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« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2012, 10:10:02 pm »

I'm on saintsalive.com's email list(Ed Decker, a former Mormon, runs this site - for those of you that have seen Pinto's 4 part series "Secret History of America's Beginnings", you probably remember him in a couple of the parts). Not that I endorse Decker's ministry, but nonetheless some of what he says in his last email newsletter is alarming concerning Churchianity...

Saints Alive and The Decker Report November, 2012

Dear friends,

I will try to make this short and to the point.  I have taken a different direction in my radio programming for the rest of the year. I will describe the new programming below in my message.

As we all now know, all the hype of the elections has brought us a continuation of the last four years and while Romney was defeated, the LDS church has made huge gains in their acceptability as a regular Christian group.   

They have reworked their missionary program to now take kids right out of high school instead of giving them a few extra years to mature

According to their own PR, this means that there will be up to 100,000 Mormon missionaries roaming the street of the world, bringing their message of false doctrine to the world.

In one news article, the LDS spokesperson stated that now was the time to take advantage of the "Mormon Moment" of national acceptability and hit the streets in the USA while people wanted to know more about Romney's faith.

This means we will be busier than ever responding to the folks who want to know more about what they "Really" believe.

If I said that we can really use some people to partner with us financially and in prayer, it would be a very real understatement.

Would you pray about helping us in the ministry outreach to those lost in spiritual darkness? It is a heavy load to carry. We need your help today.

Your brother in Christ,

Ed Decker

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Again, I don't endorse everything Decker said here, but Churchianity made a big mistake by openly embracing Romney, and putting the leaven of politics over the word of God. It was one thing to endorse Bush II, but this particular case is much different and far worse.

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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2012, 07:55:20 pm »

I know the election is long over, but especially with the attitude Churchianity showed before the election, this thing isn't going away anytime soon(and for that matter too, just from reading posts from various popular mainstream Christian/end times boards, it's pretty disturbing how they're continueing to mock Obama voters while justifying themselves voting for Romney)...

Mormon Ad Campaign Could Confuse Christians, Ex-Mormon Warns

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is on a mission to win the hearts and minds of the American people. A new ad campaign was launched in New York City’s Times Square last week with the intention of rebranding the Mormon faith as “normal.”

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mormons-reject-the-weird-stereotype-with-ad-campaign-51447/


Mormons see bright side to election despite Mitt Romney’s defeat


Mitt Romney might not have won, but he demonstrated that being a Mormon, like her, was no barrier to winning the nation’s highest office.

“His faith was not a factor in the election at all. Maybe that means that people are beginning to realize that Mormons are more mainstream than they thought,” she said.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/14/mormons-see-bright-side-election-despite-mitt-romn/?aff=mynews3

A new era

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has entered a new era after Romney’s run for president.

Romney campaign a win for Mormons

No one would argue that prejudice and misunderstanding have disappeared.

But Mormons no longer stand alone against insults to their church; leaders of other faiths join them in protest. Christians who once spoke about Mormonism only to condemn it now also acknowledge the church’s dedication to family, charity and community service.

Until recently, prominent Christian preachers risked their standing in their communities by appearing at the Salt Lake Tabernacle. That backlash has since diminished. And ministries such as the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association are discouraging conservative Christians from calling the LDS church a cult, a theological term with a specific meaning for Christians that morphed over the years into a broad rebuke.

“I think this change in tone is significant, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the long run,” said J.B. Haws, a historian at Brigham Young University who researches public perception of the LDS church.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/free/20121121romney-campaign-win-for-mormons.html

Romney's campaign helped America accept Mormonism, reporter says

Coppins told KSL Newsradio he believes the so-called "Mormon moment" is far from over - that the impact of Romney's campaign could well be that what was once "weird" to those who are unfamiliar with the LDS faith is now accepted as part of the mainstream.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22978183&nid=148&title=romneys-campaign-helped-america-accept-mormonism-reporter-says&s_cid=queue-21
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“His faith was not a factor in the election at all. Maybe that means that people are beginning to realize that Mormons are more mainstream than they thought,” she said.

Uh, lady, it would be best to not believe your cult's own rhetoric! His faith was and is a negative factor, and people do realize that Mormons's are nuts and not Christian. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2014, 11:20:45 pm »

http://theweek.com/article/index/265740/speedreads-mitt-romney-2016-theres-a-movement-afoot-to-make-it-happen-says-gop-governor
Mitt Romney 2016? There's a 'movement afoot' to make it happen, says GOP governor
8/3/14

Third time's the charm?

