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August 08, 2018, 02:38:10 am suzytr says: Hello, any good churches in the Sacto, CA area, also looking in Reno NV, thanks in advance and God Bless you Smiley
January 29, 2018, 01:21:57 am Christian40 says: It will be interesting to see what happens this year Israel being 70 years as a modern nation may 14 2018
October 17, 2017, 01:25:20 am Christian40 says: It is good to type Mark is here again!  Smiley
October 16, 2017, 03:28:18 am Christian40 says: anyone else thinking that time is accelerating now? it seems im doing days in shorter time now is time being affected in some way?
September 24, 2017, 10:45:16 pm Psalm 51:17 says: The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
September 20, 2017, 04:32:32 am Christian40 says: "The most popular Hepatitis B vaccine is nothing short of a witch’s brew including aluminum, formaldehyde, yeast, amino acids, and soy. Aluminum is a known neurotoxin that destroys cellular metabolism and function. Hundreds of studies link to the ravaging effects of aluminum. The other proteins and formaldehyde serve to activate the immune system and open up the blood-brain barrier. This is NOT a good thing."
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-11-new-fda-approved-hepatitis-b-vaccine-found-to-increase-heart-attack-risk-by-700.html
September 19, 2017, 03:59:21 am Christian40 says: bbc international did a video about there street preaching they are good witnesses
September 14, 2017, 08:06:04 am Psalm 51:17 says: bro Mark Hunter on YT has some good, edifying stuff too.
September 14, 2017, 04:31:26 am Christian40 says: i have thought that i'm reaping from past sins then my life has been impacted in ways from having non believers in my ancestry.
September 11, 2017, 06:59:33 am Psalm 51:17 says: The law of reaping and sowing. It's amazing how God's mercy and longsuffering has hovered over America so long. (ie, the infrastructure is very bad here b/c for many years, they were grossly underspent on. 1st Tim 6:10, the god of materialism has its roots firmly in the West) And remember once upon a time ago when shacking up b/w straight couples drew shock awe?

Exodus 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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1  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: I need someone to take my place posting prayer requests for Dr. Johnson's on: October 17, 2011, 11:38:10 am
I can do it. What do you want me to do?

Yes!  Cheesy

Thank you. Will you pm me your email address, so I can let Dr. Johnson know?

Thank you, ak.  Smiley
2  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: I need someone to take my place posting prayer requests for Dr. Johnson's on: October 16, 2011, 10:41:48 am
please?
3  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: I need someone to take my place posting prayer requests for Dr. Johnson's on: October 16, 2011, 12:18:58 am
Hi. How have you been?  Cheesy
4  General Category / Prayer Requests / I need someone to take my place posting prayer requests for Dr. Johnson's on: October 15, 2011, 09:23:10 pm
listeners.

Usually, I post the prayer requests and then link it back to Doctor Johnson to show to the persons that sent the prayer requests.

I'm not here enough. If you want to do it, please let me know.
5  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: Pray that gang stalking will cease on: May 10, 2011, 11:05:25 pm
Okay. Lately, I don't pray out loud very well, but I will pray for you, 2B.
6  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 10, 2011, 03:57:16 pm
You said some things that were emotionally very loaded, so much so, that I sort of dreaded coming back to this thread. It hurt to hear that so many hurtful things happened to you. I thought it needed to be a prayer request because it needs prayer.... I can feel there is a lot of pain.

... but it begged too many questions about God and about a person's salvation.
7  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 10, 2011, 03:33:02 pm
Judgmental? Do you mean I was not supposed to think or feel anything? Are we not supposed to test all things? You say something that is so profoundly disturbing, and then when someone finally admits to you how disturbing it is, you tell the person she is judgmental.

