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August 08, 2018, 02:38:10 am suzytr says: Hello, any good churches in the Sacto, CA area, also looking in Reno NV, thanks in advance and God Bless you Smiley
January 29, 2018, 01:21:57 am Christian40 says: It will be interesting to see what happens this year Israel being 70 years as a modern nation may 14 2018
October 17, 2017, 01:25:20 am Christian40 says: It is good to type Mark is here again!  Smiley
October 16, 2017, 03:28:18 am Christian40 says: anyone else thinking that time is accelerating now? it seems im doing days in shorter time now is time being affected in some way?
September 24, 2017, 10:45:16 pm Psalm 51:17 says: The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
September 20, 2017, 04:32:32 am Christian40 says: "The most popular Hepatitis B vaccine is nothing short of a witch’s brew including aluminum, formaldehyde, yeast, amino acids, and soy. Aluminum is a known neurotoxin that destroys cellular metabolism and function. Hundreds of studies link to the ravaging effects of aluminum. The other proteins and formaldehyde serve to activate the immune system and open up the blood-brain barrier. This is NOT a good thing."
September 19, 2017, 03:59:21 am Christian40 says: bbc international did a video about there street preaching they are good witnesses
September 14, 2017, 08:06:04 am Psalm 51:17 says: bro Mark Hunter on YT has some good, edifying stuff too.
September 14, 2017, 04:31:26 am Christian40 says: i have thought that i'm reaping from past sins then my life has been impacted in ways from having non believers in my ancestry.
September 11, 2017, 06:59:33 am Psalm 51:17 says: The law of reaping and sowing. It's amazing how God's mercy and longsuffering has hovered over America so long. (ie, the infrastructure is very bad here b/c for many years, they were grossly underspent on. 1st Tim 6:10, the god of materialism has its roots firmly in the West) And remember once upon a time ago when shacking up b/w straight couples drew shock awe?

Exodus 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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1  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: October 02, 2014, 06:44:11 am
Deuteronomy 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Romans 12:19   Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Hebrews 10:30    For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

i think that vengeance belongs to the Lord, He punishes people however He wants, some cases are more severe than others, to be honest i dont think in my mind that this person deserves this or that person deserves that, i just think whatever the Lord wants to do with them, im glad that i dont have to punish people for wrongdoings against me because i would probably make the wrong judgment, some people need to be offended or humbled before they acknowledge their spiritual position.

Agreed, and I believe that to turn it over to God in your heart you have to trust Him and be satisfied that He will do what He wills. Which could mean no vengeance on your enemies. If somebody has issues with that then in my view, they have business of their own they need to do with God.

God wants to be merciful and to line up with His will then we have to want Him to be merciful. Not just say so but mean it in our hearts.
2  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: October 01, 2014, 01:22:02 pm
When you say this, do you mean that God should restrain vengeance (eye for an eye)? Or that He should restrain blessings? Or both?

This is an open question to the forum. I'd like to see what everyone thinks about this.

My first inclination would be to say both. LOL! But I meant vengeance.
3  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: October 01, 2014, 06:49:31 am
Not a vision. More like a long term conversation or impression. When I read about those bowls of wrath in Revelation, (KJB renders them “vials” in the English) it occured to me that that’s where those prayers were going. I was faced with the question of whether or not I wanted to add to that. This was all in the context of whether I wanted mercy or justice/vengeance.

Now I remember. My lament at the time was less about world injustice and more about vengeance for my past traumas. Just being honest with Him at the time.

I’ve spoken to people that claim to have had visions, like a movie screen that pops up in front of their face. Can’t say I’ve ever had that happen.

Edit: @BA2 - Ya. All the churches with a physical address are infiltrated and compromised IMO. But I can still occasionally find some people within those organizations that are helpful. I can also find people that are a hindrance there. It's a mix. Other than that, it's just a big social club to me at this point.

I`ve longed believed that the incense prayers of Revelation 8 are the unanswered prayers of those who suffer the great tribulation. But it could be a tie in with Revelation 6:10 in which case they are prayers of all martyred saints.

