity in the pews.

While 20 percent of individuals attending in 1998 attended all-white houses of worship, that proportion has dropped to 11 percent in the latest wave of the National Congregations Study.

“That’s driven by important social changes like upward mobility among blacks and increasing racial intermarriage,” said Chaves, who directs the study. “And, of course, immigration.”

These trends come at a time when many churches are working to adapt to changing technologies and sensibilities. The research found that more people are attending churches and houses of worship where more upbeat music, shouting, dancing and other expressions are prevalent, including the use of visual elements and projections.

“The percentage of people attending services with drums, for example, rose from 25 percent in 1998 to 36 percent in 2006 and to 45 percent in the most recent survey,” the press release read. “The percentage attending services using visual projection equipment rose from 15 percent in 1998 to 32 percent in 2006 to 45 percent in 2012.”

Chaves said worshippers may be looking for more emotional experiences in the pews.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 21, 2014, 06:13:41 pm
FYI - this article is written by Gene Robinson(who became the 1st sodomite Episcopalian President to have a sodomite marriage partner) - but this is NOT an op-ed.

With that being said - the Apostate Church is largely marketing themselves toward young people - here's one of the big pitfalls they're yoking themselves up with...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/21/meet-the-young-evangelical-pro-gay-movement.html

Meet the Young, Evangelical, Pro-Gay Movement
A gay 24-year-old evangelical Christian is leading the charge toward tolerance among conservative Bible Belt Christians.

9/21/14

Something extraordinary is happening at the intersection of religion and LGBT people.  You may not have noticed it, because you thought it was impossible, and so you weren’t watching for it. But make no mistake, there is something wonderful happening to/for conservative Christians who have traditionally condemned same-sex relationships: a youth-led movement that could change evangelical perceptions of LGBT people forever.

For many years, the LGBT movement has been picking the “low fruit” of religious people who have felt that the historical and religious treatment of gay people was wrong. Most often, these religious people, who had been taught by their religion to condemn LGBT people, came to know someone gay, and realized that all the bad things said about them simply were not true. And so they came to believe that their religion—and the Bible on which it is based—is simply wrong on this issue, outdated, and locked in the past. They felt uncomfortable with those few passages of scripture that seemed to condemn same sex behavior, and dismissed them as a product of their times, and inappropriately applied to what we know today about sexual orientation.

LGBT people have reaped enormous rewards because of this widespread change of opinion.  Recent years have seen the fall of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, and the spreading of marriage equality to 19 states and the District of Columbia. Much of the east and west coasts offer a safe bubble in which LGBT people can live their lives in relative safety and recognition of their relationships.

But there is much of the rest of the country in which this new reality of acceptance has not taken hold, and religion is at the center of why. Many in the LGBT community have largely written off conservative religious people as simply bigoted. But the fact remains that many religious people have very real religious and Biblical beliefs that hold them back from acceptance of gay people and gay relationships. Merely calling these religious conservatives “bigots” seems to me not to be very loving, because it fails to acknowledge and honor the beliefs these people hold dear. And the serious work of meeting these conservative evangelicals on their own terms, with the accompanying difficult task of explaining those offending passages of scripture, has not been done. Until now.

Matthew, who is himself gay and a Bible-believing Christian from a conservative Christian family, took two years off from his studies at Harvard to research the Biblical injunctions against same sex behavior.

A new breed of young and smart evangelicals is doing that work. And it is probably work that only those who are conservative evangelicals can do. It’s not merely a case of people using language and approaches popular among evangelicals. Rather, this work is being done by those who hold the scriptures in as high a regard as those whose minds they are trying to change on this issue. It means treating these conservative Christians as people whose beliefs about scripture are honorable and worthy, even if ill-informed on this subject. It means meeting these “Bible-believing” Christians on their own terms.

One of this new breed of evangelicals is Matthew Vines, an intense 24-year-old from Kansas who became an internet sensation with his hour-long video on why Bible-believing Christians can and should become affirming of LGBT people.  Despite its length and occasional tediousness, that video has been watched (and re-watched) by nearly 800,000 viewers.

Matthew, who is himself gay and a Bible-believing Christian from a conservative Christian family, took two years off from his studies at Harvard to research the Biblical injunctions against same sex behavior. The result was not only this video, but also a new book, God and the Gay Christian, which describes his journey with his parents and conservative Christian fellow church people in discovering what the Bible really says about same sex behavior. It answers the question which seems the most relevant to those conservative Christians, the question which is at the center of changing one’s mind on the subject: Is the Bible talking about the same thing as we are talking about today when we discuss homosexuality? (Spoiler alert: the answer is “no.”)

In addition to having a fine, meticulous mind, Matthew also has an entrepreneurial gift, and he has launched The Reformation Project, which may very well change evangelical Christianity’s understanding of this issue. The Reformation Project seems to have two goals: to engage conservative Christians in rigorous study of the scripture that has been used to condemn homosexuality and its expression, and to equip those whose minds have been changed with the tools to engage other conservative religious people in this endeavor.

It is not easy work, but it calls the bluff of those who would say “we have to take scripture seriously.” It counters with “okay, let’s really take the scriptures seriously—seriously enough to study them and see what they are really saying in their own context, and let’s be bold enough to entertain the notion that we may have gotten it wrong.” As Matthew Vines himself says, “LGBT people and their allies have to be able to discuss Scripture in a way that is both highly respectful and carefully reasoned from an evangelical theological framework.”

To this end, The Reformation Project is launching a series of conferences to lay out the serious discussion of these Biblical passages and to equip participants with the tools to have those discussions in their conservative churches and communities. The next conference will be held in Washington, DC—not exactly a place known for its adherence to the Bible—on November 6-8, 2014.

It would be easy to overlook the importance of this shift in thinking and approach, inaugurated by young gay evangelicals and other evangelicals who themselves have LGBT friends and family. Long after marriage equality is the law of the land, there will still be hearts and minds to be won to the notion of not merely tolerating, but affirming LGBT people and their relationships.  For evangelicals, the way forward is not around scripture, but directly through it. The Reformation Project offers the way. And that’s good news for LGBT people everywhere.

The Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson is a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, Washington, DC, and the IX Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire.  Follow him on Twitter @BishopGRobinson


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 30, 2014, 04:43:25 pm
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/09/29/5208297/former-charlotte-pastors-if-i.html#.VCqVnhbt928
9/29/14
Former Charlotte pastor's 'If I have gay children' blog goes viral

Posted: Monday, Sep. 29, 2014

A blog written by a former Charlotte pastor entitled "If I Have Gay Children" has gone viral after he outlined the steps he would take if his children turned out to be homosexual.

Pastor John Pavlovitz wrote the blog on Sept. 17 and says it has been read more than 1.5 million people on his website since he posted it.

In the blog, Pavlovitz writes that "sometimes I wonder if I'll have gay children" and says he thinks about it often.

"Maybe it's because I have many gay people in my family and circle of friends. It's in my genes and in my tribe," he wrote. "Maybe it's because, as a pastor of students, I've seen and heard the horror stories of gay Christian kids, from both inside and outside of the closet, trying to be part of the Church."

He says that as a Christian he has interacted people who "find homosexuality to be the most repulsive thing imaginable, and who make that abundantly clear at every conceivable opportunity."

He says there are simple steps he will take if his children are homosexual: he'll love them, accept them and pray for them.

"I won't pray that God will heal or change or fix them. I will pray for God to protect them; from the ignorance and hatred and violence that the world will throw at them, simply because of who they are,
" he wrote in his blog.

"I'll pray He shields them from those who will despise them and wish them harm; who will curse them to Hell and put them through Hell, without ever knowing them at all," Pavlovitz continued. "I'll pray that they enjoy life; that they laugh, and dream, and feel, and forgive, and that they love God and humanity."

Pavlovitz says he won't hide from anything, either.

"[If they are gay] My children won't be our family's best kept secret," he wrote. "I won't try to spare the feelings of those who may be older, or easily offended, or uncomfortable," he continued. "Childhood is difficult enough, and most gay kids spend their entire existence being horribly, excruciatingly uncomfortable. I'm not going to put mine through any more unnecessary discomfort, just to make Thanksgiving dinner a little easier for a third cousin with misplaced anger issues. If my children come out, we'll be out as a family."

Pavlovitz, who spent eight years in Charlotte as a pastor at Good Shepherd Church UMC, says he's excited that the message has gone viral and so many people from different walks of life have connected with it.

"You want people to read the words, that's why you write them," he told WBTV.

Since the blog was posted, Pavlovitz says he's spent several hours a day pastoring to people who have reached out to him saying they were touched by his blog.

He says people have reached out from inside the church, in addition to people who have moved away from the church due to their circumstances and the way they were treated.


"I was prepared for some people to applaud it, and for others to condemn it. That's what happens whenever you put an opinion out there," he said. "I was fully prepared for the waves of both support and hostility that accompany any vantage point, especially on a controversial topic like this."

"What I was not prepared for in any way, were the literally hundreds and hundreds of people who have reached out to me personally to thank me for bringing some healing and hope to their families; for giving them a message they rarely get from Christian leaders," he continued.

"People who haven't ever before, or in many years, are telling me the piece has moved them to engage with God and with the Church, which is the most any pastor can hope for."

Pavlovitz says these types of conversations are not only good to have, they are important to have while retaining your dignity and the dignity of others.

He is now working with a community house church in Wake Forest, North Raleigh Community Church, and hopes to one day create an online church to bring in more people from different walks of life.



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on October 12, 2014, 08:57:46 am
United Methodist Church Pastors Bless Gay Wedding without Consequence

 Responding to a complaint, the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference of The United Methodist Church has opted to pardon dozens of clergy members that blessed a gay wedding.
 
Thirty-six UMC ministers blessed a homosexual wedding Nov. 9 at Philadelphia’s Arch Street United Methodist Church, violating the denomination’s Book of Discipline according to Charisma Magazine.
 
"Though I may sympathize with the pastoral concerns of the respondents, it is unacceptable to disregard and disobey the Book of Discipline," said Philadelphia Area Bishop Peggy Johnson. "I pledge that, in future cases where clergy within my jurisdiction officiate or host a same-gender ceremony, any complaints that I receive will be handled swiftly and with significant and appropriate consequences, which may include a trial, involuntary leave of absence without pay, or other significant consequences, in accordance with the Discipline and in consultation with the Board of Ordained ministry and the clergy session of the annual conference."
 
Clergy maintain they participated in the ceremony to show support for their colleague, the Rev. Frank Schaefer who officiated the service of his homosexual son’s wedding.
 
Charisma Magazine reports the ceremony was conducted before gay marriage was legalized in Pennsylvania earlier this year.
 
The rebuke came in response to the complaint of several dozen evangelical United Methodists in the conference, who in exchange of the pardon, agreed to seek no further punishment of the "Philadelphia 36."
 
"This episode presents another example of United Methodism's traditionalist majority going out of its way to be gracious and conciliatory as they uphold the historic Christian faith and seek to minister to all people in a biblically loving way, while a disruptive liberal minority keeps playing hardball in undermining our church,” said John Lomperis, Institute on Religion and Democracy’s United Methodist Action Director.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/united-methodist-church-pastors-bless-gay-wedding-without-consequence.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 28, 2014, 11:34:20 pm
Disclaimer: Huffington Post news source.

Nonetheless - apparently sodomites are running rampant in the Southern Baptist Convention, just as much as Freemasons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-jeff-hood/when-southern-baptists-get-saved_b_6052284.html
When Southern Baptists Get Saved
Posted: 10/28/2014 6:08 pm EDT

Salvation was always such an important part of my upbringing. We were constantly begged, pushed, prodded and manipulated to go down the aisle. If I got saved once, I got saved a hundred times. When the preacher started talking about hell and the rhetorical fires started tickling my toes, I especially felt the tug to make sure I was sure about all this salvation stuff. The older I got, the more skeptical I became of the saved rhetoric. With all the oppressive language and actions that surrounded us, I didn't see anyone getting saved from anything. I actually began to wonder if getting saved actually made things worse. Then it started happening.

There was a man at our church I loved dearly. With seemingly magical powers, Brother Bobby captured my childhood attention and taught me about the love of God. Before then, I never thought that God could love me as an individual. Brother Bobby believed in me and taught me that God did too. I didn't think Southern Baptists could teach like this. I asked him one Sunday morning what made him so different and he replied, "Just like you, I am growing into who God created me to be." Months later, Brother Bobby was kicked out of our church for coming out as gay. Many years after, I saw pictures of Brother Bobby joyously smiling and holding hands with his partner. I knew Brother Bobby got saved.

I wrestled with my own sexuality for years. Whenever I found a man attractive, I just knew I was going to hell... probably ***** first. Though I remained mostly attracted to women, I didn't know what to do with this other piece of me. I kept it quiet. Then I grew close to Pastor Greg. For decades, Pastor Greg led Southern Baptist churches. I decided to open up with him about my sexuality and he assured me that God lovingly created me just the way that I am. A few years later, Pastor Greg called me while I was a student at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and told me that he was dying of cancer. When I made it to his bedside, Pastor Greg told me that he had lived his life as a closeted gay man. With tears in my eyes, I knew that Pastor Greg was finally getting saved.

Not long after, one of my classmates asked if we could talk. When we sat down late one night, Marcus told me that he was gay. If we were at any other school this revelation would have been less of a deal, but we were students at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Having contemplated suicide in the struggle to keep it quiet, I could see the visible relief in Marcus' body when he told me. Later, Marcus came out and declared that he was a gay Southern Baptist pastor. I knew he got saved.

There are countless stories like these. People who got saved from hate and fear to live into the person that a loving God has created them to be. Unfortunately, the entire Southern Baptist system opposes such a salvation. I struggled with my sexuality and suicide throughout my early years as a Southern Baptist and my tenure at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Throughout this time, people consistently told me their secrets. Honestly, I now feel like I know more closeted Southern Baptist pastors than I do straight Southern Baptist pastors. Earlier this week, I asked people in our largely LGBT congregation at the Cathedral of Hope United Church of Christ to stand if they felt like they were direct victims of physical and emotional abuse at the hands and mouths of the Southern Baptist Convention, Southern Baptist churches or Southern Baptist pastors. Hundreds and hundreds of people stood up and demanded that I tell their stories when I arrived at the Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission conference.

From personal experience, I know that stories change lives. When Southern Baptists get saved, I see them blossom into amazing storytelling evangelists of the power of the love of God. I believe that God can work miracles. While in Nashville, I hope we see a few people get saved.

Amen.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 31, 2014, 12:03:26 am
While I don't support any of the secular medical industry, at the same time it's pretty obvious Moore's true colors are slowly coming out of the woodwork...

http://www.religionnews.com/2014/10/28/evangelical-leader-russell-moore-denounces-ex-gay-therapy/
10/28/14
Evangelical leader Russell Moore denounces ex-gay therapy

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (RNS) Southern Baptist leader Russell Moore denounced reparative therapy at a conference here, saying the controversial treatment that attempts to change a person’s sexual orientation has been “severely counterproductive.”

Moore, who serves as president of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, spoke to a group of journalists Tuesday (Oct. 28) covering the group’s national conference.

“The utopian idea if you come to Christ and if you go through our program, you’re going to be immediately set free from attraction or anything you’re struggling with, I don’t think that’s a Christian idea,” Moore told journalists. “Faithfulness to Christ means obedience to Christ. It does not necessarily mean that someone’s attractions are going to change.”

**Uhm...Romans 1:18-32 says sodomy is a JUDGMENT OF GOD! And forget about all of those Christian testimonies of former sodomites who find this lifestyle disgusting.

Moore said evangelicals had an “inadequate view” of what same-sex attraction looks like.

“The Bible doesn’t promise us freedom from temptation,” Moore said. “The Bible promises us the power of the spirit to walk through temptation.”

**Uhm, no - scripture says this...

1Corinthians 10:13  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1Thes 5:22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.


Moore gave similar remarks to an audience of 1,300 people at the conference. The same morning, the conference featured three speakers who once considered themselves gay or lesbian.

Moore joins a chorus of psychologists and religious leaders who have departed from the once-popular therapy.

In 2009, the American Psychological Association adopted a resolution urging mental health professionals to avoid reparative therapy. Since then, California and New Jersey have passed laws banning conversion therapy for minors, and several other states have considered similar measures.

Earlier this year, the 50,000-member American Association of Christian Counselors amended its code of ethics eliminating reparative therapy and encouraging celibacy instead.

John Paulk, who was once a poster boy for the ex-gay movement, apologized in 2013 for the reparative therapy he used to promote. Earlier this year, Yvette Schneider, who had formerly worked for groups such as the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America and Exodus International, published a “coming out” interview with GLAAD calling for bans on reparative therapy. In addition, nine former ex-gay leaders have denounced conversion therapy.

“There were utopian ideas about reparative therapy that frankly weren’t unique to evangelicalism,” Moore said. “That was something that came along in the 1970s and 1980s about the power of psychotherapy to do all sorts of things that we have a more nuanced views about now.”

Some pastors, like John Piper, a respected Minneapolis preacher and author, still encourage the possibility of change for those who have same-sex attractions.

Exodus International, one of the most prominent ex-gay ministries shut down in 2013. While other ex-gay groups such as Restored Hope Network still exist, many religious leaders are now encouraging people with same-sex attraction to consider celibacy.

“The idea that one is simply the sum of one’s sexual identity is something that is psychologically harmful ultimately,” Moore said. “And I think also we have a situation where gay and lesbian people have been treated really, really badly.

**But have you read Romans 1:18-32 and 1st Corinthians 6:9-10?

Moore said the ERLC is working with parents of those who are gay and lesbian.

“The response is not shunning, putting them out on the street,” he said. “The answer is loving your child.”


**What about the prodical's son in the book of Luke? His father LET HIM GO to the pig-pen(and ultimately his son returned and repented, after being in such dire desperation). So are you saying these parents should FOLLOW their children to the pig pen?

For years, gay evangelicals had three options: leave the faith, ignore their sexuality or try to change. But as groups such as Exodus became unpopular, a growing number of celibate gay Christians have sought to be true to both their sexuality and their faith.

**Celibate gay Christians? Uhm...1st Corinthians 7 is written to MAN/WOMAN married people!

A newer question among some Christians is whether those with same-sex attraction should self-identify as gay.

In his address Monday, traditional marriage advocate Sherif Girgis plugged the website Spiritual Friendship, intended for Catholics and Protestants who identify as gay and celibate. Some Christians are debating whether identifying as gay or having a same-sex orientation is itself unbiblical.

“It’s not the way I would articulate it because I think it puts on an appendage to a Christian identity,” Moore said. “So I don’t see them as enemies who are trying to be destructive; I just don’t think it’s the best way to approach it.”

Rosaria Butterfield, a former lesbian who rejects the “ex-gay” label and the movement behind it, said Christians should not use “gay” as a descriptive adjective. Moore interviewed Butterfield, whose address at Wheaton College generated protests earlier this year, during Tuesday’s conference.

“There is no shame in repentance because it simply proves that God was right all along,” Butterfield told Moore.


Another conference speaker and Moody Bible Institute professor Christopher Yuan teaches a more traditional message of celibacy for those who, like him, are attracted to the same sex. He shuns labels, but he believes more younger Christians are self-identifying as gay and celibate.

“I’m kind of label-less,” Yuan said before his address. “I think I’m a dying breed, though.”

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It's not only a matter of if, but when persecution comes via the 501c3 corporate church opening their doors to sodomites.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 31, 2014, 10:06:54 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=27870
SOUTHERN BAPTISTS BEGIN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DIALOGUE WITH LGBT COMMUNITY
10/31/14

EXCEPT THOSE DAYS BE SHORTENED SHOULD NO FLESH BE SAVED

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Southern Baptists took their first steps towards their eventual acceptance of same-sex marriage by meeting with members of the LGBT community at the  Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission 2014 Conference in Nashville. While neither side relinquished their position, most in attendance agreed that a shift had indeed taken place.

NASHVILLE, Tenn.—A gathering of Southern Baptists here opened this week with Albert Mohler, stalwart head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, apologizing for “denying the reality of sexual orientation,” but saying orientation “can change.”

It closed with a pastor saying “no one goes to hell for being homosexual,” but he added Christians must remind gay friends and family members that “the day of judgment is coming.”

The statements from the largest and one of the most conservative Protestant denominations made waves in the religious and gay communities. Some praised the Southern Baptist Convention for softening its tone and message when discussing homosexuals. Critics complained that nothing really had changed.

But others who attended said a shift was taking place. In private meetings and one-on-one encounters during the week, Southern Baptists and gay-rights advocates said they established relationships they hope will carry both sides through a time of deep cultural change, particularly as the church navigates issues such as the increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

Mr. Mohler this week met with Matthew Vines, an openly gay Christian author who argues the Bible doesn’t prohibit lifelong same-sex marriage. Mr. Mohler wrote a response to Mr. Vines’ book, “God and the Gay Christian.”

“It was a gracious, honest conversation. I think all evangelical Christians are having to learn anew how to discuss these issues,” Mr. Mohler said.


The pair agreed to keep in touch over email, and alert each other if one ever felt wrongly portrayed by the other.

“This was an amazing event,” said Mr. Vines. “Not for the public sessions but for the private meetings. It’s not like anyone is suddenly pro-gay,” said Mr. Vines. But, he added, “it feels like a new era.”



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 02, 2014, 08:08:00 am
Saw this last night - yeah, while these "Southern Baptists" still act like they're holding the line - look at the crafty language they're using...

http://time.com/3544312/baptist-conference-gays-lesbians-bishops-pope-francis/

The ERLC conference, by contrast, is not an open forum—dissenting voices are not included in the presentations. Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, opened the gathering on Monday in a defensive posture, saying that Western society is experiencing “a moral revolution” happening “at warp speed,” one that now celebrates things that were previously condemned. “We are accustomed to speaking from a position of strength,” Mohler said, explaining how traditional evangelical opposition to homosexuality is no longer mainstream.

Sin is a central topic in Nashville, and one that was noticeably absent from the Synod’s public documents. Mohler suggested in his opening remarks that Christians should approach gays in ways “not about their sin (homosexuality) but about our sin (all shortcomings).” Glen Stanton, director for Family Formation Studies at Focus on the Family, continued the theme: “Every one of us is stricken with an eternal disorder called sin,” he said in his talk called, “Love my (LGBT) Neighbor.” “How do we love gay and lesbian people? … The great equalizer is our sin.”

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Don't these people know that Jesus Christ died and shed his blood for our sins? It's as if they're telling sodomites "We have sin, but you don't".

John 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Peter 3:14  But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
1Pe 3:15  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16  Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

1Pe 3:17  For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

Luke 15:4  What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5  And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6  And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7  I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. 


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 08, 2014, 07:57:05 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/tv-campaign-gay-equality-starting-miss-170610624.html
TV campaign for gay equality starting in Miss
11/8/14

BRANDON, Miss. (AP) — Mary Jane Kennedy considers herself a conservative Christian Republican, and she's led Bible studies in her native Mississippi for decades. She's also the mother of two gay sons and one of the faces in a new advertising campaign aimed at softening religious opposition in the Deep South to equal rights for people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

The Washington-based Human Rights Campaign is taking on the region's longstanding church-based opposition to homosexuality in a series of groundbreaking television commercials, direct-mail messages and phone-bank operations designed to promote equality and legal protections for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi.

TV commercials will begin airing Monday in Jackson, the state's largest city and prime media market, with Kennedy featured as a mom who struggled to understand her own sons' sexuality and believes God loves them, just like everyone else. The commercials also will be available online, as will banner ads on websites.

Other commercials may follow in Alabama and Arkansas depending on the reception and results of the Mississippi campaign. The Mississippi effort — which will cost $310,000 — is part of an $8.5 million, three-year effort launched six months ago in the three states.

Brad Clark, director of Project One America for Human Rights Campaign, said the commercials are the group's most direct effort yet to confront religious attitudes involving sexual orientation and non-traditional gender identification.

Polls have shown that Mississippi is among the most religious states, with more than half of its 3 million residents belonging to Southern Baptist churches. At the same time, Mississippians are far less likely than the average American to say they know someone who is gay, according to Human Rights Campaign.

"It's the first time we've led with this message, and it's historic for the South," said Clark.

The commercials will begin airing two days before a federal court hearing in Jackson on a Mississippi law that bans same-sex marriage. Opponents of the ban are seeking a preliminary injunction to prevent the ban from being enforced while a lawsuit seeking to overturn it is pending. In November 2004, Mississippi voters overwhelmingly approved a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

After a series of recent court decisions, gay couples have the right to marry in 30 states. However, earlier this month a panel of federal judges from the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld anti-gay marriage laws in Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan and Tennessee.

Kennedy, 61, was initially apprehensive about speaking out so publicly about such a private topic, but she said her faith led her to the belief that spreading kindness, love and caring was more important than her own fears.

Justin Kelly of Jackson says the spots could help build acceptance in his home state. The 25-year-old Iraq war veteran is openly gay and will be featured in his Army Reserve uniform in another TV spot during the campaign, called "All God's Children."

"The values that are already in place in Mississippi are what we're looking for: To be friendly, to be open, to have conversations," said Kelly.

The president of the conservative American Family Association, Tim Wildmon, said he doubts advertising will have much of an effect on the attitudes of Mississippi residents in the pews.

"If you're trying to change peoples' fundamental religious views that's a pretty daunting task," said Wildmon, whose Tupelo-based organization owns and operates 194 radio stations in 38 states, including 12 in Mississippi. "For those who take the Bible literally there are some pretty clear scriptural references ... that show homosexuality is unnatural."

The Human Rights Campaign has said it wants to change the "hearts and minds" of people through the campaign, but Wildmon is dubious.

"What's wrong with the hearts and minds of Southerners?" he said.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 08, 2014, 08:03:12 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/tv-campaign-gay-equality-starting-miss-170610624.html
TV campaign for gay equality starting in Miss
11/8/14

BRANDON, Miss. (AP) — Mary Jane Kennedy considers herself a conservative Christian Republican, and she's led Bible studies in her native Mississippi for decades. She's also the mother of two gay sons and one of the faces in a new advertising campaign aimed at softening religious opposition in the Deep South to equal rights for people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

Proverbs 22:6  Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 13, 2014, 11:28:49 am
http://news.yahoo.com/love-thy-gay-bor-religious-pro-lgbt-ads-214735776.html
Love Thy ‘Gay-bor’: Religious Pro-LGBT Ads Target Baptists in the Deep South
11/12/14

Mary Jane Kennedy is a self-described “Bible-believing, born-again Christian.” The Mississippi mother of three sons has taught Sunday school and Bible study at her Baptist church.

When her middle son was about to graduate from college, he came out to Kennedy as gay.

“Nothing in my life had ever prepared me for that,” said Kennedy. “I said, ‘What’s going to happen? This is going to tear our family apart.’ ”

She was most concerned about how her husband would take the news.

“It’s hard to talk to somebody and tell them something you know is going to break their heart,” she said.

But they both took it in stride, and Kennedy is now sharing her story in a video that’s part of a four-week media blitz—using TV and online advertisements, phone banks, door-to-door visits, and public education efforts—launched by the Human Rights Campaign in Mississippi this week. Dubbed All God’s Children, the campaign to promote LGBT acceptance and marriage equality doesn’t shy away from religion when it comes to changing minds in the heart of the Bible Belt.

The civil rights group has enlisted “everyday” Mississippians, from an openly gay Iraq war veteran to a transgender woman, to share their stories in this series of ads. Kennedy’s testimony is the first to air, and her story is one many will be able to relate to, said Brad Clark, director of HRC’s Project One America, which focuses on improving LGBT equality in Southern states.

“Seeing the love that she has and the faith that she has, really resonates with so many people,” Clark said.

The ads will air on major networks during peak hours, such as in commercial breaks during the nightly news, said Clark. The $310,000 campaign is the first of its kind in the South; its focus is on one specific demographic: the faithful.

That is why Mississippi is ground zero for this fight. For starters, it’s the most religious state in America, according to a 2013 Gallup poll of more than 174,000 people all over the country. In Mississippi, 61 percent of the population was deemed “very religious.” This means more than half the population surveyed said that religion is an important part of their daily lives and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week.

An estimated 55 percent of the state’s population is Baptist, the Human Rights Campaign reports, one of the most conservative denominations of Christianity. So the group has focused its message accordingly, saying humans need to treat one another with respect and leave the judgment to God.

“Many of us grew up with the golden rule,” said Clark. “And regardless of how we believe on various political issues, that is a common value we all hold dear.”

But the majority of Southern Baptists may not feel the same way. Although Mary Jane Kennedy has “every right to voice her opinion,” she is at odds with most of the other churches in the Mississippi Baptist Convention, William H. Perkins Jr., spokesman for the board, wrote in an email to Take Part.

Perkins cited portions of the church’s official statement of faith to prove his point. He wrote that Christians are told to oppose “all forms of sexual immorality fornication, including adultery, homosexuality sodomy, and pornography” in the Baptist creed, which also specifies heterosexual marriage as the only acceptable variety.

“It is difficult to misinterpret those passages to represent that most Mississippi Baptists would be anything but fully opposed to the Human Rights Campaign’s efforts in this state,” Perkins wrote. “$300,000 is a lot of money to spend on a program that is doomed to fail.”

That sum is just the start for Project One America, whose overarching $8.5 million initiative, of which All God’s Children is one part, aims to extend into Arkansas and Alabama. These Southern states are highly conservative and religious, and they are being targeted because they have no state nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people in employment, housing, or public accommodations.

All God’s Children arrives at the perfect time in Mississippi. A lawsuit pushing for repeal of the state’s gay marriage ban has landed before a federal judge, and the two sides will present their arguments in court on Wednesday.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 13, 2014, 11:31:37 am
That is why Mississippi is ground zero for this fight. For starters, it’s the most religious state in America, according to a 2013 Gallup poll of more than 174,000 people all over the country. In Mississippi, 61 percent of the population was deemed “very religious.” This means more than half the population surveyed said that religion is an important part of their daily lives and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week.


James_1:26  If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
James_1:27  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 18, 2014, 05:46:41 am
Gay Couple Files Complaint Against Denomination with Pastor’s Approval

 Two homosexuals who attend a United Methodist Church (UMC) in Winston-Salem, N.C., have lodged a complaint with Methodist officials against their pastor for not marrying them. Although same-sex marriage became legal in North Carolina last month, the UMC, like most Christian denominations, does not permit clergy to perform same-sex weddings or ceremonies.
 
Green Street United Methodist Church announced the complaint against its senior pastor, Kelly Carpenter, during a press conference Nov. 12. The couple, Kenny Barner and Scott Chappell, say that by refusing to marry them, Carpenter is violating the UMC Book of Discipline’s requirement for pastors to “perform the work of the ministry” and refrain from “gender discrimination.”
 
The couple’s Oct. 30 complaint stated they had been “victimized by Reverend Carpenter’s adherence to United Methodist Church rules,” and that the denial of a church-ordained marriage had caused “great spiritual harm to us both.”
 
The move appears to be a coordinated effort by the couple and the pastor to challenge UMC rules. Barner and Chappell are active members of Green Street Church, and Chappell is listed on the church’s website as executive director of one of the church’s social service ministries. Barner is chair of the church’s leadership council, according to United Methodist News Service. The church openly advertises its inclusion of “LGBTQ” members and has, since 2009, been part of the Reconciling Ministries Network, a group of activist UMC churches seeking to change church policy toward marriage and ordination of gays.
 
Carpenter himself supports same-sex marriage. He told United Methodist News Service the complaint was “right on the money” and that he would have co-signed it if he could. UMC rules prevent him from conducting a gay marriage without the risk of discipline. In protest of church policy, Carpenter promised in March 2013 to refrain from performing a heterosexual marriage at the church until the UMC changes its position.
 
“The national opinion and political culture is rapidly changing on the issue of gay marriage,” Carpenter wrote at the time. “Our United Methodist denomination has failed to lead the way in this struggle for equality, and will once again have to catch up to the culture.”
 
Green Street Church has a Sunday attendance of around 190 people. It did not immediately return a request for comment.
 
The complaint, under review by the church’s regional conference, could exacerbate the contentious issue of same-sex marriage within the denomination. The UMC defrocked Pennsylvania Pastor Frank Schaefer last year for performing a same-sex ceremony, but reinstated him last month on a technicality.
 
Last week, the UMC’s Council of Bishops released a statement recognizing “the divisions that exist” between the church and some bishops regarding “human sexuality.”
 
Larry Goodpaster, the bishop of the Western North Carolina Conference, said in a statement that he had received the complaint and would review it according to the UMC’s Book of Discipline. “This is now a personnel matter and will be done in confidentiality,” he said. Under church rules, Goodpaster could dismiss the complaint or refer it to a church legal official for further consideration.
 
“The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching,” states the UMC’s 2012 Book of Discipline. “Therefore, self-avowed practicing homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates, ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in The United Methodist Church.”
 
The Book of Discipline adds: “Ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions shall not be conducted by our ministers and shall not be conducted in our churches.” The UMC could only change its stance on homosexuality through its General Conference, which next meets in Portland, Oregon, in 2016.
 
North Carolina officials began handing out same-sex marriage licenses last month after a federal judge overturned the state’s law defining marriage as between one man and one woman. Several magistrates—court-appointed officials authorized to perform marriages and various civil and criminal duties—have stepped down from their posts since then, citing a conflict between same-sex unions and their faith.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/gay-couple-files-complaint-against-denomination-with-pastor-s-approval.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 18, 2014, 06:01:55 am
Major “Christian” Publishing House To Change Organization Structure So It Can Continue Publishing Pro-LGBT Propaganda Without Hearing Born-Again Believers' Criticisms


The Crown Publishing Group announced in early November it would separate the staff and operations of WaterBrook Multnomah, which publishes books by evangelical authors, and Convergent, an imprint that allows for more liberal theology. This past spring, Convergent published God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines, which argues against the sinfulness of homosexuality. The book cost Waterbrook Multnomah the trust of many in Christian publishing and membership in the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB). WaterBrook Multnomah and Convergent share staff and operate under the same corporate umbrella. The NRB wanted Multnomah to promise no one on its staff would work on a Convergent book, which it would not do...

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/christian-publisher-splits-conservative-progressive-imprints.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 18, 2014, 04:47:31 pm
The enemy has struck from within...


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 27, 2014, 08:23:44 pm
You know - I'm tired of these parents playing the "It's not my fault!" game. And they will always send their sodomite children in the care of other (corruptible-fleshed)men, hoping they would get cured.

http://news.yahoo.com/evangelicals-gay-children-challenging-church-203000318.html
Evangelicals with gay children challenging church
11/27/14

Rob and Linda Robertson did what they believed was expected of them as good Christians.

When their 12-year-old son Ryan said he was gay, they told him they loved him, but he had to change. He entered "reparative therapy," met regularly with his pastor and immersed himself in Bible study and his church youth group. After six years, nothing changed. A despondent Ryan cut off from his parents and his faith, started taking drugs and in 2009, died of an overdose.

"Now we realize we were so wrongly taught," said Rob Robertson, a firefighter for more than 30 years who lives in Redmond, Washington. "It's a horrible, horrible mistake the church has made."

The tragedy could have easily driven the Robertsons from the church. But instead of breaking with evangelicalism — as many parents in similar circumstances have done — the couple is taking a different approach, and they're inspiring other Christians with gay children to do the same. They are staying in the church and, in protesting what they see as the demonization of their sons and daughters, presenting a new challenge to Christian leaders trying to hold off growing acceptance of same-sex relationships.

"Parents don't have anyone on their journey to reconcile their faith and their love for their child," said Linda Robertson, who with Rob attends a nondenominational evangelical church. "They either reject their child and hold onto their faith, or they reject their faith and hold onto their child. Rob and I think you can do both: be fully affirming of your faith and fully hold onto your child."

It's not clear how much of an impact these parents can have. Evangelicals tend to dismiss fellow believers who accept same-sex relationships as no longer Christian. The parents have only recently started finding each other online and through faith-oriented organizations for gays and lesbians such as the Gay Christian Network, The Reformation Project and The Marin Foundation.

But Linda Robertson, who blogs about her son at justbecausehebreathes.com, said a private Facebook page she started last year for evangelical mothers of gays has more than 300 members. And in the last few years, high-profile cases of prominent Christian parents embracing their gay children indicate a change is occurring beyond a few isolated families.

James Brownson, a New Testament scholar at Western Theological Seminary, a Michigan school affiliated with the Reformed Church in America, last year published the book "Bible, Gender, Sexuality," advocating a re-examination of what Scripture says about same-sex relationships. His son came out at age 18.

Chester Wenger, a retired missionary and pastor with the Mennonite Church USA, lost his clergy credentials this fall after officiating at his son's marriage to another man. In a statement urging the church to accept gays and lesbians, Wenger noted the pain his family experienced when a church leader excommunicated his son three decades ago without any discussion with Wenger and his wife.

The Rev. Danny Cortez, pastor of New Heart Community Church, a Southern Baptist congregation in California, was already moving toward recognizing same-sex relationships when his teenage son came out. When Cortez announced his changed outlook to his congregation this year, they voted to keep him. The national denomination this fall cut ties with the church.

In the United Methodist Church, two ministers with gay sons drew national attention for separately presiding at their children's same-sex weddings despite a church prohibition against doing so: The Rev. Thomas Ogletree, a former dean of the Yale Divinity School, ultimately was not disciplined by the church, while the Rev. Frank Schaefer went through several church court hearings. He won the case and kept his clergy credentials, becoming a hero for gay marriage supporters within and outside the church.

"I think at some point moms and dads are going to say to their pastors and church leadership that you can't tell me that my child is not loved unconditionally by God," said Susan Shopland, the daughter of a Presbyterian missionary who, along with her gay son, is active with the Gay Christian Network.

Kathy Baldock, a Christian who advocates for gay acceptance through her website CanyonwalkerConnections.com, said evangelical parents are speaking out more because of the example set by their children. Gay and lesbian Christians have increasingly been making the argument they can be attracted to people of the same gender and remain faithful to God, whether that means staying celibate or having a committed same-sex relationship. The annual conference of the Gay Christian Network has grown from 40 people a decade ago to an expected 1,400 for the next event in January.

Matthew Vines, author of "God and the Gay Christian," has attracted more than 810,000 views on YouTube for a 2012 lecture he gave challenging the argument that Scripture bars same-sex relationships.

"These kids are now staying in the churches. They're not walking away like they used to," Baldock said.

The collapse of support for "reparative therapy" is also a factor, Shopland said. In June of last year, Alan Chambers, the leader of Exodus International, a ministry that tried to help conflicted Christians repress same-sex attraction, apologized for the suffering the ministry caused and said the group would close down. At a conference on marriage and sexuality last month, a prominent Southern Baptist leader, the Rev. Al Mohler, said he was wrong to believe that same-sex attraction could be changed. Baldock, The Marin Foundation and the Gay Christian Network all say Christian parents have ben reaching out to them for help in notably higher numbers in the last couple of years.

"If it doesn't work, then parents are left with the question of what is the answer?" Shopland said. "If I can't change my kid into being a straight Christian, then what?"

Bill Leonard, a specialist in American religious history at Wake Forest Divinity School, said church leaders should be especially concerned about parents. He noted that many evangelicals began to shift on divorce when the marriages of the sons and daughters of pastors and "rock-ribbed" local church members such as deacons started crumbling. While conservative Christians generally reject comparisons between the church's response to divorce and to sexual orientation, Leonard argues the comparison is apt.

"The churches love those individuals and because they know them, those churches may look for another way," Leonard said.

Some evangelical leaders seem to recognize the need for a new approach. The head of the Southern Baptist public policy arm, the Rev. Russell Moore, addressed the issue on his blog and at the marriage conference last month, telling Christian parents they shouldn't shun their gay children. Mohler has said he expects some evangelical churches to eventually recognize same-sex relationships, but not in significant numbers.

Linda Robertson said the mothers who contact her through her Facebook page usually aren't ready to fully accept their gay sons or daughters. Some parents she meets still believe their children can change their sexual orientation. But she said most who reach out to her are moving away from the traditional evangelical view of how parents should respond when their children come out.

"I got a lot of emails from parents who said, 'I don't know one other parent of a gay child. I feel like in my community, I don't have permission to love my child,'" she said. "They have a lot of questions. But then they're going back to their churches and speaking to their pastors, speaking to their elders and speaking to their friends, saying, 'We have a gay child. We love them and we don't want to kick them out. How do we go forward?'"


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 27, 2014, 08:37:46 pm
You know - has there even been ONE case where a born-again Christian child was shunned by their heathen parents, and the MSM and (professing)Christian groups showed the least bit of concern?

Any cases? I mean NAME ME ONE case of this?

Luke 14:26  If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

John 3:36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Luke 15:11  And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12  And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13  And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14  And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15  And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16  And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17  And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18  I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19  And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20  And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21  And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22  But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23  And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24  For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luk 15:25  Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
Luk 15:26  And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
Luk 15:27  And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
Luk 15:28  And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
Luk 15:29  And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
Luk 15:30  But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Luk 15:31  And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
Luk 15:32  It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 09, 2014, 12:23:38 am
Don't be deceived by this charade - what Anderson is doing is rallying an army *against* born-again bible believers!

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/baptist-pastor-steven-anderson-lets-kill-gays-for-aids-free-christmas/story-fnh81jut-1227144118411
Baptist pastor Steven Anderson: ‘Let’s kill gays for AIDS-free Christmas’
12/4/14

GAYS are pedophiles who should be exterminated for an AIDS-free Christmas, an anti-Semitic, Obama-hating pastor told followers on World AIDS Day.
Steven Anderson, the foot-stomping, bible-thumping pastor of Arizona’s small Faithful Word Baptist Church, says the bible states that LGBT people deserve to die for “committing an abomination.”

“Turn to Leviticus 20:13 because I actually discovered the cure for AIDS,” the married father-of-eight said in a December 1 YouTube video called ‘AIDS: the Judgement of God’.

Pastor Steven Anderson's rant

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. And that, my friend, is the cure for AIDS.

“It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there. Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”

The fundamentalist also reminded parishioners during his troubling Sunday sermon that gays are banned from his church. About 50 people turned out to hear his rant.

Anderson has caused controversy in the past for sermons demonising Jewish people and women’s involvement in church services, and calling for “socialist devil” President Barack Obama’s death.

**Not trying to sound saracastic here - but where was Anderson's "rants" when "socialist devil" George W. Bush was in office?

His wife, stay-at-home mum Zsuzsanna Anderson, writes a blog about being involved in “the greatest church in the world”.

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Hate to break it to you Anderson, but you forgot about all of the FORMER sodomites in Corinth that got saved.

1Corinthians 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.





Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 12, 2014, 07:17:40 pm
Apparently - the sons of Belial in scripture refers to sodomites.

2Corinthians 6:15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-gay-canvassing-20141211-story.html
Doorstep visits change attitudes on gay marriage
12/12/14

A single conversation with a gay or lesbian door-to-door canvasser had the ability to change attitudes on same-sex marriage in neighborhoods that overwhelmingly opposed such unions, according to new research.

In a study conducted in Los Angeles County and published Thursday in the journal Science, researchers found that when openly gay canvassers lobbied a household resident about same-sex marriage, the resident was more likely to form a lasting and favorable opinion of gay marriage than if the canvasser was heterosexual.

The doorstep conversations also had a measurable “spillover effect,” in which some household residents who did not speak with the gay canvasser also formed a positive opinion of gay marriage, researchers said.

The experiment was modeled after public outreach campaigns conducted by the Los Angeles LGBT Center in voting precincts that overwhelmingly supported Proposition 8, the 2008 state ballot measure that repealed same-sex marriage.

The finding is unusual in that many previous studies have found that active canvassing or political advertising do little to alter firmly held opinions. In fact, researchers were so skeptical of their results the first time that they re-ran the experiment and duplicated their initial results.

"I was totally surprised that it worked at all," said lead author Michael LaCour, a UCLA doctoral candidate in political science.


"A lot of time we find in social science that most things don't work, they don't change people's minds. But we found that a single conversation was able to change voters' minds up to a year later."

LaCour conducted the study with Donald Green, a political science professor at Columbia University.

In all, 9,507 residences were involved in the experiment. Of the 41 canvassers, 22 were gay and 19 were straight.

Residents were randomly assigned to one of three different groups: a treatment group, in which they were lobbied on same-sex marriage; a placebo group, in which recycling was discussed instead of gay marriage; and a control group where nobody was canvassed.

The face-to-face meetings lasted roughly 20 minutes, according to researchers. Gay marriage canvassers would follow a specific script in which they asked residents to name the benefits of marriage. If the canvasser was gay, they would then inform the resident and say they wanted to experience the same benefits. Straight canvassers on the other hand said they were hoping that a close relative who was gay could enjoy the benefits of marriage.

Researchers said that immediately after the canvassing experiment, follow-up surveys showed an 8% increase in favorable opinions of same-sex marriage -- up from an initial acceptance rate of 38%.

The researchers followed up a year later to find out whether the positive opinions had gained ground or diminished.

LaCour said that in cases where the canvasser was gay or lesbian, positive opinions on same-sex marriage had increased a total of 14% above baseline. In comparison, the positive opinion rate among the control and placebo groups had fallen to 3% above the baseline rate.

The researchers also noted that some of the residents' housemates also expressed favorable opinions even though they had not spoken with the canvasser. Researchers said this suggested a spillover effect, in which they were influenced by second-hand exposure to the lobbying visit.

"It's interesting that the effects had the same initial impact whether its a gay or straight person, but that the effect is lasting when its a gay person," LaCour said. "You forget the message but you remember the messenger."


The field experiment was conducted in 2013, during the month leading up to a U.S. Supreme Court decision that effectively overturned Proposition 8.

LaCour said that there was no difference in effect when researchers accounted for race or gender. However he said their was a slightly more positive effect when a gay canvasser was initially perceived as being straight.

"There seems to be something powerful about a counter-stereotypical person advocating," LaCour said.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 13, 2014, 08:14:58 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-sosa/what-this-gay-atheist-learned-from-being-an-evangelical-christian_b_6318946.html
What This Gay Atheist Learned From Being an Evangelical Christian
12/13/14

I was raised as a devout Evangelical Christian. My readers know I discarded that identity as an adult and don't mince words whenever the subject of religion arises. But what many probably don't realize is that religion continues to impact my life in profound ways. Sociologists say that even American atheists are often "cultural Christians," as the roots of our identities come from the experiences of both our pasts and current surroundings. And most U.S. citizens were raised in and around Christianity.

Evangelical Christianity, which, like all religious systems, has a host of well-documented problems. But I won't be discussing those here, as it's something I do often. This is about the way communities shape our identities, and how good can be drawn even from the experiences of identities we later reject.

These five concepts exist in many other forms around the world, but I discovered them through being a Christian. After a few years outside the isolation of an Evangelical community, these are values I find most lacking in the mainstream and would pass on to others who are still building their own identities.

Intimacy is not just for romantic partners. Those who have spent a lot of time around Evangelicals will notice that they tend to have uniquely personal relationships with each other. Platonic male friendships are the most noticeable, as they veer outside the emotional boundaries of masculinity in mainstream culture. They're often physically affectionate, talk openly about subjects that make most people feel vulnerable and routinely say "I love you."

Caring for the needs of others leads to a happier life. When someone was without food, clothing, shelter or other necessities, the church would step in to help. And by "the church," I mean the people within it would often individually offer their assistance. Caring for others wasn't just a duty, it was viewed as a privilege. Through that service, people formed bonds that remained throughout their lifetimes and, as a bonus, ensured that goodwill existed for themselves if they fell onto hard times.

Using polite language averts hostility. This easy lifestyle choice is a valuable one for both professional and private interaction. Cursing and overt disrespect almost never lead to a better result, because displays of anger show a lack of self-control and stability while putting the other person on the defense. People have trust for individuals whose behavior isn't abusive, even when having a disagreement.

Music is an essential component of community. Evangelicals sing all the time. And despite what "Footloose" would have you believe, Christian usually love to dance. Music forms a huge part of religious identity. The worship songs of Christianity are often based on communal joy and celebration. Uplifting music is a reliable tool for easing social tension and bringing diverse groups of people together in a dynamic way.

Loving others is our primary responsibility. Evangelical Christians believe that love is greater than even faith, which is written by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians. While one can turn on the news and see Christian leaders ignoring this value, it doesn't change the fact that the concept imprinted itself on my life. As a lifestyle vegan, civil rights advocate and progressive political commentator, love remains the guiding force in the derivation of my values.

Will I be returning to Evangelical Christianity? Nope. But that doesn't mean I can't use the best parts of my past to inform the choices I make as I step into the future.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on December 20, 2014, 07:10:51 am
Yet Another Major Denomination Moves Towards Ordaining Openly Gay Pastors

The Church of Scotland has taken a significant step towards ordaining practicing homosexual ministers, after a majority vote by local bodies.

Out of a total of 45 regional presbyteries, over 30 are thought to have voted in favor of allowing congregations to appoint gay ministers who are in civil partnerships.

The issue has already caused 18 ministers and hundreds of members to leave the denomination.

A final decision will be made after draft legislation is passed to the Church of Scotland's General Assembly in May.

The proposal affirms the church's traditional stance on marriage but allows congregations to "opt out" and ordain practicing gay ministers if they want to.

There has already been extensive opposition to the move.

Today, a protest group called Covenant Fellowship is being launched to campaign for a traditionalist stance within the Church of Scotland.

Rev. Professor Andrew McGowan, a member of the group, said that the church is in the "midst of a severe crisis."

He hopes that the protest will "grow to become an effective campaign group within the Church on behalf of those who believe in Christian orthodoxy."

Last month Conservative MSP Alex Johnstone, who is a member of the church, said that the move would "ultimately weaken" the church.

Rev. Richard Buckley, of evangelical group Forward Together, echoed this sentiment saying it was as if "an ax had been set at the root of the Church of Scotland."

In October this year, every Church of Scotland congregation on the Isle of Lewis, the largest island in Scotland's Outer Hebrides, opposed the move.

A spokesman for the Lewis Presbytery warned that the proposal risked causing "further disunity" within the denomination.

The issue has already caused division within the church.

Last year, Rev. Dominic Smart of Gilcomston South church in Aberdeen resigned from the church and began holding separate services in a hotel.

He described ordaining gay ministers as a "clear and deliberate move away from the authority of Scripture as the Word of God and our supreme rule of faith and life."

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/46523-yet-another-major-denomination-moves-towards-ordaining-openly-gay-pastors


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 17, 2015, 02:53:51 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/17/supreme-court-gay-marriage-2015_n_6419014.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
1/17/15
If The Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage In 2015, How Will Evangelicals Respond?

(RNS) Ten years after Massachusetts became the first state to allow same-sex marriage, gay and lesbian Americans can be wed in 35 states and the District of Columbia (Florida will boost that number to 36, starting Tuesday). This year, the Supreme Court may put an end to the skirmish by legalizing what progressives call “equality” and conservatives dub a “redefinition” of this cherished social institution.

The court last ruled on gay marriage in 2013 when the justices gutted much of the federal Defense of Marriage Act in United States v. Windsor and delivered a massive blow to anti-gay marriage advocates. Since then, the court has acted by not acting — in effect, doubling the number of states where gay marriage is legal, from 17 to 35, by refusing to hear a slew of appeals last year.

In November, the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld gay marriage bans in four states, which will almost certainly require the high court to decide the issue once and for all.

Conservative Christians have been among the most ardent opponents of gay marriage and rights for decades. How will they respond if the Supreme Court makes gay marriage legal nationwide?

The answer, it turns out, depends on which Christian you’re speaking to.

