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« on: April 20, 2014, 05:02:13 pm »

Posting this here b/c was just on the Yahoo site, and it's on the Yahoo top 10 tracker(which is why it caught my attention). Honestly, I didn't think this deception has gone mainstream(although I remember "Unsolved Mysteries" did a segment on this many years ago).

Shroud Of Turin Research Has One Doctor Convinced It’s The Real Thing
4/20/14
http://www.webpronews.com/shroud-of-turin-research-continues-as-one-doctor-is-convinced-its-the-real-thing-2014-04

The Shroud of Turin is one of the most controversial artifacts to have ever been found. The piece of cloth depicts a man’s face, hands and legs that many claim to be the body of Jesus Christ. For some, it’s proof that Jesus lived, died and was resurrected. For others, it’s a dirty piece of cloth that people put too much importance on. While these two sides argue, science continues to search for the truth with one scientist now claiming it’s the real deal.

The Tampa Tribune reports that Clearwater Beach resident Dr. Wayne Phillips is now convinced that the Shroud of Turin depicts the face of Jesus Christ. While Dr. Phillips is a Catholic, he says that his conclusion comes from hard science instead of faith. To illustrate this, he travels the country giving lectures on the science that proves the shroud is real.

So, what is some of the science that Dr. Phillips cites to prove the shroud is real? For starters, he says the carbon dating method used in 1988 that pegged the shroud’s age at 600 years has been refuted time and time again. He also points to research conducted by Shroud of Turin Research Project in 1978 that proved it’s not a painting. Perhaps the most compelling evidence for the shroud and the resurrection is that research has shown the body under the shroud to have dematerialized. In other words, whoever was buried under the shroud wasn’t moved, but rather simply vanished.

Dr. Phillips isn’t the only academic putting a lot of time into studying the shroud. The Richmond Times Dispatch did a feature story on the local Shroud of Turin Center in Richmond, Virginia. The research center and museum has been a part of the city’s Mary Mother of the Church Abbey since 1997 and has sought to educate the public on the shroud and it’s importance. It’s just one of many shroud centers in the United States. You can see a full list of centers here.

While visiting a center can give you all the information you need on the shroud itself, it still can’t replicate seeing the real thing. For that, you’ll have to travel to Turin, Italy where the shroud is displayed to the public every few years. The last showing was in 2010 while the next will be in 2015. Many U.S.-based shroud centers hold pilgrimages to Turin when the shroud is going to be displayed. The faithful and the curious may want to go with them if they have any desire to see it.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 05:04:47 pm »

Romans 3:3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 07:48:09 am »

Shroud of Turin Conference Draws Believers to St. Louis

 A 14-foot-long stretch of cloth mysteriously imprinted with a faint, brownish image of a naked man and wounds that mirror those of a crucifixion has inspired decades of debate over whether it could be Jesus’ burial shroud.
 
This weekend, that debate will take center stage in St. Louis.
 
Forty experts, scientists and enthusiasts are introducing the latest research surrounding the so-called burial cloth of Jesus at an international four-day conference, opening Thursday (Oct. 9).
 
Russ Breault, who first became interested in the Shroud of Turin when he wrote about it for his college paper, will deliver the opening talk that will focus on how the pattern of wounds seen on the shroud — markings consistent with a crown of thorns, a pierced wrist and what appear to be blood stains — correlate with what the Gospels say happened to Jesus.
 
For Breault, the question — “Could this be the burial cloth of Jesus?” — is one worthy of rigorous pursuit.
 
“This is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries in the world,” Breault said from his home in Atlanta. “It all comes down to possibility and what that possibility represents.”
 
To others the puzzle surrounding the origins of the cloth was solved in 1988 when laboratories in the U.S. England and, Switzerland determined through carbon dating that the Shroud of Turin originated around 1260 to 1390.
 
“These results therefore provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is medieval,” researchers at that time concluded.
 
The dating matches the first known reference to the shroud in church history.
 
And yet, confidence in the shroud’s authenticity has endured.
 
John Beldon Scott, director of the School of Art & Art History at the University of Iowa and author of “Architecture for the Shroud: Relic and Ritual in Turin,” said the shroud continues to fascinate enthusiasts because, unlike other religious artifacts, it invites viewers to interpret.
 
“The visual experience of seeing that particular relic is quite unusual,” Scott said. “It really requires the participation and the imagination of the viewer.”
 
The mystique of the cloth is also enhanced, he said, by the fact that it is rarely on display. The northern Italian city of Turin has housed the shroud since 1578.
 