To relate to your issue, the Lord is our avenger and we have to give it all over to Him to do what He wants with it. I`ve done that and it has left me with a desire for God to restrain His hand from those who have wronged me.
4  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: October 01, 2014, 06:37:50 am
Good post.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

If anything with these false ministries is that they are "highly esteemed among men" eg Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer both of them i have heard women say how great they are and how they have "helped them" in their "christian walk" and their ministries are worldwide and they make millions of it yet they are an "abomination in the sight of God."

Me personally, I can`t handle TBN and I can`t respect ministers who live a high end lifestyle. No point in my talking about their doctrine because I see no end to the criticism I would end up throwing at them. It would be a full time job that would leave me with no time or room for anything else.

In spite of all that, my prayer is for God to be as merciful as He is able to be and to redeem as many as He can. I know in my heart that Apostate Christianity will soon be destroyed by this world and many of those souls will not understand what and why it happens.
5  General Category / Hollywood / Re: Left Behind to Return to Theaters on: September 30, 2014, 11:11:20 pm
‘Left Behind’ coming to a theater — and maybe a seminary — near you

The end is near, both in movie theaters and Southern Baptist seminary classrooms.


With Nicholas Cage starring in the rapture-themed thriller Left Behind coming out in theaters Oct. 3, two Southern Baptist Convention seminaries recently announced endowed professorships with an emphasis including Bible prophecy.

Both Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, announced large gifts to endow the Jesse Hendley Chair of Biblical Theology.

The professorships are named after an evangelist and student of New Testament Greek best known as host of the “The Radio Evangelistic Hour,” which began in 1931 and continued until his death in 1994 at the age of 87.

There is no indication that the announcements by the seminaries and the premiere of the Left Behind remake are connected. Still, observers expect the box-office release of the apocalyptic thriller to ramp up popular interest in “eschatology,” the branch of Christian theology concerned with the study of “last things” in Scripture.

Southeastern Seminary sponsored a Day of Prophecy Sept. 4, presenting the pre-millennial theology the Jesse David Hendley Foundation was established in part to defend.

Ed Hindson, a Liberty University professor who serves as president of World Prophetic Ministry and Bible teacher on “The King is Coming” telecast, opened the conference with a chapel sermon titled “Can We Still Believe in the Rapture?”

“Virtually every Christian denomination on the planet has somewhere in its doctrine, theological statement or affirmation a belief in the Second Coming of Christ,” said Hindson, chairman of the Hendley Foundation board and author of numerous books on Bible prophecy. “The whole point of the Ascension was ‘I will return.’”

Hindson said differences occur over how to interpret various Bible passages that refer to Jesus’ Second Coming. With the exception of preachers like him who hold a view of a pre-tribulation rapture, he said, many today behave as if the Rapture will never come, a view he says doesn’t take seriously passages like First Thessalonians Chapter 4.

Seminary President Daniel Akin introduced Hindson, saying that while Southeastern is a “confessional” institution, the Baptist Faith and Message is written broadly enough to accommodate a variety of views on the Second Coming.

Akin said the pre-millennial, pre-tribulation Rapture is the view most commonly held by Southern Baptists in the pew and nearly every SBC president since 1979, but prior to the “conservative resurgence,” it was viewed with disdain by faculty at the six SBC seminaries.

Hindson revisited Akin’s point to note the “pre-trib” Rapture it is also the preferred view of “some very significant pastors” like Chuck Swindoll, David Jeremiah, Ronnie Floyd, Charles Stanley and Johnny Hunt and scholars including Southwestern President Paige Patterson and “our beloved Dr. Akin.”

“Why in the world do those guys actually believe this?” he asked.

The afternoon schedule included a lecture by William Watson, a professor of history at Colorado Christian University, examining views on the Rapture expressed prior to John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher regarded as the “father of dispensationalism,” an end-times theory he developed in the 1830s popularized in the 20th century by footnotes in the widely circulated Scofield Reference Bible.

After that came a lecture by Moody Bible Institute professor Michael Rydelnik on “Israel, the Church, and the Tribulation.” Then followed a panel discussion, with a final presentation Thursday night on “The Rapture and the Day of the Lord” by Craig Blaising, executive vice president and provost at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and the first professor there to occupy the Hendley Chair. Southwestern Seminary explored similar themes in chapel messages Aug. 26, 27 and 28.

Hindson said the purpose of Bible prophecy is not to frighten Christians, but rather to prepare them for the Lord’s return by holy living and sharing the gospel. As to when that may occur, Hindson said nobody knows, but world events including unrest in the Middle East, the rise of a global economy and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction suggest a date sooner rather than later.

