On the first point: In my post I was addressing the physical removal of Satan from heaven which In my view has nothing to do with his spiritual fall. I realize that people usually fail to distinguish between the two. But it is a distinction that is important to make since all the new testment verses are about Satan`s physical removal, not his spiritual condition.
double checking that now:
"Satan" occurs 36 times in the New Testament
Luke 11:18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Jesus describes Satan as a murderer from the beginning and as the father of lies. This implies that satan was corrupt very early on. Murderer from the beginning might suggest that he was created in a fallen condition. But I think it more likely that satan is the same angel that is called Lucifer. Lucifer was perfect for awhile, then fell spiritually. And I believe this fall of Lucifer took place before adam was created. Some argue that Lucifer is not Satan but my thought is: Why does the Bible tell the Lucifer story unless Lucifer is Satan? To me it doesn`t make sense for the story to be there unless Lucifer and Satan are one and same.
Lucifer and Satan are the same yep, did Lucifer fall before Adam? well it is hard to say, Satan is a fallen cherub so when were the Cherubs made?
On the fall as lightening past tense point. If I behold a star fall from the sky today and I tell you about it tomorrow I will say "I beheld and a star fell from the sky." Past tense doesn`t necessarilly mean a long time ago is my point.
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It brings up a point here. What do you think Jesus was doing before He came to earth as a man? My view is: Jesus in His pre-human condition would have been the One throwing Satan out of heaven and making him fall like lightning. I think the fact that Jesus is eyewitnees to this fall implies this event happened while Jesus was on the earth as a man.
Where was Jesus before he became man? On the throne of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.