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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2011, 11:05:41 pm »

I listened to that sermon and kept feeling like he was getting people ready to accept martial law....very different from how he usually preaches/ teaches.

He knows the corruption in the government, why all this "patriotism and  submission to O. A red flag went up when he mentioned George Bush "didn't do everything right during 9/11

He has to know that was an inside job.   Big change. 

So when George W. Bush and John Ashcroft went after Pastor Greg Dixon, bulldozed his church, and called his ministry "domestic terrorism", was Bush "being human and not perfect"? Or how about the WMD lies to get us to Iraq? Or how about when Bush told Charlie Gibson that Christians and Muslims worship the same God? Or how about exposing Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame their undercover CIA agent identities? Or how about the Afhganistan war after 9/11 that's continued until now?

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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2011, 04:45:29 pm »

Well, still getting his work on his watchman/pure bible study/sunday service cds in the mail - very surprised he's still doing this especially considering he's distancing himself. Either way, they go in the trash.

Let them alone. If the blind follow the blind, both shall fall into a ditch...
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2011, 07:31:40 am »

Pastor Mike should really read this.

p.s. NASB and NIV


When Government Declares Good to Be Evil
Melvin Johnson


It is an indisputable fact that the government of the United States of America is a unique exercise of individual freedom and personal responsibility, while simultaneously reflecting the e pluribus unum (out of many, one) creed. Our enemies may look at this great melting pot as a boiling cauldron of disunity, confusion and weakness, and even seek to exploit what they see as opportunity, but when attacked or woefully offended, they become subject to a unified force of unbridled might and fury!

What makes our government so unique is that the founders and framers of our Constitution and laws wrote them in the context of its citizenry being a moral people, rich in Biblical knowledge and practitioners of Judeo-Christian principles. In the 13th chapter of Romans, verses 3 and 5 provide a brief, but excellent in the purpose of our government and those we place in power through our election process ...

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"For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil." (NASB).

Rom 13:3   For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 
 Rom 13:4   For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil. 
 Rom 13:5   Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 


So the essential essence and purpose of the United States government is to promote social order by protecting its citizenry from evil! But what happens when our government becomes a terror to that which is good? The prophet Isaiah cried out "Woe to them that call good evil and evil good..." It is God and he alone who has established the standard between that which is good and that which is evil, with government in place to maintain the line of separation.

Is it evil to pray? Most of us agree that there is nothing wrong with a person praying, no matter where the individual might be. Prayer has been an essential part of the American heart, soul and mind since the native Americans first set foot on this continent! Each individual has the right to believe in it or not, but certainly should not thwart or hinder those who do! Just a little research would tell any person that government has now taken a position to terrorize those who seek to pray at the times and places of their own choosing.

When Arleen Ocasio, Director of Houston VA National Cemetery sent out her decree banning families from using the name "Jesus" or "God," and instructing them to send her a copy of any written statement for her approval, she was met by a firestorm of opposition. From her perspective, this President Obama appointee saw the need to purge the cemetary of all religious exercises and symbols. Advancing the pagan and antichrist agenda!

In 1999, U.S. 5th District Court Judge Samuel Kent issued a scathing attack against several students at the Santa Fe High School. If Marian Ward and others were to defy his order not to pray at a school event, he posted a federal marshal and declared that he would "make them wish that they were never born..." Again, is it evil to ask for God's protection and blessings through prayer?

Other most recent cases include the San Antonio area's Medina High School, where the 2011 graduating class valedictorian was ordered by U.S. District Judge Fred Biery to refrain from talking about God, Jesus or even saying "Amen!" Fortunately the school district's appeal was granted, and the event, fueled by a public enraged by the judge's order, became a special occasion affirming a belief in God and the goodness in relating to how Jesus' influence brings positive living. So again, government's attempt to call the good thing of prayer "evil" was thwarted by wiser minds.

