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« on: July 30, 2011, 05:52:17 pm »

In their heyday of the 1970s and 80s, televangelists like Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker drew in hundreds of thousands of worshippers and millions of dollars before scandal and corruption gutted individual ministries and then the entire genre.

Now, however, the Internet has made it easy and inexpensive to distribute video sermons around the world, breathing new life into virtual ministries and even providing a second act for a few infamous televangelists, a Canadian researcher says.

"They see the technology as a God-given opportunity to spread the message," says Denis Bekkering, a PhD candidate in the joint program in religious studies at Wilfrid Laurier University of Waterloo, Ont.

"So when new technology such as radio or television - or in this case, Internet video - arises, these groups are often eager to employ them as tools for that purpose."

He coined the term "intervangelism" for this new breed of tech-enabled ministry, and his research is published in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Religion and Popular Culture.

Like their televangelist predecessors, online preachers have huge global reach, he says, but now they can integrate video sermons with podcasts, Google map directions to their bricks-and-mortar churches and interactive components that allow worshippers to talk back and to each other.

Bekkering is even studying a handful of ministries that consist of nothing but a lone preacher in his living room with a video camera and basic editing software.

"Televangelists, to become international in the '70s and '80s, had to put very heavy investments into cable and satellite technology," he says. "And now, anybody who has a cheap digital camera and an Internet-ready computer can broadcast around the globe."

Aside from intervangelists, proselytizing faiths are often on the cutting-edge of using new media to connect with their flocks and reach out to potential followers.

Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia has created a filmmaking "ministry" called Sherwood Pictures that's produced four full-length films, including Courageous, which will open in limited theatres across Canada on Sept. 30.

The budgets are tiny and the cast and crew are volunteers drawn from its congregation, with the exception of Christian actor and former Growing Pains heartthrob Kirk Cameron, who starred in the third film, Fireproof.

The most financially successful of Sherwood's productions so far, the movie pulled in $33.5 million US at the box office, though it was skewered by critics for being maudlin, facile or even misogynistic.

Even Sherwood's production process is imbued with Christian values, with Cameron's real-life wife standing in for his onscreen wife in a kissing scene because of his personal commitment to kiss no one else.

"With hope-filled, heartfelt storytelling, the moviemaking ministry of Sherwood Baptist Church continues to touch the world from Albany, Georgia," the church says of its mission.

The most prominent online face of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are a retinue of "mommy-bloggers" with impeccable hipster fashion sense, impossibly adorable children and devoted, model-handsome husbands.

The addictive ebullience of Mormon blogs such as Underage and Engaged (http://underagedandengaged.blogspot.com/), Nat the Fat Rat (http://www.natthefatrat.com) and Rockstar Diaries (http://taza-and-husband.blogspot.com/) was spotlighted in a Salon article earlier this year.

But the professional-grade photography and flawless writing and design of the sites - to say nothing of their sparkling vision of domestic bliss -prompted some readers to suggest they are in fact very elaborate marketing tools.

Not so, says Ron Wilson, senior manager of Internet and advertising for the church, which also maintains a social network on Mormon.org that lets curious outsiders chat with church members in their age group, gender or region.

The blogs are a digital extension of the faith's focus on journalling, maintained by real people, he says, and the Internet is a natural place for Mormons to continue the public missionary work they've undertaken since their founding in 1830.

"We look at Internet and social media as a new town square," Wilson says.

"We've been doing it as long as it's been there and it just makes perfect sense for us that we participate in the conversation."

Bekkering says that just like the rest of the world, some intervangelists have learned painful lessons about how personal reputations can spin out of control online.

Robert Tilton was a Dallas-based televangelist who led a massive airwave flock in the 1980s and early 90s, until his empire collapsed under financial scandal.

In his heyday, Tilton had a habit of pausing in his sermons, squeezing his eyes shut and then rearranging his face into a look of wide-eyed cartoon joy when divine inspiration arrived.

Online pranksters strategically dubbed extravagant flatulence sound effects into his video sermons, turning Tilton - who's now trying to make a comeback - into a punchline.

"Most people know him best as The Farting Preacher," says Bekkering, adding that it appears Tilton may be trying to stuff the online genie back in its bottle by claiming copyright infringement.

"Now he has to compete with somebody who's hijacked his image."

