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December 31, 2019, 11:13:54 am ciwarrior1 says: The King James bible is NOT the pure word of God. In fact there are many errors in it. That is why the Pilgrims rejected the King James bible and relied on the Geneva Bible. In fact, the King James Bible is a paraphrase. The Bishops Bible, the Great Bible, and the Geneva Bible were used to produce the King James. Also, King James used the Massoretic text for the Greek and this text has proved to be faulty. The oldest Massoretic text dates back to about 950 AD with it coming out in book form in about 1000 AD. However, the dead sea scrolls proved that the Massoretic text wasn't even a viable text when you consider that the dead sea scrolls supported the Greek Septuagint over 90% of the time over the Massoretic text. The Massoretic text comes from the Jews who are the Synagogue of Satan. They are corrupt and vile, and they are not God Yahweh's chosen people Israel. True Israel are the white Caucasian, Celtic, Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred people in the world today. You would be better off getting the Ferrar-Fenton bible, the Rotherham Bible, and so forth. These bibles are more accurate than the King James Bible. However, there is an agenda to misinterpret the bible. For example, according to the bible race mixing is a sin. However, how many church's promote race mixing because they think that the King James bible says so. It doesn't, but since the read it and don't do any investigation, they just believe it. Also, many Christian pastors are crypto Jews just like Pastor David Jeremiah, Benny Hinn, and so forth.
December 31, 2019, 11:10:09 am ciwarrior1 says: The King James bible is NOT the pure word of God. In fact there are many errors in it. That is why the Pilgrims rejected the King James bible and relied on the Geneva Bible. In fact, the King James Bible is a paraphrase. The Bishops Bible, the Great Bible, and the Geneva Bible were used to produce the King James. Also, King James used the Massoretic text for the Greek and this text has proved to be faulty. The oldest Massoretic text dates back to about 950 AD with it coming out in book form in about 1000 AD. However, the dead sea scrolls proved that the Massoretic text wasn't even a viable text when you consider that the dead sea scrolls supported the Greek Septuagint over 90% of the time over the Massoretic text. The Massoretic text comes from the Jews who are the Synagogue of Satan. They are corrupt and vile, and they are not God Yahweh's chosen people Israel. True Israel are the white Caucasian, Celtic, Anglo Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred people in the world today. You would be better off getting the Ferrar-Fenton bible, the Rotherham Bible, and so forth. These bibles are a not more accurate than the King James Bible. However, there is an agenda to misinterpret the bible. For example, according to the bible race mixing is a sin. However, how many church's promote race mixing because they think that the King James bible says so. It doesn't, but since the read it and don't do any investigation, they just believe it. Also, many Christian pastors are crypto Jews just like Pastor David Jeremiah, Benny Hinn, and so forth.
August 08, 2018, 02:38:10 am suzytr says: Hello, any good churches in the Sacto, CA area, also looking in Reno NV, thanks in advance and God Bless you Smiley
January 29, 2018, 01:21:57 am Christian40 says: It will be interesting to see what happens this year Israel being 70 years as a modern nation may 14 2018
October 17, 2017, 01:25:20 am Christian40 says: It is good to type Mark is here again!  Smiley
October 16, 2017, 03:28:18 am Christian40 says: anyone else thinking that time is accelerating now? it seems im doing days in shorter time now is time being affected in some way?
September 24, 2017, 10:45:16 pm Psalm 51:17 says: The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
September 20, 2017, 04:32:32 am Christian40 says: "The most popular Hepatitis B vaccine is nothing short of a witch’s brew including aluminum, formaldehyde, yeast, amino acids, and soy. Aluminum is a known neurotoxin that destroys cellular metabolism and function. Hundreds of studies link to the ravaging effects of aluminum. The other proteins and formaldehyde serve to activate the immune system and open up the blood-brain barrier. This is NOT a good thing."
September 19, 2017, 03:59:21 am Christian40 says: bbc international did a video about there street preaching they are good witnesses
September 14, 2017, 08:06:04 am Psalm 51:17 says: bro Mark Hunter on YT has some good, edifying stuff too.
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28021  General Category / End Times / Emergent Church Leaders Promote Evolutionary Spirtuality on: December 27, 2010, 09:37:52 pm

Emergent Church leaders Sally Morgenthaler, Spencer Burke, Doug Pagitt and Brian McLaren are joining “Evolutionary Evangelist” Michael Dowd in the promotion of evolutionary spirituality, long taught by leading New Age gurus like Barbara Marx Hubbard. Dowd sent out this press release yesterday about the new project.

DECEMBER 22, 2010 – This Christmas season, bestselling author and evolutionary evangelist Rev. Michael Dowd is having an online revival of sorts, and pitching what may be the biggest tent yet for fellow Christians who embrace evolution and honor science: EvolutionaryChristianity.com.

As a sequel to his breakthrough book Thank God for Evolution (Viking/Plume), Rev. Dowd is hosting and producing a living library of free podcasts and live panels with preeminent Christians on the leading edge of science and religion, where mythic beliefs and measurable reality collide.

“The New Atheists and scriptural literalists are not the only games in town,” says Dowd. “In contrast to Richard Dawkins’ God-less universe, tens of millions of us in the middle celebrate both Jesus and Darwin. For us, religious faith is strengthened by what God is revealing through science.”

Dowd will speak one-on-one with 38 religious and scientific luminaries representing Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Progressives, and both Integral and Emerging Church leaders about “how science can deepen faith, not threaten it.”

The historic dialogues, titled, The Advent of Evolutionary Christianity: Conversations at the Leading Edge of Faith, explore the emergence of a new form of religious experience that reveres what God is revealing through science and embraces all of creation. Dowd will talk with some of the most respected names in science and religion — Nobel laureates and Templeton Prize-winners among them.

His guests also include Brian McLaren, named by Time magazine as one of America’s 25 most influential evangelicals; Catholic theologian John Haught and Brown University biologist Ken Miller, both key witnesses for the plaintiff at the 2005 Dover ‘intelligent design’ trial; Wired magazine co-founder Kevin Kelly; Ian Lawton, pastor of the Michigan church that recently made national news for removing its cross; Sister Joan Chittister, co-chair of the U.N. Global Peace Initiative of Women; and Sister Gail Worcelo, co-founder of Green Mountain Monastery with Thomas Berry; Bishop John Shelby Spong, whose books on evolving faith have sold more than a million copies; Matthew Fox, defrocked by now Pope Benedict XVI for embracing Creation Spirituality; Paul Smith, a veteran pastor who was kicked out of the Southern Baptist Convention for blessing gay unions; and 30 other evolutionary Christians.

» View all speakers grouped by affiliation

In the spirit of the season, Dowd and his guests are giving away free access to all the interviews. The daily dialogues were launched December 4 on EvolutionaryChristianity.com, and will continue through January 14. Already more than ten thousand Christians from around the world, including hundreds of clergy, have found the site, with many joining the conversation.

“For far too long the public debate has been a battle of extremes,” says Rev. Dowd. “After nearly a decade on the road sharing the good news of evolution, I felt called to convene a coalition of Christian leaders who embrace scientific evidence as divine communication. By focusing on values and perspectives that we all share, rather than on our differences, we are discovering extraordinary common ground. There’s more than one way to be an evolutionary Christian, but what we all share are deep-time eyes and a global heart.”

