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This is an email going around, I received it, it is advice from Rick Warren

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« on: March 24, 2011, 06:30:03 pm »

I called the person I received it from immediately and explained to them how very apostate Rick Warren is.

 



 
You will enjoy the new insights that Rick Warren has, with his wife now having cancer and him having 'wealth' from the book sales. This is an absolutely incredible short interview with Rick Warren,  'Purpose Driven Life ' author and pastor of Saddleback Church in California .
In the interview by Paul Bradshaw with Rick Warren, Rick said:   
People ask me, What is the purpose of life?   
And I respond: In a nutshell, life is preparation for eternity. We were not made to last forever, and God wants us to be with Him in Heaven.   
One day my heart is going to stop, and that will be the end of my body-- but not the end of me   
I may live 60 to 100 years on earth, but I am going to spend trillions of years in eternity. This is the warm-up act - the dress rehearsal. God wants us to practice on earth what we will do forever in eternity..   
We were made by God and for God, and until you figure that out, life isn't going to make sense.   
Life is a series of problems: Either you are in one now, you're just coming out of one, or you're getting ready to go into another one.   
The reason for this is that God is more interested in your character than your comfort; God is more interested in making your life holy than He is in making your life happy.   
We can be reasonably happy here on earth, but that's not the goal of life. The goal is to grow in character, in Christ likeness.   
This past year has been the greatest year of my life but also the toughest, with my wife, Kay, getting cancer.   
I used to think that life was hills and valleys - you go through a dark time, then you go to the mountaintop, back and forth. I don't believe that anymore.   
Rather than life being hills and valleys, I believe that it's kind of like two rails on a railroad track, and at all times you have something good and something bad in your life..   
No matter how good things are in your life, there is always something bad that needs to be worked on.   
And no matter how bad things are in your life, there is always something good you can thank God for.
You can focus on your purposes, or you can focus on your problems:   
If you focus on your problems, you're going into self-centeredness, which is my problem, my issues, my pain.' But one of the easiest ways to get rid of pain is to get your focus off yourself and onto God and others.   
We discovered quickly that in spite of the prayers of hundreds of thousands of people, God was not going to heal Kay or make it easy for her- It has been very difficult for her, and yet God has strengthened her character, given her a ministry of helping other people, given her a testimony, drawn her closer to Him and to people.   
You have to learn to deal with both the good and the bad of life.   
Actually, sometimes learning to deal with the good is harder. For instance, this past year, all of a sudden, when the book sold 15 million copies, it made me instantly very wealthy.   
It also brought a lot of notoriety that I had never had to deal with before. I don't think God gives you money or notoriety for your own ego or for you to live a life of ease.
So I began to ask God what He wanted me to do with this money, notoriety and influence. He gave me two different passages that helped me decide what to do, II Corinthians 9 and Psalm 72.   
First, in spite of all the money coming in, we would not change our lifestyle one bit... We made no major purchases.   
Second, about midway through last year, I stopped taking a salary from the church.   
Third, we set up foundations to fund an initiative we call The Peace Plan to plant churches, equip leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick, and educate the next generation.   
Fourth, I added up all that the church had paid me in the 24 years since I started the church, and I gave it all back. It was liberating to be able to serve God for free.   
We need to ask ourselves: Am I going to live for possessions? Popularity?   
Am I going to be driven by pressures? Guilt? Bitterness? Materialism? Or am I going to be driven by God's purposes (for my life)?   
When I get up in the morning, I sit on the side of my bed and say, God, if I don't get anything else done today, I want to know You more and love You better. God didn't put me on earth just to fulfill a to-do list. He's more interested in what I am than what I do.   
That's why we're called human beings, not human doings.   
Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.   
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.   
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.   
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.   
Every moment, THANK GOD..   
If you do not pass it on, nothing will happen. But it will just be nice to pass it on to a friend....just like I have done.   
God's Blessings
HE ARRIVED THIS MORNING, WE HAD PRAYER; SPENT SOME TIME JUST TALKING, AND HE HELD ME FOR AWHILE BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A BAD MORNING.. THEN, HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO YOUR PLACE.

When He gets to your PC, escort Him to the next stop. Please don't allow Him to sleep on your PC. The message He is carrying is very important and needs to go round. May God bless you as you do this- AMEN.
                                                   


 

 
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 07:09:58 pm »

As usual, Warren is very cunning with his words to make it sound like he's getting out some gospel message, but he NEVER says anything about the CROSS, and what Jesus did there to pay for all of our sin debt in full. He never talks about repentence, and the grave sinners we are, and how we need a Saviour being the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also - he brags WAY too much about his alms-giving. Matthew 7 specifically says don't even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

BTW - did you know he fought with the IRS back in the 90's, b/c he thought it was unfair that clergy members couldn't write off their entire home mortgage payments?(ie-he initially cheated on his taxes by writing all of it off, then it went to the courts, until Congress almost unanimously passed a law allowing clergy members this years later) I wonder why he never talks about this? Or even repents of this?

http://www.newsreview.com/reno/newsview/blogs/post?oid=901113

Rick Warren's 'unlimited' tax loophole

Rick Warren’s role in the Obama inauguration has thrown a good deal of attention on his other activities, and a piece in the Nation by University of California, Irvine, history professor Jon Wiener is getting a lot of attention. Wiener reports that Warren “had his income tax returns audited in 1996. When the IRS tried to collect the taxes it claimed he owed, Warren went to court. Congress then passed a law granting Warren’s tax deduction, pre-empting the US Court of Appeals from even taking up the case against him. The votes in the House and Senate were unanimous.”

