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« on: March 10, 2014, 11:52:50 am »

Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

There are some astonishing things you're not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight's sudden and complete disappearance has even the world's top air safety authorities baffled. "Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take," reports the Wall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

"For now, it seems simply inexplicable," said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn't telling you the whole story, either. So I've assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 12:22:25 pm »

Malaysia Crash Search Taps Technology as Debris Eludes

Teams trying to locate the Boeing Co. (BA) 777 that vanished over the sea three days ago will scour data for radar signatures while seeking to detect pinging from black boxes as the search for visible wreckage proves elusive.

While aviation experts and four decades of case files suggest the Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (MAS) plane will be found, investigators are in the unique position of being unaware of a large jet’s whereabouts more than 60 hours after it disappeared.

he search for flight MH370 was expanded to an area of ocean spanning Hong Kong to the shores of Sumatra, as well as on land, Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation said today after a slick close to the 777’s flight path proved to be ship fuel. As air and sea patrols fail to find conclusive evidence of debris, technological search methods will increasingly come into play.

“The capability is there,” Ronald Schleede, a former investigator with the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, said in an interview. “I think they’ll find it.”

Planes lost in waters miles deep have been found by remote-controlled submarines, or experts have gathered enough clues to determine what happened, accident reports since 1970 show.

Shallow Seas

In the case of the Malaysian Air plane the waters beneath the area where it seems most likely to have gone down are about 50 meters (165 feet) deep, versus 3,900 meters in the case of Air France Flight 447, where wreckage was found and removed almost two years after the Airbus Group NV (AIR) A330 disappeared.

Local agencies would ordinarily have tracked the plane even if the wide-body 777’s transponders were turned off or not working, said Paul Hayes, a safety expert at London-based Ascend, which logs air crashes.

“One assumes that Malaysian air-defense radars would be watching approaches to their airspace, and they need to be asked to have a look,” he said.

The 777-200, carrying 239 people, never reported in with Vietnam’s air-traffic controllers after leaving Malaysian airspace and flying across the Gulf of Thailand toward Beijing.

Emergency beacons from the jetliner’s so-called black boxes would be another potential tool, though investigators need to be within range of the boxes to pick up the pinging noises they emit.
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Honeywell International Inc. (HON) made the boxes for the Malaysian plane.

The recorders would normally begin sending signals if an aircraft broke up or hit the water, with the pinging lasting for 30 days until independent power supplies run out.

Searchers can use underwater microphones to help find the boxes, with Honeywell’s equipment emitting signals that can be heard from 2.8 miles deep, according to company reports in 2009 during the investigation of the Air France (AF) A330 disappearance over the Atlantic en route from Brazil to Paris.

Recorders are designed to withstand 3,400 times the force of gravity on impact, making it highly likely the boxes will have withstood any breakup of the plane. At this point, it’s impossible to know if the plane exploded at altitude or could have broken up on hitting water, though the struggle to locate surface wreckage is perplexing, according to Hayes.
Sonar Scans

“If it broke up at altitude there would be a wide debris field and you’d have seat cushions, insulation and other plastic from the cabin lining scattered for miles,” he said. “I’m really surprised they haven’t found any floating debris.”

Earlier reports that a floating plane door was sighted have been largely discounted, he said, adding: “There’s lot of debris and flotsam in the sea.”

The Gulf of Thailand is generally shallow and the seabed flat, said John Fish, vice president of American Underwater Search and Survey Ltd. of Bourne, Massachusetts, so that the plane should be relatively easy to recover if found there.

Fish has been involved in recovery efforts including the 1996 crash of Trans World Airlines Inc. Flight 800 off New York, eventually attributed to the explosion of flammable vapors in a fuel tank, possibly ignited by a short circuit.

Even if the Malaysia 777’s black-box recorders can’t be traced, the plane could be located using high-definition sonar that maps the ocean floor even at the greatest depths.

A team led by Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts located the wreckage of Air France Flight 447 after almost two years. The plane came to rest at a depth of more than 2 miles in an area of steep undersea mountains.
Clear-Up Rate

“That’s improved so much over the past few years,” Thomas Haueter, former chief aviation investigator at the NTSB, said in an interview. “What the French did was really incredible. You take a look at the depth of the water.”