From January 15 through February 1, Dowd will host six live online seminars with an internet audience of tens of thousands who can ask questions of the panelists. In February, transcripts of all the dialogues and panel discussions will be made available to the public, along with study guides for churches, seminaries, and school boards.

» View live panel schedule

A recent Gallup poll reveals that four in ten Americans still believe that “God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so,” or what Dowd dubs “denial about the reality of deep time and our real history.”

Dowd believes that now is the time to help fellow Christians relate to their faith within the context of a universe that he exclaims is “far more glorious and inspiring than anyone living thousands of years ago could have possibly imagined—even prophets!”

Rev. Dowd has come a long way since handing out anti-evolution tracts in his early 20s. Today, he and his wife Connie Barlow, a science writer, are itinerant evolutionary evangelists proclaiming a gospel billions of years old.

The unorthodox missionaries have spoken to more than eleven hundred audiences, from Baptists to Buddhists, about how science and religion can enjoy a happy marriage. The Dodge Sprinter they call home travels North America with a clear message on both sides, the Jesus and Darwin fishes kissing, a graphic Dowd says gets them “a lot of smiles and a few gestures.”

Dowd’s first book, EarthSpirit: A handbook for nurturing an ecological Christianity, was one of the first attempts to look appreciatively at biblical Christianity in light of what scientists have discovered about the universe.

His most recent, Thank God for Evolution: How the Marriage of Science and Religion Will Transform Your Life and Our World, was endorsed by six Nobel Prize-winning scientists and by religious leaders across the spectrum.

Meanwhile, Barbara Marx Hubbard and her New Spirituality friends are promoting their upcoming Shift Retreat where they are also going to be addressing evolutionary spirituality. This is where all the teaching on evolution was eventually headed–not into atheism, but to this global spirituality with man at the center and on the throne. As Hubbard declares in her demonic retelling of the book of Revelation, those who will not participate will face judgment day. Doug Pagitt, Brian McLaren, Spencer Burke, Sally Morgenthaler and anyone who legitimizes them by participating with them in their conferences, books, and online seminars are helping to promote the doctrines of demons. Those who refuse to come out from among these men and women and stay clean from their lies are participants in with them.

28022  General Category / War On Family / Re: Officer won't sign order for troop indoctrination (GAYING OF AMERICA) on: December 27, 2010, 08:50:59 pm
I predict America is about to be Judged.

Child Sacrifice and Homosexuality has always been the last straw throughout the bible - no, I'm not saying other sins are lesser than these, but the Days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, and many other instances have proven this.

Also, don't forget about other draconian legislations that were quietly rammed down during the days leading up to xmas in Congress(ie-food safety bill and START) - yes, looks like the judgements are slowly but surely coming.
28023  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Who is the vicar of Christ on: December 27, 2010, 06:58:25 pm
Why a growing number of pastors and churches(yes, including Baptist ones) don't expose this nowdays is beyond me.

As a matter of fact, numerous pastors I've crossed paths with over my lifetime have PRAISED John Paul II. Seriously, it's right there in the book of John, the same one these pastors say we should use first and foremost to witness to unbelievers. I'm shocked.
28024  General Category / False Religions / Re: Music Video Symbols on: December 22, 2010, 10:55:05 am
Speaking of MTV, they have a reality show called "16 and Pregnant" - Seriously, they are GLORYFYING fornication among teens? Much less them that get pregnant during these years? Where is all the outcry from James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Bill Bright, and the rest of the "religious right" over this Huh
28025  General Category / False Religions / Re: Music Video Symbols on: December 22, 2010, 10:51:46 am
I visited the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame years ago in Cleveland - I didn't realize it at the time, but as we all know, the building itself is shaped as that Illuminati pyramid.

I had no idea until recently when the Lord revealed to me that Rock N Roll has been a tool of Satan and the Illuminati to vex and distress everyone's souls. Rock N Roll means, I think, troubling and fornication of the soul. Fornication, as we all know, is heavily condemned in the bible.
28026  General Category / False Religions / Re: Humanist Quotes on: December 22, 2010, 07:43:09 am
Not just schools bible colleges also! In Australia i have attended two bible colleges both taught that inerrancy of the bible (literalism)was no longer in vogue and thus when you wrote an essay on a certain chapters in the gospels it was based on the principles of  "Relativity" conforming to political correctness so as not to offend identity/minority groups, thats how it would be viewed and marked by the bible college lecturers.Thus the bible colleges have also caved into post modernism. PM is ofcause just another face of humanism!.

Yep - in the previous city I lived in, my mom knew the Baptist Seminary President there, and was close friends with his daugther. I've crossed paths with him at my church - he's a nice guy, however, I do think in some ways he's been deceived. For example, he was at a conference one time, and he told everyone how seminary students should NOT ask questions to their professors/stand down in the classroom(ie-this isn't the exact quote, but the message he gave off was that seminary students shouldn't be good Boreans). And for that matter too, he's allowed Emergent philosophy like 'Purpose Driven Life' to be a part of his seminary curriculum.

And for that matter too - in recent years, they've been hiring sem professors trained in this Emergent philosophy - no surprise, because over the last decade when a growing number of churches have adopted PDL/Bill Hybels, and other Emergent nonsense, teens and kids have grown up in this environment. So fast-forward 8-10 years later once they've graduated from their corrupt seminaries, they're firmly implanted in this.
28027  General Category / Fellowship / Re: The Loneliness of the Christian on: December 22, 2010, 07:29:55 am
Yes i can relate to this topic also. It appears many church going 5013c types think there is no such thing as an existenial christian they cant seem to get their head round it, to them someone that does not seek fellowship e.g attend church every sunday is NOT christian!
They also seem to consider "born again" christians to be not REAL christians either & some seem to have have an actual pecking order where they think some christians are more preordained thans others e.g theology lecturers, church elders, deacons, Bible college principals some pastors etc. the list goes on yet none of this behaviour seems to correspond with the NT gospels.

Not all, but a growing number of them seem to put "tithing" way too much at the forefront. Alot of messages I hear is how if you give tithe, and at least 10%, all your finances et al will be blessed. And for that matter too, I've also heard nonsense like if you give more than 10%, you will get more blessings. No wonder why these same pastors et al look up to Rick Warren, b/c supposedly Warren gives 90%, so they're like, "He's a man of faith, so there's no need to look into him any further".

As for tithing, I have no problems with churches and ministries needing to raise money(ie-their daily expenses ala $30K a month or so, for example, to pay for the electricity, janitorial, food, etc stuff that needs to be done, as well as other ministry work). But it's come to a point now where pastors and church leaderships are manipulating their pews so that their own wallets can be fattened a bit.
28028  General Category / New-Age / Re: David Icke Debunked ( New 2.5 hour documentary) on: December 22, 2010, 07:25:45 am
I encourage everyone to join me in prayer for Icke and his followers, that they may be touched by this work.  Chris White's work on other so-called "truthers" was instrumental in opening my eyes and turning me toward Jesus Christ 2/3 years ag
Can they be prayed for can they be saved? I ve actually been posting on icke.com off and on for the last three years i am convined most of the senior posters and mods in that place are bona fide Occult members some even have OTO signitures and satanic or theosophic ones so they are not exactly trying to hide the fact either.
I cant see how you can really pray for those gripped by blatant wickedness if they unwitting maybe, but trust me most **** posters there are blatant Occult anti christians their total goal is to see christ die a second death!.