In Houston, Texas, pastor Scott Rainey had said a prayer during the Veteran's National Cemetery's Memorial Day Program for the past two years. As he was invited to do the same this year, he was contacted and told that he could not pray in the name of Jesus, and if he insisted, then he would have to be disinvited. According to

Is it evil to be prosperous? As millions of immigrants even realize today, America is still the land of opportunity. Free enterprise and capitalism are built upon the foundation of liberty, and the right of the individual to exceed and excel is matched nowhere else in the world! Today, any person—regardless of who they are or where they came from—has the opportunity to prosper. The entrepreneur, the inventor, the leader, the investor usually comes from humble beginnings, but through personal sacrifice and belief in their own abilities, become successful and prosperous. Even those who study hard, further their education and prepare for rewarding careers do so at great sacrifice! Unfortunately, they are now seen as the enemy. Government has declared them to be selfish and gluttonous. "They make too much money, and must therefore share their wealth!" is the judgment. Government's punishment for being successful is more taxation.

Is it evil to point out evil? In the New International Version, Exodus 20:13 says, "You shall not murder." Exd 20:13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.  It is the willful taking of innocent life. What can be more innocent than an unborn child! Yet, many laws have been enacted and radically-enforced to protect the abortionist and the organizations that support and encourage it. Our government provides funding for the abortion procedure while making every possible effort to discourage those who speak against it! In the eyes of government today, the pro-life movement is the sinister group that must be carefully watched. To be an advocate for the unborn is evil as far as it is concerned!

What we are witnessing is the invasion of a foreign and sinister force—an ideology that is not American, but an unholy entity that has murdered millions and enslaved nations! Romans 13 makes it very clear concerning the function of government, and when it expands beyond its God-ordained boundaries, it soon becomes tyrannical. When it begins to see our good as evil, government itself becomes that!

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White House courts religious leaders to help people in need

It's a combination of church and state — not separation — that keeps communities strong, federal officials told more than 500 members of Denver's faith and social-services communities Wednesday at the Convention Center.

The White House's traveling conference series, "Connecting Communities for the Common Good," stopped in Denver, one of five U.S. cities on the schedule.

The White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships said working with religious leaders in their hometowns enables the administration to better support the critical work of feeding and housing people, ensuring health care, creating economic opportunities, promoting education and strengthening families.

Gov. John Hickenlooper said in the keynote address that people questioned Denver's recruitment of congregations to help the city end homelessness — an initiative he undertook as mayor.

The law says government can't favor one religion over another, Hickenlooper said — it doesn't say you cannot get involved with religious communities.

"Communities of faith have been a big part of our search for social justice from the beginning," Hickenlooper said.

In continuing a faith-based initiative of President George W. Bush, President Barack Obama​ said faith-based groups are not a substitute for secular nonprofits and government efforts, but America "needs all hands on deck."

"If your focus is first and foremost serving people in need, then there's not a tremendous amount of time left to debate the finer points of the church- state relationship," said program director Joshua DuBois​.

The office, which has four staffers in the White House and about 40 spread across various federal agencies, doesn't provide grants or make award decisions.

It helps faith-based and other groups learn how to compete for existing federal grants and trains them to be active providers of secular services.

"For example, before a natural disaster, we help certify and train groups in how to respond," DuBois said. "We go in after a disaster and make sure those same organizations know how to be part of long-term recovery efforts."

These efforts can bolster local programs that strengthen or support everything from health care and responsible parenting to assisting veterans and fostering volunteerism.

Now Faith Christian Center Church pastor Leon Emerson, president of the Greater Metro Ministerial Alliance, said faith leaders, while grateful for the administration's support, don't want more process or red tape, or new programs.

"We already know the needs in our communities," Emerson said. "We want someone to come alongside us with dollars and help us out with what we're already doing."