Russell Moore, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, has become a leading face for the next generation of Christians opposed to gay marriage. He expects the court to take up marriage this year, and is not optimistic about how they’ll rule given the Windsor decision.

Even so, he doesn’t think such a ruling will make a whit of difference for most of his fellow evangelicals.


“Evangelicals are, by definition, defined around the Bible and the gospel,” Moore said. “The Scriptures are clear on what marriage is, and clear on the sin of sexual expression outside of the marriage covenant of a man and woman.”

If the court were to “redefine marriage,” Moore said Christians should “be ready to offer an alternative vision of marriage and family” that doesn’t include same-sex unions. Interestingly, his vision would be promoted primarily within the church rather than changing laws through political action.

“We must articulate these truths about marriage in our gospel witness, and we must embody these truths in churches that take marriage seriously,” Moore said. “This means we must start teaching our children a countercultural word about what it means to be men and women, about what marriage is, and that must begin not in premarital counseling but in children’s Sunday school.”

He contends that anyone who supports gay marriage is not an evangelical.

Ryan Anderson, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation who co-authored “What is Marriage?” with Princeton scholar Robert P. George, is a powerful voice among young conservatives. Anderson thinks the court is “very likely” to take up same-sex marriage in 2015 given the 6th Circuit decision, and he believes the decision will come down to Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has authored the court’s most significant gay rights decisions.

Anderson (a Roman Catholic, like Kennedy) said the majority of evangelicals will remain opposed to gay marriage regardless of the ruling. But he believes the law can serve a “pedagogical function,” so legalizing gay marriage could “change the public understanding of behavior.” While Anderson won’t predict how conservative Christians at large would react, he said much depends on the behavior of LGBT advocates.

“We’ll have to see how gracious or vindictive voices within the LGBT community are in their responses,” Anderson said. “Will they become a live-and-let-live movement or a stamp-out-dissent movement? If there’s respect, there’s likely to be less pushback from conservatives.”


Anderson and Moore represent a sizable chunk of the Christian population — a majority of evangelicals and half of practicing Catholics oppose gay marriage — but they are not all of it. In recent years, many Christians, particularly younger Christians, have changed their minds on the matter. From 2003 to 2013, support for gay marriage among white evangelicals more than doubled, and support among Catholics rose by 22 percentage points.

Brandan Robertson, national spokesman for the group Evangelicals for Marriage Equality, an organization that believes “you can be a devout, Bible-believing evangelical and support the right of same-sex couples to be recognized by the government as married,” also believes the court will take up the issue this year.

“Christians are increasingly saying that they need to stand up for LGBT equality no matter what they believe theologically,” he said, “and they are doing this not because they are American, but because they are followers of Christ.”

Though Robertson is strident in his support of “marriage equality,” he shies away from addressing whether homosexual behavior is moral, or sinful — representing many Christians who draw a distinction between civil marriage and Christian marriage.

Justin Lee, executive director of the Gay Christian Network and author of “Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate,” believes a Supreme Court decision in favor of gay marriage is inevitable. While his organization seeks to welcome Christians from a range of perspectives, his comments about marriage mirror Robertson’s.

“There is a distinction between Christian marriage in the eyes of God and civil marriage in the eyes of the state,” Lee said. “My hope is that Christians will continue to see that what the state says marriage is may not line up with what the church or God says.”

Conservatives are changing their minds, albeit slowly, about homosexuality, but are shifting more rapidly on gay marriage.

Even though about half of conservative Christians now believe that gay marriage is inevitable, don’t expect them to slip quietly into the night. Progressives may have the momentum, but conservatives still have a majority. Look to evangelicals to shore up the theology around holy matrimony, and fight to defend their religious liberty rights to oppose same-sex marriage.

“A Supreme Court ruling might be the last word in legal terms,” Moore said, “but it is hardly the last word in cultural or spiritual terms.”


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on February 01, 2015, 06:19:37 am
Megachurch Leader Claims ‘Divine Wind’ Moved Him to Fully Accept Members Practicing Homosexuality

An apostate pastor in the Bible Belt who leads the congregation that country star Carrie Underwood attends recently announced from the pulpit that not only can practicing homosexuals be members, but those in sexual sin can now fully serve in his church and will be allowed to “marry” at the facility.

“Our position that these siblings of ours, other than heterosexual, … cannot have the full privileges of membership, but only partial membership, has changed,” Stan Mitchell of GracePointe Church in Franklin, Tennessee announced earlier this month as some clapped and others sat silently in disapproval.

“Full privileges are extended now to you with the same expectations of faithfulness, sobriety, holiness, wholeness, fidelity, godliness, skill, and willingness. That is expected of all,” he continued. “Full membership means being able to serve in leadership and give all of your gifts and to receive all the sacraments; not only communion and baptism, but child dedication and marriage.”

Mitchell, 46, claims that God moved upon him three years ago to begin rethinking his position on inclusion in the congregation. Heretofore, GracePointe had allowed those who identify as homosexuals to attend the services, but drew the line at serving in leadership positions or being “married” by the leadership.

“We were thrust, I believe, by a divine wind, into a prayerful, painful, invigorating, careful and hopeful conversation regarding sexual orientation and gender identity,” he said, remarking that the “art of conversation … is a holy calling.” “This has been at the least painful, and at times, devastating.”

Mitchell said that some homosexuals left the congregation because they disagreed with GracePointe’s position, but others also left when he announced a time of listening over the issue because they were appalled that the matter needed to be discussed at all.

“We lost not only those who could bear the pain of partial inclusion no longer, we lost other brothers and sisters who were on the other side, who so deeply believed they knew God’s heart on this matter … as being opposed to any expression of mutual human sexuality other than theirs,” he stated before those gathered.

“These people left because in spite of the fact that they love GracePointe and they loved all of us, they could not bear even a conversation lest it promised to yield a conclusion they already had,” Mitchell said. “I do not blame them. They are on their journey, and I’m on mine.”

The evangelical minister acknowledged after announcing that he had decided to fully embrace homosexuals in the congregation that others may choose to depart.

“Inclusion means that we can live together in agreement and disagreement, but if this stretches you to the point of having to compromise your soul, and you do need to separate, I would be a hypocrite to say I don’t understand that,” he stated. “Because, conversely, my soul has been stretched to the point that if I do not say what I say today, I cannot be here any longer. I have felt this way for many, many years.”

But Mitchell also expressed doubt over his conclusion.

“I am not sure I am right, but I am sure I sense the presence of God, and I know I’m doing my best,” he said. “And I believe before God almighty to this we have been called, and here we stand.”

According to TIME, Mitchell’s congregation continues to shrink since he first made the announcement two years ago that he was going to open a listening period over the issue. Two years ago, GracePointe had an average of 800-1000 members in attendance, and after he announced full inclusion for homosexuals this month, attendance went down to 673. Last week, it stood at 482.

Country pop star Carrie Underwood, who attends GracePointe with her husband Mike Fisher, announced in 2012 during the same time that the congregational “conversation” was underway that she supported same-sex “marriage.”

“I definitely think we should all have the right to love—and love publicly—the people that we want to love,” she told The Independent. “It’s not about setting rules or [saying], ‘Everyone has to be like me.’ No. We’re all different. That’s what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other. It’s not up to me to judge anybody.”

Video: Discussion begins at 44:00

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Post by: Mark on February 03, 2015, 05:16:20 am
Professor Says ‘Fear of Man, Not God’ Led Megachurch Leader to Accept Homosexual Members

A Christian theology professor says that it was the fear of man, not God that led a Tennessee megachurch minister to announce full acceptance of homosexuals in his congregation, including the allowance of those involved in sexual sin to serve in leadership roles and to “marry.”

“If you fear man, God will become small to you,” wrote Owen Strachan, Assistant Professor of Christian Theology and Church History at Boyce College in Louisville, Ky. in a post on Friday. “The approval of fellow sinners will matter more to you than obeying God by the witness of His word.”

As previously reported, Stan Mitchell of GracePointe Church in Franklin, Tennessee, told reporters last week that God moved upon him three years ago to begin rethinking his position on inclusion in the congregation. Heretofore, GracePointe had allowed those who identify as homosexuals to attend the services, but drew the line at serving in leadership positions or being “married” by the leadership.

“We were thrust, I believe, by a divine wind, into a prayerful, painful, invigorating, careful and hopeful conversation regarding sexual orientation and gender identity,” he said, remarking that the “art of conversation … is a holy calling.”

According to reports, approximately 15 percent of the congregation at GracePointe identifies as homosexual. Nicole Pasulka of TakePart.com spoke to one of the members, Dale Wigden, who said that he joined the congregation out of his quest to find the answer to the question “Where is the place where I can be gay and Christian?”

“It doesn’t matter what you’ve done or who you are, you were born beloved by God,” he recalled GracePointe worship leader Melissa Greene, formerly of the Grammy nominated and Dove Award-winning group Avalon, telling those gathered. She made the comment during a hymn sing as she provided a disclaimer before singing “Amazing Grace,” explaining that she didn’t agree with the use of the word “wretch” in the song.

And because Wigden took from the leadership that God wasn’t out to punish him for his sins, he became “hooked on GracePointe.” He also “felt accepted and had plenty of friends in the congregation, even though he didn’t have equal rights there.”

But Mitchell, 46, said that some homosexuals left the congregation because they disagreed with GracePointe’s partial inclusion of homosexuals and one man specifically called him, accusing Mitchell of “betraying” him. Others left when he announced a time of listening over the issue because they were appalled that the matter needed to be discussed at all.

“We lost not only those who could bear the pain of partial inclusion no longer, we lost other brothers and sisters who were on the other side, who so deeply believed they knew God’s heart on this matter … as being opposed to any expression of mutual human sexuality other than theirs,” he stated before those gathered.

While knowing that he could further lose members over the issue, and expressing doubt over whether his decision was right, Mitchell announced last month that he was changing GracePointe’s policy to allow “full privileges of membership” to those practicing homosexuality.

“Full privileges are extended now to you with the same expectations of faithfulness, sobriety, holiness, wholeness, fidelity, godliness, skill, and willingness. That is expected of all,” Mitchell declared. “Full membership means being able to serve in leadership and give all of your gifts and to receive all the sacraments; not only communion and baptism, but child dedication and marriage.”

Greene told Take Part that she agreed with the decision.

“[It’s] God’s heart, as far as we can tell,” she said. “LGBT inclusion is the beautiful byproduct of what we believe the gospel says.”

But while some applauded GracePointe’s move, others have expressed disappointment and are hoping that Mitchell—who does not believe that homosexual behavior is a sin—will repent.

“The move that Mitchell is making is not a heroic one. It is a cowardly one,” Strachan wrote on Friday. “It doesn’t cause true believers any trepidation. It deserves no applause. It merits no commendation. This is a moment of shame for this pastor, not a moment of acclaim.”

He said that he believes many pastors today fear man more than God.

“Many professing evangelicals today have no appetite to honor the Lord. They recognize that the winds of culture are against them,” Strachan stated. “To the core of their being, they are afraid.”

“Are there any in the new Israel, the church, who will honor God? Are the pastors of God’s people boys, and not men? Will we defend the righteousness of God when Satan assails it?” he asked. “Or will we fall silent, grow fearful, and drown out our proclamation of the truth in a series of jokes, qualifications, and selective put-downs of David-like Christians?”

But Strachan also recognized that Christians do not war against flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness. He said that his heart cry is for Mitchell’s eyes—and those like him—to be opened.

“I pray that Stan Mitchell … and other pastors and leaders out there who tremble before Goliath will be given eyes to see that they fear man, and not God,” Strachan said. “They are setting themselves and their congregations up for destruction. Gospel Christians do not cheer this downward spiral. We yearn for those who profess Christ to do the loving thing, which is to say, to repent and turn back to the obedience of faith.”

- See more at: http://christiannews.net/2015/02/02/professor-says-fear-of-man-not-god-led-megachurch-leader-to-accept-homosexual-members/#sthash.FWKheb2D.dpuf



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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 12, 2015, 11:20:33 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/10/ellin-jimmerson-wedding-week_n_6653644.html
2/10/15
Baptist Pastor Officiates One Of Alabama's First Same-Sex Weddings

Ellin Jimmerson, a Baptist pastor in Huntsville, Alabama, said she was surprised when she was asked to perform one of Alabama's first same-sex wedding ceremonies after the state overturned its ban on gay marriage. Although she has been supportive of the LGBTQ community, she's best known for her immigration activism.

"I cannot get my head around what happened yesterday," Jimmerson, 63, told The Huffington Post over the phone on Tuesday. "It wasn't just a local story."

Monday marked the first day same-sex weddings were legal in Alabama. Despite a direct mandate from U.S. District Judge Callie V.S. Granade, many probate judges throughout the state refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

“Now you’ve got a situation where you’ve got hundreds of people having no pastor to turn to to perform their wedding ceremony, nor can they go to the courthouse to get a license,” Jimmerson said.

A group of volunteers organized "Wedding Week," a movement to officiate and celebrate both same-sex and straight weddings, in response to these hurdles. For many couples -- about 42 on Monday alone, Jimmerson said -- this was a ticket to tying the knot.

The first couple scheduled to get married in Huntsville -- Adrian Thomas and Yashinari Effinger from Birmingham -- had requested a Baptist pastor to officiate their wedding. Heather Reed, a gay marriage advocate and one of the four Wedding Week organizers, looked for a Baptist pastor who would be willing to participate but found that many were uncomfortable agreeing to be in the public eye.

Jimmerson, who serves as minister to the community at Huntsville's Weatherly Heights Baptist Church but is not a paid staff member, agreed to participate in Wedding Week and quickly found herself the object of media attention.

“It’s been huge, and there’s been a lot of focus on me," Jimmerson said. "I’ve decided the formula for celebrity must be Alabama plus same-sex marriage plus Baptist minister with a photogenic rainbow scarf.”

The organizers also invited same-sex marriage supporters to get ordained online and come to Big Spring Park in downtown Huntsville to officiate the weddings.

"It has been phenomenal, the amount the community has come together to make this happen," Reed told HuffPost. "Yesterday there were over 60 officiants present. Only a handful are actual members of the clergy. Most of them got ordained just for this event."

Others in the community donated wedding cakes, dresses, hair-styling services, flowers and more, Reed said. The Huntsville Embassy Suites donated its ballroom for a nominal cost for a reception Monday evening and a deejay offered his services as well.

For Reed, the state's reversal of the gay marriage ban came as a shock. Reed married her wife, who serves as an army chaplain, in Maine last year. They have two kids and live in Huntsville -- a fairly liberal city compared to the rest of Alabama, Reed said. Even so, they never expected to see same-sex marriages become legal in their community.

"This came out of left field for us," Reed said. "Never in a million years did we think this was going to happen."

In a 2014 survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, 59 percent of Alabama residents said they opposed or strongly opposed same-sex marriage.

This degree of change can be unsettling for some, Jimmerson said. Opposition to many things in American history, such as interracial marriage, has been based in fear and discrimination, she said, adding that she thinks same-sex marriage will follow the same trajectory.

"For so long we thought of same-sex marriages as being a scandal, and then you add to that what people understand to be something called 'biblical marriage,'" Jimmerson said. "[But] our idea of one man one woman in a union based on love just doesn't appear in the Bible."

"I think we just have to realize that we are cultural beings as well as religious people and we have to learn to draw a distinction between what we're afraid of and insecure about and what God really demands of us -- which is to love one another," she said.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 12, 2015, 11:23:32 am
Quote
"I think we just have to realize that we are cultural beings as well as religious people and we have to learn to draw a distinction between what we're afraid of and insecure about and what God really demands of us -- which is to love one another," she said.

Uhm, NO...

1Corinthians 13:4  Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5  Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6  Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7  Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.


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Post by: Mark on February 20, 2015, 07:57:03 am
Liberal pastors lobby for 'gay marriage' (sermon notes not subpoenaed)



A pro-traditional values organization in Texas suggests that pastors lobbying lawmakers are ignoring their own message about Christian influence over government.

A group of liberal pastors was at the Texas Capitol in Austin on Thursday, lobbying lawmakers to desert voters and legalize same-sex "marriage."

Jonathan Saenz of Texas Values says the group cries out for "equality," which he explains Texas has experienced by supposed equality ordinances.

"Pastors being persecuted, having their sermons subpoenaed," Saenz cites as examples, referring to the controversial decision by Houston's lesbian mayor to subpoena the sermon notes and personal communication of pastors in that city who objected to the city's LGBT-friendly ordinance.

Saenz, Jonathan (Texas Values)Saenz contends that "redefining marriage and sexuality" means men can use women's restrooms – an allowance under Houston's new ordinance – and he says it also means people of faith are required to decide between living out their beliefs in a business or being forced by government to shut their doors.

"What's equal about that?" he asks.

OneNewsNow reported this week that a Washington state florist, who refused to make flowers for a homosexual "wedding," was told by a judge that she is free to have religous beliefs but is not free to follow her beliefs in her business.

When Christians try to influence the legislature, notes the attorney, apparently liberal pastors object to that.

"This group of people, I've seen around the state a lot, and they are the ones crying out for separation of church and state," says Saenz. "But for some reason I guess it's okay for them to use their faith to advocate when it comes to liberal ideology."

“We believe that laws that protect LGBT people strengthen every Texas family, bring together our communities and protect rights in ways that are important to all of us,” the Eric Folkerth, a United Methodist Church pastor, said at the Capitol, The American-Statesman newspaper reported.

A pastor for a Presbyterian church claimed that the church has been "co-opted" and is being used for "political purposes," apparently referring to traditional religous beliefs, the newspaper story also reported.

Saenz says those liberal pastors ignore the fact that 76 percent of Texans voters defined in the state constitution marriage as one man/one woman, and 54,000 Houston voters signed a petition in an attempt to overturn that city's equal rights ordinance.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2015/02/20/liberal-pastors-lobby-for-gay-marriage-sermon-notes-not-subpoenaed#.VOc8iy5rWk4


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 27, 2015, 10:14:36 am
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414398/wesleyan-now-offering-lgbttqqfagpbdsm-housing-not-typo-katherine-timpf
Wesleyan Now Offering LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM Housing (Not a Typo)
2/25/15

“Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, flexual, asexual...” Weslyan University in Connecticut is now offering “LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM” housing, because apparently “LGBT” — or even “LGBTTQQ” — wouldn’t have been inclusive enough. For the culturally ignorant among us, “LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM” stands for “lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, flexual, asexual, gender****, polyamorous, bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, sadism/masochism.” The name of this super-inclusive, social-justice-hero of a dorm is “Open House,” and it is meant to be a “safe space” for self-identified LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM students, according to the university’s official website.

Of course, some students may feel their sexual orientation or gender identity is so unique that it could never fit into one of the 15 categories represented by those letters. So, in order to make sure no one ever feels discriminated against, ever, the webpage also clarifies that Open House is “for people of sexually or gender dissident communities” in general. “The goals of Open House include generating interest in a celebration of queer life from the social to the political to the academic,” the web page states. “Open House works to create a Wesleyan community that appreciates the variety and vivacity of gender, sex and sexuality.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 27, 2015, 09:09:27 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/south-carolina-college-comes-against-homosexuality-202835316.html
2/27/15
South Carolina college comes out against homosexuality
In 2014, two male student-athletes at Erskine College in South Carolina announced they are gay. Now, the small Christian school has issued a statement taking a stance against homosexuality.


Last year, two male volleyball players at Erskine College in Due West, S.C. went public with their homosexuality. The young men's admission was welcomed by their peers and teammates, who provided an encouraging atmosphere that felt like “family.”

Now, the Christian school has released a statement opposing homosexuality.
According to the school’s website, the Student Services and Athletic Committee submitted the statement, which was approved by the full board. The administration will determine how to integrate the new statement into campus culture and procedures and will add it to official manuals.

The statement comes as an effort to re-align the university’s mission with the teachings of the Bible, and guide the school in developing policies regarding the school’s stance on homosexuality.

How this decision will affect lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students who are currently part of the student body remains to be seen.

The announcement has already drawn attention to the small Christian liberal arts school, which has a student body of 575. Understanding the complexity and controversy of homosexuality from a religious standpoint, the school’s statement addresses concerns while still announcing its stance on homosexual behavior.

The statement, in part, reads:

Erskine recognizes the complexity of current issues regarding sexual morality, marriage, and other expressions of human sexuality such as same-sex attraction, gender identity, and sex outside the covenant of marriage. Therefore, the Erskine community is advised to practice humility and prayerfulness when engaging in any conversations or other actions related to these topics. Erskine’s conduct policies and procedures seek to uphold biblical standards, promote repentance and grace, and point people to Jesus Christ . . . We believe the Bible teaches that all sexual activity outside the covenant of marriage is sinful and therefore ultimately destructive to the parties involved. As a Christian academic community, and in light of our institutional mission, members of the Erskine community are expected to follow the teachings of scripture concerning matters of human sexuality and institutional decisions will be made in light of this position.”

Students Drew Davis and Juan Varona publicly came out as gay last year in a profile featured on Outsports.com. The two individuals – who play Division II volleyball for the school – reported that while they were worried about how their orientation would be received, they were surprised at the outpouring of support from their friends and teammates.

"I was so happy for [Drew]," Michael Shneck, a volleyball team member, told Outsports. "Just finally being himself, being who he wants to be. It was cool to hear that he's so comfortable with himself that he could tell the rest of us who he really was."

Davis said his admission helped him gain confidence and feel more comfortable with himself.

"I've never had a team so close," Davis said. "They're like brothers to me. They are so accepting, and that has really made me more confident in myself."

Davis said that at the time, the only negative reaction he received was when his roommate moved out in fear that others would think he too was gay.

The volleyball coach also questioned the negative effect it would have on the team if Varona and Davis started dating and it ended on bad terms. Both players assured the coach there was no risk of such an interaction, so the team continued to move forward.

Last year, the volleyball team won its conference and was one of six teams to advance to the NCAA tournament, according to Sports Illustrated.

Erskine College is affiliated with the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, who may have been pressuring the school to take a firmer stance on homosexuality on campus. Chuck Wilson, the editor of ARPTalk, accused the school of avoiding controversial topics such as sexual orientation and adultery, and questioned if the school's approach was to “look the other way.

“The problem at Erskine is this: not only do most of the folks on the administration, staff, and faculty not know how to deal with the sins of homosexuality; they do not know how to Biblically address the other sexual sins on the Biblical sin-list,” Mr. Wilson wrote on ARPTalk.org. “Other than hypocrisy, what is accomplished by a college calling itself ‘Christian’ and not teaching and expecting Christian behavior? And therein lies the problem at Erskine. The folks at Erskine talk about Erskine being a ‘gospel enterprise’; however, talk is all they do.”

With the college’s new stance on homosexuality, Varona said he is concerned about the implications it will have on others who may be struggling with their sexual identities.

"The release of this statement makes me disappointed because I have never received anything but kind treatment from everyone at this school, and my sexual orientation is no secret. So it took me by surprise, Varona told Outsports.com. “The school took several steps back instead of progressing towards a future where everyone can be treated as an equal, which is a future most of the country is moving towards.”

Varona continued to say that he understands the complexity of addressing homosexuality from a religious angle, but said this decision may not be the best way to go about it.

"I understand the religious stand on adultery, which is part of the Ten Commandments in the Bible, and that would apply to heterosexual and homosexual people,” Varona said. “t just made me sad and worried for other gay people who might be struggling with confidence to come out."


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Post by: Mark on February 28, 2015, 07:37:54 am
Pastor Says God Told Her to Appear on 'Sex Box' TV Show

wonder what god that was...  ::) ::)

 An American pastor says she believes God has called her to appear on WE TV’s upcoming show “Sex Box.” Christian Today reports that Pastor Yvonne Capehart will appear on the show as an expert on relationships and intimacy.
 
“Sex Box” which first aired in the UK in 2013, will feature gay and straight couples, both married and unmarried, who will engage in sexual intercourse in an enclosed box on stage in front of a live audience. Couples then discuss their problems with intimacy with a panel of “sexperts.”
 
The “Sex Box” is opaque, soundproof and has no cameras.
 
Pastor Capehart, a couples’ counselor of 17 years said she rejected the offer to appear on the TV show three times before God spoke to her and told her to go on the show.
 
Capehart said, "...one thing about my life and one thing about God is He would push you to do some things that you probably think that you shouldn't do. I'm so glad because through prayer after I turned it down the third time, the Lord as He did many times in my life, with everything else in my life, instructed me that He had prepared me to do this. My presence would make a difference in being on the show.”
 
The pastor says that she will be able to give biblical advice to couples on “Sex Box.”
 
"I'm doing what I was called to do,” Capehart said. “I'm called and anointed...to speak to all people. I'm not just bound by the people that come to church. I'm called to speak to people whether they are in the church, out of the church or in the world.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/pastor-says-god-told-her-to-appear-on-sex-box-tv-show.html


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Post by: Mark on February 28, 2015, 07:46:36 am
Presbyterian Church May Soon Allow Gay Marriage through Constitutional Change

 The Presbyterian Church could be nearing a change in its constitution that would bless gay marriage. The church’s General Assembly voted to accept gay marriage last June; the motion now must be passed by 172 presbyteries to change the church’s stance on gay marriage.
 
Christian Today reports that the vote has been completed by 40 percent of the church’s governing region so far. 51 presbyteries voted in favor of gay marriage acceptance while 23 voted against the constitution change.
 
If passed, the Presbyterian Church’s constitution would claim that marriage is a "unique commitment between two people.” It currently reads that marriage is a “unique commitment between and man and a woman.”
 
Some Presbyterian pastors have already been granted permission to preside over same-sex marriages in states where the practice is legal.
 
The Presbyterian Church voted to ordain homosexuals four years ago in a close vote.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/presbyterian-church-may-soon-allow-gay-marriage-through-constitutional-change.html


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Post by: Mark on March 11, 2015, 04:21:35 pm
Included in a Christian College President’s Explanation for Inviting Lesbian Pastor to Speak Is a Very Controversial Claim About Christianity

Christian college officials are defending their school’s controversial decision to invite a lesbian faith leader to lecture students this month, claiming that they have no plans to reconsider the invitation and that people cannot be “guided and dictated by a first-century worldview.”

Bishop Yvette Flunder of the City of Refuge United Church of Christ in Oakland, California, is expected to speak at American Baptist College in Nashville, Tennessee, on March 18, as part of the school’s Garnett-Nabrit Lecture Series, a conference that focuses on Christian leadership.

Richard E. Jackson, vice president for administration, finance and legal affairs, told the Christian Post that Flunder — who is married to Shirley Miller — will be welcomed to speak, despite controversy and protests from some Christian clergy who disagree with the school’s decision.

“The reaction I have gotten is ‘what’s the controversy, what’s the big deal?’ You all are an educational institution,” Jackson told the outlet, adding that it is important for critics to consider that Flunder will be speaking mostly about her ministry to people with HIV and AIDS.

“I think that is completely compatible and consistent with the belief and philosophy of Christian people and Christian institutions to care for the least of us in any given society,” he said.

Forrest Harris, the school’s president, reflected similar sentiment, telling the Tennessean that he finds it “sad that people use religion and idolatry of the Bible to demoralize same-gender-loving people.”

When asked to explain what he meant by “idolatry of the Bible,” Harris offered up a definition that will surely have some Christians up in arms.

“When people say [the Bible] is synonymous with God and the truth,” he said. “We can’t be guided and dictated by a first-century worldview.”

See Flunder defending same-sex marriage below:

The event that Flunder is speaking at has been promoted by the National Baptist Convention, the largest denomination comprised of African American Christians in the U.S., though another group affiliated with the sect has expressed disagreement, according to the Tennessean.

The National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors, a group of conservative preachers, has launched a petition against the invitation.

“We believe that President Forrest Harris should rescind the invitation for Bishop Yvette Flunder to speak at ABC, solely on the basis that she is a proud, practicing, and public advocate of same-sex marriage,” the petition explanation reads. “We are also requesting that in the future, no male or female involved in a same-sex marriage be invited to speak at ABC.”

In a separate press release, the National Baptist Fellowship of Concerned Pastors said that it is “irresponsible, scandalous, non-biblical, and certainly displeasing to God” that a lesbian faith leader has been invited to speak at American Baptist College.

As for these critics who are vocally protesting the American Baptist College’s decision to host Flunder, Jackson said that he believes colleges can host speakers who come to address pointed and important topics without being forced to express support for ”any particular viewpoint.”

The school continues to double down, posting letters of support for Flunder’s speech that were sent by other faith leaders.

Read more about the controversy here.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/11/included-in-a-christian-college-presidents-explanation-for-inviting-lesbian-pastor-to-speak-is-a-very-controversial-claim-about-christianity/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 17, 2015, 08:32:34 pm
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/us/presbyterians-give-final-approval-for-same-sex-marriage.html?referrer=&_r=0
3/17/15
Largest Presbyterian Denomination Gives Final Approval for Same-Sex Marriage

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
MARCH 17, 2015
After three decades of debate over its stance on homosexuality, members of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted on Tuesday to change the definition of marriage in the church’s constitution to include same-sex marriage.

The final approval by a majority of the church’s 171 regional bodies, known as presbyteries, enshrines a change recommended last year by the church’s General Assembly. The vote amends the church’s constitution to broaden marriage from being between “a man and a woman” to “two people, traditionally a man and a woman.”

The Presbytery of the Palisades, meeting in Fair Lawn, N.J., put the ratification count over the top on Tuesday on a voice vote. With many presbyteries still left to vote, the tally early Tuesday evening stood at 86 presbyteries in favor and 41 against and one tied.

“Finally, the church in its constitutional documents fully recognizes that the love of gays and LESBIAN couples is worth celebrating in the faith community,” said the Rev. Brian D. Ellison, executive director of the Covenant Network of Presbyterians, which advocates gay inclusion in the church. “There is still disagreement, and I don’t mean to minimize that, but I think we are learning that we can disagree and still be church together.”

The church, with about 1.8 million members, is the largest of the nation’s Presbyterian denominations, but it has been losing congregations and individual members as it has moved to the left theologically over the past several years. There was a wave of departures in and after 2011, when the presbyteries ratified a decision to ordain gays and LESBIANS as pastors, elders and deacons, and that may have cleared the way for Tuesday’s vote.

With many conservative Presbyterians who were active in the church now gone, as well as the larger cultural shift toward acceptance of same-sex marriage, the decisive vote moved quickly toward approval, according to those on both sides of the divide.

Plenty of moderates and conservatives, however, have chosen to stay within the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), one of the nation’s historic mainline Protestant denominations, which has its headquarters in Louisville, Ky. Ministers who object will not be required to perform a same-sex marriage.

Paul Detterman, national director of The Fellowship Community, a group of conservatives who have stayed in the church, said: “Our objection to the passage of the marriage amendment is in no way, shape or form anti-gay. It is in no way intended as anything but concern that the church is capitulating to the culture and is misrepresenting the message of Scripture.”

He added, “We definitely will see another wave, a sizable wave, of conservative folks leaving,” but said he and others were staying because “this conversation is dreadfully important to be a part of.”

Other religious denominations that have officially decided to permit their clergy to perform same-sex marriages include the Episcopal Church, the United Church of Christ, the Quakers, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Churches and, in Judaism, the Reform and Conservative movements. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America left it open for individual ministers to decide.

“I don’t see any further large mainline denominations making the same move,” said Alan Wisdom, a Presbyterian and the interim editor of Theology Matters, a journal for conservative Protestants.

The United Methodist Church, with about 5.5 million members, has been debating same-sex marriage for years, but it includes a growing membership in Africa, where there is little acceptance of gay relationships.

The Presbyterians’ decision on Tuesday will put an end to the ecclesiastical prosecutions and convictions in the last few decades of ministers who broke church law by conducting same-sex marriages.

“Some of us are calling it liberation day,” said the Rev. William Blake Spencer, pastor of Ocean Heights Presbyterian Church in Egg Harbor Township, N.J., who is gay and voted with his presbytery on Tuesday. “It will be the last L.G.B.T.Q. issue that we debate and fight about, and finally our welcome comes without a ‘but’ or an ‘if.’”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 22, 2015, 02:37:17 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/22/mainline-protestants-gay-marriage_n_6901430.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
3/22/15
Most American Mainline Protestants Embrace Gay Marriage

(RNS) With the largest Presbyterian denomination’s official endorsement Tuesday (March 17), American mainline Protestants have solidified their support for gay marriage, leaving the largest mainline denomination — the United Methodist Church — outside the same-sex marriage fold.

Methodists, with more than 7 million members, rejected same-sex marriage at their last national conference, in 2012. They are likely to revisit the question at their next conference, in 2016, but a growing membership in Africa, where there is little acceptance of homosexuality, makes it unlikely the denomination will accept gay marriage.

Another denomination generally considered mainline, the American Baptist Churches USA, does not allow same-sex marriage, nor do a handful of smaller mainline denominations. But the Episcopal Church, the United Church of Christ and now the Presbyterian Church (USA) sanctify the marriage of two men or two women. The 3.8 million-member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America gives congregations the autonomy to decide for themselves.

“There is no group that has moved more quickly or more dramatically on this issue than white mainline Protestants,” said Dan Cox, research director of the Public Religion Research Institute, a nonprofit that studies trends in American religion.

In 2003, 36 percent of white mainline Protestants supported gay marriage, compared with 62 percent in 2014, Cox said.


And though there is not one Protestant on the Supreme Court, the fact that an increasing number of the nation’s churches are inviting gay couples to the altar is likely to weigh on the justices as they consider upcoming cases that would allow them to make gay marriage a right.

Cox notes that among white mainline Protestants, Presbyterians and Methodists in the pews hold strikingly similar views on gay marriage. In that same 2014 PRRI survey, 69 percent of Presbyterians approved of same-sex marriage, while 67 percent of U.S. Methodists did.

“Support for gay marriage in these denominational families is quite strong,” Cox said. “It’s hard to say the churches are actually leading on this issue. They are reflecting where their followers already are.”

The Rev. Jeremy Smith, minister of discipleship at First United Methodist Church in Portland, Ore., said the Presbyterian vote reminds Methodists to ask themselves why their own doctrine is the way it is.

“Why is this still on the books?” he said. “In the Methodist Church we have been behind the culture.”

The majority of church-affiliated Americans belong to denominations that forbid gay marriage, including Roman Catholics, most Baptists, Pentecostals, evangelicals and Mormons.

Mainline Protestants, once the majority in America, have lost ground in recent decades to other denominations and to independent churches.

This week’s Presbyterian Church vote was long expected after 61 percent of General Assembly delegates voted in June to allow gay and lesbian weddings. That made the 1.8 million-member PCUSA among the largest Christian denominations to take an embracing step toward same-sex marriage.

But the change did not become church law until a majority of the 171 regional presbyteries, or geographic regions, voted to ratify the new language. The threshold was reached Tuesday when the Palisades Presbytery in New Jersey became the 86th to approve a change in the denomination’s constitution making marriage a commitment “between two people, traditionally a man and a woman.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 22, 2015, 02:47:26 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/22/for-christians-and-gay-marriage-it-s-culture-not-doctrine.html
3/22/15
For Christians and Gay Marriage, It's Culture, not Doctrine

Mainline Protestant denominations have shifted not just what Americans think about LGBT people, but how they think about them. One veteran activist reflects on the changes.

What a difference a decade makes. Last week, the Presbyterian Church (USA) became the latest Christian denomination to affirm marriage equality, after a ratification vote in the Palisades presbytery on Tuesday night pushed the number of affirming presbyteries over 51 percent—thus making marriage equality official doctrine. With this move, the PC (USA) joins the Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, United Church of Christ, Conservative and Reform Judaism, Quakers, and Unitarian Universalists in affirming and supporting LGBT people.

The Presbyterians bring us ever closer to the tipping point of a majority of mainline Christian churches affirming LGBT people, including marriage equality. In fact, even those denominations that have not affirmed marriage equality all have strong, vocal minorities, advocating for change within them. But while observers might be asking themselves “Who’s next?” the changes to come will likely be more cultural than doctrinal.

The United Methodist Church is the only major mainline church left that could vote for marriage equality. They will CONTINUE to struggle to do so, however, since their voting delegation is global, with an increasing percentage of delegates coming from countries that have yet to affirm the existence of LGBT people, much less marriage equality.

That means major American churches yet to affirm marriage equality are likely to do it more through cultural change within the denomination than by formal vote. Despite the Southern Baptist Convention being so large (and conservative), the major decision making happens on a church-by-church basis. Evangelicals have even less centralized structure, so change is also going to come person-to-person, and church-by-church. That will take more time, but likely make the change stronger and more permanent.

On the flip side, we see the Roman Catholic Church’s hierarchical structure, meaning that any change is going to come from the top down. While it seems unlikely that the Roman Catholic hierarchy is going to change its views on marriage equality anytime soon (despite quotes from Pope Francis like “Who am I to judge?”), a majority of Catholic lay people in the United States support marriage equality meaning that the changing of HEARTS and minds has already happened. The hierarchy is out of step with what everyday Catholics believe.

Hardly any of this religious support for marriage equality was even imaginable a mere 15 years ago. I remember working in the movement to make the Lutheran Church more affirming to LGBT people. In 2001, the focus was on allowing LGBT clergy to serve openly. Marriage equality was not yet on anyone’s radar. In the church’s tradition of “prayerfully considering” controversial issues, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America created a study on human sexuality. What was initially established as a four-year study stretched into eight years of conversation, Bible study, prayer, and incremental votes that moved the church into a place where, finally in 2009, it was ready to affirm not only committed, life-long same-gender relationships, but also clergy who were in such relationships.

Likewise, in 2003 when former Bishop Gene Robinson was consecrated as the first openly gay bishop in any mainstream denomination, no state had marriage equality. The unprecedented election of someone who was openly LGBT was a huge deal, and caused him to face international rejection from many. Eventually, though, Robinson became the Ellen Degeneres of faith leaders, ushering in more openly LGBT leaders, and making the issue much less contentious over his tenure as bishop.

Since then, the country has experienced incremental steps backward and forward in regards to marriage equality. Today, as we witness the Supreme Court potentially strike down the few remaining state bans on marriage equality, nearly 2,000 faith leaders from all 50 states signed a brief that argues that the freedom to marry will, in fact, affirm religious liberty in the United States.

Churches have had a part in making that shift in society not just substantively, but stylistically—in terms of how change has taken place. When I was advocating for LGBT equality in the Lutheran church, we spent considerable time and energy investing in relationships with one another. We listened to their hopes and fears, we told stories of our own lives, and we talked about our future together as a church. When it came time to vote for further LGBT inclusion, people weren’t voting on an idea; they were voting on the relationships that had been built, and on a shared vision of how we could all be a church together.

That same principle applies in our society as well. People support marriage equality because they have seen that it provides the basic protections for their friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers. They support it because they have invested in relationships with LGBT people to learn about their lives. The converse is true, where those personal, even spiritual, relationships are absent, we see LGBT people’s livelihoods threatened by backlash: religious exemptions that roll back protections, denial of benefits to married couples, and so on.

Yet even within churches that still reject LGBT people, HEARTS and minds in the pews are starting to change faster than church policies or the preaching coming from the pulpit. That is because people in the pews are listening to that preaching while thinking about their friends, family, and neighbors who are LGBT and living full, productive lives.

No matter how the Supreme Court rules, the trend of Christianity increasingly affirming LGBT people, their lives, and their relationships will CONTINUE. That will continue to happen because LGBT people and their allies of all faiths will continue to share their lives and accelerate acceptance among their friends and family, leading America to a place of LGBT acceptance.

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2 Corinthians 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 25, 2015, 08:07:00 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/25/3638998/christian-group-threatens-boycott-indiana-governor-signs-anti-lgbt-religious-liberty-bill/
3/25/15
Christian Group Is Ready To Boycott Indiana If Governor Signs ‘Religious Liberty’ Bill

A Christian denomination with historic ties to Indiana is threatening to boycott the Hoosier state if the governor approves an exclusionary “religious liberty” bill, the latest in a growing wave of criticism over legislation that could be used to discriminate against LGBT people.

On Tuesday, the Republican-controlled Indiana legislature overwhelmingly approved a controversial bill that supporters say is designed to protect religious liberty in the state. But LGBT advocates have opposed the legislation, noting that while it is modeled after the federal Religious Freedom and Restoration Act (RFRA), it grants individuals the power to use religion as a legal defense even if the state is not involved in a case. This allows business owners to refuse service to same-sex couples simply by citing their religious beliefs, something Indiana conservatives have openly admitted is one of the bill’s intended goals.

Indiana Governor Michael Pence (R) said he is “looking forward” to signing the bill into law, but on Wednesday, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) — or “DoC” denomination, which claims around 659,000 members in North America and has been headquartered in Indianapolis for almost 100 years — sent a letter to Pence asking him to reconsider. The group threatened to relocate its general conference, which is scheduled to bring around 6,000 people to Indianapolis in 2017, if the state-level RFRA is approved.

“…The recent passage in the state legislature of the RFRA bill is distressing to us,” the letter read. “It is causing us to reconsider our decision to hold our 2017 gathering in Indianapolis.”

The denomination’s letter, signed by DoC General Minister and President Rev. Sharon E. Watkins and other officers of the church, went on to articulate a scathing assessment of the bill’s discriminatory implications:

Purportedly a matter of religious freedom, we find RFRA contrary to the values of our faith – as well as to our national and Hoosier values. Our nation and state are strong when we welcome people of many backgrounds and points of view. The free and robust exchange of ideas is part of what makes our democracy great … Our members and assembly-goers are of different races and ethnicities, ages, genders and sexual orientations. They have in common that they love Jesus and seek to follow him.

We are particularly distressed at the thought that, should RFRA be signed into law, some of our members and friends might not be welcome in Indiana businesses – might experience legally sanctioned bias and rejection once so common on the basis of race.

Todd Adams, Associate General Minister and Vice President of the DoC, told ThinkProgress the legislation would also pose very real “talent pool and employment issues” for local businesses as well as Indiana-based offices of the church.

“Any time you have laws that basically are permitting bigotry and hatred and wrapping it in the cloak of religious freedom, you are potentially excluding people who would want to come [to Indiana] and work for you,” Adams said.

The church officials concluded their letter with a plea asking the governor to take action, telling him “we urge you to veto the bill.”

The DoC’s letter is part of a groundswell of opposition to Indiana’s version of RFRA. Organizers of Gen Con, one of the world’s largest video game conventions, have threatened to relocate their annual event — which they say has a $50 million impact on Indianapolis each year — to another state if the measure is approved. Large Indiana-based employers such as Cummins, Salesforce, and Eskenazi Health have also decried the proposed legislation, as has former “Star Trek” star and LGBT advocate George Takei, who called the bill “backward-looking and divisive.”

Public pressure has successfully defeated state-level RFRA legislation in the past. When Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) was primed to sign a similar “religious liberty” bill into law in 2014, large businesses such as Apple, Intel, AT&T and American Airlines spoke out against the measure, and the NFL threatened to relocate the Super Bowl if it was approved. The advocacy, combined with vocal opposition to the bill from conservative lawmakers such as Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), ultimately pushed Brewer to veto the bill.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 26, 2015, 11:10:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9zQ20BTSwQ


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on March 28, 2015, 05:43:25 am
34,000 Black Churches Break Ties With Presbyterian Church USA

The National Black Church Initiative (NBCI), a faith-based coalition of 34,000 churches comprised of 15 denominations and 15.7 million African-Americans, has broken its fellowship with Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) following its recent vote to approve same-sex marriage. 

The Presbyterian General Assembly, the top legislative body of the PCUSA, voted last June to revise the constitutional language defining marriage. This arbitrary change of Holy Scripture is a flagrantly pretentious and illegitimate maneuver by a body that has no authority whatsoever to alter holy text.   

Rev. Anthony Evans, NBCI President noted:

"NBCI and its membership base are simply standing on the Word of God within the mind of Christ. We urge our brother and sisters of the PCUSA to repent and be restored to fellowship."

"PCUSA's manipulation represents a universal sin against the entire church and its members. With this action, PCUSA can no longer base its teachings on 2,000 years of Christian scripture and tradition, and call itself a Christian entity in the body of Christ.  It has forsaken its right by this single wrong act. 

"Apostle Paul warns us about this when he declared in Galatians 1:8 that there are those who will preach another gospel.

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. ... For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

"No church has the right to change the Word of God. By voting to redefine marriage PCUSA automatically forfeits Christ's saving grace. There is always redemption in the body of Christ through confession of faith and adhering to Holy Scripture.   

"In this case, PCUSA deliberately voted to change the Word of God and the interpretation of holy marriage between one man and one woman. This is why we must break fellowship with them and urge the entire Christendom to do so as well."

http://www.charismanews.com/us/48944-34-000-black-churches-break-ties-with-presbyterian-church-usa


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 08, 2015, 01:31:12 pm
http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2015/04/08/the-new-york-times-wants-us-to-rewrite-the-bible-n1982004
4/8/15
The New York Times Wants Us to Rewrite the Bible

How can the religious community live in peace and harmony with the LGBT community? New York Times columnist Frank Bruni has the solution. Just rewrite the Bible.

In his April 3rd column, “Bigotry, the Bible and the Lessons of Indiana,” Bruni, himself gay, recognizes that Christian beliefs are not necessarily grounded in hatred. The problem, he claims, is that, “Beliefs ossified over centuries aren’t easily shaken.”

Bruni, for his part, wants to shake us free from our fossilized faith.

According to Bruni, who evidences little or no understanding of how believers view the Scriptures (namely, as God’s inspired Word), if we hold to the view that homosexual practice is sinful, this is our “decision” and “choice.”

So, ironically, whereas homosexuality was once considered a choice, now what we believe about homosexuality is a choice.

After all, he argues, the belief that homosexual practice is sinful “prioritizes scattered passages of ancient texts over all that has been learned since — as if time had stood still, as if the advances of science and knowledge meant nothing.”

So, Bruni thinks he can simply dismiss the Scriptures as “ancient texts,” explaining that “all writings reflect the biases and blind spots of their authors, cultures and eras.”

But for devout Jews and Christians, the Scriptures are not just any writings, full of biases and blind spots.

If that was the case, there would be no basis for our faith whatsoever and no absolute moral foundations of any kind.

Forget about homosexuality. We would have no reason to hold to any of the fundamentals of our faith if Bruni’s description was accurate.

Not only so, but Bruni wrongly claims that for those of us who hold to the authority of the Bible, “the advances of science and knowledge” mean “nothing.”

To the contrary, all the scientific advances in the world cannot determine what is or is not moral, and there’s nothing we know today that changes our view that God did not design men to be with men and women to be with women. The new interpretations of Scripture that the “progressive” Christians are touting (and which Bruni applauds) are not based on new textual or archeological or linguistic discoveries. They are based primarily on emotional arguments, since there is nothing in the Bible that supports homosexual practice.

Bruni also repeats the common misconception that there are just a handful of “scattered” texts that deal with homosexual practice.

To the contrary, every law dealing with marriage and family, every positive example and precept, every illustration in the Bible about sexuality morality is based on heterosexual relationships (see, for example, Genesis 2:24; Exodus 20:12; Matthew 19:4-6; Ephesians 5:22-33).

That’s why there was not a need to condemn homosexual practice on every page. Everything in Scripture was against it. (To be perfectly clear, the Bible plainly teaches that God loves every human being, that all of us are fallen and in need of redemption, and that Jesus died for heterosexual and homosexual alike. The issue here is the meaning of marriage and the standard of sexual morality.)

Bruni cannot countenance this for a moment. Instead, he claims that our biblically-based faith “elevates unthinking obeisance above intelligent observance,” which is why “our debate about religious freedom should include a conversation about freeing religions and religious people from prejudices that they needn’t cling to and can indeed jettison, much as they’ve jettisoned other aspects of their faith’s history, rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity.”

So, those of us who hold to biblical morality are “unthinking” and “prejudiced” people who need to be “freed” from our antiquated beliefs.

It’s high time, Bruni opines, for us to catch up with the 21st century. How utterly primitive of us to believe that there’s anything wrong with homosexual relationships or acts!

Bruni, however, sees positive trends, pointing to a number of books by Christian authors who advocate a reinterpretation of the Bible, claiming that we have outgrown other biblically-based views over time, like the justification of slavery or the nature of gender roles.

The truth is that the Bible was misused to justify slavery, segregation, and the oppression of women whereas it is rightly used to condemn homosexual practice. (For a relevant lecture, see here.)

Bruni cites with approval a QUOTE from Mitchell Gold, a furniture maker and gay philanthropist who says that “church leaders must be made ‘to take homosexuality off the sin list.’”

And Bruni means it when he says “made to” – as in pressured to or forced to or coerced to. As he writes at the end of his column, “His [namely, Gold’s] commandment is worthy — and warranted. All of us, no matter our religious traditions, should know better than to tell gay people that they’re an offense. And that’s precisely what the florists and bakers who want to turn them away are saying to them.” (Of course, Bruni misrepresents the positions of these Christian business owners as well, but why deal with truth when caricature is so much more effective?)


So, rather than follow the biblical commandments, which are explicit and unambiguous when it comes to both the heterosexual nature of marriage (“from the beginning,” as Jesus said) and the sinfulness of homosexual practice, we should follow the new “commandment” of Bruni and Gold and simply rewrite the Bible.

Well, here’s a note to Mr. Bruni and the New York Times: A billion years from now, when the names of Frank Bruni and Mitchell Gold and the Times itself are long forgotten, the words of God will still stand (Isaiah 40:7-8; Matthew 24:35), and those florists and bakers whom you ridicule in this world will be highly esteemed in the world to come.

The fact is that churches and denominations and religious groups may come and go, but the Word of God is here to stay.

We do not sit in judgment on the Scriptures; the Scriptures sit in judgment of us. And while they call us to love our neighbors as ourselves, they also forbid homosexual practice.

That is not about to change.



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 09, 2015, 07:07:41 pm
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/April08/085.html
CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS Could Be Forced To Promote Gay Relationships
4/8/15

Schools should be forced to promote gay relationships in sex EDUCATION lessons, union leaders say.

The National Union of Teachers has called for a ‘positive portrayal of same sex relationships’ in lessons to be made ‘compulsory’ under the next government.

It said MPs had a duty to tackle ‘homophobia, biphobia and transphobia’ in schools and create a ‘positive climate of understanding about sexuality’.

But critics accused the NUT of ‘thought control’ and said the ‘intolerant’ proposals risked ‘oversexualising’ children at a young age.

Meanwhile, Christian groups warned it would compel teachers at faith schools to act against their beliefs.

However, the union said the changes were needed to tackle prejudice which was ‘still strongly prevalent in our schools’.

Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute said: ‘This motion is itself an act of intolerance towards mainstream Christians and their beliefs. It would force Christian teachers to have to CHOOSE between their faith and their job.

‘I wonder whether Christian members of the NUT who have paid their dues can expect any help from the NUT when their jobs are on the line.’

He added that Church schools already teach ‘love and tolerance’ of others without having to explicitly approve of same sex relationships.

The proposal was contained in a motion on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights passed by the NUT at its annual conference in Harrogate yesterday.

It stated: ‘Conference INSTRUCTS the executive to call upon the present and future government to … make it compulsory that all schools’ sex education policies include a positive portrayal of same sex relationships.’

Other proposals included promoting LGBT HISTORY Month – which celebrates gay and transgender rights movements – in every school.

The motion also advocated supporting transgender students and staff ‘while transitioning and after’.

Christine Blower, NUT General Secretary, said: ‘We need education policy that develops CURRICULUM for children and young people that supports the democratic values of a diverse Britain – including LGBT equality.’

The law would also see teachers at Muslim and Jewish schools compelled to promote gay marriage and other issues that go against their beliefs.