With the midterm elections almost upon us, the 2016 guessing game is kicking into high gear. And in the latest iteration, The Washington Post reports Sunday that Mitt Romney is quietly emerging as a top GOP campaign surrogate this year and thus raising speculation that he will throw his hat into the ring once more.

Despite Romney's insistence he won't run again, his loaded schedule has his old backers "yearning for him to give it a go and arguing that he would be a stronger candidate than last time."

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead (R), whom Romney recently endorsed for reelection, said in an interview that Romney remains the GOP's best hope of winning back the White House.

Asked whether he and other Republican officials are coalescing around Romney as a 2016 favorite, Mead said: "There is a movement afoot. . . . I'd tell him, 'Governor Romney, people here in Wyoming and around the country would encourage you to take another look at it.'" [The Washington Post]

The Romney 2016 speculation has percolated since last year, though it's gained momentum of late as other potential GOP candidates fizzled or became embroiled in scandal. A few admittedly early polls have found Romney running competitively in a GOP primary too, further fueling speculation he would be a formidable candidate should he run again.
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« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2014, 08:00:18 am »

If they yet again put Romney out there, then that probably means they want Hillary as their next puppet-in-chief(and this country will have a Jezebel President).

With that being said - don't be surprised if the 2016 GOP candidate is a sodomite.(and the Apostate Church will blindly promote him like they did with Romney and the Bushes)
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Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney will team up with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for a fundraiser benefiting the New Jersey Republican Party next month, sources familiar with the plans say - @PoliticalTicker
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Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney will team up with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for a fundraiser benefiting the New Jersey Republican Party next month, sources familiar with the plans say - @PoliticalTicker
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Ever since the ecumenical "religious right" formed...

Ronald Reagan - re-established ties with the Vatican, and appointed pro-abortion USSC justices Sandra Day O'Conner and Anthony Kennedy

George HW Bush - Former CIA director, nuff said

George W. Bush - Former Skull and Bonesman who openly said on national tv that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Appointed pro-abortion USSC justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito. And greenlighted Rick Warren's Global P.E.A.C.E. plan and AIDS activist program.

John McCain - they went from exposing him as a non-Christian, to rallying behind him all of a sudden in 2008 like he was some conservative, patriot born-again Christian.

Mitt Romney - After going for SO long of being adament that they wouldn't support a Mormon...they eventually DID, and whole heartedly at that! AND...Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare!

Talk about the rotten fruits of the Apostate Church in this potential last stretch since 1980 by pushing this Republicanism agenda!
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« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2014, 04:28:13 pm »

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/58407521-90/authors-become-church-democrats.html.csp
9/15/14
 Mormons’ close-knit nature, values drive them to GOP
Republicans can count on LDS vote more than nearly any demographic.


Since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, Mormon voters have become more and more ensconced in the Republican Party, to the point that today they represent the most reliable, cohesive bloc of voters for the GOP of nearly any demographic.

The reason for the shift, argue three scholars in a new book on the topic, is that Mormons live in a tight-knit, insular subculture that sets itself at odds with the evolving social norms and shares conservative social values.
 
Since the 1960s, cultural politics have focused on patriotism, gender roles, the sexual revolution, abortion, same-sex marriage, religion and race.

"On each one, Mormons hold conservative attitudes that over time have come to align much more closely with the Republican Party," argue authors David Campbell of Notre Dame University, John C. Green from the University of Akron and Quin Monson of LDS Church-owned Brigham Young University in their new book, "Seeking the Promised Land."

The authors traced the evolution of Mormon politics — from a time when church founder Joseph Smith ran his own presidential campaign, through a period of isolation after the Mormons’ flight to Utah, to a re-entry into the political system after statehood when Mormons leaned to the Democrats, and up to the 2012 election, when a member of the faith, Mitt Romney, was the Republican nominee.

According to their research, 65 percent of Mormons identify as Republicans, and the figure is even higher — 79 percent — for those who are "very active" in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"There is no reason to think the lock that the Republican Party has had on the Mormon vote is going to change in the short to medium term," Campbell said in an interview. "The reason I say that is because I think one of our interesting findings in the book is young Mormons are more likely to be Republican than old Mormons."



Age and political leaning » That statistic bucks the general trend. In fact, the research showed that Latter-day Saints over age 65 are much more likely than younger ones to be Democrats — a holdover from their politically formative years when Mormons split their votes among Republicans and Democrats.