Schleede, Haueter and John Cox, an accident investigator and chief executive officer at Safety Operating Systems in Washington, said they weren’t aware of any over-water crashes since the 1970s that weren’t solved. In the handful of cases where flight recorders weren’t recovered or stopped working, sufficient information was gleaned to work out what occurred.

In the case of Air France Flight 447, long before the crash site was discovered safety probes had already determined that its pilots had been dealing with erroneous air-speed data after external gauges iced up, causing them to stall the plane.
Fire, Bomb

The recorders weren’t found on an Asiana Airlines Inc. (020560) 747 freighter that went down in the East China Sea on July 28, 2011, Haueter said. The pilots, both of whom died, reported a fire aboard the plane before it disappeared.

Investigators analyzed wreckage pulled from the ocean floor to determine that a bomb in the forward cargo hold brought down an Air India Boeing 747 off the coast of Ireland in 1985, killing 329 people, according to the agency then known as the Canadian Aviation Safety Board. It was the deadliest act of terror involving a plane until the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Following the crash of a Taiwan China Airlines Ltd. (2610) 747 in the Taiwan Strait on May 25, 2002, investigators found from the wreckage that a repair on the plane’s tail failed, causing it to break apart, according to the Taiwan Aviation Safety Council. All 225 people aboard the Taipei-Hong Kong flight died.

Once the missing Malaysian plane is found, recordings from the flight deck and the plane’s instruments, along with physical clues, will help shed light on what let to its loss, whether terrorism, errors by the pilots, a mechanical failure or some other issue, the investigation experts said.

“I believe very strongly that they will find the airplane, they will get the recorders and we will learn definitively what happened to this Boeing 777,” Cox said.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 01:08:51 pm »

Like I mentioned on another thread - this is just my opinion, but whatever happened(or TPTB did), this has ultimately been a diversion and a distraction by the MSM from all of the other more important news items going on(ie-Ukraine). Look HOW MUCH 24/7 MSM coverage this has gotten, ultimately!
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2014, 06:57:18 pm »

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2014, 07:06:01 pm »

Thats what i was thinking when they said the plane just vanished and they cannot find it. That it just disappeared from radar. A little more pre-programing...

You also have a lot of the ancient alien being pushed, and tons of "new" archaeological stuff is now popping up all  over the place...
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Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: How does a plane just disappear like that?

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, carrying 239 people, suddenly disappeared on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. Under what circumstances can a plane drop off the radar?


It has been more than three days and no one yet seems to know exactly how Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which was carrying 239 people, suddenly disappeared on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

What we do know is that two hours after take-off, at about 35,000 feet, off the coast of Kota Baru, Malaysia, the Boeing aircraft dropped off the radar. Recordings from the radar also show that "there is a possibility the aircraft did make a turnback," said Rodzali Daud, the Royal Malaysian Air Force chief, according to Reuters.

The plane "lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control," at 1:30 a.m. Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, said deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army.

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There are two ways in which an aircraft can register on radar. Primary radar works by bouncing radio waves off the body of the aircraft. Secondary radar works by having a transponder on the plane automatically transmit a unique signal whenever it is pinged, says Larry Cornman, scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

The strength of the signal is largely dependent on where the radars are placed in relation to the aircraft. If an aircraft is too far away from the radar, the signals are going to get weaker, Dr. Cornman says.

Harsh weather conditions such as heavy rains or thunderstorms and large geological features such as mountains can also interfere with radar signals.

In areas with limited radar coverage, many large aircraft make their presence known through an automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast, in which the plane determines its location via global navigation satellites, which it then broadcasts on a radio signal.

As what might have happened to the Malaysian aircraft, many theories are floating around.

An expert who spoke with Bloomberg said, "If it broke up at altitude there would be a wide debris field and you’d have seat cushions, insulation and other plastic from the cabin lining scattered for miles,” he said. “I’m really surprised they haven’t found any floating debris.”

Ocean currents could have also spread the debris far from impact, Cornman says. It is only a matter of time before one finds the wreckage from the aircraft, he adds.

But Dr. Cornman rules out any mishap caused by weather conditions because the sky seemed to be clear in this case, unlike the Air France Flight 447 flight that plunged into the Atlantic killing all 228 people on board.

It took five days to locate the floating wreckage from the Air France flight, and it was another two years before the aircraft's black box was retrieved from the ocean floor.