In another case, detractors made a savage parody video about Eddie Long, a Georgia megachurch preacher who was accused of grooming young men for sexual abuse.

The cases were settled out of court in May.

Some former televangelists, like Tilton and Jim Bakker, are trying to use the Internet to stage a comeback after the collapse of their televised ministries, but there's also a new generation of digital-native preachers, Bekkering says.

Rick Warren - whose Saddleback Church in Lake Forest,California lays claim to a weekly attendance of 20,000 - skipped the TV distribution channel entirely in favour of online broadcasts.

And Joel Osteen, who presides over a 42,000-member Lakewood Church flock that worships in the former Compaq Centre where the Houston Rockets used to play, posts social media messages at a furious pace.

"Everyday, he's posting some sort of small message on Facebook, be it a biblical verse with a little bit of explanation or just a motivational message, and he's getting hundreds and hundreds of responses from people," says Bekkering.

"And often, people address Joel as though he would read through all of these comments."

One of the major clearing houses for intervangelism videos, StreamingFaith.com - a sort of Christian YouTube, without the objectionable content or piano-playing cats - originally didn't allow for much interaction by users, Bekkering says.

Now, however, the site and others like it (yes, there's a GodTube) are moving into a more sophisticated "Internet campus" model, in which forums pop up right next to a video, allowing virtual worshippers to chat as a service is being delivered.

"You see people commenting that they're watching from Hong Kong or any location around the world," he says.

"There's often a statement of regret that they can't be there in person."

But research during the high point of televangelism found that viewers might faithfully watch and donate to their favourite TV pastor, but that was a supplement and not a replacement for the churches they attended in real life, and Bekkering suspects the same thing will happen with intervangelism.

He predicts that, like much of the Internet, these virtual ministries will continue to diversity and find specialized niches.

But there's still one common thread that links all these intervangelists with their televised predecessors: money.

"It's hard to find a site that doesn't have a PayPal donation button," Bekkering says.

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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 04:17:07 am »

Fallen Televangelist Jim Bakker Now Hawking Apocalyptic Survivalist Gear On The Web

What kind of gift can you get for the budding survivalist in your life? How about a great big Jim Bakker food bucket.

The disgraced televangelist is now hawking survivalist gear and books about the apocalypse on his website almost 20 years after he was released from prison on a conviction of bilking followers out of millions of dollars.

Back from the evangelical wilderness, Bakker now tapes a daily TV show from the rolling Ozarks of Missouri and uses his website to pitch what he calls “love gifts,” essentially a variety of odd products including “Tiffany style” jewelery, fuel-less generators and buckets of dried food.

For just $500, you can get “Jim’s All American 4 Star Vegetable” buckets. A cool two grand will get you the “Jerry Jones Special,” which promises “over 3,300 servings of food and enough fuel to cook 480 meals.”

Preparing for the end of the world is nothing new for Bakker, who served almost five years in prison following his conviction for the $158 million rip off of his followers. “Pastor Jim,” as he calls himself now, published a book in 1998 called Prosperity and the Coming Apocalypse, which he sells on his site for $20 and proclaims: “This is not just a book of prophecy, it is a book of survival.”

His longtime wife Tammy Faye having divorced him while he was in prison, Bakker married his new wife, Lori, the same year he published the book. She now works beside him as a pastor at the Jim Bakker Show and offers her own line of products like the “Lori’s Little Lambs Chrystal Necklace” for $35.

Most of the goods, the Bakkers assure their followers, are at least partially tax deductible.

And by the way, if you buy into Bakker’s new pitch and end up getting impatient waiting for the end of the world or the next earth-changing disaster, there’s another place where you might be able to put the survivalist gear to use. As io9 noted earlier this year, Bakker’s long abandoned amusement park called Heritage USA is something of a “post-apocalyptic ghost town” these days.

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BA mentioned something about the new-age infiltrating and being behind the survivalist movement, ill have to look into that. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 09:00:59 am »

^^

When reading the Randall Baer "Inside the New Age Nightmare" book, Baer briefly talked about how the "survivalist" industry is New Age(Yes, he did attend New Age activities where he went out into the woods to prepare survivalist skills, but it wasn't like these survivalist skills were New Age per se, but this was a DIFFERENT part of this book).

Anyhow, I believe in another part of his book where Baer talked about all the industries et al that were connected to the NAM, he mentioned the "survivalist" industries being so.