Fifty-one percent of Mormons over age 65 are Republicans, compared to 69 percent of those under 30.
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http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-leads-in-new-hampshire-141442505.html
Mitt Romney leads GOP field in New Hampshire by 19 points: poll
Former Massachusetts governor also has best chance against Hillary Clinton

11/24/14

Mitt Romney has said repeatedly he has no interest in running for president in 2016. But if a new poll of likely Republican primary voters in New Hampshire is any indication, he may want to reconsider.

According to the results of a Bloomberg Politics/Saint Anselm survey released Monday, Romney leads all other possible GOP contenders by nearly 20 points. The 2012 GOP nominee would get 30 percent of the vote in the key battleground state, the poll found. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is second, at 11 percent, while New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie sits in third at 9 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush fourth at 8 percent. Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, Romney's running mate in 2016, is tied for sixth with just 5 percent of the vote — or roughly the margin of error (+/- 4.9 percent) of the poll.

The results indicate the former Massachusetts governor still has strong name recognition among Granite State voters. Romney, who won the 2012 New Hampshire primary, went on to win the GOP nomination, losing to President Barack Obama in the general election.

"I'm not running," Romney told Bloomberg Politics last month. "I'm not planning on running, and I got nothing new on that story."

When Romney is removed from the potential list of GOP candidates, Paul and Christie share the lead at 16 percent, with Bush in third (14 percent) and Dr. Ben Carson, a retired Detroit neurosurgeon, in fourth at 9 percent.

“Some of that is Rand Paul and a lot of it is Ron Paul,” Tom Rath, former New Hampshire attorney general, said in a release accompanying the poll results. Rand Paul's father, Ron Paul, finished second in the 2012 New Hampshire primary.

“He inherits a substantial block of voters from his father," Rath said.

While Christie sits with Paul atop a Romney-less field in New Hampshire, the New Jersey governor's brash style of politics could be why he's not alone.

“It's that aspect of the persona that has given people some pause,” Rath said. “It's an issue you hear come up with people.”

On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton leads all potential candidates a wide margin. Clinton, at 62 percent, has a 46-point edge on Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who received just 16 percent of the vote. Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders — who says he's considering a run for the White House as a Democrat — is third at 6 percent, with Vice President Joe Biden (5 percent) in fourth.

Polling New Hampshire voters for a hypothetical general election, Clinton also leads all potential Republican candidates among New Hampshire voters. But Romney would have the best chance against Clinton, trailing the former secretary of state by just one percentage point (45 percent to Clinton's 46 percent).
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http://news.yahoo.com/romney-tells-donors-mulling-2016-white-house-run-215921309.html
Romney tells donors he is mulling 2016 White House run
1/9/15

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Mitt Romney, the Republican U.S. presidential nominee in 2012, told a meeting of donors on Friday that he is considering another White House run in 2016, a source familiar with the comments said.

The former Massachusetts governor told a small group of donors in New York that he was thinking about running and to "tell your friends" he was considering it, the source said.

The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the comments, said Romney did not give a timetable for making a decision about whether to launch what would be his third presidential campaign.

Romney failed to win the nomination in 2008 then lost the general election to President Barack Obama in 2012.

Romney's statement comes as some of the party's top donors begin to line up behind former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who said in December he would actively explore a presidential run. If Romney entered the race, he would be competing with Bush for many of the party's most established major donors.

Romney has equivocated about another presidential campaign in his public comments, going from absolutely ruling it out after his 2012 loss to sending more mixed signals recently. The comments in New York appear to be his most open admission that he is seriously considering it.

The Journal said one of the attendees at the meeting asked Romney if he wanted to be president, and he said "yes, of course."

Romney's entrance in the race would dramatically reshape what promises to be a crowded and competitive field. Polls show him at or near the top of the Republican race along with Bush.

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee left his Fox News show over the weekend to ponder a bid. Senators Rand Paul of Kentucky, Ted Cruz of Texas and Marco Rubio of Florida, along with Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Ohio Governor John Kasich, are other possible candidates.

There remains great skepticism among key Republican Party figures that Romney, 67, will actually run, however. "I just think a lot of the money has already drifted away to other candidates," a former Romney adviser said.

Many Romney donors said after Bush's announcement that Romney would be less likely to launch a campaign now, since he and Bush would compete for the same support.
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Glenn Beck Channels Mormon Prophecy in Utah for Cruz: ‘Body of the Priesthood’ Will ‘Stand Up When the Constitution Hangs by a Thread’

Radio host Glenn Beck spoke at a rally in Utah today for presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)
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, who is running for re-election. Beck, a Mormon convert, made an overtly religious pitch to the largely Mormon audience at the rally.