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We are getting very close...keep looking up!
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 07:42:04 pm »

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Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian

A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark

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The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing
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One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.
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Could someone copy and paste the article for me? My internet explorer browser keeps freezing and giving me this "does not respond" message every time I try to pull it up.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-eerie-moment-3222919
Video: Watch eerie moment family of missing Malaysia Airlines passenger successfully ring his phone - but nobody answers Huh
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Video: Watch eerie moment family of missing Malaysia Airlines passenger successfully ring his phone - but nobody answers

The family of a passenger on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight successfully rang his mobile phone - but nobody answered.

This video shows the moment relatives of a Chinese man among the 239 people feared dead after the passenger jet mysteriously disappeared rang his phone live on state television.

The call connected, but then rang out.

Chinese media reports that a number of families have been able to ring mobile phones of their missing loved ones but no one answers.

The development raises even more questions about what has happened to flight MH370.

The flight is presumed to have crashed off the Vietnamese coast on Saturday, after losing contact with air traffic controllers off the eastern Malaysia coast.

Fears terrorists are to blame are growing as it emerged two passengers were using stolen passports.

An Italian and an Austrian were feared to be among the 239 victims presumed dead after the Boeing 777 crashed into the South China Sea.

But Luigi Maraldi contacted his family to say he was safe and well and Christian Kozel was found at home by Austrian police.

The revelations raise the fear that terrorism may have played a part in the sudden disappearance of the air liner that was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

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A 12-mile oil slick was spotted during an aerial search which was called off before nightfall, leaving naval ships and fishing vessels to look for survivors.

The plane was last detected on radar at 5.30pm UK time on Friday around 100 miles north of the Malaysian coast.

An airline tracking website suggested it plunged 650ft and changed direction before it vanished.

Even before news of stolen passports emerged, experts had raised the spectre of a terrorist bomb.

Pilot David Learmount, who is operations and safety editor of Flight Global magazine, said: “Something happened and the pilots did not tell anyone. Why? It’s a good question.         

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Why are the missing Malaysian Airlines passengers' phones still ringing? Relatives' agony as  search zone now switches to entirely new area and Iranian man on missing passport traced and 'isn't terrorist'

    Smartphones of the missing aboard Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 are still ringing according to reports
    As many as 19 families of missing passengers have claimed to be connected - and airline says they have rung crew's phones
    Growing frustration among relatives who have received no information on their missing friends and relatives
    Malaysian police say one of the two men on stolen passports was Iranian asylum seeker, 19, and 'not a terrorist' as his mother was waiting for him
    Fate of the Boeing 777 remains a mystery and search now concentrates on different sea at least 200 miles from where it was last recorded


The 'unprecedented mystery' behind the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH 370 deepened on Monday when relatives claimed they were able to call the cellphones of their missing loved ones.

According to the Washington Post, family of some of the 239 people on board the vanished Boeing 777 said that they were getting ring tones and could see them active online through a Chinese social networking service called QQ.

One man said that the QQ account of his brother-in-law showed him as online, but frustratingly for those waiting desperately for any news, messages sent have gone unanswered and the calls have not been picked up.

This new eerie development comes as the Malaysian authorities said they had identified one of the men on two stolen European passports who were on the flight - and that he was not considered likely to be a terrorist

He was a 19-year-old Iranian asylum seeker called Pouiria Nur Mohammad Mehrdad who was trying to meet his mother in Germany.

Separately, the search for any trace of the missing airliner has now shifted to the Straits of Malacca, at least 100 miles away from where it was last recorded by electronic monitoring devices.

The dramatic shift raises the possibility that it flew undetected, crossing mainland Malaysia, before ditching into the sea.

However the phantom phone calls and online presence set off a whole new level of hysteria for relatives who have spent the past three-days cooped-up in a Beijing hotel waiting for some concrete information on the missing plane.

Repeatedly telling Malaysian Airlines officials about the QQ accounts and ringing telephone calls, they hoped that modern technology could simply triangulate the GPS signal of the phones and locate their relatives.

However, according to Singapore's Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy has confirmed to families that his company had tried to call the cellphones of crew members and they too had also rang out.

He is reported to have told relatives that those phone numbers have been turned over to Chinese authorities.

One man who had asked police to come to his house and see the active QQ account on his computer was devastated to see that by Monday afternoon it had switched to inactive.