Wasn't Doc Marquis a long-time occult member before he converted? Or how about Jim Shaw? Wasn't he a 33rd Degree Mason before he got out and converted? Or how about Apostle Paul? Wasn't he a persecuter of Christianity before Jesus called him?

Eze 18:27  Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28  Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

BTW-finally saw the darn thing last night-very informative.
28029  General Category / False Religions / What is Dominionism? Does your church promote it? on: December 21, 2010, 09:53:01 pm

By AM on Dec 21, 2010 in AM Missives, Current Issues, Features, New Apostolic Reformation

By Sarah Leslie of Discernment Ministries, Inc.

The following material was included in 3 separate presentations I made at Discernment conferences this Fall. The presentations were accompanied by clips from DVDs to illustrate the points. The basic outline of these talks is below. This is a work in progress, and at some point there may be a webpage where further examples are posted, including the visual clips.

The reader must keep in mind that this report illustrates the problems inherent in the Dominionist worldview. Many of these false teachings are actually part of denominational doctrines, some were concocted in the past several decades, some come out of the occult. There is a dearth of solid theological refutations of these heresies and errors. Why is this? There were great and grave compromises in the seminaries over the past century, where these heresies were allowed to co-exist with fundamentalism, and where they were permitted to gain ground and become more acceptable—to the point that common people, humble pastors, and concerned professors in small Bible colleges and seminaries were silenced. Furthermore, these false teachings went mainstream through the rapid rise of the modern televangelists, Christian books and seminars, and parachurch organizations.

Each day at Discernment Ministries we receive correspondence from precious sheep struggling to understand these errors. We exhort those who read this, who are capable of writing solid biblical refutations of these errors, to prayerfully consider their responsibility before God and man to write rebuttals.


The belief that we (mankind) have a mandate to build the “kingdom of God” on earth, restoring paradise, by progressively and supernaturally transforming ourselves and all societal institutions, through subduing and ruling the earth by whatever means possible, including using technology, science and psycho-social engineering; and then and only then will a “Christ” manifest his presence on earth.

Al Dager in his book VENGEANCE IS OURS: The Church In Dominion (Sword 1990) lists two further definitions of Dominionism:

A basic premise of dominion theology is that when Adam sinned, not only did man lose dominion over the earth, but God also lost control of the earth to Satan. Since that time, some say, God has been on the outside looking in, searching for a “covenant people” who will be His “extension” or “expression” in the earth to take dominion back from Satan. According to the dominionist interpretation, this is the meaning of the Great Commission.

Some teach that this is to be accomplished through certain “overcomers” who, by yielding themselves to the authority of latter-day apostles and prophets, will take control of the kingdoms of this world. These kingdoms are defined as the various social institutions, such as the “kingdom” of education, the “kingdom” of science, the “kingdom” of the arts, and so on. Most especially there is the “kingdom” of politics and government. (Dager, p. 44)


Dominion theology is predicated upon three basic beliefs:

1) Satan usurped man’s dominion over the earth through the temptation of Adam and Eve;

2) The Church is God’s instrument to take dominion back from Satan;

3) Jesus cannot or will not return until the Church has taken dominion by gaining control of the earth’s government and social institutions. (Dager, p. 87)


What follows is a comprehensive list (although not complete!) of potential things to watch for that indicate that a particular teaching may be Dominionist.

1. Bypasses the Cross

De-emphasizes the Gospel of Salvation.
Substitutes the Gospel of the Kingdom, or embellishes the Gospel of Salvation with the addition of the kingdom message.
Teaches Jesus didn’t quite defeat Satan on the Cross, He didn’t get the whole job done – the church must finish the job – the onus is on man.
Emphasizes Old Testament Law and Covenants, works and deeds, and minimizes (or even mocks) salvation by faith through grace.
Ignores, slides over, sidesteps, gives lip service to, or otherwise disregards the fact that Jesus saves us from OUR SINS! The biblical teaching of the utter depravity of man is bypassed, minimized, neglected, missing totally, or mocked.
Jesus is seen as corrupted. He becomes a nebulous touchy-feely fellow, the object of our “passion,” a “god within,” a “force,” a “story,” a “king,” a “liberator from oppression,” one of many “christs.”
Jesus’s role as Savior and Redeemer is diminished and truncated, and His work is unfinished – and
As an example of this point, watch ERIC SWANSON of Leadership Network on the YouTube clip below. You will hear how he changed the gospel of salvation to the gospel of the kingdom: 

2. The Old Testament is exaggerated and emphasized.

The New Testament is minimized, or only viewed through the distorted lens of the Old Testament.
The New Covenant of Christ’s shed blood on the cross for our sins is minimized. The O.T. is mixed back in with the Gospel. (“Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” Gal. 3:3).
Replacement theology – the Church is Israel, and some or all O.T. verses about Israel are only applied to the Church. A shift in emphasis from Christ the rock of our salvation, to building an actual kingdom on earth. Using allegories and symbolism, especially in interpreting O.T. prophecy that hasn’t yet been fulfilled.
Ignoring, allegorizing or skipping over the O.T. prophets, or perverting their message. Especially ignoring their dire warnings about the consequences of idolatry and sin, and God’s impending judgment.
Extremes in teaching law or grace.
A return to fundamental elements of the O.T. Law – Theonomy and Theocracy.
Or, a corresponding emphasis on N.T. “Law,” especially the Sermon on the Mount. This often manifests as “Liberation Theology,” which is neo-Communist (peacekeeping, sustainable lifestyles, reconciliation, redistribution of wealth, charity as welfare, government Socialism, etc.)Some Dominionist “kingdom” teachings begin to sound precariously close to anti-Semitism:
“Who are the subjects of the kingdom of God? The Jews? No, Jesus told the Jews quite pointedly, ‘I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it’ (Mt 21:43) (Bercot, The Kingdom That Turned The World Upside Down, p. 13)

3. The Gospel of Salvation becomes the “gospel of the kingdom”

Certain theologians teach that the Gospel of Salvation is not as important as their “gospel” of the kingdom. They claim that the church got it “wrong” for 2000 years!
The Gospel of Salvation is reduced to a:
“means to an end—entering the kingdom of God. Jesus never intended that His followers would preach about salvation and the new birth apart from the kingdom. The kingdom is an absolutely crucial aspect of the gospel. When we tell people about salvation—but say nothing about the kingdom—we are not preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.” (David Bercot, p. 12-13)

The Gospel of the Kingdom is substituted for the Gospel of Salvation:
“The Message Is The Kingdom

“This means when we preach salvation alone we are missing the majority of God’s kingdom message. Salvation is essential. There is no other way of entry into the Kingdom of God. But salvation is the entry into the kingdom; it is not the goal or the Kingdom itself. By making it the goal we have lost most of God’s message. (Landa Cope, An Introduction to The Old Testament Template: Rediscovering God’s principles for discipling all nations, p. 147)