“I want to speak to you about something that may be controversial. And it’s not something that I have said when I have been out for Ted [Cruz] and now Mike [Lee]. But it’s something that this crowd needs to hear – that Utah needs to hear. The body of the priesthood is known to stand up when the Constitution hangs by a thread,” Beck said.

“I am a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints,” he explained. “What attracted me was not only the truth of the message, but also the people like President [Harold B.] Lee and President [Ezra Taft] Benson who knew exactly who we were – knew who we were as a country,” Beck said, naming prominent past presidents of the LDS Church.

“I joined many times. What held me through was the prophesy that the Constitution will hang by a thread, and this People would remember what our Founders did. It is our responsibility to stand for the Constitution,” Beck said.

At this point, Ted Cruz and the audience gave Beck a standing ovation.

The famous Mormon prophecy Beck was referring to is known as the “White Horse Prophesy,” which was purportedly made by the Mormon founder Joseph Smith in 1843.

In the prophecy, Smith allegedly told the Mormon faithful that at some point in the future: “You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.” Smith then allegedly claimed that at that future date, “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Generations of Mormons – from Brigham Young to Glenn Beck – have repeatedly used that phrase about the Constitution hanging by “a thread” to signal their belief in Smith’s prophecy or some variation thereof, in which the Mormon faithful will play a key role in defending the Constitution.

As Pat Bagley explained in the Salt Lake Tribune, from the earliest days of the LDS Church, Mormons “considered themselves the last Real Americans, the legitimate heirs of the pilgrims and Founding Fathers. And, they believed, the very survival of the Constitution depended on the Saints. From Smith on, LDS leaders prophesied the Constitution would one day hang by a thread, only to be saved by Mormons.”

Beck has long been a proponent of the “White Horse Prophecy,” but rarely has he so explicitly expressed his faith in it publicly as he did today in Utah.

The leadership of the LDS Church, for its part, has distanced itself from the prophecy. An official statement on the LDS website in 2011 declared: “The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine.”

However, for Beck, there seems to be no ambiguity. He opened up candidly about his Mormon faith, at one point saying:

“I want to tell you this. Another thing I shouldn’t say, but I’m going to. I believe in the Book of Mormon. I don’t know about you guys. But I believe in the Book of Mormon. And that was written for a time to tell people what it would look like when it was all coming undone — so His People, who were called by His name, could humble themselves and He would heal our land. I believe in that. The question is: do you believe in that? Prepare for a time of miracles.”

Throughout the primary campaign Beck has chastised Christians for not supporting Cruz’s candidacy. He lodged this criticism again before the crowd in Utah: “There are many people of many faiths – good friends of mine — that are standing with the Constitution. But there are also many Christians who are failing in their duty.”

Beck closed by referencing what he characterized as a “prophecy of George Washington.”

He told the Utah audience: “This is the role you play. I testify to you right now. The role you play – you are fulfilling the prophecy of George Washington when he stood at the Constitutional Convention at that Philadelphia moment and he said, ‘Let’s raise a standard to which the wise and the honest will run to.’ That is you. That is your responsibility. Vote for Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. God bless you.”

Watch the full video of Beck’s rally remarks below:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/19/glenn-beck-rallies-for-cruz-in-utah-quotes-mormon-prophecy-body-of-the-priesthood-will-stand-up-when-the-constitution-hangs-by-a-thread-i-bel/
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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2016, 06:44:57 pm »

Looks like their little "prophecy" is making a "comeback" (especially with Romney making noise recently).
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/09/william-kristol-calls-trump-semi-successful-seeks-romney-run.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=103617919
5/9/16
William Kristol calls Trump 'semi-successful,' seeks Romney run

William Kristol, founder and longtime editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, said Monday he underestimated Donald Trump, but still believes the presumptive GOP presidential nominee is not fit for the White House.

Trump is not qualified because of his "character and temperament," the neoconservative Kristol told CNBC's "Squawk Box."

Calling Trump a "semi-successful businessman," Kristol said House Speaker Paul Ryan's reluctance to support the billionaire real estate mogul should give voters pause.

Ryan, the 2012 vice presidential candidate, said last week he was not ready to get behind Trump. Trump, in turn, refused to rule out blocking Ryan from serving as the GOP convention's chairman. The two are set to meet this Thursday.