Also, when I was researching survivalist web sites(where they were selling food, gear, et al), I got the impression that these companies, sites, etc were New Age.

As for Jim Bakker - well, what can you say? The guy's at it again - he really knows how to scheme a buck off of his gullible listeners.

As for Christians getting prepared in these last days - no, I have no problem with them doing so. If one has the resources to do so, it would be a BAD idea to let all your money be sitting in the bank for those banksters to steal in the near future. But if one doesn't have the resources to do so(like me), then at least we have our KJVs and the Holy Spirit indwelling in us! Smiley
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When reading the Randall Baer "Inside the New Age Nightmare" book, Baer briefly talked about how the "survivalist" industry is New Age(Yes, he did attend New Age activities where he went out into the woods to prepare survivalist skills, but it wasn't like these survivalist skills were New Age per se, but this was a DIFFERENT part of this book).

Anyhow, I believe in another part of his book where Baer talked about all the industries et al that were connected to the NAM, he mentioned the "survivalist" industries being so.

not finding that, could you give the page number? The PDF is searchable.

Also, when I was researching survivalist web sites(where they were selling food, gear, et al), I got the impression that these companies, sites, etc were New Age.

Where have you been? I havent found any sites like that.

As for Jim Bakker - well, what can you say? The guy's at it again - he really knows how to scheme a buck off of his gullible listeners.

As for Christians getting prepared in these last days - no, I have no problem with them doing so. If one has the resources to do so, it would be a BAD idea to let all your money be sitting in the bank for those banksters to steal in the near future. But if one doesn't have the resources to do so(like me), then at least we have our KJVs and the Holy Spirit indwelling in us! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 09:35:14 am »

I'm having trouble downloading it off of this link...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34781548/Baer-Inside-the-New-Age-Nightmare-Former-New-Age-Leader-Exposes-the-Movement-1989

Apparently, you have to have a facebook account(which I don't care for) to download it.

Anyhow, I know he mentioned a blurb over how the survivalist industry is New Age. But again, some of these industries connected to the New Age actually DO sell GOOD products, like alot of these vitamin companies(which my parents regularly buy from), so it's not like every thing they sell and promote has demonic spirits attached to it. Ditto the survivalist goods - it wouldn't be a bad idea to start buying some of these products if one has the resources to do so.

Anyways, back to the OP - it looks like good 'ole Jim Bakker is back to his bag of tricks again. And even worse, his son is masquerading as a minister of the gospel while promoting the homosexual agenda.
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WATCH ALL 3 SHOWS WITH TOM HORN & JIM BAKKER

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/

Wow, well not really wow. But come on man, you couldnt find something better to hawk your goods on than JIM BAKKER? Heck whats next Oprah?
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WATCH ALL 3 SHOWS WITH TOM HORN & JIM BAKKER

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/

Wow, well not really wow. But come on man, you couldnt find something better to hawk your goods on than JIM BAKKER? Heck whats next Oprah?

Yeah - I thought Jim Bakker was one of the PROSPERITY preachers Huh Not that I find Horn a credible source to begin with, but him and Bakker is definitely an ODD couple to begin with. He'll probably have Joel Osteen on next week, who knows?
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YEARS OF DI$NEYLAND/DI$NEYWORLD MIND CONTROL RECRUITING OF CHIDREN / CONNECTIONS OF WALT/ TBN and "CHRISTIAN" LEADERS EXPOSED

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/florida/12220-keep-your-children-out-disneyland-alone.html

... Disneyland Hotel offers Character Breakfasts, where children eat breakfast with Disney characters, to people who make special arrangements. U.S. Special Forces, which carries out mind-control, owns two hotels near Disney World, and the Mormons have one also. Knott’s Berry Farm with its Ghost Town, Amusement Park, & its Charlie Brown themes and characters is near Disneyland.

LISTEN UP all you parents: One of the Disney executives began one of the most horrible trauma-based mind-control programming centers in Los Angeles called Magic Castle a comedy warehouse. This trauma center had horrible torture chambers. Children were brought in from South and Central America to be programmed at the Magic Castle. A brave L.A. policeman exposed the place, for which he lost his job, and eventually was able to get the site closed. One of Disney’s recent ventures in their Disney Institute, which Newsweek labeled "the Disneyland of the Mind", is a private club called Club 33 at Disneyland located upstairs in the New Orleans Square is believed to be involved in ...

