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Noise of Thunder Radio with Chris Pinto

Welcome to the website of the Noise of Thunder Radio Show with your host Christian (Chris) J. Pinto. Our exciting new show will be striking controversial topics like the religion of the Founding Fathers, the hidden agenda of occult and secret societies like the Illuminati and the Freemasons, the deception and apostasy in the church, and the secret plot of the Jesuit Order (Society of Jesus).  The irrefutable evidence will shock you to your core, forcing you to dig into your Bible like never before. Strap on. Hold tight. The answers for the state of our world will soon be revealed.

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FUTURE CONGRESS & HERESCOPE CONTROVERSY

Future Congress & the Herescope Controversy
a response by Chris Pinto


We have received a number of emails and questions about my involvement in the Future Congress, which was put together by Tom Horn and David Hitt.  Before the conference took place, there was what appeared to be a “warning” from a website called “Herescope.”  While I am not terribly familiar with their position on things, they seem to defend a traditional Biblical view.  However, on this issue, I believe they have gone astray.  I will attempt to answer some of the primary objections that we have received on the issue.

2012 Prophecy


To get something quickly on the table – none of the teachers at the Future Congress (to my knowledge) believes that “the world will end in Dec. 2012” as has been asserted by some.  From what I remember of his book (Apollyon Rising 2012), Tom Horn capitalized on the buzz about 2012 to point people to Bible prophecy and the Gospel.  That was why I agreed to write the forward to it. 

Genesis 6


The article from “Herescope” is misguided, in my opinion.  They are simply against Tom Horn and Chuck Missler because of their interpretation of Genesis 6:2-4 which speaks of how “the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them …” Horn and Missler (along with many others at the Future Congress) believe these passages pertain to fallen angels who joined themselves to mortal women.  The offspring of the angels and mortal women were said to be “giants” or in Hebrew, Nephilim.  It is generally believed that many of the stories of the Greek and Roman demi-gods (half gods, half men, such as Hercules and Achilles) may have been based on tales of these “giants,” who are said to have been “mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

The Berean Call carries the documentary, “The UFO Conspiracy” that also teaches this view.  Dave Hunt gives a cameo interview in it, and we carry it on our Adullam Films website.  Generally, this documentary confronts the UFO phenomena, showing that according to the true scientific evidence (not what is shown on the History Channel), aliens and UFOs are identical to the demons of the ancient world.   To this, the leading secular experts in the field of UFO-logy agree, even those who are not necessarily Christian.   

In contrast, the Herescope writers seem to embrace the “sons of Seth” view, which argues that the “sons of God” who married the “daughters of men” were the righteous sons of Seth who married the wicked daughters of Cain.  How these unions produced “giants” (Nephilim) who were physically larger than ordinary men (and in some cases, malformed as in 2 Sam. 21:20) is not adequately explained.   The giants are not only mentioned in Genesis but they show up again when the spies of Israel encounter the “sons of Anak” in Numbers 13:33.  This seems to be explained in Genesis where it says the giants showed up “also after that” (Gen. 6:4).  Repeatedly, we find David and his mighty men battling giants who seemed unnatural and are always depicted as enemies. 

If we believe in all the incredible miracles of the Bible, the stories of God parting the Red Sea, of how angels were manifest as men at Sodom and Gomorrah, that the donkey of Balaam spoke to him, and so forth – why should it seem too incredible that angels may have married mortal women?  After all, we have the further account in Jude of “the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation” (Jude 1:6), saying that God keeps them in chains until Judgment Day.  What else could this mean?

Teachers like Tom Horn, Chuck Missler (and to a lesser extent, Dave Hunt) hold to the view that the alien phenomena is really a demonic deception that will somehow play into the end time scenario.  While I find much of the evidence compelling, it is not something I ordinarily teach on. 