“Our destiny is not salvation

“God died to save us and desires salvation for all. The only way into the Kingdom of God is through Jesus Christ, but salvation is not God’s ultimate goal. The new birth is a means to an end.” (Landa Cope, p. 150)

The Dominionist theologians teach that this “kingdom” is a literal, physical, tangible kingdom here and now. They say it is not just a spiritual kingdom, nor one that is only fulfilled in the future. This “new type of kingdom” is described as:
“a real kingdom. The ancient kingdom of the Israelites was definitely a real kingdom, wasn’t it? It had real kings, real subjects, and real laws. Its domain encompasses the entire earth, even though most of the earth’s population are not citizens of this kingdom.” (Bercot, p. 15)

This kingdom must be set up in this world now. It is a man-based initiative that relies on man’s works to inaugurate:
“1. The Kingdom of God was inaugurated and the King was installed and seated in the First Century A.D. and we need not wait for the King’s second coming to get the Kingdom started here on earth….” (Jay Grimstead letter to Coalition on Revival Steering Committee, May 1993)

This kingdom is seen as “at war,” but not in the sense of the contending for the truth of the Gospel. Rather there are penalties for not obeying these kingdom “laws.” Failure to obey them is considered “treason” against the kingdom or its king:
“Jesus has issued various laws and commandments, and all of His laws are wartime laws. When we break His laws, we show ourselves to be traitors. We show that we have no real love for our new country.” (Bercot, p. 20)

This kingdom has laws that must be obeyed, most of them O.T., and anything less than absolute obedience to these laws is quickly mischaracterized and condemned as “easy-believism,” “cheap grace,” “antinomianism,”  “Armenianism,” etc.
The shift from the Gospel of Salvation to the gospel of the kingdom requires “paradigm shift,” a worldview change which is substituted for biblical repentance:
“The paradigm shift that we must make in order to enter and remain in the kingdom is just that radical! …If we are truly kingdom citizens our whole worldview changes….”

[Jesus] wanted to give [His disciples] a new set of values and a new set of laws—together with a new life.” (Bercot, p. 25)

4. God’s SOVEREIGNTY is insufficient and the Church must make up for His lack.

Certain things biblically assigned to Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father, are passed on as responsibilities that must be borne by the Church.
The unspoken assumption that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit (the Trinity) is incomplete without man—God can’t do anything unless man acts.
The Church takes on the role of Jesus – it must redeem the earth, “advance” or build the kingdom of God spiritually and/or physically, take over governments so that it can rule and reign on earth, and restore everything to its “proper” order.
The Church thinks it must “incarnate” Christ here on earth, and be his “presence.” He’s far away in heaven somewhere, too busy or preoccupied
The Church as “change agent” must quantify its goals, set benchmarks for the fulfillment of its duties, standardize its outcomes, and continually monitor and assess individual and group progress using databanking, modern psycho-social instruments and technology.
Fulfilling the Great Commission mandate to “disciple” all nations is viewed as statistically measurable, its completion being entirely up to man. Jesus won’t return until the goal is met.
Man must do it. God is waiting for man to act. The onus is on man. This is a man-centered faith. In this sense Dominionism is pure Humanism.
5. The Church is confused with Society or Nation

Basic doctrines of salvation and repentance from sin, conversion, confession of faith, and baptism of believers no longer define what constitutes “Church.”
The autonomy of the local Church is not permitted. It must become part of a greater societal and networking whole, a “system.”
Church is broadly re-defined to mean a given region, particularly a city.
“Church” is re-defined in the context of culture. Culture must be “redeemed” not individual sinners.
Everyone and everything on earth is obligated to come under submission to the kingdom church, its laws and its “king,” or else be guilty of “treason” –
“4. At this moment of history, all humans on earth, whether Jew or Gentile, believer or unbeliever, private person or public official, are OBLIGATED TO BOW THEIR KNEES to THIS King Jesus, confess Him as Lord of the universe with their tongues, and submit to His lordship over every aspect of their lives in thought, word and deed.”

“5. Biblical evangelism according to the Great Commission of Matt. 28:18-20 is not truly accomplished unless that message of Christ’s lordship from point #4 above is given to the person being evangelized SO THAT THEY KNOW that an attempt at PERSONAL NEUTRALITY BEFORE KING JESUS IS SIN and TREASON in this universe….” (Grimstead letter)

The Church puts itself in charge of Society, its Institutions, Culture, and the State. Society is viewed as an extension of Church.
The “missional” Church redefines its primary role from that of preaching the Gospel to that of becoming a transforming agent of Society. This is accomplished by changing people’s external lives, affecting how they think (“worldview”), passing laws,  and “redeeming” cultural institutions.
To transform Society, the Church justifies using state-of-the-art tools of psychology and sociology, including Humanistic education methods, operant conditioning, dialectics, brain manipulations and marketing methods.
A mere “change in “worldview” (opinions, values, beliefs, attitudes, etc.) is substituted for genuine repentance and conversion.
Reaching a worldview consensus is viewed as necessary to build the kingdom on earth. It thus becomes necessary to change the public’s worldview in any given culture or nation.
6. An entire CULTURE must be “redeemed,” whole nations can be “saved”

Evangelization—believing that entire nations or “people groups” can be collectively saved, including by manipulative methods such as psycho-social group consensus.
The emphasis is on the EXTERNAL – changing laws, morals, ethics, values, culture, and people’s worldview through education and/or political action.
No biblical separation. Rather, saturation. The church integrates and interacts with culture.
There is a marked decrease in preaching the Gospel of Salvation, the WORD of God, which alone can changes individual hearts and lives. (“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Heb. 4:12)

Substituted for the true Gospel is a man-centered Social Gospel of community transformation:
“So the goal that God has now placed on the agenda of the Body of Christ in the last few years, much more than we can find in the past, is, the goal is transforming our society.  Seeing the values of the kingdom of God, that’s why Jesus taught us to pray… the Lord’s Prayer, ‘Our Father, who art in heaven’….  And part of that prayer is, ‘your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven’…. It’s not just words we’re speaking. ‘Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.’ So transforming our society, understanding the kingdom, and transforming our society is, number one.
(C. Peter Wagner, “Arise Prophetic Conference,” Gateway Church, San Jose, CA, 10-10-2004, transcript posted at http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arise.html)

Another substitute gospel of redeeming creation, restoring paradise conditions to the whole earth.
“Jesus’ resurrection marks the beginning of a restoration that he will complete upon his return…. The whole earth can be redeemed, transformed and restored to paradise conditions…. [T]he new creation has begun, and we have a job to do…. What the New Testament really says is God wants you to be a renewed human being helping him to renew his creation, and his resurrection was the opening bell.” (N.T. Wright, TIME, 2/7/08, http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html)

7. An ESCHATOLOGY for an endtime revival

Jesus can’t return until the church does its job right here on earth. Or Jesus will return by “incarnating” in us. “The God Within.”
The Church will usher in the “kingdom of God,” with all things progressively getting better and better, eventually restoring paradise and/or bringing heaven down to earth.
“7. The Lord’s Prayer stating that “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” was meant to be prayed by us with the hope that this condition would happen on earth BEFORE Christ’s second coming wherever and whenever the Christians of any geography decided to band together to help make it happen.” (Grimstead letter)