“How much time do we have left?” he asked. “I don’t know. I can’t tell you if you’ve got five minutes, five years, 50 years, but I don’t think the human race has 500 years.’

“Given the depravity of the human heart, the proclivity toward destruction, the potential of the weapons of mass destruction that are at our disposal, it’s only a matter of time before somebody uses them,” Hindson said. “So that alone ought to tell us that no matter what your view is, you’re getting closer and closer to the time when he will come.”

**But you don't mention the sodomy agenda exploding like wildfire now? Oh wait...there are SBC churches that have a transgender pastor, performing sodomite weddings, and another that endorse sodomy marriage...

Stoney Lake Entertainment recently released the official trailer of Left Behind: The End Begins, with Nicholas Cage reprising the role of Kirk Cameron in a Christian-based version of the film in 2000 based on a best-selling series of novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins.

The blockbuster version is expected to be far different from the straight-to-DVD release 14 years ago, but the filmmakers predict Christian audiences will be pleased with the “clarity” with which it presents the Rapture.

It will join a string of religion-based films coming recently out of Hollywood, and it isn’t the first to focus on the Rapture. An HBO series, The Leftovers, follows the residents of a fictional town after 2 percent of the world’s population has inexplicably disappeared.


Hellywood is doing all they can to not only discredit the rapture, but are conditioning the masses to prepare for the time when these "mass disappearances" happen.

Are you saying you don`t believe in pre trib rapture?   Shocked
6  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 30, 2014, 11:08:30 pm
Are you saying you had a vision?
7  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 30, 2014, 04:04:56 pm
Those outside influences are legion. They can be quite elaborate and convincing.

I did the same thing with “love”. Threw out all my conditioned responses and preconceived notions. Dared to ask the question, “What if I’ve been lied to my entire life about this?”

Then I looked into an honest assessment of what scriptures say that is, of what God says that is. Forget about what I think for a moment.

What I found was most revealing as to who He is and how He operates. It allowed me to distinguish between things of God and things not of God. And it further gave me a path, a direction to proceed with my life. Still a work in progress.

Yes, that`s good. I think this life is meant to always be a work in progress.
8  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 30, 2014, 04:02:00 pm
I was once in Jackie’s position. I had just discovered the passage about “the unpardonable sin” and the demons were having a field day with me. “Ooh, you’ve done it now. No hope for you. You can kiss that salvation goodbye! Might as well stick with us because God may or may not have just rejected you!”

Well, I was so distressed that I had to drop everything go to a brother’s house immediately to get this straight. I didn’t even want to know what the unpardonable sin was for fear that I might be tempted to do it. After I told him what was happening to me, he said, “Oh, that old trick. If you had committed the unpardonable sin, you wouldn’t be standing here worried about it.”

It then occurred to me what that was. The key word in Hebrews 10:26 is “willfully”.

I believe God is fair and just. If somebody knows full well who the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit is and what they have to offer, then decides repeatedly to reject that in favor of knowingly being a child of Satan, with all the consequences thereof, then I believe God, specifically the Holy Spirit, will eventually honor that free-will decision and withdraw completely from that person.

There are some that walk the earth like this. They are favored by the world, and able to commit the most heinous sins while sleeping just fine at night and fully believing without a shadow of a doubt whatever Satan and his demons tell them. There is no conscience whatsoever to be found within these people. The world describes them as psychopaths and sociopaths. They become quite brilliant and intelligent, yet insane. Just like their father.

A classic example of God’s grace is the necessity of the cremation of care ceremony at the Bohemian Grove. The participants have to repeatedly tell God to go away. Yet He still makes the offer to them.

I can see where you are coming from on that and there is truth in what you are saying. But I think in our time it`s easy to get hung up on the term "willful". Sins are nearly always committed willfully and people always know so in their hearts which is why these passages can be very troubling. The culture of the early church was different then ours. In the early church the brethren would confront you and even call you out in church if they found out you were sinning. They didn`t overlook it like we do today.

In the context of those passages the willful sinning resulted in a complete departure from the faith and a rejection of it. The example given is a person who despised the Law of Moses. So I believe in those days the sinning was a much deeper rejection of Christ then it is among us.

