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« on: December 20, 2010, 03:57:41 pm »

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/Recommended-Reading/early-church-views.html

Could you guys at least gleam through this and tell me what you think?

Why in the world are some "Christian ministries" attacking Paul??
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 06:23:53 am »

Its crap. That site is crap. This all comes down to wanting to keep people under the law. Im sure youve seen these arguments over at PPF. Lets look at their first claim, after that there isnt any reason to look any farther.

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A. Luke Negative On Paul's Apostleship Coming From Jesus Christ
For example, while Paul claimed Jesus appointed himself (Paul) an apostle of Jesus Christ, in none of the three vision accounts - evidently which Luke heard from Paul and recorded in Acts 9, 22 and 26 -- does Luke identify Jesus making Paul His apostle. Jesus appoints Paul solely as a "witness" -- a martus in Greek. Jesus never says that Paul will be His apostle.

Also in Acts 1, Luke says Judas's replacement as an apostle is Matthias, not Paul.

As a result, scholars note that in "Acts...Paul is denied the title of Apostle." (Martin Hengel, Anna M. Schwemer, Paul between Damascus and Antioch: the unknown years (Westminster John Knox Press, 1997) at 321 n. 3.)

They make the claim that it want Jesus that appointed Paul. Well the first thing to do is to look at Gods Word, the KJB.  Wink

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

 Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


So here we can clearly see that it is indeed Jesus himself that calls Paul. I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. Now what does Jesus tell Paul to do?

Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.


Did you see that? Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

So Paul was ordered into the city and THEN he would be told what to do. So Jesus said go here and get your orders.

10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

 11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,


So here we see Jesus appearing to Ananias, and giving him Pauls instructions. This is where we see Pauls appointment.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Acts 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.


There is Jesus's appointment of Paul, from the Lords mouth to Ananias to Paul, just as Jesus said back in Acts 9:6. So Paul was picked and appointed by Jesus himself. So this claim, their first claim on that site is busted. If you cant even get the first one right who cares about the rest. Also remeber that it was always Jesus himself that picked the Apostles.

Now the other Apostles especially Peter and John fully accepted Paul and his ministry as well as JESUS HIMSELF.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 07:53:29 am »

Thanks Dok, not that I believed this site word for word, but it distressed me a bit when I saw it, and wanted to make sure from you guys.

Yes, while I won't name the poster at PPF who pm'd me this, this person said that the KJV is Catholic(and also said persecutions against believers during the Protestant Reformation was also committed by King James), among other things.

Again, I won't name the poster, but through a short conversation I had with this person via pm there, this person said all this.

I don't want to endorse the NIV here, but at least THIS perverted version does a halfway decent job in portraying Paul in a good light.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 08:02:00 am »

Thanks Dok, not that I believed this site word for word, but it distressed me a bit when I saw it, and wanted to make sure from you guys.

Yes, while I won't name the poster at PPF who pm'd me this, this person said that the KJV is Catholic(and also said persecutions against believers during the Protestant Reformation was also committed by King James), among other things.

Again, I won't name the poster, but through a short conversation I had with this person via pm there, this person said all this.

I don't want to endorse the NIV here, but at least THIS perverted version does a halfway decent job in portraying Paul in a good light.

King James didnt translate the Bible, he didnt write any part of it. I can think of who your talking about. All King James did was give permission for the work to be done, in violation of the Popes edicts, due to a request from the people. All these attacks against King James himself has nothing to do with the Bible itself, if you dont like KJV than call it the Authorized Version.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 09:50:02 am »

Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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God's Word is final authority.  Paul, an apostle, called by Jesus Christ.
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