 





8  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 10, 2011, 01:36:54 pm
i think our ministry was destroyed;
my grandpa had a heart attack while we were in asia, and i was on the verge of sexual sins which would not have been understood by precious asian innocent christians who had not encountered western corruptions...

we have to be so careful not to be wolves and tares; we had the blessing a of a few genuine converts while there, but something went wrong.
there was an unresolved parental sin in the family as well, which was causing distress during the ministry period.
those can be utterly destructive to the faith of the offspring; my family is a shining example of what abuse can do to the sincerest hearts.
it is a scary result with many names!

=(

America = serving two masters. I have been guilty and must even confess to continuing in some of my sins; i have not tried hard enough to please the Lord.
focusing on one or two areas of life instead of caring for the whole creature and responsibilities leads to madness just as surely as becoming demonized, and in fact,
i would love to ask, what is the difference? every other american is "bi polar" (actually poisoned by stress, sugar, lack of outlets, and tv etc) due to lifestyle.
"it has become a dwelling place of demons" indeed.

i myself have entertained them, along with my share of angels. and i don't mean in the literal sense...
but like poor cain, i have allowed my inadequacies and feelings of deprivation and loneliness destroy others.
you know the mark of cain.
thank God the Lamb who was slain from the Beginning of Creation renews us every day, and his blood paid for all sins, even hateful recurring thorns in the flesh.
i am not strong like Paul or wise like Solomon.
but in today's faster than reality world, we have to perform many many many roles and so quickly.
our time to do His work will be shortened along with the time of tribulation and we must reach out more strongly to the lost than ever before in history.

i hope i can follow my own advice.

I'm sorry, but, this is why I hadn't come back to the thread. You said that, at the time, you were a Christian, but you were on the verge of committing sexual sins. This is just confusion to me. How can a Christian be on the verge of sexual sins? Why would a Christian expose anyone to Western corruptions when a Christian is a new creature? And why would a family member that is supposed to be a Christian... why would the family member abuse anybody? And we cannot blame it on being an American. When we're born again, we're a new creature... and the Holy Spirit is powerful enough even to sanctify the heart of even an American. Jesus raised people from the dead. He healed lepers. Even death could not keep Jesus... I do believe his blood is efficacious enough to cleanse even an American.

I'm sorry there was family abuse, but a born again person is not going to go out on a mission and corrupt anybody or be overly tempted to commit a sexual sin... and a born again Christian is not going to continue to commit whatever parental sins were committed on you. I'm sorry that these things happened to you, but...

You are saying things that defame the character of God by saying that the Holy Spirit would allow a Christian to sin in such destructive ways.
9  General Category / Prayer Requests / Plz pray 4 woman: husband is possessed by Magic the Gathering (the card game) on: May 09, 2011, 11:50:31 pm
 Magic the Gathering (the card game)

 

Dr. Johnson,
I was listening to your teaching on video games and it reminded me of how my husband and his friends are with Magic the card game. The game is so outright demonic it's insane, but my husband is so blind to it he thinks nothing is wrong. I do honestly question his salvation seeing as he spends ALL of his time playing these abominations and never opens his bible. I recently had a baby and right around the time she was born my husband started playing this game again, and it's as though his child means nothing. Seriously every word that comes out of his mouth is about magic, he doesn't want or think to talk about anything else. He spends all his free time either playing, building decks or reading about this stupid game from the pit of hell. He leaves for 8-12 hours at a time to play! (He doesn't even work that many hours in a day) And he doesn't see a problem with it at all.
I tried to stand up and say something and he went nuts, he was so demonically possessed all I could do was back off. He would not hear any scripture. It was like trying to tell someone with an addiction they have a problem! He is so altered and agressive now I wouldn't even know he was my husband. He also spends all of our money on this game without thinking about it! It didn't matter we had no money for food, he still went and spent $100 on this stupid game.
He tried to get me to play with him, and I learned the game to see what it was all about, it is so blantatly evil, its all about witcraft and performing different spells each turn to destory the other persons creature. It made me so sick i quit after a turn. I've noticed with all my husbands friends they are just as intrenched and obsessed as he is, and this game is a doorway to many other games they play all day long. I don't know how to get my husband back, he hates me because I hate the game and we fight all of the time, all because of this obsession with this abomination from hell! Would be glad for some prayers Smiley thx for the teaching as well! May God Bless your ministry!
10  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: Electronic Harassment Some of Us are tortured on: May 03, 2011, 10:18:04 am
I am targeted by law enforcement for electronic torture even though I have done nothing to solicit this treatment. I am perplexed as to why I am chosen. It is apparent to me that the apostasy prophetic revelation is evident. The NWO order is making dealy strides and the Church is gagged by 501 3c and sleep. Right in your face the agents of antichrist are doing their thing to kill and destroy. I hope you hear me because this is not the rant of a psychotic invalid. 

