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These articles are from Kjos Ministries:     http://www.crossroad.to/index.html

"The story of Harry Potter is an allegory: It is written and packaged to look like fantasy when, in truth, it is a carefully written true description of the training and work of an initiate in an occult order." From The occult roots of Harry Potter magic

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1 (Movie Review)  2010
Harry' Potter and the Deathly Hallows (book review)
Harry's Last Battles & Rowling's Beliefs  Deathly Hallows, 2007
The Deadly Magic of  Potter Movies -- Not just fantasy!  Phoenix ,  2007
Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter movies   2001
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince  2005
Marketing the occult: Harry's impact on "Christian" values 2005
Movie Magic and Unconscious Learning 2001
Bewitched by Harry Potter  1999
The Power of Suggestion
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix  2003
Harry Potter and the Postmodern Church  2004
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 2002
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Using Alchemy to Teach Christianity?  2003
Harry Potter Lures Kids to Witchcraft - with praise from Christian leaders 1999
A New Twist on Potter, Pokemon and Popular Psychology  2000

Harry Potter Comments by visitors
How mysticism & the occult are changing the Church
Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism
The Invisible War
Preparing for Victory


Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter Movies
 
Berit Kjos - 2001

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone opened on November 16 at a record-breaking number of theaters across the country. "Christian" as well as public schools bussed their students to see the long awaited movie based on the first book in J. K. Rowling's ground-breaking series. Teachers are facilitating classroom discussions that train students to seek "common ground" and conform to an ever-changing group consensus.[2] While forbidding prayer in the name of Jesus, most schools seem to welcome spells and sorcery in the name of Harry Potter.

The pressure to participate in the fun and frenzy is intense. So what can a Christian child do in the midst of such hype, hypocrisy and popular wizardry?   

Those who know God can find answers in His Word. Consider this list of Biblical warnings and wisdom, then put on the Armor of God and pray that He lead you in His way.

1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil. He hates those practices because they blind us to His loving ways, then turn our hearts to a deceptive quest for self-empowerment and deadly thrills. Harry Potter's world may be fictional, but the timeless pagan practices it promotes are real and deadly. Well aware that the final result is spiritual bondage and oppression, He warns us:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12

2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its power to change beliefs and values. Imaginary (or virtual) experiences and well-written fantasies can affect the mind and memories as much, if not more, than actual experiences.[3] Designed to stir feelings and produce strong emotional responses, a well-planned myth with likeable characters can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily reality -- especially when reinforced through books, toys and games as well as movies. Small wonder Harry's fans have been counting the days until their next fantastic journey into Hogwarts' classes on sorcery, divination, potions and spells.

"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24

3. Each occult image and suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in this setting. Children identify with their favorite characters and learn to see wizards and witches from a popular peer perspective rather than from God's perspective. Those who sense that the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer pressure or rationalize their imagined participation in Harry's supernatural adventures.        The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift the child's perception of values from God's perspective to a more "comfortable" cultural adaptation. Even Christian children can easily learn to conform truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values upside down - just as did God's people in Old Testament days:

"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!"  Isaiah 5:2-21

4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what is good." (Romans 12:9) But when Christian children and teens love the Harry Potter myths, delight in the movie and read the books again and again, they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is evil. The natural next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and "abhor" what He calls good.

"You love evil more than good...." Psalm 52:3

5. Immersed in Hogwarts' beliefs and values, children learn to ignore or reinterpret God's truth. They lose their natural aversion for the devious spirits represented by the creatures and symbols in this eerie world. Caught up in the exciting story, they absorb the suggested values and store the fascinating images in their minds -- making the forbidden world of the occult seem more normal than the Kingdom of God.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."  Colossians 2:6-9

6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. After all,  who will stop, think and weigh the evidence when caught up in such a fast-moving visual adventure?  Fun fantasies and strategic entertainment has a special way of altering values, compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as well as in children.  This learning process has been named "edutainment" -- a favored way to train multicultural citizens for the envisioned 21st century community.  Its power to influence beliefs and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which spend billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet motivate people to buy the product.

"Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in Your way." Psalm 119:37

7. The main product marketed through this movie is a new belief system. This pagan ideology comes complete with trading cards, computer and other wizardly games, clothes and decorations stamped with HP symbols, action figures and cuddly dolls and audio cassettes that could keep the child's minds focused on the occult all day and into night. But in God's eyes, such paraphernalia become little more than lures and doorways to deeper involvement with the occult. In contrast, He calls a person "blessed" who -

"walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor stands in the path of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of the scornful [mockers];
"But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he meditates day and night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3

8. The implied source of power behind Harry's magical feats tend to distort a child's understanding of God. In the movie as in the books, words traditionally used to refer to occult practices become so familiar that children begin to apply the same terms to God and His promised strength. Many learn to see God as a power source that can be manipulated with the right kind of prayers and rituals -- and view his miracles as just another form of magic. They base their understanding of God on their own feelings and wants, not on His revelation of Himself.

"You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke you...." Psalm 50:21

9. Blind to the true nature of God, children will blend (synthesize) Biblical truth with pagan beliefs and magical practices. In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant of true Christian faith. For our God cannot be molded to match pagan gods.

“For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:1

10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go."  It starts with teaching them God's truths and training them all day long to see reality from His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need to shield them from contrary values until they know His Word and have memorized enough Scriptures to be able to recognize and resist deception. Once they have learned to love what God loves and see from His perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom by choosing to say "no" to Harry Potter.

“And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up." Deuteronomy 6:6-7

11. While some argue that Harry and his friends model friendship and integrity, they actually model how to lie and steal and get away with it. Their examples only add to the cultural relativism embraced by most children today who are honest when it doesn't cost anything, but who lie and cheat when it serves their purpose.

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are not fitting.... They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:28-32

12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He gives them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and delight in His Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His constant care -- no matter what happens around us. Harry Potter's deceptive thrills are worse than worthless when compared to the wonderful riches our Shepherd promises those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians 4:6-8


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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 05:59:24 am »

One only has to cite opposition to the Harry Potter books to prove beyond reasonable doubt that christian fundamentalists are all idiotic extremists and should be regarded as dangerous fools to be kept away from children.

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 06:33:51 am »

Did you just say that? So your calling Christians "idiotic extremists" and "fools"?

Seeing you apparently have no idea as to why Christians would oppose non-Christian material and ideology why are you posting here? This is clearly a Christian board, and your stated position is clearly not Christian. Care to repent and believe the gospel, and be baptized with the Holy Ghost for the remission of your sins?

Just curious. If you think, "...christian fundamentalists are all idiotic extremists and should be regarded as dangerous fools to be kept away from children", then just what do you suppose parents should teach their children? The Holy Bible teaches believers that they should teach their children out of the bible because they believe that is the way to go.


"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6 (KJB)


Bottom line, the Potter series is not Christain, nor is it edifying or expedient for believers in Christ to spend their time nosing around in what the other side is doing. Does not scripture tell us to abstain from all appearence of evil?


"Abstain from all appearance of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJB)
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 07:17:48 am »

One only has to cite opposition to the Harry Potter books to prove beyond reasonable doubt that christian fundamentalists are all idiotic extremists and should be regarded as dangerous fools to be kept away from children.



something about "magic" you like?

http://joshmcdowellmedia.org/FreeBooks/The%20Occult.pdf

free book, made just for, well, you.

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 12:10:15 pm »

Last time I checked Harry Potter was a Fairy Tale Childrens Book, not a Grimoire.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 12:23:59 pm »

Last time I checked Harry Potter was a Fairy Tale Childrens Book, not a Grimoire.


I would guess that's why we do not see an increase in the Occult with children and later with teens with the advent of these books and the subsequent marketing of other occult books marketed to children.

Is the book and story make believe? sure. but does it lead one to believe in this stuff and to actively participate in it. Sure.


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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 12:53:31 pm »

Last time I checked Harry Potter was a Fairy Tale Childrens Book, not a Grimoire.


I would guess that's why we do not see an increase in the Occult with children and later with teens with the advent of these books and the subsequent marketing of other occult books marketed to children.