Enter the Vatican


To me, the most interesting part of the UFO/Alien controversy is the role that the Vatican plays in all this.  Rome’s leading scientists are now arguing that, since it is likely that alien life exists, they say, it is illogical to expect that Jesus is the same way of salvation for both humans and extraterrestrials.  Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti from the Pontifical University in Rome has said:

“While Christ is the First and the Last Word (the Alpha and the Omega) spoken to humanity, he is not necessarily the only word spoke to the universe…. For, the Word spoken to us does not seem to exclude an equivalent ‘Word’ spoken to aliens.” (Source: Interdisciplinary Encyclopedia of Religion and Science)

Tanzella-Nitti was a professional astronomer who became a Catholic priest, and is now a professor of fundamental theology at the Pontifical University.  The word “pontifical” specifically refers to the Pope.  In a brochure promoting the University, Tanzella-Nitti says:

“The University is answering the call of the Holy Father by preparing its students for the New Evangelization.”

Considering all this, is it possible that what we are currently witnessing as “the New Evangelization” will be, at some point, governed by the concept of alien life on other planets?  The result of which will be the growing insistence that Jesus cannot possibly be the only way.  He must just be one way among many.  Hence, the Vatican’s plan for a one-world religion is being furthered by the alien phenomena.  If one studies Rome and the world of Astronomy, it will be discovered that, today, the Roman Catholic Church contains the leading experts in the field. 


One More Thing …


Tom Horn, David Hitt, and a number of others at the Future Congress are personal friends of mine, and I can testify that as I have known them, they impress me as sincere Christian men.   From what I could see of the various presentations at the conference in Branson, the presenters seemed to focus mostly on science, technology and the Bible.  Some of what I saw were presentations to strengthen people’s faith by showing the working of God through the universe, mathematics, physics, etc., while other presentations seemed to expose how occult powers manipulate the scientific world toward a wicked end.  There were many presentations given, and I only watched a few of them.  All in all, most of the people
I encountered were Christians who have an interest in science and technology – something that I confess I do not always understand.  I do not believe it is what the Lord has called me to teach on, so I stick to my own topics, and seek to exercise grace and charity toward my brethren in Christ. 

God bless,

Chris

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BEHIND THE EUROPEAN UNION

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Today's Show:  HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

Today, Chris discusses the importance of the resurgence of the Holy Roman Empire.  Learn how Tony Blair is contributing to the Romanist views of the Vatican and how other evangelical leaders are taking part in this ecumenical movement.

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Today, Chris continues his discussion on the European Union and the Holy Roman Empire.  Hear more about the connections of the Vatican to the European Union, and the overall goals of the EU.

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Today's Show:  BEHIND THE EUROPEAN UNION

Today, Chris talks more about the European Union and the forces behind it.  Hear more from the article by Prof. Arthur Noble dealing with this issue.  Learn how the Vatican has its hand in the European Union, as well as the impact the Vatican has on the world for centuries.

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Today, Chris finishes his discussion about the European Union. and their attempts to bring back the Holy Roman Empire.  Chris talks more about Rome's agendas and their influences on European nations.

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 06:18:26 am »

Sorry, Pinto is wrong about Christians running for secular office! We are NOT to entangle ourselves with the affairs of the world. PERIOD. "ye cannot serve two masters..."

Go back and read your bible again Chris!
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Sorry, Pinto is wrong about Christians running for secular office! We are NOT to entangle ourselves with the affairs of the world. PERIOD. "ye cannot serve two masters..."

Go back and read your bible again Chris!

 Huh Where did he say this?
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Huh Where did he say this?

Kilika, I think you must have misunderstood Chris - what Chris was pointing out is this is what DAVID BARTON is going around doing(ie-Barton is promoting Christians to push for Christians and conservatives to take over Washington politics, which is also what the occultic New Apostle Reformation is doing as well).

Are you sure you don't have Pinto and Barton mixed up on this?
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 02:11:58 pm »

Uh, no, I can hear just fine. It's in the last one for 9/30. He said it plain as day. At the beginning of the message, first few minutes. I know because I didn't listen to the rest after he was talking about it.

He starts on it at the 5 minute mark right after the Laura Engram/Pope segment. Take a listen. You guys really need to listen closer to these "preachers".