No... I don't think its a rant of a psychotic invalid. Our "leaders" have the technology and we are cattle to them to do what they will... I don't know why some are chosen for it but suspect it might be a generational longitudinal study if there is a particular unique genetic trait such as genius... or it may be that you are perceived as a possible threat.... and as a Christian, you are just a person they despise more than any other kind of person.... let us continue to pray again all the evil that is being done... and for us to be strengthened in our strong tower, with is God the Father, the Lord. Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.May God protect us under his wings. I hate that this is being done to you.
11  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 03:44:24 pm
ewwwwww!

thanks for the info.
i know rivera's sister (nun) flogged herself (maybe with help) nearly to DEATH.
he literally had to rescue her dying body from the convent and care for her according to the Chick production i read

this sounds almost the same as Clinton Global Initiative (luciferian front) "pledges" of works done publicly or in secret for the organization in order to earn a high place

rather store your treasure in heaven where neither thief nor decay can touch.
take it from someone who gave up the beginning of a good missionary ministry because of personal weakness, family abuse, and possibly satan.

would hate to be a tare but like you said her humble example humbled me at least.
my grandma liked diana more at the time which i didn't understand...

Thank you, also, for the information! I didn't know that about Rivera's sister.... and also had forgotten about the Clinton Global Initiative...

I'm thankful that you are in Christ and that by him, you have overcome so many things. It hadto be hard to turn down a ministry you liked.
12  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 03:28:07 pm
Here it is. Its Colossians  2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

A lot of times , these two things go together. The voluntary humility can be something like a vow of poverty... and it tends to be linked with angel worship... or Maryolatry and praying to those that have passed on, which is necromancy...

Some voluntary humilities are something we see and think we ought to try to be that spiritual, but the bible says to let nobody beguile us into it...
13  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 03:19:01 pm
he was the ex jesuit assassin who was poisoned after leaving/excommunication  Sad
tried to expose shadow govs etc

Oh... I should have known... I just didn't recognize the name. I know who you mean.... but he left the Roman Catholic Church and was born again.
14  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 03:16:24 pm
The gospel as i understand it....(this is real important).
When a person is born again, the Holy spirit gets to reside within. This bit of scripture is helpful to point to whether a person is indwelt by the Holy spirit or another spirit;
Galatians 5
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Now lets say a Catholic (or a Muslim or a bhudist even) were to live in the spirit-The Holy spirit would slowly cause that person to tend to the latter rather than the former state. So it would be impossible for a bhudist to remain a bhudist as bhudism doesnt involve faith in the God of Israel. Similarly a Catholic would eventually leave Catholicism because that would involve idolatry and heresy (there are lots of pages on this website about the heresy of Catholicism so i wont go into that here).
Unfortunately the Holy spirit has not helped me with my spelling-so you are going to have to turn a blind eye to that-haha

Lisax



Thank you, Lisa. Those are good verses, and what you say about the Holy Spirit taking people out of false religions is true....