Kristol said he does not want Democrat Hillary Clinton to become president either. "We don't need a binary choice. The system is set up to allow independent candidates to get on the ballot."

Kristol confirmed he held a meeting with Mitt Romney last week to try to draft the 2012 Republican presidential nominee to run this year as an independent or support another third-party candidate.

Romney, while critical of Trump, has said he won't run. In March, Romney delivered a blistering anti-Trump speech, attacking the candidate's temperament, proposals, and adherence to the truth.

For his part, Trump on Sunday noted his support of Romney's 2012 bid for the presidency, saying the former Massachusetts governor is "ungrateful."

On Friday, former GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush wrote in a Facebook post: "In November, I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, but I will support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels."

Over the weekend, Trump called Bush out for abandoning a pledge he signed to support the GOP nominee. Trump in September signed the same Republican National Committee pledge.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-utah-mormons-morality-dilemma-2016/index.html
10/14/16
Morality and politics: The story of Utah's Mormons in 2016

Salt Lake City (CNN)Utah Republican State Sen. Dan Thatcher sees the 2016 election in dire terms.

"It's like choosing between getting shot or poisoned," he said in a back hall of the Utah State Capitol building. "We know that Hillary Clinton is the worst, most horrifying and certainly lethal poison known to man. If we vote for Hillary Clinton, we will die in excruciating agony."

"With Donald Trump, we know we're going to get shot. We just don't know where."

Less than one month out, Thatcher is undecided.

The struggle to accept Trump as the leader of the Republican Party is no more challenging anywhere in America than it is here, where roughly 60% of Utahns are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

For so many, Trump offends their moral compass. Hillary Clinton offends their political compass. They are each, at the same time, the worst person in the world.

"He represents the 1980s ethos of materialism and greed; he is vulgar," said a high-ranking Republican staffer who requested anonymity because he works for many elected officials and didn't want to be seen as speaking for them. "He's filled with self-centered pride, which is modern-day idol worshiping.

"Everything he does is the antithesis of being Mormon."

Institutions line up against Trump
Nowhere in the nation does voters' distaste for both candidates feel as palpable. Voter registration tilts three-to-one in favor of Republicans. Still, the Salt Lake City Tribune endorsed Clinton.

Meanwhile, The Deseret News, a newspaper owned by the LDS church, called for Trump to drop out of the race, adding that it does "not believe Trump holds the ideals and values of this community."

The church strongly denies that the paper's op-ed is the official position of the institution, which remains neutral in political elections, but the message was clear: Mormons might want to think twice about the foul-mouthed real estate mogul.

Utah hasn't voted a Democrat into the White House since 1964, and yet, the Democrat this year is tied for the lead here. Barely half of all voters say they'll vote for either of the major party candidates.

The Kim Jong Un of American politics
A few miles up Route 15 in the quiet hills above the suburb of Bountiful, David Irvine is moving into his condo.

"Donald Trump strikes me as the Kim Jong Un of American politics," the 73-year-old attorney said. "He's volatile, he's temperamental, he is not capable of controlling anger. In that position (president), those seem to me to be vital characteristics."

Irvine looks like a sophomore-year political science professor. His bow tie suits him. He is a lifelong Republican and was once upon a time a county GOP chairman and state lawmaker.

For Irvine, morality trumps politics -- so Clinton trumps Trump.

It's not just Trump's personality that irks the lifelong Utah resident, but the cornerstone position of Trump's campaign -- his hardline stance on immigration -- is a belief that offends Irvine's Mormon heritage.

"The history of Mormons in Utah is one of persecution, one of being hunted down," he said. "That's a long, tragic story."

"There are a lot of people in Utah who are members of the Mormon faith, the Mormon Church, who are undocumented immigrants from who knows where. When Mr. Trump says, 'Deport them all. Build a wall. Tear up families. Kick them out. They're all criminals. They're all rapists. They're terrible, terrible people,' that's a really broad brush that I think most members of the Mormon Church, and many, many other faiths, find to be terribly, terribly offensive."

Morality vs. politics
Who is to say whether moral judgments should take precedence over political ones, or vice-versa? It's two faiths competing. Neither is remotely unimportant; neither can be dismissed.

"The church's own scripture, and teachings from the church leaders would suggest that one of the things that's paramount to consider when you are choosing a candidate is their morality -- their personal morality -- their level of honesty; that they need to be a good person, a good human being," said Quin Monson, a political science professor at Brigham Young University in Provo.

Monson isn't just a professor -- he's Mormon and has voted for Republicans his entire life, a streak that will end on November 8.