The belief that we are in a 2nd apostolic age, where God will begin to speak new things to self-anointed, self-appointed apostles and prophets who are claimed to be equivalent to the First Century ones:
“2001 marks, is the year that marks the second apostolic age, which means for years the government of the church had not been in place since about, you know, the first century or so…. [T]the foundation of the church according to Ephesians 2:20 is apostles and prophets, Jesus being the chief cornerstone.  It doesn’t mean there weren’t apostles and prophets, it means the body of Christ hadn’t recognized them and released them for the office that they had so that they’d function as apostles and prophets in the foundation of the church.  But we now have that, I believe we’ve reached our critical mass in the year 2001. (C. Peter Wagner, “Arise Prophetic Conference,” 2004)

Speaking of the Holy Spirit as a force, an emanation, something that can be manipulated or invoked, imparted by human activities, etc., especially through manifestations of “signs and wonders.”
Ignoring the Holy Spirit’s attributes, and his biblically defined personhood in the Trinity.
Note: modern Dominionists are of every possible eschatological persuasion. The defining criteria for Dominionism is no longer postmillennialism. The issue is not necessarily WHEN they see Jesus as coming, but rather that the church needs to REDEEM the culture or take over governments NOW. Nevertheless, Postmillennialism is still the prevailing ideology.The following quotations refute these basic heresies by explaining earlier church history:

“The earlier Christians all looked forward to the future rule of Christ upon this earth; but when the CHURCH and the STATE interlocked arms, the Church began spiritualizing the millennial passages and understanding that the reign of Christ would be realized THROUGH CHRISTIAN CIVIL LEADERS….

 “It was the rise of Premillennial thought, largely through the Baptists, that helped to overthrow Postmillennial (and Amillennial to a lesser degree) thinking that all governments of this world should be COERCED to embrace the Christian faith. With the spread of their doctrines through the world, religious liberty was again given its proper Christian understanding and the Church was SEPARATED from the affairs of the STATE.” (Paul Shirk, Come Out From Among Them My People)

8. Perfection/Unity

The teaching that the Church is evolving into little gods, a “new breed,” or an “elect seed” for a transformed endtime “Joel’s Army.”
The belief that this generation has a unique DNA or extraordinary special gifting from God.
Or, worse, the idea that man can create a “new man” either mystically and/or through a better DNA. The idea that man can be perfected to pre-Fall conditions.
The belief that it is harmless to associate with any heretic, even if they are caught in flagrant acts of immorality, illegal behavior, or openly teach heretical doctrines (Todd Bentley, e.g.).
The idea that you are impervious to leaven, that it cannot adversely affect you, that you can be around it without any bad consequences to your faith.
An insistence on unity at all costs, especially ecumenical unity among Christians, but also including extreme unity with other faiths.
Looking for “elect Seeds” to raise up the kingdom government.
“For they are the best of all the generations that have ever been upon the face of the earth. And best of all generations are those elected seeds that will glorify Christ in the last days….

“They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before….

They’ll move in the power that Christ did. Every sign and wonder that’s ever been will be many times in the last days. They themselves will be that generation that’s raised up to put death itself underneath their feet and to glorify Christ in every way.

… the Lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a Church that has reached the full maturity of the God-man!” (p. 146, Vengeance Is Ours, quoting Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, 1988, audio tape with Mike Bickle.)

9. Spiritual Formation and/or Structural Realignment

Teaching a “5 fold ministry” that emphasizes modern-day apostles and prophets as heads of a hierarchical, pyramidal, downline, Amway-style marketing, shepherding model.
Aligning structurally, and being “externally-focused” to be “missional” and “redeem the culture.”
Inner spiritual formation to get oneself in position for the “paradigm shift” in the church.
An inordinate emphasis on Dominion by “ruling” and “subduing” the earth and its people.
10. Networking and Collaborative Models

The church networking and forming common ground with business, secular and governmental agencies, organizations, institutions, etc. in order to further the “kingdom of God” on earth.
The church merging its interests and identity with those of Corporate business organizations and Government.
Building the 7 Mountains (or the neo-Kuyperian “spheres”)—cultural centers that must be overtaken and ruled by head apostles in the church.
The idea of RECONCILIATION rather than repentance – forging common ground with any group that appears to further kingdom goals, building an international community on earth.
11. “Do whatever it takes” (Rick Warren)

Extreme pragmatism. Evident lack of compassion and mercy, particularly for the weaker, elderly, infirm, infants or children. (“Without natural affection.” Romans 1:31; 2 Tim. 3:3)
The philosophy that the ends justify the means.
Viewing people as “human capital” assigned with an economic value. Talking about “spiritual capital.”
Cultlike rigidity and excessive harshness, controlling behaviors, severe restrictions, retributions, penalties and reprisals.
A preoccupation with aggressive rhetoric and military metaphors that could easily evolve into outright force, coercion or brutality.
“All truth is God’s truth,” and therefore anything can be justified as “new truth” and used in kingdom pursuits.
The idea that anyone on kingdom business is above the law, morally or legally. Flagrant or cocky lawlessness. Rebellion.
Partnering with anyone and anything, no matter how ecumenical or immoral, if it seems to further kingdom goals.
Not abstaining from “all appearance of evil” (1 Thess. 5:2)
Preoccupation with militarism, including the merger of civil military goals with spiritual warfare.

The idea that we are evolving into higher-order Christians with special higher powers.
The idea that we are coming to newer and better understandings of God’s Word and are progressively growing more spiritual as a result.
Teaching that Christians can attain a higher consciousness, develop higher powers, achieve immortalization, and even conquer death.
The Hollywood style of idolizing media personalities and popular leadership.
The belief that leaders are divine, spiritual masters, or have a divine destiny and purpose to guide the kingdom on earth.
The idolatrous view that some leaders are more elite than others, and thus worthy of absolute obedience and/or awe or reverence.
The heresy that Christians cannot access God without going through a mediatrix, a specially empowered leader. The elimination of the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers.

The belief that New Testament prophets operate just like O.T. prophets, and that new prophets are arising for the last days who are specially gifted to put the church in order.
Strange and bizarre manifestations in praise and worship. Unholy and irreverent spiritual occurrences and phenomena.
The belief in secret knowledge (GNOSIS), that God is giving new instructions to the church today, new “Rhema” words, even new Scripture.
The use of decrees, impartations, invocations and paranormal phenomena for kingdom pursuits.
Using signs and wonders to desensitize people to be more accepting of new teachings and doctrines.