LISTEN UP all you CHRISTIANS and RELIGIOUS parents: MELODYLAND! Right smack across from the entrance to Disneyland is the Assembly of God’s Melodyland Christian Center, the birthplace of TEN (Trinity Broadcasting Network). The Assembly of God denomination has been heavily infiltrated by the Illuminati, and has been heavily used as a front for programmed slaves. Paul Crouch, president of Trinity Broadcasting Systems, Inc., was affiliated with Melodyland in 1973 when TBS was getting started. At that time, Melodyland was a rich heavily infiltrated charismatic church, with its share of programmed multiples.

In 1973, closet homosexual minister Jim Bakker, and his wife Tammy Faye, a programmed multiple were with Paul Crouch in Anaheim at Melodyland. Paul Crouch had been the assistant pastor of Bakker’s home church in Muskegon, MI. Crouch’s right hand man was Alexander Valderrama, a charismatic Roman Catholic. TBS used an abandoned military base as their TV complex, using hangers as studios. In the early 70’s, ABC put Bakker & Crouch’s early shows on their affiliate stations on Sunday morning. Bakker had already gotten his career kicked off with Illuminatus Pat Robertson and his 700 Club. Jim Bakker split and went to the east coast. To help Bakker with his money, Bill Perkins, who had been a financial analyst for the World Order’s mind-control research at Sandia National Labs in Livermore came to help Bakker run his ministry’s finances.

Later, televangelist Bakker began building Heritage USA, which was to be a big-money resort. Bakker hired people who had worked for Disney to construct Heritage USA. Bakker studied Disneyland, Disneyworld, and other Disney places as a model for Heritage USA. After Disneyworld opened in Florida, Jim Bakker was a REGULAR visitor to it. Heritage USA’s Ft. Heritage was modelled after Disney’s Ft. Wilderness, Main St. was modelled after the Magic Kingdom’s Main St., and Disney’s wrought-iron fencing was also copied.

Most people are aware of Jim Bakker’s $265,000 payoff to Jessica Hahn to keep her sexual services to him a secret, his longtime homosexual relationship with his right hand man David Taggart, and his prison sentence. James Orson (named after Orson Welles) Bakker was from Muskegon, the same place that Cathy O’Brien, a freed Mind-controlled slave came from. He was born pre-
mature, and had some interesting family situations that make his family suspect.

While Cathy O'Brien got programmed via the Catholics, Jim was part of another denomination which also was into programming, the charismatic Assemblies of God. His grandfather, who lived next door to Jim, and where Jim spent much childhood time with was popularly known in town as a "huckster", and nicknamed Kingfish after the manipulative character on Amos & Andy. Tammy his wife grew up in International Falls, MN in poverty in the home of her stepfather and mother. Besides having a "shopping demon," she has had her share of phobias and mental problems, as can be expected from someone who has had to suffer through programming.

I think it's worth pointing out who went to Jim Bakker’s rescue when he was under attack. For instance, on Thursday, Oct. 4, 1984 when Jim was under attack, Jim Bakker’s show had six people give endorsements and praise of Jim Bakker. Those were Ronald Reagan, Dale Evans, Robert Schuller, Oral Roberts, Billy Graham and Rex Hubbard. Of those, this author knows for sure that all are masons, except for Rex, who may or may not be. Robert Schuller, Billy Graham and Oral Roberts are "Christian ministers" who participate in using and handling mind-control slaves. These three ministers all participate in secret Satanic rituals. The last few paragraphs have given only a sketchy picture of the intimate relationship between Disney Mind-control and the charismatic movement and its use of trauma-based total mind-control.

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Read most of it in the link, very interesting...

When I was in elementary school many years ago - our music/phys ed classes would once in awhile be shown Disney movies - one Disney movie centered around a young baseball fan who finds out he can close his eyes and make these "repetitive word sayings", so that his favorite player on his favorite team can do well.

It was after this movie when I started keeping up with baseball - and for some reason, I started doing these nonsense trances while attending games(thinking it would help my favorite team win). When I told my parents about this, they were all but horrified at me(and rightfully so).