According to China.org.cn, 19 families of those missing have signed a joint statement confirming that their calls connected to their loved ones but that they rang out.

The relatives have asked for a full investigation and some complained that Malaysian Airlines is not telling the whole truth.

The International Business Times reported that the sister of one of the Chinese passengers also rang his phone on live television.

'This morning, around 11:40, I called my older brother's number twice, and I got the ringing tone,' said Bian Liangwei, sister of one of the passengers according to IBT.

At 2pm, Bian called again and heard it ringing once more.

'If I could get through, the police could locate the position, and there's a chance he could still be alive.'

However, at a press conference in Beijing, Malaysian Airlines spokesman Ignatius Ong said one of the numbers that had been passed on to the airline's head office in Kuala Lumpur failed to get through.

'I myself have called the number five times while the airline's command center also called the number. We got no answering tone,' said Ong.

Indeed, authorities Authorities hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner expanded their search on land and sea Tuesday, reflecting the difficulties in locating traces of the plane more than three days after it vanished.

Malaysia Airlines said in a statement the western coast of the country, near the Straits of Malacca, was 'now the focus' of the hunt. That is on the other side of peninsular Malaysia from where flight 370 was reported missing.

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WHY ARE THE PASSENGERS' PHONES STILL RINGING?

After three days, wouldn’t the phone batteries be dead by now?

Not necessarily. Smartphones are renowned for their poor battery life and will typically last up to around 24 hours. But the batteries of older phones can last considerably longer.

For example, the Nokia 100 boasts a standby battery life of a staggering 35 days. Smartphone batteries can also last longer if the handset isn’t being used, and especially if the phone is in Flight Mode.

However, if the phone is in Flight Mode, it switches off all wireless activity meaning calls wouldn’t be able to connect, effectively ruling out this theory. 

If the phone batteries are dead, wouldn’t the call go straight to voicemail?

In a word, yes. However, the process of sending the call to voicemail can differ depending on the service provider.

For example, the majority of phones will go straight to voicemail, or callers will get an out of service message if voicemail hasn’t been set up.

This will occur even if the phone is underwater, or not near a cell signal.

However, some service providers will ring once or twice before the phone goes to voicemail, or cut off. This may explain the reports that claimed phones rang before seeming to hang up.

Some reports claim the phones are just ringing and ringing though. How is this possible?

Telecoms expert Alan Spencer told MailOnline that if the phones are really ringing, they can categorically not be under the sea.

He added that the phones will only be ringing if they are ‘switched on, not in water, the battery is charged, and [they are] near a mobile cell site.’

This means that if the phones are genuinely ringing, the plane needs to have landed on land – not in the sea – and be in a location where there is cell service, rather than landing in the middle of a jungle, for example.

Why can’t network operators locate the phones?

A number of family members have asked the network operators why they can’t use the phone’s signal to locate the missing people.

Professor William Webb, a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, told MailOnline: ‘The phones definitely won't be working. They'll be underwater, out of coverage and by this time out of battery.

‘So there's absolutely no way they could be used for triangulation.

‘As to why they are ‘ringing’ it'll be the same as if they were out of coverage - in some cases it may ring before going to voicemail.’

What about the T3212 timer I’ve read about?

The T3212 is a timer that causes a phone to periodically send a message to the network saying where it is.

But Professor Webb said this only works when the phone is turned on and it is in coverage. It won't work when the battery is dead.


What about reports that passengers are appearing online, on the QQ social network?

When people sign into social networks including QQ, as well as Facebook, they appear online.

This is the case whether they’ve signed in on a phone, tablet, PC, and laptop.

if missing passengers are shown as online, they may not be using the service on their phone. Instead they may still be logged in on another device.

If this other device shuts down or goes into standby, however, or there is a long period of inactivity, the social network will log them out, which may explain why some accounts went from online to offline over a period of three days.
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Well, Hollywood DOES like to telegraph its punches - pt being that the typical Hollywood product isn't some "pure fiction" kind of thing, but again they like the play around and manipulate the masses.