I just realized as I looked at the scriptures, that I know so very little about Mother Theresa to know if she kept these.... though I can think of hardly anything more physically humbling than caring for and living as the poorest of the poor.... yet, in Roman Catholicism there are all kinds of voluntary humilities... and I think there is a verse about it.... and in the Roman Catholic religion, some choose to physically flog themselves... and there are some famous Roman Catholic mystics that even licked the puss off peoples' wounds in order to inflict a physical humility on herself. The verse says something about this kind of humility coupled with worship of angels...
15  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 03:04:35 pm
Shocked  Embarrassed  Cry

hope rivera was better  Shocked

I don't know who rivera is... but I do not mean to hurt anybody's feelings...
16  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 01:52:39 pm
I love that mother Theresa fed the poor, unfortunately, she even rejected what little gospel she knew... and she told Buddhists to be the best Buddhists they can and Muslims to be the best Muslims they can... and she spoke of seeing deity in people....

I love that she gave up material things and chose to be among to poorest of the poor and to live as one that is the poorest of the poor... but I regretfully have to say that she rejected the gospel, out-right. I'm sorry... she humbled herself in ways I can't imagine, but she didn't humble herself to the Jesus of the gospels.
17  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 11:39:01 am
Andrew Murray has some good studies on the basic stuff like this-He wrote va whole book on humility-which i assume is as ,meakness

Chapter 3 --HUMILITY IN THE LIFE OF JESUS
"I am in the midst of you as he that serveth." Luke 22: 27.

In the Gospel of John we have the inner life of our Lord laid open to us. Jesus speaks frequently of His relation to the Father, of the motives by which He is guided, of His consciousness of the power and spirit in which He acts. Though the word humble does not occur, we shall nowhere in Scripture see so clearly wherein His humility consisted. We have already said that this grace is in truth nothing but that simple consent of the creature to let God be all, in virtue of which it surrenders itself to His working alone. In Jesus we shall see how both as the Son of God in heaven, and as man upon earth, He took the place of entire subordination, and gave God the honor and the glory which is due to Him- And what He taught so often was made true to Himself: "He that humbleth him: shall be exalted." As it is written, "He humbled Himself, therefore God highly exalted Him."

Listen to the words in which our Lord speaks of His relation to the Father, and how unceasingly He uses the words not, and nothing, of Himself. The not I, in which Paul expresses his relation to Christ, is the very spirit of what Christ says of His relation the Father.

"The Son can do nothing of Himself" (John 5: 19).

"I can of My own self do nothing; My judgment is just, because I seek not Mine own will" (John 5: 30).

"I receive not glory from men" (John 5: 41).

"I am come not to do Mine own will" (John 6:38).

"My teaching is not Mine" (John 7:16)

"I am not come of Myself" (John 7:28)

"I do nothing of Myself" (John 8:28)

"I have not come of Myself, but He sent Me" (John 8: 42).

"I seek not Mine own glory" (John 8:50)

"The words that I say, I speak not from Myself" (John 14: 10).

"The word which ye hear is not Mine" (John 14: 24).

These words open to us the deepest roots of Christ's life and work. They tell us how it was that the Almighty God was able to work His mighty redemptive work through Him. They show what Christ counted the state of heart which became Him as the Son of the Father. They teach us what the essential nature and life is of that redemption which Christ accomplished and now communicates. It is this: He was nothing, that God might be all. He resigned Himself with His will and His powers entirely for the Father to work in Him. Of His own power, His own will, and His own glory, of His whole mission with all His works and His teaching,of all this He said, It is not I; I am nothing; I have given Myself to the Father to work; I am nothing, the Father is all.

This life of entire self-abnegation, of absolute submission and dependence upon the Father's will, Christ found to be one of perfect peace and joy. He lost nothing by giving all to God. God honored His trust, and did all for Him, and then exalted Him to His own right hand in glory. And because Christ had thus humbled Himself before God, and God was ever before Him, He found it possible to humble Himself before men too, and to be the Servant of all. His humility was simply the surrender of Himself to God, to allow Him to do in Him what He pleased, whatever men around might say of Him, or do to Him.

