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« on: March 21, 2011, 01:02:56 am »

Speaker Pelosi avoids question about unborn Jesus’ right to life
   
"...Pelosi told her audience 'you know the Gospel reference of the Word.' She added that people have to give voice to 'what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word.' She cited the...Gospel of John’s description of Jesus Christ, 'the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.'...
    "...reporter Jane McGrath asked: 'So, when was the Word made flesh? Was it at the Annunciation, when Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, as the Creed says, or was it at the Nativity when he was born of the Virgin Mary? And when did the Word get the right to life?'

    "Speaker Pelosi, a self-described Catholic, replied: 'Whenever it was, we bow our heads when we talk about it in church, and that’s where I’d like to talk about that.'... Pelosi favors legalized abortion and voted against a ban on partial-birth abortion."
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/speaker-pelosi-avoids-question-about-unborn-jesus-right-to-life/

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 03:33:34 am »

That is one wicked creature, both religiously and politically. I didn't realize she was a professed Catholic, which explains alot.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 09:19:35 am »

That is one wicked creature, both religiously and politically. I didn't realize she was a professed Catholic, which explains alot.
Is it possible to have a female Jesuit?
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 02:53:21 pm »

Sorry, but who says she's female?  Wink

But seriously, I'm not sure. Good question though.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 03:07:01 pm »

17. Was there ever a Woman Jesuit?
The incipient Society of Jesus had trouble with its experimental acceptance of women Jesuits. A noblewoman, Isabel Roser and her two companions, sought the permission of Pope Paul III to take the vows of the Society of Jesus and form its female branch, sometime in 1545. However, upon entrance to the Society, Isabel made impossible demands and proved problematic as she continued with her old ways. She wore the patience of the Superior General, Ignatius of Loyola, when she asked for very long hours of spiritual direction. As a result, the normal way of proceeding of the order was disrupted. He in turn asked the same Pope to dispense Isabel from her vows and to write a bull forbidding entrance of women into his order.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 10:53:04 pm »

Anyone remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TJb7trBXk8&playnext=1&list=PL03BB1AD27B783DE2
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 05:27:47 am »

"And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Revelation 13:15 (KJB)
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 06:50:39 pm »

Pelosi Bashes Catholics: “They Have This Conscience Thing”

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is at it again, bashing Catholics for their pro-life position when she has promoted abortion in defiance of Catholic Church teaching at every turn.

This time, Pelosi is upset that the nation’s Catholic bishops are protesting a potential Obama administration decision forcing insurance companies to cover birth control, contraception and drugs that could cause abortions. They say certain religious groups may not be exempt from providing the insurance, which would violate their moral and religious views.

Pelosi says the position is akin to having hospitals “say to a woman, ‘I’m sorry you could die’ if you don’t get an abortion,” she told the Washington Post.

“Those who dispute that characterization “may not like the language,’’ she said, “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it . . . but they have this conscience thing” that the Post said Pelosi “insists put women at physical risk, although Catholic providers strongly disagree.”

Pelosi also defended controversial remarks she made about a bill to prevent Obamacare from funding abortions, where she claimed Republicans “want women to die on the floor.”

“For a moment, I want to get back to what was asked about the issue on the floor today that Mr. Hoyer address,” Pelosi said. “He made a point and I want to emphasize it. Under this bill, when the Republicans vote for this bill today, they will be voting to say that women can die on the floor and health care providers do not have to intervene if this bill is passed. It’s just appalling.”

She told the Post in a new interview, that she doesn’t think the assessment went to far.

“They would” let women die on the floor, she said. “They would! Again, whatever their intention is, this is the effect.”

Pelosi is bastardizing a portion of the bill that reinstates conscience protections for pro-life medical workers who don’t want to be involved in abortions.

The Protect Life Act makes it clear that no funds authorized or appropriated by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), including tax credits and cost-sharing reductions, may be used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage. It specifies that individual people or state or local governments must purchase a separate elective abortion rider or insurance coverage that includes elective abortion but only as long as that is done with private funds and not monies authorized by Obamacare.

The bill also specifies that insurance issuers may offer health plans that include elective abortion and may offer separate elective abortion riders, so long as they ensure PPACA funds are not used for premiums or administrative costs. The bill also clarifies that issuers who offer elective abortion coverage must also offer a qualified health benefits plan that is identical except that it does not cover elective abortion.