Is the book and story make believe? sure. but does it lead one to believe in this stuff and to actively participate in it. Sure.


There are many reasons, as no doubt you are all aware. A visit to the local cinema, or simply turn on the television and an endless stream of evil garbage.

The last example I saw was embedded in the film Centurion.
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Last time I checked Harry Potter was a Fairy Tale Childrens Book, not a Grimoire.


I would guess that's why we do not see an increase in the Occult with children and later with teens with the advent of these books and the subsequent marketing of other occult books marketed to children.

Is the book and story make believe? sure. but does it lead one to believe in this stuff and to actively participate in it. Sure.


There are many reasons, as no doubt you are all aware. A visit to the local cinema, or simply turn on the television and an endless stream of garbage.


True, and Harry Potter has had a BIG influence in the last couple of years of pushing the occult into the lives of kids and teens, all over the world. Fresh off of Harry fame is the Twilight series, a very popular and succesful franchise with movies to boot, well, the books were all channeled from a spiritual entity.

Do you see how one leads to another? And most of the people that have made twilight so big, got their start in the Harry Potter books.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 04:53:34 pm »

Did you just say that? So your calling Christians "idiotic extremists" and "fools"?

Seeing you apparently have no idea as to why Christians would oppose non-Christian material and ideology why are you posting here? This is clearly a Christian board, and your stated position is clearly not Christian. Care to repent and believe the gospel, and be baptized with the Holy Ghost for the remission of your sins?

Just curious. If you think, "...christian fundamentalists are all idiotic extremists and should be regarded as dangerous fools to be kept away from children", then just what do you suppose parents should teach their children? The Holy Bible teaches believers that they should teach their children out of the bible because they believe that is the way to go.


"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6 (KJB)


Bottom line, the Potter series is not Christain, nor is it edifying or expedient for believers in Christ to spend their time nosing around in what the other side is doing. Does not scripture tell us to abstain from all appearence of evil?


"Abstain from all appearance of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5:22 (KJB)

Yep, this is the big problem with today's society - for example, whenever I try to warn others about the Vatican, Rick Warren, Rupert Murdoch, and other wolves in sheep's clothing that's doing what they can to damage the church, I get hit with comments like "Why are you so hateful?", "Warren, Murdoch, and Catholics give so much money to society, shame on you!", "The bible says to mind your own business!", etc, etc.

For the record, I've made it clear to them that it's not like we're required to build up an army with fleshly weapons against these people, we're merely supposed to warn the sheep and flocks about these wolves, and AVOID them. And for that matter too, I've also been hit with comments like "Because we're in the body of Christ, God will shield us from these deceptions, so what's the big deal of looking and reading into their stuff?". Like you said Kilika, we're supposed to abstain from all appearance of evil like the scripture says. If we lie die with dogs, we will get its fleas.

Anyhow, just wanted to throw this out there too, because this seems to be the same attitude with this wicked Harry Potter stuff as well.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 05:57:56 pm »

The answer is to show them or give them a copy of Dark Secrets of Bohemian Grove.

Take the argument onto strong ground and play to win.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 02:35:00 am »

The answer is to show them or give them a copy of Dark Secrets of Bohemian Grove.

Take the argument onto strong ground and play to win.


While I see your point, Christianity is not something that you use "strong ground" on people. Besides, the testamony of Jesus Christ is not a weapon that we wield, but the love of God. Christians learn that the truth is given as we are able to bear it, but the unbelieving cannot handle much scripture. You start with milk and in time leads to strong meat as the believer grows in their faith. We dont' play, period, because we know the win is already done.

The solution I believe is not to give them some book, but to give them the truth which is the Word of God. Scripture even says that there are things that the unbelieving participate in that "it is a shame to even speak of those things done of them in secret", so a book on that heathen sin fest I cannot personally recommend. I recommend the Word of God every time.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 11:55:54 am »

The answer is to show them or give them a copy of Dark Secrets of Bohemian Grove.

Take the argument onto strong ground and play to win.