The proposal comes amid a row over the government’s new REQUIREMENT for schools to teach ‘fundamental British values’, which include tolerance of other faiths and lifestyles.

CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS have complained they were branded ‘intolerant’ and marked down by Ofsted after children were asked about gays and lesbians.

Durham Free School is set to CLOSE after inspectors branded it an educational failure and said some children displayed ‘discriminatory’ views towards people of other faiths.

Meanwhile, Grindon Hall CHRISTIAN SCHOOL in Sunderland was put in special measures after failing to meet Ofsted’s British values criteria. Inspectors were said to have asked pupils if they knew what lesbians ‘did’ and if any of their friends felt trapped in the ‘wrong body’.

The drive was formed in response to the Trojan Horse scandal in which Muslim hardliners allegedly tried to impose an Islamic agenda on schools in Birmingham.

The NUT motion RENEWED fears teachers would be required to go beyond their remit in tackling such a sensitive subject.

Andrea Williams from Christian Concern said: ‘This kind of policy is dangerous for our children who are being oversexualised at a very young age.

‘They are being introduced to concepts and having normalised same sex relationships which robs them of their innocence and is not good for their emotional and moral wellbeing.’

Chris McGovern, of the Campaign for Real Education, said: ‘The rights of groups who oppose gay marriage on sincere religious grounds should be respected as much as those who support gay marriage. Thought control should not be promoted by the NUT.’

A Church of England spokesman said it is ‘fully committed to sex and relationship education that allows room for exploration and discussion of relationships, within a framework of Christian values’.

Sex and relationships education is mandatory for pupils at council-run secondary schools. It is also compulsory for children aged between five and 14 at council-run schools to learn about sex as part of the science CURRICULUM



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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 01, 2015, 12:16:08 am
http://www.christianpost.com/news/supreme-court-gay-marriage-ruling-could-create-religious-liberty-issues-for-christian-schools-charities-obamas-lawyer-admits-138417/
Supreme Court Gay Marriage Ruling Could Create Religious Liberty Issues For Christian Schools, Charities, Obama's Lawyer Admits
4/29/15

WASHINGTON — The lead attorney representing the Obama administration admitted before the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday that if the court were to rule in favor of making same-sex marriage a constitutional right, it would create a religious liberty "issue" for faith-based schools and institutions, who could be at risk of losing their tax-exempt statuses.

As the Supreme Court listened to oral arguments regarding whether the 14th Amendment requires states to issue same-sex marriage licenses, U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli tried to dodge a question from Chief Justice John Roberts, who asked him whether or not religious schools which have married housing would be required to provide housing to same-­sex married couples.

The solicitor general, which is the third highest ranking official in the Justice Department and is appointed to speak on behalf of the Obama administration in court cases, provided a winded answer to Roberts about how it is the states that are responsible for setting their civil laws.

Roberts continued prodding Verrilli by saying that even though states set their laws, the federal government has "enforcement power," which Verrilli admitted was true but reasoned that there is no federal law "now" that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Justice Samuel Alito followed up and asked a pointed question regarding whether religious schools could have their tax-exempt status revoked for not providing same-sex couples with housing. Alito referenced the 1983 Bob Jones University Supreme Court case, which ruled that the Internal Revenue Service could revoke the school's tax-exempt status for refusing to accommodate interracial married couples with housing.

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy Says Definition of Marriage as One Man-One Woman Has 'Been With Us for Millennia'

"So would the same apply to a university or a college if it opposed same­-sex marriage?" Alito asked.

It was clear that Verrilli did not want to answer that question but offered an offhand remark assuring that a ruling in favor of gay marriage would create some issues.

"You know, I don't think I can answer that question without knowing more specifics but it's certainly going to be an issue," Verrilli stated. "I ­­ I don't deny that. I don't deny that, Justice Alito. It is, it is going to be an issue."


Speaking at a Heritage Foundation panel on Wednesday, which discussed Tuesday's oral arguments, Carrie Severino, chief counsel and policy director for the Judicial Crisis Network, explained that Verrilli's answer indicates that the Obama administration is looking to "preserve the ability to remove tax-exempt status from institutions, like religious universities."

"What this exchange shows is that the administration wants to leave the door wide open to do [removing tax-exempt statuses]," Severino told The Christian Post after the panel. "Not that they could really be bound, necessarily, by the statements here but the solicitor general does not want to, even in furtherance of winning this case, because him saying 'Don't worry, that won't happen,' that would actually help him in this case. Even though that would help his case, he said, 'I am not going to say that. We are not going to go there.'"

"Frankly his answer to Chief Justice Roberts a minute earlier more or less admitted that the federal government could say this case could force a religious college to open its married housing to a married same-sex couple if they were married under laws of the state," Severino added.

Severino also explained that such a ruling in favor of constitutional gay marriage would create a "head-on collision" with religious expression.

"That ought to give a lot of people cause to say that this is an absolute head-on collision potentially with religious liberty because the arguments that are being made on the other side are so extreme here," Severino stated.


Severino reasoned that if such a ruling could cause tax-exempt status issues for Christian universities and schools, it could also present religious freedom conflict for faith-based charities and other organizations also.

"There isn't any reason to say that it clearly wouldn't extend to charitable organizations, potentially even to removing tax-exempt status from a house of worship, which is a slightly different argument but I can see people trying to make that argument," Severino asserted. "Taking the tax-exempt status thing would be a gigantic step and a very serious blow to a lot of institutions, all sorts of charitable institutions that are run by religious organizations from Salvation Army on down."

"Just imagine if all of those groups were not tax-exempt anymore and what impact that would have on their ability to serve the poor the way they are attempting to do and live out their faith," she continued.

Severino expects that the potential for conflict with religious liberty will somehow weigh into the case's outcome even if the court decides to constitutionalize gay marriage.

"Those potential collisions were brought out and will affect the way the justices decide this case because I think that Justice [Anthony] Kennedy is not going to want to have that kind of collision with religious liberty, and any of the justices ought to be concerned with the potential of further limiting the religious liberty at this point," she said. "Perhaps, even if it doesn't mean that is going to affect the outcome entirely, it may affect the way that the opinion is written in a way to have less of a risk to steamroll religious freedom."


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 01, 2015, 02:55:21 pm
http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/houston-pastors-ratchet-up-fight-over-transgender-rights/
4/30/15
HOUSTON PASTORS RATCHET UP FIGHT OVER 'TRANSGENDER RIGHTS'
Ordinance war grabbed headlines when lesbian mayor subpoenaed sermons


A lawsuit against a Houston transgender-rights ordinance that grabbed national headlines when the lesbian mayor, Annise Parker, subpoenaed the sermons of area pastors is being escalated to the state Court of Appeals.

The pastors, announcing they have filed an appeal Thursday, released a statement.

“After ten months, thousands of man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs for the coalition, Judge Robert Schaffer caved in to political pressure by the LGBT political force who endorsed him and ruled that we were a few hundred signatures short,” they said.

“His subjective determination that a group of circulators’ signatures were not legible – a standard that does not exist in Texas election law and violates the federal Voting Rights Act – invalidated over 5,000 signatures, nearly 10 times the number needed to erase even his declared shortfall. We are confident that his decision will be overturned on that basis alone at the state Court of Appeals,” the statement said.

When the City Council adopted the ordinance, the coalition immediately collected signatures to put the decision before the voters, but the city fought back and disqualified signatures, so the pastors’ group filed the legal challenge.

“The resolve of our pastors and leaders has not wavered and we intend to right a voting rights wrong. We will take this to the Texas Supreme Court if needed to assure that the rule of law is restored in Houston, voters have our day at the ballot and to protect basic, God-given rights of the citizens in the fourth largest city in America,” the pastors said.

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Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 10, 2015, 06:44:23 am
Matt Walsh Clashes with Pastor over Bruce Jenner and How to Respond to Transgenderism

 Conservative commentator Matt Walsh recently clashed with a Christian pastor over how to respond to transgenderism.
 
Walsh wrote a piece called “Bruce Jenner Is Not A Woman. He Is A Sick And Delusional Man” that was published in The Blaze. Pastor Jarrid Wilson responded to the piece writing an open letter titled “Dear Bruce Jenner: Jesus Loves You and Cares For You.”
 
The Blaze reports Walsh and Wilson both believe that God does not mistakes when creating men and women but disagree on how Christians should respond transgenderism; Wilson believes the issue should be approached with compassion.
 
The men debated Bruce Jenner and transgenderism on “The Church Boys” podcast.
 
Wilson said, “As a Christ follower or as a pastor… I’m trying to encourage people on a daily basis to consistently show love to people, even if they don’t necessarily understand what they’re going through. It doesn’t mean that they have to agree with what they’re doing.”
 
Walsh said that Christians need to take a stronger stand against transgenderism in a society that is in crisis.
 
“What I do care [about] is that we all come to an understanding that, as Christians, we have to stop sacrificing the hard, difficult truth for the sake of seeming accepting, because I think that’s what’s driven us to the point we’re at in our culture, where we have a million babies being killed every year, the definition of marriage crumbling — we have now even the reality of man versus woman is no longer accepted. And I think we’ve gotten to that point in our culture, which is a very dangerous, evil place, because Christian leaders haven’t not stood up and said, ‘This is wrong’ and just laid out the truth,” Walsh said.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/matt-walsh-clashes-with-pastor-over-bruce-jenner-and-how-to-respond-to-transgenderism.html

Look, the appearance of sodomites in your lands IS JUDGMENT FROM GOD!


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 10, 2015, 08:56:02 am
For anyone that listens to pastor Jason Cooley's and bro Nate's sermons, radio broadcasts, and see their street preachings - they talk about how when we preach to the lost, we need to FIRST preach the LAW to them(believe it or not, alot of our early preachers and theologians did the same - which is why the 1700's had some of our greatest revivals).

Show compassion first? No - SOULS are at stake here!

Galatians 3:23  But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25  But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Matthew 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 20, 2015, 08:34:30 am
France’s Main Protestant Church Gives Blessing to Gay Marriages

France's largest Protestant Church, the fourth-largest religious group in the country, has voted for its pastors to give their blessing to homosexual couples. The move comes two years after Paris legalized same-sex marriages.

http://rt.com/news/259489-france-protestants-gay-marriage/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 24, 2015, 05:23:38 pm
United Methodists: Practicing Homosexuality Doesn't Contradict Christian Doctrine

 The United Methodist Church leadership has voted to submit a proposal to the 2016 General Conference that would remove “prohibitive” language about homosexuality from the United Methodist Book of Discipline.
 
The proposal removes homosexuality and the performance of same-sex weddings from the church’s list of chargeable offenses. Under the proposal, United Methodist pastors would be able to perform same-sex marriages in churches.
 
The Connection Table group voted 26-10 with one abstaining to submit the proposal.
 
Bishop Bruce R. Ough, chairman of the Connectional Table, said the group had a "very thoughtful, respectful heartfelt discussion and earnest desire to discern God's will."
 
But Jennifer LeClaire, senior editor of Charisma, disagrees. She says pastors are supposed to teach people the “difference between the holy and profane.”
 
“If we're going to condone the practice of homosexuality, what's stopping us from allowing pastors to commit adultery without rebuke?” she wrote in a column for Charisma. “Why not let drunken revelers lead kids church? Why not give greedy thieves and extortioners the responsibility for church finances?
 
“The point is, practicing homosexuality is not the only sin the Bible calls out in this verse, as so many gay rights activists like to stress,” she added “So why does the sinful practice of homosexuality, then, get special protection?”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/united-methodists-practicing-homosexuality-doesn-t-contradict-christian-doctrine.html


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Post by: Mark on May 25, 2015, 08:40:59 am
Church of England to consider 'transgender baptism' service

A "transgender baptism" service is to be considered by the Church of England for the first time.

The idea is to bless into God's family the new identities of Christians who have undergone gender transition.

The proposal was welcomed by the Church's most senior trans priest. Rev Rachel Mann, Rector of St Nicholas Burnage and a minor canon at Manchester Cathedral, told Christian Today: "Trans people feel powerfully called to be recognised in their 'chosen' name. An opportunity to be publicly introduced to God is therefore significant. I think this is what the proposed liturgy aims to do. It will be symbolically powerful. The extent to which it is [a form of] baptism will be debated by General Synod of course, but this liturgy is a welcome move to affirm Trans people."

There is no guarantee the proposal will succeed. It is in the form of a diocesan motion to the General Synod and needs to wait its turn to get debated on the floor. But it is certain to generate contention in a Church still struggling with its position on sexuality.

Rev Chris Newlands, vicar of Lancaster Priory, called for the change after he was approached by a young transgender person born a girl but transitioned to a boy seeking to be "re-baptised", the Guardian reports today. The vicar had at first thought the rule of one baptism sufficed, but changed his mind after discussing issues of identity with the young man.

He created a new service to affirm the original baptismal vows of the individual who was "introduced" to God with his new name and identity.

The motion, passed by Blackburn Diocese last month, states: "That this Synod, recognising the need for transgender people to be welcomed and affirmed in their parish church, call on the House of Bishops to consider whether some nationally commended liturgical materials might be prepared to mark a person's gender transition."

Newlands told the Guardian he knew a number of trans people though his work with LGBT organisations. "It's an absolute trauma to go through this, with the surgery, as people get a lot of transphobic bullying. The church needs to take a lead and be much more proactive to make sure they are given a warm welcome."

The motion had "captured people's imagination", he said, and already gathered a large amount of support, being passed by the parochial church council, the Deanery Synod and the Blackburn Diocese, which covers Lancashire.

Newlands said: "I wanted to bring it to the General Synod as a commitment that bishops will take seriously, and for them to take the next step of getting a liturgy which parish priests can use for people who do the transition where they can be affirmed in the church."

Another individual, Susan Musgrove, 62, who underwent gender reassignment three years ago, also had a service of "public affirmation" at St Andrews Church, in Corbridge.

Musgrove, who has written about her experience, described it as the "final stage in what has been a life-long journey".

She said: "Give Blackburn their due, they have put this down as a one-line motion. It's no big deal, it shouldn't be a big deal."

The Church of England's official position on transgender issues is described in a House of Bishops memo in 2003.

Andrew Symes, of the conservative evangelical group Anglican Mainstream, said: "The Christian faith has always taught that people are created male and female. We speak for the conservative traditional point of view. We are aware there are a number of people who want to change from one gender to another and that's a new thing for the church to deal with. It would be something that would go against the teachings of the church up till now. It would be something that would cause controversy.

"To recognise all people is something the church should be doing but to have a service of blessing for someone to change their gender is a new idea. It's not been discussed before in the Church of England. It would need a lot of discussion and debate by theologians and I would need to know whether there are other agendas by the people bringing it. I would be very surprised if the diocese has passed the motion without a lot of discussion and debate."

The Archbishops' Council said: "Any of the 42 diocesan synods is free to propose items for debate at the General Synod. The Blackburn motion will join a queue of motions for debate and is therefore unlikely to be debated imminently. As the motion itself makes clear, any motion passed at General Synod would be the beginning not the end of a process."

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/church.of.england.to.consider.transgender.baptism.service/54463.htm


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 26, 2015, 02:52:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUfu6YKmHMw


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 07, 2015, 06:16:04 pm
First one had bad sound, so they took it down, and re-uploaded a better one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwfKt3lelPc


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 09, 2015, 11:08:57 am
I tried to stray away from this story - however, my parents have kept up with this. Apparently, this guy is a sodomite, going all the way back to his days as a HS wrestling coach in the 80's(where he molested a couple of boys on his team, and apparently had a close "relationship" with a man during that time. And I think he was very close to his male chief of staff during his days as House Speaker).

Posting this here - b/c just one of the rotten fruits of this whole "religious right" movement - this whole Hegelian Dialectic scheme by the RR has been to do just that...make christianity look foolish.(and look at the timing of this - the USSC will make a landmark ruling on sodomite marriage in 3 weeks)

Former U.S. House Speaker Hastert to appear on federal charges
http://news.yahoo.com/former-u-house-speaker-hastert-appear-federal-charges-110457394.html
6/9/15

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Dennis Hastert, a former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, was due to be arraigned Tuesday in federal court in Chicago on charges of trying to hide large cash transactions and lying to the FBI about it.

According to an indictment, Hastert, 73, was trying to evade detection of $3.5 million in payments he had promised to make to someone from his hometown of Yorkville, Illinois, to conceal past misconduct against the person.

Law enforcement officials have said Hastert was trying to cover up was sexual contact with a male, according to several media reports.

The Illinois Republican, who has not made any statements since he was indicted on May 28, was a high school teacher and wrestling coach at Yorkville High School in the 1960s and 1970s.

On Tuesday, Hastert was seen for the first time in public since the indictment. ABC News filmed the former lawmaker and his wife driving away from their farm in Wisconsin, stopping at a gas station in their black SUV, and arriving at their home in the Illinois town of Plano, about an hour's drive from Chicago.

Thomas Green, a Washington white-collar defense attorney with the Sidley Austin law firm, will represent Hastert, according to court documents and the law firm. Green declined to comment on the case.

Hastert led the House for eight years before leaving Congress in 2007. He was the longest-serving Republican speaker.

**Yes, b/c they had alot of dirt on him.

After the indictment, Hastert resigned from the Dickstein Shapiro lobbying firm in Washington, where he worked, and from the boards of exchange operator CME Group Inc and REX American Resources.

His alma mater, Wheaton College in suburban Chicago, removed his name from its policy center.

**I believe Wheaton is a "Christian" college.

According to the indictment, Hastert withdrew $1.7 million in cash from his bank accounts from 2010 to 2014. He is charged with "structuring" $952,000 of those withdrawals, taking the funds out in increments of under $10,000 to evade the requirement that banks report large cash transactions.

**Now THIS is who they be going after! NOT after people like Kent Hovind(who was doing LEGAL business), but after people like Hastert(who was doing ILLEGAL business)!

Hastert then told the FBI that he was keeping the cash for himself, which the indictment said was a false statement.

The person receiving the payments has yet to be identified. But another possible victim has emerged. The sister of a student at Yorkville High School told ABC News on Friday Hastert had sexually abused her brother, who is now deceased.

The arraignment is before District Judge Thomas Durkin in the federal courthouse in Chicago. The District Court for the Northern District of Illinois announced special media guidelines for proceedings including an overflow room for reporters.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 12, 2015, 11:39:07 pm
http://bereanresearch.org/gay-activist-matthew-vines-quietly-holds-private-meetings-with-christian-leaders/
6/9/15
Gay activist Matthew Vines quietly holds private meetings with Christian leaders

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In his newsletter, Matthew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian and founder of The Reformation Project (to reform biblically-based churches to accepting homosexuality and gay marriage), wrote this:

Pretty amazing news: Yesterday, evangelical leader Tony Campolo announced his support for “gay Christian couples” in the church, changing his position in a moving statement on his website after many years.
And then this morning, the work of The Reformation Project made the front page of the nation’s paper of record, The New York Times. The headline of the landmark article: “Evangelicals Open Door to Debate on Gay Rights.”

The work is far from over, but for a single day, that’s some remarkable momentum for this cause. Thank you to all of our allies, both old and new, and to our many dedicated co-laborers in this movement whose critical work continues make these kinds of breakthroughs possible.

In reading the New York Times piece, we see some interesting strategies from Vines. First, his meetings with Christian leaders are almost always private, one-on-one affairs. He has talked with small groups of pastors in Phoenix and Nashville and shared his story over coffee or lunch in places like Atlanta; Chicago; Orlando, Fla.; Portland, Ore.; and Greenville, S.C. If he can soften hearts and hard soil with his earnestness, his niceness, and his ability to make worldly reason sound so right, then he has gained a foothold.

Here is something I did not know: He also visited the campus of Focus on the Family in February, and talked with more than 20 staff members about the psychic and spiritual damage inflicted on young gay Christians by ministries like Focus. Says the Times: “The organization kept the encounter quiet until now because it did not want to be perceived as wavering in its stance.”

You mean like compromising the truth of God’s Word? Having nothing to do with falsehood?

Another strategy: Vines knows he can’t win (yet) in the big arena of the Church. But he can do this:

The first step in changing churches would be to identify the “silent sympathizers” and encourage them to speak up.So in the meeting at Biola, Mr. Vines was on the lookout for just one silent sympathizer.

Not surprisingly, Vines found that man easily. Read the rest of the story here about how easily the folks at Biola opened the door just a little bit wider with this “brother in Christ.”


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 01, 2015, 10:01:53 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/episcopalians-vote-allowing-gay-marriage-churches-064849720.html
7/1/15
Episcopalians vote to allow gay marriage in churches

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Episcopalians voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to allow religious weddings for same-sex couples, solidifying the church's embrace of gay rights that began more than a decade ago with the pioneering election of the first openly gay bishop.

The vote came in Salt Lake City at the Episcopal General Convention, just days after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage nationwide. It passed in the House of Deputies, the voting body of clergy and lay participants at the meeting. The House of Bishops had approved the resolution Tuesday by 129-26 with five abstaining.

The Rev. Brian Baker of Sacramento said the church rule change was the result of a nearly four-decade long conversation that has been difficult and painful for many. Baker, chair of the committee that crafted the changes, said church members have not always been kind to one another but that the dynamic has changed in recent decades.

"We have learned to not only care for, but care about one other," Baker said. "That mutual care was present in the conversations we had. Some people disagreed, some people disagreed deeply, but we prayed and we listened and we came up with compromises that we believe make room and leave no one behind."

Baker said the House of Bishops prayed and debated the issue for five hours earlier this week before passing it on to the House of Deputies.

The Rev. Bonnie Perry of Chicago, a lesbian married to a fellow Episcopal priest, hugged fellow supporters on Wednesday and said, "We're all included now."

"For the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in our congregations now know under the eyes of God and in every single state in this blessed country, they are welcome to receive all the sacraments," she said.

The Rev. Jose Luis Mendoza-Barahona of Honduras gave an impassioned speech, saying the new church law goes against the Bible and would create a chasm in the church.

"The fight has not ended, it's starting," he said. "Those of us in the church who are loyal followers of Christ are going to remain firm in not recognizing what happened today."

The vote eliminates gender-specific language from church laws on marriage so that same-sex couples could have religious weddings. Instead of "husband" and "wife," for example, the new church law will refer to "the couple." Under the new rules, clergy can decline to perform the ceremonies. The changes were approved 173-27. The deputies also approved a gender-neutral prayer service for marriage on a 184-23 vote.

The measures take effect the first Sunday of Advent, Nov. 29.

Many dioceses in the New York-based church of nearly 1.9 million members have allowed their priests to perform civil same-sex weddings, using a trial prayer service to bless the couple. Still, the church hadn't changed its own laws on marriage until Wednesday.

The Episcopal Church joins two other mainline Protestant groups that allowed gay marriage in all their congregations: the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). The 3.8-million-member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America lets its congregations decide for themselves, and many of them host gay weddings.

The United Methodist Church, by far the largest mainline Protestant church with 12.8 million members, bars gay marriage, although many of its clergy have been officiating at same-sex weddings recently in protest.

The Episcopal Church is the U.S. wing of the Anglican Communion, an 80 million-member global fellowship of churches. Ties among Anglicans have been strained since Episcopalians in 2003 elected Bishop Gene Robinson, who lived openly with his male partner, to lead the Diocese of New Hampshire. Many theologically conservative Episcopalians either split off or distanced themselves from the national U.S. church after Robinson's election.

On the eve of Wednesday's vote, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, issued a statement expressing deep concern about the move to change the definition of marriage.

Robinson said after the vote, "It's a day I wasn't sure I would live to see."

"What we're seeing I think in the Episcopal Church, and last week with the Supreme Court decision, is an entire culture evolving into understanding that gay and lesbian, bisexual and transgender people contribute just as much as anyone else to this society and deserve all the same rights," Robinson said.

After the Supreme Court ruling last week, many conservative churches, including the Southern Baptist Convention and the Mormons, renewed their opposition to gay marriage.

The gay marriage decision is the second major news to come from the convention, the top policymaking body of the church. The church elected its first black presiding bishop last weekend, with Bishop Michael Curry of North Carolina winning in a landslide.

Curry has allowed same-sex church weddings in North Carolina, and he said the Supreme Court "affirmed the authenticity of love" by legalizing gay marriage.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on July 02, 2015, 08:53:14 am
Episcopal Church Changes Definition of Marriage to Include Same-Sex Couples, Axing ‘Man and a Woman’ From Canon

The Episcopal Church officially joined Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and the United Church of Christ this week in becoming the third mainline denomination to embrace gay marriage rites — a move that comes just days after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex unions.

The new liturgy extending marriage to gays and lesbians was widely approved with a vote of 184-23 by the Episcopal Church USA’s House of Deputies during the denomination’s 78th General Convention; it will become available for use on November 29, Deseret News reported.

In a separate vote of 173 to 27, the institution of marriage was changed from being comprised exclusively by a man and a woman to being between two persons more generally, with the line “both parties understand that Holy Matrimony is a physical and spiritual union of a man and a woman” being axed from the canon.

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This moves comes after decades of debate in the Episcopal Church — which has nearly 1.9 million members — over whether gay leaders and same-sex marriage should be embraced, with church leaders clearly settling the rules on the matter this week. But despite making such a definitive decision, internal battles are likely far from over.

Infighting has been rampant since the church first allowed its first openly gay bishop in 2003; the marriage move will likely only perpetuate the debate. Consider that some Episcopal leaders this week vocally opposed the decision to change the traditional definition of marriage.

“This resolution goes against the biblical principles of our church,” the Rev. José Luis Mendoza said. ”Don’t be seduced by the fashion of society.”

Others spoke up as well, with Bishop William Love of Albany, New York, invoking Matthew 19:5, which included Jesus explaining that marriage involved a man and wife becoming “one flesh.”

“If our Lord is the son of God … God incarnate,” he said. “He is quite aware of the nature of marriage and could have offered alternatives but did not.”

Others, though, were overjoyed by the decision, with the Rev. Bonnie Perry of Chicago, Illinois — a lesbian who is married to another priest — expressing happiness over the marriage amendment, the Chicago Tribune reported.

“For the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in our congregations now know under the eyes of God and in every single state in this blessed country, they are welcome to receive all the sacraments,” she proclaimed.

The marital change does come along with a major caveat: Faith leaders will be given permission not to perform gay marriages without penalty, according to George Conger, an Episcopal priest from Florida, with these rights extending to priests and bishops, alike.

“Clergy were also given the right to refuse to perform a same-sex marriage, with the promise they would incur no penalty, while bishops were given the right to refuse to allow the services to take place in their diocese,” he wrote in a Washington Post piece.
Plastic figurines depicting a female couple and a male couple, displayed on a table, at the Gay marriage fair, in Paris, Saturday, April 27, 2013. Lesbian and gay cake toppers, his-and-his wedding bands, flower-themed tuxedo bow ties: Marketing whizzes have held France's first gay-marriage fair four days after parliament legalized same-sex wedlock. Wedding planners, photographers and high-end tailors pitched their services at the Paris fair Saturday. Police stood guard outside a precautionary measure after recent bouts of anti-gay violence by foes of same-sex marriage. The legislation sparked huge protests across France. Credit: AP

AP

This, of course, will likely setup additional internal battles in dioceses where bishops have banned gay marriage, as individual priests under their direction will not be permitted to marry same-sex couples.

Anglican Communion leader Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby expressed concern over the decision to remove the traditional definition of marriage, claiming that it will cause “distress for some and have ramifications for the Anglican Communion as a whole, as well as for its ecumenical and interfaith relationships.” The Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion.

As TheBlaze previously reported, Christianity in America has lost between 2.8 and 7.8 million followers over the past seven years, with the largest drop observed within mainline Protestantism, a group of denominations known for embracing more theologically progressive ideals.

While there were 41 million mainline Protestants in 2007, that number dropped to around 36 million last year. This comes as denominations under that umbrella continue to splinter over the embrace of homosexuality and same-sex nuptials.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/02/episcopal-church-changes-definition-of-marriage-to-include-same-sex-marriage-axing-man-and-a-woman-from-canon/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on July 03, 2015, 07:59:13 am
20 Questions for Christians Supporting Same-Sex Marriage

Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has imposed same-sex marriage upon every state in the nation, it would be wise for each of us to think through this issue a little deeper. And so here are 20 questions for anyone who supports this newfangled definition of marriage:

1. Is sex outside of marriage sinful?

2. Is sexual sin the only sin against a person's body? (see 1 Cor. 6:18)

3. Is your attitude toward those who don't agree with you one of love, hate, or something in between?

4. Does holding a particular position on this issue make a person a hater?

5. Is faith in Christ the only way to be forgiven, and is Jesus therefore the only way to heaven?

6. Was Jesus telling the truth when He said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (see John 14:6)

7. Can you find even one supporter of same-sex marriage who also believes Jesus is the only way to heaven?

8. Do most sincere people in every religion go to heaven?
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9. Is the Bible God's inspired Word, or just human opinion?

10. Will adulterers go to Heaven, even without repenting of their sin and turning to Christ for forgiveness? (see 1 Cor. 6:9,10)

11. During His earthly ministry, is there any evidence that Jesus taught that adultery and homosexual behavior are no longer an abomination to God, as opposed to what Jews had taught from Scripture for many centuries?

12. Can there be a way that seems right to a man, but only leads to death? (see Proverbs 14:12)

13. Is adultery a bigger sin than homosexual behavior?

14. Can a person be forgiven even while deliberately persisting in sinful behavior? (see Hebrews 10:26,27)

15. Is homosexual behavior a sin in God's eyes as recorded in both the Old Testament and the New Testament?

16. Does God determine what is sinful based upon public opinion polls?

17. Is it ever right to look down on someone with a self-righteous attitude?

18. Was it unloving for Jesus to tell the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you. Go now and leave your life of sin." (see John 8:11)

19. Is it wrong to have a strong biblical conviction about the sins of greed, jealousy, sex outside of marriage, and prejudice?

20. Will every person stand before God on Judgment Day?

These 20 questions are intended to help us think through this sensitive issue on more than just an emotional level. We owe this honest evaluation to the Lord who created us as sexual beings, as well as to those who struggle with same-sex attraction.

No one chooses to have gay feelings, just like no one chooses to have a quick temper. But some things in life show up at the doorstep of our heart even though we did not ask for them. This calls for spiritual discernment so that we don't naively assume that we can always trust our feelings and desires to lead us down the right path.

And don't ever be afraid to share what God's Word clearly teaches, and to do so with a loving heart. That's what Jesus did. And then He died for our sins and rose again, so that all who repent and believe the good news will gain entrance into paradise for eternity.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/20-questions-for-christians-supporting-same-sex-marriage-141109/#kZd12l4lSJO3oUuS.99


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on July 03, 2015, 08:07:24 am
40 Questions for Christians Now Waving Rainbow Flags

For evangelicals who lament last Friday’s Supreme Court decision, it’s been a hard few days. We aren’t asking for emotional pity, nor do I suspect many people are eager to give us any. Our pain is not sacred. Making legal and theological decisions based on what makes people feel better is part of what got us into this mess in the first place. Nevertheless, it still hurts.

There are many reasons for our lamentation, from fear that religious liberties will be taken away to worries about social ostracism and cultural marginalization. But of all the things that grieve us, perhaps what’s been most difficult is seeing some of our friends, some of our family members, and some of the folks we’ve sat next to in church giving their hearty “Amen” to a practice we still think is a sin and a decision we think is bad for our country. It’s one thing for the whole nation to throw a party we can’t in good conscience attend. It’s quite another to look around for friendly faces to remind us we’re not alone and then find that they are out there jamming on the dance floor. We thought the rainbow was God’s sign (Gen. 9:8-17).

If you consider yourself a Bible-believing Christian, a follower of Jesus whose chief aim is to glorify God and enjoy him forever, there are important questions I hope you will consider before picking up your flag and cheering on the sexual revolution. These questions aren’t meant to be snarky or merely rhetorical. They are sincere, if pointed, questions that I hope will cause my brothers and sisters with the new rainbow themed avatars to slow down and think about the flag you’re flying.

1. How long have you believed that gay marriage is something to be celebrated?

2. What Bible verses led you to change your mind?

3. How would you make a positive case from Scripture that sexual activity between two persons of the same sex is a blessing to be celebrated?

4. What verses would you use to show that a marriage between two persons of the same sex can adequately depict Christ and the church?

5. Do you think Jesus would have been okay with homosexual behavior between consenting adults in a committed relationship?

6. If so, why did he reassert the Genesis definition of marriage as being one man and one woman?

7. When Jesus spoke against porneia what sins do you think he was forbidding?

8. If some homosexual behavior is acceptable, how do you understand the sinful “exchange” Paul highlights in Romans 1?

9. Do you believe that passages like 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Revelation 21:8 teach that sexual immorality can keep you out of heaven?

10. What sexual sins do you think they were referring to?

11. As you think about the long history of the church and the near universal disapproval of same-sex sexual activity, what do you think you understand about the Bible that Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, and Luther failed to grasp?

12. What arguments would you use to explain to Christians in Africa, Asia, and South America that their understanding of homosexuality is biblically incorrect and your new understanding of homosexuality is not culturally conditioned?

13. Do you think Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were motivated by personal animus and bigotry when they, for almost all of their lives, defined marriage as a covenant relationship between one man and one woman?

14. Do you think children do best with a mother and a father?

15. If not, what research would you point to in support of that conclusion?

16. If yes, does the church or the state have any role to play in promoting or privileging the arrangement that puts children with a mom and a dad?

17. Does the end and purpose of marriage point to something more than an adult’s emotional and sexual fulfillment?

18. How would you define marriage?

19. Do you think close family members should be allowed to get married?

20. Should marriage be limited to only two people?

21. On what basis, if any, would you prevent consenting adults of any relation and of any number from getting married?

22. Should there be an age requirement in this country for obtaining a marriage license?

23. Does equality entail that anyone wanting to be married should be able to have any meaningful relationship defined as marriage?

24. If not, why not?

25. Should your brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with homosexual practice be allowed to exercise their religious beliefs without fear of punishment, retribution, or coercion?

26. Will you speak up for your fellow Christians when their jobs, their accreditation, their reputation, and their freedoms are threatened because of this issue?

27. Will you speak out against shaming and bullying of all kinds, whether against gays and lesbians or against Evangelicals and Catholics?

28. Since the evangelical church has often failed to take unbiblical divorces and other sexual sins seriously, what steps will you take to ensure that gay marriages are healthy and accord with Scriptural principles?

29. Should gay couples in open relationships be subject to church discipline?

30. Is it a sin for LGBT persons to engage in sexual activity outside of marriage?

31. What will open and affirming churches do to speak prophetically against divorce, fornication, pornography, and adultery wherever they are found?

32. If “love wins,” how would you define love?

33. What verses would you use to establish that definition?

34. How should obedience to God’s commands shape our understanding of love?

35. Do you believe it is possible to love someone and disagree with important decisions they make?

36. If supporting gay marriage is a change for you, has anything else changed in your understanding of faith?

37. As an evangelical, how has your support for gay marriage helped you become more passionate about traditional evangelical distinctives like a focus on being born again, the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ on the cross, the total trustworthiness of the Bible, and the urgent need to evangelize the lost?

38. What open and affirming churches would you point to where people are being converted to orthodox Christianity, sinners are being warned of judgment and called to repentance, and missionaries are being sent out to plant churches among unreached peoples?

39. Do you hope to be more committed to the church, more committed to Christ, and more committed to the Scriptures in the years ahead?

40. When Paul at the end of Romans 1 rebukes “those who practice such things” and those who “give approval to those who practice them,” what sins do you think he has in mind?

Food for thought, I hope. At the very least, something to chew on before swallowing everything the world and Facebook put on our plate.

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2015/07/01/40-questions-for-christians-now-waving-rainbow-flags/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 03, 2015, 09:01:43 am
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14. Can a person be forgiven even while deliberately persisting in sinful behavior? (see Hebrews 10:26,27)

15. Is homosexual behavior a sin in God's eyes as recorded in both the Old Testament and the New Testament?

16. Does God determine what is sinful based upon public opinion polls?

17. Is it ever right to look down on someone with a self-righteous attitude?

18. Was it unloving for Jesus to tell the woman caught in adultery, "Neither do I condemn you. Go now and leave your life of sin." (see John 8:11)

FYI - there's a heretical movement going on now called "Easy Believism", that is really being pushed now. Yes, that includes professing KJB ministries on Youtube et al.

They insist how sanctification/growth are just merely "optional" for the believer.

Pt being that don't be surprised if in the near future, these same "ministries" come out and support the idea that Christians can be sodomites.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump...


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 07, 2015, 01:26:02 am
FWIW - it's all and good that these modern-day evangelicals defend pro-life and anti-sodomy through and through - but at the same time, notice how they almost never quoted the Genesis account - man is created in God's image, and marriage is b/w a man and a woman as clearly stated in the first 2 chapters of Genesis.

Pt being that the reason why modern-day christianity has gotten so bad now, is b/c they allowed the Trojan Horse of many different flavors of evolution to creep in(day age, gap, theistic, progressive, etc) - which all but destroyed the foundations.

It's all and good that they preach the cross of Christ - but ultimately, the Creation/Genesis account is THE backbone of the gospel, period. IOW, if the earth is millions of years old, then sin by one man didn't come into the world, and if sin by one man didn't come into the world, then it wasn't necessary for Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. And for that matter too, Noah's flood would have been local(at best). Ultimately, the whole bible ended up getting discredited b/c of this very first initial lie on the Genesis account.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 07, 2015, 09:46:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE17DXQ4BDM


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 08, 2015, 11:29:11 pm
Personally, I will humbly admit that I get tempted to watch and keep up with sports, but I shouldn't b/c the whole thing is nothing more than idolatry.

With that being said - was listening to a pastor's sermon tonight over the dangers of liquor, and didn't realize it has THAT great of detrimental effects on people. No, it's not like we can do it "moderately", or even "a little".

Pt I'm trying to make here is that I was reminded tonight how the sports and entertainment industry promotes alcohol heavily. And now the sports industry will end up pushing the sodomy agenda(ie-the NFL's Detroit Lions recently promoted a big gay pride event).

There is going to come a time soon where we're really going to have to separate ourselves from a lot of the things of this world, b/c of all of the abominations they are pushing hard.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 13, 2015, 11:03:38 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/us-evangelicals-ponder-role-now-gay-marriage-law-024937140.html
7/13/15
US Evangelicals ponder their role, now that gay marriage is law of the land

Following the US Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, Evangelicals have been by turns conciliatory, confident, and troubled. Here is how their debates on the subject are evolving.


Like many here in the South, Hilda Wells, a Southern Baptist, takes the Bible at its word.

Given that gay marriage is now the law of the land, Ms. Wells, a Stone Mountain, Ga., businesswoman, admits to a twinge of concern: What she sees as a biblical sin – homosexuality – is now protected as a constitutional right by a landmark US Supreme Court decision.

But at the same time, her love of Scripture isn’t so strong that she can’t see the dignity and desires of fellow citizens with different sexual orientations.

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“For one, I don’t think gay people are going to burn in hell,” says Wells matter-of-factly in her downtown antique store. “In fact, we have a lot of gay friends and customers, and we love them. The way they live their life is none of my business. I just happen to believe that’s it’s none of the Supreme Court’s business, either.”

Wells is one of millions of Christians on the front lines of an evangelical experience that has emphasized marriage as being a union, under God, between a man and a woman. Now, many of these individuals are pondering how to live in an age in which marriage has taken on another legal definition.

For decades now, Evangelicals have had an outsized influence on national politics, wielding considerable conservative power. But the landmark Supreme Court ruling hints at an uncertain future for conservative Christians. And it comes as religious critiques of gay marriage are being condemned more broadly as bigoted.

Given such shifts in fortune, some have called for a Christian retreat from US culture, into communities where they can “keep the light of faith burning through the surrounding cultural darkness,” as author Rod Dreher wrote recently in Time.

But for Wells and many other Evangelicals, retreat is not just impractical, but unnecessary. In their view, the aftermath of the Supreme Court ruling provides opportunity for humility, renewed faith, and outreach, even as US churches prepare for new legal and political battles over the extent to which the First Amendment provides “religious liberty” on matters of employment, for example.

“There’s a movement going on here of [Evangelicals] who are looking at the times we live in and who want to answer the question that Paul answered at Mars Hill, which is, ‘How do I reach the people where I live with the love and Gospel of Jesus?’ ” says Michael Wear, a former director of faith outreach for the Obama White House, who remains in frequent contact with hundreds of evangelical pastors across the United States.

He adds: “Now that the [court] decision has been made, how do we move forward while also making sure that we understand we have to be part of this American family?”

In the majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy avoided labeling anti-gay-marriage views as bigoted. “t must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned.”

Yet to some church critics like Barry Lynn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the rapid cultural changes and landmark court decision mean that “love and the Constitution triumphed over bigotry and religious extremism.”

Such commentary, to be sure, is part schadenfreude, given the influence that Evangelicals had for decades on suppressing gay rights nationally. But for Christians, the potential mainstreaming of views like this marks what Brandan Robertson, a gay evangelical activist in Washington, D.C., calls “the beginning of a period of persecution and tribulation" for Christians.

Indeed, following the Supreme Court ruling, many Christians have already been feeling a keen sense of tribulation.

“I think that’s the next frontier: Are people who have deeply held opinions [about marriage] going to be called bigots and treated like the man who wouldn’t give up his seat for Rosa Parks?” says John, an Episcopalian who lives in a liberal Atlanta neighborhood.

To an extent, he answers his own question by asking that his last name not be used: He's concerned that his beliefs could now get him fired from his public-sector job.

“My hope, going forward, is, you all can do what you want, the libertarian part of me says that’s fine,” John says. “But on the other hand, I want my opinion to be protected and respected by the government. What happens if my child is in school and is taught that her parents are bigoted or somehow wrong?”

Such fears are at the root of looming political and cultural battles that could define the aftermath of the court’s ruling.

“I can see [scriptural opposition to gay rights] being used as a wedge [by liberals], and it could make Evangelicals feel more embattled than they are, and it could validate those on the far right who warned about how apocalyptic this would be,” says Mr. Wear, the former Obama faith outreach director.

The response from evangelical leaders, meanwhile, has been largely conciliatory and confident, focused more on matters of law than on doctrine.

“We don’t want people to be afraid” of the gay marriage decision “because, as Christians, God has given us not the spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind, to act responsibly about how we think about and how we respond to these things,” says the Rev. Michael Griffin, senior pastor at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga., and a spokesman for the Georgia Baptist Convention.

Although the Southern Baptist Convention in the past severed ties to pastors who have sided with gay rights, one of the organization’s responses to the same-sex ruling was to embrace LGBT Americans, without condoning their sexual behavior.

“I think we’re going to see ... refugees from the sexual revolution, and our doors need to be open and we need to welcome people no matter what their sexual orientation or no matter what their lifestyle is, into the church, and into the love and grace of the Lord Jesus,” says Mr. Griffin. “We want our churches open to people who are looking for answers.”

In recent years, a number of mainline churches have begun to make major concessions to gay rights, as polls suggest nearly half of all religious Americans see no conflicts between LGBT rights and their faith.

Those concessions, Wear says, come as Christian leaders are increasingly considering the costs of the 40-year span of evangelical political partisanship, which took place as the number of religiously unaffiliated Americans rose. According to the 2007 book "unChristian," young non-Christians overwhelmingly see Christians as anti-gay, judgmental, hypocritical, sheltered, and too political.

Addressing such concerns, Southern Baptists last year disavowed controversial “ex-gay” therapy. The United Methodist Church, while still officially opposing same-sex marriage, has seen bishops refusing to discipline clergy who decide to marry people of the same gender. And the Mormon Church has endorsed laws that support LGBT rights, while pushing for exemptions to such regulations for its own congregants.

Earlier this year, the Presbyterian Church (USA) formally allowed same-sex couples to marry in its churches, and earlier this month, the Episcopal Church did the same.

Yet for Wells, the Stone Mountain store owner, the Supreme Court decision has been in some ways anticlimactic. That’s because of a practical reality: At the end of the day, she says, “This decision doesn’t really impact me.”

Looking at the legal landscape, Robert Schapiro, dean of Emory University School of Law in Atlanta and author of “Polyphonic Federalism: Toward the Protection of Fundamental Rights,” has a similar thought as he ponders how the debate may evolve.

“Yes, the same-sex marriage decision has the potential to expand tensions,” says Professor Schapiro. But, “I think some of the concerns expressed will turn out not to be serious issues over time, as it becomes clear that no church or synagogue is going to be required to allow same-sex marriage, nor will any pastor or minister be required to perform them.”

Mr. Robertson, the evangelical activist, is director of The RISE Network, which he says gives him a front-row seat into the evolving debates among the leaders of evangelical America. At times, he himself has felt like a pariah, especially when a religious publishing house refused to publish his book after concerns were raised about a reference to a gay parishioner.

“That’s where the hope lies, at least for me, is sitting in a room with prominent Southern Baptist pastors and realizing that we both think youth homelessness, for example, is a problem that we can move forward to address,” he says. “This period of history gives us a chance to rediscover our common ground and realize that political issues, even though heated, don’t break the bond of the spirit that unites us.”



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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 17, 2015, 12:17:13 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-baylor-university-drops-homosexual-acts-misconduct-code-223103015.html;_ylt=AwrC1CkLN6lV_T0AE5zQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
Conservative Baylor University drops 'homosexual acts' from misconduct code
7/7/15

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - The world's largest Baptist university, Baylor, has dropped language in its sexual misconduct policy that punished those who engaged in homosexual acts, a change the socially conservative school said better reflects its values as "a caring community."

Baylor, in the central Texas city of Waco, had been one of a handful of religious U.S. colleges and universities that allowed for the dismissal of students, and sometimes staff, for homosexuality.

Baylor has removed "homosexual acts" as a punishable offense in its sexual misconduct policy, an official said on Tuesday. The policy also mandated disciplinary action for sexual assault, incest, adultery and fornication.

"These changes were made because we didn't believe the language reflected the university’s caring community,” Baylor spokeswoman Lori Fogleman wrote in an email.

Dozens of colleges have provisions that are seen as discriminatory against the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, ranging from housing bias to blocking the formation of LGBT student groups, gay rights advocates said.

The new policy endorsed by the university's board in May states, "Baylor will be guided by the biblical understanding that human sexuality is a gift from God and that physical sexual intimacy is to be expressed in the context of marital fidelity."

The university, which has about 14,000 undergraduates, did not say if it would allow married same-sex couples among its ranks after the U.S. Supreme Court last month ruled that gay marriage is legal in all 50 states.

"You can’t continue to have a college that is seen as hateful, that is seen as discriminatory toward gay people, regardless of whether that college be Christian or otherwise," said Shane Windmeyer, the executive director of Campus Pride, which promotes LGBT life at universities.

One of the better-known Baylor graduates, basketball player Brittney Griner, is also one of the best known U.S. lesbian athletes. In her autobiography she speaks of the frustration of masking her sexuality while attending the school from 2009 to 2013.

"They are more than happy to benefit from the success of their gay athletes. That is, as long as those gay athletes don’t talk about being gay," she wrote in her autobiography "In My Skin: My Life on and Off the Basketball Court."


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 11, 2015, 06:00:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyKID_fMrLo


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on August 15, 2015, 06:21:04 pm
South Carolina Baptist Church Allows Gay and Transgender Ministers

 A church formerly associated with the Southern Baptist Convention has decided to fully welcome gay and transgender individuals, even allowing them to be ordained in the church.
 
First Baptist of Greenville, South Carolina was formerly part of the Southern Baptist Convention, but has since given up its conservative roots to join the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.
 
The church’s pastor, Jim Dant, stated that the church went through a six-month trial period in which it explored the possibility of ordaining gay and transgender individuals, and after that time, asked its members to affirm the decision to make people of all sexual orientations and lifestyles eligible for a leadership role.
 
"What I heard was, 'We need to do the right thing, regardless of what anybody thinks or says about us,” Dant told Greenville Online.
 
Dant added that some congregants expressed concern over what the community would think of the decision, but overall, people were positive.
 
"Thank you FBC Greenville. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8," one commenter wrote, according to Charisma News.
 
The Southern Baptist Convention, of which First Baptist of Greenville used to be a part, is saddened over the church’s decision.
 
President of the Convention Ronnie Floyd stated "We pray that this church will one day return to be biblically driven in their belief about marriage and family, rather than culturally driven as they have testified in the reported story."
 
http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/south-carolina-baptist-church-allows-gay-and-transgender-ministers.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 16, 2015, 11:00:26 pm
I don't know when this sermon was given, but this guy died in 1982. This is an excellent one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCTrUukHfZ8


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Post by: Mark on August 30, 2015, 06:41:36 am
Texas Man Proposes to Another Man in ‘Church’ Despite United Methodist Ban on Same-Sex ‘Marriage’

 A Texas man recently proposed to his so-called boyfriend during the Sunday morning service at their “church” despite the United Methodist Church’s ban on same-sex “marriage.”

Trevor Harper, 36, recently posted a video of the event on YouTube to show that his congregation is accepting and approving of homosexuals.

Harper has been in a relationship with Davis Covin, 30, since 2006, and both have been attending the First United Methodist Church of Austin for the past two years.

Recently, both men were invited to share their “faith story” during the Sunday service, during which time Harper told those gathered that he was appreciative of the congregation’s approval of homosexual relationships.

At the end of his speech, Harper reached out for Covin’s arm and led him in front of the pulpit, as he dropped to one knee in a proposal. Many in the congregation then gave the two men a standing ovation and smiled as they hugged—including First United Methodist Church of Austin leader John Wright.

Wright had met with Harper prior to the service, and Harper said that Wright helped him plan the proposal.

“That church has been for us really the first time we have really been able to live out loud as a couple,” he told BuzzFeed.

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Wright gave each of the men a hug before they left the stage.

Harper says that the two planned the proposal since the United Methodist denomination bans same-sex “weddings” and the two knew that they would not be permitted to tie the knot in the sanctuary.

The United Methodist Book of Discipline outlines that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” may not be ordained as ministers in the denomination. It also forbids ministers from hosting or participating in “ceremonies that celebrate homosexual unions.”

“Your lifestyle, your sexuality, your choices, who you love —they don’t define your right to search out the faith that makes you feel whole,” Harper told reporters. “You cant let your sexuality define your right to walk a spiritual walk.”

While a panel within the leadership of the United Methodist Church voted in May to submit a proposal to change the denomination’s law book to remove prohibitions against homosexual behavior and to allow clergy to officiate same-sex ceremonies, some both within and without of the denomination still oppose the accommodation.

In an article entitled “Why Many Methodists Still Oppose Same-Sex Marriage,” John Lemperis, the Director of the UM Action program of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, said that the Bible is crystal clear on the matter.

“Even liberal Biblical scholars now agree that the Old and New Testaments are very clear in their moral disapproval of homosexual practice,” he wrote. “More fundamentally, Scripture paints a beautiful picture of marriage as a holy covenant of intensely intimate, self-giving community between man and woman, uniting the two most basic, equal categories of humanity.”

“We submit to Jesus as Lord,” Lemperis stated. “If He is truly Lord, then no area of our lives can be off-limits to Him. Jesus spoke strongly about the centrality of self-denial in following Him, which often means dramatic personal sacrifices, including not acting on powerful desires for things outside of God’s best for us. … Jesus and new life in Him are more than worth it.”

http://christiannews.net/2015/08/29/texas-man-proposes-to-another-man-in-church-despite-united-methodist-ban-on-same-sex-marriage/


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Post by: Mark on September 15, 2015, 05:07:33 am
Kenya Expels Priests Accused of Practicing Homosexuality

 In an unprecedented move, the Anglican Church in Kenya on Sept. 10 expelled five priests for allegedly engaging in homosexual activity.
 