The justification and use of real warfare and/or weapons, including science and technology, as an ally in kingdom-building.
A call for an end-time Joel’s Army that is spiritual, but also may be physical.
Techno-man – reinventing, healing or perfecting human beings, and creating a “new man” by psychic or scientific methods. Perfecting the race.
Lack of ethics. Any technology must be “okay” if it helps to build the kingdom on earth.
A definition of a technocrat can be found in an occult encyclopedia–

“One who leads or rules by virtue of special or technical knowledge. Hypothetically, a master of the ideal control-system of planetary management, someone who proposes to enforce technological supremacy. One who masters by technical skill and elite knowledge, especially when used to manipulate nature, rather than cocreate with it through devout imitation, in the manner of the alchemists.”
(The Seekers Handbook, p. 383)


The use of altered states of consciousness to reach higher spiritual levels for the purpose of achieving human deification or perfection.
The use of contemplation and meditation. hypnotic music, drumming, dance, pagan rituals and rites.
Guided imagery, visualization, active imagination, and other occult practices that connect with or invoke the divine.
Prayer marches, chantings and scripted prayers, fasting, mass prayer rallies, prayer circles, and prayer warfare methods which 1) introduce new kingdom doctrines, and 2) create altered states of consciousness.
The suggestion that there will be a collective moment of attaining “God’s dream” for humanity.
Numerology – assigning occult and spiritual significance to numbers or number sequences.
The belief that sexuality – either by denying it or practicing it in aberrant ways – will produce a heightened spirituality or closeness to God. An improper emphasis on “passion.”
The practice of pagan SEXUAL RITES to unite human with the divine, including using the “temple prostitute” as a mediatrix.

The idea that there are sacred places on earth, holier than other spots, that can be accessed and manipulated for spiritual purposes.
Prayer walks, labyrinths, and other meditative techniques that are located in sacred spaces.
The idea that there are spiritual powers and principalities over an area, and that they can be warred against. (There are no New Testament examples of the apostles using this method, but rather they preached the Word of God.)
Marching and claiming the land in order to gain ground for the “kingdom” on earth.The idea that certain spaces, architecture, geometrical figures, ratios or alignments have sacred significance. This includes circles, stadiums, and other structures or “alignments.” The idea that there are “territorial apostles” over regions and “spheres” (“mountains”) with kingdom assignments to take Dominion:“These apostles in the workplace are the ones that are going to come into the picture and with them we’ll be open these gates…. Because it takes a government to overthrow a government.

“Gate number one…, the gate of social transformation, the gate of social transformation.  Now we’ve tried a lot of these things, like I’ve just mentioned… marches for Jesus, prayer walking, identification, repentance… You know how long we’ve been doing this?  We’ve been doing this since 1990, since John Dawson’s book, Taking our Cities for God, first came out, this has gotten on our agenda, in 1990, fourteen years, we’ve been working on city transformation.  And I’m not talking about the mediocre leadership of the body of Christ, I’m talking about our best leadership has been into this.  And you know, we haven’t gotten a single city in America transformed in America yet….  And the missing link in this whole thing is recognizing and mobilizing and affirming and commissioning workplace apostles.  Because what we need is territorial apostles for this, and most territorial apostles will be workplace apostles, even though some nuclear church leaders, apostles, will be territorial apostles. (C. Peter Wagner, “Arise Prophetic Conference,” 2004)

17. COVENANTS, oaths, manifestos, declarations, decrees, pledges, etc.

Extra-biblical agreements, usually enforced by coercion or guilt, often based on O.T. Law.
A psychosocial contract that serves as a formal “joining up” process in which one aligns their life’s purpose to an organization’s purpose.
A rite of initiation.
The heretical belief that failure to “work for political and social reform to establish dominion over the world system is to break covenant with God.” (Dager, p. 205)
The faulty idea that if someone is “not politically active in working to establish Christ’s lordship over the whole earth [he] is guilty of breaking God’s covenant.” (Dager, p. 206)
The heresy that the “reign of Christ” will only be “realized through Christian civil leaders,” thus embracing the “concept of a CHURCH STATE” – as explained by a critic of Dominionism below:
“A premillennial understanding of prophecy is a major tenet that supports a SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE as well as RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. [But if] Christ is ruling now, in fulfillment of the millenial prophecies, through civil powers, then [the Dominionists believe] they have every right to institute Christian laws, for they themselves are under the rule of Christ, and verily ARE the rule of Christ. It is THIS understanding that undergirded Reformed thinking of the necessity for having National Covenants and binding religious oaths in order to COMPEL men to accept the true faith, so that the civil rule of Christ might be advanced. (Paul Shirk, Come Out From Among Them My People)

The idea that the Adamic Covenant, before the Fall, will be restored by obedience to O.T. law:
Many dominionists actually… assert that they will restore Paradise—that obedience to biblical law (ethics) can restore man to the pre-fall Adamic state. This is known as “progressive sanctification.” As man is sanctified through obedience to biblical law he will become immortal, the earth will be transformed: food will be plentiful, wild animals will become tame, diseases will no longer take their toll, and all nature will be in harmony. (Dager, p. 208)


 “Collective Consciousness” – the idea that there is a “fusion” when enough diverse spiritual energy collects together.
A form of “harmonic convergence” – the idea that by combining spiritual forces, God will be more likely to listen to prayer, or that only by praying en masse will He agree to shift things on earth. De-emphasis of private prayer closets.
Critical Mass – the psycho-social method of marketing in which once a new product or idea is embraced by enough people, it will shift the paradigm so that everyone buys in.
The idea that the Church is a key catalytic force in global transformation (spiritually, politically, commercially, governmentally, etc.)
Co-evolution, co-creation – the collaboration by humanity in the ongoing process of the evolution of creation, readying the planet for a coming “Christ.”
Synchronicity – the Jungian idea that seemingly unrelated coincidental events have a deeper mystical connection to bring about the kingdom.

The belief that America is a totally Christian nation under covenant with God like O.T. Israel.
The belief that restoring America to its status as a “Christian nation” will make society better.
The belief that by changing external civil laws that peoples’ hearts and lives will somehow be changed.
A shift in emphasis to changing politicians, laws, ethics, institutions, and culture rather than PREACHING the Gospel to lost sinners.
Christian activism is substituted for being “salt and light” by preaching the Gospel of Salvation.
“Standing in the gap” becomes political action.
Shades of revolution or civil disobedience.
A serious and fundamental lack of understanding about the biblical role of Church and State in the New Testament era.
Disallowing the freedom of conscience.

Heaven, and a heavenly inheritance for the faithful in Jesus Christ, is ignored or mocked. The focus shifts to a kingdom “inheritance” on earth, which changes prophecies about endtimes.
Belief in an utopian-sounding “endtime harvest” that is accompanied by an army of spiritual and/or physical warriors who enforce “God’s” totalitarian-sounding kingdom on earth.
Prophets and apostles purging the earth of resistance, eradicating “cancer” cells in the body, enacting death penalties for non-compliance to “kingdom” laws, and ruling with a rod of iron.
The belief that Armaggedon, the Great Tribulation and Judgment Daycan be bypassed, avoided, or explained away by allegory or myth.
The terribly erroneous belief that the sword in the New Testament is a literal, physical sword, instead of the two-edged sword that is the Word of God.
The frightfully mistaken belief that the Church is responsible to enact endtime judgment and crush all of the enemies of Christ.
Republished with permission from Discernment Newsletter, Volume 21, Number 6, Nov/Dec 2010.

