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« on: July 20, 2012, 09:43:11 pm »

God allows the medical system for the hardness of Christians' hearts.
Matthew 19:4-8

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4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
The Bible says this about believers:
Ephesians 5:30

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30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Jesus is our betrothed and we His. In Jewish custom this was as a marriage without consummation. Would Jesus want His one flesh bride to go to an unregenerate system be stripped nak*d, cut up and given drugs that all harm the human body, when He died a horrible death to provide all the healing she would ever need by trusting her husband alone?
Jesus allows it for the hardness of Christians' hearts just as divorce was allowed in the OT for any reason.

Does anyone believe the bride will have a hard heart?


Satan is a merchant/trader Ezekiel 28:14-19 and a LIAR. He has sold the lie that God gives His people medical science and traded that lie for the healing/health Jesus provides.

James 1:16-17

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16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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6   If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 
7   But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness. 
8   For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 
9   This [is] a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 
10   For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 
11   These things command and teach.
1 Timothy 5:6-11 (KJB)


"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." 1 Timothy 5:23 (KJB)

13   Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 
14   Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 
15   And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 
16   Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James 5:13-16 (KJB)
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 10:04:37 am »

Luk 11:9  And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12  Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

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side effects? harmful?

Mar 16:18   They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Mat 8:26   And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith?...


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side effects? harmful?

Mar 16:18   They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Mat 8:26   And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith?...



No Christian disciple is to ingest harmful substances into their body deliberately. Every drug in any amount harms the human body. Jesus provides healing with no drugs.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17

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16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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was Luke not a physician?

Eze 47:12   And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.  

1Ti 5:23   Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 

Isa 38:21  For Isaiah had said, Let them take a lump of figs, and lay [it] for a plaister upon the boil, and he shall recover. 

Luk 10:34   And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 

Mat 9:12   But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 



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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2012, 02:12:43 pm »

Mat 15:10  And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11  Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 03:36:29 pm »

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was Luke not a physician?
There is no where in the Bible that Luke use medicine to heal anyone. Was Rahab not a harlot?
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Eze 47:12   And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.  
Here is the meaning as explained in the NT:
Revelation 22:2

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2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Here is who is meant by the "nations":
Revelation 21:24

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24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And here is the "healing" that is promised from the tree of life:
Genesis 3:22

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22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

And here is the promise to those who overcome:
Revelation 2:7

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7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
What you seem to be implying is that the leaves of the tree of life are the same as the drugs/poison that the occult based medical system, their fellow travelers in the pharmaceutical industry, and in government prescribe, manufacture and "regulate". I think not.
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1Ti 5:23   Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 


Wine is not a drug and was the beverage of choice for most in bible times because of dangerous water.  Even today many people travel with bottled water even in the states; we do. Here is one reason why:
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Isa 38:21  For Isaiah had said, Let them take a lump of figs, and lay [it] for a plaister upon the boil, and he shall recover. 
Figs have no curative properties.
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Luk 10:34   And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 
Oil and wine are not drugs. This man was an unsaved heathen that was doing all he knew how to do. He had no ability to heal by the power of the Holy Spirit as Jesus, the disciples, and those that BELIEVE do today.
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Mat 9:12   But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 

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What you are saying is  that Jesus would send someone to an earthly physician to be drugged or cut up when Father God is Yahweh Rapha the Great Physician see Exodus 15:26. Jesus came to demonstrate that God wanted to be their healer and take away their sin. The Jews had lost that blessing as it seems many in the church have. No where did Jesus ever send anyone to a physician. In fact the Holy Spirit said this through Luke:
Luke 8:43

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43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
 Nothing much has changed except the cost is higher, more people are killed, are not healed but made drug dependent. You are saying that God gives His bride this system!
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Yes, because you left out Trophimus, Paul's "thorn", and Epaphroditus.
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For starters, Jesus healings were a sign to the Jews of his Divine power and to start the Church. All of the gifts were to end, and by 100 ad they had. Did the early church not have faith? No the gifts ended. You act as though Israel before Jesus came sat around and healed people. No they didnt, do you know who did? The pagan world around them. They all had faith healers, just as we have today in the crazy charismatic movement.

Does the Lord heal people? Yes he does, on very choice individuals. Are there healers that can heal at a touch on anyone they want? No not at all. Not in todays day and age, and not since the last Apostle died out. Sorry. Just doesent happen.