And not to mention too all of the demonic "supernatural" stuff in Hollywood products in recent years being on the rise.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysia-airlines-military-idUSBREA2A0KM20140311
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Missing Malaysian plane last seen at Strait of Malacca: source

(Reuters) - The Malaysian military believes an airliner missing for almost four days with 239 people on board flew for more than an hour after vanishing from air traffic control screens, changing course and travelling west over the Strait of Malacca, a senior military source said.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

At the time it was roughly midway between Malaysia's east coast town of Kota Bharu and the southern tip of Vietnam, flying at 35,000 ft.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

The Strait of Malacca, one of the world's busiest shipping channels, runs along Malaysia's west coast.

Earlier on Tuesday, Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the Malaysia Airlines plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying at a height of about 9,000 meters (29,500 ft), he was quoted as saying.

"The last time the flight was detected close to Pulau Perak, in the Melaka Straits, at 2.40 a.m. by the control tower before the signal was lost," the paper quoted Rodzali as saying.

A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was being checked.

"This report is being investigated by the DCA (Department of Civil Aviation) and the search and rescue team," the source said. "There are a lot of such reports."

The time given by Rodzali was an hour and 10 minutes after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens over Igari waypoint, midway between Malaysia and Vietnam.

There was no word on what happened to the plane thereafter.

If the reports from the military are verified, it would mean the plane was able to maintain a cruising altitude and flew for about 500 km (350 miles) with its transponder and other tracking systems apparently switched off.

Malaysia has extended the massive search operation for the plane to the Malacca Strait after initially focusing on the South China Sea.
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Strange indeed, as this guy is lying based on some massive assumptions that he can't possibly know!

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‘So there's absolutely no way they could be used for triangulation.

If a phone is ringing, that suggests the system doesn't see anything wrong and is sending a signal to those phones, and if it's sending the ring signal, the system knows where those phones are, or at least which tower they are closest to. And we also know that cellphones can in fact be tracked by their GPS, even if they are turned off. Just ask the NSA!

I agree, real creepy! Made worse by the fact China is involved.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 07:57:39 am »

They STILL cannot find this plane...  Huh
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Missing Malaysia Flight Similar to Lost 007 McDonald Flight

The mystery of Flight 370 stirs memories of the 1983 disappearance of Flight 007, which led to the death of a Congressman

The current mystery of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight has striking similarities to the 1983 disappearance of a Korean airliner carrying the late Congressman Larry McDonald, which also went missing in Asia.

Investigators trying to determine what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 after it was reported missing in the Gulf of Thailand on March 8 have had little to go on: no distress signal from the flight, no wreckage found and no severe weather reported in the vicinity that could have caused a crash.

Even the oil slick previously attributed to the flight turned out to be a false lead.

More shocking, the passengers’ relatives said that they were able to call the cell phones of those missing and hear a ringing tone, which should have been impossible if the plane crashed into the ocean.

Malaysia’s military also believes that it tracked the aircraft 200 miles off course over the Strait of Malacca, a new revelation that sparks memories of the disappearance of the Korean airliner carrying Rep. McDonald (D-Ga.) in 1983 during the final apex of Cold War tensions.

According to the official account, Korean Air Lines Flight 007 was shot down by a Soviet Su-15 interceptor in the Sea of Japan after violating Soviet air space during its flight from Anchorage, Alaska to South Korea.

McDonald, whose body was never recovered, was perhaps the staunchest anti-communist and anti-globalist in Congress at the time, a fact that helped fuel the ongoing controversy over the circumstances surrounding the flight of which little, if any, debris was ever found.

After only 10 minutes after take-off, Flight 007 deviated from its assigned route and continued to fly in this direction for the next 5.5 hours, leading it straight into Soviet air where it was allegedly destroyed by a Kaliningrad R-8 missile according to the official report.

The International Civil Aviation Organization later said that the flight’s deviation was perhaps due to the aircraft’s autopilot operating in the wrong mode.

Yet none of the pilots attempted to adjust the flight’s path even though they were so off course that they could not even establish direct radio communications with air traffic control.

Even more troubling is that several other factors, such as pegged out indicators and different weather conditions reported from other aircraft on the proper flight path, should have easily alerted the crew that they were no where near the proper course.

On top of all this, the Soviets never fully revealed their findings from the aircraft’s recovered black boxes.

“It is unnerving to consider that the sequence of actions and coincidences which finally led to the shooting down of a commercial aircraft in which 269 innocent people died, began with something that didn’t happen – an autopilot mode transition,” researcher Asaf Degani wrote on the subject. “Many things went wrong and many events, by pure coincidence, worked against Flight 007.”