I think noting this difference is important because I believe there is always hope for a backslider as long as they still believe in Jesus. I think it`s a error to use these passages to take away that hope and there are some who do that.

My view on these passages affirms what the passages say and at the same time reconciles them with the doctrine of God`s chastisement, and the doctrine of God`s forgiveness of confessed sin found in the epistles of John.

9  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 30, 2014, 03:20:46 pm
Ooh. That’s a critical and most excellent point.

The devil and those in his camp KNOW scripture the same as one would thoroughly know the contents of a legal textbook. But they have chosen long ago to disconnect completely from the source of all life. As such, they cannot discern the motive or intent behind what is written.

Occultists do use the Bible. But it’s for a different reason that God has intended.

I believe any outside influence affects your ability to understand the scriptures. Paul said the things of God must be spiritually discerned. A long time ago I began working at leaving behind all my preconceived ideas and beliefs. Things like church creeds, American ideals, my own opinion on how I think things should be. My goal was to become an open vessel to Gods word without any internal beliefs of mine getting in the way and I believe my effort to do that has paid off over the years. What I believe now is different in a lot of ways then what it was 20 or 30 years ago.
10  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 30, 2014, 03:09:35 pm
People struggle with the same thing concerning medical issues. Will God heal me miraculously? Will He work through the doctors and nurses? Or is it time for me to have such an affliction or even to die?

As a bystander, I’ve seen things go all these ways for people. In what we view as an extreme in the latter, I have to trust that He has a higher purpose. I’ve had an experience where He partially used somebody else’s untimely death to affect deep changes within my heart. It was a discipline issue. There were some flaws in my attitude that He needed to correct in a way that would garner my full attention. Can’t say what He was doing with everybody else. What is the state of everyone’s heart around me, state of my own heart, reality of circumstances around me vs. what it seems to be, the ripple effect of one event now on future events and lives? All these things are interconnected. So many variables that I am not privy to. Nor do I want the burden and therefore the responsibility of knowing.

If I can look back at any point in my life and honestly be able to say that I did the best I could with what I had at the time and what I knew at the time, then I can forgive myself. This includes the days back when I was stepping all over His grace and taking it for granted, or not even recognizing it at all. And, realizing this, I can forgive others as well.

On the other hand, I’ve seen spikes in my finances in such an uncanny manner that I recognized that it would be needed. In my case, it was for a future wife and child that He was about to give me. This has been one of the greatest, most wonderful blessings that He has ever done for me. At this time, I may not be wealthy. But my life is fulfilled in ways that I could have never imagined. He has put meaning and purpose in my life – a beautiful reason to be here based on love. Other than that, to be honest, I have no desire to be on this earth.

I can relate to all that. More then you know.  I think you are looking at life in the right way with the right heart.
11  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 30, 2014, 08:20:16 am

Years ago, I had enough savings to stock up on supplies and did so. In my case, the money got tighter and tighter as the supplies were used up. Now, my pantry is what it is. Some of the leftover emergency supplies are quite old now. Financially, I’m running on empty.

This comment of yours is something that keeps returning to my mind. In my own situation my finances are deteriorating but I know I am better off then many are. At the present time anyways. In the end I think it`s my answer for whatever amount of prepping I may or may not do. I have a conviction that it is the thing to do at this hour but in my heart I feel it futile and I almost see it as a weakness in faith. But yet I know often times God would have us do what is sensible and prudent.

If true calamity struck the country I think my faith would compel me to pool whatever supplies I had with other brethren who likely wouldn`t have much. And that`s assuming of course somebody didn`t come along to take it from me by force which is a real possibility.

I appreciate the conversation brother and my thoughts are with you in your difficulty.
12  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Literal versus Spiritual on: September 30, 2014, 06:53:27 am
Yeah, was pointing out that the verse in Romans 10:9 says God raised Jesus from the dead.

No, I don't understand every aspect of scripture(far from it, actually), and never will while I'm in this flesh(which dwelleth no good thing), but Romans 10:9 specifically says God raised Jesus from the dead.

Input from everyone else? Huh

Scriptures such as Romans 10:9 are speaking of God in his entirety -----> all three as One being. The only One of the three who is called God in this manner is the Father.