"Every time (Trump) chooses to interact publicly, he almost can't help but interact in a way that I think many Mormons, if not most Mormons, would find troubling and antithetical or opposite of who they are, who they are at least taught to be," he said.

Monson will vote for Clinton or for third-party candidate Evan McMullin, who is surging in the polls here, but who is on the ballot in less than a dozen states.

"I'm more confident than ever before that Donald Trump will lose Utah," Monson said.

'I am not electing an ecclesiastical leader'
Kathleen Anderson lives a bit further up in the Bountiful hills from David Irvine. A lifelong Republican as well, she's the president of the Utah Federation of Republican Women.

Unlike Irvine, she has a Trump yard sign -- a new one because the first was vandalized with spray paint.

Anderson's family converted to the LDS church when she was seven years old, and she calls it "a good fit" for her. She's more forgiving of Trump's style and moral compass than other Mormons.

"Donald Trump probably does not espouse all of my values," she said. "However, I am not electing an ecclesiastical leader at this point. I'm electing a leader for this country who can write policies that have gone astray."

Anderson knows other members of her faith are morally repulsed by Trump.

"Some people might find him vulgar, offensive, greedy. Many other qualities that are reprehensible."

But, she said, "I think to hold everyone to the same standard is incorrect and unfair. I was most likely raised with a different set of values than Donald Trump was."

"When we make a mistake, we very much want other people to grant us mercy, or grace, or forgiveness," Anderson said. "When they do, we are so appreciative of that. Yet, it is so easy, it appears, for people to not extend that same grace or mercy, or forgiveness, to someone else who has made a mistake. Rather, we pass this judgment, and I don't think that judgment is always fair."

The agony
Back at the state capitol, Thatcher sounds like he is already in excruciating agony.

"Voting for Hillary Clinton, to my mind, is morally repugnant," he said. "Voting for Donald Trump, in my mind, is morally repugnant. And I am still not sure which one's worse."

But will Trump hold off Clinton and win?

"50-50," he said.
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« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2016, 12:06:57 pm »

This freak show continues to get worse by the moment! Remember when Romney stabbed Trump in the back not too long ago?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-may-discuss-secretary-of-state-job-with-critic-romney-reuters-source/ar-AAkqZBC?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Trump may discuss secretary of state job with critic Romney-Reuters source

NEW YORK, Nov 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump planned a Saturday meeting with Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee and fierce Trump critic, and may discuss whether he should be a candidate for secretary of state, a source familiar with the meeting said on Thursday.

Trump already has a lengthy list of potential candidates for the post of top U.S. diplomat, including former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, U.S. Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, and South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, who met Trump on Thursday.

Trump, a former reality TV star, has shown a flair for the dramatic in his deliberations over his Cabinet, saying only he knows who "the finalists" are.

Corker told CNN on Wednesday he was "in the mix" for the position but that Trump might pick someone who was closer to him during the presidential campaign. He met on Thursday in Washington with Vice President-elect Mike Pence.

Trump's expected meeting with Romney amounts to an olive branch of sorts to one of his sharpest critics. Romney, who in a speech in March called Trump "a phony, a fraud," urged Republicans to vote for anyone but the New York real estate magnate while the party was picking its presidential nominee.

Trump, in turn, used harsh rhetoric at times during his campaign to dismiss Romney as a failure who blew a chance in 2012 to defeat Democratic President Barack Obama, whom Trump felt was a weak opponent.

The source told Reuters that a broad discussion was expected during the meeting and that discussion about the secretary of state position was possible. The source had said earlier his understanding was that the meeting would occur on Sunday.

Asked about the meeting, Trump senior adviser Kellyanne Conway suggested it was still being arranged. "We're working on it," she said.

'TRUMP WILL MAKE DECISION'

"I think it's good that the president-elect is meeting with people like Mr. Romney," U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, one of Trump's closest confidants and a potential nominee for defense secretary, told reporters at Manhattan's Trump Tower.

Sessions sounded far from certain Romney would be offered a job.

"There are a lot of talented people that he (Trump) needs good relationships with. And I think Mr. Romney would be quite capable of doing a number of things. But he will be one of those, I am sure, that's reviewed. Donald Trump will make that decision," Sessions said.

When Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, opted out of running for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, people close to him suggested that serving as secretary of state might be appealing to him if a Republican won the presidency.

A steady stream of potential Trump administration hires made their way through the lobby of Trump Tower to meet with either Trump or officials close to him.