But many have stated that the flight’s circumstances which led to the demise of Rep. McDonald weren’t a coincidence at all but were rather planned.

In the same vein, the mystery surrounding Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has also sparked similar discussions.

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On top of all this, the Soviets never fully revealed their findings from the aircraft’s recovered black boxes.

Apparently the black boxes were turned over.

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September 11, 1992--Yeltsin acknowledges, for the first time, the existence of the Black Boxes. He also promises to turn over to the South Korean Government a transcript of the flight recorder contents as found in KGB files.

October 14, 1992--Delegation from the American Association of Families of the Victims of KAL 007 in Moscow receive partial transcripts form Black Box tapes but not tapes themselves.

October 16, 1992--The five top secret memos that were sent to Soviet Premier Yuri Andropov in
November - December of 1983 are released by Russian President Boris Yeltsin and published in Izvestia issue #228.

October 26, 1992--Sonn Se Il, head of Korean opposition party, reveals existence of the Republican Staff Study “CIA Report” which indicates the survival of the plane and those aboard. Reuters News Service publishes summary of report

October 27, 1992--U.S. State Department dismisses any possibility of survivors. Spokesman Richard Boucher states, “President Yeltsin replied that there had been no survivors, and we have no reason to doubt the Russian government’s statement.”

November 20, 1992--Yeltsin hands over black boxes and tapes to Korean President Roh Tae Woo


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This time around, doesn't look like anyone influential(ie-US politicians with anti-NWO agendas) are on this plane.

Yes, this is very, very strange.
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Satellite looking into missing Malaysia flight detects 'suspected crash area'

vid: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html


 A Chinese satellite looking into the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 "observed a suspected crash area at sea," a Chinese government agency said -- a potentially pivotal lead into what has been a frustrating search for the aircraft.

China's State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense announced the discovery, including images of what it said were "three suspected floating objects and their sizes."

The objects aren't small: 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters (46 by 62 feet) and 24 by 22 meters (79 feet by 72 feet). For reference, the wingspan of an intact Boeing 777-200ER like the one that disappeared is about 61 meters (200 feet) and its overall length is about 64 meters (210 feet).

The images were captured on March 9 -- which was the day after the plane went missing -- but weren't released until Wednesday.

The Chinese agency gave coordinates of 105.63 east longitude, 6.7 north latitude, which would put it in waters northeast of where it took off in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and south of Vietnam, near where the South China Sea meets the Gulf of Thailand.

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which would put it in waters northeast of where it took off in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia,

Isn't that the opposite direction they claim the plane went?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html#ixzz2vfN0dGSb

And the Chinese now claim they have satellite images of a possible crash site at sea, and they've had those images since the day after it went missing? Does anybody else see a problem with that? They held that info 4 days before releasing it? From the images of family, it looks like that plane was mostly Chinese passengers.

This story isn't getting any more normal!
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‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris

Search planes dispatched Thursday to examine an area where Chinese satellite images showed what might have been debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 found nothing, officials told CBS News.

The Malaysian Air Force director of operations told CBS News in Kuala Lumpur that planes sent up based on the Chinese satellite images from Sunday, the day after Flight 370 went missing south of Vietnam, had located no debris.

Later Thursday, Malaysian civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman reiterated the latest bad news in the search for the plane. “There is nothing. We went there, there is nothing,” he told reporters.

Separately, a Reuters journalist who was on board a Vietnamese search aircraft dispatched to the same area Thursday, said no debris was spotted.

“Aircraft repeatedly circled the area over the South China Sea but were unable to detect any objects,” Reuters reported.

The hunt for Flight 370, a Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, has been punctuated by false leads since it disappeared with 239 people aboard just hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur for Beijing early Saturday. The plane was heading east over the South China Sea when it disappeared, but authorities believe it may have turned back and headed into the upper reaches of the Strait and Malacca or beyond.

Meanwhile, Malaysia’s acting Transport Minister, Hishammuddin Tun Hussein, flatly rejected a report from The Wall Street Journal claiming U.S. investigators suspect the plane flew for as long as four hours — possibly hundreds of miles — after it lost contact with ground control.