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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2012, 05:23:22 am »

i watched it. It's unthinkable that a professed doctor - Phil Stringer could write such a book with obvious lies in it. The front cover of the book is pretty misleading showing the KJV in flames, Gail Riplinger is under alot of attack and even Mike Hoggard is attacked too, Silly Philly says that Gail is leading people into the ecumenical movement and into the Kabbalah - totally ridiculous Cheesy Bryan makes a good point that there were no seminaries or bible colleges in the early church. After seeing Dr Stringer's book new book i would definitely beware of him.

I listened to most of it and have to agree, this Stringer guy is a nut and definatly not a KJ person. You dont need seminaries and Bible colleges, you never have as the best preachers and evangelists are self taught. always have been. As their teacher is the Spirit. Even i attack Hoggard, dont trust him, especially as he said when the Gov comes for his church, they have nothing to worry about as HE will protect them.

Sorry but that kind of talk scares me, especially when it comes from the leader of a church. a 501c3 church at that.
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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2012, 09:06:07 am »

I listened to most of it and have to agree, this Stringer guy is a nut and definatly not a KJ person. You dont need seminaries and Bible colleges, you never have as the best preachers and evangelists are self taught. always have been. As their teacher is the Spirit. Even i attack Hoggard, dont trust him, especially as he said when the Gov comes for his church, they have nothing to worry about as HE will protect them.

Sorry but that kind of talk scares me, especially when it comes from the leader of a church. a 501c3 church at that.

Stringer is a member of the Dean Burgon Society - from what I understand, the DBS believes we have to go back to the Greek and Hebrew to understand the translations better in the KJV. It doesn't make any sense at all, b/c the KJV was given to us in ENGLISH ALREADY - PRAISE JESUS! I can't remember all of the names, but DA Waite is also a member - I have his Defined King James Bible. Thankfully, he didn't change any words, delete words, add words, verses, etc like Zonderfan would do, however, he bold printed some words and defined them in the footnotes...the latter part hasn't been good b/c Waite referred to the UPDATED Greek like Schrivener's(sp) for these defined words.

As for Hoggard, yeah - it really disturbed me when he gave an "unlimited submission to the government" Romans 13 sermon last year. I watched one of his Watchman's Broadcasts for the first time the other night in over a year, but nonetheless itshouldn't sit well with anyone if any preacher gives this kind of sermon. This is what Stringer should have called out Hoggard over.

And yeah, I was completely shocked over the blasphemy Stringer put out in his book - it was pretty much him spewing heresies and blasphemies more than attacking Ripplinger herself.
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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2012, 01:21:50 am »

Hoggard is 501c3? i'll believe You Mark, but to be fair i will say despite Hoggard not being perfect he has some really great videos that explain the King James Bible to the listeners, he gets into the fine points of Bible Numerics in the KJV which nearly all preachers wont get into. The Bible Numerics were put in the Bible by God to show Bible students that God works through numbers, i'm sure You can think of examples. You may say by their fruits ye shall know them, see the fruits of Hoggard's ministries and that is the key to recognizing them.
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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2012, 04:02:56 am »

Hoggard is 501c3? i'll believe You Mark, but to be fair i will say despite Hoggard not being perfect he has some really great videos that explain the King James Bible to the listeners, he gets into the fine points of Bible Numerics in the KJV which nearly all preachers wont get into. The Bible Numerics were put in the Bible by God to show Bible students that God works through numbers, i'm sure You can think of examples. You may say by their fruits ye shall know them, see the fruits of Hoggard's ministries and that is the key to recognizing them.

I wont deny that, not at all. I really liked him, up until that sermon. And i say sermon as that is what it was, given at his church, to his flock. He has never released this as a big thing, like he does everything else he does. But with all that being said, Billy Graham has some good stuff too. Remember they come in as sheep but are really ravenous wolves.
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2012, 10:03:51 am »

I wont deny that, not at all. I really liked him, up until that sermon. And i say sermon as that is what it was, given at his church, to his flock. He has never released this as a big thing, like he does everything else he does. But with all that being said, Billy Graham has some good stuff too. Remember they come in as sheep but are really ravenous wolves.