All indicated a willingness to serve, such as Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican who is chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Financial Services Committee. He is a potential treasury secretary in the Trump administration.

"I stand ready to help the president in any capacity possible. I've got a great position in public policy today, if he wants to talk to me obviously, about serving somewhere else, we'll look at serving somewhere else," he told reporters.
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« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2016, 08:30:22 pm »

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/24/donald-trump-adviser-kellyanne-conway-weighs-in-on-romney-as-head-of-state-department.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104128201&yptr=yahoo
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Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway weighs in on Romney as head of State Department

Kellyanne Conway weighed in on Twitter about Mitt Romney on Thursday, and she didn't have a lot to say in favor of the would-be secretary of state.

Conway, who served as Donald Trump's campaign manager and remains a close adviser to the president-elect, said she is getting a "deluge of social media" and private communications about Romney, whose name has been floated to head the State Department under a Trump Administration but whose loyalty has been called into question by Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and others.

    @KellyannePolls: Receiving deluge of social media & private comms re: Romney Some Trump loyalists warn against Romney as sec of state

Conway then immediately posted a checklist for the three attributes that she believes make a good secretary of state, one of which was that they should be "loyal."

    @KellyannePolls: Kissinger & Schultz as Secs of State flew around the world less, counseled POTUS close to home more. And were loyal. Good checklist.

Romney was fiercely critical of Trump during the election campaign, but some market-watchers have suggested that stocks could get a pop if he were named to Trump's cabinet.
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Trump-Romney relationship echoes history

(CNN)A President-elect stuns the political world by picking his onetime archenemy to become a member of his Cabinet. The two men had been public rivals, and the new president could not forget the slights his nemesis had inflicted -- including initially refusing to release his delegates to the nominee at the party convention -- but he gives him the Cabinet post anyway.

That president was Richard Nixon. His enemy? George Romney. And the appointment happened nearly half a century ago. Mitt Romney was 21 years old when his father agreed to join Nixon's Cabinet after the 1968 election.

And so here we are, 48 years later, as President-elect Trump considers picking his antagonist for secretary of state. Sure, it's too simple to say that history might be repeating itself.

After all, George Romney became Nixon's secretary of Housing and Urban Development, a far cry from the status of his son's potential position. And there was a sense that while Nixon was looking for a more moderate, establishment type to round out his administration (as may be the case with Trump) he also privately saw the appointment as a put-down -- a sinecure from which Romney, his onetime rival, might never emerge.

Not so with this Romney. The job he's being considered for is arguably the most coveted spot in any administration. High profile. High wire. High impact.

There was a time, last March to be exact, when Romney was full of invective about Trump -- labeling him a con man, predicting a Trump presidency would diminish America's "prospects for a safe and prosperous future."

It was eerily similar to what his father had done when he walked out on the nomination of Barry Goldwater at the 1964 GOP convention. Afterward, Romney penned a public letter decrying Goldwater's ideology as something that could "lead to governmental crises and deadlocks." Four years later, George Romney's once promising presidential campaign failed but he resisted pledging support to Nixon before the roll call at the GOP convention. Until then, his refusal to back the likely nominee was seen as a key to the "stop Nixon" effort.

Like father, like son.

It makes a lot of sense that Trump loyalists worry about a rogue Romney, given the fact that he was an original NeverTrumper. Or that he and the President-elect hardly see eye to eye on foreign policy -- including how to treat Russia and trading partners.

A Trump-Romney alliance takes the notion of a "Team of Rivals" to a whole new level. Yet in many ways, the critics' worries are just like those of the Obama loyalists in 2008 about Hillary Clinton as secretary of state: Will the secretary toe the line? Or will there be a separate power center over at Foggy Bottom? Would Romney rebel?

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12/14/16
Ronna Romney McDaniel tapped to lead RNC

(CNN)Ronna Romney McDaniel is President-elect Donald Trump's choice to become the Republican National Committee chair next year, the RNC said Wednesday.

Romney McDaniel, who is currently the chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party and the niece of 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, will succeed current RNC chair Reince Priebus, who has been tapped to be Trump's chief of staff.

"I'm excited to have a highly effective leader in Ronna McDaniel as RNC deputy chair, and I look forward to her serving as the party's chairman in 2017," Trump said in a statement.

Republican National Committee members will need to ratify Romney McDaniel as the new chair when it meets in January, but it is tradition for the incoming president to choose the head of the national party.