The Journal, citing “two people familiar with the details,” said data automatically downloaded from the plane’s Rolls Royce Trent 800 engines as part of a maintenance program continued to reach the ground for four hours after the flight went off radar.

“Those reports are inaccurate,” said Hussein. He said the last transmission of data from Flight 370 came prior to the loss of the plane’s signal on radar and communications with the crew, and indicated “everything was normal.”

“As far as Rolls Royce and Boeing are concerned, those reports are inaccurate,” said Hussein.

The debris in the Chinese images was not far from the last confirmed position of the plane, between Malaysia and Vietnam. The images and coordinates were posted on the website of China’s State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense.

A Xinhua report said the images, from around 11 a.m. on Sunday, appear to show “three suspected floating objects” of varying sizes in a 12-and-a-half mile radius, the largest about 79-by-72 feet, off the southern tip of Vietnam.

Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, said Malaysia had not been officially informed by China about the images, something he said was a “a breach of protocol.”

He noted the general area had been searched several times and the images were taken on Sunday. “There have been lots of reports of suspected debris,” he said.

Li Jiaxiang, chief of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, said later China had yet to confirm any link between the floating objects and the plane.

Malaysia has come under some criticism for its handling of the search, which currently covers 35,800 square miles and involves 12 nations.

On Wednesday, Malaysian government officials told passengers’ relatives that the last words of the captain to air traffic control indicated nothing was wrong. But with no confirmed trace of the jet, the words did nothing to calm waiting friends and families.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2014, 06:26:23 pm »

When I saw CNN's coverage with their "panel" discussing this - it was as if they were trying to find some "explanation" to no end. I don't know if it was scripted, or if they were confused themselves.

Pt being that it wouldn't surprise me if the MSM's so-called "panels" get into these very same "discussion explanations" after the rapture happens - that occurred to me when I saw their coverage of this.
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Malaysian Prime Minister: Movement of missing Malaysia Airlines plane was consistent with deliberate action of someone on plane - live video

Malaysian Prime Minister: Data shows Malaysia Airlines plane's last communication with satellite was in 1 of 2 locations - live video

Malaysian Prime Minister: Despite reports that plane was hijacked, authorities are still investigating all possibilities - live video

Malaysian prime minister says authorities reinvestigating passengers and crew after missing plane's actions suggest deliberate action - live video

Malaysian prime minister says country is ending search for missing plane in South China Sea, reassessing deployment of assets - @Reuters

Satellite data places missing jet in 1 of 2 corridors: North of Northern Thailand or south from Indonesia to Southern Indian Ocean, prime minister says - @Reuters

Malaysia Airlines commercial director tells relatives in Beijing that information on missing flight MH370 will be released by government as it is now a 'criminal investigation' - The Straits Times

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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 12:42:01 pm »

And they keep changing their story - like said, either all of this is scripted, or EVEN THEY find it a big mystery.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2014, 11:43:48 am »

Israel Prepares for Possible Attack by Hijacked Malaysian Plane

As the possibility--however remote--grows that Malaysia Airlines flight 370 may have been hijacked and taken to a hidden location, Israeli authorities are preparing for the possibility that the hijackers might attempt to use the Boeing 777 to mount an attack.

According to the Times of Israel, Israel's Channel 2 has revealed that Israeli air defenses have been boosted, and approaching civilian aircraft will be asked to identify themselves far earlier.

Though the flight was presumed at first to have crashed, whole or in pieces, into the ocean, passive satellite transmissions from the aircraft suggest that it made a deliberate course change and may have headed north into central Asia.

Pakistan has already said that the flight never registered on its radar, but at least one expert has suggested the flight could have landed in Bangladesh, whose air defenses presumably would be weaker.

Though the possibility that the Boeing 777 could be used in a terror attack is mere speculation, it is evidently being taken seriously by Israel. A plane filled with nuclear material would not need to be in Israeli airspace long to do catastrophic damage, even if shot down.

There are no reports yet that the U.S. is taking similar measures, and U.S. officials have suggested recently that the likeliest fate of flight 370 was a crash into the Indian Ocean.

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CNN’s Don Lemon: ‘Is It Preposterous’ to Think a Black Hole Caused Flight 370 to Go Missing?



CNN’s Don Lemon has been entertaining all sorts of theories about the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, including the chance something “supernatural” happened, but on Wednesday night, he actually asked panelists about the possibility a black hole was involved.