God the Father in scripture is declared to be a Spirit and One that no man had ever seen. In addition Jesus stated that the Father performed all of the works and was inside of His physical body.
In the old testament there is a verse that indicates the Father performs the resurrection so to me the who is a non-issue.

Whats interesting about all these facts is that in the Old Testament God was seen by some people (i.e. Adam and Eve saw Him, Abraham saw Him, Moses saw Him etc. etc.)

These God sightings could not have been the Father since no man has seen the Father. Many scriptures prove it and I`m not going to start on them right now but Jesus Christ was, is, always has been the Theophany of God. That`s why Jesus stated that He came forth from the Father and that he carried the Father within his body.

As to the other issue, the Bible says "The Word became flesh" so yes, Jesus was fully man. He has been a man twice. The first time He was called Melchizedek.
13  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 30, 2014, 06:17:06 am
Notice it says study to shew thyself approved unto God and not to fellow believers again it is important to please God and not man.

Absolutely. And I believe motive makes a huge difference.  Reality is, I`m not that smart although I have been at times in the past accused of thinking that I am because of the way I present things. My motive and desire in studying scripture has always been driven by a deep curiosity to know what God thinks about things and to learn secrets of the scriptures. I believe that out of that I have been blessed with a portion of Spirit given insight and revelation that has allowed me to advance beyond what my intellectual capability is. Left to my own efforts I know in my heart that I wouldn`t get very far and in many things would not be capable of understanding the deeper things of God.

I believe that knowing and understanding truth from the scriptures is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Without that I think it impossible to understand the gospel.
14  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 29, 2014, 11:38:51 pm
Paul gave two principles for understanding the Bible.

First is.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Second is.

2 Timothy 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Paul tells us that all scriptures can enrich us as doctrines, to criticize and correct us and to instruct us in righteousness. But we must correctly divide them. To me that means understanding the ages/dispensations, the various covenants of God, and who scriptures are addressing.

While it is true that the scriptures are addressing all of us, they were also directed to people living at the time the scriptures were given.

In the case of the book of Hebrews, can you guess who it is addressing? LOL!

Israel in the first century is almost comparable to modern Islamic religious state. It was dangerous and costly in many way to believe in Jesus. Also, the Hebrew believers had lived during the time of Christ, They seen Him, heard Him, many of them witnessed His miracles and in my opinion they had a greater responsibility to strongly believe then you and I today.

When somebody fell away from that body of believers they didn`t stop being religious. What they did was renounce Christ and return to the Hebrew religion of the time. Some if not many of them renounced their faith knowing in their heart that Jesus is the Christ.

This is the type of falling away the writer of Hebrews is condemning.

The only thing in our culture I know of to compare it to would be a Christian who became agnostic or atheist. I would not go as far to condemn such people but I`m not under the kind of pressure those Hebrews were under either.

The issue seen in Hebrews in 6 and 10 is not a matter of someone straying from Jesus. It was more serious then that which is the point I`m trying to make.
Even so I cannot see much hope for them. I`ve dealt with some and they are dry twigs with no life in them.
15  General Category / Gospel of Jesus Christ / Re: Once saved always saved (OSAS) on: September 29, 2014, 08:42:46 pm
Hebrews 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

No, this passage does NOT mean a Christian can lose his or her salvation if they fall away into sin - just think about it(and here's a couple of examples)...

1) Let's say a professing born-again believer is seen by his unbelieving neighbors, co-workers, etc walking into a movie theater to watch a movie with alot of violence, blasphemy, and foul language. Didn't he or she ruin their own testimony and put the Son of God unto open shame?

2) Rick Warren I don't think is a saved man - but nonetheless - a couple of years ago(for example), he asked his congregation at his church for $1m in 72 hours b/c (supposedly)they were under-budget that much. But guess what happened subsequently - even the UNBELIEVING world was able to discern this wickedness(while professing Christians just stood down and acted like he did the right thing). So what did they do? They put the Son of God to an open shame(which Warren himself provoked, to say the least!).

Ultimately, our lives as born-again believers are for Jesus Christ. We don't lose our salvation, but ultimately we have to give an account to the Lord Jesus Christ at the judgment seat of Christ for everything we said and did.

2Corinthians 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11  Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

How about this one. Same topic. From Hebrews 10.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

What do we do with these?  Deny it?  Say the book of Hebrews is wrong? Contradict it?