Even before Hoggard came out supporting Romans 13 being "unlimited submission", I used to listen to some of his church sermons, and to be frank, while they may have been a heck of alot better than 99% of the perverted bible versions out there, they still had some leaven of Churchianity in them. For example, one time in 2010 during a sermon, he told his flock that they needed to go out and vote in the midterm elections. This itself is nothing but religious right/moral majority babble. Another time he commented during a sermon, "The Lord may not make his 2nd Coming until another 25 years from now". Yes, I know we don't know the day nor hour, but it completely contradicts with what he's been warning in his Watchman's Broadcast videos. Yet another leaven Churchianity statement.

While I think Hoggard is genuine, the rotten fruits of 501c3 are pretty obvious to ANY ministry, b/c the yoke of bondage under the IRS is so strong. I'm surprised Bryan endorses him b/c Bryan has been warning heavily about the rotten fruits of 501c3. And for that matter too, I wish Scott doesn't endorse DA Waite b/c his Bible for Today ministry is a 501c3.

Luk 3:9  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2012, 01:01:31 am »

I wont deny that, not at all. I really liked him, up until that sermon. And i say sermon as that is what it was, given at his church, to his flock. He has never released this as a big thing, like he does everything else he does. But with all that being said, Billy Graham has some good stuff too. Remember they come in as sheep but are really ravenous wolves.

So You think that Hoggard is a wolf in sheeps clothing? wouldn't that be going too far? i mean all the promotion of the KJV Bible, the free DVD's, exposing freemasonry, exposing witchcraft and what he has done for the last 12+ years and he is compared to Billy Graham?
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So You think that Hoggard is a wolf in sheeps clothing? wouldn't that be going too far? i mean all the promotion of the KJV Bible, the free DVD's, exposing freemasonry, exposing witchcraft and what he has done for the last 12+ years and he is compared to Billy Graham?

I attached this to the hoggard thread, so read through this, and give a listen for yourself. ultimately you will have to decide for yourself. Everyone can have some good sounding stuff, but Jesus went against the Government of his day which was wrong. And hoggard is telling his people to submit to a wrong government. That is wrong and is not what Romans 13 teaches, and isnt what the Lord did or taught. Hoggard says He will protect his people? I mean he actually says that. Protect them how? Help load them up on the busses? keep them calm as they are led away, help quite the kids as they are processed? Do you see what i mean. This is Clergy responce stuff from 501c3 pastors.

And another thing, he comes from a very small church. Where did all his money come from? Once you start digging into this guy more questions start popping up. Like i said I really liked him, and he said some odd off the topic things before, but i just ignored them. But after this, i really started to pay attention and i just dont feel drawn to him. The Spirit pushes me away from him, and i will follow the Spirit.
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2012, 09:00:45 am »

So You think that Hoggard is a wolf in sheeps clothing? wouldn't that be going too far? i mean all the promotion of the KJV Bible, the free DVD's, exposing freemasonry, exposing witchcraft and what he has done for the last 12+ years and he is compared to Billy Graham?

Well, even Billy Graham said in one of his books over how Satan's minions have infiltrated the churches, Sunday schools, seminaries, et al. Yes, this 33rd Degree Mason wolf actually said this, believe it or not, in one of his books(ie-none of the other so-called "influential evangelicals" would think twice about saying this). But that doesn't give Graham a free pass for all the other wicked things he's done(which is countless and would have to write up pages on a Word doc to do so).

Again, no, I don't think Hoggard is this wolf church infiltrator(or whatever enemy you want to call him), however, I do feel his temptations over money has gotten the very best of him. Like Mark said, he's sold himself out with 501c3, and to boot for someone who comes from a small church...somehow he's come up with pricey ways to do his Watchman Broadcasts, write books, etc(ie-all the technology he uses to design his Watchman Broadcasts just don't look cheap).

Either way, he should be avoided.
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2012, 12:59:53 pm »

Hoggard also celebrates Xmas and Ishtar at his church - like other churchianity pastors, he somehow spins that Romans passage where "we shouldn't judge another over a holy day" to rationalize celebrating these holidays. For someone who's KJV-only, there's no excuse to somehow not know these are pagan holidays.