The priests, from the diocese of Mt. Kenya West in Central Kenya, were under investigation since mid-August. They were serving in the towns of Othaya, Karatina, Murang’a and Nyeri towns.
 
“That is the stand of the church … they have to be out of the ministry,” said the bishop under whom the priests served.
 
The five had earlier been suspended to allow a tribunal to probe the allegations made against them. Four of the priests are married while one is single. They are said to have had relations with other adult men for as long as 20 years.
 
The identity of the priests has so far not been made public.
 
“To address the question that many may have on the identity of the persons involved, we are compelled to conceal their identity … it is wrong in the church and in the entire public,” Bishop Joseph Kagunda said.
 
He announced the tribunal formed to investigate the conduct of the priests had established some of the accused had been having sexual relations with fellow priests and members of their congregations for a long time.
 
Kagunda said the church would withdraw the priests’ licenses but would not report the cases to the police, in spite of homosexuality being illegal in Kenya. He said it was up to the aggrieved parties to decide whether to report the cases to the police or not.
 
“What we have done in the church is to withdraw their licenses … .we cannot say whether it is temporary or not because they have the right to appeal,” Kagunda added.
 
Just last Sunday, the Mt. Kenya West diocese suspended another priest for allegedly practicing homosexuality. A tribunal will investigate the allegations made against him.
 
The priest served in several parishes in Mt Kenya diocese and was alleged to have enticed four young men into homosexuality. It is said the young men used to spend many nights at his house.
The priest is said to have requested the young men to visit him for spiritual guidance but he ended up seducing them and forcing them into homosexuality. He pleaded with the young men not to tell anyone.
 
The letter suspending the priest was read out to the congregation during Sunday service at St. Peters Cathedral in Nyeri. The victims reported the priest told them homosexuality is not a sin and they should not be ashamed of it.
 
The bishop said if the claims against that priest were found to be true, he would be discharged from his responsibilities in the church.
 
The issue of homosexuality among clergy is a thorny issue in the worldwide Anglican Church, and it has caused a schism between the churches in the West and those in Africa and the rest of the world. Some conservative Episcopal congregations in the United States have withdrawn from the U.S. denomination over its acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage. They put themselves under the African Anglican church’s authority because of its adherence to biblical teachings.
 
Mt. Kenya West diocese is one of the 34 dioceses of the Anglican Church of Kenya led by Archbishop Eliud Wabukala, who also is the current chairman of the Global Anglican Future Conference (GAFCON), a fellowship of Anglicans who adhere to orthodox biblical teachings and uphold the inerrancy of Scripture.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/news/anglican-church-in-kenya-expels-priests-accused-of-practicing-homosexuality.html


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Post by: Mark on September 15, 2015, 05:11:01 am
Canadian Bus Driver Fired for Refusing to Drive Gay Pride Bus

 A Canadian bus driver claims he was fired for refusing to drive a rainbow bus that promoted a gay pride event in Calgary. Jesse Rau says driving the bus that promoted homosexuality would have been against his religious beliefs.
 
The driver said that he knew he was risking losing his job by refusing to drive the bus.
 
"I expected that my job was totally on the line. The fact that they fired me, it's hurtful, but… I knew that was on the table,” Rau said.
 
The city of Calgary argues that Rau was not fired for his refusal, but for violating the city’s media relations policy.
 
Rau’s termination letter read, "To be clear you are entitled to your religious beliefs and to express them freely. However, you went beyond that and made false and misleading comments during various media interviews, which resulted in undue controversy and put the reputation of the city at risk."
 
Transit Director Doug Morgan said, "What we want to do is make sure when statements are made publicly that they reflect truthfulness in the corporation and the values put forward by the city of Calgary and council.”
 
According to The Christian Post, the Calgary transit department will now ask drivers if they want to drive the rainbow bus.
 
Rau said, “That’s awesome. That’s how it should have been in the first place.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/canadian-bus-driver-fired-for-refusing-to-drive-gay-pride-bus.html


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 07, 2015, 09:13:30 am
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/October06/061.html
10/5/15
Lesbian bishop: 'Remove crosses from church'

The world's first lesbian bishop of a mainstream Christian denomination has put forth a call for one of the country's seaport churches to remove its crosses as to make it less offensive to Muslims.

Bishop Eva Brunne of the Lutheran Church of Sweden has proposed to remove the Christian symbols of the Seamen's Church in Freeport to make it more inviting for visiting sailors from other religions, according to a report by SVT.se, a Stockholm-based news outlet.

Her plan calls for removing crosses and other Christian symbols while setting up a prayer room inside the church that marks the direction of Mecca. The idea is to have rooms within the church that cater to people of other religions, thereby accommodating Muslim visitors. It would also make the church less offensive to the tens of thousands of Muslim refugees entering Sweden from the Middle East and North Africa as refugees.

"Making a room available for people of other faiths does not mean that we are not defenders of our own faith. Priests are called to proclaim Christ. We do that every day and in every meeting with people," according to Brunne. "But that does not mean that we are stingy toward people of other faiths."

Sweden has "surrendered without so much as firing a shot," said Pamela Geller author of "Stop the Islamization of America."

"Sweden has lost it," Geller told WND. "It is sacrificing its own heritage to accommodate immigrants who will not be as accommodating to native non-Muslim Swedes. The bishop is paving the way for the Islamization of Sweden."

The Church of Sweden is the largest Christian church in Sweden and the largest Lutheran denomination in the world. The primate of the Church of Sweden is Archbishop Antje Jackelén - Sweden's first female archbishop.

Robert Spencer, an Islam expert and blogger at Jihad Watch, said "this is what a society and culture in the midst of suicide looks like."

"How wonderful and generous and ecumenical and multicultural this is," Spencer wrote.

Spencer suggested that imams in Stockholm and across Europe are likely laughing at the ease with which Christians there are willing to surrender to Islam.

"Watch for mosques everywhere to remove their mihrabs and install crosses so that Christians will feel comfortable praying there," Spencer said with biting sarcasm.


Of course not all Swedes are happy about the bishop's plan.

Patrik Pettersson, priest of the Oscars parish in Stockholm, writes on his blog:

"The church chapel can not reasonably be equated with prayer rooms at airports and hospital chapels anyway. The Christian churches and chapels are not public areas at any time."

Seamen's Mission Director Kiki Wetterberg also does not agree with the bishop.

"I have no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors coming here and praying. But I believe that we are a Christian church, so we keep the symbols. If I visit a mosque, I do not ask them to take down their symbols. It's my choice to go in there," she wrote to the newspaper Dagen.

"If you think this story sounds too bizarre to be true, then you haven't acquainted yourself with the progressive ‘utopia' that is Sweden," writes Paul Joseph Watson, a U.K.-based writer. "This is a country in which some politicians have called for giving free housing, jobs and welfare to returning ISIS jihadists – all at taxpayer expense."

Sweden is also a country that hires ISIS-sympathizers to run its immigration boards, Watson noted. And the country's taxpayer-funded "expert" on Islamophobia, Michael Nikolai Skråmo, also went on to join ISIS.

Geert Wilders, head of the Dutch Party of Freedom, is one politician who isn't being into the E.U.'s multi-cultural utopia.

Wilders has been calling for years for a more aggressive counter jihadist program. His party is now the fourth largest in the Dutch Parliament and continuing to gain strength.

"All the politicians are, I have to say, ignoring the problem, they are fooling their constituents, (about Islam), even your own President, Mr. Obama," Wilders told Jamie Glazov in a recent interview.

Wilders said Western politicians and diplomats such as John Kerry are mischaracterizing the Islamic State, ISIS, as "not Islamic" and has "hijacked" one of the world's great religions.

"I have to tell you, it's all lies," Wilders said. "The problem we face today in our free Western society is we have imported millions of people form Islamic countries with a background, a culture, an ideology of hate, a totalitarian ideology."

Wilders said in order to stop the Islamization of Western cultures, the nations of the West must stop Islamic immigration, which has lead to a steady erosion and degradation of every Christian country where it has been tried. Lebanon, for instance, was majority Christian until rampant Islamic immigration turned the demographics in the 1960s and 70s. Jihad attacks began in the mid-1970s and it has been unsafe ever since for Christians to practice their religion outside of their homes.

What was once the "Paris of the Middle East," Beirut, became a Third World conflict zone. Europe, short of a 190-degree turn in policy, is now on the same path, Wilders said.

"I believe if we don't want to see in our own countries happening what we see today in Iraq and Syria we should fight against the Islamization of our own free society, which means we should stop the Islamization of our society, that we should stop the immigration from Islamic countries, we should expel all the people that have even the slightest sympathy for the Islamic State," Wilders told Glazov. "We should encourage the voluntary repatriation of people from Islamic countries. We should de-Islamatize our societies in order to stay free. We should not only fight the Islamic State over there but we should fight the Islamic monster in our own free societies."


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 12, 2015, 08:01:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKCz4OjPYg


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 24, 2015, 12:23:54 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/conservatives-prevail-gay-issues-vatican-synod-143859406.html
10/24/15
Conservatives prevail on gay issues at Vatican synod

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Roman Catholic bishops have agreed after three weeks of closed-door debate at the Vatican to soften their line towards divorced couples, a leading participant said, but not to relax the Church's strict doctrine on homosexuality.

The outcome of the gathering, known as a synod and presided over by Pope Francis, appeared to mark a victory for conservatives and a failure for reformers who had hoped for more inclusive language towards gays.

The final document from the meeting was due to be released later on Saturday.

"It is a document of consensus. You will not find much about homosexuality in this document. Some people will be disappointed," Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna told a news conference

He said the document spoke of homosexuals only in the context of families that have a gay member and how to "manage this situation as Christians ... that is all that has remained about homosexuality".

On the other hand, he said, it would offer hope for the full re-integration into the Church of some divorced and remarried couples.

His comments indicated that the assembly had decided to avoid controversial language in order to avoid deadlock on the most sensitive topics, leaving it up to the pope to deal with them in a future document.

"TOO DELICATE"

During the synod, some bishops said the 1.2 billion-member Church should use introduce welcoming and inclusive language regarding homosexuals.

But Schoenborn said many of the 270 bishops felt homosexuality was still "too delicate a theme" in their countries. During the meeting, African bishops were particularly adamant in their opposition to welcoming language regarding homosexuals, saying it would only confuse the faithful.

"This does not mean that it is not an important topic for the Church in Europe and North America, but on a universal level, you have to respect political and cultural situations," he said.

At a preliminary meeting a year ago, conservative clerics made sure an interim report deleted a passage they thought was too welcoming to gays.

Schoenborn, who is a progressive, said the synod document would effectively re-state Church teaching that while homosexual tendencies are not sinful, homosexual acts are.

"The doctrine is clear," Schoenborn said. "And there is no need to repeat it."

Another contentious topic discussed at the synod was how to minister to the large number of Catholics with failed first marriages who have divorced and remarried in civil ceremonies.

Under current Church doctrine they cannot receive communion unless they abstain from sex with their new partner because their first marriage is still valid in the eyes of the church and they are seen to be living in an adulterous state of sin.

Some bishops said that the doctrine could be modified so that priests or bishops could give individual Catholics permission to receive communion after personal spiritual counseling.

Schoenborn suggested that the final document would offer some opening to such couples on a case-by-case basis.

"It gives the fundamental criteria for the discernment of situations. This is the most important point. Seeking a yes or no answer is a false question because various situations are so different," he said.

This appeared to be a qualified victory for progressives. Conservatives said there should be no change in church doctrine because it would violate Jesus' teaching that marriage is indissoluble.

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Isaiah 65:11  But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
Isa 65:12  Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Isa 65:13  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
Isa 65:14  Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.




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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 26, 2015, 12:18:50 am
Audio Inside Link: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=102515041484
Refuting Matthew Vines' Book: God and the Gay Christian
Series:  STBC Radio  · 35 of 35
10/25/2015 (SUN)


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Post by: Mark on October 27, 2015, 10:35:09 pm
Massachusetts ‘United Church of Christ’ Hosts Blasphemous ‘Drag Gospel Festival’

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A United Church of Christ congregation in Massachusetts recently hosted what it called a “Drag Gospel Festival” in support of the homosexual and transgender members in its assembly.
The First Church of Somerville (FCS) hosted the event October 16-18 both during its Friday night drag show and Sunday morning worship service.

“God is good all the time! That means God is a diva, and girl, Jesus is fierce!” wrote Serenity Jones, the congregation’s “drag queen in residence” on the FCS website.

“What do drag queens or drag kings have to do with Jesus or the gospel?” he asked. “We at FCS believe ‘God don’t make no junk.’ So whether you are straight, gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgendered or still playing hard to get, Jesus loves you and so do we! Amen baby! So come and get yours at this here church!”

According to The Huntington News, an estimated 100 people attended the Friday night event, which doubled as a fundraiser for the LGBT Asylum Support Task Force.
“There is a great drag tradition with music,” congregation member Marlin Collingwood told the publication. “But gospel music has been the root for drag.”
Men dressed as women, complete with wigs and makeup, sang gospel songs for those gathered—whether live or lip synching to the music.

On Sunday, Associated Pastor Jeff Mansfield arrived for the morning service wearing lipstick, blush and eye shadow, and leader Molly Baskette drew a mustache on her face with a marker. According to reports, some members of the choir wore drag as well.

Over 250 people attended the service, including one man who walked to the front of the room upset about the event flyer, which featured a graphic of Jesus wearing makeup and earrings.

“You paint up Jesus Christ like a prostitute,” he declared.

The service included secular music as well, such as that performed by Lady Gaga, and concluded with a fellowship meal.

This month’s drag show was the fifth year that FCS has hosted the event.

As previously reported, the United Church of Christ, which is outside of biblical orthodoxy and was the first American religious group to ordain homosexuals and affirm abortion, made headlines last year when it filed a legal challenge against North Carolina’s same-sex “marriage” ban, asserting that it violates the free exercise of religion among clergy.

“It boils down to a view on the authority of Scripture,” Clint Pressley of Hickory Grove Baptist Church told the Charlotte Observer about the suit. “The denominations listed have abandoned almost 2,000 years of Christian Orthodoxy. It’s not surprising.”

http://christiannews.net/2015/10/27/massachusetts-united-church-of-christ-hosts-blasphemous-drag-gospel-festival/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 04, 2015, 11:03:50 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/11/04/the-christian-evolution-on-homosexuality-in-1-chart/
The Christian evolution on homosexuality, in one chart
11/4/15

A lot can change in just a few years.

Just days into 2007, Ban Ki-moon took the helm at the United Nations and Apple founder Steve Jobs announced a new product called the iPhone. Later that year, the Pew Research Center conducted its first Religious Landscape Study — a battery of questions posed to tens of thousands of Americans to better understand the nation’s religious life.

At the time, the results no doubt confirmed what some might have expected: A minority of Christians believed that society should accept homosexuality. A year later, California — that beacon of left coast liberalism — famously passed Proposition 8, enshrining in the state constitution a definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.

But something changed since then. A series of legal challenges slowly secured more and more rights for gay Americans, granting them the right to marry and protecting them from discrimination.

Attitudes began to shift, too, according to the latest version of that Pew study, published Tuesday.

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The chart above, embedded in Pew’s update on that extensive survey, shows just how much most Christian Americans have changed when it comes to their attitudes toward their gay peers.

Orthodox Christians saw the biggest shift, with support rising 14 percentage points in just seven years. Catholics, Mormons and historically black Protestants were close behind, each seeing support for broad societal acceptance of homosexuality rise by 12 points.

Millennials are, in part, responsible for driving that shift, the authors of the Pew report find.

“Changing attitudes about homosexuality are linked to the same generational forces helping to reshape religious identity and practice in the United States, with millennials expressing far more acceptance of homosexuality than older adults do,” they write.

But not all social issues saw such dramatic change, the study found. Americans have shifted little in their attitudes toward abortion.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 12, 2015, 06:54:31 pm
Vatican meets with US State Dpt's Gay and Lesbian Envoy
http://time.com/4108973/vatican-meets-with-u-s-state-departments-gay-and-lesbian-envoy/

Again, having a hard time copying and pasting the article.




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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 13, 2015, 02:20:05 pm
Church Under Fire for ‘Misunderstood’ Sign About Jesus’s ‘2 Dads’
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/church-under-fire-for-misunderstood-sign-about-191546635.html
11/12/15

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The St. Columba-Brigid Roman Catholic Church in Buffalo, N.Y., changes its movable-letter sign every two weeks. But the Rev. Roy Herberger’s latest message — “Jesus had 2 dads and he turned out just fine” — didn’t last nearly that long.

“As soon as I learned of this sign, I took immediate action to have it removed,” Bishop Richard J. Malone of the Catholic Diocese of Buffalo said in a statement shared with Yahoo Parenting about the message put up last week.

Malone instructed Herberger to remove the lettering on Tuesday following “phone calls from around the world, from callers protesting the contents of the sign,” a diocese spokesperson told the Buffalo News. “The pastor of SS Columba-Brigid Church told me that the “2 Dads” were meant to refer to a child who has both a father and stepfather,” Malone wrote in his statement. “There are several children in his parish who have both a father and stepfather. However, given the potential for the meaning of this message to be misunderstood and even perceived in a heretical way, it was immediately removed.”

STORY: ‘I Wanted to Be a Good Father’: Gay Dad’s Sacrifices to Raise Twin Daughters

Herberger tells Yahoo Parenting that now he “can see why people are upset,” but when he put up the phrase he had no intention of making a statement about supporting same-sex marriage in contradiction of the Catholic Church’s teachings. (In fact, the 73-year-old told the Buffalo News that he’d gotten the phrase from the Internet a few months ago when he searched for “funny church signs.”)

“I only had one purpose,” the pastor explains to Yahoo Parenting. “After 48 years in the church, I see so many kids with stepparents, or even in single-family homes or being raised by grandparents, who feel that they’re not as good as other kids who have a nuclear mother-and-father family. I’ve seen what that does sometimes when they’re comparing themselves to that nuclear family and I wanted to say, ‘Hang in there. You’re good. Things will work out for you.’ I wanted to provide support and understanding for kids in that situation.”

The church leader adds, “I’m not trying to cause problems. I had no trouble taking the sign down.” But many commenters on St. Columba-Brigid’s website still don’t approve of, or accept, Herberger’s explanation. The majority of its 80 messages are critical of the pastor for his actions. “Shame on you,” blast a few writers, while others label Herberger a “disgrace,” call for his resignation, and insist that he did “damage to the Catholic Church,” making an “outrageous mockery of the Catholic faith.”

Catholic Family News even weighed in after posting a story Monday sharing an image of the sign: “With respect, it seems hard to imagine anyone in our time not being aware of what the '2 dads’ term can imply,” reads an update to the original post added on Wednesday, “especially since the pro-homosexual book Heather Has 2 Mommies has been around since 1989.”

Herberger acknowledges that he’s liberal and “that’s caused problems with superconservative traditional people over the years,” he tells Yahoo Parenting. But he still insists that his ‘2 dads’ sign — and his sermons at St. Columba-Brigid (which proclaims on its website that “our doors are wide open to people from all backgrounds”) — aren’t about agitation. “They are a challenge to be more open to the teachings of Christ … his openness, his acceptance, his love,” the pastor says. “That sometimes gets covered over by church traditions, rules, and regulations.”

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Post by: Mark on November 13, 2015, 07:58:32 pm
‘Losing My Religion:’ Gospel Singer Kirk Franklin Apologizes for ‘Homophobia’ in Church

Grammy Award-winning gospel artist Kirk Franklin told reporters this week that he “apologizes” for “homophobia” in the Church, stating that Christians have turned the Bible into “a homophobic manual.”

“I want to apologize for all of the hurtful and painful things that have been said about people in the Church that have been talented and gifted and musical, that we’ve used and we’ve embarrassed them and made sermons—‘Adam and Steve,’ and all this other horrible crap that we’ve done,” Franklin told The Grio. “We have not treated them like people, human beings. We’re talking about human beings, men and women that God has created as people.”

He acknowledged that the Bible does count homosexuality as a sin along with fornication and adultery, but said that the Scriptures also talk about grace.

“That’s what the Bible talks about,” Franklin admitted. “And you know what else the Bible talks about along with that? It talks about grace. It talks about love. It talks about mercy, because we are all in need of that.”

“The Bible is not a book that’s an attack on gay people,” he continued. “It’s not a book written to attack gay people.”

“It feels that way sometimes,” interviewer Chris Witherspoon remarked.

“I agree with you,” Franklin replied. “It’s horrible.”

The gospel singer, known for his songs “Stomp” and “Lean on Me,” told the outlet that he wants people to understand that God is about love and grace.

“It is horrible that we have made it where the Bible is a homophobic manual,” Franklin said. “That’s not what the Bible is. I mean you want to talk about things that God gets at: pride and jealousy and envy and haughtiness and arrogance. But what we also see is God sending His Son to save us all, because we were all—straight, gay or whatever—lost and in need of a Savior, and there’s room at the cross for all of us.”

Franklin says that the title of his new album, his first in five years, is meant to relay that he thinks the love of God should be preached over the fear of God.

“I want people to see the love of God and not the fear of God,” he explained to Pix11. “I want people to be able to experience how much God loves us as His kids. And most people will never have that view of God if we keep putting the rules in front of them instead of the relationship.”

“In the beginning religion, created a mask/For generations, church was where we went to go hide/Rules without relationship is empty inside,” Franklin also posted on Instagram, presumably quoting the lyrics from his album, which released today. “There’s room at the cross for everyone, even me/Religion is a prison, but truth sets us free.”

Reaction to Franklin’s comments has been mixed.

“Amen, Kirk. It always blows my mind how people can profess faith and the love of Christ with one side of their face, while preaching hatred and bigotry against a segment of God’s children with the other side,” wrote commenter Dawn Givens under the Grio article.

“He [expletive] called the Bible ‘God’s love letter’ and then later says that he can’t change what the Bible says about homosexuals. But then in some other way implicitly admits that people have used the Bible in their preachments against homosexuals,” commenter named Danielle Black wrote, expressing confusion. “Which one is it? Is it a ‘love letter’ or not?”

“First of all, remember that Kirk Franklin does not speak for the entire African-American Christian community, therefore he cannot issue an apology for them,” commenter Billy Boyd wrote, disagreeing with Franklin. “Because someone chooses to stand on biblical truth does not make them homophobic. To the contrary, they do not fear homosexuals, but most love them [yet] hate the sin.”

http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 13, 2015, 09:09:51 pm
Kirk Franklin likely has an antichrist spirit to begin with, all along.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 15, 2015, 08:14:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=240kQ2f8j18


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 15, 2015, 09:06:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiduGKlsL8


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 15, 2015, 09:10:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoSNGNid2sU


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Post by: Mark on November 22, 2015, 09:27:46 pm
Did the Great Falling Away Just Suck Up Another Christian Institution?

Is this another sign of the Great Falling Away? A "Christian" university in Arizona is acknowledging gay marriage. Grand Canyon University is now extending benefits to same-sex marriage partners.

The university issued the following statement outlining the reasons behind that decision, with plenty of justification for its anti-biblical stance. I don't need to comment much on this one. You can clearly see the deception in the statement:

"Since its inception in 1949, Grand Canyon University has been founded upon strong Christian principles and a commitment to the full inspiration of Scripture as the infallible, true and authoritative Word of God," the statement reads.

Unfortunately, giving a nod to same-sex marriage by extending these benefits cracks the foundation. Although GCU maintains that marriage is a "sacred union between a man and a woman, which will continue to be espoused throughout the university's curriculum and classrooms," they have nonetheless to give a nod to gay marriage by extending benefits so as to respect and honor its neighbors and the law.

"The university's decision to extend benefits has been made freely and without compulsion by the state," the statement reads. "The University has voluntarily chosen to extend benefits as a way of demonstrating grace and compassion toward individuals and families that are affected by our decision. This decision should be interpreted as an act of good faith toward employees and their families whom the University does not view as pawns in the current cultural conflict. Rather, they are human beings who are loved by their Creator and worthy of the same value and dignity that we extend to others regardless of their personal values and convictions."

Indeed, God loves everyone but the "pawns" statement confused me. In chess, a pawn has the least value and can never be promoted to king. A pawn is also someone used to forward the purposes of another.

Is this university concerned that people will think it has gay employees as pawns? Where is the pressure coming from? Is it a heartfelt conviction of the Holy Spirit? If so, why is this one of only a few Christian colleges to make this move? Are the others missing the Holy Ghost? Can a Christian college essentially bless same-sex marriage and still be a Christian college? Is this what Jesus would do?

"Regardless of criticism, GCU will remain steadfast in its commitment to follow the example of Jesus who consistently showed kindness and compassion to all, regardless of worldview or lifestyle, while speaking the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). At some points Christ infuriated religious leaders and at other points He drew the wrath of secular authorities, yet He continued to minister to all without fail," the statement reads. "If providing benefits to all who are legally married enables the University to continue ministering to its employees and their families within an increasingly complex cultural context, then we will gladly provide benefits. We hope that in doing so we will be permitted to withdraw from fruitless culture wars that tend to yield more heat than light and more hostility than genuine cultural engagement."

Wait, what? Fruitless culture wars? Is GCU really saying that Christians should not engage in the spiritual war that's trying to make darkness the norm in our society? Do the leaders of this institution really believe that disengaging from a culture war in which anti-Christ agendas are working overtime to silence the gospel is wisdom?

The bottom line is: Nobody is forcing the university's hand, though it did get a nasty letter from the American Civil Liberties Union last year with accusations of discrimination. But if all it takes is a few idle threats to move us off God's Word, we're in trouble. Let's begin to pray for our Christian institutions, which are clearly the target of a strong delusion that is trying to suck them into the Great Falling Away Paul prophesied in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Check out my article: "7 Ways to Escape the Great Falling Away."

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/watchman-on-the-wall/53295-did-the-great-falling-away-just-suck-up-another-christian-institution


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 01, 2015, 02:52:05 pm
http://nypost.com/2015/11/30/pastor-marries-pregnant-teen-with-wifes-blessing/
11/30/15
Pastor Marries Pregnant Teen with Wife's Blessing (Ohio)


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 12, 2015, 09:17:18 am
http://theadvocate.com/news/14259049-172/some-churches-easily-adopt-same-sex-marriage-in-baton-rouge-while-others-find-internal-struggle
Some churches easily adopt same-sex marriage in Baton Rouge while others find internal struggle
12/11/15

A handful of churches in Baton Rouge have opened their doors to same-sex couples wanting to get married inside their church. While the decision was a no-brainer in some congregations, at least one church, St. James Episcopal, made the move only after a long and divided internal debate.

The Unitarian Church of Baton Rouge was, unsurprisingly, a quick adopter. The church, among the most politically liberal in town, has long welcomed gay and lesbian parishioners to its services, including offering weddings. Until the landmark June 26 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriages, though, the church could not solemnize a legal marriage for a same-sex couple.

Right after the decision, the church, located on Goodwood Boulevard, posted on its marquee “You can get married here” and has kept displaying the message ever since.

The Rev. Steve Crump, senior minister at the Unitarian Church, said that at least six same-sex couples have already gotten married at the church.

“From our point of view, the state has finally caught up with exactly what we wanted to do for years and that is to conduct marriages with two consenting adults,” Crump said.

Meanwhile, St. James Episcopal, in downtown Baton Rouge, has been divided. Church documents show that the church debated the issue for months before its rector, the Rev. Mark Holland, quietly agreed last month to offer marriage services to such couples, though only to church parishioners. Holland made the move even though elected church leaders, known as the vestry, had months earlier rejected the idea in a nonbinding vote, with several citing concerns that parishioners might leave the church as a result.

In early July, just five days after the Supreme Court decision, the Episcopal Church approved two new marriage rites using gender-neutral language. In so doing, the Episcopal Church joined two other mainline Protestant groups that allow gay marriage in all their congregations: the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

Episcopal leaders, however, left the decision of whether to administer the new sacraments to bishops and rectors. Holland appears to be the only rector in Baton Rouge who has decided to allow same-sex weddings in his church.

In July, The Advocate surveyed south Louisiana Episcopal churches and found that only a handful, most of them in New Orleans, were interested in administering the new rites. Holland wouldn’t say what he would do, instead directing all questions to Bishop Morris Thompson. On Thursday, reached again, Holland did the same: “I will follow the directive of my bishop,” is all he would say.

Thompson, who oversees 50 churches in southeastern Louisiana, issued his directive on Nov. 19. It gives the green light to willing Episcopal churches to start holding same-sex wedding ceremonies as early as Nov. 29, the first Sunday in the Advent season.

Thompson said he is purposely not keeping a tally of which churches are offering same-sex services and which ones are not, though he said he can guess which ones probably are.

The bishop has made clear from the beginning that he won’t punish any priests who as a matter of conscience opt not to administer same-sex weddings, provided they refer to him couples whom they turn away. Thompson also has urged rectors like Holland to closely take the temperature of their congregations and perhaps hold off if resistance to same-sex marriage is strong. At the same time, he left the final decision up to the rector.

“This is a sacrament. There won’t be any voting on this,” Thompson said. “We don’t vote on confessions or whether we do the Eucharist.”

Hundreds of same-sex couples across Louisiana have gotten marriage licenses since the beginning of July. New Orleans has had 163 such couples obtain licenses, or about 7 percent of all the ones issued, while East Baton Rouge Parish has had 95, or 6 percent of all marriage licenses, according to the officials who oversee those functions in those locales.

Ann and Myriah Mengelson-Clark had for years been as close to legally married as Louisiana allowed them to be. In 2004, three years after they started dating, they signed legal documents binding them together, including giving each other powers of attorney. In 2010, they legally changed their last names to Mengelson-Clark. A year later, they became parents of a boy, now 4 years old.

Even so, after the Supreme Court ruling, they jumped at the chance to get married. They chose a date barely two weeks away, July 14, the 11th anniversary of when they were legally joined. They also said they wanted to be married soon so they could solidify both their joint legal status as parents of their son. Both attended the Unitarian Church in Baton Rouge and knew immediately they wanted a church wedding.

“We wanted it to be special, have great memories and involve our close family,” said Ann Mengelson-Clark, formerly Ann Mengelson, who did most of the speaking for the couple.

They invited a small number of family and friends to the Tuesday night ceremony at the church and then headed to Superior Grill for the reception.

Ann and Myriah Mengelson-Clark say they’ve received nothing but positive responses so far when people have asked about their marriage. Yet, they keep their guard up.

“While we have many wonderful people in Baton Rouge, we fear that some don’t have full empathetic understanding for the need for same-sex couples to be married,” Ann Mengelson-Clark said. “There’s an ever present risk of running into someone like that.”

At St. James Episcopal, the internal debate about same-sex marriage was laid out in a letter to St. James parishioners. It was mailed out days after an Aug. 24 special meeting of the church vestry. According to the letter, 14 out of 18 members of the vestry opposed St. James offering same-sex weddings, mostly based on their reading of scripture to say that marriage is a “rite reserved between a man and a woman.” But they had other concerns.

“Some of them opposed were concerned that moving forward on something so new and controversial might have a negative impact on the congregation financially and membership wise,” according to the letter.

Holland did not reveal his decision until late November and did so quietly, via the minutes of a Nov. 16 vestry meeting reprinted on page 7 in St. James’ monthly newsletter: “Fr. Holland stated that he will make the sacraments available to any legal parishioners of St. James.”

John Sykes, who is gay and is a member of the St. James congregation, said he is happily surprised to learn of Holland’s decision. While he and his partner are not currently contemplating marriage, he said he’s glad they have the option.

“It’s your church, it’s your parish, and your church is home,” he said. “It’s certainly different from going to the justice of the peace because it’s where you belong.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 20, 2015, 08:01:02 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-shows-christians-america-really-203719289.html
This Poll Shows How Christians in America Really Feel About Homosexuality
12/20/15

If there really is a culture war raging between social liberals and conservatives, polling data indicates the liberals have won one battle so thoroughly they're making inroads into enemy territory.

A new Pew Research Center survey suggests that growing numbers of Christians have come around on homosexuality, with a full 54% of all Christians agreeing that "homosexuality should be accepted, rather than discouraged, by society."

"While this is still considerably lower than the shares of religiously unaffiliated people (83%) and members of non-Christian faiths (76%) who say the same, the Christian figure has increased by 10 percentage points since we conducted a similar study in 2007," Pew writes.

According to Pew's data, the percentage of Christians who accept homosexuality has grown in virtually all denominations, with just evangelical Protestants, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses remaining opposed.

While many evangelical Protestants still feel that homosexuality should not be socially condoned, small increases were seen in support among even the most conservative denominations, like the Southern Baptist Convention and Seventh-day Adventists.

Growing tolerance, if not outright support, toward homosexuality among Christians is just part of a larger national change in attitudes toward LGBT people. As Pew notes, acceptance of homosexuality rose nationwide from 50% in 2007 to 62% in 2014. It's also part of a larger generational shift in the U.S. toward a more liberal Christianity, with polling showing conservative religious people are now outnumbered nationally by more progressive ones.

The shift stands in stark contrast to some rhetoric by leading national politicians, particularly in the Republican Party, which still draws deep on a well of support from social conservatives. Last week, presidential candidate and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — currently in third place polling averages kept by Real Clear Politics — said he would appoint conservative nominees to the Supreme Court who would reverse a June 2015 ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.

Most of the current Republican presidential field tends to agree with him, though current frontrunner Donald Trump referred to legal same-sex marriage as "the law of the land" while expressing sympathy for Kim Davis, the clerk in Rowan County, Kentucky, who briefly went to jail over her refusal to certify same-sex marriages. In July, some young Republican leaders urged the party to adapt to the times.

On the other hand, current Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton's campaign launch video proudly featured an engaged gay couple — a sign of how quickly attitudes toward LGBT people in the U.S. have changed since just a decade ago in 2004, when President George W. Bush endorsed a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 21, 2015, 07:28:38 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyzxduPFRUg


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Post by: Mark on December 30, 2015, 05:48:41 pm
Catholic Newspaper Names Plaintiffs in Supreme Court ‘Gay Marriage’ Case ‘Persons of the Year’

A prominent newspaper for Roman Catholics led by independent laymen has named two of the plaintiffs in the U.S. Supreme Court’s “gay marriage” case that was ruled upon in 2015 as being among their “persons of the year.”

“For their historic roles as plaintiffs in Obergefell v. Hodges and for their faithful public witness as gay Catholics, we name Greg Bourke and Michael DeLe­on NCR’s persons of the year for 2015,” writes the National Catholic Reporter, based out of Kansas City, Missouri, in an editorial published on Monday.

The two men, 58 and 57, have been in a relationship for 33 years and have attended Our Lady of Lourdes Parish in St. Matthews, Kentucky for 28 of those years. They are raising two teenage children together, and told reporters this week that they will not leave their congregation because “you don’t change anything by leaving something.”

After the state of Kentucky did not recognize their “marriage” after they traveled to Canada in 2004 for a ceremony, they filed suit to challenge Kentucky’s constitutional amendment that was passed that same year recognizing marriage as being solely between a man and a woman. Their complaint was among those that was accepted by the U.S. Supreme Court.

In addition to lauding Bourke and DeLeon for their roles in the court case, the piece in the National Catholic Reporter advocates for greater acceptance of homosexuals within the Roman Catholic religion and in society in general.

“Changing the law was a one-time event. Change comes to peoples and communities slowly,” the article states. “As ordi­nary people — and one hopes Catholic bishops — come to know more people in same-sex marriages, hearts and minds will change. Acceptance will re­place fear.”

The editors further note that Bourke not allowed to lead his local Boy Scout troop this summer after his local parish decided to retain its ban on homosexual leaders following the Boy Scouts’ decision to change its leadership policy.

“NCR is already on record advocating for church personnel policies that ensure that employees can en­ter into legal, civil marriages without fear of losing their jobs,” the article states. “Today, we address a more fundamental issue: How will we as a church live with our gay, lesbian and transgender brothers and sisters? We are past the time of ‘love the sinner’ platitudes.”

The National Catholic Reporter outlines its liberal leanings on the “mission and values” page of its website, stating that it is “the only significant alternative Catholic voice that provides avenues for expression of diverse perspectives, promoting tolerance and respect for differing ideas.”

“NCR is a religious news source with worldly interests, and though a large amount of its reporting deals with issues of the Catholic church, an equal amount of its coverage is a marriage of the religious, political and social forces shaping public policies and institutions,” it writes. “We are concerned for all people and we are committed to shaping a world that recognizes the dignity of every human being, regardless of religious belief, gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or other characteristics.”

The publication further claims that it balances “integrity and sensitivity, keeping an editorial vision that is both prophetic and reconciling — discerning the work of God’s Spirit and also aware of human limitations.”

http://christiannews.net/2015/12/30/catholic-newspaper-names-plaintiffs-in-supreme-court-gay-marriage-case-persons-of-the-year/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 31, 2015, 11:45:06 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KZeCiy5_E


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Post by: Mark on January 05, 2016, 01:11:58 am
Southern Baptist Churches Start To Ordain Homosexuals And Perform Same-Sex Marriage Rituals

“In some ways, it’s going to open up a space for evangelical gay people to have a place again,” he says. “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”

 Southern Baptist Churches Start To Ordain Homosexuals And Perform Same-Sex Marriage Rituals

“In some ways, it’s going to open up a space for evangelical gay people to have a place again,” he says. “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”

https://youtu.be/ZLBC9UWnRKU

“What I heard was, ‘We need to do the right thing, regardless of what anybody thinks or says about us,’” says Jim Dant, the 184-year-old church’s senior minister who led the church through its six-month discernment. “There were a few people who said, ‘Are they going to start calling us the gay church in town?’”

THE DIALOGUE CULMINATED INTO A CONSENSUS — THE KIND THAT, BY THE EARLIEST TRADITION OF BAPTIST DISCERNMENT, RESULTED IN A PUBLIC AFFIRMATION BY EACH PRESENT MEMBER.

“In some ways, it’s going to open up a space for evangelical gay people to have a place again,” he says. “There will be a voice of biblical interpretation in the evangelical world that says the way this has been interpreted by the average preacher on AM radio every Sunday is not the only way that evangelicals read biblical literature.”

A PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM PASTOR JIM DANT:

Dant has been on a one-man crusade to turn the First Baptist Church into a haven for unrepentant members of the LGBT lifestyle, a highly successful one at that. Listen to his “warm and fuzzy” welcome message.

VIDEO: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/baptist-churches-start-to-ordain-homosexuals-and-perform-same-sex-marriage-rituals/

While the SBC itself still mostly holds to Biblical truth, some of it’s members have already begun to pull away and attach themselves to the world. The Mississippi Conservative Daily writes of a war brewing within the Southern Baptist Convention that threatens to split it right down the middle. I believe that the Baptists will be the last group to fall, but if Revelation 3:20 is right, eventually they will fall as well.

When I visited the church’s website, I was not able to find a Statement Of Faith regarding their doctrinal beliefs. But a quick site search using the term “LGBT” revealed some interesting things though. Looks like Pastor Jim Dant is leading a revolution to convince his sheep that the Bible supports the LGBT lifestyle. He has created something he calls the LGBT Discernment Team, whatever that is. In another article he writes that “we will be discussing our church’s relationship to our LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) brothers and sisters.” News flash for Pastor Jim – unrepentant LGBT people who are looking to the Bible to justify their lifestyle choices are not any Christian’s “brother and sister”. Not by a long shot.

“FOR THIS CAUSE GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTIONS: FOR EVEN THEIR WOMEN DID CHANGE THE NATURAL USE INTO THAT WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE: AND LIKEWISE ALSO THE MEN, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, BURNED IN THEIR LUST ONE TOWARD ANOTHER; MEN WITH MEN WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY, AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS MEET.” ROMANS 1:26,27 (KJV)

Should same-sex people be allowed into Christian churches? Absolutely they should, so they can hear the gospel preached from the Bible and get a chance to get saved from Hell. But allowed in to affirm and confirm their LGBT lifestyle as if it were something that God and the Bible approves of? Absolutely not. Should same-sex, openly homosexual and transgender people be allowed to be ordained as pastors or serve as music ministers in the church. Absolutely not. And just to be clear, no, active and open LGBT people should not be allowed membership in any Christian church. Church membership is only for saved, born-again Christians. The Church service, however, is open to anyone and everyone who wants to come and listen.

Pastor Jim also says that he hopes that the words of this song will lead and guide his church as they “move forward”:

THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER, TOGETHER, TOGETHER.
THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER, THE HAPPIER WE’LL BE.
‘CAUSE YOUR FRIENDS ARE MY FRIENDS,
AND MY FRIENDS ARE YOUR FRIENDS.
THE MORE WE GET TOGETHER, THE HAPPIER WE’LL BE.

Aww, isn’t that so nice and sweet? Let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we walk into the chopper blades together. In 2015, in the Laodicean Church era, it is no longer about Biblical truth and following Bible doctrine. It’s all about “getting along”, and “loving each other”, and “not making waves”. Now you see why Jesus is on the outside of the Church house, knocking to be let back in. You cannot have Jesus and the active LGBT lifestyle in the same building.

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Revelation 3:20 (KJV)

And that, my friends, is what the “falling away” the apostle Paul warned us about looks like. It’s end times prophecy coming true right here, right now.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/baptist-churches-start-to-ordain-homosexuals-and-perform-same-sex-marriage-rituals/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 13, 2016, 05:08:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5nX2L_DMzw


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on January 14, 2016, 06:47:22 pm
Anglican Communion suspends the Episcopal Church after years of gay rights debates

The Episcopal Church has been suspended from full participation in the Anglican Communion, the world’s third-largest Christian denomination, after years of heated debates over human sexuality and other issues.

The Anglican Communion of national churches, which includes the Episcopal Church in the United States, have been affiliated for centuries, but they have struggled to stay unified amid divisions. The 2003 consecration of the openly gay pastor Gene Robinson as the bishop of New Hampshire served as a flash point, though tensions were brewing for many years.

Since Robinson’s consecration in 2003, the Episcopal Church has upset many leaders in other Anglican provinces who saw its decisions on sexuality as a departure from scripture. Leaders in more theologically conservative Anglican provinces have asked the Anglican Communion to discipline the Episcopal Church, the historic home to U.S. presidents and the nation’s elite.

Thursday’s announcement was seen as a blow to the Episcopal Church, which last year changed its church canon to include same-sex marriage blessings. It was also seen as a victory for conservative Anglicans — the Global Anglican Future Conference — who for years have been pressing the Anglican Communion to discipline the U.S. body.


rest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on January 14, 2016, 07:01:08 pm
Apostate Episcopal Priests Welcomed Youth Minister Practicing ‘Transexualism’ Now Charged With ****

A West Virginia man who identifies as a woman and was welcomed by several Episcopal priests to serve as a youth minister in their assemblies has now been charged with the years-long sexual abuse of a young girl.

James “Jimmy” Lilly, 24, was taken into custody on Tuesday and is facing dozens of sexually-related charges, including one count of incest, one count of second-degree sexual assault and 31 counts of first-degree sexual abuse.

According to reports, Lilly, who was working on obtaining a teaching degree at Bluefield State College, served as a youth leader for an unspecified number of Episcopal congregation in the Bluefield area, including at Christ Episcopal Church.

“He was a youth minister, but also involved with children in other ways,” Detective K.L. Adams told the Bluefield Daily Telegraph.

“Mr. Lilly, by his own admission, is transgender,” he also stated. “He is in the process of becoming a woman.”

Police began investigating Lilly in December after being alerted that he had been sexually abusing a girl since 2009, when she was nine or ten years old. The abuse is stated to have taken place at a home and not a church building.

He was released this week after someone posted his $125,000 bond, but investigators are now looking into claims that he had abused additional children while working as a youth leader in other cities and states, such as Mechanicsville, Virginia and Atlanta, Georgia.

“Of course in this investigation, we put out there in the news for any other victims to come forward and contact the Bluefield Police Department,” Adams told reporters. “There has been some allegations arise out of state at other churches that he has worked—possible victims there that have come forward.”

Local television station WVVA contacted officials with Christ Episcopal Church of Bluefield, but was told that Lilly never raised any red flags by engaging in behavior that they found to be strange or concerning.

“After interviewing the victim in this case, hearing all the stuff that has happened and also everything that has led up to and speaking with individuals that have been involved in Mr. Lilly’s life, we find it pertinent that he is guilty of these charges,” Adams told the outlet.

Lilly faces up to 300 years behind bars if convicted.

http://christiannews.net/2016/01/14/apostate-episcopal-priests-welcomed-youth-minister-practicing-transexualism-now-charged-with-****/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 20, 2016, 11:27:24 am
http://news.yahoo.com/sponsor-anti-gay-marriage-bill-undaunted-8-5b-223119084.html
Sponsor of anti-gay marriage bill is undaunted by $8.5B cost
1/19/16

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — The Tennessee lawmaker whose bill would bar the state from following the U.S. Supreme Court's gay marriage ruling says he is undeterred by a projected loss of $8.5 billion in federal funds if the proposal becomes law.

State Rep. Mark Pody said at a state Capitol rally on Tuesday that the proposal he has dubbed the "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act" is worth any cost — and the Republican from the Nashville suburb of Lebanon disputed the estimated loss of federal funds.

"The right to who we are is at stake," Pody said.

He cited a 2006 amendment to the state constitution that defined marriage as being only between a man and a woman and declared that any judicial interpretation to the contrary "shall be void and unenforceable in Tennessee."

That amendment passed with more than 80 percent of the vote a decade ago.

"We're only upholding what we've already voted on," Pody said. "They trampled our constitution."

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State Rep. Mark Pody, R-Lebanon, speaks at a rally at the state Capitol in Nashville, Tenn., on Tues …
Last year's decision by the nation's highest court was based on cases in four states including Tennessee, where three couples had sued to have their out-of-state marriages recognized.

Pody's proposal is scheduled for its first hearing in a House subcommittee Wednesday afternoon. Pody urged supporters to contact the five members of the panel to persuade them not to kill the bill.

Legislative analysts estimated that if the state refuses services to same-sex couples, Tennessee stands to lose $6.5 billion in federal Medicaid money and another $2 billion in food stamp and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families funds.

Committee member Bill Beck, a Nashville Democrat, said he won't support the measure.

"The Supreme Court dictates the law of the land," Beck said. "Are we going to secede from the union?"

Beck dismissed Pody's proposal as "red meat" for conservatives.

"They love it, and Pody will keep it playing as long as he can," Beck said. "He's turning them out right and left."

But some Republicans who oppose gay marriage say a better approach would be to pass a resolution demanding that the state's attorney general file a lawsuit to block the ruling.

It's not the first time Pody has sought to block federal laws in Tennessee. In 2014, he proposed legislation seeking to block the implementation of President Barack Obama's health care law in Tennessee. It didn't pass.


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Post by: Mark on February 06, 2016, 03:15:00 am
CHURCH OFFERS 'TRANSGENDER BAPTISMS' FOR PREFERRED SEX
Congregation 'willing to accept change and progress'


A British church wants its congregants to know they can be born again according to their preferred gender.

The New Chapel Unitarian and Free Christian in Greater Manchester is now offering “transgender baptisms” for those who want to select the gender they will emerge from the baptismal font.

“Baptismal services do not seek a child’s salvation but dedicate the parents to their task to raise the child to have virtues and principles by which to live. Ancient symbols may be used but they will reflect modern ideas and beliefs,” the Denton church says on its website.

Worship leader Jean Clements, 41, told the Manchester Evening News Jan. 30 that transgender communities were marginalized by other denominations, which spurred her into action.

Clements cited a same-sex marriage ceremony she officiated last year as proof transgender baptisms are necessary. The couple had a transgender child.

“I felt saddened by the fact that this family were being shunned by many mainstream churches. However, the family came to New Chapel, the congregation welcomed the family with open arms.”

New Chapel Unitarian and Free Christian has also agreed to perform a second baptism on a 10-year-old who identifies as a girl.

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“I am so happy that they have now said I can be baptized because although I was previously baptized, it was as a boy, with a different name,” the child said in a statement, the Independent reported Monday. “I feel as though it was not really me who was baptized, but somebody else. At the moment I feel separate from God and as a child who has a strong faith I want to be close to Him.”

Many churches perform baptisms by invoking the Holy Trinity: “I baptize you in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Unitarians do not.

The Catholic Church, for example, would not consider Unitarian baptism a valid sacrament.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/church-offers-transgender-baptisms-for-preferred-sex/#vZBZGwtZ8KbBZQ08.99


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 09, 2016, 09:47:48 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oye0U_7tSw


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 23, 2016, 01:46:45 pm
This Pastor Is Sleeping Outside Until His Church Accepts LGBT People

 by Jack Jenkins Feb 23, 2016 11:58 am
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/02/23/3752353/pastor-sleeps-outside-for-lgbt-inclusion/

A Methodist minister has cast himself out into the cold to show his support LGBT people, vowing to sleep in a tent outside his Michigan home for 175 days to protest his church’s opposition to same-sex marriage and the ordination of LGBT members.

Rev. Michael Tupper, pastor of Parchment United Methodist Church in Parchment, Michigan, first engaged with LGBT issues six years ago when his daughter Sarah came out to him as a lesbian. But his entry into outright pro-LGBT activism began last year, when Sarah asked him to officiate her wedding to another woman she met while attending Wheaton College, a hardline conservative evangelical Christian school.

Pastors are prohibited from officiating same-sex weddings in Tupper’s denomination, the United Methodist Church (UMC), and those that do are often put on trial within the church. But Tupper did it anyway, explaining to ThinkProgress that he simply couldn’t tell his daughter no.

“I chose to do that, and complaint was filed,” he said. “All of sudden it became so clear to me — the discrimination against LGBT people in the church.”

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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 10, 2016, 11:06:55 am
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31016033304
Christian Androgyny? Raising Children in an LGBT Friendly World
3/10/2016 (THU) 
Audio: http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=31016033304


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Post by: Mark on March 10, 2016, 05:17:09 pm
Republican Bible Belt Governor Bashes Bill Protecting Objectors to ‘Gay Marriage’ as UnChristian

The Republican, Southern Baptist-identifying governor of Georgia recently cited the Bible in denouncing a proposed bill to protect objectors to same-sex “marriage,” as he asserts that the move is not Christlike.

In speaking to reporters following a ribbon-cutting ceremony in Atlanta on March 3, Gov. Nathan Deal said that he would reject any bill that “allows discrimination in our state in order to protect people of faith.”

He was referring to a recent legislative move to combine H.B. 757,  also known as the Pastor Protection Act, with S.B. 284, the First Amendment Defense Act of Georgia. As previously reported, the Pastor Protection Act unanimously passed the Georgia House, finding support among Democrats and Republicans alike.

“No minister of the gospel or cleric or religious practitioner ordained or authorized to solemnize marriages, perform rites, or administer sacraments according to the usages of the denomination … in violation of his or her right to free exercise of religion under the Constitution of this state or the United States,” it reads in part.

The First Amendment Act of Georgia mandates that “[g]overnment shall not take any discriminatory action against wholly or partially on the basis that such person believes, speaks or acts in accordance with a sincerely-held religious belief or moral conviction that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman or that sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage.”

On Thursday, Gov. Deal cited the Bible in asserting that the proposed laws were somehow unChristian.

“I think what the New Testament teaches us is that Jesus reached out to those who were considered the outcasts, the ones that did not conform to the religious societies’ view of the world and said to those of belief, ‘This is what I want you to do,'” he said. “We do not have a belief—in my way of looking at religion—that says we have to discriminate against anybody. If you were to apply those standards to the teaching of Jesus, I don’t think they fit.”

