Hi guys,
I asked Pastor Mike what his position is on Romans 13, and told him what people are saying about him, and he wrote back to me this-
Michaela,
This guy hasnt listened to other sermons I have preached on this issue. He is assuming out of ignorance. The scriptures are clear, as long a government ruler is not requiring or forcing us to disobey God's commandments, we are to be subject to the earthly authority.
Even if that government is corrupt. Paul was under Roman rule, and as you know, Ceaser considered himself a god. However, in the book of Acts, Paul repeatedly pleads for his rights as a Roman citizen, and was granted those rights.
However, if a ruler wants to force us to disobey God, then we are not to be subject to that. Peter and John refused to obey the Sanhedrin who told them not to preach Jesus anymore. The Israelite midwives refused to murder the babies of the Jewish women. If my government wants to pull me over for speeding, they have that right. If my government wants to force my wife to have an abortion, or force me to preach in favor of sodomy, I must refuse and face the consequences. That is what the scriptures declare and that is what I stand for.
MikeHope that helps clear it up a bit.
I have listened to quite a bit of his sermons. He did not refute what he said or added a but or anything to what he said.
He is assuming out of ignorance.
nope, i have the audio, downloaded form sermon audio, anyone can listen to it, and no where does he refute his beliefs, he apologizes quite a bit. So sorry, mu conclusions are not out of ignorance. Just what he said, which is there for all to hear. Now maybe, it looks like i just might have to transcribe it, so all can see just what he said.
The scriptures are clear, as long a government ruler is not requiring or forcing us to disobey God's commandments, we are to be subject to the earthly authority.
Even if that government is corrupt. Paul was under Roman rule, and as you know, Ceaser considered himself a god. However, in the book of Acts, Paul repeatedly pleads for his rights as a Roman citizen, and was granted those rights.
On this he is correct, and I have said that. I have no problem with this. It was the total disregard and no mention of when the Gov violates the Lords laws.
However, if a ruler wants to force us to disobey God, then we are not to be subject to that. Peter and John refused to obey the Sanhedrin who told them not to preach Jesus anymore. The Israelite midwives refused to murder the babies of the Jewish women. If my government wants to pull me over for speeding, they have that right. If my government wants to force my wife to have an abortion, or force me to preach in favor of sodomy, I must refuse and face the consequences. That is what the scriptures declare and that is what I stand for.
This is what I'm talking about. He did not preach this, this is not in his sermon anywhere. It isn't in any of his stuff the next week nor the next week after that. the first refutation that i have heard is in the God and Guns 2 which came out on 12/30/12. So its not out of ignorance i made my decision.
Hope that helps clear it up a bit
no it didnt, if he made a refutation before 12/30/12 id like to know where it is?