The pro-life measure also ensures that state laws “protecting conscience rights, restricting or prohibiting abortion or coverage or funding of abortion, or establishing procedural requirements on abortion” are not abrogated by Obamacare. It also makes it so any state or local governments receiving funding under Obamacare may not subject any health care entity to discrimination or require any health plan to subject any entity to discrimination on the basis that it refuses to undergo abortion training, refuses to require abortion training, refuses to perform or pay for abortions, or refuses to provide abortion referrals.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/11/21/pelosi-bashes-catholics-they-have-this-conscience-thing/

Wonder if she will get that excommunication now?

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…In the interview [Italian newspaper Avvenire June 3], Cardinal Bertone also commented on Pope Benedict's recent remarks to reporters about the possible excommunication of Catholic politicians who support legislation to make abortion legal.

http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/automatic_excommunication_clarified.htm
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 05:41:02 am »

Pelosi Calls Catholic Bishops “Lobbyists” For Obamacare Concerns

Nancy Pelosi is simply unable to honor the Catholic Church to which she claims to be a member — as she has put her foot in her mouth again by claiming the nation’s Catholic bishops are lobbyists because they oppose an Obamacare mandate.

The Catholic bishops, and a considerable number of pro-life groups, are upset that the Obama administration is considering implementing a new rule regarding Obamacare and whether insurance companies will be forced to include birth control and drugs that can possibly cause abortions under “preventative care.”

The contraception mandate rule has drawn strong opposition from pro-life groups — in part because the religious exemption it contains is very narrow and could force certain Catholic and other religious groups to pay for insurance coverage for employees. They say that violates its conscience rights and religious views because of the birth control coverage and coverage for drugs like the morning after pill and ella that can cause abortions.

At her news briefing yesterday, CNS News asked the House Democratic leader about the mandate.

“In August, HHS issued a proposed regulation under the new health care law that would require that all health care plans cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives. The U.S. Catholic bishops have called the regulation an unprecedented attack on religious freedom and have asked HHS to drop it. Do you agree with the bishops?”

Claiming she is a “devout Catholic,” Pelosi said she disagreed with the bishops when they act as “lobbyists.”

“I don’t know if I agree with your characterization of what the HHS put forth,” Pelosi said, “but as a mother of five children in six years, as a devout Catholic, I have great respect for our bishops when they are my pastor. As lobbyists in Washington D.C., we have some areas of disagreement.”

“Again,” she continued, “I don’t understand the proposal as you described it. So, I won’t be able to answer it. But I do think that it’s important for women to have the opportunity to have full reproductive health options available to them and their insurance wherever they receive it. I support the waiver that is there for the churches now. I don’t know the exception as expanded by what you’re saying there.”

The comment about the bishops as “lobbyists” comes after Pelosi bashed the bishops and pro-life Catholics for having “that conscience thing.”

Pelosi says the position is akin to having hospitals “say to a woman, ‘I’m sorry you could die’ if you don’t get an abortion,” she told the Washington Post.

“Those who dispute that characterization “may not like the language,’’ she said, “but the truth is what I said. I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it . . . but they have this conscience thing” that the Post said Pelosi “insists put women at physical risk, although Catholic providers strongly disagree.”

Pelosi also defended controversial remarks she made about a bill to prevent Obamacare from funding abortions, where she claimed Republicans “want women to die on the floor.”

“For a moment, I want to get back to what was asked about the issue on the floor today that Mr. Hoyer address,” Pelosi said. “He made a point and I want to emphasize it. Under this bill, when the Republicans vote for this bill today, they will be voting to say that women can die on the floor and health care providers do not have to intervene if this bill is passed. It’s just appalling.”

She told the Post in a new interview, that she doesn’t think the assessment went to far.

“They would” let women die on the floor, she said. “They would! Again, whatever their intention is, this is the effect.”

Pelosi is bastardizing a portion of the bill that reinstates conscience protections for pro-life medical workers who don’t want to be involved in abortions.

The Protect Life Act makes it clear that no funds authorized or appropriated by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), including tax credits and cost-sharing reductions, may be used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage. It specifies that individual people or state or local governments must purchase a separate elective abortion rider or insurance coverage that includes elective abortion but only as long as that is done with private funds and not monies authorized by Obamacare.

The bill also specifies that insurance issuers may offer health plans that include elective abortion and may offer separate elective abortion riders, so long as they ensure PPACA funds are not used for premiums or administrative costs. The bill also clarifies that issuers who offer elective abortion coverage must also offer a qualified health benefits plan that is identical except that it does not cover elective abortion.