I`ve dealt with a few people who were struggling with these passages before. It been my experience that the above excuses will not satisfy the concern and doubt.

Then there are others who use these passage to argue that people who are really saved do not sin and that since you acknowledge that you sin then you are not saved.
And they have put you are in a position in which you will deny what the scriptures say.

I have to get off my pc for awhile now. LOL!  Sorry about that. But when I come back I`ll share my position on these passages and how I think they must be reconciled with the rest of the gospel.
16  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: Aliens the Bible connection. on: September 29, 2014, 03:14:03 am
yah, we here do not believe in aliens from other worlds. Its all demonic, even the big names in the field eventually realized this. Well not so much demonic but definitely extra dimensional. Keel and Vallée were definitely behind the extra dimensional theory other than the nuts and bolts.

I`ve thought it interesting the last couple of years to see more and more secular witnesses come out and say they are extra dimensional.
17  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 28, 2014, 10:02:23 pm
99% of churches in America are 501c3 - meaning that they made this deal with the IRS - in exchange for allowing donation write-offs on their 1040s, they have to abide by IRS laws(ie-can't endorse political candidates, can't speak out on anything that the government's laws allows like abortion/sodomy/gambling, etc).

As a result, they're not able to preach the whole council of God - this is largely why churches in America are so Apostate.

If/when Martial Law in America hits - they'll be in line with Caesar, alot like what churches in Nazi Germany did.

I believe all Christianity right or wrong, good or bad will come under vicious assault in the great tribulation. Everyone in the same boat facing the same calamities.
18  General Category / Bible Study / The Stones of Fire on: September 28, 2014, 09:54:32 pm
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

The verses above from Ezekiel 28, pertain to the King of Tyre, and they are thought to be reference to Satan and correctly so in my opinion. Those who believe Satan fell after man was created will cite verse 13 as their proof and this verse is definitely the best point in that argument. Personally I am not convinced that the Eden mentioned is Adam`s Eden but that cannot be proven conclusively.   

It is interesting in verse 16 to see that Satan has a multitude of merchandise, in connection with the book of Jude which states that the angels have a habitation and an estate. To me this establishes that angels have what we would call a civilization. It should not be a surprise in my view if they are shown to build cities and collect riches.

As a sidebar point to another thread: It says God will cast Satan out. If so who is doing the casting? If we believe Jesus is the Lord of Hosts then Jesus will be the One who gets up off the throne and casts Satan out.
If Jesus is beholding Satan fall like lightening then He is by implication in an eyewitness role, on the earth, as a man, watching God cast Satan out. So again my argument is that in Luke 10, this event is taking place at that time. Furthermore, I think this establishes a distinction between God casting Satan Himself and the angelic war that results in Satan's expulsion from heaven in the book of Revelation. In my opinion Ezekiel 28, Luke 10 and the war  in Revelation are 3 different occurrences in which Satan is cast out of heaven.

However the topic of this thread is the stones of fire. They are only mentioned this one time in scripture and the Bible doesn`t say what the stones of fire are. But I firmly believe that the Bible accurately interprets itself and often. I see one clue. It says that Satan walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. The same activity is seen in the book of Job as Satan tells God he is walking up and down in the earth.

A planet can be thought of as a stone with fire on the inside and my best theory for the stones of fire is that they are planets. This implies angelic activity on other planets in our solar system.

If anyone has any alternative explanations for the stones of fire, I would be interested in your opinion about them.
19  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: The Book of Enoch and the Watchers on: September 28, 2014, 09:12:09 pm
From what I understand, the whole gap theory was the linchpin that opened the doors to this evolution deception.

The gap theory is a very old idea. How ever it has been used or perhaps misused to attempt to reconcile evolution and old earth views, it not a theory that they invented. They just adapted it.
20  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 28, 2014, 09:07:17 pm
I'm not a prepper, will say this - these Apostate churches in America, who are LOADED with money in their bank accounts, are going to be in for a big shocker when all is said than done.(ie-I've heard of churches that have set aside $100K+ in their bank accounts, and just letting it sit there)

I don't know when the rapture will happen - but nonetheless there will come a time when Caesar will be coming back to collect his chips, and these hireling pastors will be bowing their knees toward Baal just to keep their riches.