Pt I'm trying to make here is that these entertainment products(whether Disney or whatever) are VERY dangerous to the eyes and mind - don't think for one minute you can just merely "sick back and watch it as only entertainment", b/c they WILL overcome you.

Proverbs 4:14  Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.
Pro 4:15  Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
Pro 4:16  For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.
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Here is Jims kid.., apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree..

Gay-Affirming Pastor Jay Bakker: “I Am Definitely Questioning the Atonement”



Self-labeled “evangelical punk preacher” Jay Bakker, son of televangelists Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Faye Bakker Messner, has released a new book that calls into question many of orthodox Christianity’s long-held beliefs.

According to the Christian Post (CP), which recently ran a rather lengthy article and interview with the 37-year-old pastor of Revolution Church NYC, Bakker’s new book will encourage “Christians to doubt, question and re-examine their beliefs and the Bible in pursuit of the ‘unknown God of limitless grace’ that [Bakker's] come to know through his own faith journey.” Faith, Doubt and Other Lines I’ve Crossed is, according to CP, “heavy on love and grace and selective in its assessment of Scripture.”

Writes CP reporter Nicola Menzie:

    Although Bakker’s theology may cause some readers to bristle, his demands for a more biblically literate, compassionate and socially-conscious Christian Church certainly hold merit. As the preacher explained to The Christian Post this week, there is plenty that the Church has gotten right in terms of combating poverty and hunger, but he also insists Christians need to re-think the issues he believes much of the community has gotten wrong – especially when it comes to gays and lesbians. Source

Of course, that Jay Bakker is LGBTQ-affirming is no surprise to most Christians. Neither, then, does it shock that Bakker would seek to persuade believers to “doubt, question and re-examine their beliefs and the Bible.” Yet, Amy Spreeman of Stand Up for the Truth draws attention to a graver statement made by Bakker in this CP interview: Jay Bakker, perhaps unsurprisingly to some, appears to deny the atonement.

CP asked of Bakker:

    You mentioned deconstructing faith. You also seem to deconstruct the traditional Christian doctrine of the atonement, the belief that Jesus died for the world’s sins. In Faith, Doubt you write on page 58 that a God who asks us to love our enemies…”cannot also require some sort of ‘payment’ or ‘satisfaction’ or ‘substitution.’” Please clarify that. Source

To which Bakker replied:

    Yes, I am definitely questioning the atonement and trying to discover how we can see it in a different way. We’ve got this image of God who needs some sort of flesh, some sort of blood, that needs some sort of vengeance to pay for sin. My experience of a loving God who’s asked me to love my enemies – this isn’t a God that demands something before you are accepted. I think Jesus died because Jesus was inclusive. God is inclusive. I think that the idea of God somehow being separated from us was more man’s idea. Source

Commenting on this, Spreeman rightly notes that the atonement

    has long been a non-negotiable doctrine of Christianity. The shedding of the blood of the lamb of God for the sins of the world is a rather big deal. You can’t preach about repentance for sins and the hope of a risen Christ without that key element. Source

The doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement, which Bakker is “trying to discover…in a different way,” is made quite clear in Scripture. The idea that Christ died on the cross as the perfect sacrifice and substitute for sinners, bearing the punishment and wrath of God deserved by men, is vital not merely to faith, but to salvation. As the perfect, unblemished sacrifice (1 Pet. 1:18–19), Christ’s death became the full payment for the sins of those who would believe, satisfying the holy wrath, righteousness and justice of God.

Isaiah 53 not only predicts the suffering and death of Christ long before the incarnation, but it also points the reader to this idea of atonement (Isa. 53:5–6, 12). Numerous other scriptures clearly teach the necessity and reality of the atonement, only a sampling of which shall be offered here:

    the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom. 3:22–26

    For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Cor. 5:21

    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— Gal. 3:13

    he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Heb. 9:12

The historic creeds and confessions of the church, which concisely teach those doctrines that are present in God’s Word, also affirm the penal substitutionary atonement. As one example, the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith reads:

    Christ, by His obedience and death, fully discharged the debt of all those who are justified, and by the sacrifice of himself through the blood of His cross, underwent instead of them the penalty due to them, so making a proper, real, and full satisfaction to God’s justice on their behalf. Yet because He was given by the Father for them, and because His obedience and satisfaction was accepted instead of theirs (and both freely, not because of anything in them), therefore they are justified entirely and solely by free grace, so that both the exact justice and the rich grace of God might be glorified in the justification of sinners.