It is in this state of mind, in this spirit and disposition, that the redemption of Christ has its virtue and efficacy. It is to bring us to this disposition that we are made partakers of Christ. This is the true self-denial to which our Saviour calls us, the acknowledgment that self has nothing good in it, except as anempty vessel which God must fill, and that its claim to be or do anything may not for a moment be allowed. It is in this, above and before everything, in which the conformity to Jesus consists, the being and doing nothing of ourselves, that God may be all.

Here we have the root and nature of true humility. It is because this is not understood or sought after, that our humility is so superficial and so feeble. We must learn of Jesus, how He is meek and lowly of heart. He teaches us where true humility takes its rise and finds its strength-in the knowledge that it is God who worketh all in all, that our place is to yield to Him in perfect resignation and dependence, in full consent to be and to do nothing of ourselves. This is the life Christ came to reveal and to impart -a life to God that came through death to sin and self. If we feel that this life is too high for us and beyond our reach, it must but the more urge us to seek it in Him; it is the indwelling Christ who will live in us this life, meek and lowly. If we long for this, let us, meantime, above everything, seek the holy secret of the knowledge of the nature of God, as He every moment works all in all; the secret, of which all nature and every creature, and above all, every child of God, is to be the witness,-that it is nothing but a vessel, a channel, through which the living God can manifest the riches of His wisdom, power, and goodness. The root of all virtue and grace, of all faith and acceptable worship, is that we know that we have nothing but what we receive, and bow in deepest humility to wait upon God for it.

It was because this humility was not only a temporary sentiment, wakened up and brought into exercise when He thought of God, but the very spirit of His whole life, that Jesus was just as humble in His intercourse with men as with God. He felt Himself the Servant of God for the men whom God made and loved; as a natural consequence, He counted Himself the Servant of men, that through Him God might do His work of love. He never for a moment thought of seeking His honor, or asserting His power to vindicate Himself. His whole spirit was that of a life yielded to God to work in. It is not until Christians study the humility of Jesus as the very essence of His redemption, as the very blessedness of the life of the Son of God, as the only true relation to the Father, and therefore as that which Jesus must give us if we are to have any part with Him, that the terrible lack of actual, heavenly, manifest humility will become a burden and a sorrow, and our ordinary religion be set aside to secure this, the first and the chief of the marks of the Christ within us.

Brother, are you clothed with humility? Ask your daily life. Ask Jesus. Ask your friends. Ask the world. And begin to praise God that there is opened up to you in Jesus a heavenly humility of which you have hardly known, and through which a heavenly blessedness you possibly have never yet tasted can come in to you.

Chapter 2 Table of Contents Chapter 4


Wow. Thank you, Lisa. This is good. Smiley
18  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 11:34:56 am
i had not read this but we are thinking the same tihng,

in the shout box i had written "meek shall inherit the earth"

bless the precious holy spirit he is moving today

p.s. i have a bad temper so this study would benefit me

Thank you, nuclearnuttery, and I'm blessed to know that the same Spirit is working the same convictions in us. I love it when something that is on my heart is confirmed to be in another person's heart, as well....

Today, I'm having a struggle with meekness.... but remember that Jesus said something to the effect that is it better to take a wrong that is done unto us. A man asked him to tell his brother to not steal his inheritance. The poor guy was probably left destitute as his brother refused to give him his part of the inheritance. Yet, if Jesus expected him to accept the wrong and just go on in the suffering that was brought onto him by his own brother (in the flesh), then, I suppose....
19  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 11:20:56 am
... and "lowliness" is the opposite of high-mindedness... it is the opposite of pridefulness...