While I see your point, Christianity is not something that you use "strong ground" on people. Besides, the testamony of Jesus Christ is not a weapon that we wield, but the love of God. Christians learn that the truth is given as we are able to bear it, but the unbelieving cannot handle much scripture. You start with milk and in time leads to strong meat as the believer grows in their faith. We dont' play, period, because we know the win is already done.

The solution I believe is not to give them some book, but to give them the truth which is the Word of God. Scripture even says that there are things that the unbelieving participate in that "it is a shame to even speak of those things done of them in secret", so a book on that heathen sin fest I cannot personally recommend. I recommend the Word of God every time.

If you talk about Harry Potter, you will not get unanimous support from all chrisitians, its a borderline issue.

If you talk about Bohemian Grove, nobody in there right mind would disagree. It opens the door to make loads of good points.

Now, why is Harry Potter so important when there are real issues ?

Has it ever occured to you that the bad guys want you to look silly and talk about Harry Potter, and they most def don't want anyone to even hear the words "Bohemian Grove".

If you see a trap do you walk into it ?

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 06:04:37 pm »

Yes, Satan is the most subtle beast of the field - he can dangle a carrot out there that appears "harmless", like this Harry Potter nonsense, to yoke you into bondage.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump - I would definitely test all spirits before I jump on the bandwagon.
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The answer is to show them or give them a copy of Dark Secrets of Bohemian Grove.

Take the argument onto strong ground and play to win.


While I see your point, Christianity is not something that you use "strong ground" on people. Besides, the testamony of Jesus Christ is not a weapon that we wield, but the love of God. Christians learn that the truth is given as we are able to bear it, but the unbelieving cannot handle much scripture. You start with milk and in time leads to strong meat as the believer grows in their faith. We dont' play, period, because we know the win is already done.

The solution I believe is not to give them some book, but to give them the truth which is the Word of God. Scripture even says that there are things that the unbelieving participate in that "it is a shame to even speak of those things done of them in secret", so a book on that heathen sin fest I cannot personally recommend. I recommend the Word of God every time.

If you talk about Harry Potter, you will not get unanimous support from all chrisitians, its a borderline issue.

If you talk about Bohemian Grove, nobody in there right mind would disagree. It opens the door to make loads of good points.

Now, why is Harry Potter so important when there are real issues ?

Has it ever occured to you that the bad guys want you to look silly and talk about Harry Potter, and they most def don't want anyone to even hear the words "Bohemian Grove".

If you see a trap do you walk into it ?



"Now, why is Harry Potter so important when there are real issues ?"

I can hardly think of issues more "real" than the poisoning of the minds of an entire generation of youth.  You speak of the members of Bohemian Grove.  I'm assuming you are familiar with the New World Order.  Do you not see these works of "fantasy" as paving the way for a new world religion to go along with the NWO? 

Deut. 18 makes it perfectly clear what God thinks of witchcraft.  Shall we watch and enjoy Harry Potter because it is only a fantasy version of witchcraft?  We know what God thinks of fornication, shall we watch pornography because it is only fantasy?
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2010, 02:50:55 pm »

^^^

This is the big problem with today's "church" - it's as if once you're saved, just as long as you don't commit the huge sins and are on good behavior, attend church every week, and give your tithe, then everything will be ok, and the Harry Potters, Twiglight's, etc, etc of this world won't have any affect on you.

Can't tell you how many times I've gotten into arguments with family members over this evolution lie in our schools, museums, etc - I told them how an abomination it is for the public school systems to indoctrinate our youths with this Satanic lie. And I've made it clear that they teach it as FACT, and not this "both sides perspective". And I end up getting an earful from them saying how I'm too judgemental and narrow minded(and to boot, they end up quoting some pastor on TBN saying how Christians should be open to evolution). And for that matter too, I told them how Constantine used astrology and other witchcraft methods to deceive the world into thinking easter, xmas, etc are "christian" holidays(and showed them scripture saying how astrology is condemned). Their response, "But times have changed now".

Bottom line, God's Word never changes, no ifs, ands, or buts. Today's "church" has taken their feet completely off the gas pedal and has this mentality that just because they're "saved", God wouldn't mind if they ignored just a few of his laws.
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