Even DA Waite has warned about these pagan holidays.(no, not putting him on a pedestial, but read my above comments about him)
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2012, 12:29:12 am »

And another thing, he comes from a very small church. Where did all his money come from?

i dont know, how is it that he has alot of money? we dont really know.

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Once you start digging into this guy more questions start popping up. Like i said I really liked him, and he said some odd off the topic things before, but i just ignored them.

ok so it is all okay to investigate him, i know he has strange views on Romans 13 yes that is strange, but of course we are Bereans here and remember that Peter wasn't perfect either, we cant expect our brethren and sisters to be perfect people in their doctrine. And even if it turns out that Hoggard is a wolf, i believe that his sermons with the KJB verses in them will be of much benefit to the watchers.

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But after this, i really started to pay attention and i just dont feel drawn to him. The Spirit pushes me away from him, and i will follow the Spirit.

Ok yesterday i came across a Hoggard DVD and played it it is called "The Triple Helix the de-evolution of man" and i turned up the volume, and it had alot of KJV Bible verses in it and i only got to see half of it but i really enjoyed the video, it was very uplifting to my soul and i was thankful that i had watched it. I got that same good feeling that comes to me that comes when i preach the Gospel, i know dont trust your feelings but to be honest i feel really good when i preach and when i hear a KJV based sermon.


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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2012, 04:05:52 am »

Hey, if you like him than thats fine. As i said he put out some good info.
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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2012, 10:57:38 am »

Some of you insist Pastor Mike is 501c3.

Do you have proof? If you do, I would like to see it.


If you go to http://blip.tv/pastormikeonline and to to his

teaching of 6/16/11 at around the 40 minute mark he says his church is NOT 501c3.

I will make it even easier for you, here is the direct link to that study:

http://blip.tv/pastormikeonline/pastor-mike-online-06-16-11-5308830. Open it and go to the

40 minute mark and see for yourself.




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I listened to the entire sermon once and the first 25 minutes a second time.

Much like the vague insinuations against Chuck Missler, this seems to me to be another mole hill made into a mountain.


What I got from the sermon was trust God and submit to the laws of the land.

Did he say if the government tells you to kill your child then you do so, no he did not.

Did he say take the mark of the beast when given the choice between that and death, no he did not.

He said trust God and submit. He did not say submit no matter what.

I do not like many of the laws any more then most people, but there is a difference between a law that is unjust and a law that is unGodly. We each have to pray about and study the Bible about any law we think is unGodly. 

If you trust God then why are you afraid of men? You already know what the future holds, it is prewritten by God. You are going to either be Raptured or die. No one wants to be persecuted, but Christians are going to be increasingly persecuted and put upon. The devil rules this world, that is just how it is. As Christians you already know this. Fear is just your sinful flesh talking, as Born Again Christians we should all be striving to keep our eyes on God and doing His will, not what is about to happen to us down here.

I will go back listening to Pasture Mike's audios now, I have listened to almost everything on his website except his sermons but I still have about 1/5 or so of them to go.

Mike Hoggard is my favorite teacher, his verse by verse study of Revelation is awesome.

I would also like to thank Scot Johnson for exposing me to him.

Its more that he didn't say any of that stuff. If the Gov. shows up and tells me to go to a FEMA camp. Im not going. If they say we have to turn in all our Bibles are you? I mean the Church has a long history of NOT doing that. It is his total endorsement to blindly follow the government that bothers me. Its a secular worldly government, and not once did he say anything about not following anything they have to say. Dear Lord he even came out and said we should have more rules and laws. You have to be kidding me.

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He did not say submit no matter what.

Basically he did say that. Not once did he give an example of not following the Gov, although the Bible is rife with it.


Where did he say it? I have already asked for this once, and no one answered me. Give me the minute mark

to fast forward to and I will.