There are those who were never convinced by the carbon-dating results. They argue the research was compromised and that the tested fragment was actually a medieval piece of cloth added to the artifact to repair damage, which resulted in a false reading.
 
“The radiocarbon sample has completely different chemical properties than the main part of the shroud relic,” Raymond Rogers, a retired chemist from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, told the BBC News in 2005.
 
Some, like art historian Thomas de Wesselow, have even attributed the belief in the resurrection and consequent spread of Christianity to the Shroud of Turin, arguing that when Mary Magdalene and two other women approached Jesus’ tomb what they saw was actually a cloth with an image of a man.
 
The Catholic Church has come down somewhere in the middle with regard to the authenticity of the shroud. Although it has not declared the artifact a bona fide relic, since it was willed to the Vatican in 1983, popes have venerated the object.
 
Pope John Paul II, who arranged for a public showing of the shroud in 1998, said the icon “attests to the tremendous human capacity for causing pain and death to one’s fellow man” and “the suffering of the innocent in every age.”
 
In 2010, Pope Benedict XVI spoke of the shroud in relation to the light of the resurrection.
 
“It seems to me that, looking at this sacred cloth through the eyes of faith,” Benedict said, “one may perceive something of this light.”
 
Pope Francis said the face of the shroud “resembles all those faces of men and women marred by a life that does not respect their dignity, by war and the violence that afflict the weakest.”
 
There is even a smartphone app for the shroud that features images of the cloth along with excerpts from the Gospels prepared by the Diocese of Turin and the International Center of Sindonology, which is dedicated to the scientific study of the relic.
 
Physicist Arthur Lind, a former Boeing employee who is making a presentation at the conference, said he will focus on what some believe are the shroud’s blood markings.
 
“I don’t need the shroud for my faith,” said Lind, who describes himself as a Christian. “I like solving problems, so this is a problem that I’m trying to solve.”
 
Breault added that proving the shroud is the burial garment of Jesus isn’t crucial to him.
 
“But again, if it remains an unresolved mystery,” he said. “I’m fine with that too.”

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2014, 03:55:22 pm »

Setting up for the Antichrist, is all... I almost guarantee his DNA will even match whatever "blood markings" are on the thing. And people will eat it up.

It doesn't matter that:

1) It isn't consistent with how the Bible describes Jesus' burial clothes (John 19:39-40, John 20:6-7).
2) It isn't consistent with 1 Corinthians 11:14.
3) It isn't consistent with Isaiah 52:14.
4) It isn't consistent with Isaiah 53:2.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 08:03:28 am »

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Setting up for the Antichrist, is all... I almost guarantee his DNA will even match whatever "blood markings" are on the thing. And people will eat it up.

Now that would be interesting. Never thought of that before
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2015, 03:17:50 pm »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/turin-shroud-global-dna_561d252de4b028dd7ea52ccd?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Shroud Of Turin DNA Indicates Global Origins

Genetic material suggests the shroud may have been created in India.

10/19/15

There's a surprising new wrinkle in the story of the celebrated Shroud of Turin.

A group of Italian researchers have found that the 14-foot-long garment -- believed by some to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ, even though science has proven that's not the case -- contains DNA from plants found all over Earth.

"Here we report the main findings from the analysis of genomic DNA extracted from dust particles vacuumed from parts of the body image and the lateral edge used for radiocarbon dating," Dr. Gianni Barcaccia, a plant genetics and genomics professor at the University of Padova in Italy, wrote in a paper co-authored with his colleagues about the DNA results.

After sequencing the DNA of pollen and dust found on the shroud, the researchers discovered several plant groups native to the Mediterranean, RealClearScience.com reported. Other groups were linked to Asia, the Middle East, or the Americas, but must have been introduced at a time later than the Medieval period, according to the researchers.

The findings, published in the journal Scientific Reports on Oct. 5, suggest that the cloth may have been manufactured in India and then was transported from the Near East to its current home in Turin, Italy.

The linen shroud appears to show a double image of a bearded man "who suffered physical trauma in a manner consistent with crucifixion after being beaten, scourged and crowned with thorns," the researchers wrote. But whether this man was the historic Jesus Christ has been the subject of decades of scrutiny, speculation and controversy over its authenticity and origin.

In 1988, carbon-14 testing performed on the cloth by an international team of researchers, dated shroud fibers back to between 1260 and 1390. That's a bit more than 1,000 years after the crucifixion, which means, of course, that the shroud can't be the relic that some Christians claim it to be.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2015, 11:24:47 pm »

The 1988 test has been proven inaccurate.
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