Not many ordinary folks get that kind of service from Congress.

Wiener: “The IRS permits members of the clergy to claim exemptions for their housing. At the time of Warren’s audit the amount claimed had to be ‘reasonable’—it shouldn’t exceed the fair market value for the rental of the home. That 1996 audit concluded that Warren was deducting more than that–the IRS said he owed it $55,300. Warren challenged the IRS in tax court, arguing that his housing exemption should be unlimited. The facts were simple: in 1993 Warren deducted $77,663, his entire Saddleback Church salary that year, as a housing expense—and paid no taxes at all on that salary. In addition, he claimed a deduction for his mortgage expenses—even though they had been covered by the salary. He made similar claims in subsequent tax returns. Warren spent four years defending his housing deduction in tax court; in May 2000 he won. The court struck down the IRS’s ‘reasonable’ clergy-housing cap and accepted Warren’s argument that his housing claim could be unlimited. The IRS appealed, and since Warren lives in California, the case went to the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit…”

At this point, the issue took on a new line of inquiry. The Ninth Circuit wanted an additional question addressed, of whether the exemption was a violation of the religious establishment clause of the first amendment, and appointed legal scholar Erwin Chemerinsky to examine that topic. Chemerinsky reported to the court that the exemption was a government subsidy of religion that was barred by the first amendment. At that point, Congress intervened.

In a series on religious tax loopholes in 2006, the New York Times reported, “The tax break is not available to the staff at secular nonprofit organizations whose scale and charitable aims compare to those of religious ministries like Pastor Warren’s church, or to poorly paid inner-city teachers and day care workers who also serve their communities. The housing deduction is one of several tax breaks that leave extra money in the pockets of clergy members and their religious employers. Ministers of every faith are also exempt from income tax withholding and can opt out of Social Security. And every state but one exempts religious employers from paying state unemployment taxes—reducing the employers’ payroll expenses but also leaving their workers without unemployment benefits if they are laid off.”

It was possible, Wiener writes, for Congress to protect the traditional loophole for “pastorages” without sanctioning Warren’s unlimited grab: “The bill could have established the ‘reasonable’ standard the IRS sought for the exemption without letting Warren off the hook. Or Congress could have waited to see what the courts would decide about the constitutionality of the exemption before acting on it. Instead, Rick Warren posed as a defender of clergy of all faiths against a godless left-wing court. Not even the most progressive members of Congress were willing to stand up to him–not Ted Kennedy, Paul Wellstone, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank. Obama’s invitation to Warren is dismaying, but this history may make it more comprehensible.”

The vote in Congress was on House Resolution 4156, the “Clergy Housing Allowance Clarification Act” of 2002. It was voted on in the U.S. House of Representatives on April 16, 2002, just six days after it was introduced! House members from Nevada voted this way:

Shelley Berkley [D]: Yes
James Gibbons [R]: Yes

The House passed the measure 408 to 199 with 26 not voting (a 2/3 vote was required). 206 Republicans and 199 Democrats voted for the bill.

In the Senate, there was no roll call vote—it was passed by unanimous consent. However, there is a method for senators to signal their opposition if they wish. Any senator could have objected to unanimous consent, which would have stopped the bill in its tracks. Neither Harry Reid or John Ensign did so, letting it slip through the senate without a fight.

What is not clear is why the court case was halted. While the congressional action mooted the portion of the court case dealing with the clergy housing cap, the issue of the United States government subsidizing religion was a constitutional one and could not be dealt with by statute change. Plans were announced to continue the case on that basis, but seem to have ended. If I find what happened to it I will add a post here.

 

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2011, 07:19:13 pm »

One more thing - here's the low-down dirty truth of his "90% tithe giving" - it's ONLY his BOOK SALES, which is his SECONDARY INCOME that he gives it off of. Otherwise, he makes much more when he attends seminars, conferences, makes tv appearances, etc.

Funny how he's really putting on a show to make his followers think he's making himself a poor man to sacrifice himself for them. But as time went on, somehow, he came up with $3m over the next 3 years to build additional Saddleback campuses.

He hasn't acted alone(there's also Bill Hybels, Tony Jones, Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, etc in the Emergent Church as well), but you can't deny the damage he's done to the (modern day) church with all the leaven he brought in, and how he convinced these fellow pastors to build $1m buildings in order to increase their pews and run their churches like modern day corporations.
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