You can not give me a minute to go to can you..... because it does not exist.



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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2012, 11:30:26 am »

^^

For the record, I don't have anything against Mike Hoggard(I was just concerned over a Romans 13 sermon he gave last year) - if it's the case that Pastor Hoggard's church is NOT a 501c3, then this is GREAT news! Seriously, it's not like I was beating my chest and celebrating over some guy's church (supposedly)being yoked up with the government. Again, Hoggard's church not being a 501c3 is GREAT News! And if any other pastor in this country wants to come clean and dismantle his government-incorporated church, then AWESOME!


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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2012, 11:54:34 am »

OK, I just listened at the 40 minute mark - Hoggard said it's not a 501c3, however, he said he had to file Articles of Incorporation paperwork with the state of Missouri(with the STATE of Missouri ONLY) in order to have a bank account, and donations to his church are tax deductible. He said that MO recognized his church as a church(if I understand this correctly). He also said the church was founded in the early 70's(before he got there, that is).

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http://blip.tv/pastormikeonline/pastor-mike-online-06-16-11-5308830

OK, without getting into a discussion about church buildings here - this whole 501c3 thing, I'll admit, is a bit confusing to me. Peter Kennshaw(sp) said that non-501c3 churches can still get tax deductions off donations, however, Greg Dixon said the federal government can still find excuses to recognize your church as just that if there are numerous things you do(ie-the church has a bank account, by laws, accept tax-deductible gifts, just to name a few).

Even though Hoggard cleared it up that his church is not a 501c3, at the same time, with the rest of what he said I'm still not clear with...could you guys listen at the 40 minute mark and tell me what you think? Thanks!
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2012, 01:15:30 pm »

If that entity is incorporated, it's the same difference. He's still looking to the government for authorization to preach the gospel, is he not? Who cares what the government says about what a church is? Who cares? Those who care about the love of money, and that comes in the form of setting up their little groups so they can get "tax deductions".

It's the love of money that churches are incorporated, whatever type corp they are. Doing so makes them subject to the government. If they don't comply with Caesar, then they lose their tax status and could go to jail for tax evasion.

Current tax law does not require a "church" to incorporate as a non-profit. It's a given status in the tax code that is verified at tax filing time.

Sorry, Hoggard is not to be trusted or listened to.
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If that entity is incorporated, it's the same difference. He's still looking to the government for authorization to preach the gospel, is he not?

If you believe being tax exempt is the same as the irs or cia writing his sermons for him you go right ahead and believe. Fortunately for the rest of the world that particular belief of yours is ridicules. The worst the government can do is revoke his tax exempt status.


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Sorry, Hoggard is not to be trusted or listened to.

Once again, I see no one can give a reason why Pasture Mike is bad.


I guess I was expecting to much from a "Christian" forum when I thought it would have a higher burden of

proof than "he's bad because I don't trust him, and, and, he's, he's.... INCORPORATED!!!".



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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2012, 02:06:28 pm »

Is this biblical enough for you?...

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5 (KJB)

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"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." Jeremiah 17:5 (KJB)

That is very Biblical.


How does it prove Pasture Mike is bad?
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2012, 02:49:01 pm »

"[Be] of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits." Romans 12:16 (KJB)

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Romans 14:5 (KJB)

10   Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 
11   For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 
12   Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 
13   Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 
1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (KJB)


19   Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 
20   But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 
21   If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work. 
22   Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 
23   But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 
24   And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 
25   In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 
26   And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 
2 Timothy 2:19-26 (KJB)


"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 (KJB)
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2012, 03:25:14 pm »

Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

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Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
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"[Be] of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits." Romans 12:16 (KJB)

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Romans 14:5 (KJB)

10   Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 
11   For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 
12   Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 
13   Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 
1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (KJB)

19   Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 
20   But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 
21   If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work. 
22   Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 
23   But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 
24   And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 
25   In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 
26   And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 
2 Timothy 2:19-26 (KJB)

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 (KJB)


What does this have to do with my question?