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump".

"Cursed be the man that trusteth in man..."
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 02:19:05 pm »

does God not raise up leaders? he also is NOT a preacher.
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 02:23:33 pm »

Uh, no, I can hear just fine. It's in the last one for 9/30. He said it plain as day. At the beginning of the message, first few minutes. I know because I didn't listen to the rest after he was talking about it.

He starts on it at the 5 minute mark right after the Laura Engram/Pope segment. Take a listen. You guys really need to listen closer to these "preachers".

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump".

"Cursed be the man that trusteth in man..."

I agree, we shouldn't trust in man - however, Pinto's a good source to at least gleam at, no different from Alex Jones's infowars. We're watching in these last days, and some of these sources are decent to gleam at.

I'm listening right now.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 02:30:35 pm »

Uh, no, I can hear just fine. It's in the last one for 9/30. He said it plain as day. At the beginning of the message, first few minutes. I know because I didn't listen to the rest after he was talking about it.

He starts on it at the 5 minute mark right after the Laura Engram/Pope segment. Take a listen. You guys really need to listen closer to these "preachers".

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump".

"Cursed be the man that trusteth in man..."

Actually, what Pinto said was that God CAN by his will put Christians in political office(ie-all things are possible with God), but it's wrong if these leaders entangle themselves in worldly affairs. He was talking rather hypothetically in this term. And he even made an example over how if Michelle Bachmann defended the faith and called out the Pope, then she WOULD be doing the will of God(whether or not people decides to vote for her on this).

But yes, I agree with you, Christians should stray far away from public office as much as possible.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2011, 02:37:14 pm »

I'm not trying to call out anyone here, but we need to listen to these audios carefully...

Yes, I am guilty of it myself as well(ie-many times I end up posting things taking people I hear out of context).Pinto has went on to say how we all need to continue to defend the faith, and we need to anticipate the world will hate us for it. And he's doing one heck of a job driving this point home.

As for God's will in putting Christians in political office...for the record, many have gotten saved attending Billy Graham crusades(personally, I got saved in a church that yoked itself up with Purpose Driven). So yes, anything is possible with God.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2011, 02:46:03 pm »

And that is why I put the word in quotations. I don't consider him a preacher. Maybe more like a teacher.

And your question is just a bit defensive don't you think? You know the answer Dok, of course God does. So what's your point? Men can be wrong. And Pinto is wrong on tht point. That is just the facts. My concern is that some within the body are elevating certain individuals to pedastals they don't belong on, that is why I posted the verse about trusting men.

We are to discern the spirits and doctrine of people, and I found Pinto wanting on that issue. Don't take it personal Dok. He's not perfect, but he's trying, which is more than some, though it may be of works at times, it's still an effort that more should make to get the truth out.

You know we cannot serve two masters. If a person is a politician and a Christian, they won't be a politician for very long. The world simply won't allow it. Remember that the world hates us. So the person that is friends with the world, is an enemy of God, and me and my brethren in Christ.

Show me in scripture where I'm wrong and he's right, and I'll repent. I'm sorry for causing an offense, but your reaction tells me that maybe you need to examine yourself about this guy? Maybe your a bit too much of a fan to see his doctrinal mistakes? God knows. But both of you jumped right up and questioned my post, but I was correct about what he said and you guys didn't even know it.

See, I listen to these audios more than you think because I don't trust ANY man, not even you Dok. It's nothing personal, it's just sound doctrine. I look at them and ask if they are correct doctrinally when compared to scripture. And on that point Pinto is wrong.

And I surely don't expect anyone to trust me, but to challenge what I preach by checking it with scrpture. I don't believe every spirit, I try them by the grace of God.

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No BA, he was not! That first sentence he made at the 5 minute mark was no hypothetical. It was his opinion, and a doctrinally incorrect opinin at that. Admit it. It's right there in scripture. Shall I flood this thread with the verses to prove it?

This defensiveness of a man is not good guys! Examine yourselves in humility, please!