Deal then pointed to the biblical account of the woman at the well to further his point. The woman had been married five times and was living with a man who was not her husband. Jesus called upon the woman to turn to His truth to find Living Water.

“What that says is we have a belief in forgiveness and that we do not have to discriminate unduly against anyone on the basis of our own religious beliefs,” he said.

Deal, who personally believes in marriage as being defined as the union of one man and one woman, said that he does not see those who disagree as being a “threat” to Christians. Deal attends First Baptist Church of Gainesville, which has several female pastors on its team.

“We are not jeopardized, in my opinion, by those who believe differently from us,” he asserted. “We are not, in my opinion, put in jeopardy by virtue of those who might hold different beliefs or who may not even agree with what our Supreme Court said the law of the land is on the issue of same-sex marriage. I do not feel threatened by the fact that people who might choose same-sex marriages pursue that route.”

“I hope that we can all just take a deep breath, recognize that the world is changing around us, and recognize that it is important that we protect fundamental religious beliefs,” Deal continued. “But we don’t have to discriminate against other people in order to do that. And that’s the compromise that I’m looking for.”

The office of Georgia House Speaker David Ralston issued a statement in response to the governor’s comments, outlining that Ralston is open to working out a compromise on the proposals.

“Speaker Ralston appreciates and shares Governor Deal’s sincere commitment to protecting religious liberties while ensuring that Georgia continues to welcome everyone with genuine southern hospitality,” it said. “Productive conversations continue with the governor’s staff as well as other members of House leadership regarding HB 757 and the Speaker is confident that we can find a way to move forward together.”

http://christiannews.net/2016/03/10/republican-bible-belt-governor-bashes-bill-protecting-objectors-to-gay-marriage-as-unchristian/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 05, 2016, 09:12:25 am
Redeeming the Time: The Sin of Idleness - Nate Marino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXg2JjBwy4


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 14, 2016, 12:02:51 pm
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=41416036383
Church of Sodom & Worship of Gomorrah: When Church is Sin & Worship is an Abomination
4/14/2016 (THU) 
Audio: http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=41416036383


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Post by: Mark on April 15, 2016, 06:22:39 pm
Norway's Lutheran church votes in favor of same-sex marriage

Norway's Lutheran Church voted on Monday in favor of allowing same-sex marriage, becoming the latest of a small but growing number of churches worldwide to do so.

Last year the French Protestant Church allowed gay marriage blessings, while the U.S. Presbyterian Church approved a change in the wording of its constitution to include same-sex marriage.

In a vote at the annual conference of the Norwegian Lutheran Church on Monday 88 delegates out of 115 in total backed same-sex marriage.

"Finally we can celebrate love independently of whom one falls in love with," said Gard Sandaker-Nilsen, leader of the Open Public Church, a religious movement within the church that had campaigned to change the rules.

Under the new rules, priests who do not want to marry a same-sex couple will still have the right to object.

The vote by Norway's Lutheran Church reflects increasingly liberal attitudes in wider Norwegian society to issues such as homosexuality.

Norway became the second country in the world after Denmark to allow same-sex registered partnerships in 1993. The Nordic country of 5.2 million people has allowed civil same-sex marriage since 2009.

Some 74 percent of Norwegians were members of the Lutheran Church last year, according to the national statistics agency, but that number has been declining.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-norway-gaymarriage-idUSKCN0X81EW


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 17, 2016, 05:59:33 pm
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

‘Transgender’ Preacher Tells Baptist Gathering ‘Angel of Reason’ Helped Affirm Desire to Be Woman

The nation’s first “transgender” Baptist preacher spoke to a national Baptist gathering on April 8, explaining that the doctor who delivered him as a baby was wrong in declaring him a boy, and that it was an “angel of reason” that caused him to accept his inclinations to identify as a woman.

Daniel Robinson, who goes by the name Allyson Robinson, had been studying to be a pastor at Baylor University’s George W. Truett Theological Seminary in 2005 when he began to wrestle with his gender identity as never before. He had struggled with his desire to be a man since childhood.

“I have known my entire life that the world was wrong about me, that on the day I was born, when the doctor took a cursory glance between my legs and authoritatively declared ‘It’s a boy,’ he was wrong—dead wrong,” Robinson told the Alliance of Baptists in St. Louis this month.

He said that one day in his early seminary days he contemplated suicide, but an “angel of the Lord” that he called “reason” stopped him.

“What if God hasn’t fixed you because you’re not broken?” Robinson said he heard inside of himself.

“That can’t be true,” he thought. “The Bible says I’m broken.”

“What if the Bible is wrong?” the voice said. “What if you’ve been reading it wrong?”

Robinson told those gathered that in that moment he “sacrificed his certainty” and hoped that God would count it as “righteousness.”

In other appearances, Robinson has explained that he went into therapy but kept his gender identity issues as secret until graduating from Baylor due to the seminary’s policies about homosexuality and transgenderism. He also took a position as pastor of Meadow Oaks Baptist Church in Temple, Texas during his time at Baylor.

Robinson’s wife, Danyelle, expressed her support about his desire to identify as a woman.

In 2014, he worked as a transitional minister at Calvary Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., and was ordained there as a woman.

“Allyson Dylan Robinson is a minister of the gospel, trained for the task, and ordained to the gospel ministry by another community in which she has served as pastor,” former leader Amy Butler wrote at that time. “Over the course of her journey, God has invited her to step into the faithful witness of a new identity, a true identity, and a new name.”

Robinson now speaks as an itinerant preacher and appeared at Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner’s renaming ceremony last year.

“Frankly I consider Job, Gautama Buddha, Joan of Arc, Rumi and Johnny Cash to be my spiritual predecessors far more than Augustine, Aquinas or Barth,” he told the Alliance of Baptists this month. “My hymnal has a lot less Isaac Watts and Fanny Crosby, but it’s full of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Tupac and Beyonce.”

However, some have come to the opposite conclusion of Robinson, and state that it is not healthy to support and affirm a person’s desire to live as those of the opposite sex.

As previously reported, Walt Heyer, a 75-year-old man who obtained a sex change operation in the 1980’s to live as a woman for eight years before reverting back to his biological gender, now leads a ministry in which he shares his story with the world of how Christ redeemed his life and gave him hope.

“Nobody’s ever born a transgender,” he told the Daily Mail last January. “They’re manufactured as a result of something, a developmental childhood issue that has yet to be determined for many people.”

“All of them have some level of depression, and we’re not treating them,” Heyer lamented. “We’re just cutting off body parts and giving them a new name and a new gender.”

“God designed man; He designed women,” he also said in a video recorded last year. “God will redeem the lives of people who struggle with gender identity issues just like I did. He redeemed my life, and I’ve been free from it as a result of that.”

http://christiannews.net/2016/04/17/transgender-preacher-tells-baptist-gathering-angel-of-reason-helped-affirm-desire-to-be-woman/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on April 17, 2016, 10:43:18 pm
I'm not trying to predict a rapture date - but nonetheless I believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I just can't imagine anything worse, but who knows the further tricks the sodomite agenda has up their sleeves still.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

‘Transgender’ Preacher Tells Baptist Gathering ‘Angel of Reason’ Helped Affirm Desire to Be Woman

The nation’s first “transgender” Baptist preacher spoke to a national Baptist gathering on April 8, explaining that the doctor who delivered him as a baby was wrong in declaring him a boy, and that it was an “angel of reason” that caused him to accept his inclinations to identify as a woman.

Daniel Robinson, who goes by the name Allyson Robinson, had been studying to be a pastor at Baylor University’s George W. Truett Theological Seminary in 2005 when he began to wrestle with his gender identity as never before. He had struggled with his desire to be a man since childhood.

“I have known my entire life that the world was wrong about me, that on the day I was born, when the doctor took a cursory glance between my legs and authoritatively declared ‘It’s a boy,’ he was wrong—dead wrong,” Robinson told the Alliance of Baptists in St. Louis this month.

He said that one day in his early seminary days he contemplated suicide, but an “angel of the Lord” that he called “reason” stopped him.

“What if God hasn’t fixed you because you’re not broken?” Robinson said he heard inside of himself.

“That can’t be true,” he thought. “The Bible says I’m broken.”

“What if the Bible is wrong?” the voice said. “What if you’ve been reading it wrong?”

Robinson told those gathered that in that moment he “sacrificed his certainty” and hoped that God would count it as “righteousness.”

In other appearances, Robinson has explained that he went into therapy but kept his gender identity issues as secret until graduating from Baylor due to the seminary’s policies about homosexuality and transgenderism. He also took a position as pastor of Meadow Oaks Baptist Church in Temple, Texas during his time at Baylor.

Robinson’s wife, Danyelle, expressed her support about his desire to identify as a woman.

In 2014, he worked as a transitional minister at Calvary Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., and was ordained there as a woman.

“Allyson Dylan Robinson is a minister of the gospel, trained for the task, and ordained to the gospel ministry by another community in which she has served as pastor,” former leader Amy Butler wrote at that time. “Over the course of her journey, God has invited her to step into the faithful witness of a new identity, a true identity, and a new name.”

Robinson now speaks as an itinerant preacher and appeared at Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner’s renaming ceremony last year.

“Frankly I consider Job, Gautama Buddha, Joan of Arc, Rumi and Johnny Cash to be my spiritual predecessors far more than Augustine, Aquinas or Barth,” he told the Alliance of Baptists this month. “My hymnal has a lot less Isaac Watts and Fanny Crosby, but it’s full of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Tupac and Beyonce.”

However, some have come to the opposite conclusion of Robinson, and state that it is not healthy to support and affirm a person’s desire to live as those of the opposite sex.

As previously reported, Walt Heyer, a 75-year-old man who obtained a sex change operation in the 1980’s to live as a woman for eight years before reverting back to his biological gender, now leads a ministry in which he shares his story with the world of how Christ redeemed his life and gave him hope.

“Nobody’s ever born a transgender,” he told the Daily Mail last January. “They’re manufactured as a result of something, a developmental childhood issue that has yet to be determined for many people.”

“All of them have some level of depression, and we’re not treating them,” Heyer lamented. “We’re just cutting off body parts and giving them a new name and a new gender.”

“God designed man; He designed women,” he also said in a video recorded last year. “God will redeem the lives of people who struggle with gender identity issues just like I did. He redeemed my life, and I’ve been free from it as a result of that.”

http://christiannews.net/2016/04/17/transgender-preacher-tells-baptist-gathering-angel-of-reason-helped-affirm-desire-to-be-woman/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 20, 2016, 09:55:34 pm
Gay Pastor Says The Bible ‘Is Evolving’ And Must Change To Accommodate Our Lifestyle Choices

If you are a 'gay christian' and have no conviction that homosexuality is a sin, then you are likely unsaved and headed for a Devil's Hell. The Bible promises that God will save all that come to Him, even the vilest of sinners, through His Son Jesus Christ. That includes every member of the LGBT community. But when He saves you, one evidence of that will be that He has changed you. You can come as you are, but He will not leave you as He found you.

Our natural birth, our first birth, is not in the image of God. It is in the image of Adam and Eve after they fell.

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Psalm 138:2 (KJV)

How seriously does God take His own word? Well, for starters, He says in Psalm 138 that He has placed His word above that of even His own Name. In Matthew 4:4, He says that we are to live by ‘every word’ that proceeds out of His mouth. So what are the chances that the Bible is a book that is ‘evolving to suit our lifestyle choices”? Right around absolute zero I would say. Maybe less. Listen as a gay pastor attempts to make the case that God’s Holy word is fluid, evolving and adapts to whatever our lifestyle choices are.

If this sodomite is a pastor than why is he wearing that little catholic collar thing?
https://vimeo.com/163546395

One of the arguments of the gay ‘christian’ community is that God created all of us, gay and straight, in His image. But does the Bible say that all people are created in His image? No, it does not. The Bible says that Adam was created in His image, and Eve was created from that same image from Adam. Then sin entered the Garden and they fell and became cursed. 2 chapters later we read exactly whose image we have been created in.

“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:” Genesis 5:3 (KJV)

You and I, when we were conceived, were created in the fallen image of sinful Adam, outside of the Garden of Eden. Our natural birth, our first birth, is not in the image of God. It is in the image of Adam and Eve after they fell. This is why Jesus says in the book of John that we must be ‘born again’ if we want to enter into Heaven. We need a new birth, a second birth, in order to be in the image of God.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV)

What is being born again? It is the action of the Holy Spirit when you by faith receive the payment for sin that Jesus made on Calvary as your payment for your sins. It is not a quickie 30 second prayer, it is not about your feelings, hopes, wishes or dreams. It is a legally binding transaction, based solely on the word of God, where you exchange your sins for Jesus righteousness. But if you do not come to Him as a sinner seeking payment for your sins, then you have not come to Him in a way that will save you.

When Jesus went to the cross, He went there for one reason and one reason only. To make a payment. For your sins. Sins like homosexuality, lust, greed, drunkenness, fornication, envy, strife, lying, cheating, stealing and the list goes on. He paid for every sin you ever committed or ever will commit. Jesus paid it all. But that’s not all. At the moment you come to Him by faith and He saves you by His shed blood, the Holy Spirit then SEALS YOU IN so you can never ‘lose it’.

“That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.” Ephesians 12-14 (KJV)

Make no mistake, homosexuality is a sin. If you are a gay ‘christian’ who thinks that the same God who allowed His own Son to be killed for sin on the cross is going to bend His word to accommodate your lifestyle choices, you are fatally wrong and eternally mistaken. There is no such thing as a born again gay Christian or a gay pastor, it doesn’t exist. Because if you are LGBT and you actually get saved, the first thing the Holy Spirit will do is convict  you of your lifestyle choices, and empower you to fight against them.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

If you are a ‘gay christian’ and have no conviction that homosexuality is a sin, then you are likely unsaved and headed for a Devil’s Hell. The Bible promises that God will save all that come to Him, even the vilest of sinners, through His Son Jesus Christ. That includes every member of the LGBT community. But when He saves you, one evidence of that will be that He has changed  you. You can come as you are, but He will not leave you as He found you.

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)

So how do we become the children of God? The Bible says that all those who have been born again into Jesus Christ are His children. You become God’s child by faith, by being born again, and not simply by being born into this world.

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:26 (KJV)

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/gay-pastor-says-bible-is-evolving-and-must-change-to-accommodate-our-lifestyle-choices/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 20, 2016, 10:32:58 pm
Whole Foods Sues Customer for Alleged Fake ‘Gay Slur’ Claim

The Whole Foods grocery chain is suing a customer who claimed the bakery staff at a Whole Foods outlet decorated his cake with a gay slur.

“After a deeper investigation of Mr. [Jordan] Brown’s claim, we believe his accusations are fraudulent and we intend to take legal action against both Mr. Brown and his attorney,” the company said in the statement published by the Austin Statesman newspaper.

Jordan Brown, the pastor of the Church of Open Doors and an open homosexual, claimed April 18 that a bakery worker at an Austin, Texas outlet wrote the word “fag” on a cake he asked to be decorated with the words “love wins.”

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/04/Cake-Whole-Foods-640x480.jpg)
Why didnt the sodomite pastor say something as soon as he was handed the cake? You can see it clearly through the CLEAR packaging. I do not believe this sodomite at all and i really hope Whole Foods takes him to the bank. just saying, it has a clear cover. You can read it.  ::)

Brown says he didn’t tell the bakery workers he was gay and didn’t actually look at the cake until long after he left the store. The gay pastor filed a lawsuit in Travis County District court and is asking for a jury trial.

But Whole Foods is firing back, standing behind its employees and saying Brown has made a fraudulent claim.

The grocery chain released surveillance video of the checkout area showing Brown purchasing the cake and says the video invalidates the pastor’s claims.

At issue is the location of the UPC code used to ring up the price at the checkout counter.

On Monday, through his attorney, Brown showed photos of the cake box when he purchased it. The UPC sticker is clearly on the side of the box.

However, Whole Foods maintains the video of the checkout process clearly shows the cashier scanning the top of the box, not the side, to ring up the purchase.

“After reviewing their security footage of Mr. Brown, it’s clear that the UPC label was in fact on top of the cake box, not on the side of the package,” Whole Foods said in its company statement. “This is evident as the cashier scans the UPC code on top of the box,” the company said.

“We stand behind our bakery team member, who is part of the LGBTQ community, and we appreciate the team members and shoppers who recognize that this claim is completely false and directly contradicts Whole Foods Market’s inclusive culture, which celebrates diversity,” the statement concluded.

http://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2016/04/19/whole-foods-suing-customer-disputes-claim-store-bakery-cake-gay-slur-written/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on April 26, 2016, 08:14:57 pm
Christian Author Jen Hatmaker: 'It is High Time Christians Opened Wide Their Arms...to the LGBT Community'

 Popular Christian author and speaker Jen Hatmaker said that Christians should embrace the LGBT community.
 
ChristianToday.com reports that Hatmaker, author of 7 and For the Love had previously held more conservative views regarding the LGBT community.
 
In 2014, Hatmaker wrote that she believed "God's original creation is how we were crafted to thrive: in marriage, in family, and in community, which has borne out for millennia in Scripture, interpretation, practice, and society (within and without church)."
 
However, she recently made waves when she wrote in a Facebook post that “It is high time Christians opened wide their arms, wide their churches, wide their tables wide their homes to the LGBT community.”
 
"So whatever the cost and loss, this is where I am: gay teens? Gay adults? Mamas and daddies of precious gaybees? Friends and beloved neighbors of very dear LGBT folks? Here are my arms open wide. So wide that every last one of you can jump inside. You are so dear, so beloved, so precious and important. You matter so desperately and your life is worthy and beautiful,” she continued.
 
Hatmaker told those in the LGBT community that there “is nothing 'wrong with you,' or in any case nothing more right or wrong than any of us, which is to say we are all hopelessly screwed up but Jesus still loves us beyond all reason and lives to make us all new, restored, whole."
 
Hatmaker’s post received 35,000 likes and nearly 7,000 shares, but there were also many who disagreed with her, saying that being lesbian, gay, or transgender was not a lifestyle Christians should condone.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/christian-author-jen-hatmaker-it-is-high-time-christian-opened-wide-their-arms-to-the-lgbt-community.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 08, 2016, 07:22:21 pm
United Methodist Church Leaders Meeting To Discuss Acceptance Of Openly Gay Pastors

“I hope that every person who is gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, or queer in the United Methodist Church will feel a sense of strength from this wedding. Having 400 Methodists at my wedding affirm, recognize, and bless 28 years of love and life together, nobody can take that away,” he said. “No General Conference can really harm me. No bishop can hurt me when I have the womb of the church surrounding me.”

Pastor David Meredith, an ordained minister of the United Methodist Church, “married” his boyfriend of 28 years on Saturday in a potent protest against church doctrine that bans ministers from marrying same-sex partners.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,23 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: The Christian Church is under attack from within by unrepentant and unsaved LGBT pastors and church leaders who are intent on erasing the Bible’s clear teaching against homosexuality and lesbianism. Yes, saved Christians can struggle with the sin of homosexuality like any other sin. But to claim to be a Christian and believe that it’s not a sin at all is evidence you have likely not been saved. And to teach other people that God approves of homosexuality and ‘blesses it’ is a lie from the pit of Hell itself.

“I am completely aware that there are consequences, but I am not afraid,” Meredith told BuzzFeed News in a phone call before the ceremony, pointing out he could be defrocked, removed from his congregation in Cincinnati, and lose his income. The “wedding” was, of course, primarily about his union with Jim Schlachter, he said. But, he added, “if it leads to a change, it will be a big win.”

The timing was deliberate. With the church’s international voting body meeting Tuesday in Oregon, the high-profile marriage could persuade delegates at the General Conference to pass several proposals that would repeal the church’s anti-gay rules. Those rules ban clergy from being out homosexuals, prohibit clergy from marrying same-sex couples, and bar funding for LGBT-positive organizations.

Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, a professor of theology at the Chicago Theological Seminary, told BuzzFeed News, “This is a very important moment for the United Methodist Church. I think the wedding can inspire empathy among the delegates, because you have a Methodist pastor — this is one of the leaders of the church. This is someone they have ordained, and that is important to other church leaders.”

It was the latest example of a growing insurgency within the United Methodist Church, which has about 80 million followers. The church’s voting body shot down proposals in 2008 and 2012 to remove anti-gay policies. But now that the Supreme Court has scrapped marriage bans in the United States, many believe that high-profile acts of disobedience could have repercussions.

Divisions within the church could lead to a mass exodus of progressives fed up with anti-gay rules, for example. Or, so many gay Methodists could disobey church doctrine that the rules become unenforceable.

As BuzzFeed News reported last month, a Methodist minister married two gay men in North Carolina, and a formal complaint was filed within days. The local bishop launched an investigation into the minister, a straight pastor, who performed the wedding. In the past few years, another pastor was defrocked and a bishop faced an investigation for their roles in marrying gay couples.

“The church is at a boiling point over the wedding in North Carolina, and it’s going to boil even further,” Matt Berryman, the executive director of Reconciling Ministries Network, an LGBT advocacy coalition leading the charge for changing Methodist policy on sexual orientation, told BuzzFeed News. His group has assembled hundreds of congregations that are on the record supporting LGBT rights.

“This wedding is a big deal because it’s happening right before the General Conference,” he said. “It’s just a sign of what’s to come. ”

The wedding in Ohio wasn’t the first case of a United Methodist Church minister marrying a same-sex partner — there are at least three other examples in the last decade, including one in Seattle in 2013 — but the ceremony stands out for its calculated timing and geography. Held in a United Methodist Church in Columbus, it occurred in the church’s relatively conservative West Ohio Conference, where members are considered more likely to file a formal complaint.

With about 7 million members in the U.S., the United Methodist Church is the largest mainline Protestant Christian denomination. Yet, unlike several other leading denominations, such as the Episcopal Church, it has not repealed its ban on same-sex weddings.

And realistically, like its conventions in 2008 and 2012, the church’s General Conference appears unlikely to repeal the anti-gay rules this year. A majority of delegates represent foreign countries — and the church’s large, growing African contingent is overwhelmingly opposed to LGBT inclusion.

Failing to pass the proposals again would only exacerbate tensions and protest, Berryman said.

“If they don’t change the rules, the reality is that this is just the beginning,” he said. “The floodgates will open and everyone should expect to see mass civil disobedience — or biblical obedience — after the General Conference. Weddings will be happening so frequently, the church will have to lay down its arms.”

Alternatively, Thistlethwaite said, the church risks losing its members. “If they don’t pass these proposals, I really think there will be a stampeding exodus from the United Methodist Church, because young people are just not having this anymore,” she said. “They are not willing to equate religion with discrimination.”

She added that the United Church of Christ could serve as an example: After it embraced marriage equality, some members left, but now, the policy on gay rights is an asset. “We’re growing, and the others are not,” said Thistlethwaite, who belongs to the United Church of Christ.

     “I don’t feel guilty for being gay. I am a better pastor and a better disciple of Jesus because of it.”

For his part, Pastor Meredith acknowledged that the General Conference may not pass proposals striking down anti-gay church rules.

“But they can’t ignore it,” said Meredith, who added that while he is breaking parts of canon law, he is obeying teachings of the Bible. Meredith said has never hidden the fact that he is gay from the church’s hierarchy, but he has never made it impossible for them to ignore until now. “I want the policy to change, and I want the practice to change.”

“I run the risk of losing it all,” he continued. “If they want me to say I’m guilty, I won’t say ‘I am guilty.’ I will own that I am gay, but I will not own it with their language that says there’s something wrong with it. I don’t feel guilty for being gay. I am a better pastor and a better disciple of Jesus because of it.”

“It doesn’t feel like I am being brave or courageous,” he said. “Inside, it feels like I am being faithful.”
More than changing policy in the church, Meredith said he wants to change the Methodist church’s culture in Ohio

“I hope that every person who is gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, or queer in the United Methodist Church will feel a sense of strength from this wedding. Having 400 Methodists at my wedding affirm, recognize, and bless 28 years of love and life together, nobody can take that away,” he said. “No General Conference can really harm me. No bishop can hurt me when I have the womb of the church surrounding me.”

The service itself was, in parts, traditional. There were church songs and a reading of the liturgy, Meredith said. But there were also some signature pieces from the gay canon, too.

“Our closing song is from Rent.”

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/united-methodist-church-leaders-meeting-to-discuss-acceptance-of-openly-gay-pastors/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 10, 2016, 07:15:42 pm
Over 100 United Methodist Clergy Come out as LGBT

 Over 100 United Methodist clergy members have come out as LGBT as part of an effort to convince the UMC to rethink their stance on gay marriage and the LGBT community.
 
The Huffington Post reports that the leaders of the United Methodist Church are scheduled to meet in Portland to consider around 1,000 legislative petitions in favor of embracing the LGBT community in the UMC.
 
More than 100 pastors, deacons, elders, and other leaders in the UMC released a letter right before this meeting, proclaiming their solidarity with the LGBT community and revealing their own affiliation with it.
 
“Our prayer, as the church begins its time of discernment, is that you will remember that there are nameless ones around the world, hungry for a word of hope and healing,” stated the letter. “LGBTQI people and their families exist in every church in every continent of this denomination. They are seeking to remain in faithful relationship with you, even when you refuse, because they know God’s tender mercies and great faithfulness.”
 
The UMC’s official stance regarding gay marriage is that UMC clergy are not authorized to perform gay marriage ceremonies, and members of the LGBT community cannot be ordained in the church.
 
Laura Young, an ordained UMC minister based in Westerville, Ohio, explained why the issue of LGBT rights in the church is important: “I signed the letter because I think that the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy that’s been operating in the church and in our society is damaging to a person’s soul.”
 
“The policies of the United Methodist Church ask LGBT people to live in secret and hide our light. God calls us to shine our light brightly, and it’s time to change these unjust policies,” she continued.
 
Matt Berryman, the executive director of Reconciling Ministries Network, said he hopes the leaders at the UMC meeting will choose to embrace the LGBT community:
 
“By refusing to obey the rules and moving forward with what we believe to be the right thing, it shows that the rules aren’t working, and it’s time for things to change,” he said. “It’s hard to expect how the Holy Spirit will move, but we do believe that anything can happen.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/over-100-united-methodist-clergy-come-out-as-lgbt.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2016, 07:27:05 pm
Whole Foods Sues Customer for Alleged Fake ‘Gay Slur’ Claim

The Whole Foods grocery chain is suing a customer who claimed the bakery staff at a Whole Foods outlet decorated his cake with a gay slur.

“After a deeper investigation of Mr. [Jordan] Brown’s claim, we believe his accusations are fraudulent and we intend to take legal action against both Mr. Brown and his attorney,” the company said in the statement published by the Austin Statesman newspaper.

Jordan Brown, the pastor of the Church of Open Doors and an open homosexual, claimed April 18 that a bakery worker at an Austin, Texas outlet wrote the word “fag” on a cake he asked to be decorated with the words “love wins.”

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/04/Cake-Whole-Foods-640x480.jpg)
Why didnt the sodomite pastor say something as soon as he was handed the cake? You can see it clearly through the CLEAR packaging. I do not believe this sodomite at all and i really hope Whole Foods takes him to the bank. just saying, it has a clear cover. You can read it.  ::)

Brown says he didn’t tell the bakery workers he was gay and didn’t actually look at the cake until long after he left the store. The gay pastor filed a lawsuit in Travis County District court and is asking for a jury trial.

But Whole Foods is firing back, standing behind its employees and saying Brown has made a fraudulent claim.

The grocery chain released surveillance video of the checkout area showing Brown purchasing the cake and says the video invalidates the pastor’s claims.

At issue is the location of the UPC code used to ring up the price at the checkout counter.

On Monday, through his attorney, Brown showed photos of the cake box when he purchased it. The UPC sticker is clearly on the side of the box.

However, Whole Foods maintains the video of the checkout process clearly shows the cashier scanning the top of the box, not the side, to ring up the purchase.

“After reviewing their security footage of Mr. Brown, it’s clear that the UPC label was in fact on top of the cake box, not on the side of the package,” Whole Foods said in its company statement. “This is evident as the cashier scans the UPC code on top of the box,” the company said.

“We stand behind our bakery team member, who is part of the LGBTQ community, and we appreciate the team members and shoppers who recognize that this claim is completely false and directly contradicts Whole Foods Market’s inclusive culture, which celebrates diversity,” the statement concluded.

http://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2016/04/19/whole-foods-suing-customer-disputes-claim-store-bakery-cake-gay-slur-written/

‘Love Wins F**’: Gay Pastor Who Sued Whole Foods Over Shocking Cake Message Makes Major Admission

The openly gay pastor who ignited a firestorm when he sued Whole Foods over the claim that one of the supermarket chain’s stores sold him a cake with an anti-gay slur on it has officially dropped his lawsuit and apologized.

“Today I am dismissing my lawsuit against Whole Foods Market. The company did nothing wrong,” Pastor Jordan Brown said in a statement. “I was wrong to pursue this matter and use the media to perpetuate this story.”

He continued, “I want to apologize to Whole Foods and its team members for questioning the company’s commitment to its values, and especially the bakery associate who I understand was put in a terrible position because of my actions.”

    LOVE WINS FAG. That’s not the cake I ordered, @WholeFoods and I am offended for myself & the entire #LGBT community pic.twitter.com/cuxuv6mL3G

    — Jordan D Brown (@PasJordanBrown) April 18, 2016

Brown, who is gay and pastors at Open Doors in Austin, Texas, went on to apologize to the LGBTQ community for “diverting attention from real issues,” while also offering up apologies to his parter, his family, his lawyer and his church.

As TheBlaze previously reported, Brown’s initial legal battle began after he alleged last month that he ordered a cake from a local Whole Foods with the words “Love Wins” on it, but said that the final product ended up reading, “Love Wins Fag.”

Brown decided to take action, turning to the Kaplan Law Firm in Austin to bring his grievance to the courts, with a press release from the pastor’s attorney and an accompanying video featuring the cake in question quickly gaining widespread attention.

Whole Foods immediately spoke out against the claim and issued a detailed rebuke, wasting no time in announcing that the company would countersue both Brown and his lawyer.

“Mr. Brown admits that he was in sole possession and control of the cake until he posted his video, which showed the UPC label on the bottom and side of the box,” read a statement from the company. “After reviewing our security footage of Mr. Brown, it’s clear that the UPC label was in fact on top of the cake box, not on the side of the package. This is evident as the cashier scans the UPC code on top of the box.”

The company published the security footage that purportedly shows the location of the UPC label, though it is difficult to see specific details.

Watch it below:

In his initial video making his cake claim, Brown maintained that he had not opened the cake after buying it, saying, ”It’s still sealed. I have not opened this box yet. … This is discrimination.”

Whole Foods responded to Brown’s apology on Monday by announcing that it will also drop its countersuit in light of the pastor’s apology, saying that the company is “pleased that the truth has come to light.”

“Given Mr. Brown’s apology and public admission that his story was a complete fabrication, we see no reason to move forward with our counter suit to defend the integrity of our brand and team members,” the statement read.

It should also be noted that not long after the cake battle initially made headlines last month, reports claimed that Brown was himself sued in relation to an entirely different situation just a few weeks before the cake debacle, KXAN-TV reported.

According to the text of a lawsuit that the outlet claims to have received from the Travis County Clerk’s Office, Brown purportedly defaulted on a $27,000 student loan from his time studying at Slippery Rock University in Pennsylvania from 2007-2008.

The lawsuit was filed by a student loan trust on March 11, 2016, multiple outlets reported at the time.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/05/16/love-wins-f-gay-pastor-who-sued-whole-foods-over-shocking-cake-message-makes-major-admission/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 18, 2016, 09:12:40 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/map-reveals-hiv-risk-greatest-southern-cities-gay-171504756.html
New Map Reveals HIV Risk Greatest in Southern Cities for Gay, Bisexual Men
5/17/16

A map documenting HIV rates for gay and bisexual men has revealed they are most at risk for becoming infected in multiple southern cities, according to a report being presented today by Emory University researchers.

The cities with the highest rates included Columbia, South Carolina, El Paso, Texas, and Jackson, Mississippi. In these cities, more than 25 percent of men who have sex with men (MSM) had been diagnosed with HIV.

“This is really the first time we’ve been able to examine the HIV infection burden ... at such fine levels of geography,” Eli Rosenberg, assistant professor of epidemiology at Emory’s Rollins School of Public Health, said during a news conference today.

According to the report, the South is home to 21 of the 25 metropolitan areas with the highest HIV prevalence among MSM. The analysis provides “new evidence” of a growing disparity between the HIV epidemic in the South relative to the rest of the U.S. -- but it is unclear whether this says more about rising transmission rates in the South, or public health successes in other regions.

Overall, gay and bisexual men are more than 57 times more likely to be diagnosed with HIV than other men in the U.S., the study authors said.

“Where HIV is most a problem are places that are failing gay men,” said George Ayala, executive director of the Global Forum on MSM and HIV, a leading advocacy group that was not involved in the report.

Where health systems fail, according to Ayala, is in the process of identifying people who have HIV and immediately linking them with care. Gay and bisexual men may be more likely to face additional barriers such as poverty and stigma, he said.

Because federal and state funding for HIV prevention can be directed to where the disease hits hardest, knowing where HIV is most concentrated may enable public health agencies and local organizations to tweak how they distribute resources at the local level, according to Rosenberg.

“We really want this to be a tool for public health practitioners and policy makers,” he said.

While the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention publishes the prevalence of HIV among different races and age groups, it reports only the raw number of cases among MSM. The Emory researchers used other national surveys, such as the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, to estimate where MSM were distributed across the country.

Estimates of MSM by race are also not available, though the CDC estimated in February that half of black MSM and a quarter of Latino MSM will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime.

“To stop the spread of HIV in the U.S., we have to understand how, where, and among whom the epidemic is striking the hardest,” Dr. Jonathan Mermin, director of CDC’s National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD and TB Prevention, said during today's news conference.

Mermin said that a major focus of HIV prevention programs will be expanding access to HIV testing, treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), especially among gay and bisexual men of color and transgender individuals. The CDC earmarks targeted funds as a supplement to state and local health departments.

According to one CDC study, these programs could prevent up to 70 percent of new infections over the next five years.

That's why experts say it is important that southern states and cities get on board. CDC data show that the South lags behind the rest of the U.S. when it comes to HIV-positive people getting the treatment they need, or even knowing they’re infected in the first place, Mermin said.

“You see disease concentrated in places that are poorly supported in terms of health infrastructure,” said Ayala. “Those things are really an important part of the story to tell about HIV in the United States."



Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 19, 2016, 04:16:14 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/how-barack-obama-created-the-transgender-construct-to-completely-reset-american-society/

How Barack Obama Created The Transgender Construct To Completely Reset American Society

Barack Hussein Obama came out of the end times chute like a bullet, a man seemingly possessed of a single mission to radically transform the moral and ethical fabric of American society. In that regard he has been overwhelmingly successful. Here is the official White House 'short list' of his 'accomplishments' with regards to installing the LGBT Mafia as the ruling body in American government.Barack Hussein Obama came out of the end times chute like a bullet, a man seemingly possessed of a single mission to radically transform the moral and ethical fabric of American society. In that regard he has been overwhelmingly successful. Here is the official White House 'short list' of his 'accomplishments' with regards to installing the LGBT Mafia as the ruling body in American government.

5/19/16

Barack Obama may not be the Biblical Antichrist, but he sure comes close

“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Daniel 7:25 (KJV)

I grew up in the semi-rural village of Pompton Lakes, New Jersey back in the 1970’s. In math class, I looked out the window at dairy cows grazing in the fields. It was a very small, quiet, insulated little town where everyone knew everyone else. Amazingly, we were only 27 miles as the crow flies from the largest city in the world, Manhattan. But entering within our borders it could have been the middle of Kansas if you didn’t know better. It was a great place to grow up and I have many wonderful memories of my life there.

Our main street was filled with the usual assortment of small town characters, with one exception. Roger. Roger Brown was a man who lived in the transient hotel up over the hair salon, and among his many personality quirks and foibles, one stood out from all the rest. Roger liked to wear women’s clothing, kinda like Klinger from MAS*H. Everybody knew who he was, and to a large degree no one bothered him as far as I know. He was never persecuted for his beliefs or taste in clothing. That being said, no one in town thought that how he lived as either an OK thing or a good thing. Christian parents would use him as an illustration to their children of what sin can do to you, and where it can take you.

His lifestyle was given no preference of any kind. When he had to use the bathroom, he went in the Men’s room like every other man in town. No special accommodations for his lifestyle choice, and rightly so. Wearing a dress or having breast implants does not ‘make you a woman’, what you ‘identify as’ is of no consequence. But 7 years ago we elected a man who would not only change the moral fabric of our society, but glorify all manner of sin, filth and perversion.

In 2016 in America, Barack Obama has fundamentally transformed our nation into something unrecognizable

Barack Hussein Obama came out of the end times chute like a bullet, a man seemingly possessed of a single mission to radically transform the moral and ethical fabric of American society. In that regard he has been overwhelmingly successful. Here is the official White House ‘short list’ of his ‘accomplishments’ with regards to installing the LGBT Mafia as the ruling body in American government.
•June 2009: Issued a directive on same-sex domestic partner benefits, opening the door for the State Department to extend the full range of legally available benefits and allowances to same-sex domestic partners of members of the Foreign Service sent to serve abroad. OPM also expanded federal benefits for same-sex partners of federal employees and allowed same-sex domestic partners to apply for long-term care insurance.
•October 2009, President Obama signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr., Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law, extending coverage of federal hate crimes law to include attacks based on the victim’s actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity—the first federal civil rights legislation to include “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.”
•March 2010: The Affordable Care Act funds preventive efforts for communities, and is making other investments that will help address health disparities. Through increased research and data collection on health disparities, policymakers will have the knowledge and tools they need to continue to address the health needs and concerns of the LGBT community.
•April 2010: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) now requires all hospitals receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds to allow visitation rights for LGBT patients. The President also directed HHS to ensure that medical decision making rights of LGBT patients are respected.
•December 2010: The President signed the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010  into law, allowing gay men and women to serve openly and with integrity in the U.S. military.
•February 2011: The Administration announced it would cease legal defense of the Defense of Marriage Act’s provision defining marriage as only between a man and woman.
•February 2013: The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) issued a Directive to specify care that is available to transgender veterans through VA benefits. The VA also launched an LGBT Veteran welcoming outreach campaign and established several new psychology postdoctoral fellowships specializing in LGBT health.
•February 2013: President Obama signed the VAWA reauthorization with important new provisions to protect LGBT victims of violence.
•June 2013: The Administration announced the first ever national study of discrimination in housing against LGBT persons and proposed new regulations to ensure that housing programs are open to all persons regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.
•June 2013: After the United States v. Windsor decision, in which the Supreme Court struck down Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act as unconstitutional, the President instructed the Cabinet to review all federal statutes to ensure the decision was implemented swiftly and smoothly. After concluding its review, the Justice Department announced that in almost all instances it will extend benefits to same-sex married couples.
•March 2014: The Community Relations Service at the Department of Justice released a new training module for law enforcement professionals who interact with and protect transgender persons who may be victimized by crime.
•July 2014: The President signed an Executive Order prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating against any employee or applicant for employment “because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or national origin,” continuing to set an example as a model employer that does right by its employees.
•December 2014: The Attorney General released “Guidance for Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Regarding the Use of Race, Ethnicity, Gender, National Origin, Religion, Sexual Orientation, or Gender Identity” which prohibits profiling based on sexual orientation or gender identity by federal law enforcement or local law enforcement working on federal task forces.

When you view the changes Barack Obama has made in bullet point fashion, the scope and depth is literally breathtaking. Have you ever asked yourself how one of the tiniest population groups in America, the LGBT, who according to government statistics make up only from 3-5% of our overall population, could effect such drastic change? And the amount of the population that ‘identify’ as transgender is smaller still than that. So how can this be happening?

Easy, Barack Obama is their champion, and he is forcing our society to completely rework itself to accommodate the preferences and perversions of the LGBT population. Mark my words, before it’s all over, if it ever is over, the government will call for and get protections for pedophiles and child molesters. They are contained under the LGBT umbrella as well. Obama is using the phony transgender construct to force change and destroy our society from the inside out. And we are letting him do it.

Where is the outrage from Christian America? Where are the million-man protests at the White House? Wake up, wake up!

“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.” Luke 17:28,29 (KJV)

Barack Obama may not be the Biblical Antichrist, but he sure comes close. But we strongly believe that God allowed him to become president as a judgment on America for our unwillingness to repent. God has given this nation over, allowing us to heap to ourselves every variety and style of sin we wish to embrace, and then will come on us the same destruction that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah.

So the next time you feel tempted to ‘congratulate yourself’ on how ‘tolerant and accepting’ America has become over the past 7 years, look up, because one day soon our judgment will turn from spiritual to physical, and you will feel what Sodom felt on the day it rained fire and brimstone.

Count on it.


Title: The Coming of Our LORD could be Sooner Than We Think!!!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 20, 2016, 09:38:55 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/obama-appoints-transgender-man-barbara-satin-to-faith-based-advisory-board-position/
5/20/16

Obama Appoints Transgender Man Barbara Satin To Serve On ‘Faith Based’ Advisory Board

Barbara Satin is now involved with a number of homosexual and transgender advocacy groups and was invited to the White House earlier this year to speak to the Obama administration about housing issues for seniors who identify as homosexual or transgender.


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Title: Re: The Coming of Our LORD could be Sooner Than We Think!!!!
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 21, 2016, 12:08:21 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/huffington-post-blasphemously-declares-jesus-christ-first-transgender-man/

Huffington Post Blasphemously Declares That Jesus Christ Is The ‘First Transgender Man’

The woman who wrote this article, if she is saved at all, is the perfect picture of the Laodicean Christian. Her erroneous supposition that Jesus was born 'genetically female' fails to take into consideration that the Holy Spirit, who conceived Jesus in Mary, is male.

5/21/16

How wicked and lost has society become that the idea of a transgender Jesus could even be discussed?

“Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” Jude 1:11-13 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: Below you will see the Huffington Post article claiming that the sinless Son of God, Jesus Christ, is the world’s ‘first transgender man’. We have published it in it’s entirety unedited so you can get the full scope of the blasphemy it contains. But know this, in these last days in which we live, this is what the Church will become. A lukewarm, clueless, blessings centered, self focused group of people who have no knowledge of Bible doctrine and have put Jesus Himself on the outside of His own church, knocking to be let back in. All manner of perversion has begin to creep into it unchecked as the great ‘falling away’ continues at full speed. The woman who wrote this article, if she is saved at all, is the perfect picture of the Laodicean Christian. Her erroneous supposition that Jesus was born ‘genetically female’ fails to take into consideration that the Holy Spirit, who conceived Jesus in Mary, is male.

REPRINTED FROM THE HUFFINGTON POST:

The current flap in conservative Christian circles about bathroom access is a bit baffling. They shout about God not making mistakes, as if God only works in binaries and anything falling outside of black and white cannot be from him. But we don’t have a black and white God; creation is so full of color and variation that it’s incomprehensible how we Christians struggle to pare him down to the limited palette of our individual expectations.

The worst offenders are the Christian’s who claim to take the Bible literally. Of course they don’t actually do that; they impose their own filters on stories and phrases to fit their particular ideology. If they really did as they claim to do, they would quickly see that Jesus must be, by their own exegetical rules, the first transgender male.

Let’s take a look at what the Bible and Christianity tell us.

The teaching of the church from ancient days through today is that Jesus received his fleshly self from Mary. The church also teaches that Jesus is the new Adam, born of the new Eve.

Now Eve is a fascinating creature for many reasons. The Bible tells us she is the first example of human cloning, which I touched on in this post. But the fun doesn’t stop there. If we take the Genesis account in it’s literal meaning, as conservative Christians demand that we do, she is also the first case of a transgender woman. God reached into Adam, pulled out a bit of rib bone, and grew Eve from that XY DNA into Adam’s companion. She was created genetically male, and yet trans-formed into woman.

Then along comes Jesus and the whole pattern is both repeated and reversed. The first couple’s refusal to cooperate is turned around by Mary’s yes, and the second act of cloning occurs. The Holy Spirit comes upon the second Eve, and the child takes flesh from her and is born. Born of her flesh. Born with XX chromosome pairing. Born genetically female, and yet trans-formed into man.

States that do not support trans persons’ right to choose the restroom that fits their identity demand that bathroom usage be based on a person’s “biological sex.” One can imagine a future in which state licences require not only a vision test, but also a genetic test so that bouncers proofing at bathroom doors have something tangible to review. And that means that if Jesus and Eve were walking around today, perhaps shopping at the mall for a Father’s Day gift, they’d have to swap restrooms. Now Jesus could surely manage to finesse his way around a woman’s room, but poor Eve…

A quick look at the dictionary for the prefix “trans” tells us that it means “across,” “beyond,” “through,” and “changing thoroughly,” all of which are great terms for the person of Christ. He cuts across all boundaries. He is beyond our understanding. He is through all and in all. He changes us thoroughly into new creations.

In his person, and in his salvific actions, Jesus is truly the first and forever trans man. source


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: FervorForFaith on May 21, 2016, 07:39:07 pm
What on earth is the matter with people?

Huffington Post comes out with honestly some of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and the Lord Jesus Christ being the first "transgender man" ranks as probably the stupidest ever.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 21, 2016, 10:48:57 pm
What on earth is the matter with people?

Huffington Post comes out with honestly some of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and the Lord Jesus Christ being the first "transgender man" ranks as probably the stupidest ever.

I don't know when the rapture will happen - but nonetheless not in a million years did I ever think it would come as LOW AS THIS!

Inadvertantly walking into the women's restroom was one of my top 5 most embarrassing moments (yes, did so when I was a LOST man 20 years ago). And as much as I rejected Jesus (before I got saved) all those years - even I would have found this "transgender Jesus" DISGUSTING as a lost man as well.

Like I said - I don't know when the rapture will happen, but please, PLEASE everyone guard your hearts with the written word of God as much as possible, b/c pretty soon it's going to come to a point when 99% of everything we look at has perversion in it!


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on May 23, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
Church of Scotland Votes to Allow Appointment of Clergy in Same-Sex ‘Marriages’

The Church of Scotland, while stating that it “maintains its traditional view of marriage between a man and woman,” has voted to allow the appointment of clergy who are in same-sex “marriages.”

The 339-215 vote in Edinburgh allows individual congregations who disagree with the denomination’s stance on marriage to opt-out and select leaders who have “wed” their homosexual partners. The Assembly had been attended by 850 commissioners throughout Scotland, Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East and the United States.

“Today’s decision means it will be possible for Kirk sessions and congregations to depart from the traditional understanding of marriage to call not only potentially a minister in a civil partnership but one who is in a same-sex marriage,” John Chalmers, principal clerk to the General Assembly, told the BBC.

He outlined that the vote does not allow clergy, however, to officiate same-sex nuptials.

“We had a debate which made very clear that we were not interfering with our theological definition of marriage and were not going to the place where ministers or deacons could themselves be conducting same-sex marriages,” Chalmers said. “It is an entirely different discussion.”

A vote on the matter will be held next year after the Theological Forum presents a report.

“[F]or many people, what today was about was simply tidying up and making the law of the church consistent with Scots law,” Chalmers explained. “Today I think people came to this decision with their minds on law and practice and not on theology and future practice.”

He opined following the vote that he hoped the denomination would now “put this issue to one side and we can now get on with what I believe are important issues—developing our vision for the church, increasing membership and developing our work around mission.”

But others, such as David Robertson, moderator of the Free Church of Scotland, found the outcome of the vote to be disappointing.

“It is a sad day for all the Christian churches in Scotland when what used to be the National Kirk, has now departed so clearly from the Bible,” he said. “In adopting this policy the Church of Scotland has not only dissociated itself from the vast majority of Christian churches throughout the world, but has lost all claim to be the National Church for Scotland.”

“It no longer speaks for Scotland and it no longer represents Scotland’s Christians,” Robertson continued. “We simply state ‘not in our name.'”

The Church of Scotland is known for its part in the Protestant Reformation of the 1500’s, when it broke ties with Roman Catholics under the leadership of John Knox.

“But hereof be assured, that all is not lawful nor just that is statute by civil laws,” Knox once declared.

“Neither can oath nor promise bind any such people to obey and maintain tyrants against God and against His truth known,” he also stated.

http://christiannews.net/2016/05/22/church-of-scotland-votes-to-allow-appointment-of-clergy-in-same-sex-marriages/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 24, 2016, 01:12:27 am
FWIW, it's come to a point now where you pretty much understand these news articles, just by reading a mere couple of paragraphs.

Yeah, we are in those very days where evil has hit really rock bottom.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 26, 2016, 02:55:35 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/church-scotland-votes-to-allow-sodomite-ministers-engage-in-same-sex-marriages/
5/26/16

Church of Scotland Votes To Allow Sodomite Ministers To Be In Same-Sex Marriages

The general assembly of the Church of Scotland, which opened in Edinburgh on Saturday, voted in favour of extending a law passed last May that permits ministers to be in same-sex civil partnerships.


The Church of Scotland’s highest law-making body has voted to allow its ministers to be in same-sex marriages

The church’s general assembly, which opened in Edinburgh on Saturday, voted in favour of extending a law passed last May that permits ministers to be in same-sex civil partnerships.

The decision, after years of deliberation, means the church maintains the traditional view marriage as between a man and woman, but allows individual congregations to “opt out” if they wish to appoint a minister or deacon in a same-sex marriage or civil partnership.

Any wider consideration of the theological understanding of same-sex marriage will not take place until the Theological Forum presents its report to the church next year.

More than 850 commissioners from across Scotland, the rest of the UK, Africa, Asia, North America, Europe, the Middle East and the Caribbean registered to attend this year’s assembly, which began with a ceremony at the Assembly Hall attended by Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon.

The opening saw the appointment of a new moderator, after the Right Rev Dr Angus Morrison stood down from the 12-month role. He was replaced by the Rev Dr Russell Barr, the founder of the Edinburgh-based homelessness charity Fresh Start.


Morrison said he felt a “sense of gratitude, relief and heartfelt appreciation” as he left the post, while Barr said his predecessor was a “great ambassador for the Church of Scotland”.

A letter from the Queen, highlighting the church’s efforts in the refugee crisis, was read aloud as the assembly got under way. She wrote: “At a time of such upheaval and unrest across the world, it is reassuring to hear that the Church of Scotland has made a particular priority of working to develop a coordinated response to the issues affecting refugees and asylum seekers.

“This international crisis requires a compassionate and generous response and we are pleased that in keeping with your priority to serve the poorest and most vulnerable, you are making such a valuable contribution.”

The Queen also acknowledged the church’s contribution to the United Nations climate change conference in Paris last year. source


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on June 02, 2016, 05:44:11 pm
Mennonite Leader’s Credentials Suspended for ‘Ministerial Misconduct’ in Officiating ‘Gay Wedding’

A Mennonite leader in North Carolina has had his ministerial credentials suspended for officiating a same-sex “marriage” ceremony despite denominational prohibitions against the practice.


The Virginia Mennonite Conference suspended Isaac Villegas’ credentials on May 25. Villegas had been leading Chapel Hill Mennonite Fellowship in North Carolina and officiated a ceremony between two women on May 21.

Officiating such services requires an immediate suspension as per Conference guidelines.

“We hold the Confession of Faith in a Mennonite Perspective (1995) to be the teaching position of the Mennonite Church USA. Thus ‘We believe that God intends marriage to be a covenant between one man and one woman for life,’” an online copy of the guidelines reads.

“Given the membership guidelines of the Mennonite Church USA, if a credentialed person conducts a covenanting ceremony for a same sex couple, their credentials will be immediately suspended while a review is underway,” it continues.