You got a few issues I do believe .
21  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Studying the Trinity Is an Exercise in Love on: September 28, 2014, 09:05:32 pm
hmmm.. interesting. That means you are applying that i avoided the question. In fact i answered it.

Yes, but it was a short answer that doesn`t tell me much.
22  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Studying the Trinity Is an Exercise in Love on: September 28, 2014, 07:05:15 pm
Actually i cant sorry.

It`s an old country boy saying that suggests avoidance.
23  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 28, 2014, 07:03:36 pm
Personally, in these turbulent times, I see it as prudent to prepare if you have the means to do so. That’s what I did. God knows my heart and why I do things before I know.

“Why do you doubt?” and “Where is your faith?” are rhetorical questions from Him that I have not figured out yet.

And if I end up doing something that’s not part of His plan for my life, He will correct it as long as I agree to let Him. He will gently lead me toward the right path and will be with me during the journey. I don’t have to struggle or travel alone.

Not knowing which thing to do is something I don`t see as a faith issue. After all we have to believe without seeing. I believe I hear the stillsmall voice the Bible talks about sometimes and I have had several prophetic dreams in my life that I know came from God.

Mostly we are left to try to make decisions based on what we know is right in our hearts and our only real means is to pray that God will guide our path and show us the way. I believe my faith is strong but that doesn`t mean I know which way to go.

If Jesus appeared to me and said to do this or that I know I wouldn`t doubt, wouldn`t question. But that`s not how it works at the present time.

I think when Christ berated the apostles for their lack of faith He was challenging them and challenging everyone who believes to have faith. Because of His emphasis on it we all know having faith is what we need to do.

Not knowing which way you should turn doesn`t reflect on your faith in my opinion.

24  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: The Book of Enoch and the Watchers on: September 28, 2014, 06:50:03 pm
The angels did exist before creation. They didnt exist on Earth before Adam. This is according to the Bible, nothing else.

(Show me where the Bible says so.)
prophecy news watch isnt to bad, but a lot of stuff on before its news is pure disinfo. And we have been over wiki.  Cheesy

(You have to sort out the good from the bad. Bad news article have a short life on that site. Wiki, well sounds like ur jus jealous  Wink )
25  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: The Book of Enoch and the Watchers on: September 28, 2014, 05:09:27 pm
Sorry, but the Bible does not allow anything like that what so ever. Please look into how the world dates things and you will quickly come to the realization that the Bible is correct and the worlds dating system is 100% wrong. Creation and evolution is my specialty. You cannot come up with a pre Adam race using the AV1611. Only by using a corrupted Catholic book can you come to that conclusion.

(I haven`t a clue how the world dates things and I don`t read Catholic books. As for the Bible, There are many things that aren`t revealed by the Bible. On some matters the Bible give us fragments of information.
The angels are absolutely a pre Adam race and according to the book of Job they watched God build the earth. There are several fragments in the Bible to both suggest and confirm it.)

I know what you are talking abut.. Im thinking you listen to to much Coast 2 coast.  Cheesy

( I haven`t a clue what coast 2 coast is. I`m old guy, pre internet. I like to read things. I get more out of reading and I retain more from it. In recent times my favorites are prophecynewswatch.com and beforeitsnews.com and wikipedia  Grin
26  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: Aliens the Bible connection. on: September 28, 2014, 04:59:25 pm
I also like this topic, well versed in the lore. What is the "disinformation clutter" your referring too?

Also Ezk isnt a UFO. Its a throne.


The scroll in Zec 5 isnt a ufo, its a curse.

I fully agree that ufo activity is demonic.

I should have chosen a more benign word for it but at a glance I saw a lot of things that looks like info and discussion from the position of aliens originating from other planets. That and some of the other non spiritual issues are things I avoid reading. 14 pages on this thread  Shocked Lottsa matereal and I couldn`t find a place that I really wanted to dive into and take a hard look at. I do intend to take some more looks at it but it seems like a lot to sift through.
27  General Category / Bible Study / Re: Studying the Trinity Is an Exercise in Love on: September 28, 2014, 04:48:55 pm
Huh what is the meaning of that?

I think you can figure it out  Wink
28  General Category / Survival / Re: "and there shall be famines..." on: September 28, 2014, 04:45:43 pm
I think the key to understanding whether to prep or not is found in His will for my life personally. He knows my future role in the grand scheme of things.