28030  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: Please pray that Jesus will take away my nicotine cravings! on: December 21, 2010, 11:38:24 am
Col 3:1  If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2  Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3  For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4  When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

[Col 3:24  Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
28031  General Category / Fellowship / Re: The Loneliness of the Christian on: December 21, 2010, 09:32:38 am
i find it that i prefer to be alone actually. everytime i follow man i get disappointed. dr. scott is the only one so far that hasn't done something that has made me run away. though i know no one is perfect.

The big problem is that even some supposedly good Christians say stuff like, "But times have changed". For example, I tried convincing a couple of people recently how Constantine used astrology to come up with Easter, xmas, and other pagan holidays, and pointed out scripture to them saying how astrology is condemned in the bible. And their response was just that, "But times have changed".

For one, astrology is rooted in witchcraft, which the bible too condemns. And 2, God Word NEVER changes, so why would something evil now be "good" all of a sudden? Haven't they read the book of Daniel, where the astrologers et al couldn't do a darn thing to interpret Nebechenezzer's vision, and they were not taken seriously because of this? And if they want to use this logic how times have changed, so I guess that makes Harry Potter and Twilight "harmless", right?

Another downfall of today's "church" is that they just aren't being decent Boreans and searching out the scriptures and doing the research themselves to start with. The fact that "Easter" falls on a DIFFERENT DATE each year should be a RED FLAG right there - if Jesus did indeed died on Easter day, then why the heck is it on a DIFFERENT day? Shouldn't this be common sense? And same goes for xmas as well - if this is really a Christian holy day, then why is the world celebrating it?
28032  General Category / False Religions / Re: New Wicked Movies Aimed At Youth on: December 21, 2010, 07:59:03 am
You can't deny that today's "church" at least bears some responsibility. No, I'm not saying I myself is a super-duper Christian, because for years and years before I got saved, I dabbled into all this nonsense.

But overall, today's "church" just doesn't have any answer to this. They either think speaking out against this somehow hurts their witness of the gospel to others, in other cases they're paying more attention to building memberships and buildings in their churches, the fruit of using perverted bibles has taken its toll, or whatever.

And it's also come to a point now where all this wickedness in movies is presented as "harmless". When I grew up as a kid in the 1980's, alot of this was pretty obvious. However, over the last decade, it's gotten more subtle.
28033  General Category / End Times / Re: "Christian ministries" attacking Paul?? on: December 21, 2010, 07:53:29 am
Thanks Dok, not that I believed this site word for word, but it distressed me a bit when I saw it, and wanted to make sure from you guys.

Yes, while I won't name the poster at PPF who pm'd me this, this person said that the KJV is Catholic(and also said persecutions against believers during the Protestant Reformation was also committed by King James), among other things.

Again, I won't name the poster, but through a short conversation I had with this person via pm there, this person said all this.

I don't want to endorse the NIV here, but at least THIS perverted version does a halfway decent job in portraying Paul in a good light.
28034  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: Please pray that Jesus will take away my nicotine cravings! on: December 20, 2010, 10:48:01 pm
James 1:12  Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Sadly, you don't hear this being preached in today's "church".
28035  General Category / Who's in my region? / Introductions / Re: Oregon on: December 20, 2010, 06:23:12 pm
Hey, I live in SW Washington in Battle Ground and have a friend in Newberg, Or. We meet and study together as much as possible because we live in the least churched area in the U.S. I would love to study the King James Bible with you and anyone else that is lead to.   

Don't let this get you down - I'm from Texas, and even though supposedly this state is the most Christian of all the states, this is WAY over-blown because there are ALOT of (seeker-sensitive)megachurches. Heck, even alot of the First Baptists have been hijacked by Purpose Driven and Bill Hybels' Willow Creek Assoc(among other Emergent philosophies).

So either way, whether there's few churches, or many churches that are under bondage, it's no different.

Gal 4:9  But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
28036  General Category / Prayer Requests / Re: Please pray that Jesus will take away my nicotine cravings! on: December 20, 2010, 06:18:57 pm
Rom 12:15  Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
Rom 12:16  Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

28037  General Category / End Times / Re: Mother cuts out heart of daughter, 4, as she listens to recording of Koran on: December 20, 2010, 04:16:09 pm
I wonder what Rick Warren has to say about this!
28038  General Category / End Times / "Christian ministries" attacking Paul?? on: December 20, 2010, 03:57:41 pm

Could you guys at least gleam through this and tell me what you think?

Why in the world are some "Christian ministries" attacking Paul??
28039  General Category / Audio Section, Scott Johnson, Bryan Denlinger, others... / Re: End Time Current Events: 12-19-10 on: December 20, 2010, 02:16:26 pm
FYI - despite the defeat of the S.510 bill last week, the Senate somehow was able to ram it through last night.
28040  General Category / Audio Section, Scott Johnson, Bryan Denlinger, others... / Re: An Awesome Miracle and My Mom’s Conversion & Passing on: December 20, 2010, 08:15:01 am
"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:1-2).

I really enjoyed listening to these testimonies, i think it is right to balance hearing uplifting things with hearings of the bad side of things. We as Christians need some beautiful moments. When the early Christians were persecuted bad they then had the extreme joy of seeing many come to Jesus Christ with new Churches in new places. I want my relatives that are unsaved to be saved. I pray for them to be saved. I also want as many spiritual rewards as i can get when i get to Heaven. That would be setting my affection on things above.

Yep - William Tyndale got burned at the stake, HOWEVER, what he did ended up paving the way for the 1611 King James Bible. Tyndale was a true born again, and his fruit over the long haul really showed.

Too bad all these seeker-sensitive mega churches preach messages appealing to the flesh, and what we can do to seek things on this earth.
28041  General Category / End Times / Re: 2010 WORLD GONE WILD: QUAKES, FLOODS, BLIZZARDS... on: December 20, 2010, 08:12:01 am
It's been a quietly loud 2010.

What I mean by "quietly" is that alot of calamities have happened, but it's done so right under everyone's noses without anyone noticing, pretty much. It's as if America is too pre-occupied with all the "goodies" TPTB has thrown at them. I tell you - fast food, 24/7 cable tv with Digitial installed, etc has made everyone spiritually drunk.
28042  General Category / Audio Section, Scott Johnson, Bryan Denlinger, others... / Re: End Time Current Events: 12-12-10 on: December 20, 2010, 08:10:04 am

Umm, that is one creepy website.

Highlight over the options and watch his face transform. The Dragon on the right looks wicked. Also does this guy look like Prince Harry?

TPTB has done one heck of a job brainwashing kids via cartoons et al with all their draconian agendas/subliminal satanic messages.

I was that Disney movie "Wall-E" a couple of years ago with my niece, as "innocent" as it looked, I was horrified with all the "green agenda"/mind-control enslavement draconian stuff they put throughout it. One thing that really caught my attention in it was how they spoiled all the abducted humans in their spaceships with delicious fast-food and 24/7 mind control entertainment(and doing so without firing a shot at them). Couldn't help but think this is what the masses are being sucked into nowdays.
28043  General Category / Audio Section, Scott Johnson, Bryan Denlinger, others... / Re: An Awesome Miracle and My Mom’s Conversion & Passing on: December 18, 2010, 09:32:32 pm
I was unsaved before my grandma died in 2001, but my cousins(who are about a generation or so younger than me) witnessed to her, and the next thing we know she was reading her bible most of the day.