There are a variety of other sinful behaviors that also warrant suspension, including sexual abuse or harassment, the viewing of pornography and acts of physical violence.

Two days before his credentials were suspended, Villegas resigned from his position on the Mennonite Church USA Executive Board, citing a policy that he was encouraged to resign in February after expressing his intentions to officiate the service.

“The board has to manage a diversity of theological convictions in our denomination, and I understand their perspective on what is most helpful for board members to do and not do,” he wrote in his resignation letter according to Mennonite World Review. “So for those reasons I can understand why it is helpful to not have a member of the board who doesn’t follow part III of the Membership Guidelines.”

However, Villegas also opined that he wants Mennonite Church USA to change its stance on homosexuality.

“I hope that soon we will loosen the grip upon our lives of the denomination’s teaching position regarding sexuality; that soon we will no longer teach that queer desire is sinful; that soon we will let our churches bless those who wish to marry, whether gay or straight,” he said.

Villegas said that Chapel Hill Mennonite Fellowship concluded three years ago following an 18-month period of “discernment” that those who engage in homosexual behavior would not be prohibited from membership. He asserted that the decision was guided by God.

“In all of our discussions with our conference minister and the Faith and Life Commission, they did not seem willing to change their minds about the policy of the conference regarding people who are gay and lesbian, despite our congregational discernment,” Villegas said. “They seemed to be unwilling to listen to what our congregation was discerning about the direction of the Holy Spirit.”

However, as previously reported, one Mennonite congregation broke ties with Mennonite Church USA in 2014 over concerns that it was not doing enough to take a stand for biblical truth and to discipline those involved in homosexual relationships.

“We felt that Mennonite Church USA and [our church] were going in different directions concerning Scriptural authority and holiness,” Ross Miller, pastor of Hartville Mennonite Church in Lake, Ohio told the Mennonite World Review.

“We felt very strongly that that’s where God was calling us, but it was a very painful decision [to leave],” he said.

http://christiannews.net/2016/06/01/mennonite-leaders-credentials-suspended-for-ministerial-misconduct-in-officiating-gay-wedding/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on June 06, 2016, 01:28:49 pm
Lesbian Episcopal Priest Elizabeth M. Edman Says LGBTQ Pride Will ‘Revitalize Christianity’

Redeeming and embracing pride is “a narrow road, and it is challenging to walk,” Edman writes. “But it is no harder than the immense challenges faced by the prophets.” And this is precisely where homosexuals can help Christians, Edman insists, but only if Christians are willing to learn.

In a recent essay in Salon Magazine, the Reverend Elizabeth M. Edman argues for the power of “queer virtue” to combat “heteronormativity” and revitalize a Christianity that is too wedded to traditional ideas of human sexuality and marriage.

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.” Romans 12:1 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: In this down-is-up end times world in which we live, the LGBTQ are attempting to turn the Church of Jesus Christ into a queer paradise where God somehow now approves of what He wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah for doing. The Bible says that homosexuality and lesbianism are sins to be repented of, not celebrated. Pride is the sin of the Devil, so it’s little wonder that they call it the Pride Movement.

An Episcopal priest and a political strategist, Edman attempts to redeem the concept of “Pride” as central to the LGBT movement and integral to an authentically Christian life.

In her essay—excerpted from the book titled Queer Virtue: What LGBTQ People Know About Life and Love and How It Can Revitalize Christianity—Edman laments that in Christian scripture and hymnody, pride is “condemned as a glaring and destructive human sin,” when in her mind it is a good and virtuous attitude.

“The complexity of these dynamics makes many of us queers keenly aware that our Pride is born of something deep within that connects us to one another, and also to something bigger than all of us,” Edman writes, which might indeed be God.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

As biblical examples of pride, Edman enumerates several figures, including Moses and the Virgin Mary, as well as Abraham and the prophet Samuel. She fails to mention, however, that the same Bible refers to Moses as “the humblest man on the face of the earth.”

She also somehow misses the text where Mary says that God “has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts,” and bringing down the powerful, has “lifted up the lowly.”
It does seem oddly consistent, however, that an attempt to turn homosexual relations into a good and Godly act would be paired with an effort to rehabilitate pride and turn the sin of Satan into a virtue.

As Christian apologist C.S. Lewis famously wrote, “the essential vice, the utmost evil, is Pride,” adding that “it was through Pride that the devil became the devil.”

“Pride leads to every other vice,” Lewis wrote, and is “the complete anti-God state of mind.” “Cultivating Pride is tricky for Christians,” Edman admits, while adding that “Christians have a trickier path here than queers do.”

“Redeeming and embracing pride is “a narrow road, and it is challenging to walk,” Edman writes. “But it is no harder than the immense challenges faced by the prophets.” And this is precisely where homosexuals can help Christians, Edman insists, but only if Christians are willing to learn.

“If we are to use queerness to help us understand our own identities and Pride, Christians must become aware of and resist the impulse, conscious or subconscious, to deny the existence of LGBTQ people,” she writes.

“Our attempts to proclaim a more authentic Gospel will not go far enough unless and until we become conscious of heteronormative impulses within our tradition and work to dismantle them,” she says.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

This is the onerous task that Rev. Edman proposes, one that involves stripping the Bible of its “heteronormativity” and remaking Christianity in the image of a society that glorifies gender fluidity and pansexualism.

“Queerfolk will tell you: for us, rooting out all the internalized homophobia/biphobia/ transphobia/queerphobia is a lifelong endeavor,” Edman writes.

A good many Christians will hope she never succeeds. For Christians to embrace sodomy as sacred and pride as virtue is to turn the teachings of Jesus on their head. This might sound good to the Reverend Edman, but to most of the rank-and-file faithful it sounds suspiciously like evil. source

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/lesbian-episcopal-priest-elizabeth-edman-says-lgbtq-pride-will-revitalize-christianity/


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Post by: Mark on June 11, 2016, 07:00:31 pm
Churches bring messages of openness to Indy's Pride festival

Smiling parade-goers of the 2016 Cadillac Barbie IN Pride Parade filled the streets of Downtown Indianapolis on Saturday. Cars honked, rainbow-beads-wearing marchers skipped, and members of various organizations waved rainbow flags and signs as Circle City IN Pride festival-goers shouted their support.

Businesses and local residents have shown support for the LGBTQ community at Pride events in Indianapolis since 1988. Churches have been there, too.

"There's an enormous array of diversity here, and we want to be like Jesus and reach out to people who have been shunned. Like he did." said Rev. Michael Montgomery, leader of Indianapolis’ First Congregational United Church of Christ and a first-time Pride-goer.

There was diversity in religion on the parade route.

“Quakers support the LGBTQ!” read one of the signs, held high and waved to cheers from the crowd. Smiling members of religious organizations such as St. Peter’s Church, Christian Theological Seminary and Unity of Indianapolis followed. “Jesus doesn’t discriminate” and “Jesus Loves ALL people” were yelled in response to the members’ raised messages, Jesus’ name in rainbow colors.

The experience was “very impressive,” for Montgomery.

“People don’t believe there are churches open for them if they’re curious -- and I want them to know that Jesus didn’t teach hatred,” he said.

The United Church of Christ has been coming to Pride for 12 years. But Montgomery has only been in Indianapolis since July, so Pride was a novel but important event for him to attend.

The United Church of Christ congregation voted to be “openly affirming” in 1994 and had a booth set up with information about their congregations. Montgomery said he was encouraged to see corporations here “making bold steps” toward helping the LGBTQ community in Indiana.

“No matter who you are, or where you are on life’s journey, you are welcome here,” read the message on the church's pamphlets.

Haley Dillon, with a unicorn horn on her head, wanted to experience the feeling of welcome at her second Pride festival. She was encouraged to represent the bisexual community and diffuse assumptions that LGBTQ only covered homosexual orientations.

“A lot of the times, people want to exclude the outer edges of the LGBTQ community,” she said. “There’s a lot of people that say ‘bi people are like unicorns, they don’t exist,’ so I dressed like one to show that, yes, we do exist. I wanted to be here for a reason.”

Dillon marched in the 2015 parade with Planned Parenthood but took a break this year to watch with her friend, Zachary “Hedwig” Allen. Allen wanted to bring awareness to the trans community and cross-dressed with a blonde wig, bustier and fishnet tights.

“Pride is something I’ve always wanted to do, and I finally got around to it,” Allen said. “A lot of people are anti-trans right now, and I want to make it clear that we are not going to be silenced! I’m not dressing the way my government says.”

Protections for transgender individuals were left out of state legislation designed to ban discrimination based on sexual orientation, but that measure failed earlier this year. That result left festival-goer Tyler Moore uncomfortable.

“I’m here because things like Pride are even more important, given the issues in our state,” he said. “We have to convey to people in our community that’s not how everyone in Indianapolis thinks. Not everyone is a bigot here. We need to move forward.”

Moore says he is gay and loves seeing people bond together in “such a red state!”

City ordinances in Indianapolis currently protect against anti-gay discrimination in the workplace, but not for transgendered individuals.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/06/11/churches-bring-messages-openness-indys-pride-festival/85768050/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 14, 2016, 11:05:22 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/06/14/california-pastor-resigns-over-gay-marriage-stance/85886338/
6/14/16
California pastor resigns over gay marriage stance

INDIAN WELLS, Calif. — The top pastor of Southwest Church in Indian Wells was asked to resign because he refused to condemn homosexuality, he explained in his resignation letter.

A few months ago, Gerald Sharon — who has been lead pastor of Southwest since 2013 and previously served at Saddleback Church in Orange County — asked the church hierarchy to look into “the extent to which a homosexual individual could be involved in the life of Southwest Church.”

While the church leadership initially seemed engaged in the discussions, they recently sent Sharon a letter in which they unanimously affirmed the Southwest’s current position on homosexuality.

Southwest’s LGBT policy is written down in a document titled “Homosexuality and Human Sexuality.” The document does not appear to be publicly available.

“My heart sank realizing that no homosexual person who would read these documents would truly feel welcome at Southwest Church,” Sharon wrote in his resignation letter.

“And, if the positions held in these papers are followed, they will effectively exclude homosexual individuals from the life of Southwest. My desire was to rescind these papers, neither affirming nor condemning homosexuality so that all individuals regardless of their perspective could feel completely welcome and fully loved at Southwest.”

Sharon’s resignation is effective July 8, but the church elders have forbidden him from attending any services at Southwest, according to the resignation letter.

“The reason I have not taught the past four weekends is because the Elders would not permit me to, nor did they want Gesa and I even attending services,” the pastor wrote. “However, I don’t want there to be any doubt that my heart and Gesa’s heart intensely longs for you every day.”

Church elders announced Sharon's abrupt departure to their members during Saturday's evening service, hours before a gunman killed 49 people in a gay nightclub in Orlando. Several families walked out of the service after hearing the elders' message.

“I couldn’t support their decision,” Paula Marvin said. “I just looked at my husband and said ‘so you want to leave?’”



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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 16, 2016, 03:36:41 pm
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gay-republican-chris-barron-says-donald-trump-most-lgbt-friendly-nominee-1565893?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
Gay Republican Chris Barron says Donald Trump is the most LGBT-friendly nominee
6/16/16

Gay Republican activist Chris Barron has an effort to call on LGBT people to support Donald Trump in the upcoming presidential election. According to Barron, Trump is the "most pro-gay Republican nominee ever".

Barron is the co-founder of GoProud, a conservative gay group and a strategist for the Republican Party. He said that the issues Trump focused on, such as terrorism, healthcare, retirement security and jobs, were all reasons for LGBT Americans to vote for him.

Speaking to CNN, Barron said: "All of those issues impact the LGBT community. I have no doubt that Donald Trump presidency would be better for LGBT Americans. In this election, either Hillary Clinton is going to be the next President of the United States or Donald Trump is. For me, despite my differences with Trump in the past, it was a slam dunk, I want Donald Trump to be the President."

However, Barron hasn't always been a fan of Trump and was actually a harsh critic of the Republican nominee during the primaries. At the time, Barron even tweeted: "We are keeping lists of you Trump people. You will never live this shame down. If you support Trump, you are an idiot."

Defending his comments, Barron said that the primaries had been exciting but that the Republicans now needed to understand that the White House is at stake. He insisted that it was time to put aside differences and urged Republicans to rally behind their nominee.

Barron said: "Does that mean that I loved Donald Trump during the primaries or that he was my preferred candidate? Absolutely not. Does that mean that I'm going to take my ball and go home now and support Hillary Clinton? No, absolutely not."

Barron's comments come one day after Dan Savage, American writer and LGBT activist, called Trump the "enemy of the LGBT community". When asked about Trump's stance on LGBT issues, Barron said that Trump can disagree on the topic of gay marriage, but would be unable to change anything.

He said: "Donald Trump can say that he disagrees on the issue of marriage but it's a settled issue. We're not going to have a constitutional amendment; we're not going to have the Supreme Court reserve it."


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 20, 2016, 01:12:31 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611B8i34Cfk


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Post by: Mark on June 20, 2016, 07:59:18 pm
University Founded by Methodist Church to Offer Sex Change Surgeries to Students

A private university in Tennessee that was founded by the Methodist Church will soon begin covering transgender-related surgeries under its student insurance plans, drawing sharp criticism from a local congresswoman.

Vanderbilt University is a private school in Nashville, Tennessee. For the first 40 years of its existence, Vanderbilt was under the auspices of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. However, the school and the church severed their ties with each other in 1914.

According to a report from Vanderbilt’s student newspaper, the school will soon begin covering transgender-related surgeries under the student insurance plan. Medical documentation obtained by Christian News Network shows that the operations will be covered just like “any other eligible service” once the policy goes into effect at the beginning of the 2016-2017 school year, meaning students will not have to pay for the surgeries out of pocket.

Over 70 colleges and universities across the U.S. currently provide similar services to their students. Evidently, a small number of activists at Vanderbilt convinced university officials to include sex-change surgeries in the insurance plan.

“The change was proposed by Dr. Louise Hanson, director of the Vanderbilt student health center, after she met with several student patients who wanted to pursue the operations but couldn’t afford them,” the student newspaper’s report said.

Hanson said she was upset that some students could not afford sex-change surgeries and urged the university to finance the operations.

“It came out of feeling limited in our ability to take full and complete care of our transgender students,” Hanson told The Tennessean. “It really came out of our frustration.”

Cynthia Cyrus, vice provost for learning and residential affairs at Vanderbilt, was part of the committee that considered Hanson’s proposal. She said they swiftly approved the proposition without much deliberation.

“It was relatively non-controversial on our side,” Cyrus said, according to reports. “It was maybe a two-paragraph conversation, not deeply debated in any way.”

Although university officials are downplaying the controversial nature of the policy change, at least one local lawmaker is criticizing the school’s decision. In a statement on her website, U.S. Representative Diane Black said the move lacks common sense.

“Let’s be honest, this decision is not about the health and wellbeing of Vanderbilt University students, it is about the political agenda of liberal university administrators,” said Black, who represents Tennessee’s 6th Congressional District. “Our institutions of higher learning exist to graduate students who are career ready and are prepared to compete in the global economy, not to play politics by providing insurance coverage of medically unnecessary procedures while raking in federal grants.”

“With this stunt, Vanderbilt University has shown itself to be completely out of touch with the values of most Tennesseans, and has surely alienated more than a few students, parents, and donors,” she continued. “I’m especially concerned that, by the university’s own admission, this decision was ‘not deeply debated in any way’—showing just how little thought went in to such a far-reaching policy. For all the advanced degrees that exist among Vanderbilt University’s senior administration, there is a painfully obvious lack of commonsense.”

http://christiannews.net/2016/06/20/university-founded-by-methodist-church-to-offer-sex-change-surgeries-to-students/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on June 28, 2016, 10:52:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCuHPmw2_Sc


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 01, 2016, 10:15:00 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chose-live-transgender-congressional-nominee-000000592.html
'I chose to live': Transgender congressional nominee Misty Plowright talks about her historic victory
7/1/16

This week, Democratic congressional hopeful Misty Plowright became one of two transgender women named Misty to win a major-party primary vote, something no transgender person had done before.

Plowright will challenge Rep. Doug Lamborn in Colorado, and Misty Snow will run against Sen. Mike Lee in Utah this November.

The 33-year-old Plowright joined Yahoo News guest anchor Stephanie Sy from Denver on Friday to talk about her historic primary victory, serving in the military under the transgender ban and her dilemma over whom to vote for in the presidential election.

Growing up Southern Baptist in northwest Arkansas, Plowright felt “pretty early on” that she identified as female, but had no idea what that meant or how to articulate it, she told Sy.

It wasn’t until her teenage years that she actually started to “figure out what was going on,” but even then, “it wasn’t something I could talk about or try to get help with, so it got suppressed.”

Then in 2004, after completing her service in the Army, Plowright said, “I couldn’t suppress it anymore.”

“It was kind of a do or die moment for me, and I chose to live.”

It seems especially fitting, then, that in the same week she became the Democratic congressional nominee for Colorado’s most conservative district, the U.S. military lifted its longtime ban on transgender troops — a move that Plowright, a veteran of the Army, called “long overdue.”

The ban “certainly kept me from being open about who I was,” Plowright said, adding, “Trans people having to suppress their identity is, in a lot of ways, it’s soul crushing.”

Even with the ban lifted, Plowright predicts that “being out in the military will be very challenging for a while.”

“It takes time for certain mindsets to change,” she said. “But that change is happening, and it will get a lot easier as time goes by.”


Plowright also dismissed concerns expressed by some that allowing transgender troops to serve openly could somehow affect troop readiness.

“That gets said anytime anything in the military changes to make it more inclusive,” she said. “There might be issues occasionally here and there from people who are intolerant or can’t get over it, but the reality of the situation is these people can do the job, and that’s what’s really important for unit readiness.”

In general, Plowright said, “I don’t see any reason to bar anyone from serving that wants to and is capable of performing the job.”

It’s this kind of attitude that appears to be driving Plowright’s run for Congress.

When asked how her largely conservative constituency has responded to the fact that she and her wife of nine years are currently in a polyamorous relationship with a man, the candidate said that “so far the voters that I’ve talked to frankly don’t really care that much.”

“They’re much more interested in issues like jobs, national security, defense, guns, property rights,” she said. “They’re very interested in the issues, not so much my personal life.”

Perhaps that’s because, as Plowright pointed out, she’s long kept the two separate, choosing to focus her political platform more on the economy, for example, rather than LGBTQ rights.

“It’s not really a fight that I’ve been involved in much in the past,” she said. “For a very long time I’ve been quite content to stay in the shadows where it’s safe. But to really effect change, you have to get out there, you have to be willing to put it all on the line.”

If elected, Plowright said, she would support any sort of action to end discrimination, arguing that while last year’s Supreme Court ruling on marriage equality was certainly a watershed moment for gay rights, “there’s still a lot of work to be done.”

“The trans community faces a lot of issues that the gay community largely doesn’t have to worry about,” she said. “The bathroom bills are a perfect example.”

As Plowright proceeds to seek support for her own campaign, she’s also bracing for a difficult decision at the polls this November. An ardent Bernie Sanders supporter, Plowright said that while she voted for Hillary Clinton in 2008, the presumptive Democratic nominee’s “tenure as secretary of state has not sat well with me at all.”

On the other hand, she said, “Trump scares the hell out of me.”

“Honestly, I don’t know,” she said. “I’m going to have to see what happens. I’ve never cast a vote against anyone in my life … that may very well change next November.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 02, 2016, 09:20:33 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/lawsuit-forces-christianmingle-com-allow-lgbt-dating-profiles-site/

ChristianMingle.Com Forced By LGBT Lawsuit To Allow Gay And Lesbian Dating Profiles On Their Site

ChristianMingle.com, billed as the largest online community for Christian singles, required new users to specify whether they’re a man seeking a woman or a woman seeking a man. The lead plaintiffs, two gay men who tried using it, claimed that the limited options violated California’s anti-discrimination law.


7/2/16

The owner of online dating site ChristianMingle.com has agreed to let gay and lesbian users search for same-sex matches under a judge-approved settlement of discrimination claims.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Question: so why would 2 gay men even want to have a profile on a CHRISTIAN dating site? Answer: they wouldn’t. So why did they sue? For the same reason why the Christian bakers were forced to make gay wedding cakes. The LGBT Agenda is about crushing the opposition and forcing a New World Order agenda on you. Please note that you will NEVER see the LGBT suing a Muslim bakery, a Muslim online dating site or anything else connected with Islam. Don’t you think it’s time YOU woke up?

Two gay men filed class-actions claims against Spark Networks Inc. in California courts in 2013 alleging that ChristianMingle.com and several other sites in the company’s portfolio of niche dating services excluded users looking to meet singles of the same sex.

ChristianMingle.com, billed as the largest online community for Christian singles, required new users to specify whether they’re a man seeking a woman or a woman seeking a man. The lead plaintiffs, two gay men who tried using it, claimed that the limited options violated California’s anti-discrimination law.

Known as the Unruh Civil Rights Act, the state law requires “business establishments” to offer “full and equal accommodations” to people regardless of their sexual orientation.


Under the agreement, the gateway homepages now ask just whether a user is a “man” or a “woman.” Spark Networks agreed that within two years, it would adjust other searching and profile features to give gay and lesbian singles a more tailored experience.

The terms approved by a state judge on Monday also apply to other Spark sites— including CatholicMingle.com, AdventistSinglesConnection.com and BlackSingles.com— that had operated in the same way.

Spark Networks also owns the popular online Jewish matchmaker JDate.com, which wasn’t part of the litigation.

Spark Networks agreed to pay each plaintiff $9,000 each and $450,000 in attorneys’ fees to the two men’s lawyers.

The company didn’t admit any wrongdoing as part of the agreement, which was earlier reported by the Daily Journal legal newspaper.

“I am gratified that we were able to work with Spark to help ensure that people can fully participate in all the diverse market places that make our country so special, regardless of their sexual orientation,” one of the lead plaintiffs’ attorneys, Vineet Dubey of Custodio & Dubey LLP, said in a statement.

A representative of Spark Networks said the company was “pleased to resolve this litigation.” source


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 10, 2016, 09:40:32 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/moderate-republicans-propose-softening-official-gop-position-on-lgbt/
Republicans to consider softening party's official language on LGBT
7/9/16

With the Republican National Convention less than two weeks away, moderate Republicans are drafting an amendment that would soften the GOP's official position on gays and lesbians, CBS News has learned.

The party's official stance on LGBT issues will be debated during next week's meeting of the RNC's platform committee, a 112-member group of Republican activists from around the country.

Outside Republican groups have been publicly pushing the party to modify its stance on same-sex marriage for over a year, but multiple sources told CBS News that the effort has officially taken hold among a group of platform committee members who are furiously polishing their amendment ahead of the party gathering in Cleveland.

It's unclear if Donald Trump, the party's likely nominee, supports the changes or is actively involved in shaping the platform.

Perhaps more surprising than the effort itself is the fact that staunch social conservatives from the Midwest and South are prepared to accept rhetorical tweaks.

Currently, the language adopted during the 2012 platform calls the "redefinition of marriage" by state courts an "assault on the foundations of society." It's unclear whether or not this language will be eliminated. But the compromise that some delegates are expecting is the addition of "equality language."

"Equality for all people," is how one member of the platform committee described the language to CBS News. "That would be a hard thing for Republicans not to vote for."

"The compromises are going to end up in the same place where it's pretty much been, just to keep the fighting at a minimum. But there are ways to say things that show we are a party that believes in fairness for all Americans," the delegate added.

Trump has positioned himself as a pro-LGBT candidate, especially since the mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando in June.

"Ask yourself who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community. Donald Trump with actions, or Hillary Clinton with her words?" Trump said after the shooting, during a speech on terrorism and national security in New Hampshire, a state that has legalized same-sex marriage.

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Post by: Mark on July 13, 2016, 11:10:25 pm
Anglican ‘Church’ of Canada Votes to Approve Same-Sex ‘Marriage’

The Anglican Church of Canada has voted to approve of same-sex “marriage” a day after a miscount resulted in reports that the measure had been struck down.

“A minister may only solemnize a marriage between persons of the same sex if authorized by the diocesan bishop,” the resolution, moved by minister Colin Johnson, read.

It also proposed to substitute the word “partners” for “husband and wife” in church canon, and to substitute “the parties to the marriage” for “a man and a woman.”

Discussion and debate was held about the matter during the General Synod July 7-12 in Richmond Hill. Anglicans currently officiate over civil unions, but church canon recognizes marriage as being between only a man and a woman.

“I’m convinced full inclusion is the Christian way,” Alistair McCollum of St. John the Divine told the Times Colonist. “There is still a large part of the church that is struggling with this and they are good-hearted. … but we need to use our hearts and heads and follow the prime principles of love and justice.”

However, others were concerned that some ministers seemed to conjoin being a pastor with supporting same-sex nuptials.

“I will not approve this,” David Parsons of the diocese of the Arctic stated during the gathering. “[But] I will be pastoral to everyone.”

Yukon Bishop Larry Robertson walked out in protest, opining that the issue was too divisive.

“I cannot participate in a decision-making that pits soul against soul, brother against brother,” he stated. “I will neither vote yea or nay, and I will not be abstaining. I will not participate in the decision-making; I will participate in this house as a bishop of this church. I will continue to proclaim the gospel.”

The resolution’s authors had compiled a report about the matter, asserting, “The experience of same-sex committed partnerships in our midst, clearly manifesting God’s blessing and the fruit of the Spirit, are a powerful indication that God’s view of marriage may be more inclusive than ours.”

But the report also provided insight into the opposition to the move, including from a church member who wrote a letter to express his concern.

“It shouldn’t be up to me or any other layperson to decide what is and what isn’t God’s revealed truth. The fact that I have to write this letter to defend one of the most fundamental doctrines of the church as made clear by Scripture, tradition and reason is disheartening to say the least,” they wrote.

On Monday, it appeared that the resolution had failed by a single vote, but it was later discovered that one vote had been mistakenly counted in the lay order instead of the clergy order. For a resolution to pass, it must obtain a two-thirds majority in the lay, clergy and bishops orders.

Archbishop Fred Hiltz announced on Tuesday that there had been a counting error and that the resolution had actually passed.

The theme of this year’s Synod was “You Are My Witnesses,” based upon Isaiah 43:10. 1.6 million Canadians currently identify as Anglican.

http://christiannews.net/2016/07/13/anglican-church-of-canada-votes-to-approve-same-sex-marriage/


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Post by: Mark on July 13, 2016, 11:20:03 pm
UK United Reformed Church Votes to Allow Same-Sex ‘Weddings’ in Houses of Worship

The United Reformed Church (URC) in the United Kingdom has overwhelmingly voted to allow same-sex “weddings” to be held in houses of worship.

“Today the URC has made an important decision at which some will rejoice and with which others will be uncomfortable,” General Secretary John Proctor said in a statement. Those of our churches who now wish to offer full marriage services to same-sex couples are free to do just that, and those churches who do not wish to are not compelled to.”

The 240-21 vote took place on Saturday in Southport during the URC’s General Assembly. A two-thirds majority was needed for the passage of the proposal.

The Assembly has considered the issue for the past three years, and last year, it was concluded that the decision whether or not to allow nuptials between those of the same gender should be left up to each congregation.

“This has been a sensitive issue for many in our churches,” Proctor said. “It has been important to take our time over the decision process, and to listen as carefully as we can to one another along the way.”

URC officials advise on the denomination’s website that guidance for congregations in England and Wales that wish to register to hold same-sex “weddings” in their sanctuaries will be issued within the week.

They also note, as per Proctor, that Reformed ministers who decline to officiate homosexual ceremonies may not “prevent local churches from registering their buildings.”

“But if the building were registered, the minister would not be obliged to officiate,” the site outlines. “Local churches cannot, and the denomination will not, compel ministers to conduct same-sex marriages against their conscience.”

Reformed minister Malcom Hanson, amid calling the issue a “biblical puzzle,” admitted in an article on the matter last year that “‘one plus one’ is about the union of complementaries”—or the fact that God created the woman as the complement to the man. He said that the Scriptures cannot simply be discarded about the matter.

“In other words, if we dismiss Leviticus 18:22 (‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman’) and similarly negative passages as not relevant to our present understanding of sexuality, how do we handle Genesis 2:24 (‘That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh’) and similarly positive passages?” Hanson asked.

“We have commonly understood marriage to be based on the Genesis model, endorsed by Jesus and confirmed by nature,” he wrote.

The United Reformed Church was founded in 1972 and has roots in Presbyterianism and Congregationalism. It currently has an estimated 1,500 congregations throughout the U.K. and Wales.

Saturday’s vote makes the URC the largest professing Christian body in the U.K. that allows same-sex “marriages” in the house of God.

http://christiannews.net/2016/07/12/uk-united-reformed-church-votes-to-allow-same-sex-weddings-in-houses-of-worship/


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Post by: Mark on July 18, 2016, 07:57:08 pm
United Methodists Elect Open Lesbian for Bishop Despite Prohibition

Delegates at the United Methodist Western Jurisdictional Conference have voted to elect an open lesbian as bishop despite prohibitions against such appointments.

Karen Oliveto of Glide Memorial Church in San Francisco was elected on the 17th ballot after several others withdrew from the election, including one other openly homosexual candidate. According to reports, Oliveto has officiated over 50 same-sex ceremonies herself.

“I think at this moment I have a glimpse of the realm of God,” Oliveto asserted following the vote, according to United Methodist News.

“I want to thank the candidates who I have journeyed with these past few days, for the grace with which we walked with each other,” she said. “And know I stand before you because of the work and prayers of so many, especially those saints who yearned to live for this day, who blazed a trail where there was none, who are no longer with us, and yet whose shoulders I stand on.”

As previously reported, Oliveto, David Meredith and Frank Wulf were all nominated during the meetings of the Western and North Central jurisdictions last month, with their nomination being publicly announced by Reconciling Ministries, a homosexual advocacy group that professes to be Christian.

Executive Director Matt Berryman asserted that the nomination of the three was led by the Holy Spirit.

“On the heels of the 2016 General Conference, the Spirit of God is now raising up three openly gay candidates for the office of bishop,” he claimed in a blog post. “Building on the courage and work of the saints who have gone before, Dr. Karen Oliveto, Frank Wulf, and David Meredith are called by God to serve the church in sharing their gifts of visionary leadership for the life of the world.”

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However, as previously reported, the United Methodist Book of Discipline outlines that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” may not be ordained as ministers in the denomination.

“While persons set apart by the Church for ordained ministry are subject to all the frailties of the human condition and the pressures of society, they are required to maintain the highest standards of holy living in the world,” the book reads.

In light of the prohibition, some expressed disappointment with Oliveto’s election.

“This election raises significant concerns and questions of church polity and unity,” Bishop Bruce Ough, president of the United Methodist Council of Bishops, said in a statement.

“Any elder in good standing is eligible for election as a bishop of the church. An elder under an unresolved complaint is still considered to be in good standing. Being a self-avowed, practicing homosexual is a chargeable offense for any clergyperson in The United Methodist Church, if indeed this is the case,” he explained.

Rob Renfroe of the United Methodist group Good News also issued strong remarks in light of the vote.

“It is deplorable that the Western Jurisdiction, along with many annual conferences, has ignored the Council of Bishop’s proposal, ratified by the General Conference, for a ‘pause for prayer—to step back from attempts at legislative solutions and to intentionally seek God’s will for the future,’” he said.

“Instead, these conferences have moved ahead with legislative enactments pledging non-conformity with the Book of Discipline, culminating in the election of a practicing homosexual as bishop,” Renfroe stated. “If the Western Jurisdiction wanted to push the church to the brink of schism, they could not have found a more certain way of doing so.”

Wulf withdrew from the election earlier this past week prior to Oliveto’s election.

http://christiannews.net/2016/07/17/united-methodists-elect-open-lesbian-for-bishop-despite-prohibition/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 21, 2016, 06:35:33 pm
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0721/Peter-Thiel-s-presence-highlights-Republican-tension-over-LGBT-voters
7/21/16
Peter Thiel's presence highlights Republican tension over LGBT voters

When Peter Thiel takes the stage at the Republican National Convention Thursday night, he is expected to declare that he is proud to be gay – marking a historical first for the party’s convention.

The Silicon Valley billionaire supports gay marriage, putting him at odds with the party’s official platform, and he’ll use his prime-time slot (shortly before Donald Trump is slated to officially accept the party’s nomination) to ...



 



 



 



 



Billionaire Peter Thiel's invitation to speak Thursday night is one of several nods to the LGBT community at the Republican National Convention.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 22, 2016, 11:24:12 am
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-first-gop-nominee-mention-lgbtq-citizens-acceptance-034140503--abc-news-topstories.html
Trump Is First GOP Nominee to Mention LGBTQ Citizens in Acceptance Speech
7/22/16

For the first time in history, a Republican nominee has mentioned the LGBTQ community in a GOP nomination acceptance speech.

"Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Florida, 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist. This time, the terrorist targeted our LGBTQ community. No good. We are going to stop it," said Donald Trump, the Republican Party's presidential nominee.

The massacre in Orlando, by gunman Omar Mateen, occurred at the popular gay club Pulse.

"As your President, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology, believe me," Trump added.

After pausing for applause from the audience, Trump went off his speech script to acknowledge the support of his statement from Republicans gathered in the arena.

"And I have to say as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said," he said. "Thank you."


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 24, 2016, 07:47:34 pm
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/
Op-Ed GOP's new tactic: pitting the LGBT community against Muslims
7/23/16

In 2002 the Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn carved a path for Donald Trump. Fortuyn demanded an end to Muslim immigration, claiming that Islamic culture endangered the Dutch tradition of respect for LGBT rights. I remember reading the headlines after Fortuyn’s party won local elections, wondering how long it would be until America’s political right adopted the same tactic. The answer was 14 years.

Last week in Cleveland, Republican grandees cited protecting LGBT Americans as a central reason for vigilance about Islam. Newt Gingrich said, “If our enemies had their way, gays, lesbians and transgender citizens would be put to death as they are today in the Islamic State and Iran.” Trump himself pledged to “do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology.”

Pitting LGBT rights against Islam appears to be the GOP’s strategy for transitioning away from overt homophobia. Only ten years ago the party agitated for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Now, with thousands of ordinary Republicans attending the same-sex weddings of their own children, the party must change.

A turning point came in June, after a man declaring his allegiance to Islamic State killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando. Within hours Gingrich was telling Fox News that he wants LGBT people to “realize that Islamic supremacy is their mortal enemy.” Two days later, Trump tweeted, “Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.”

This is the script that Fortuyn wrote: Muslims must be kept out because they are a threat to gay rights. Some Republicans will insist that the comparison is an unfair one. Unlike Fortuyn, they wish to stop only “radical Islamists.” But their nominee does not take this distinction seriously. Trump has repeatedly proposed a ban on all Muslim entry to the United States. The day after the Orlando attack, he told a rally, "We cannot continue to allow thousands upon thousands of people to pour into our country — many of whom have the same thought process as this savage killer.”

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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 28, 2016, 11:07:37 pm
http://cnsnews.com/commentary/lynn-wardle/anglican-church-canada-adopts-gay-marriage-endangers-future-faith
Anglican Church of Canada Adopts Gay Marriage, Endangers Future of Faith
7/28/16


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Post by: Mark on August 02, 2016, 01:07:14 pm
Gay-sex scandal hits Irish seminary

DUBLIN: The head of Ireland's biggest Catholic diocese said Tuesday he had moved trainee priests from the country's leading seminary over allegations of homosexual activity among students and staff, including the use of the Grindr dating app.

Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin said the "poisonous" atmosphere caused by the claims at St. Patrick's College, Maynooth – also known as the National Seminary for Ireland – had led him to transfer students to the Irish College in Rome.

An anonymous letter emerged in May, alleging homosexual activity among some students and teachers. Authorities issued a statement promising to "thoroughly deal" with such behavior.

"A culture of anonymous letters is poisonous and until that is cleared up I would be happier to send my students elsewhere," the archbishop told RTE, Ireland's national broadcaster.

The archbishop said the use of Grindr would be inappropriate for seminarians "not just because they are training to be celibate priests but because an app like that is something that would be fostering promiscuous sexuality which is certainly not in any way the mature vision of sexuality that one would expect priests to understand."

Thanks to GPS technology, users of the Grindr app, generally gay men seeking sex, are able to locate and view photos and brief profiles of other users in their immediate vicinity and arrange to meet them.

The archbishop said he had tried to communicate with the author or authors of the anonymous online letters and blogs, offering to appoint a confidential expert to help verify the claims.

However, his initiative has been met only by more anonymous letters.

It is believed whistleblowers are reluctant to come forward because others have been expelled for making such allegations.

"The authorities at Maynooth feel we have to find ways in which people will come forward with solid, hard evidence which can be used to follow up allegations," Archbishop Martin said.

Hugh Connolly, the President of St. Patrick's College, told RTE he was aware of the allegations and was "very worried" about the alleged use of Grindr in particular.

But "natural justice" demanded the production of strong evidence before any action could be taken, he added.

Archbishop Martin also appeared to question if Maynooth was still fit to train modern-day clergy, suggesting it could be better done outside the "closed, strange world of seminaries."

St. Patrick's College, situated at Maynooth, Co Kildare, is a university town 24 kilometers (15 miles) from Dublin.

The seminary was formed in 1795 and at the height of Catholic Church power in Ireland trained around 500 young men for the priesthood.

This number has dwindled to around 55 and there are now concerns that it could face closure if bishops believe priest could be trained better elsewhere.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Aug-02/365220-gay-sex-scandal-hits-irish-seminary.ashx


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 10, 2016, 12:30:09 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/10/how-donald-trump-is-slowly-teaching-republicans-to-embrace-gay-rights/
8/10/16
How Donald Trump is teaching Republicans a way to embrace gay rights

In the course of his campaign so far, Donald Trump has had harsh words for Mexicans and Muslims, the people of Iowa, African Americans, refugees, the parents of a dead Army captain, women, a disabled reporter and the pope. He has fashioned his political incorrectness into a personal virtue, portraying himself as a straight-talker incapable of pretense. Supporters praise this “brute honesty,” while critics accuse Trump of amplifying and taking advantage of intolerant tendencies within the GOP base.

Throughout all of this, though, Trump has refrained from launching barbs at one particular group: gay Americans.

It would be a stretch to call Trump a gay-friendly candidate — he still opposes same-sex marriage — but he supports other LGBT rights and has publicly declared himself a “real friend” to the community. In April, he broke with his GOP rivals by speaking out against North Carolina’s anti-transgender bathroom law. (He later backed off.) And last month in Cleveland, Trump brought in Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel, who became the first openly gay speaker to affirm his sexual orientation onstage at a Republican National Convention.

“I am proud to be gay,” Thiel said that night, to cheers. “I am proud to be a Republican.”

Thiel, a staunch Libertarian, went on to admonish the GOP for wasting time debating “who gets to use which bathroom.” These “fake culture wars,” he said, “only distract us from our economic decline, and nobody in this race is being honest about it except Donald Trump.”

Many have commented on Trump’s reluctance to engage with the concerns of social conservatives. He'd rather talk about immigrants or terrorism than Planned Parenthood or gay marriage, in part because he has a record of permissive views on abortion and gay rights. Though he has tried to walk back some of his statements recently, his liberal reputation on social issues endures. Many thought it would prove a fatal weakness with the evangelical wing of the GOP. Yet, when his rivals tried to attack this flank during primary season, none of their arguments seemed to stick.

Some interpret Trump’s success as a sign that the traditional culture wars have reached their conclusion. On LGBT issues, at least, it seems the end may really be in sight. In recent months, Trump has essentially been offering a blueprint for how the GOP could eventually woo gay Americans — which is useful, because a startling new poll shows that Republicans may have to adapt much faster than they thought.

We have long known that gay rights are more of a generational issue than a partisan one. A 2014 poll showed that majority — 61 percent — of Republican millennials support same-sex marriage.

But last week, a report from the Black Youth Project and the AP-NORC Center turned up a surprising finding. Not only do millennials overwhelmingly favor LGBT rights, but they have dramatically increased their support just in the past two years.

In a 2014 poll, 69 percent of whites aged 18-30 agreed that gays and lesbians should be allowed to adopt children. In the most recent poll, 84 percent of them favored gay adoption — a bump of 15 points. Likewise, just in the past two years, the fraction of white millennials who support equal LGBT employment rights increased from 84 percent to 92 percent.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/08/2300-27.jpg&w=1484)

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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 12, 2016, 10:32:26 pm
http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/rubio-preaches-love-of-lgbt-neighbors-at-controversial-meeting-with-pastors-stands-firm-against-same-sex-marriage-104697
Rubio tells pastors 'our LGBT neighbors' should be loved, but still opposes same-sex marriage


By Daniel Ducassi

08/12/16 02:25 PM EDT

TALLAHASSEE — Amid criticism of his attendance at what LGBT advocates have dubbed an “anti-LGBT rally,” U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio told a conference of pastors in Orlando on Friday that Jesus teaches that “our LGBT neighbors” should not be judged, but loved.

“Abandoning judgment and loving our LGBT neighbors is not a betrayal of what the Bible teaches, it is a fulfillment of it. Jesus showed us how to do this,” Rubio said, recounting the story of Jesus saving an "adulterous woman” from being stoned.

Rubio, in a speech laced with New Testament references, did not, however, back down from his position against same-sex marriage.

“I know what some of you are thinking,” Rubio said to the pastors. “That even if you speak of respect and dignity for all, if you do not accept a new definition of marriage, some are still going to try to shame you and silence you. They’re still going to call you a ‘bigot' and a 'hater.’ Yes, probably some will, and yet we must still love our neighbor.”

Rubio said traditional marriage between one man and one women "deserves to be elevated and set apart in our laws.”

The U.S. Supreme Court legalized same sex marriage nationwide last year when it ruled that the U.S. Constitution bars states from denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

"To love our neighbors in the LGBT community, we should recognize that even as we stand firm in the belief that marriage is the union between one man and one woman, there are those in that community and in same-sex relationships whose love for one another is real, and who feel angry and humiliated that the law did not recognize their relationship as a marriage."

LGBT advocacy groups have slammed Rubio in recent days for attending the pastors' conference.

They note that sponsors of the event, the Liberty Counsel and American Family Association have been labeled as anti-LGBT hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“Marco Rubio’s participation in an Orlando anti-LGBT rally further demonstrates why Floridians can’t trust his leadership,” said Democratic state Rep. David Richardson, the only openly gay member of the Legislature. “Senator Rubio is using his national profile to legitimize activists who promote inequality, and he continues to ‘double down’ on his support for discrimination against the LGBT community."

Terry Fleming, president of the Florida LGBTQ Democratic Caucus, penned an op-ed in TIME magazine blasting Rubio for speaking to the group on the two-month anniversary of the massacre at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando. Forty-nine people were killed in the attack.

"Rubio’s company isn’t surprising considering he has actively advocated against the rights of gay Americans,” Fleming wrote. "He has opposed the rights of gay Americans to get married or adopt children. He has embraced support from the leader of a group that promotes dangerous conversion therapy for LGBT youth, and voted against providing basic workplace discrimination protection for employees based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. While the LGBT community was grieving, Rubio used the tragedy as an opportunity to run for reelection.”

LGBTQ advocates held a rally on Thursday to protest Rubio’s attendance at the conference, as well as that of Donald Trump.

“I wonder if Marco Rubio or Donald Trump have ever lost a family member to a hate crime,” Celia Cruz, the sister of one of the Pulse victims, said at the rally, "I wonder if they know the pain that comes from losing a family member in this manner. If they knew this pain … I doubt Marco Rubio and Donald Trump would be promoting this conference, promoting intolerance and hate.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 15, 2016, 10:29:05 am
http://www.rollcall.com/news/kentucky-gay-senate-candidate-anybody-care
8/15/16
Kentucky Has a Gay Senate Candidate — Does Anybody Care?

America may be closer to a post-gay state of politics than most realize


FANCY FARM, KENTUCKY — Jim Gray walked to the lectern on stage, leaned in to the microphone, and began to speak. Kentucky’s openly gay Senate candidate was making history.

He would say later the boos were so loud he could barely hear his own voice.

No more than 10 yards in front of the Democrat, a teeming mass of yelling, chanting Republicans were trying to intimidate him. A few hundred of them had crammed underneath this pavilion, no bigger than half a football field, to stay dry from the storm soaking the surrounding fairgrounds in this tiny western Kentucky town.

Gray, of course, welcomed this.

The St. Jerome Fancy Farm Picnic is an annual showcase for Kentucky’s top politicians to give (they hope) a funny, sharp-elbowed speech at the other party’s expense. While they speak, hundreds of loud-mouthed partisans are encouraged to yell and scream as loudly as they can — as if the American political id was caged in a small pavilion two hours from a major airport.

“I want to introduce myself to Senator McConnell,” he said, looking over to the Senate majority leader seated a few feet away, who minutes earlier had given his own speech. The Republicans, whose voices drowned out the sound of nearby thunder, chanted “Go away Gray!”   

The candidate continued: “He earlier called me a ‘nobody.’ Well, let me introduce myself, senator. I am Jim Gray, and I am the guy who is going to beat Rand Paul.”

What went unnoticed this recent Saturday afternoon was that Gray was probably first openly gay person to speak at Fancy Farm. Records aren’t easy to come by for something that began in 1880, but veterans of the event say they can’t recall an openly gay speaker.

This is how Gray’s campaign has gone: He’s making history, and nobody seems to notice. Or, for that matter, care.

Gray would be the first openly gay man to serve in the United States Senate, and the possibility that Kentucky would be the state to elect him should be remarkable. This is a Southern state that sits on the buckle of the Bible Belt, where even the Democratic Party is culturally conservative.

It’s a state where, only a year ago, Kim Davis made international news when she refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples in the small county where she served as a clerk.

And yet, Gray’s sexual orientation has drawn little interest, from voters, his opponents, or the even the media.

“I’m constantly surprised by what a non-issue this has become,” said Geoff Reed, a longtime adviser to Gray.

“I’m constantly surprised by what a non-issue this has become.”

— Geoff Reed

Gray’s campaign is undoubtedly a sign of how far gay and lesbian candidates have come. It even suggests that in the year 2016, they may not have all that much further to go.

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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 19, 2016, 01:10:25 pm
This guy, who's part of the whole "religious right" crowd (and a CNP member, which is to the global "religious" wing, as the CFR is to the "political" wing), ran for Senator of Louisiana in 2002 (I used to live in New Orleans then). What happened was the then-governor (Mike Foster) endorsed him, instead of the clear GOP frontrunner (Suzzie Terrell). When all was said and done, Mary Landrieu got re-elected amidst all of this chaos (when the election was clearly rigged for her in 1996 - her opponent was CNP member Woody Jenkins). When all was said and done, when Obamacare came up to vote in 2009, they barely had enough votes for it to pass b/c of Landrieu being there (otherwise, they would have been 1 vote short). By the time she was voted out in 2014, the damage was already done.

Anyhow - long story, yeah, but nonetheless Perkins certainly played his role.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/louisiana-floods-destroy-home-christian-leader-who-blamed-natural-disasters-gay-people-1576782?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo
Louisiana floods destroy home of Christian leader who blamed natural disasters on gay people

President of Family Research Council said his family was forced to escape in a canoe.

8/18/16

A Christian campaigner who said natural disasters were God's punishment for an increasingly gay-friendly world has seen his home destroyed by a flood.

Tony Perkins, the president of Christian lobbyist group Family Research Council, saw his house in Louisiana submerged under water during floods that have so far killed 13 people and destroyed more than 40,000 homes.

Describing the deluge as of "near-biblical proportions", he said his family of seven escaped in a canoe when the water rose to 10-feet high.

While last year Perkins said a hurricane heading for Washington DC was a sign of God's wrath for the legalisation of gay marriage, he fell short of blaming the Louisiana floods on the LGBT movement.

He instead told his organisation's radio show that it was an "incredible, encouraging spiritual exercise to take you to the next level in your walk with an almighty and gracious God who does all things well".

He added: "We're gonna look for what God's gonna do in this. I'm asking those questions and I'm going to see."

Perkins, who also attracted controversy when he blamed the 2013 Boston bombings on Congress's support of "sexual liberalism", said he and his family are now forced to live off "God's provisions" with help from his church congregation.

Along with his wife and five children, he faces six months living in a trailer while his house is repaired.

The Red Cross said three days of heavy rainfall in Louisiana, which began on Friday (12 August), had led to the worst natural disaster to hit the United States since Hurricane Sandy. It has so far led to 20,000 people being evacuated.

Posting pictures of his own flooded home on Facebook, Perkins received a torrent of both abuse and messages of goodwill.

One comment read: "Didn't you say God sents (sic) storms to punish gays? Either you were wrong about that or you're still in the closet. Sorry for your loss."

Another added: "From the viewpoint of one transgender atheist (whom I suspect you might wish was drowned beneath the torrent), I am truly, sincerely sorry that your home was destroyed and your family endangered. I am glad that you and yours are safe.

"I do hope you manage to take a few moments to consider your less affluent neighbors who may not be as well-buttressed. Maybe in particular, those who you yourself may have wronged through your actions and words ... May you emerge from this catastrophe not only unscathed, but improved."

The Family Research Council is one of the most influential – and controversial – religious lobbyist groups in the US, with its members campaigning against same-sex marriage, abortion, divorce and stem-cell research.

Under Perkins' leadership, the organisation was classified as an anti-LGBT hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2010, characterised as a "fount of anti-gay propaganda". The allegation was strongly denied by Perkins.

Perkins is not the only Christian leader to have blamed natural disasters on the passing of pro-LGBT legislation.

Texas pastor John Hagee in 2006 described Hurricane Katrina as "God's retribution for a planned gay pride parade" – a remark that led to widespread criticism in the media.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 24, 2016, 04:50:47 pm
Proverbs 23:4  Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/another-good-reason-not-married-100004570.html
Another Good Reason Not to Get Married, Courtesy of the IRS
8/19/16

There are plenty of reasons to get married. Your taxes may not be one of them.

Some couples—generally those with one person who earns far more than the other—will see their tax bills fall after marriage. But for two well-paid professionals, tax bills can soar post-marriage, as their combined incomes put them in the highest tax brackets.

And well-off couples just got another financial incentive to cancel the wedding. Unmarried couples can now deduct effectively twice as much of their mortgage and home interest on their tax returns, thanks to a change this month by the Internal Revenue Service.


The IRS had little choice: A year ago, it lost a California couple's lawsuit challenging its mortgage-deduction rules. Bruce Voss and Charles Sophy were registered as domestic partners and owned two properties together in California, in Beverly Hills and in Rancho Mirage near Palm Springs. In 2006 and 2007, they had about $2.7 million in debt on their houses, and they were paying a combined interest of about $180,000 a year.

The law says taxpayers can deduct the interest on up to $1 million in mortgage debt and $100,000 in home equity financing. Voss and Sophy each tried to deduct this full amount, but the IRS audited their returns and said the $1.1 million limit had to be applied on a per-residence basis—meaning they had to share the deduction limit and lost the right to $198,415 in deductions over two years. The men sued, but a tax court sided with the IRS. They appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which last August overturned the ruling and found, based on a close reading of the tax code, that the men should each get their own $1.1 million deduction limit.

This month, the IRS “acquiesced” in that ruling—applying it not just to Voss and Sophy and other taxpayers under Ninth Circuit jurisdiction but to all taxpayers nationwide in similar circumstances.

The IRS's new position on the mortgage deduction could be a boon to other unmarried couples who co-own property and split mortgages in expensive areas of the country, such as Manhattan or San Francisco, where median home prices top $1.1 million, according to Zillow.