    1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 11, Section 3

Jay Bakker says that he “still sees Christ as the messiah and the Son of God” and that he views Jesus as “the closest thing to God.” Of course, the Bible affirms that Jesus Christ is not merely the “closest thing to God,” but is God (John 1:1, 8:24, 58, 10:30–33). Continues Bakker:

    In order to deconstruct the atonement theory really [it] all comes from the message of Christ, and the message of love and grace and acceptance and loving your enemies and forgiving those who persecute you. Source

Sadly, by deconstructing the atonement, Bakker is eliminating the greatest expression of love ever offered.

    In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:9–10

As CP rightly notes, Bakker’s work likely will be “filed alongside the works of Peter Rollins, Rob Bell, Brian D. McLaren” and other leaders and voices of the emergent church. And as men such as this continue in their strivings to twist, distort and deconstruct the clear Word of God, those who have built upon the foundation of God’s Word nevertheless can stand firm, knowing that it shall never waver, despite the strongest efforts of its enemies (Matt. 5:18, 24:35; Luke 21:33; Mark 13:31).

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False Teacher And Televangelist Fraud Jim Bakker Now Selling $45 Gold-Plated Trump Coin That Will Give You A 'Point Of Contact' With God • Now The End Begins

Former Charlotte televangelist Jim Bakker and prosperity gospel preacher Lance Wallnau have teamed up to sell a gold-plated Trump ‘prayer coin’ for $45.

If I could speak with prosperity preacher and prover fraud Jim Bakker, I would want to thank him. I would thank him for once again proving that the Prosperity Gospel, in all its many forms, is nothing more than what you get when con artists and religionists have a baby. Jim Bakker’s latest offering, a gold-plated Trump coin that will give you special ‘access to God’ is right up there with Miracle Spring Water from Peter Popoff, the laughable ‘vow of faith‘ from Robert Tilton, all the way up to Paula White and her insane ‘Lazarus Seed‘ scam where you send her $1,144 so she can give you a ‘financial resurrection’.

“A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?” Jeremiah 5:30,31 (KJV)

If your church preaches the Prosperity Gospel you need to repent of that mess and leave immediately. All prosperity gospel churches like those of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Joel Osteen and all the others are a false gospel. Instead of buying Jim Bakker’s pathetically opportunistic gold-plated Trump coin, why don’t you go give that $45 to your churches mission fund, or buy some gospel tracts to reach the lost, or go buy a homeless person a hot meal and show then the love of Christ.

I believe that Donald Trump was specifically chosen by God, as Daniel says all rulers are, to accomplish His will in these last days concerning Israel. President Trump has done some amazing things for the Jews and Israel. But when you start making gold coins, or golden calves, you have erected an idol and that’s an abomination before the Lord. Jim Bakker needs to get saved and preach the actual gospel. Pray for his salvation.
Former Charlotte Televangelist Jim Bakker Selling $45 Trump Coin As ‘Point of Contact With God’

FROM CHARLOTTE STORIES: The coin includes images of Donald Trump and Ancient King Cyrus on the front, with a crest of words reading; “The 70 Year Decree Cyrus – Trump Proclamation”. A Bible passage in Isaiah 45:1 and “The 45th President” are engraved on the back.

Some have compared Donald Trump to King Cyrus after he moved the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. People also point out that Donald Trump is the 45th President, and that in Isaiah 45:4, it is written about Cyrus that God will “bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me”, some say that Trump, likewise has been given a title of honor without ever truly acknowledging God.

    “When I asked the Lord, ‘Why the coin?’ he said ‘Because when you take the coin, it’s a point of contact,’” Wallnau told Bakker on his show.

The coin is being advertised and sold through former Charlotte televangelist Jim Bakker’s ‘The Jim Bakker Show’.
Bakker is most well known for scamming investors out of millions of dollars to build Heritage USA, a sprawling 2,300-acre tv broadcasting, conference, and amusement park complex in Fort Mill.

The complex first opened in 1978, and by 1986 it was attracting nearly 6 million visitors annually and employing about 2,500 people from around the Charlotte region. Throughout most of the 80s, Jim Bakker was investigated on a slew of embezzlement, fraud, and **** charges.