Throughout my entire lifetime when I would visit her, she was one of the more ungodly persons I've known - but once my cousins witnessed to her, I noticed changes in her until her death. My grandad is a different story though - pretty stubborn until the end, although he died in his sleep.

Yeah, for the most part, alot of my family is unsaved. Pretty much most of my mom's sisters(although my mom's mom was a fervent Christian), and alot of people on my dad's side as well.

Jesus did say that he doesn't bring peace to the earth, nor in families, but a sword. And if we want to be his disciple, we have to forsake all, take up our(or his, forget which) cross, and follow him, and serve him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength.

If anything, regardless of our situations with our families, we need to be thankful that we are SAVED. If Jesus' 2nd Coming happened in the 1990's, to this day, I would be burning in the lake of fire. I was INCREDIBLY wretched and nasty back then.
28044  General Category / New-Age / Re: David Icke Debunked ( New 2.5 hour documentary) on: December 18, 2010, 09:27:18 pm
that was really long, i was more interested in the ending on how new agers are actually 'channeling' demons, which i came to believe only recently. even before i was never convinced of icke. he seemed a bit off. funny how several new agers are against Christianity and Jesus. I found that very common when I was into the new age. They never seemed to attack other beliefs as vehemently as they do Christianity.

Even worse is that New Agers do NOT realize that they are worshipping lucifer - they ram this doctrine in our public schools, in our "kids" programs whether tv or Disney, etc. And alot of our pseudo-evangelical leaders like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels have somehow managed to mix Christian doctrine with New Age doctrine.

For the most part, no, not every New Ager is part of the Illuminati(although pretty much all of the leaders are), because they've been brainwashed in our public schools, television, and over the last decade in our churches with this whole Purpose Driven/Willow Creek Assoc/Emergent nonsense infiltrating them(ie-now seminary professors over the last year or so have these Emergent philosophies largely because since they were young, they were raised in churches with these philosophies).
28045  General Category / End Times / Re: Solstice-eclipse overlap first in 456 years on: December 18, 2010, 08:26:08 pm
FYI-I asked Scott about this, and he replied to me this...

Wow, the occultists are going to go ape over this. They do very little without relying on events like this. The fact that this falls on one of the most high Satanic Holydays (winter solstice) is very important.  I will inform my listeners of this regarding praying against whatever wickedness would be purposed for that day. God bless!
28046  General Category / End Times / Solstice-eclipse overlap first in 456 years on: December 18, 2010, 07:27:01 pm
Interesting - supposedly, there will be a galactic alignment of the sun, moon, earth, and galaxy on this day.


OTTAWA — This year's winter solstice — an event that will occur next Tuesday — will coincide with a full lunar eclipse in a union that hasn't been seen in 456 years.

The celestial eccentricity holds special significance for spiritualities that tap into the energy of the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year and a time that is associated with the rebirth of the sun.

"It's a ritual of transformation from darkness into light," says Nicole Cooper, a high priestess at Toronto's Wiccan Church of Canada. "It's the idea that when things seem really bleak, (it) is often our biggest opportunity for personal transformation.

"The idea that the sun and the moon are almost at their darkest at this point in time really only further goes to hammer that home."

Cooper said Wiccans also see great significance in the unique coupling of the masculine energy of the sun and the feminine energy of the moon — transformative energies that she plans to incorporate into the church's winter-solstice rituals.

Since the last time an eclipse and the winter solstice happened simultaneously was just under five centuries years ago, Cooper said she wasn't familiar with any superstitions or mythologies associated with it.

Instead, she said, they can only be interpreted personally.

"Wiccans don't think of things as being good or evil — they just are. Our experience of them makes them positive or negative for us."

The winter solstice also played an important role in Greco-Roman rituals.

"It's seen as a time of rebirth or renewal because, astrologically, it's a time where the light comes back," said Shane Hawkins, a professor of Greek and Roman studies at Carleton University in Ottawa.

For the ancient Romans, it was also a time of great feasting and debauchery.

"If (the eclipse) happened on the 21st, they might well have been drunk," he said.

A lunar eclipse taking place during the solstice is not an event Hawkins has seen in research, but he said it would have been viewed as something special.

"Eclipses could be taken either way," he said. "Certainly it would have been an omen, but it would have been up to the interpretation of specialists of whether it was good or bad."

And that interpretation would likely be based on whatever was happening at the time.

The last time the two celestial events happened at the same time was in AD 1554, according to NASA.

An otherwise seemingly unexceptionable year in recorded history, the darkened moon happened during a bleak year for Tudor England.

Lady Jane Grey was beheaded for treason that year, while Princess Elizabeth was imprisoned in the Tower of London. Mary of Guise — the mother of Mary, Queen of Scots — became regent of Scotland.

Scientifically, however, it's just a coincidence of natural cycles.

"It's quite rare, but there's no profound significance. It's luck of the draw; you got dealt four aces," said Robert Dick, an astronomy instructor at Carleton.

The eclipse will start just after midnight Eastern Time on Tuesday, with the main event starting at 1:30 a.m. ET and lasting until 5:30 a.m., when the moon reappears.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Solstice+eclipse+overlap+first+years/3983582/story.html#ixzz18W53cOLz
28047  General Category / Audio Section, Scott Johnson, Bryan Denlinger, others... / Re: An Awesome Miracle and My Mom’s Conversion & Passing on: December 17, 2010, 10:05:48 pm
Agreed! Listened to it this morning-excellent testimony!
28048  General Category / End Times / Re: Harry Potter- from a Christian Perspective on: December 15, 2010, 02:50:55 pm

This is the big problem with today's "church" - it's as if once you're saved, just as long as you don't commit the huge sins and are on good behavior, attend church every week, and give your tithe, then everything will be ok, and the Harry Potters, Twiglight's, etc, etc of this world won't have any affect on you.

Can't tell you how many times I've gotten into arguments with family members over this evolution lie in our schools, museums, etc - I told them how an abomination it is for the public school systems to indoctrinate our youths with this Satanic lie. And I've made it clear that they teach it as FACT, and not this "both sides perspective". And I end up getting an earful from them saying how I'm too judgemental and narrow minded(and to boot, they end up quoting some pastor on TBN saying how Christians should be open to evolution). And for that matter too, I told them how Constantine used astrology and other witchcraft methods to deceive the world into thinking easter, xmas, etc are "christian" holidays(and showed them scripture saying how astrology is condemned). Their response, "But times have changed now".

Bottom line, God's Word never changes, no ifs, ands, or buts. Today's "church" has taken their feet completely off the gas pedal and has this mentality that just because they're "saved", God wouldn't mind if they ignored just a few of his laws.
28049  General Category / Member's videos / Re: The Final Countdown on: December 15, 2010, 11:02:15 am
A very good series


Yes indeed it is!
28050  General Category / End Times / Re: 3 Very Large Objects In Space Flying To Earth on: December 13, 2010, 06:25:59 pm
It will happen when God allows the final seconds to tick down - forget 2012. God's ways and thoughts are not our's - it could happen tomorrow, next month...heck, it could very well happen in Dec 2012, and maitreya or whoever could say, "See? We told you so!".
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