But it could also pose a dilemma if those couples are planning a wedding: Get married, and you’re limited to deductions of $1.1 million in mortgage and home debt.

“If you stay unmarried, you can deduct up to $2.2 million,” said ReKeithen Miller, a financial planner at Palisades Hudson Financial Group, based in Atlanta. “Not to say you want to let tax policy dictate your personal life, but it’s another thing for them to consider.”

The ruling could also apply to friends or family who want to buy real estate together.

Still, buying real estate with friends, family, or an unmarried partner is risky and can get messy if you stop getting along or decide to break up. (A 2006 movie starring Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn centered on this very scenario.)

“When you’re an unmarried couple, you don’t have protections,” said Janis Cowhey, a lawyer and partner at Marcum, an accounting and advisory firm in New York. “As far as the law is concerned, you’re legal strangers.”

Property co-owners can hire lawyers to write agreements that set out some rules. Co-habitation agreements let unmarried couples agree on all aspects of the relationship—including inheritance rights, medical decisions, property, and finances. Ownership agreements are more narrowly focused on how to handle a particular property after a death or breakup, but they can still be complicated documents, Cowhey said, specifying who gets to stay in an apartment or exactly how to sell the property.

“They seem like insane details, but if you’re in the middle of a breakup, they seem like important details,” Cowhey said. “You’re never going to agree on a real estate broker.”


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 25, 2016, 08:45:02 am
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/08/24/rubio-abandon-judgment-of-lbgt-americans/
8/24/16
Rubio: ‘Abandon’ Judgment of LBGT Americans

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) encouraged Christians to “abandon a spirit of judgment” of LBGT Americans, which he said would not violate the teachings of the Bible.

“To love our neighbors, we must recognize that many have experienced sometimes severe condemnation and judgment from some Christians. They have heard some say that the reason God will bring condemnation on America is because of them as if somehow God was willing to put up with adultery, and gluttony, and greed and pride, but now, this is the last straw,” Rubio said in a recent speech at a conference held by the American Renewal Project, a group of conservative religious leaders focused on influencing public policy, in Orlando, Fla.

“To love our neighbors, we must abandon a spirit of judgment. Do not judge or you will be judged. For in the same way you judge others you will be judged and with a measure you use it will be used to measure you. And we should remember not to ignore the plank in our own eye,” he added.

“I want to be clear with you,” the former GOP presidential candidate continued. “Abandoning judgment and loving our LGBT neighbors is not a betrayal of what the Bible teaches, it is a fulfillment of it.”

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) encouraged Christians to “abandon a spirit of judgment” of LBGT Americans, which he said would not violate the teachings of the Bible.

“To love our neighbors, we must recognize that many have experienced sometimes severe condemnation and judgment from some Christians. They have heard some say that the reason God will bring condemnation on America is because of them as if somehow God was willing to put up with adultery, and gluttony, and greed and pride, but now, this is the last straw,” Rubio said in a recent speech at a conference held by the American Renewal Project, a group of conservative religious leaders focused on influencing public policy, in Orlando, Fla.

“To love our neighbors, we must abandon a spirit of judgment. Do not judge or you will be judged. For in the same way you judge others you will be judged and with a measure you use it will be used to measure you. And we should remember not to ignore the plank in our own eye,” he added.

“I want to be clear with you,” the former GOP presidential candidate continued. “Abandoning judgment and loving our LGBT neighbors is not a betrayal of what the Bible teaches, it is a fulfillment of it.”

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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 29, 2016, 06:39:49 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/man-proposes-boyfriend-texas-methodist-church-gets-standing-ovation-congregation/
8/29/16

Man Proposes To His Boyfriend At Texas Methodist Church Gets Standing Ovation From Congregation

"I don't need permission to be gay", a defiant Harper stated during his "testimony". "I get that from Jesus". Well, actually Trevor, no you don't. The Bible declares that homosexuality is a sin, regardless of whether or not they are monogamous or not.


The church is open to members of any sexual orientation. Harper said the support they have received has been a huge blessing to their relationship, especially as a gay couple in Texas.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)

At the First United Methodist Church of Austin, Texas, anything goes. Except apparently following the Bible. A gay couple in the church were asked to stand up and “give their testimony” of what God has been doing in their lives. So, one of the men, Trevor Harper, decided this would be a great time to “propose” to his “wife”, Davis Covin.
•Click here to watch the “proposal” of Trevor and Davis.

“I don’t need permission to be gay”, a defiant Harper stated during his “testimony”. “I get that from Jesus”. Well, actually Trevor, no you don’t. The Bible declares that homosexuality is a sin, regardless of whether or not you are monogamous or not.

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:27 (KJV)

This story took place last year, but as we speed closer and closer to the Rapture of the Church, it bears repeating. Jesus said that the last church, the church of Laodicea, would be a church that glorified themselves and locked the Lord outside the door. That is exactly what we are seeing.

The Bible believers are being driven out, and in their place are the proponents of the social justice false gospel which no one in the Bible ever preached. With each passing month, more and more churches are signing on to affirm and promote the LGBT lifestyle and agenda. Here are just a few:
•The First Baptist Church of the City of Washington D.C.
•St. Matthew Cathedral
•St. Thomas Episcopal Parish
•First Congregational United Church of Christ
•Calvary Baptist Church
•Riverside United Church of Christ
•FirstCoast Metropolitan Community Church

There are thousands more across America where the gay agenda is preached and sinners are told they are not sinners, and that they have no need get saved and repent. This is a false Christianity that leads its followers down a flaming road to Hell.

The apostle Paul said that in the last days, there would be no doctrine to warn and instruct, only people having their ears tickled by false teachers teaching lies. That day has arrived, mark this one in the “fulfilled” category.

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (KJV)


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on September 03, 2016, 12:38:05 pm
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/293912-pence-questioned-why-aids-activists-attended-1996-gop
Pence questioned why AIDS activists attended 1996 convention
8/31/16

GOP vice presidential nominee Mike Pence questioned why AIDS activists spoke at the 1996 Republican National Convention in San Diego in an article penned that year.

While writing for Indiana Policy Review, a conservative think-tank based in the state where Pence would later serve as a congressman and governor, Pence blasted the convention for failing to represent the party’s base.

“The sad truth is that the Republican Party for all its success in generating media praise for the convention failed to present the personalities or principles of interest to its base constituency, the modern Reagan coalition,” Pence wrote.

“An endless line of pro-choice women, AIDS activists and proponents of affirmative action may have struck a chord with the Washington press corps. They bombed, however, in Peoria.”

Pence, 57, was a talk radio host at the time of the article.

People for the American Way’s “Right Wing Watch” first uncovered Pence’s article and shared it with The Hill.

A Pence spokesman did not return a request for comment.

In the 1996 piece, Pence went on to add that the convention also included a “systematic exclusion from prime time of social conservatives” and argued that “whether the elites in the media and the GOP like it or not, traditional pro-family conservatives make up the bedrock of modern Republican electoral success.”

AIDS activist Mary Fisher, who contracted the disease from her former husband, spoke at the 1996 convention to call on the party to join the fight against the disease, which had been stereotyped as a disease more prominent in the gay community.

PFAW Senior Fellow Ari Rabin-Havt accused Pence of “advocating for a smaller-tent Republican Party, one that would not court African Americans, women or the LGBT community.”

“It is doubtful that Pence’s objection was to these specific ‘AIDS activists,’” he wrote in a blog on the group’s website.

“His objection was likely that at the time, HIV/AIDS was still viewed as a gay issue. Pence clearly did not consider LGBT individuals part of the 'pro-family' party he envisioned the GOP to be.”

Pence drew controversy last year with his support of a bill known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which he signed as governor. But amid protests that the bill amounted to legalizing discrimination against the LGBT community, Pence backed a compromise meant to protect against that discrimination.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 02, 2016, 04:46:32 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/02/politics/rudy-giuliani-infidelity-everybody-does/index.html
10/2/16
Giuliani on facing accusations about infidelity: 'Well, everybody does'

Washington (CNN)Rudy Giuliani answered the charge that he faces accusations of infidelity on Sunday by saying it's not just him.
"Everybody does," the former New York City mayor and Donald Trump supporter said.

Giuliani was attacking Hillary Clinton in an interview with NBC's Chuck Todd on "Meet the Press" the morning after Trump said -- with no evidence -- at a rally: "I don't even think she's loyal to Bill, if you want to know the truth. And really folks, really, why should she be?"

Not mentioned by Trump: He's had three divorces and faced accusations of infidelity himself. So has the thrice-married Giuliani.

Todd asked Giuliani if he's the right person to criticize Clinton's marriage.

Giuliani cited his pre-mayoral career as a Justice Department prosecutor.

"I'm the right person to level this charge, because I've never made such a charge, and I've prosecuted people who've committed ****," he said.
But, Todd responded, "You have your own infidelity charge."

"Well, everybody does," Giuliani said. "And I'm a Roman Catholic, and I confess those things to my priest. But I've never ever attacked someone who's been the victim ... of sexual abuse. Not only that, I put people in jail who've been the victim of sexual abuse."

Then, Giuliani complained about Todd's line of questioning.

"And I think your bringing up my personal life really is kind of irrelevant to what Hillary Clinton did. She's running for president, I'm not," said Giuliani, himself a presidential candidate in 2008, when he sought the GOP nomination, unsuccessfully.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 11, 2016, 08:11:22 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qst2GJYQ18o


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on October 24, 2016, 08:03:45 pm
Pastor to Preside over Transgender Renaming Ceremony
BreakPoint

A Baptist minister will preside over a transgender name-changing ceremony at the church he pastors in south London.

According to ChristianToday.com, the event will take place during the normal Sunday morning worship service at Oasis church in Waterloo. Pastor Steve Chalke will lead the service.

Parishioners will be present to witness the name-changing ceremony of Luke, a transgender individual who transitioned from being a woman to being a man.

During the service, which will be filmed by the BBC, Luke will tell his story before being prayed for, renamed, and presented with a Bible with his new name written in it.

Chalke says that before transitioning into a male, Luke attended Oasis for seven years as a woman.

Chalke gave him high praise, saying that Luke is "a totally committed Christian – a fantastic guy. He's the kind of person you'd die for being in your church. There are some people that are there on a Sunday and there are some people that are really there. They are committed to God's kingdom – they are committed for living out their life for Christ and he is one of those."

Oasis is very welcoming to transgenders. A transgender individual named Ruth who became a woman was recently baptized in the church. In Ruth’s testimony, she shared how she always felt drawn to identify as a female.

Chalke also noted that both Luke and Ruth discovered they were born inter-sex and their parents had to make a decision whether to raise them as a male or female.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/pastor-to-preside-over-transgender-renaming-ceremony.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on October 28, 2016, 07:45:00 pm
Christian Author Jen Hatmaker: 'It is High Time Christians Opened Wide Their Arms...to the LGBT Community'

 Popular Christian author and speaker Jen Hatmaker said that Christians should embrace the LGBT community.
 
ChristianToday.com reports that Hatmaker, author of 7 and For the Love had previously held more conservative views regarding the LGBT community.
 
In 2014, Hatmaker wrote that she believed "God's original creation is how we were crafted to thrive: in marriage, in family, and in community, which has borne out for millennia in Scripture, interpretation, practice, and society (within and without church)."
 
However, she recently made waves when she wrote in a Facebook post that “It is high time Christians opened wide their arms, wide their churches, wide their tables wide their homes to the LGBT community.”
 
"So whatever the cost and loss, this is where I am: gay teens? Gay adults? Mamas and daddies of precious gaybees? Friends and beloved neighbors of very dear LGBT folks? Here are my arms open wide. So wide that every last one of you can jump inside. You are so dear, so beloved, so precious and important. You matter so desperately and your life is worthy and beautiful,” she continued.
 
Hatmaker told those in the LGBT community that there “is nothing 'wrong with you,' or in any case nothing more right or wrong than any of us, which is to say we are all hopelessly screwed up but Jesus still loves us beyond all reason and lives to make us all new, restored, whole."
 
Hatmaker’s post received 35,000 likes and nearly 7,000 shares, but there were also many who disagreed with her, saying that being lesbian, gay, or transgender was not a lifestyle Christians should condone.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/christian-author-jen-hatmaker-it-is-high-time-christian-opened-wide-their-arms-to-the-lgbt-community.html

LifeWay Stops Selling Jen Hatmaker Books Due to Her LGBT Support

 LifeWay Christian Stores will no longer carry Christian author Jen Hatmaker’s books, according to Christianity Today.

In a statement, the Christian business says it will be discontinuing Hatmaker’s books due to her stance on LGBT issues.

“In the past, LifeWay Christian Resources published several resources with Jen Hatmaker. In a recent interview, she voiced significant changes in her theology of human sexuality and the meaning and definition of marriage—changes which contradict LifeWay’s doctrinal guidelines,” read the statement.

Hatmaker declined to comment on LifeWay’s decision.

Hatmaker drew attention and criticism when she posted back in April about how the church needs to embrace members of the LGBT community.

“It is high time Christians opened wide their arms, wide their churches, wide their tables wide their homes to the LGBT community,” she wrote in a Facebook post.

In a recent interview, she went on to expound on her support of LGBT people.

“From a civil rights and civil liberties side and from just a human being side, any two adults have the right to choose who they want to love. And they should be afforded the same legal protections as any of us. I would never wish anything less for my gay friends,” she said.

“Not only are these our neighbors and friends, but they are brothers and sisters in Christ. They are adopted into the same family as the rest of us, and the church hasn’t treated the LGBT community like family. We have to do better,” she continued.

Hatmaker’s latest book, For the Love, is a New York Times bestseller.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/lifeway-stops-selling-jen-hatmaker-books-due-to-her-lgbt-support.html


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:11 am
Yes, even this far-left news publication says it correctly!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a17cdbe8-cee7-3f87-a40d-13100da25c6d/ss_gays%2C-trump-is-not-going-to.html
Gays, Trump is Not Going to Take Away Your Rights
11/9/16

I assumed Hillary would win. I knew that the moment it was final I would be annoyed, but it simply never occurred to me to cry. The President of the United States is the head of one branch of government. The president is not a king. We vote every four years and progressively we have assigned ever more power to this individual - the exact situation the separation of powers was intended to prevent. Every four years we each scream about a potential savior and the absolute end of our country as we know it.

Every four years.

But this year is unique and the nonsense is profound. I can say with absolute certainty that there is not a politician in this country that could inspire me to weep with joy or despair. I was concerned about Hillary. I was worried about the consequences of additional leftist Supreme Court Justices. I was insecure with her foreign policy and domestic agenda. But I was never afraid.

The notion of Americans being afraid of their president is absurd and yet we are witnessing an emotional and psychological meltdown across our nation that can only be described as an epidemic. People have lost the ability to reason. Of the multitude of examples, the irrational demand that Trump is somehow a threat to gay people needs addressed.

Something LGBT need to understand is that in our system of government rights are not granted and our president cannot take them away. President Trump simply cannot take away gay marriage. It just doesn’t work that way. To be sure, there is no reason to believe Trump would want to if he could. In 2005, when both Obama and Hillary opposed gay marriage, Trump said this of Elton John and David Furnish’s marriage:

    “I know both of them, and they get along wonderfully. It’s a marriage that’s going to work,” Mr. Trump wrote, adding: “I’m very happy for them. If two people dig each other, they dig each other.”


What Trump has expressed disagreement with, to which I agree with him, is compulsory nation-wide same-sex marriage requirements on the states. Trump is not a conservative by any means, but he respects the autonomy of the states (as does Obama regarding marijuana legalization). Trump supports overturning Obergefell via the Supreme Court for the same reason I do: it isn’t Constitutionally sound and it unfairly limits the states which should be making their own marriage laws.

However, Trump cannot will this into being. Cases must be viewed by the Supreme Court; they are not assigned by the president. He could replace the entire court with his personal nominees and they would still require a valid court case to review. Even then it is highly unlikely due to the nature of the decision itself which invoked the 14th Amendment. If Obergefell were to be overturned it would not impact same-sex marriage at all, it would simply lift the restriction on the states against defining marriage between one man and one woman. Each state would have to choose to nullify the thousands upon thousands of legally recognized same-sex marriages performed in their state. This just isn’t going to happen.

Donald Trump has openly supported transgender individuals using whatever restroom they wish, famously inviting Caitlyn Jenner to use the restroom of her choice in Trump Tower and opposing North Carolina’s controversial HB2 law.. He is not a religious conservative but he supports legal protections to ensure religious freedom. LGBT obsessively demand religious freedom is code for ‘legalized discrimination against LGBT’ but this is merely a political tactic with no logical or rational basis.

Trump has openly embraced his gay supporters, displaying the rainbow flag with ‘LGBT for Trump’ written on it at a recent event. High profile gay advocates like Milo Yiannopolous and Chris Barron are enthusiastic supporters and the hashtag #GaysforTrump trended on twitter. He likely wouldn’t support the Equality Act for the same reasons, again, as I wouldn’t due to its overreaching abuse of Federal power and its unnecessary precedent.

Simply put: There really is no specific reason LGBT would oppose Trump and certainly no reason to fear him.

To claim Trump would negatively impact LGBT rights is honestly a routine argument used when demonstrating opposition to any generic Republican. LGBT like to wrap extremely leftist policy in emotional terms like ‘Marriage Equality’ to intimidate people from opposing them. They then claim Republicans are anti-gay when they speak out against said policies.

The arguments I see are generalized ‘He doesn’t support policies we want, therefore he hates us!’ which I do not recognize as valid.

I would say Donald Trump is neutral to positive towards the generalized world of LGBT. He lived in New York City as a TV personality billionaire for goodness sake. Why would anyone imagine he has a problem with gay people?

Gay people tend to demand that Trump opposes ‘pro-LGBT’ policies or ‘could’ impact some right or another and his choice of a socially conservative vice president solidified the confirmation bias. But this is really a case of ‘its not always about the gays.’ Trump just hasn’t focused on us either way and why should he? Gays in the United States are not really a high priority right now. We have an extremely low hate crime rate (0.01% of our population), we’ve been getting married to members of the same sex for years now, discrimination is so rare it is largely faked, most people are perfectly nice and accepting, HIV/AIDS is managed well and there are no legitimate legal concerns facing us.

What LGBT is upset about is we are still refusing to submit to their never-ending list of ridiculous identity-political demands and Trump is notorious for standing up to this kind of bullying.

I also think most LGBT genuinely believe, due to the constant propaganda of the the LGBT media, that the right hates them and Trump, by default, must too. We have watched hysterical cries of how dangerous Trump will be for everyone for so long its difficult to separate out the factual reality. The truth is we are not likely to come up at all and that’s a good thing. That’s what equality truly looks like.

I am not a Trump supporter or fan and I have absolutely no problem with opposition to his policies, ideas or actions. But this silly narrative needs to end.

    How Trump’s Win Could Mean Trouble For LGBT People Worldwide https://t.co/6TdyQnCDju pic.twitter.com/Bnp5CXlvLU
    — BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) November 9, 2016

Considering Hillary Clinton was funded by nations around the world that execute gay people per state law, this assertion is beyond parody.

I understand that the left is upset, just as the right would be if Hillary had won. I appreciate the discomfort with Trump and I even understand the generalized anxiety. But fear is just going too far and especially for gay people. We have to get to a place where we can engage in political debate without resorting to irrational histrionics. Gays: it really is fine. Trump isn’t going to hurt you I promise.

Over the next four years we will see all manner of outrageous attention-grabbing nonsense that will make the Bush years seem tame and boring and I am certain the LGBT media will never cease in their contributions. But four years from now gays across the nation will be living their lives just as they are now and hopefully will feel pretty silly over their meltdown today.

Not every event has to be the end of the world and remember, we have a representative government. The less power you assign at the highest levels the less you, as an individual, have to worry about someone abusing that power. Small government means more direct influence on said government by you.

In the meantime, you have plenty of things to worry about with this new transition, but LGBT rights simply are not one of them. Stop the fear-mongering.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Psalm 51:17 on November 13, 2016, 11:10:49 pm
https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/texas/19679-two-churches-removed-from-bgct-due-to-gay-issue
11/12/16
Two churches face removal from BGCT due to gay issue

Officials with the Baptist General Convention of Texas notified two churches an affirming stance toward LGBT members places them outside the bounds of “harmonious cooperation” with the state convention.

BGCT Executive Director David Hardage, BGCT President René Maciel and Executive Board Chairman David Russell sent letters Nov. 8 to First Baptist Church in Austin and Wilshire Baptist Church in Dallas.

“We have made no demands of the BGCT that it become welcoming and affirming” of same-sex relationships, said Griff Martin, pastor of First Baptist Church in Austin. “We’ve just asked for a place at the table.”

In the case of Wilshire, Pastor George Mason called the decision by BGCT leaders both “provocative” and “premature,” noting a relevant vote by his congregation has not been completed.

“The outcome is not yet known, and it will not be known until after the convention messengers are seated,” he said, noting Wilshire plans to send messengers to the BGCT annual meeting in Waco, Nov. 14.

The letter to Wilshire frames the congregation’s relationship to the BGCT in terms of “potential withdrawal.”

“Should your church choose to publicly affirm same-sex sexual behavior, the BGCT will no longer be able to accept funds from the church, seat its messengers to the annual meeting, allow the church to express affiliation with the BGCT or allow its members to serve on the BGCT boards, committees or other roles,” the letter states.

'Painful' but consistent with previous actions

“This is painful for us,” Hardage said. However, he said, it is consistent with previous Executive Board actions and resolutions adopted by messengers to annual meetings, declaring belief the Bible teaches any sexual relations outside the bounds of a male/female marriage are sinful.

So, he said, any church that essentially affirms other types of sexual relationships “effectively chooses to withdraw itself from harmonious cooperation with the churches of the convention.”

Due to the timing, some nominees from Wilshire will be presented as nominees to BGCT-related boards at the annual meeting.

“If elected, they will be given time to make a decision,” Hardage said. They may choose to resign from the board or move their church membership, he explained. Or, if the institution allows a percentage of non-BGCT-elected directors on its board and has a vacancy, the institution may choose to move the person into that position.

Although current policy requires BGCT Executive Board staff to be members of BGCT-affiliated churches, no immediate action will be taken regarding staff who are members of churches considered outside of  “harmonious cooperation” with the convention, he added. The BGCT Staff Support Committee will revisit the policy at its meeting prior to the February 2017 Executive Board meeting, he said.

Previous BGCT resolutions and actions

A resolution at the 1982 BGCT annual meeting stated, “The homosexual lifestyle is not normal or acceptable in God’s sight and is indeed called sin.”

In 1996, the BGCT Executive Board approved a report from its Messenger Seating Study Committee that said: “The Bible teaches that the ideal for sexual behavior is the marital union between husband and wife and that all other sexual relations—whether premarital, extramarital or homosexual—are contrary to God’s purposes and thus sinful. Homosexual practice is therefore in conflict with the Bible.”

In 1998, the convention’s Administrative Committee and Executive Board voted to decline any financial contributions from University Baptist Church in Austin after the congregation ordinated a gay man as a deacon. Messengers to the BGCT annual meeting subsequently affirmed the action. The recommendation as approved dealt not only with University Baptist, but also “any church which openly endorses moral views in conflict with biblical teaching.”

The BGCT Executive Board in 2010 took similar action toward Royal Lane Baptist Church in Dallas, saying the congregation’s decision to ordain gay deacons placed it outside the BGCT understanding of biblical sexual ethics.

“We haven’t changed,” Hardage said. “We’re trying to be both gracious and consistent.”

First Baptist Austin welcoming and affirming

A diversity statement on the First Baptist Church of Austin website states the congregation “welcomes and wants people of every race, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, age, physical and mental ability, nationality, and economic station to thrive in the full life of our community; (and) affirms and celebrates all people as created in God’s very image and likeness.”

In a Nov. 2 article in The Clarion, the church’s newsletter, Martin writes: “It might be helpful for us to think about our history and the bridges that we have crossed: our move from the old property to this new property, the bridge that lead us away from the Southern Baptist Convention, and the bridge from a system of only male leadership to equal leadership between genders. All the way to our most recent bridge of inclusivity, where we bravely walked into a place that too few Baptist churches have yet crossed over, saying that at First Austin, all are welcome and all are equal.

“This bridge has lead us to perform same-sex weddings, ordain LBGTQ+ deacons, and has helped create a safe space in the Baptist world for a group that was often excluded. Crossing that bridge has not come without cost. We have lost folks who did not agree and have begun to understand this stance may cost us our place in some of our affiliations.”

Wilshire in process of voting

Members of Wilshire are in the process of voting on a resolution to affirm the church’s “existing bylaws, which provide for a single class of membership.” An article included in the church’s newsletter and online explained the significance of the vote.

A “yes” vote “would permit all members to participate in congregational life on the same basis as any other church member regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. This affirms the ability of the church’s committees and lay and staff governance structures to consider all members for leadership, ordination, baby dedication and marriage based upon individual merit and the discernment of those duly elected to governance positions,” the explanation stated.

A “no” vote “affirms the existing principle that does not allow some members to be considered for certain leadership roles, ordination, baby dedication and marriage based upon sexual orientation or gender identity.”

Last fall, the deacons at Wilshire appointed an Inclusion and Diversity Study Group to guide church leaders on issues related to sexual orientation and church life.

In particular, the group studied questions regarding limitations on deacon service, ordination to ministry, marriages performed at the church or by ministerial staff and family dedications at Wilshire.

Mason responds

Throughout the process, Mason noted, the church deliberately avoided making public statements and avoided “welcoming and affirming” language that would “put the BGCT on the defensive or be interpreted as provocative.”

Instead, when the matter came to a church vote, the deacons framed it simply in terms of affirming the church’s existing bylaws.

“I do not accept the idea that we have withdrawn ourselves from the BGCT,” he said. “We believe we have been rejected by the BGCT.”

In earlier conversations with Hardage, Mason said, the two talked about ways the church might continue to support BGCT missions causes and work together on matters of shared concern. However, he interpreted the letter to mean the state convention did not want Wilshire’s support.

“The BGCT appears to care more about institutional survival than missional partnerships,” he said.

Austin church drafts open letter to Texas Baptists

In an open letter from First Baptist Church in Austin to BGCT leaders, the Austin congregation insists it acted in keeping with Baptist principles of biblical freedom, soul freedom, church freedom and religious freedom in reaching its welcoming-and-affirming position.

“As a church, we did our diligent theological work, being guided by the Spirit, meditating on sacred Scripture and hearing the stories and struggles of our own members. As a result of that thoughtful process, we are proudly and openly welcoming and affirming of all God’s beloved children,” the letter states.

The church asserts the BGCT violated local-church autonomy in taking its action.

“The current actions of the Texas Baptists’ leadership are blatantly against our very Baptist heritage of the autonomy of the local church, where each church has the freedom under the leadership of Christ and the Holy Spirit to make its own choices and stances,” the letter states.

Furthermore, the BGCT surrendered to the will of congregations opposed to LGBT-inclusion who threatened to withhold financial support, the letter asserts. Giving in to pressure on this issue could lead to the BGCT surrendering on other issues, such as women in ministry, Calvinism or biblical inerrancy, the letter says.

“When will you draw the line on what you will or won’t hold a required belief for being a Texas Baptist?” the letter asks. “Once we begin to listen to the voices who wield their power and financial strength in this way, we have begun a slippery slope to fundamentalism and irrelevancy. This is a familiar road we have been down.

“From our perspective, the current model of discernment being used by the leadership of Texas Baptists is based on money and influence, far from the model that Jesus set forth in the Gospels.”

Decisions based on principle and precedent

The BGCT had to make a decision based on principle and precedent, in light of the positions adopted by messengers to the annual meeting and actions taken by the Executive Board regarding LGBT issues, Hardage asserted.

“I believe a church can be welcoming but not affirming,” he said, explaining his belief churches can welcome people regardless of sexual orientation but maintain a traditional understanding of marriage and sexual ethics. “I believe that is not only possible, but also biblical. I also realize some would disagree.”

Hardage, Martin and Mason agreed on at least one point.

“It’s sad,” each said.


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 15, 2016, 03:32:23 pm
Texas Baptist Convention Issues Warning After Congregation Votes to Allow Openly ‘Gay’ Members, Leaders

he Baptist General Convention of Texas has sent a warning letter to a congregation in Dallas that recently voted to allow open homosexuals as members and leaders.

According to reports, Wilshire Baptist Church passed a motion 61 percent to allow those in unrepentant homosexual behavior to serve in the house of worship.

While the resolution didn’t specifically mention homosexuality, an explanation on the Wilshire website outlined its intent.

“[T]his resolution would permit all members to participate in congregational life on the same basis as any other church member regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity,” it reads. “This affirms the ability of the church’s committees and lay and staff governance structures to consider all members for leadership, ordination, baby dedication and marriage based upon individual merit and the discernment of those duly elected to governance positions.”

But the matter did not sit well with the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which oversees an estimated 5,000 Baptist churches in the state.

“Should your church choose to publicly affirm same-sex sexual behavior, the BGCT will no longer be able to accept funds from the church, seat its messengers to the annual meeting, allow the church to express affiliation with the BGCT or allow its members to serve on the BGCT boards, committees or other roles,” it warned in a letter to leader George Mason.

The Convention holds to the belief that sexual behavior between those of the same gender is a violation of the law of God.

“This is a painful time for Texas Baptists,” it said in a statement. “We have deep respect and appreciation for the churches involved. While Texas Baptists are loving, respectful and welcoming to all people, we have a longstanding and often reaffirmed biblical position on human sexuality.”

“As in the past, when a church chooses a position outside of the BGCT position, that church effectively withdraws from harmonious cooperation,” the Convention continued. “The BGCT values the autonomy of the local church and the harmony which is vital to the Convention’s purpose of fostering cooperative missions and ministries.”

The organization also sent a warning letter to First Baptist Church of Austin, which likewise welcomes openly homosexual members.

“This bridge has lead us to perform same-sex weddings, ordain LBGTQ+ deacons, and has helped create a safe space in the Baptist world for a group that was often excluded,” leaders wrote in a recent newsletter, according to the Baptist Standard. “Crossing that bridge has not come without cost. We have lost folks who did not agree and have begun to understand this stance may cost us our place in some of our affiliations.”

Convention Executive Director David Hardage told the outlet that he believes congregations “can be welcoming but not affirming”—allowing those who struggle with an attraction toward the same sex to attend services while holding fast to the Word of God on the issue of marriage and sexuality.

“I believe that is not only possible, but also biblical,” he said. “I also realize some would disagree.”

Romans 1:26-27 reads, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another—men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Jesus also said in Matthew 19:4-5, “Have ye not read that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

http://christiannews.net/2016/11/15/texas-baptist-convention-issues-warning-after-congregation-votes-to-allow-openly-gay-members-leaders/


Title: Re: The Falling Away, sodomite version
Post by: Mark on November 21, 2016, 07:53:31 pm
No, We Can't 'Agree to Disagree' on Marriage: Here's Why

 For years, a steady drumbeat of Christian pastors, musicians, and authors have announced they’ve “evolved” on the issue of homosexuality. Authors like Matthew Vines and more recently, Jen Hatmaker, musician Nicole Nordeman and Yale philosopher Nicholas Wolterstorff argue that the Bible doesn’t actually condemn same-sex “marriage.” Christians, they say, should bless such unions as “holy.”

Many of them have said that even if we don’t agree, we shouldn’t make it a big deal. We can “agree to disagree,” they say. Typically, they offer one of three reasons.

First, this issue, they say, is like the mode of baptism, or worship styles, or wine versus grape juice in the Lord’s Supper. In other words, homosexuality is a matter of preference, an area where believers can respect one another’s differences.

But this doesn’t make sense for either side. Advocates of same-sex “marriage” say it’s a human right. If that’s true, the traditional view is not just mistaken, it’s dangerous! Opponents say that acts of homosexuality are sinful. If that’s true, then Christians can’t agree to disagree either.

Second, we often hear that the Church is evolving on this issue, especially every time a Christin celebrity changes their minds. But the vast majority of evangelicals still hold to the traditional view, and they’re not changing their minds anytime soon. As my “BreakPoint This Week” cohost, Ed Stetzer, points out in Christianity Today, “Evangelical organizations across the spectrum are making clear where they stand on marriage.” Groups like the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Christianity Today, and even more progressive social-justice-minded organizations like World Vision and Fuller Seminary, have all unambiguously committed to hold the line on this issue.

As have denominations. Virtually every evangelical communion has reaffirmed God’s design for sex and marriage.  Even in the United Methodist Church, long considered a stronghold of liberal theology, and in the worldwide Anglican communion, the marriage debate has taken a conservative turn as traditional members in Africa and elsewhere exert their influence.

But, some will reply, “If Christians don’t all agree on what marriage is, you can’t say there’s such a thing as ‘the Christian position.’” But Christian truth isn’t made of what people who call themselves Christians say. It’s revealed truth, made known through creation, through Scripture, ultimately through Christ—each of which are quite clear about what makes us male and female, what marriage is, and about sexual morality.

Which is why Christians never questioned marriage until culturally yesterday. A post-sexual revolution claim just a few years old does nothing to negate the consistent Christian witness about marriage throughout all of history.

Which brings up the final argument, “If marriage is a core part of Christian teaching,” we hear, “why isn’t it in the creeds or the councils? Why did no one talk about it until now?” The answer is, because no one questioned what marriage is until now—anywhere, much less in the Church.

Throughout history, the need to clarify certain Christian doctrines has almost always arisen because of challenges. No one thought we needed a canon, until Marcion suggested some books weren’t Scripture. No one thought we needed to clarify Jesus’ place in the Godhead, until the Arian heresy. In each case, what was upheld wasn’t a theological innovation, but a clarification of the consistent Christian teaching.

So next time someone says, let’s just agree to disagree about this issue, say, “No. Instead, let’s agree to love each other and to pursue the truth together.” That’s a much better way forward.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/breakpoint/no-we-can-t-agree-to-disagree-on-marriage-here-s-why.html


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Post by: Mark on November 21, 2016, 08:23:40 pm
Baptist Church Turns Back on Denomination, Embraces Apostasy

A Texas Baptist church voted to embrace gay marriage and consequently, will be forced out of The Baptist General Convention of Texas.

Wilshire Baptist Church voted 577-367 (61 percent) to affirm that the church bylaws recognize a single class of membership, which would allow for all members to be treated equally, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, with respect to leadership, ordination, baby dedications and marriage. 

BGCT will formally tell Wilshire Baptist church, which left the Southern Baptist Convention years ago, they are no longer in "harmonious cooperation" with the organization. 

"All Texas Baptists are loving, respectful and welcoming to all people. But while we are welcoming, we are not affirming," a spokesman told the Washington Post.

"We will take up the matter of our relationship to the BGCT on our own terms in the near future, as cooperation with such bodies is voluntary and springs primarily from the church to the convention, rather than the other way round," Rev. George Mason said in a letter to his congregation. 

Mason expects at least 100 people to leave after the church's vote.

http://www.charismanews.com/us/61419-baptist-church-turns-back-on-denomination-embraces-apostasy


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Post by: Mark on December 05, 2016, 10:26:47 pm
Prominent Baptist Minister Says ‘Gay Marriage’ Is ‘Law of Land,’ Christians Need to Move on to Abortion

Like President-elect Donald Trump, a prominent Baptist minister in Texas who backed Trump’s campaign efforts says that despite his opposition, same-sex “marriage” is “settled law,” and Christians should move on to another issue, such as abortion.

Robert Jeffress, who leads First Baptist Church in Dallas, spoke last week with Good Morning Texas, which noted that Jeffress’ longstanding fight against the issue is now “water under the bridge.”

“This is not going to be re-litigated by the Supreme Court. That is the law of the land. I wish it were different, but it’s not different,” he said emphatically.

Jeffress outlined that he told Christians and others not to urge Trump to make the sanctity of marriage a part of his campaign.

“And actually I had to argue against some hard-right Catholics and evangelicals who wanted Mr. Trump to make that a campaign issue,'” he explained. “I said, ‘Guys, forget it. It’s over.'”

“We need to go on to other things, like protecting the unborn,” Jeffress said.

As previously reported, last month, Trump told CBS’ “60 Minutes” that he believes the issue of same-sex “marriage” has been “settled” by the U.S. Supreme Court and that he is “fine with that.”

“Do you support marriage equality?” interviewer Leslie Stahl inquired.

“It’s irrelevant because it was already settled,” Trump replied. “It’s law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean, it’s done.”

“So even if you appoint a judge that—,” Stahl interjected, alluding to the possibility of overturning Obergefell.

“It’s done,” Trump stated. “These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. They’ve been settled. And I’m fine with that.”

While Trump believes that same-sex nuptials are settled with the U.S. Supreme Court, he is conversely open to appointing justices that would overturn Roe v. Wade.

f it (Roe v. Wade) ever were overturned, it would go back to the states,” he said.

“Yeah, but then some women won’t be able to get an abortion?” Stahl asked.

“No, it’ll go back to the states,” Trump replied.

He said that if abortion then becomes illegal in one state, that “they’ll perhaps have to go to another state.”

“And that’s okay?” Stahl asked.

“Well, we’ll see what happens,” Trump stated. “It’s got a long way to go, just so you understand. That has a long, long way to go.”

During last week’s interview with Good Morning Texas, Jeffress was also questioned about past statements decrying Roman Catholicism, but said, “Look, I believe there are going to be millions of Catholics in heaven because they have trusted in Christ as their savior.”

He did, however, advise in regard to Islam that Christ said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

“Any false religion ultimately is a deception of Satan to try to keep people from the only way to Heaven, which is by faith in Jesus Christ,” Jeffress stated.

http://christiannews.net/2016/12/05/prominent-baptist-minister-says-gay-marriage-is-law-of-land-christians-need-to-move-on-to-abortion/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on December 06, 2016, 06:54:12 am
2 years from now, Jeffress will be forced to admit that Roe V Wade is the law of the land.

What's next? Will he be forced to admit other abominations like polygamy, pedifile, etc are the laws of the land (if they get legalized, that is)?


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Post by: Mark on January 12, 2017, 05:52:32 pm
Baptist ‘Church’ in Nation’s Capital Hires ‘Married’ Lesbian Women to Lead Congregation

A historic Baptist “church” in the nation’s capital has hired two “married” lesbian women to lead their congregation, a move that has raised concerns among Baptists nationwide.
Calvary Baptist Church, which disassociated with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2012, presented Maria Swearingen and Sally Sarratt as “co-pastors” this past Sunday, according to a press release from the Ministerial Selection Committee.

The two hail from Greenville, South Carolina as Sarratt had been serving as associate chaplain in the Greenville Health System and Swearingen as associate chaplain at Furman University. Sarratt had also been working part time at Greenville Unitarian Universalist Fellowship.

“As we met and talked with Sally and Maria about their vision for pastoral leadership at Calvary, we were struck by their deep faith and commitment to being part of a gospel community,” Committee Chair Carol Blythe said in a statement.

“We were impressed by how their gifts, talents, and experience matched our ministry priorities—and we are thrilled about their upcoming pastorate and the versatility the co-pastor model will provide our congregation,” she added.

The women are expected to assume their roles in February.

But some have expressed concern over the arrangement, including Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

“Here you have a church—Calvary Baptist Church, one of the most historic congregations in the nation’s capital—that has now called a legally married lesbian couple as co-pastors,” he said on Tuesday during his podcast “The Briefing.” “The overarching pattern [in this matter] is the trajectory of American Protestant liberalism. That liberalism began as an impulse to try to modify Christianity so that it would fit better into a modern age.”

Mohler opined that the problems, however, go deeper than lesbianism, as he noted that one of the women works as a minister for a universalist assembly.

The Unitarian Universalist Association website outlines, “Few of us believe in divine judgment after death. It’s in our religious DNA: the Universalist side of our tradition broke with mainstream Christianity by rejecting the idea of eternal damnation.”

“If the [District of Columbia Baptist Convention] does not expel Calvary Baptist Church from their membership, then they by very definition simply become a convention that will accept—that indeed does accept—a church that has legally married lesbian co-pastors in terms of their own membership,” Mohler stated.

But Convention director Robert Cochran told reporters that the organization has no intention of expelling Calvary Baptist.

“We have no plans to disassociate [with Calvary]. To the best of my knowledge, the D.C. Baptist Convention, due to its respect for local congregational autonomy, has never withdrawn fellowship from any congregation,” he told the Baptist Press.

As previously reported, in 2014, Calvary Baptist ordained Daniel Robinson, a “transgender” who goes by the name Allyson Robinson.

“Allyson Dylan Robinson is a minister of the gospel, trained for the task, and ordained to the gospel ministry by another community in which she has served as pastor,” former leader Amy Butler wrote at that time. “Over the course of her journey, God has invited her to step into the faithful witness of a new identity, a true identity, and a new name.”

Robinson now speaks as an itinerant preacher and appeared at Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner’s renaming ceremony in 2015.

“Frankly I consider Job, Gautama Buddha, Joan of Arc, Rumi and Johnny Cash to be my spiritual predecessors far more than Augustine, Aquinas or Barth,” he told the Alliance of Baptists in April. “My hymnal has a lot less Isaac Watts and Fanny Crosby, but it’s full of Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Tupac and Beyonce.”

http://christiannews.net/2017/01/12/baptist-church-in-nations-capital-hires-married-lesbian-women-to-lead-congregation/


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Post by: Mark on January 17, 2017, 04:40:56 am
Divinity Schools: Stop Using ‘He’ or ‘Him’ to Refer to God

Guidelines at two top U.S. divinity schools have recommended professors use “inclusive” gender-neutral language—including for God, according to documents from both Duke and Vanderbilt.

Vanderbilt’s 2016-2017 catalog says the divinity school “commits continuously and explicitly to include gender as an analyzed category and to mitigate sexism” in its teachings. “This includes consistent attention to the use of inclusive language, especially in relation to the Divine,” the divinity school catalog says.

Melissa Snarr, the associate dean for academic affairs at Vanderbilt’s divinity school, said in an emailed statement that the 2016-2017 guidelines actually stem from a policy that dates back to 1999.

That document states that “masculine titles, pronouns, and imagery for God have served as a cornerstone for the patriarchy,” while also noting that not all of God’s names are gendered. It recommended “exploration of fresh language for God.”

Vanderbilt faculty vary in their views about how to express the divine, Snarr said. “It is up to the individual professor’s interpretation for their classes and is suggestive rather than mandatory,” she said of the 2016-2017 guidelines.

Duke’s divinity school has a more detailed set of guidelines—but also one that applies to fewer of its students.

The “inclusive language” guidelines were created for a divinity school program geared toward people already working in the Methodist church, taking supplemental weekend or summer classes. That’s “a totally different path than matriculated students,” said a Duke spokeswoman.

Duke’s guidelines offers suggestions “as a beginning point for developing a more inclusive language about God.”

Those suggestions include avoiding gender-specific pronouns, instead using “God” and “Godself.”

The Duke guidelines also suggest professors forgo gendered metaphors for God. For instance, a professor might say “God is a parent to us all” instead of “a father.” Another option: Mixing gender in metaphors. A professor could say, for example, “God is the father who welcomes his son, but she is also the woman searching for the lost coin.”

“Referring to God in gender-neutral language can sound clumsy,” the Duke guidelines say, “but this is largely due to the fact that we are in a transitional period with our use of language. Imagination, patience, and diligence are required in order to use language that expands and enriches our understanding of God.”

Other prominent universities have also wrestled with how inclusive language policies relate to their divinity programs.

Notre Dame’s Theology Department issued a statement recognizing “the ongoing debate and conflicting views about gender-sensitive language for God.” In the end, it opted to issue no formal policy, leaving the decision to professors.

And the editors of the Harvard Theological Review took a more hardline approach, writing that “it is not always appropriate to employ inclusive language when referring to God or divine beings.”

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/divinity-schools-stop-using-he-or-him-to-refer-to-god/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on January 19, 2017, 03:14:03 pm
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Post by: Mark on January 25, 2017, 05:41:27 pm
Apostate ‘Elder Team’ Welcomes Homosexuals ‘In Any and All Levels of Leadership’ After ‘Seeking Unity’

Members of the elder team of Denver Community Church (DCC) announced this week that following a two-year discussion period, and out of a desire to “seek unity,” they have decided to allow homosexuals and transgenders to have full inclusion, including “in any and all levels of leadership.”

DCC is led by Michael Hidalgo, and its elders are comprised of both men and women who “have determined to live in the ways of Jesus,” according to the DCC website.

On Sunday, members of the elder team announced to the congregation that they have decided to allow homosexuals and transgenders to serve in leadership roles. They also released a public video the following day explaining the announcement, as well as the two-year discussion period that led to their conclusion.

“In our journey and conversation, we studied Scripture, prayed together, challenged one another, heard from various viewpoints, and invited our brothers and sisters in the LGBT community to share their stories with us,” the elders state in the four-minute message.

They note that following the process, the leadership concluded that they still do not agree with homosexual behavior, but “felt called to transcend our viewpoints and seek unity.”

“This is what we’ve prayed for—that we would experience unity over uniformity,” one of the female elders outlines.

As a result, the elders agreed unanimously that those involved in the homosexual lifestyle and who present themselves as the opposite gender should have full inclusion in the congregation, including “in any and all levels of leadership.”

“We officially encourage you, invite you and support you, as we do with all who call DCC home—to be involved in the ministry, the community and the work of this church, in any and all levels of leadership,” they said. “We believe this is in keeping with the direction of our faith community, to be a place where everyone can belong, can contribute and be open to the transformative work that God wants to do in each of us.”

The elders said that they recognize that some within the congregation will disagree with the direction, but advised that the leadership believes that God would include homosexuals and transgenders, and so they should too.

“[W]e are committed in imitation of the wild, inclusive love of God that we see in Scripture to include those we believe God includes, and who are already a part of the body of Christ,” they outlined.

“Being queer and trans myself this announcement really makes me happy!” one commenter wrote in response.

“I am so incredibly moved and grateful to be a part of this church community that is so full of love and God’s presence,” another member wrote.

DCC began holding an “LGBT Learning Group” on Jan. 18, which will last for five weeks, to continue discussion on the issue. The group is open to the community at large.

As previously reported, Christians believe that homosexuality—like any sin—is a part of the Adamic sin nature that must be regenerated by the second birth, as Jesus outlined in John 3:5-7, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 also reads in speaking of being a new creation in Christ, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God. And such were some of you, but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

http://christiannews.net/2017/01/25/apostate-elder-team-welcomes-homosexuals-in-any-and-all-levels-of-leadership-after-seeking-unity/


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Post by: Mark on January 31, 2017, 07:18:27 pm
Norway’s Lutheran Church Embraces Same-Sex ‘Marriage’

Norway’s Lutheran Church voted on Monday in favor of new ceremonial language that will allow its pastors to conduct same-sex marriages, bringing it into line with several other mainstream Protestant denominations abroad.

Last April the annual conference of the Church—to which nearly three quarters of Norwegians said in 2015 they belonged—backed the principle of same-sex marriages, but did not agree on a wording.

Monday’s decision involved modifying the marriage text to make it gender-neutral, removing the words “bride” and “groom”. The new liturgy will come into effect on Wednesday.

Continue reading this story >>
http://christiannews.net/2017/01/31/norways-lutheran-church-embraces-same-sex-marriage/


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Post by: Mark on February 07, 2017, 07:04:25 pm
Blaspheming Holy Spirit Marks Church of England 'Gay Slang' Service

A Church of England theological college held a service involving gay slang, it has emerged.

The service, at the chapel of Westcott House, Cambridge, was held to mark LGBT history month.
Yep that Westcott..

It involved gay slang 'translations' of church liturgy and readings from the so-called 'Polari Bible', which describes God as 'Gloria,' Christ as 'Crystal' and the Holy Spirit as the 'Fantabulosa Fairy.'

Polari

Officials at the college authorized the service but say they were unaware of the wording to be used.

Polari is an antiquated slang language used by gay men before homosexuality was legalized.

In 2003, a group called the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence carried out a full translation of Scripture into Polari.

In a warping of Jesus' words to the woman caught in adultery in John 8:11, the Polari Bible website encourages readers to: "Go forth and sin some more!"

Blasphemous Readings

A person present at the service told the BBC that it was led by a trainee priest and attended by other trainees.

The readings included Joel 2:13a-b: "Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and merciful."

It was read in Polari as "Rend your thumping chest and not your frocks—and turn unto the duchess your Gloria: for she is bona and merciful".

The traditional "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit" became: "Fabeness be to the Auntie, and to the Homie Chavvie and to the Fantabulosa Fairy".

'Upset'

The principal of Westcott House, Rev. Canon Chris Chivers, did not admit that the service was blasphemous but said he recognized the "contents of the service are at variance with the doctrine and teaching of the Church of England".

"Inevitably for some members of the house, this caused considerable upset and disquiet, and I have spoken at length to those involved in organizing the service.

"I will be reviewing and tightening the internal mechanisms of the house to ensure this never happens again," he said.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/62863-blaspheming-holy-spirit-marks-church-of-england-gay-slang-service


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on February 14, 2017, 03:39:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6oKcl27HZE&t=0s


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Post by: Mark on March 02, 2017, 08:38:51 pm
Apostasy Watch: Glitter Ash Welcomes 'Gay Christians' to Celebrate Lent

This is a triple whammy, Ash Wednesday, Lent are fake catholic magical holidays and now its Glitter Ash day..  :D

First, CoverGirl dubs its first cover boy, complete with glittery makeup. Now, pastors across the nation are mixing purple glitter into ashes for Ash Wednesday.

Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent in the Western church world. It's a liturgical practice marked by fasting, prayer and sacrifice that starts 46 days before Easter.

"I think it's really important for the church to respond to the intolerance and culture of fear that is being created especially toward LGBTQ people," April Gutierrez, pastor of Berry United Methodist, told the Chicago Tribune. Ash Wednesday, she told the paper, is a moment for believers to remember who they are called to be as Christians.

Some are calling this blasphemy, but Marian Edmonds-Allen, executive director of a faith-based organization that works to empower LGBT and allied people, disagrees.

"In fact, the whole point of Glitter Ash Wednesday is to reflect the deep, somber, serious faith in Jesus' life, death and resurrection that millions of queer Christians have," she says. "And yes, there are millions of us queer and queer-positive Christians. Surprised? No wonder, because the lie gets told over and over again that 'God hates (obscenity)' and that homosexuality is sinful. Precious few queer Christians survive the hate and make it through to become visible members of the church."

I don't believe God hates homosexuals, but homosexuality is absolutely a sin. The truth is God loves homosexuals but hates the sin because it separates Him from the creation He loved so much He sent His only begotten Son to die (John 3:16). Glitter Ash Wednesday is just one more demonic propaganda tool to mainstream perversion.

What's our response as a church? Pray, prophesy and preach the unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ.

The gospel is good news, but Satan has blinded the minds of those who don't believe (2 Cor. 4:4). We need to pray that the blinders are removed. We need to prophesy life and not curse people trapped in homosexuality. And we need to stand firm on the truth, because that's what sets people free.

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/watchman-on-the-wall/63348-apostasy-watch-glitter-ash-welcomes-gay-christians-to-celebrate-lent


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Post by: Mark on March 13, 2017, 06:26:42 pm
Female Minister Who Identifies as Male Asserts: ‘God Is Transgender’

read that again

 A female minister in Texas who identifies as male recently declared at the state capitol that “God is transgender” in expressing her opposition to a proposed bill that requires those using restrooms and locker rooms in government buildings and public schools to use the facility that corresponds with the gender on their birth certificate.

Seth Wynn, who leads Agape Metropolitan Community Church in Fort Worth, began her speech refuting another pastor who had cited the Book of Genesis in expressing support for the legislation.