And "meekness" would have in it the ability to take offenses done unto you, as into taking a wrong. Though it would not do with ability to take offenses one IMAGINES is done unto one... because i a person were truly meek, the person would not imagine any offense... as a meek person is hardly offended by any REAL offenses. If a person is offended by an imaginary offense, then the person isn't meek. If a person is having a hard time getting over a REAL offense, then THAT person is having a hard time with meekness and is in a struggle to be meek...
20  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 11:10:20 am
Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
21  General Category / Bible Study / Meekness on: May 02, 2011, 10:58:42 am
I'm about to do a study on meekness. If anyone would like to join me, I'm doing it, here. If not, I'll probably just go ahead and post a verse, or two in this thread and just leave it for others to read or for me to come back and remind myself.

A lot of people think meekness is weakness, and I'm guessing it depends on the dictionary a person is reading....
22  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 09:39:19 pm
no it wasnt.
Vanessa misunderstood, you even admitted this
they both
now let them do it, and move on.

Dok, the message was unprovoked.

I never said that Vanessa misunderstood anything. I said I did not remember an exact detail on the thread in question, but either way, it was that William would know he does not need to confess his sins to us.

23  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 09:26:18 pm
Dok, please read this. I'm going to answer Kilika line-by-line :

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"The Lord rebuke you. How dare you disrespect William, a very young brother that is seriously reaching out to the brethren for help.


Show us where she disrespected William.

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And you go and cause disruption by going off-topic and scolding me in public out of total disregard for William.


Show us what she said that's off-topic.

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How dare you! You got a beef with me woman, fine, but don't you dare go around blasting people like that

Wow.... here we go, again... show us where she has blasted anybody.

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and take away from anothers time of need.

Show us where she took away from another's time of need.

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As I said, and apparently you still don't get, a pm was in order

So.... did she already request that you do not pm her? Then your sending her another pm is out of order.

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considering the thread is from a person that is seeking immmediate help, not just a general discussion about what a person thinks about a verse or something.

It had to do with whether or not he needed to confess his sins to us. That is immediate.

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God willing, what you should do is apologize profusely to William, and to the brethren for your disruption.

Now you are repeating the same accusations.

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Take the low seat and humble yourself before God.

.... and after your show of high puff-uppery, you tell HER to humble HERSELF? Surely, you must be feeling a little silly.

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"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." James 4:10 (KJB)
That is a very good verse. Now why don't you try it?

Dok, he made the accusations. The onus is on him to show us the proof.... and if he can't, he is the one that needs to apologize for making accusations.... and for behaving himself unseemly... and verbally "roughing up" a woman... even if he COULD prove his accusations, there is no justification for verbally "roughing up" a woman.... what is he going to do next.... Chew tobacco and spit tobacco in her face?  

His behavior is not justifiable, but it is forgivable, if he were to repent. He needs to apologize to Vanessa, and though I think it might take a little bit of time, she would forgive him. I can't speak for her but I'm just saying.
24  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 08:53:13 pm
if that is the case than can you please copy and paste where he told William he had to confess his sins to us, as this is what all this contention is about. This was the flash point, we have actually already covered all of this.

see here:
im getting tired of going in circles over this. in fact I have already stated what needs to be done. I will restate for clarification, than this is done with.

Now what you both need to do, is apologize to each other, and forgive each other, and than apologize to William. That is what we are commanded to do by our Creator, so do it.



I'm sorry, but from what I see, both were trying to edify William... I only would like to apologize to William, myself, that we are talking about him as though it were his thread that started all this. William, it isn't you. We all care about you, and it isn't you. You didn't start this.

Vanessa wanted to be sure that William know that he does not have to confess his sins to us. I don't see why she would have to apologize to anyone for that. She was trying to help.... then Kilika sent her a nasty message.

Dok, the message was unprovoked. Kilika needs to apologize.
25  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 08:32:18 pm
Or maybe faults in this context is when you sin AGAINST that OTHER person?

What I'm saying is that if, let's say, you steal $5 from the cafeteria lady, do you confess this sin to, let's say, some girl you know in your neighborhood who doesn't even go to your school? No, of course not - you confess this to that cafeteria lady you stole from, and then pay back the money you stole.