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Christian filmmaker schools Mitt Romney about Bible

A Christian filmmaker has taken the time to define “bigotry” for Utah Senate candidate Mitt Romney after the Mormon politician issued a statement that appeared to demand that a Christian pastor express views that are non-Christian.

The dispute erupted in conjunction with the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, a move President Trump took to fulfill a campaign promise and carry out a federal law that had been waived for more than two decades.

Romney jumped onto social media to bash a Christian pastor, a Trump fan, who was selected by the president and his administration to deliver a prayer at the ceremony today in Jerusalem.

    Robert Jeffress says “you can’t be saved by being a Jew,“ and “Mormonism is a heresy from the pit of hell.” He’s said the same about Islam. Such a religious bigot should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States Embassy in Jerusalem.

    — Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) May 14, 2018

Romney blasted the Christian pastor, Robert Jeffress, over his beliefs.

“Robert Jeffress says ‘you can’t be saved by being a Jew,’ and ‘Mormonism is a heresy from the pit of hell.’ He’s said the same about Islam,” Romney charged. “Such a religious bigot should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States embassy in Jerusalem.”

Jeffress responded with a statement insisting his views are in accord with Christian teaching.

    Historic Christianity has taught for 2,000 years that salvation is through faith in Christ alone. The fact that I, along with tens of millions of evangelical Christians around the world, continue to espouse that belief, is neither bigoted nor newsworthy.

    — Dr. Robert Jeffress (@robertjeffress) May 14, 2018

“Historic Christianity has taught for 2,000 years that salvation is through faith in Christ alone. The fact that I, along with tens of millions of evangelical Christians around the world, continue to espouse that belief, is neither bigoted nor newsworthy,” Jeffress wrote.

Christian evangelist, author and advocate Ray Comfort, whose library of work includes “Hitler, God, and the Bible,” “Nothing Created Everything,” “Noah: The Real Story” and “You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence But You Can’t Make Him Think,” wondered about Romney’s own beliefs.

Comfort said in a statement Romney is “sadly mistaken.”

He said “tweets such as this can only cause more division in our government, and potentially cause division between Israel and the United States. ”

“If Mitt Romney knew the Scriptures, he would know that no one is saved by being a Jew. God saves by grace, not by race. I’m a Jew and trust alone in His grace. If Romney knew the Scriptures, he would know that the Jesus revealed in the Bible is not the brother of Lucifer, that God doesn’t live on a distant planet with multiple wives, and that we are not all going to eventually become gods. These are just some of the beliefs of the Mormon church – not doctrines that are found anywhere in the Bible.”

He urged Romney to watch a video of “a civil discourse” he had with a “very likeable Mormon” in Huntington Beach, California, just days ago.

“The God of the Jews provided one Jewish Savior who went first to the Jews, then the offer of eternal life went universal – to the Jews and to Gentiles. The biblical gospel is good news for Jews, Mormons, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, agnostics, etc. — ‘whosoever will may come,'” he said.

“Christianity is not bigotry. It’s just the opposite.”

Romney’s rebuke of Jeffress drew the attention of NBC, which described the pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas as “controversial.”

In response, Jeffress told the network Mormonism “has never been considered a part of historic Christianity.”

“People may disagree with that view, but it’s not a view unique to me.”

NBC criticized Jeffress for the comments about the Bible’s teaching that those who fail to follow Jesus will not go to heaven.

“While a staunch ally of the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Jeffress has been criticized for preaching that all non-Christians, including people who are Jewish, will not go to heaven,” the network said.

Jeffress said in a Feb. 6, 2017, video posted on his church’s website that “the truth everyone headed to hell has rejected is that Jesus Christ is the only means by which a person may be saved.”

“Jesus could not have been more clear [when] he said, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.'”

The network also pointed to other biblical beliefs Jeffress has expressed, such as Islam “is a false religion that is based on a false book that was written by a false prophet” and the “New Testament also prohibits homosexual marriage.”

ABC reported Jeffress’ prayer included, “I believe, Father, I speak for every one of us when I say we thank you every day that you have given us a president who boldly stands on the right side of history, but more importantly stands on the right side of you, God, when it comes to Israel.”

President Trump announced Dec. 6 that the U.S. would formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in accordance with a law passed overwhelmingly by Congress in 1994 that had been waived every six months by the president for national security considerations.

Social media comments ranged from “Spot On!” and “Hallelujah!!!” to “Mitt Rommney (sic) is using you to get his name back in the news,” with almost nothing in the middle.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/christian-filmmaker-ray-comfort-defines-bigotry-for-mitt-romney/
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