Lemon brought this up along with other “conspiracy theories” people have been floating on Twitter, including people noting the eerie parallels to Lost and The Twilight Zone, and wondered, “is it preposterous” to consider a black hole as a possibility?

Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said, “A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”

Here’s another theory I’ll just throw out there: what about the plane entered a wormhole into another dimension? I don’t know if that’s how the science works, though.

Watch the video below, via CNN:
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CNN’s Don Lemon has been entertaining all sorts of theories about the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, including the chance something “supernatural” happened, but on Wednesday night, he actually asked panelists about the possibility a black hole was involved.

Lemon brought this up along with other “conspiracy theories” people have been floating on Twitter, including people noting the eerie parallels to Lost and The Twilight Zone, and wondered, “is it preposterous” to consider a black hole as a possibility?

Mary Schiavo, a former Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said, “A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”

Here’s another theory I’ll just throw out there: what about the plane entered a wormhole into another dimension? I don’t know if that’s how the science works, though.

Lemon et al will be saying the same thing after the rapture of the church. Wink
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Uh, haven't we seen this script before? Wasn't it called, "Lost".

Hmm.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/angry-families-accuse-malaysia-concealing-truth-about-mh370-n59496
Angry Families Accuse Malaysia of 'Concealing' Truth About MH370
3/22/14

Emotions boiled over in China on Saturday as families of missing passengers shouted angrily at Malaysian officials and accused them of “delaying, concealing and cheating” over the investigation into Flight 370.

“We want to know what happened, what the reality is!” a relative yelled in English at the delegation, which included Malaysia’s ambassador to China, Datuk Iskandar Sarudin.

Impatience turned to anger when the officials ended their daily briefing in the ballroom of Beijing’s Lido Hotel without taking any questions.

“You can’t go! You can’t leave here!” shouted the family member. “We are here waiting for you 14 days! We are not here only to listen to you!”

Others shouted in Mandarin as the officials tried to leave the room.

"The family members are extremely indignant," read a statement issued by the relatives afterwards, according to The Associated Press. "We believe we have been strung along, kept in the dark and lied to by the Malaysian government. All of the families agree that the Malaysian government has been delaying, concealing and cheating on us."

The statement said the Malaysians had “disregarded the life of the passengers,” adding: “They have been fooling the families and the people of the whole world.”

More than two-thirds of those on board the missing Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 are Chinese.

A handful of their relatives have traveled to Kuala Lumpur, but the majority remains in Beijing where they have repeatedly accused Malaysia of withholding information.

“I still believe they are continuing to hide crucial information," a man in his 40s who gave his family name as Yang told NBC News on Friday.

Nan Jinyan, sister-in-law of 29-year-old missing passenger Yan Ling, told The Associated Press she was deeply unhappy with what she called the vague and often contradictory information coming from Malaysia Airlines. "If they can't offer something firm, they ought to just shut up," she said.

Volunteer psychologist Paul Yin, who has worked with some of the relatives, said not knowing the fate of their loved ones was preventing them from confronting their grief. "When there is uncertainty for several days, people go from hope to despair, and back again, making it impossible to bring final healing," Yin told the AP.
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2014, 09:20:27 am »

This is Breaking News, FYI - we will see if this turns out to be true(unlike the rest of their countless "stories")...

http://news.yahoo.com/flight-missing-plane-ended-indian-ocean-malaysian-pm-141026301.html
Flight of missing plane ended in Indian Ocean: Malaysian PM
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Kuala Lumpur (AFP) - Flight of missing Malaysian plane ended in Indian Ocean: PM

MH370 vanished without warning on March 8 over the South China Sea en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board.

Malaysia believes the plane was deliberately diverted by someone on board. But the absence of firm evidence has fuelled intense speculation and conspiracy theories, and tormented the families of the missing.

The search swung deep into the Indian Ocean last week after initial satellite images depicted large floating objects there.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2014, 11:09:25 am »

Apparently, it's over(and likely no more "vain babbling" over this), or Maybe NOT...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-families-none-those-board-survived-n60446

Video: Malaysia Airlines to Families: 'None of Those On Board Survived'

The families of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have been sent text messages telling them that the plane has been "lost."

"We have to assume beyond reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board have survived," the message said. "We must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean."

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