How is Pasture Mike bad?


If your answer to "how is Pasture Mike bad?" is, "he is just bad and I don't like him", that is ok with me.

I am just wanting clarity, if you do not have a clear answer, just say so.

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What does this have to do with my question?


How is Pasture Mike bad?


If your answer to "how is Pasture Mike bad?" is, "he is just bad and I don't like him", that is ok with me.

I am just wanting clarity, if you do not have a clear answer, just say so.



We just clarified it by putting out scripture. Read them, and meditate on them.
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« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2012, 05:26:25 pm »

Mike Hoggards church BETHEL FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH OF FESTUS, MISSOURI and its 2 other names, and 3 other organizations are filled as Non-Profit Corporation with the Missouri Secretary of State. This virtually guarantees a 501c3 filling with the IRS.
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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2012, 09:12:04 am »

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We just clarified it by putting out scripture. Read them, and meditate on them.

I have read them, but I did not see anything that has to do with Pasture Mike not being Biblical or anything

referencing 501c3.

So basically your answer is "I think he is 501c3 and that is bad, even though he says he
is not 501c3 I do not believe him and even if he is not 501c3 he has filed papers with the
state of Missouri to be tax exempt and that makes him bad"

My answer to your opinion is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Now I will give you a few scriptures to meditate on yourself.


Matthew 22:17-21

Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?

Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?

They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


Since I rather doubt this website is paid for by barter, everyone here is using the same corrupt system, the

same dirty money, lives in the same evil country, on the same fallen planet as everyone else. Since the

answer to my last question has boiled down to "I said so"I have a new question . How are you Kilika and

you BornAgain2 any better than Pasture Mike and the rest of us poor sinners who are just doing the best we

can in this life?




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Mike Hoggards church BETHEL FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH OF FESTUS, MISSOURI and its 2 other names, and 3 other organizations are filled as Non-Profit Corporation with the Missouri Secretary of State. This virtually guarantees a 501c3 filling with the I

Pasture Mike's second audio in the series after the 6/16/11 audio also has a reference to 501c3. In the

audio of 6/23/11 he specifically states his Church is not 501c3 at about the 2 minute mark. He goes on to

rant about 501c3 a little. Here is the link, not that it will matter because on this forum he is bad because

"groupthink" indicates he is bad.

http://blip.tv/pastormikeonline/pastor-mike-online-06-23-11-5322098




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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2012, 09:23:06 am »

Jesus Christ told his disciples "Feed my sheep". ANY pastor that has to get a license from the government(in this case filing Articles of Incorporation with the state) is NOT doing any favors to their flock. As a matter of fact, they are hurting their flock more than they are helping them.

Believe me, I've sat in the pews of this system since I was a kid in the early 80's, and the leaven is very obvious. And this isn't a Pastor Mike issue, it's an issue with 99% of churches in America today b/c either 1) Their greed for money, 2) Their heavy lack for discernment, or 3) Their willing ignorance.

Joh 6:24  When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
Joh 6:25  And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Joh 6:26  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2012, 10:00:17 am »


Pasture Mike's second audio in the series after the 6/16/11 audio also has a reference to 501c3. In the

audio of 6/23/11 he specifically states his Church is not 501c3 at about the 2 minute mark. He goes on to

rant about 501c3 a little. Here is the link, not that it will matter because on this forum he is bad because

"groupthink" indicates he is bad.

http://blip.tv/pastormikeonline/pastor-mike-online-06-23-11-5322098


Your point? The church is registered as NON PROFIT with the secretary of state. That requires a 501c3 filling. sorry you cant accept that. Look i liked Pastor Mike, some of his teachings were very good, others were very screwball. The guy came out and said in his Romans 13 teaching that HE would protect his church and that they should trust him. Sorry, but that is right out of the Governments clergy response team hand book.

You can find likes and faults with everyone, i wont argue that. But its that statement from Pastor Mike that did it for me. Your more than welcome to like and follow him.
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