Years ago, I had enough savings to stock up on supplies and did so. In my case, the money got tighter and tighter as the supplies were used up. Now, my pantry is what it is. Some of the leftover emergency supplies are quite old now. Financially, I’m running on empty.

I’ve also seen preppers lose everything they had due to a completely unforeseen event.

And yet, somehow, my family has been able to eat, stay warm, stay relatively healthy even though the medical system is crumbling.

My challenge is to know when to turn a problem over to Him, taking my hands off of the problem, and knowing what He would have me do.

I also recognize that it’s important to allow Him to run His body. The individual plan he would have for me is not necessarily the individual plan He would have for others that are His. But the trust is that He is working all things in an interconnected way that I’m not necessarily privy to in order to accomplish His purposes.

This is easier said than done. My fallen human nature struggles with doubt as the worry comes in. It’s counterintuitive to throw away the worldly safety net. Yet God does things to prove to me that He is in control of circumstances that I cannot take credit for. Like the Gideon’s army scenario. Like His people doing the 40-year circles in the desert lamenting that they were going to die. Thankfully, I'm not the only one that has done this with Him.

I hear that. I`m buying things I will eventually use so I don`t intend to waste anything. But I`m still conflicted about it. It`s not clear to me at this time if I`m doing the right thing or not.

I started because I have a conviction that ignoring it and making no preperations at all is going to prove to be a mistake.

29  General Category / UFO/Watcher Theology / Re: The Book of Enoch and the Watchers on: September 28, 2014, 03:37:00 pm
Oh, I think somebody knows exactly what happened. That knowledge has been intentionally hoarded and hidden from public view because in a ruler’s mind knowledge=power. I believe that’s what the dark ages were all about. By controlling the history, and mass “education” one can make up whatever story one wants for the purpose of social control in order to maintain a power structure.

We’re seeing some big fabrications of current events happening today for the same purpose.

Well, since you put it like that. I agree. I read things that claim the government confiscates giant skeletons when they are dug up. I think satan works to keep information about Noahs world suppressed.

Have you looked into anything on so called ruins found on Mars? There are some pictures out there that I would almost describe as compelling.

Then in the last year or so similar claims about the moon have been coming out and pics as well.

If any of that proves to be true then we would be looking at evidence for a pre Adam, angelic civilization.
If it`s really out then disclosure by governments will bring a strong challenge to people of faith, decieving many.

And if those ruins are real then similar pre Adam ruins exist somewhere on earth as well.

It`s not necessary to believe in any of that but I think it wise to be ready for the possibility that it does exist and to know what it would mean if it all came out in a public unveiling.

30  General Category / Bible Study / Re: The Law?? what is it? where is it found? on: September 28, 2014, 03:15:51 pm
I know the feeling well. We are a small site, but we are pretty knowledgeable. The world and your heart will constantly strive to deceive us. And there are SO many programs and info out there that does it so well. Especially on the History Channel.  Angry

One of my favorite verses is
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I try to apply that to everything i research. But here on this site, we are well versed in the history of the Bible and how we have it and how the Catholics have tried to corrupt it over the years. Scott Johnson has some excellent teachings on the history of the Bible. Well worth listening too.

Also its good to have a new face around here to stir up things.  Wink Smiley

I`ve often used the Bereans as an example myself and it`s one of a variey of labels I use when I get pressed about affilations.

When I had Yahoo groups and did a lot of online debating I was forced to do a lot a research. It kept me so busy that I didn`t keep up on backing up my info. I got a pc virus and lost about 3 years worth of research along with some commentary I had written about different doctrines.

I still have the early things I wrote but my ability to write commentary had improved quite a bit so I lost my best stuff,the majority of my research links, along with many articles I had saved.

I was ok with it because I was getting burned out anyway. But since then I`ve relied on my memory when it comes to a lot of non Biblical information. Otherwise I`m trying to retrace old research that at times isn`t there anymore. This is actually the first time it let me down. I must have gotten the idea that Jubilees was in the Torah from either a Morman or somebody who was Hebrew roots. I was expecting to find Jubilees and 2 or 3 more of the books in it  Roll Eyes I intended for that to be my ace up the sleeve. LOL!
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