In 1982 the FCC sent a detailed fraud report to the Justice Department. They decided not to press charges due to insufficient evidence. Bakker then used the controversy to raise even more funds from his audience, branding the investigation as a “witch-hunt”.

    In 1988 he was arrested on 8 counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and, 1 count of conspiracy.

A Charlotte jury found Bakker guilty on all 24 counts and he was sentenced to 45 years in federal prison and given a $500,000 fine. His prison sentence was reduced to 8 years in 1992. He was paroled in July of 1994, after serving almost 5 years in jail.

In 2003, he relaunched his televangelism career with a new daily show called The Jim Bakker Show, co-hosted with his second wife, Lori. READ MORE

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Televangelist Jim Bakker Fights to Keep Selling Sham COVID-19 ‘Cure From God’

Televangelist Jim Bakker is fighting the state of Missouri—and now a class-action lawsuit—for the right to continue peddling a phony COVID-19 “cure.”

The Missouri Attorney General sued the 80-year-old Bakker to stop him and his company from promoting and selling Silver Solution, a product his TV show falsely claimed could cure coronavirus, HIV, SARS, and other illnesses.

On Monday, Bakker filed a motion to dismiss on the grounds of First Amendment and religious freedom. That filing included a declaration from one of Bakker’s employees, who said the TV pastor feels “divinely inspired” to bring the silver mixture to the masses.

But Bakker is also battling a class-action lawsuit over his sale of the concoction, The Daily Beast has learned. The complaint, filed in late March by Missouri resident Ronnie Karin, accuses Bakker and his Morningside Church Productions of common law fraud, unjust enrichment and of violating consumer protection laws.

Karin said he purchased Silver Solution from December 2019 through March 2020 after Bakker’s TV show claimed the product could treat not only COVID-19, but also SARS, H1N1, and cold and flu symptoms.

“It makes it all the more egregious,” Tim Dollar, a lawyer for Karin, told The Daily Beast. “You have a situation where a product is already on the market and you seem to pivot its use to whatever the fear is, regardless of the scientific evidence.”

Karin relied on the bottle’s “all natural” and “clinically tested” labels. But, according to his lawsuit, “Silver Solution cannot treat or cure any disease, has not been clinically tested for its capacity to do so, and is not ‘all natural.’”

The Silver Solution bottle indicates it’s made of purified silver (50 mcg per 1 teaspoon serving) and deionized water, which Karin’s lawsuit claims is not “all natural” because it is “artificially created through a process of distillation or reverse osmosis.”

In answer to the lawsuit, Bakker’s legal team denied Karin’s accusations and said his claims are barred in part by the First Amendment. Reached by The Daily Beast, the lawyers declined to comment on Karin’s complaint.

“Each of the products offered on The Jim Bakker Show, including Silver Solution, are products that Pastor Bakker and Morningside feel divinely inspired to offer to the world.”

— Maricela Woodall, president of Morningside Church Productions

Bakker’s church isn’t the only one facing government crackdowns over dubious COVID-19 treatments. A federal judge issued an injunction against the Florida-based Genesis II Church of Health and Healing for its “mineral miracle solution” (MMS) which the FDA said “has a chlorine dioxide content equivalent to industrial bleach.”

Genesis II “archbishop” Mark Grenon claimed he wrote to President Trump about chlorine dioxide before the president floated bizarre, dangerous treatments during a press conference, suggesting that injecting disinfectants might fight COVID-19. On Tuesday, Australian media reported the country’s health officials are also warning about the dangers of MMS, as an international chapter of Genesis II Church continues hawking the “miracle cure.”

As for Bakker, Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt sued him in early March to stop his TV show and website from promoting the supplement as a coronavirus cure and from selling bottles in exchange for $80 to $125 donations.

Bakker also received a warning from the Food and Drug Administration and a cease and desist letter from New York Attorney General Letitia James—weeks after “naturopathic doctor” Sherrill Sellman appeared on his show and claimed Silver Solution could “eliminate [the virus] within 12 hours.”

This week, Bakker’s attorneys filed a motion to dismiss Schmitt’s case, saying the TV preacher’s religious freedoms are being violated. That court filing included a declaration from Maricela Woodall, the president of Morningside Church Productions, which operates the preacher’s The Jim Bakker Show.

“God gave us this product, I believe.”