“In the beginning, God created humankind in God’s image. God created them male and female, so God is transgender,” Wynn asserted, as those gathered erupted in cheers and applause.

“So, it’s important that we all remember that—that we’re all created in the image of what is holy and divine and sacred, and we should all be treated that way,” she added.

Wynn cited a quote from author Anne Lamont, suggesting that those who disagree with transgenderism are hateful and have created a God in their own image.

“If I have anything to do about it, … we’re going to stop using God to hate people,” she declared, again drawing loud cheers. “Because it’s true—I think Anne Lamont said this—If God hates all the same people you do, then you’ve created God in your image.”

As previously reported, Wynn spoke before the Senate Affairs Committee on Tuesday, stating that bill’s requirement to use the restroom that corresponds with one’s birth gender poses an issue. Wynn’s birth certificate says female, but she sports a full beard.

“There’s been a lot of conversation, too, about having men in the women’s bathroom,” she said. “And I guarantee you there’s going to be a problem if I show up in a woman’s bathroom.”

Wynn later stated during her speech outside the capitol that she didn’t believe many of those who testified in favor of the bill were being loving.

“I felt a lot a things in that room this morning, and love and compassion and were not those,” she said. “So, let us also be mindful to be embodiments of, and be the people, who even as we stand up for our communities and ourselves, we still are loving and compassionate and truthful.”

As previously reported, the bill at issue is Senate Bill 6, also known as the Texas Privacy Act. It was filed by Sen. Lois Kolkhorst, R-Brenham in January.

The measure is three pronged: It prohibits local municipalities from creating ordinances that control restroom usage at private businesses, requires those who use lavatories or locker rooms at government buildings and schools to use the men’s room if they were born a man and vice versa, and increases criminal penalties for crimes committed in restrooms, dressing rooms or locker rooms.

“A political subdivision or state agency with control over multiple-occupancy bathrooms or changing facilities in a building owned or leased by this state or the political subdivision, as applicable, shall develop a policy requiring each multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility located in the building to be designated for and used only by persons of the same biological sex,” S.B. 6 reads in part.

The bill was advanced by the committee on Wednesday with only a single lawmaker voting against it.

http://christiannews.net/2017/03/12/female-minister-who-identifies-as-male-asserts-god-is-transgender/

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 22, 2017, 11:01:41 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ6soKqdhmo


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on March 27, 2017, 12:52:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9FNrTMDFI&t=946s


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Post by: Mark on April 12, 2017, 07:33:42 pm
Profane ‘Pastor’ Welcomes Open Homosexuals, Admits He ‘Doesn’t Care’ What Bible Says

A profanity-speaking preacher who has lost hundreds in his congregation over his decision to allow open homosexuals to serve in leadership positions, and who says he “doesn’t care” what the Bible has to say on the issue, is featured in a new online video that has received over a million views in less than a week.

Ryan Meeks is the founder of EastLake Community Church in Bothell, Washington, which identifies itself as “an inclusive Christian community where faith is less about a story to be believed as it is a life to be lived.”

In 2015, Meeks announced that he believed a “move of the Spirit” caused him to rethink how he had handled the issue of homosexuality. In the April 8th video released by Upworthy, Meeks—amid clips of profanity usage—noted that he used to shy away from the topic.

“When it came to the conversation around the LGBT community and church policy, or what does the Bible say about homosexuality, I always felt awkward about it. I didn’t want to bring it up,” he explained.

“I felt like I needed to scare people into believing the right thing because the God who loves them is going to send most of human history to Hell,” Meeks said. “That’s the Good News? Sounds pretty [expletive]!”

He outlined that when one of the members of the EastLake worship team came out as a lesbian and feared that she would consequently lose the right to serve, he questioned how he had come across to others.

“[M]y heart broke and I just realized I had been a coward for too long,” Meeks recalled.

He decided that EastLake would therefore be “open and affirming” going forward. However, he knew that the choice would carry consequences and he might lose the congregation.

“I took so many sit-down meetings where people with their open Bible would be like (pointing to the Scriptures),” he said, mocking their insistence to hold to the word of God.

According to the Upworthy video, hundreds left EastLake over the decision, which resulted in the loss of $2.8 million, the layoff of staff and the closure of its campuses.

But despite the backlash, Meeks has not changed his mind.

“I don’t care if the Bible says, ‘Gay people [crude language],'” he declared. “The Bible is pro-slavery, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. It doesn’t have a very great view of women leading and teaching. I have lots of things I disagree with about the Bible.”

“We’ve decided [the Bible] fell from the sky and now we’ve got to [use] it like a manual for how to run the Earth, how to legislate morality. And that’s not what it is,” Meeks asserted. “If we need to consult an ancient book to know what to do when a human being is in front of us, I think we’re [crude language] already.”

The video has received mixed response from its over one million viewers.

“As a bi-sexual Christian, this is the kind of church we need more of. I only found one that wholeheartedly accepted me and I had to move away so couldn’t continue going there. They also loved me regardless of the fact I had a child out of wedlock as a single mother. Anywhere else I’ve gone has tried to force me to change,” one commenter wrote. “Judgment is not love.”

“Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. God loves us so much that He doesn’t want us to remain in our sinfulness, but He wants to transform us by the renewing of our minds—to go from glory to glory,” another stated. “We are all born into sin, and homosexuality was not how God created us to be intimate with one another. Any Bible believing, Holy Spirit-filled Christian will come to this conclusion.”

As previously reported, Christians believe that homosexuality—like any sin—is a part of the Adamic sin nature that must be regenerated by the second birth, as Jesus outlined in John 3:5-7, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

http://christiannews.net/2017/04/12/profane-pastor-welcomes-open-homosexuals-admits-he-doesnt-care-what-bible-says/


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Post by: Mark on April 24, 2017, 08:56:13 pm
Lesbian Methodist bishop faces challenge to her election

Karen Oliveto clutched a friend's hand, closed her eyes and wept when she learned last year she had been elected a bishop of the United Methodist Church. Oliveto, who is married to another woman, had become the denomination's first openly gay bishop.

Within minutes, a formal complaint was filed challenging her election as contrary to the church ban on clergy who are "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" - a petition that the highest Methodist judicial authorities agreed to consider. On Tuesday, the court will take up the closely watched case, the latest flashpoint over LGBT rights in a denomination splintering over the Bible and homosexuality.

"It highlights very greatly that we are two different churches and that the real difference is whether or not we're going to live by the covenant that we each have agreed to," said the Rev. Rob Renfroe, who leads Good News, a caucus of evangelical Methodists that has lobbied to uphold current teaching. Said Oliveto, "I'm in deep prayer, reminding myself of what God has called me to do."

Oliveto, who is based in the Denver area, will attend the hearing in Newark, New Jersey, accompanied by fellow bishops from the church's Western Jurisdiction, her wife, mother and childhood pastor. LGBT clergy and their supporters plan to pray outside and wear T-shirts listing the first names only of gay clergy who would risk losing their ministerial credentials by coming out.

The goal is to underscore the human cost of church policy, said the Rev. Lea Matthews of the LGBT advocacy group Methodists in New Directions. Prayer vigils are planned in the Methodist Mountain Sky Area region, which Oliveto leads, while others will join a prayer vigil online.

The court, or Judicial Council, is expected to issue a ruling a few days later.

The 12.8 million-member church, the third-largest in the U.S., was already in turmoil over same-sex relationships when Oliveto was elected. Methodists approved language in 1972 calling same-gender relationships "incompatible with Christian teaching." The top church policy-making body, or General Conference, has upheld that policy ever since, even as LGBT rights gained acceptance and other mainline Protestants, including the Episcopal Church and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), approved same-sex marriage. In recent years, the Methodists have seen their greatest growth overseas, especially in Africa, among more theologically conservative people, who have been standing with U.S. evangelical Methodists against recognizing same-gender relationships.

Deeply frustrated, Methodist LGBT advocates have stepped up pressure for new policies, holding same-sex weddings in defiance of church prohibitions and coming out as gay and lesbian from the pulpit. Conservatives responded by intensifying demands for church discipline over such actions. In one high-profile case, the Rev. Frank Schaefer was tried by a church court and defrocked for presiding at the wedding of his son to another man. Schaefer was later reinstated as a minister on an appeal of the ruling.

These divisions erupted dramatically last year at a meeting of the General Conference, which was rife with talk of a possible schism. At one point, LGBT advocates on the perimeter of a session lay on the floor with rainbow-colored duct tape over their mouths. In a narrow 428-405 vote, the conference delayed consideration of LGBT-related proposals and instead created a panel, called the Commission on a Way Forward, to review all church policy on human sexuality, aiming to find a way to keep the church together.

Renfroe said he was more focused on the outcome of the commission's work than the Oliveto hearing, although he said her election has made it harder to persuade conservative congregations to stay with the denomination while the commission conducts its review. Two large Mississippi congregations recently voted to move toward a split from the church.

In making a ruling, the high court will consider technical aspects of church law, contained in the Methodist Book of Discipline, said William Lawrence, a professor at the Perkins School of Theology at Southern Methodist University and a former member of the Judicial Council. Potential outcomes range from a technical decision on procedure alone that keeps Oliveto in place to a decision that would void her election, Lawrence said. "There is an extraordinary range," Lawrence said.

Ahead of the hearing, Oliveto released a video message to her church region in which she expressed some anxiety. "I find myself holding my breath in this time of uncertainty," she said. But she said she felt assured that "God is working God's purpose out."

"I love being your bishop," she said, then asked Methodists to pray.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REL_METHODISTS_LESBIAN_BISHOP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-24-14-27-49


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Post by: Mark on April 30, 2017, 04:40:43 am
someone did something right

UMC Rules Against Apostasy, LGBT Bishops As Clergy

The United Methodist Church Judicial Council ruled lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual members could not be consecrated as clergy.

The ruling came after married lesbian Karen Oliveto was consecrated as bishop last year. Despite the ruling, Oliveto can still serve as bishop until it is determined she violated these standards. guess not, she is a woman

"The Judicial Council had a difficult task of ruling on the narrow basis of church law that has been carefully developed over the years to protect the rights of clergy accused of wrongdoing—sometimes well beyond the bounds of reasonable doubt and to the point of sidelining concern for victims," UMAction Director and 2016 General Conference delegate John Lomperis said in a release.
 
"I celebrate that these landmark rulings should now make it significantly easier to bring accountability for pastors who choose to violate biblical standards for sexual self-control. We are slowly but increasingly strengthening biblical accountability in our church," the statement continued.

According to the release, this binding ruling clarifies several matters in United Methodist church law: Because of church standards only recognizing monogamous, heterosexual marriage and disapproving of sexual relations outside of it (Paragraphs 161B, 161F, 310.2d, and 2702.1b of the UMC's governing Book of Discipline), which UMC clergy must vow to uphold, any "partnered homosexual ... does not meet the minimum standards" for ordination, and a minister found to be "openly homosexual and partnered" cannot be made bishop.

To be disciplined for violating separate provisions prohibiting the ordination of "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" (Paragraphs 304.3 and 2702.1b), it can be enough to prove that a minister is in a same-sex civil marriage.

http://www.charismanews.com/us/64596-umc-rules-against-apostasy-lgbt-bishops-as-clergy


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 01, 2017, 06:11:57 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/lgbtqp-flag-flown-wheaton-college-taken-gay-pride-flag/
The LGBTQP Gay Pride Flag Flown At Wheaton Christian College Before Being Taken Down
Wheaton College released a statement admitting that someone had posted the gay pride flag without permission—but it has since been taken down.


by Geoffrey Grider May 1, 2017

There’s a controversy brewing at one of the nation’s most prominent Christian colleges. It seems someone posted a gay pride flag in the dining hall at Wheaton College.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:” Romans 1:26 (KJV)

The mother of a Wheaton student sent me a photograph. “When the gay pride flag flies at your Christian college, it is a direct attack on the Word of God; it’s shameful,” the parent told me.

She asked that she not be identified, and I’ve obliged.

“Wheaton has compromised with truth long ago and fears the wrath of media and gay students more than they fear the Lord God,” she said.
Wheaton College released a statement admitting that someone had posted the gay pride flag without permission—but it has since been taken down.

“The flag, which had been placed among a display of international flags that hang throughout the dining hall, was immediately removed from the display,” the statement read.

There’s no word on how long the flag had been posted, but the mom who contacted me said students who believe in traditional values are afraid to speak out—lest they offend activists.

“Whether or not the raising of the flag was approved, this is how afraid these kids are of seeming like bigots or homophobes,” the mom told me. “That have learned well that blatantly standing for truth is not well received there on this issue.”

“The real important issue is the subtle and not-so-subtle silencing of those who believe in the objective truths of God’s Word,” she added. “When the flagship school of evangelicalism sends the message that to do so is hateful or unkind, we are in deep trouble. And we are.” source


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 21, 2017, 06:26:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lypPLGvrR_Y&t=0s


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on May 22, 2017, 02:33:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8tDUvb0CMs&t=78s


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Post by: Mark on May 29, 2017, 05:56:37 pm
‘Church of Scotland’ Backs Homosexual Unions

The Church of Scotland has taken steps to allow its ministers to perform same-sex “weddings,” after debating a report in its General Assembly.

The report, put forward by the influential Theological Forum, acknowledged that the Bible condemns same-sex acts, but claimed Scripture was framed by cultural context.

Marriage was redefined in Scotland in 2014, but individual churches are not required to participate in same-sex ceremonies.

Continue reading this story

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/church-scotland-backs-homosexual-unions/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 03, 2017, 09:26:31 am
http://www.faithfamilyamerica.com/church_planting_leader_comes_out_as_transgender_woman

Church Planting Leader Comes Out as Transgender Woman
By Judy Clair
faith June 23, 2017

These are signs of the times, of a Church in trouble. We are seeing more Christians divided by the issue of sexuality, though the Bible is quite clear on its stance about gender and sexuality.

Paul Williams, former leader of the conservative church planting organization Orchard Group for 20 years, has publicly come out as a transgender woman named Paula Stone Williams, reports the Christian Post. His son, Jonathan (also a pastor), shares with the New York Times in a recent interview about how he found out and how it rocked him.

Paul told his son in 2012, a year before he retired from his leadership position.  "She said transgender," Jonathan said, referring to his father.

"I was relieved for a split second, not really knowing or understanding what it was," he shared. "This was before Caitlyn Jenner or 'Transparent.' Then within minutes, going: 'Oh, wait a second — wait a second. This is a way bigger deal. I would rather you be gay or be splitting up from Mom.' It was this weird wave of emotion. We had a church Christmas party that night, so I get this information and I have to go to the church Christmas party and pretend everything's O.K. I drank too much and did my best to put on a happy face, but it was pretty brutal."

Keeping the secret was so hard on Jonathan. "I couldn't say anything to anyone," shared Jonathan, shown below. "Here I am going, 'Let's be authentic, let's be a community that loves one another,' and I'm not being authentic. I'm not telling people what's going on in my life."

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Post by: Mark on July 05, 2017, 07:03:11 pm
New Survey Finds That Evangelical Christian Support For Gay Marriage Has More Than Doubled – The American Dream

A new survey just released by the Pew Research Center has found that support for gay marriage in the United States is at an all-time record high. According to the survey, 62 percent of all Americans are now in favor of allowing gays and lesbians to get married, and only 32 percent are opposed. These numbers have almost flipped completely upside down from where they were a decade ago. In 2007, 54 percent of all Americans were against gay marriage and only 37 percent were in favor of it. To say that our culture has been transformed over the past ten years would be a major understatement.

One of the biggest shifts that we have seen has been among evangelicals. This brand new survey discovered that support for gay marriage among white evangelicals has more than doubled since 2007…

    Support for same-sex marriage has risen across all religious groups in recent years, including among white evangelicals and black Protestants. Support for same sex-marriage among white Evangelicals has more than doubled compared with a decade ago (14% then, 35% now), while the share of black Protestants who favor same-sex marriage has increased from 24% in 2007 to 44% today.

In particular, the shift in favor of gay marriage among evangelicals has been most noticeable among young people. Today, a staggering 47 percent of all white evangelicals born after 1964 favor gay marriage…

    Overall, white evangelical Protestants continue to stand out for their opposition to same-sex-marriage: 35% of white evangelical Protestants favor same-sex marriage, compared with a 59% majority who are opposed. But younger white evangelicals have grown more supportive: 47% of white evangelical Millennials and Gen Xers – age cohorts born after 1964 – favor same-sex marriage, up from 29% in March 2016. Views among older white evangelicals (Boomers and Silents) have shown virtually no change over the past year (26% now, 25% then).

I honestly don’t know how this is possible.

How in the world did we get to the point where nearly half of all evangelicals born since 1964 have abandoned what the Word of God says about marriage?

As this massive cultural shift continues, it is going to become increasingly difficult for those that still want to try to stand up for traditional values.

Already, we have gotten to the point where no Bible-believing Christians will be able to participate in the wedding industry because the risk of getting slapped with a very costly lawsuit is just too great. One of these cases is headed to the Supreme Court, and so let us be praying for a positive outcome…

    Jack Phillips and his Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado had never had problems before with homosexual customers. That changed when the Christian owner refused to create a cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, the business landed in deep legal trouble with the state.

    Now the U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to take up Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

    It pits Phillips’ religious rights against the rights of a gay couple to receive the same and equal treatment under the law as heterosexual couples.

Today, the average American watches approximately five hours of television a day, and more than 90 percent of the news and entertainment that we watch is controlled by just six gigantic media conglomerates. All of those media giants are relentlessly advancing a pro-gay agenda, and we need to realize what is being done to us.

If you allow anyone to feed “programming” into your mind for five house a day, it is going to have a major impact on how you view the world.

This is particularly true of the next generation. Our children are being raised to fully embrace the social agenda of the radical left, and eventually they are going to become the leaders of tomorrow.

Our hearts should break when we read about young kids such as 9-year-old Audrey Cisneros…

    But Audrey is realizing it’s not an easy thing for people to understand — especially her fellow fifth-graders. Here’s how she puts it:

    “A drag show is a very, very fun and special event where people can express themselves for who they really are, and show it to everyone that is in the room. You don’t judge people just because they dress up as the opposite gender or because they love someone of the same gender. Just be proud of them, don’t fight it.”

    On Saturday, Audrey and other children attend a drag queen story hour hosted by My LGBT Plus. Similar events have been held across the country, aiming to familiarize kids with the gay community and give them “glamorous, positive and unabashedly queer role models.”

On the other hand, children all over the country are being banned from bringing Bibles to school or gathering for group prayer.

Eventually it will get to the point where our children can’t even say grace before a meal. If you doubt this, just check out what is happening in Sweden…

    Children at a Christian preschool in Sweden are no longer allowed to say grace at mealtimes, “Amen”, or talk about the Bible, after a ruling by the Umeå municipality.

    Visiting the preschool for an inspection, supervisors from the district said the activities run contrary to the Education Act, which forbids educational content during school time from containing confessional elements, and states that children at must always have the choice of whether or not to participate.

    The municipality said it felt that children at the Salvation Army-run kindergarten were not given enough of an opportunity to opt out of saying grace at mealtimes.

When I say that the radical left wants to eradicate our way of life, I am not exaggerating one bit.

The left does not believe in free speech and the marketplace of ideas. Instead, they believe in hate speech laws and using the legal system as a tool to punish those that do not see things the same way that they do.

Slowly but surely, they are going to criminalize the belief systems of those that disagree with them.

Meanwhile, much of the evangelical church is silent on these issues. Many leaders are concerned that if they do speak out that attendance will go down and offerings will not be as large as they were previously.

If evangelical churches had been boldly proclaiming the truth all this time, support for gay marriage among evangelicals would not have doubled over the past decade.

If we want America to repent and turn in a positive direction, it begins with us, and it is about time that we got started.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/days-of-lot-new-survey-finds-that-evangelical-christian-support-for-gay-marriage-has-more-than-doubled


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Post by: Mark on July 10, 2017, 04:30:04 pm
Church of England Votes to Affirm Transgender People: It’s ‘Not a Sin,’ Says Bishop

 In a motion that passed with overwhelming support, the Church of England has voted to welcome and affirm transgender individuals.

The Christian Post reports that the Church’s General Synod passed the motion by a significant majority in all three Houses.

"That this Synod, recognizing the need for transgender people to be welcomed and affirmed in their parish church, call on the House of Bishops to consider whether some nationally commended liturgical materials might be prepared to mark a person's gender transition," read the motion, which passed 127-28 in the House of Clergy, 127-48 in the House of Laity, and 30-2 in the House of Bishops.

“I hope that we can make a powerful statement to say that we believe that trans people are cherished and loved by God, who created them, and is present through all the twists and turns of their lives,” said the Rev. Christopher Newlands at the Synod meeting.

The Rev. John Sentamu also spoke favorably of welcoming transgender individuals into the Church.  "As the world listens to us, the world needs to hear us say that LGBT orientation and identity is not a crime. LGBT orientation and identity is not a sickness. And LGBT orientation and identity is not a sin," said Sentamu, according to the BBC.

However, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Justin Welby, continues to stand by the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman.

http://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/church-of-england-votes-to-affirm-transgender-people-it-s-not-a-sin-says-bishop.html


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Post by: Mark on July 10, 2017, 04:31:37 pm
Church of England Votes in Favour of 'Marking' Gender Transitions with Religious Ceremony

The General Synod of the Church of England has voted to ‘welcome transgender people’ by considering preparing a church service as a way to “mark a person’s gender transition”.

The official church of the United Kingdom voted four to one in favour amongst the Clergy and more than two to one amongst the Laity (members who are not Clergy) at the four-day Synod, the motion reading:

“That this Synod, recognising the need for transgender people to be welcomed and affirmed in their parish church, call on the House of Bishops to consider whether some nationally commended liturgical materials might be prepared to mark a person’s gender transition.”

Vicar of Lancaster Priory Church, Chris Newlands, posed the motion to the Synod, saying he would speak on behalf of transgender people as the church’s Synod has none.

He said: “We need to be aware of the impact that our actions – be them welcome or rejection – have on the members of the trans community.

“I hope that we can make a powerful statement that we believe trans people are cherished and loved by God, who created them.”

The BBC reports that, “Such a service would not be a second baptism, however, as the Church’s teaching is that humans are made in the image of God – transcending gender – and baptism takes place only once.”

Archbishop of York Dr. John Sentamu said there was a need for vicars “to welcome and affirm, in their parish, transgender people”, adding that the “theology has to be done” by the House of Bishops and “can be done very quickly”.

On Saturday, the General Synod backed the ban on conversion therapy for Christians struggling with their sexuality.

Bishop of Liverpool Paul Bayes said: “LGBTI+ orientation and identity is not a sickness. And LGBTI+ orientation and identity is not a sin.”

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby also said the Anglican church would spend three years outlining a new stance on sexuality, with current rules banning same-sex weddings and civil partnership blessings.

In May, Breitbart London reported that a leading figure in the Church of Scotland (the Kirk) told its General Assembly there is “no theological reason” to oppose same-sex marriage, which could pave the way for same-sex weddings in Scottish churches.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/09/church-england-votes-welcome-transgender-ceremony/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 12, 2017, 02:28:22 pm
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/creator-message-corrupt-bible-eugene-peterson-now-says-supports-sex-marriage/
Creator Of ‘The Message’ Corrupt Bible Translation Eugene Peterson Now Says He Supports Same-Sex Marriage
"I haven't had a lot of experience with it," Eugene Peterson says of LGBT members in his church. "But I have been in churches when I was an associate pastor where there were several women who were lesbians. They didn't make a big deal about it. I'd go and visit them, and it never came up for them. They just assumed that they were as Christian as everybody else in the church.

7/12/17

Eugene Peterson, the man behind The Message translation of the Bible, says he would perform a same-sex marriage ceremony if asked. In an interview with Jonathan Merritt on Religion News, Peterson describes how his views on homosexuality have changed over his career.

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3,4 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: In 1993, Eugene Peterson wrote his Laodicean epic ‘The Message’ bible translation which immediately became a best-seller. Among the notable “updates” in his phony bible was the deletion of the phrase “Lord Jesus” which occurs in the King James 115 times. Now Peterson has made the not-so-stunning declaration that he now approves of same-sex marriage and that God blesses the LGBT just the way they are because they are “good people”. They are dropping like flies, people, as they fulfill the end time prophecies about the collapse of the Church spoken of by Paul, John and Jesus.

“I wouldn’t have said this 20 years ago, but now I know a lot of people who are gay and lesbian, and they seem to have as good a spiritual life as I do. I think that kind of debate about lesbians and gays might be over. People who disapprove of it, they’ll probably just go to another church. So we’re in a transition, and I think it’s a transition for the best, for the good. I don’t think it’s something that you can parade, but it’s not a right or wrong thing as far as I’m concerned,” Peterson says.

Merritt specifically asked Peterson about the LGBT issues plaguing Peterson’s denomination, Presbyterians.

Charisma News previously reported the denomination, which capitulated to the gay agenda, has less than 10,000 churches after an exodus of Bible-believing pastors. In 2015, 34,000 black churches broke ties with the PCUSA, among others.

“I haven’t had a lot of experience with it,” Eugene Peterson says of LGBT members in his church. “But I have been in churches when I was an associate pastor where there were several women who were lesbians. They didn’t make a big deal about it. I’d go and visit them, and it never came up for them. They just assumed that they were as Christian as everybody else in the church.

“In my own congregation—when I left, we had about 500 people—I don’t think we ever really made a big deal out of it. When I left, the minister of music left. She’d been there ever since I had been there. There we were, looking for a new minister of music. One of the young people that had grown up under my pastorship, he was a high school teacher and a musician. When he found out about the opening, he showed up in church one day and stood up and said, “I’d like to apply for the job of music director here, and I’m gay.” We didn’t have any gay people in the whole congregation. Well, some of them weren’t openly gay. But I was so pleased with the congregation. Nobody made any questions about it. And he was a really good musician.”

Merritt also interviewed famed evangelical Jen Hatmaker about her stance on the LGBT community.
Hatmaker told Merritt:

    From a civil rights and civil liberties side and from just a human being side, any two adults have the right to choose who they want to love. And they should be afforded the same legal protections as any of us. I would never wish anything less for my gay friends.

    From a spiritual perspective, since gay marriage is legal in all 50 states, our communities have plenty of gay couples who, just like the rest of us, need marriage support and parenting help and Christian community. They are either going to find those resources in the church or they are not.

    Not only are these our neighbors and friends, but they are brothers and sisters in Christ. They are adopted into the same family as the rest of us, and the church hasn’t treated the LGBT community like family. We have to do better.

The 84-year-old Peterson says he’s done traveling, preaching and writing. He says As Kingfishers Catch Fire: A Conversation on the Ways of God Formed by the Words of God will be his last.

“I just feel like there’s a sense of completion, or maybe satisfaction. I think I’ve done a better job of everything I’d done before in this book. I might do something else, but I don’t think so. These days, I write a lot of letters. I’m still keeping up with people and answering their questions or responding to what they are doing. I think it’s more just a sense of completion,” Peterson says. source


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on July 31, 2017, 05:08:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVz38UmUfok


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Post by: Mark on August 07, 2017, 06:02:25 pm
Lutheran ‘Pastor’ Allows Son Who Likes Pink, Female Fashion to ‘Transition’ to Girl

A pastor of a Lutheran church in New Jersey was recently featured in an online video in which he and his wife told the story of their 10-year-old son, who they have allowed to present as female for the past two years.

Christopher Bruesehoff of Holy Counselor Lutheran Church in Vernon and his wife Jamie state that their son Benjamin, who now goes by the name Rebekah, began showing an interest in pink and sparkles at a young age, and became more discontent with being grouped with the boys.

“Rebekah has always been gender non-conforming,” Jamie states in the video released by Barcroft TV. “As young as two or three she gravitated to typically feminine things. She loved pink and sparkles and all things girly. And that was fine with us.”

By age seven, Benjamin was showing signs of depression and attempted to commit suicide.

“We were faced with a seven-year old kid who wanted to die,” she recalled. “One time she punched out the screen of her second story window and tried to jump out.”

Benjamin went for counseling, and one day, while looking for a gender-neutral swimsuit online, the word “transgender” came up. Jamie explained to Benjamin what it meant, and he replied that maybe that’s what he is.

“I felt like I was a girl because I liked the color pink and I liked girls’ clothes and how they wore their hair and stuff,” Benjamin explained in the video.

The Bruesehoffs then began allowing Benjamin, who now sports long pink hair and wears skirts and jewelry, to present himself as a girl. They put some of his memories away in a container called the “Benjamin box” as his boyhood was made a thing of the past.

The couple states that the next steps will be to prevent their son from going through puberty since he does not want to be a boy.

“Medically transitioning involves a lot of different stuff and every transgender person chooses their own adventure. For Rebekah, the first steps will be puberty blockers, which will prevent her from going through male puberty and stop her from developing male characteristics—like facial hair, a deeper voice and an Adam’s apple—that are irreversible,” Jamie outlined.

Christopher Bruesehoff, pictured with his son holding a sign reading “I am transgender and God loves me,” says that he worries how the Church will react to his son identifying as a girl.

“Our hopes for Rebekah’s future are that she gets to be who she is as boldly as she wants to be, and that folks are going to accept her for who she is,” he stated. “I’m always worried about reactions with Rebekah, both in the community, the church and the world. I’m very worried about how the world is going to treat her because I see a lot of ugliness in the world.”

While the couple has received messages from Christians who have expressed concern, Jamie Bruesehoff contends that there is nothing wrong with transgenderism and that God created their son to be transgender.

“Yes, my husband is a pastor. In fact, we both have masters degrees from theological institutions. Yes, we both wholeheartedly support our daughter,” she wrote on social media. “No, don’t worry, we’re not concerned we’re going to Hell for doing so, but thank you for your concern.”

“She was created by God. She was fearfully and wonderfully made to be exactly who she is, a transgender child of God,” she asserted.
Heyer

However, not everyone believes that the answer to gender dysphoria is allowing the person to change their physical appearance. Walt Heyer lived as Laura Jensen for eight years and even had a job with the U.S. government while living as a transgender, but says that having a physical operation did nothing to resolve the mental and emotional struggles that he faced.

One day while studying psychology at the University of California, Heyer had an epiphany: He wasn’t a transgender. He was a man with a psychological problem that trying to live as a woman wasn’t going to fix. Heyer also learned that his answer wasn’t within himself; it was in Christ.

So, eight years after obtaining the operation, Heyer reverted back to living as a man, and now says he doesn’t believe that people are born transgender.

“Gender dysphoria is a psychological condition where you are dissatisfied with your gender,” he told the Daily Mail in 2015. “Nobody’s ever born a transgender. They’re manufactured as a result of something, a developmental childhood issue that has yet to be determined for many people. In retrospect, I can see that changing genders, quite frankly is just pure foolishness.”

Heyer says that those who struggle with the condition are not receiving proper care, and many medical professionals are too quick to agree to surgery.

“All of them have some level of depression, and we’re not treating them,” he lamented. “We’re just cutting off body parts and giving them a new name and a new gender. … [But] biologically, no one can transport to the other gender. It’s not even possible.”

The now 76-year-old man runs a website to compassionately help others who struggle with gender identity or are expressing regret over having a sex change operation.

“God designed man; He designed women,” he said in a video recorded in 2014. “God will redeem the lives of people who struggle with gender identity issues just like I did. He redeemed my life, and I’ve been free from it as a result of that.”

http://christiannews.net/2017/08/07/lutheran-pastor-allows-son-who-likes-pink-female-fashion-to-transition-to-girl/


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 15, 2017, 02:44:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLlgfcbVY8c


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on August 22, 2017, 10:00:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AeGWtLFK8


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Post by: Psalm 51:17 on October 05, 2017, 10:42:23 pm
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=98092

Texas church calls off weddings! Won't allow it until this happens!!
10/5/17

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A Texas church has called off wedding ceremonies until same sex marriages are allowed.

nbcnews.com reports: The leadership of the First United Methodist Church of Austin (FUMC Austin) recently announced they will not perform any wedding ceremonies until the church's national leadership permits clergy to officiate same-sex marriages.

The Book of Discipline, which governs the United Methodist Church, supports "laws in civil society that define marriage as a union of one man and one woman."

“Rather than practicing discrimination in our wedding policy, we are going to give up some of the privileges that our opposite-sex couples enjoy and say, ‘We will all receive the same ministry in terms of weddings,'” Taylor Fuerst, senior pastor at FUMC Austin, told local NBC affiliate KXAN.


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Post by: Mark on November 13, 2017, 11:11:15 pm
.Church of England Says 'Let Students Choose Their Genders   -UK Daily Mail

....Schools are also told they cannot use the Christian faith or Bible teachings to justify behaviour that is considered to amount to bullying – for example, identifying a transgender pupil by a sex other than the one they have chosen. The advice contains instructions on how to report bullying, including sample forms on which teachers are encouraged to name the alleged bully and their target, and use tick boxes to describe what happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5075641/Let-little-boys-wear-tiaras-says-Church-England.html


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Post by: Mark on December 20, 2017, 09:51:56 pm
Catholic Priest Comes Out Of Closet, Tells Parishioners Being Gay Is In The 'Likeness Of God' Gets Standing Ovation

A Roman Catholic priest in Milwaukee has come out as gay, writing that he will no longer live in the shadows of secrecy and plans to be authentic to his gay self.

“…But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.” Romans 7:13 (KJV)

EDITOR’S NOTE: Soooo, still not convinced we are living in the end times? How about this? A Roman Catholic priest stands up in front of his followers and declares not only that he is gay, but that being queer is in the ‘likeness of God’. Their reaction? They give him a standing ovation and applaud his courage. Kinda like cheering your damnation at the White Throne Judgment. So not only has “father” Greiten decided to embrace his sin, he also decided to drag God into the mess and say that God approves of it. I was a Catholic for 30 years before I got saved and became a Christian. Like the Bible commands, I battle the sins in my own life on a daily basis. Sometimes I get the victory and sometimes I don’t. But when you reach the point when you stop fighting and embrace what God hates, and then lie and say God approves of it, that’s a very scary place to be. The Roman Catholic church is not Christian, was never Christian, and will never be a Christian organization. Is it any wonder that God takes pleasure in destroying this evil institution in Revelation 18?

The Rev. Gregory Greiten disclosed his sexual orientation on Sunday to the catholic St. Bernadette Parish and was greeted with a standing ovation from his parishioners, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported . He also wrote a column that was published Monday in the National Catholic Reporter.

https://youtu.be/Se1LzyD_aYY

It’s rare for a priest to come out. Greiten said he revealed his sexual orientation because he wants to be a role model for others. He said he’s helping to break the silence of gay men in the clergy so he could reclaim his own voice.

    “I will embrace the person that God created me to be,” Greiten wrote. “In my priestly life and ministry, I, too, will help you, whether you are gay or straight, bisexual or transgendered, to be your authentic self — to be fully alive living in your image and likeness of God.”

Greiten wrote that has decided to stand with the “few courageous priests who have taken the risk to come out of the shadows and have chosen to live in truth and authenticity.”

The Catholic church’s silent stance on gay priests perpetuates toxic shaming and systematic secrecy, Greiten wrote. The church needs healthy role models for priests who are struggling to come to terms with their sexual orientation, he said.

Greiten met with Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listecki before coming out, according to an archdiocese spokeswoman.

“We support Father Greiten in his own personal journey and telling his story of coming to understand and live with his sexual orientation,” Listecki said in a statement Monday. “As the Church teaches, those with same-sex attraction must be treated with understanding and compassion.” source

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/catholic-priest-comes-closet-tells-parishioners-gay-likeness-god-gets-standing-ovation/


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Post by: Mark on February 04, 2018, 06:20:02 pm
Episcopal Diocese Votes to Avoid Using 'Gendered Pronouns' for God in Book of Common Prayer

The Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C. voted on Saturday to stop using “gendered pronouns” for God in future revisions of its Book of Common Prayer and to “remove all obstacles” for “transgender” participation in church life by making all gender-specific facilities and activities accessible to those who identify as the opposite sex.

“Resolved … that the 79th General Convention direct the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music, if revision of the Book of Common Prayer is authorized, to utilize expansive language for God from the rich sources of feminine, masculine, and non-binary imagery for God found in Scripture and tradition and, when possible, to avoid the use of gendered pronouns for God,” the resolution read.

It was passed by a show of hands during the 123rd Convention of the Washington Diocese with only a few opposed, according to Strategic Communications Director Richard Wosson Weinberg.

“While other Christian denominations have embraced more comprehensive language for God, The Episcopal Church has chosen to use masculine pronouns when referring to the first and third person of the Trinity. This choice has had a profound impact on our understanding of God. Our current gender roles shape and limit our understanding of God,” the diocese said in an explanation of the resolution.

“By expanding our language for God, we will expand our image of God and the nature of God,” it continued. “Our new Book of Common Prayer needs to reflect the language of the people and our society. This resolution assumes that the authors of our new Book of Common Prayer will continue in the long tradition of beautiful poetic language. However, this beautiful language should not be limited by gendered pronouns when avoidable.”

According to reports, delegate Linda Calkins of St. Bartholomew’s Episcopal Church in Laytonsville, Maryland wanted the diocese to go a step further as she held a copy of “The Inclusive Bible: The First Egalitarian Translation” and asked when the version would be utilized.

She read from Genesis 17, in which the “Inclusive Bible” referred to God as “El Shaddai.”

f we are going to be true to what El Shaddai means, it means God with breasts,” Calkins claimed.

The diocese also stated that its resolution surrounding those with gender dysphoria was to ensure that those who live as the opposite sex feel welcomed as fellow Christians.

“Transgender Christians are searching for a connection with God within a loving community where they can worship and work for equality and justice. Unfortunately, many transgender people are too often left without a place to worship because congregations are not ready to welcome them as their Christian companions,” it asserted. “Fixed boundaries of gender identity are being challenged and churches need to respond.”

The resolution, in addition to decrying violence against “transgender” persons, also urged “all parishes to remove all obstacles to full participation in congregational life by making all gender-specific facilities and activities fully accessible, regardless of gender identity and expression.”

The measure was stated to have passed without dissent.

As previously reported, in 2015, when a group of women known as WATCH moved for the Church of England to start referring to God as a “she” during the weekly liturgy, stating that to make mention of God solely in the male pronoun is sexist, some expressed strong opposition.

“Referring to God as ‘mother’ drives a horse and cart through Scripture. Such an innovation is guaranteed to split the C of E as never before,” wrote Damian Thompson in the Daily Mail.

“Lord Carey, former Archbishop of Canterbury, has warned us that the church could be extinct in 25 years’ time unless services become more spiritually fulfilling. Calling God ‘she’ will not achieve that fulfillment,” he stated. “The proposed twist of language will do nothing to stop the decline of Christian faith in this country. On the contrary, it will make worshippers squirm. And nothing empties pews faster than that.”

1 John 4:14 reads, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.”

Jesus also said in John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me.”

http://christiannews.net/2018/02/02/episcopal-diocese-votes-to-avoid-using-gendered-pronouns-for-god-in-book-of-common-prayer/


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Post by: Mark on May 29, 2018, 07:10:57 pm
The Church Of England Is Encouraging Gay, Lesbian And Transgender People To Become Priests

The Church of England has launched a diversity drive that is specifically encouraging gay, lesbian and transgender people to take “roles of leadership and service in the local church”.  This move is being greatly applauded by the LGBT community and is being very strongly criticized by conservatives.  At one time such action by the Church of England would have been unthinkable, but today this news is hardly being noticed.  The Church of England has worked very hard to be welcoming to the LGBT community in recent years, and this has created some very significant rifts within the denomination.  Other major Christian denominations are going through similar struggles, and ultimately we may be seeing the largest shift in Protestant thinking since the days of the Reformation. (Read More...)

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-church-of-england-is-encouraging-gay-lesbian-and-transgender-people-to-become-priests


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Post by: Mark on August 07, 2018, 08:24:24 am
Pro-'Gay' 'Church' Sells Building, Plans to Open Brewery in New Facility, Donate Profits to Planned Parenthood

The pro-homosexual Greater Purpose Community Church in California says that it has sold its former building and plans to open a public brewery in the now-closed Logos Bookstore in Santa Cruz. The brewery, which will also be used as meeting space for Sunday services, will donate part of the proceeds to Planned Parenthood, among other organizations.

“We decided to sell the building, because for us a church is a community and a movement,” leader Chris VanHall told NBC Bay Area. “It’s not brick and mortar.”

The former building had a large homosexual rainbow flag unfurled outside, and members marched in the recent Pride Parade, according to the publication Good Times. VanHall also had a “Happy Pride Month” rainbow frame on his Facebook profile photo for the month of June.

While looking for a new place to gather, VanHall’s rental agent mentioned the former Logos Bookstore and signed a lease agreement with former Logos Owner John Livingston to use the space as both a meeting place for Greater Purpose and a brewery and eatery.

“It’s more about community than anything,” Livingston told reporters. “I really like their approach.”

In the meantime, Greater Purpose is meeting in The Food Lounge, a restaurant and bar in the city. VanHall asked the owner of the lounge to keep the bar open, so members could have a beer while listening to his sermons.

“We have a glass of beer, glass of wine, and it’s a comfortable atmosphere where people can not only listen to a progressive take on theology, but they can also engage in conversation,” he said.

“They can have one or two. As a matter of fact, if they have two, my sermon’s always better,” VanHall jested.

He said that the former Logos Bookstore will be named the Greater Purpose Brewing Company. VanHall plans to revamp the location into space for manufacturing beer, mead and hard cider. The brewery will be open to the public, but on Sunday mornings, VanHall will use the facility for Sunday services before the brewery opens.

“We don’t want to dupe anyone. We don’t want to have this bar and, ‘Come on in and have a beer,’ and boom, you get a church service,” he explained.

VanHall said that he also plans to split profits from the brewery and donate part of the proceeds to local non-profit organizations, such as Planned Parenthood, which has an office upstairs.

“I thought to myself, ‘Wouldn’t it be great if a church could figure out a way to make a product where they split profits with local community service organizations?’ And we were like, ‘Hey, we love beer. We love making beer. Why not do a brewery?'” he outlined.

“A woman’s right to choose is something most churches are silent on or opposed to, but that’s not where we stand in the faith community,” Van Hall told Good Times. “We hope to be an absolute conundrum for people walking by. A church that serves beer and gives the profits away to places like Planned Parenthood is really exciting to me.”

World Religion News notes that Greater Purpose already hosts meetings open to all religions called “Faith on Tap,” during which participants have a drink while discussing how to raise money or volunteer to support local causes.

The late Anglican preacher J.C. Ryle once exhorted, “Controversy is an odious thing, but there are days when it is a positive duty. Peace is an excellent thing, but, like gold, it may be bought too dear. Unity is a mighty blessing, but it is worthless if it is purchased at the cost of truth. Once more I say, Open your eyes and be on your guard.”


https://christiannews.net/2018/08/06/pro-gay-church-sells-building-plans-to-open-brewery-in-new-facility-donate-profits-to-planned-parenthood/


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Post by: Mark on June 06, 2019, 04:31:22 am
Laodicean Christians In The Philippines Start The ‘I’m Sorry’ Movement To Apologize To The LGBTQ+ Community For Believing And Preaching The Bible


From time to time, people will write to me to let me know about a ‘great movement of the spirit’ happening in some foreign country like Africa, China, or in this case, the Philippines. But when I go to check it out, instead of seeing glorious end times revival I see nothing but Laodicean slop produced by bible rejecters who call themselves Christians.

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/laodicean-christians-philippines-start-im-sorry-campaign-apologizing-lgbtq-for-bible-bashing/


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Post by: Mark on July 03, 2019, 07:50:58 pm
Presbyterians Descend Into Depravity With Drag Service, First Non-Binary Pastor

Just when you think it can’t get any worse in the church, it does. With Gay pride flags covering the hall and rainbow candles on the church stage, Cincinnati’s Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church greeted its visitors this past Sunday with Drag Queen “Sparke Leigh”, complete in purple dress, makeup, high heels and a glitter beard. Following the song “God Welcomes All” by the church choir, Sparke Leigh walked up on stage and, rather than reading from the Bible, read the book Pride: The Story of Harvey Milk and the Rainbow Flag to the audience.

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=3315


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Post by: Mark on July 03, 2019, 07:58:42 pm
Days of Lot: New Survey Finds That Evangelical Christian Support for Gay Marriage Has More Than Doubled

A new survey just released by the Pew Research Center has found that support for gay marriage in the United States is at an all-time record high. According to the survey, 62 percent of all Americans are now in favor of allowing gays and lesbians to get married, and only 32 percent are opposed.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/65874-days-of-lot-new-survey-finds-that-evangelical-christian-support-for-gay-marriage-has-more-than-doubled?fbclid=IwAR3UrZlXO-MA9rb3RFxhWkUqav8NHE7F2TJnzbVAv8WpxkBVL_BdeKwElyY




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Post by: Mark on August 06, 2019, 06:20:52 am
Ohio church holds drag queen storytime during service

Dan Davidson can usually be seen around Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church sweeping the floors and getting the building ready for worship services. On Sunday, June 16, though, church caretaker Davidson woke up before the sun to get ready for a new role at the church that morning. He spent hours applying layers and layers of makeup and glitter to transform himself into Sparkle Leigh.

(http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_156509037347712&key=c7a018f99a67aaac33a35421e795cdf3&libId=jyzqf13v010008oe000DA73rtinrw&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fendtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com%2Findex.php%3Faction-gallery%3Bsa%3Dview%3Bid%3D36&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmfhosting.com%2Fgallery%2Fendtimesandcurrentevents%2F0%2F1_26_06_15_9_31_46.jpeg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fendtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com%2Findex.php%3Faction-gallery%3Bsu%3Duser%3Bcat%3D1%3Bu%3D1&title=End%20Times%20and%20Current%20Events%20-%20sodom&txt=%0A%09)

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/06/18/ohio-church-holds-drag-queen-storytime-during-service/1487171001/?fbclid=IwAR2pKLo_teg9kVTAnobi6emHKwfiSDJ9AshLr4I9T98kmmGuNEQ0m5il2qY


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Post by: Mark on November 05, 2019, 10:38:01 am
Christian Hymn Society Releases Collection of ‘Queer Hymns’

A group known as the Hymn Society has released a collection titled Songs for the Holy Other: Hymns Affirming the LGBTQIA2S+ Community for liturgical use in the United States and Canada.

Among the nearly 50 “queer hymns” featured in the collection are: “God of Queer Transgressive Spaces,” “Lovely, Needy People,” “Quirky Queer and Wonderful” and “The Kingdom of God is the Queerest of Nations.”

The ecumenical, non-profit Hymn Society released the hymnal in July but it was publicized just last week by Anglican Journal, the publication of the Anglican Church of Canada, which praised the work for offering “further potential for music as a source of affirmation and inclusion.”

Sydney Brouillard-Coyle, the “gender-non-conforming” music director at St. Paul’s Anglican Church in Essex, Ontario, called the collection “an amazing resource for music directors and for priests who are looking for hymns that are affirming for the LGBT community.”

The preface for Songs for the Holy Other laments the building of walls and calls for dismantling these walls through music.

“In our society and in our churches, we continue to build walls marking ‘out’ and ‘in,’” the text reads. “We continue to mark boundaries of ‘us’ and ‘them,’ of ‘normal’ and ‘other.’”

“Songs for the Holy Other aims to provide congregations working to dismantle these walls with a toolbox of hymns by and for those who identify as members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, pansexual, transgender, nonbinary, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, aromantic, two-spirit, and other sexual/gender minority (LGBTQIA2S+) community and their allies,” it proclaims.

The preface also explains that the title of the collection, Songs for the Holy Other, “is a self-conscious claiming of otherness as holy and beloved of God.”

“We who have been labeled as ‘wholly other’ are claiming our holiness, and reclaiming our otherness as a prophetic witness to the church,” it states.

One of the hymns, “God of Many Faces,” by Amy Cerniglia, calls for the worship of the “God of many genders,” whose multiplicity is reflected in all of creation.

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/11/05/christian-hymn-society-releases-queer-hymns-for-lgbtqia2s/


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Post by: Mark on November 08, 2019, 08:35:24 am
Swiss Protestant church network votes in favor of same-sex marriage

The Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches, a Reformed association uniting 26 member churches and nearly 1,000 congregations, voted during a nationwide assembly this week to allow same-sex marriages.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/swiss-protestant-church-network-votes-in-favor-of-same-sex-marriage.html


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Post by: Mark on November 12, 2019, 06:20:09 am
Lesbian Episcopal Priest Named President of National Abortion Federation: ‘Abortion Providers Are Modern-Day Saints’

The National Abortion Federation (NAF) has announced that its board has appointed Katherine Hancock Ragsdale, a lesbian Episcopal priest, to serve as its president and CEO.

“Abortion providers are some of my personal heroes and modern-day saints,” she said in a statement. “It is an honor to be able to serve and support NAF members as they provide compassionate health care amid increasing attacks and challenges.”

Ragsdale had served as the dean of the Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Massachusetts from 2009 to 2015, and was a priest at St. David’s Episcopal Church in Pepperell until taking the position at the seminary. She was a member of the board of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice for 17 years, and currently sits on the board of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

Ragsdale had served as interim president of NAF since September 2018 and has long been an outspoken supporter of abortion “rights.” NAF noted in its press release, “Ragsdale has preached about how abortion is a blessing and has been active in clinic defense work and other activities to support abortion providers for more than 35 years.”

“Thirty years ago, abortion was seen as a positive advancement — medically, socially, and religiously. … From a religious perspective, abortion enabled women to be responsible stewards of their God-given gifts and talents — to make decisions about how to order their lives so that they could best use those gifts to serve God and the common good,” she co-wrote in an article published by Rewire in 2008.

“But now, after decades of badgering and finger wagging from the purportedly morally superior Right, not only are individual women succumbing to obligatory guilt where once there was relief and gratitude, but even the pro-choice movement has jumped on the bandwagon,” Ragsdale said, opining that certain terminology is harmful to the cause as it “dispar[ages], rather than “rejoic[es] in, abortion.”

Ragsdale asserted during a speech before the Kentucky Reproductive Freedom Fund earlier this year that the Bible says nothing about abortion and that those who point to Psalm 139 — which she twice incorrectly referenced as Psalm 119 — misinterpret the text to be about personhood in the womb.

“The people in the pews, people standing in front of the clinic, some of them may not actually know that the Bible doesn’t say those are people. They may not know that the Bible actually doesn’t say anything about abortion because they’ve been lied to by their leaders, who do know,” she claimed. “They’re lying to manipulate the argument.”

In addition to her abortion advocacy, Ragsdale is openly lesbian, “marrying” another female Episcopal priest, Mally Lloyd, in 2011 at Cathedral Church of St. Paul in Boston. The service was officiated by M. Thomas Shaw, the highest-ranking Episcopal leader in Massachusetts.

“God always rejoices when two people who love each other make a lifelong commitment in marriage to go deeper into the heart of God through each other,” he claimed, according to a report at the time from LGBTQ Nation. “It’s a profound pleasure for me to celebrate with God and my friends Katherine and Mally their marriage today.”

The NAF says that under Ragsdale’s direction, the organization is re-focusing its aim to support of abortion providers, updating its “mission statement” to include the declaration, “NAF unites, represents, serves, and supports abortion providers in delivering patient-centered, evidence-based care.”

Psalm 127:3 says, “Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord, and the fruit of the womb is His reward.” Proverbs 6 similarly teaches that God hates “hands that shed innocent blood.”

https://christiannews.net/2019/11/10/lesbian-episcopal-priest-named-president-of-national-abortion-federation-abortion-providers-are-modern-day-saints/