The pro-life measure also ensures that state laws “protecting conscience rights, restricting or prohibiting abortion or coverage or funding of abortion, or establishing procedural requirements on abortion” are not abrogated by Obamacare. It also makes it so any state or local governments receiving funding under Obamacare may not subject any health care entity to discrimination or require any health plan to subject any entity to discrimination on the basis that it refuses to undergo abortion training, refuses to require abortion training, refuses to perform or pay for abortions, or refuses to provide abortion referrals.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 07:02:07 am »

Pelosi Vows to Stand With Obama Against Catholic Church; Says Decision Forcing Catholics to Act Against Faith Was ‘Very Courageous’

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) vowedthat she will join with the Obama administration in standing up against the Catholic Church in defending a new regulation that will require Catholic individuals to buy, and Catholic institutions to provide, health insurance plans that cover sterili- zations and artificial contraceptives, including those that induce abortions. The Catholic church teaches that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortion are morally wrong and the Catholic bishops of the United States have argued that forcing a Catholic individual to purchase a health insurance plan that covers these things--or forcing a Catholic institution to provide such a plan--forces Catholics to act against their consciences and is a violation of the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion. In letters being read from the pulpit in Catholic parishes across the nation, Catholic bishops are saying: “We cannot—we will not—comply with this unjust law.” At her Wednesday press briefing,  Pelosi said:  “...I think it was a very courageous decision that they made..

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-vows-stand-obama-against-catholic-church-says-decision-forcing-catholics-act

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…In the interview [Italian newspaper Avvenire June 3], Cardinal Bertone also commented on Pope Benedict's recent remarks to reporters about the possible excommunication of Catholic politicians who support legislation to make abortion legal.

http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/automatic_excommunication_clarified.htm

ugh... maybe next time, yes?
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2016, 10:06:19 pm »

Nancy Pelosi claims she’s ‘with the…Catholic Church’ on abortion

After decades as a crusader against any restriction or regulation of abortion, Democratic Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi said yesterday, "I don’t believe in abortion on demand."

The House Minority Leader, who regularly earns a zero percent rating from the National Right to Life Committee, told Roll Call on Tuesday that she is "with the program" of the Catholic Church when it comes to abortion.

“I don’t believe in abortion on demand, I don’t believe in abortion on demand," she said, repeating herself, during a videotaped interview with Melinda Henneberger. "I don’t even like to use the word."

However, NARAL Pro-Choice America slammed the former Speaker's comments as “troubling,” “disappointing and ill-advised.”

"The Leader should stop using twisted GOP talking points about abortion and birth control. We don't know women who demand abortion or use abortion as birth control,” said Sasha Bruce, NARAL's senior vice president for campaigns and strategy. “We do know women who make thoughtful decisions about how and if they want to start a family, and who need access to all reproductive-health care services, including abortion.”

Elsewhere in the video, Pelosi seemed a bit sketchy on the present state of U.S. abortion law. When told abortion is available until the day of birth, she replied, “No, it is not."

While Roe v. Wade established the familiar trimester system, allowing for progressively greater regulation as the child develops, the Doe v. Bolton ruling Supreme Court justices released at the same time allows broad availability of abortion on the grounds of a mother's "health."

Pelosi, who has voted against a partial birth abortion ban and last year voted against a bill criminalizing abortionists who do not care for infants born alive during botched abortion, dismissed undercover videos recorded by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) by saying, "They're doctored."

Yet both analyses of the CMP footage - including the analysis paid for by Planned Parenthood - found that there had been "no evidence of substantive video manipulation" of the videos.

“I did not sit down and watch their doctored versions of what may have happened," Pelosi said of the CMP videos. "And I still say they’re doctored.”

She also proclaimed her Catholic faith during the interview in unusually strong terms, using the word "Catholic" four times in a matter of seconds. The San Francisco Democrat said she is "a Catholic - a devout, practicing Catholic" who comes from "a very Catholic family."

"I’m with the program in terms of the Catholic Church," she said.

But Pelosi had previously called abortion “sacred ground” and stated that the Catholic Church did not reject abortion until “like maybe 50 years or something like that.”

Of course, the Christian Church has rejected abortion since its founding.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/nancy-pelosi-i-dont-support-abortion-on-demand
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