— Jim Bakker, on Silver Solutions and coronavirus

“Our sincerely held religious beliefs require us to encourage our partners to prepare spiritually, mentally, and physically for the second corning of Christ, and assist them in doing so by bringing experts to our broadcasts to teach how to accomplish this goal,” Woodall stated in the declaration.

According to Woodall, Bakker’s ministry believes products like Silver Solution “have been made available to this generation by God.”

“Each of the products offered on The Jim Bakker Show, including Silver Solution, are products that Pastor Bakker and Morningside feel divinely inspired to offer to the world,” Woodall added. “Such offerings are an integral part of Morningside’s mission and a vital part of how we interact with our partners to spread the Word of God.”

“God gave us this product, I believe,” Bakker said on his show in February, before asking whether the concoction would be effective against COVID-19. Sellman told Bakker the product had successfully been tested on other strains of coronavirus. (It has not, according to the FDA, which warned “colloidal silver is not safe or effective for treating any disease or condition” in a notice targeting Bakker and other silver companies. It’s not clear, however, whether Bakker’s product is specifically “colloidal silver.”)

“Silver Sol has been proven by the government that it has the ability to kill every pathogen it has ever been tested on including SARS and HIV,” Sellman said. (Silver Sol does not kill SARS or HIV, previous FDA notices show. In 2003, the agency warned “colloidal silver” could not ward off SARS, and in 2009, issued similar warnings about “ionic silver” treatments for H1N1. Last year, the FDA warned a company its “colloidal silver” was not approved to treat HIV.)

“People say, ‘Well, we don’t want you to get panicked.’ Well, the thing of it is, I want you to be prepared. Order it now,” Bakker concluded, according to one chilling mashup of the interview with Sellman.

One of Bakker’s lawyers, former Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon, said the televangelist “is being unfairly targeted by those who want to crush his ministry and force his Christian television program off the air.”

“The video recording of The Jim Bakker Show clearly shows the allegations are false. Bakker did not claim or state that Silver Solution was a cure for COVID-19. This case is about religious freedom,” Nixon said in a statement.

“Similar silver products are commonly sold health supplements, available at Walmart, Amazon, CVS, and GNC,” Nixon added. “Targeting a Christian pastor, who has been using and offering the product for the past 10 years, is not supported by the facts or the law.”

In response to Nixon’s claim, Dollar told The Daily Beast, “Freedom of religion protects the government from interfering in your theological beliefs. It does not allow you to commit consumer fraud.”

While a page on Bakker’s website still has a spot for “Silver Sol Specials,” the product is no longer being sold online or on his show.

“Freedom of religion protects the government from interfering in your theological beliefs. It does not allow you to commit consumer fraud.”

— Tim Dollar, a lawyer for a plaintiff suing Jim Bakker

Derek Ankrom, a lawyer for Bakker, told The Daily Beast that while Attorney General Schmitt has requested an injunction, the court has not entered one against Baker or Morningside Church Productions.

“Nevertheless, Morningside has removed all references to the Silver Solution products from its television broadcasts, website, and social media pages, and has suspended any plans to offer those products as it awaits further direction from state and federal agencies,” Ankrom said in an email.

Bakker and his ex-wife Tammy rose to fame in the 1970s and ’80s after building a multimillion-dollar Christian empire that included their PTL Club show—short for “Praise the Lord”—and Heritage USA theme park.

But in 1987, their high-rolling world came crashing down, after Bakker resigned from his ministry following reports that he raped his then-21-year-old secretary and paid her $279,000 to keep quiet. (Bakker claimed the sex was consensual.)

One year later, Bakker was indicted for wire and mail fraud, accused of diverting millions in church donations to bankroll a luxurious lifestyle that included multiple houses, cars and a private jet. He was convicted and served five years behind bars.

After the controversy with the silver snake oil, Bakker begged his flock for funding in the form of cash or check lest he and his wife, Lori, be forced to file for bankruptcy. He claimed his credit card companies have cut him off.

“You can’t use credit cards if you do give to our ministry at this time because there’s a situation,” Bakker said on air in April, according to the Kansas City Star.

“Your products are going to come to you,” Bakker added. “Every one of them will come to you, come right to your house, and if we can’t, we are going to refund. I will sell the buildings, parts of the buildings at Morningside in the long run if you give me a chance.

“Don’t let me have to file for bankruptcy.”

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