Or let's look at another example - if, let's say, you have lu**** l thoughts over your friend's girlfriend(and don't go as far as that) - do you confess this to your friend? Or to his girlfriend? OF COURSE NOT!

I mean where the Roman Catholic system goes wrong is that you can sin whatever sin you want, and a confessional they say will do the trick(ie-all those young boys that get molested by priests, but those priests and Jesuits still have their jobs b/c they made their confessional to their fellow priests).

I think this is the context they may be talking about.

I agree. Plus, an ex-priest-now-born-again-Christian said that when he used to hear confessions, the details of the confessions caused him temptation... and it comes from a Pagan tradition anyway, that religionists would confess their sins to priests and priests would hold it over them. It is good to try to make sure one has done all that one can to make right what he can any sin he committed.... though, as you said, not confess to a neighbor or his wife that you lusted after him...
26  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 08:18:20 pm
have you not been following the conversation or reading your own posts? please go back and reread it all.

Why do you say this? After all that has been said, how can any person come to any conclusion that Vanessa needs to apologize for anything? She contributed to a conversation.... and for some reason, Kilika didn't find her contribution to suit his preference.... and he sent Vanessa a NASTY message.

... and there is no reason for a man to talk to a woman that way. Think of how you'd feel if you saw a man talk to your wife that way.... and I can't figure out what in the world set him off to send such a nasty message. He is taking offense where there is no offense.
27  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 08:05:18 pm


Are you implying that she will not apologize and ask for forgiveness?


For what?
28  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 08:02:46 pm
Beware by what spirit ye are led!  Shocked

Sin is like a demon crouching at the door, "why are you so crestfallen", all fall short.

Humble ourselves and forgive one another.
I talk some major trash myself but in my case, it was a rabid post deleter, not just a woman basher.
Doesn't it make it right but it makes it understandable.

Us asperger types have trouble detecting intent sometimes via written words. gets us into a heap of cruddy duddy

Some of us are trying, but there are times that one party needs to do the forgiving and the other party needs to do the repenting. Other times, both parties need to do a little of both... but not in all cases, something it is the former of the two.

... and you do not appear to me to be the asperger type, but most people with Aspergers don't appear to be the Asperger type. With my step-nephew, I can recognize some symptoms, but the symptoms, I find to be endearing. Smiley
29  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 07:55:20 pm
Your getting ahead of the conversation. If Kilikia never stated that. than his first response would have been understandable. Yes?

No. Why do you say that? Let's find the conversation and post it. Either way, his private message is still very inappropriate. It is no way for a man to talk to a woman. It is not even a way for a man to talk to a man... or for any person to talk to any person! .... but it is worse that kilika is a man and he would be talking that way to a woman... and it is no wonder he did it in private! He would not want anyone to see him doing it in public!

I'm sorry... but he needs to apologize. I'm sure Vanessa will forgive him.... though I cannot speak for her... and it might take a little bit of time.... and prayer...
30  General Category / Off Topic Stuff / Re: Note from moderator: on: May 01, 2011, 07:42:36 pm
im trying to understand how this whole mess started in the first place. now i am starting to understand. You said it is because Kilikia said William should confess his sins to US. well where does he say this at?

I'm sorry... its either that or that Vanessa was trying to clarify with kilika that it doesn't mean he has to confess his specific sins to us. Let me look at it, again. Either way, it wouldn't have been an issue if it were not for the pm... and a person ought not feel he or she need to ask in private message whether he or she can post something or not. Whether or not it was helpful to the conversation, which I think it was, and kilika obviously thinks it was not, but whether or not it was, I guess it is a matter of opinion... and the private message was way out of line... and not only that... but it is no way for a man to talk to a woman.... and I have a feeling that Vanessa's husband would agree... and that is not meant as a threat, it is meant to remind a man to think of what a woman's husband would think, and to think of what he, himself would think if a man were to speak that way to HIS wife...
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