The Lord didnt sit around and heal every little thing he came across. He did very specific healings at very specific times for very specific points. And Paul, who could heal did not heal himself, and did recomend wine as a CURE not a drink. And hate to break it to you, water back then was way more cleaner than you have today. So making that claim is a straw man.

There have always been doctors, when Israel left Egypt there were doctors, not healers. When did moses sit and heal people? I only posted a small sampling of how medince and doctors are used in the Bible. And Luke was a doctor, just because it isnt recorded as to what he did, doesnt take away the fact that he still was one.

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Funny that the Lord would be called something you claim there is no need for? There was no healing before the flood, no healing before the exodus, no healing before the Lord appeared. And very little after he left. Again, where are all these hospitals you have visited?
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For starters, Jesus healings were a sign to the Jews of his Divine power and to start the Church. All of the gifts were to end, and by 100 ad they had. Did the early church not have faith? No the gifts ended. You act as though Israel before Jesus came sat around and healed people. No they didnt, do you know who did? The pagan world around them. They all had faith healers, just as we have today in the crazy charismatic movement.
Healing in the church after 100 AD:  http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/mystery.htm

The Mystery of When Miracles and Healing Ceased
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Several writers have claimed that a search of the writings of the early Church indicates that there are no references to these "gifts" continuing beyond A.D. 100. ... After an exhaustive search of these fascinating early Christian writings, I can ...
I need you to give scripture that all the gifts were to end and did end. What you are implying is: all the healings we have seen in 34 years of walking with Jesus were 1.lies 2.the devil 3.you are not sure or do not know which is the classic answer the pharisees gave. 
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Does the Lord heal people? Yes he does, on very choice individuals. Are there healers that can heal at a touch on anyone they want? No not at all. Not in todays day and age, and not since the last Apostle died out. Sorry. Just doesent happen.


34 years raising 7 children to adulthood, and 12 grandchildren with never any use of the medical system contradicts your assertion unless of course you choose one of the 3 choices above. Not to mention many others healed and delivered by the power of Jesus we have seen.
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The Lord didnt sit around and heal every little thing he came across. He did very specific healings at very specific times for very specific points. And Paul, who could heal did not heal himself, and did recomend wine as a CURE not a drink. And hate to break it to you, water back then was way more cleaner than you have today. So making that claim is a straw man.
Jesus healed ALL that came to Him and many He was sent to. He says "those who believe" will do the same. Just as Jesus prayed for people who were unsaved and the Holy Spirit healed them so have I. Jesus loves people and wants to touch their need through His disciples. This is what Jesus did all the time everywhere He went.|
  Paul's thorn was not a sickness.

I have given you proof that water was not pure which is one reason why people drank wine. I need you to give evidence that wine is medicine for stomach issues and that water was pure in Bible times in cities.
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There have always been doctors, when Israel left Egypt there were doctors, not healers. When did moses sit and heal people? I only posted a small sampling of how medince and doctors are used in the Bible. And Luke was a doctor, just because it isnt recorded as to what he did, doesnt take away the fact that he still was one.

There were never physicians with or in Israel until Solomon married Pharaoh's daughter and brought her's with her. I need you to give scripture to show that there were physicians with or in Israel before this.
  As for Luke, Rahab was called a harlot. Does that mean she still "practiced" after receiving salvation and got the light? It makes no sense to say he practiced medicine after he got light on divine healing and traveled with the apostles. He may even have been called that because he had a spiritual gift of supernatural healing.
  Moses prayed for people and they were healed by Jesus. His own sister for one and mass healings of the people numerous times.
  Your "small sampling" did not say anything about drugs or doctors being used to heal in the Bible as I have shown.
You are defending an occult based system that is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US killing over 200,000 people each year every year. Has Jesus given a system like this to His bride?

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Funny that the Lord would be called something you claim there is no need for? There was no healing before the flood, no healing before the exodus, no healing before the Lord appeared. And very little after he left. Again, where are all these hospitals you have visited?
No, it is not "funny" at all. He heals by supernatural means, not drugs/poison and cutting people up. The devil has given a very poor substitute "physician" and most of the church has made the trade; not a good bargain at all.
  We have been called or been sent to several hospitals and seen people healed/delivered. Right know we are doing what Jesus gives us to do by telephone and in person. We are believing for more opportunities and greater results. We will see John 14:12 in Jesus' name. If that does not satisfy you I cannot help it. It is not my fault. We are nameless and unknown which is the way we prefer it. Even Jesus tried to keep it that way for Himself quite frequently.
  People like Benny Hinn are an embarrassment to us.
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