All I did was point out something he is wrong about and here you two are getting offended and defensive? Hmm. Well, I can't speak to the guy overall because I just don't listen to him. Not interested. But on that point I did hear, well, the Word of God has my back, as usual. Thank you Jesus.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2011, 02:56:37 pm »

And your question is just a bit defensive don't you think? You know the answer Dok, of course God does. So what's your point? Men can be wrong. And Pinto is wrong on tht point.

of course God does and Men can be wrong. And Pinto is wrong on tht point

 Huh if the Lord does call men to be politicions, than where is Chris wrong? Hes not saying to follow any one. The Lord picks the Governments, not us.

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2011, 03:01:44 pm »

No BA, he was not! That first sentence he made at the 5 minute mark was no hypothetical. It was his opinion, and a doctrinally incorrect opinin at that. Admit it. It's right there in scripture. Shall I flood this thread with the verses to prove it?

This defensiveness of a man is not good guys! Examine yourselves in humility, please!

All I did was point out something he is wrong about and here you two are getting offended and defensive? Hmm. Well, I can't speak to the guy overall because I just don't listen to him. Not interested. But on that point I did hear, well, the Word of God has my back, as usual. Thank you Jesus.

Huh? Chris said at the 5 minute mark that a Christian can hold political office IF it's God's will, and he went on to say how it's very bad if they get into political office to entangle themselves in world affairs. He even made an example with Michelle Bachmann saying she should defend the faith, even if she gets alot of negative response, but she would be doing wrong if she defends the Pope.

I don't even know Chris Pinto(nor Alex Jones, among other people in independent media), why would be offended if someone criticizes him?
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2011, 03:09:03 pm »

Whoa Nelly! I didn't say that they could be a politician! You used the word "leaders" bro, to which I ageed. Had you used "politician" I would have disagreed. God doesn't and Pinto is wrong.

The Lord picks the governments? That sounds very much like the sales pitch of the "Romans 13 crowd". Not according to the bible I read. What scripture says is that the powers that be are ordained of God. BIG difference.

I mean seriously, you know who the ruler of this world is. This world is not the kingdom of Jesus, just as He said. It belongs to Satan for now to run, and ALL governments of the world are satanically run. ALL of them.

That means God ALLOWS things to happen, remember, free will? God allows man to go running off on his own tangent of works in the world, all the while God is patiently waiting for His son to come running back with his tail between his legs and repents for walking after the world.

So you think that whoever gets into political office is put there by God? Explain if you would.
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2011, 03:17:01 pm »

Again, please listen to what Pinto said in its entirety.

Yes, Pinto said he believes Christians are not allowed to run for political office, b/c God can raise them up to do so. But it's when they make POLITICALLY CORRECT statements to appease the world is where they go wrong, b/c they're entangling themselves in worldliness. He used Michelle Bachmann, a Lutheran(which of course is a sect that believes the Pope is the enemy), as an example(ie-Bachmann would say things to appease people like Laura Ingraham, who is a Catholic).

Now THAT was the point Pinto was driving home. He wasn't trying to say Christians should run for office and make this his point.

Look, come on, people, I understand a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. But at the same time, let's not have this mindset that ministers and watchmen have to be somehow infallible, and put a witchhunt on them to make sure they should be infallible.
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But at the same time, let's not have this mindset that ministers and watchmen have to be somehow infallible, and put a witchhunt on them to make sure they should be infallible.

Brother, how in the world do you go from one doctrinal point I showed to be incorrect, to saying that people who preach or teach are suppose to be infallible? I never suggested that at all BA. I pointed ONE single doctrinal point, and now I'm the bad guy?

"put a witch hunt on them"? What? Lord have mercy, what is wrong with you today? All I did was profess sound doctrine and now I'm being treated like this? We to stand in defense of the gospel, not men. Don't like it, take it up with our Lord!

I'm done. This is WAY out of control, and shows a need for some humility.
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Whoa Nelly! I didn't say that they could be a politician! You used the word "leaders" bro, to which I ageed. Had you used "politician" I would have disagreed. God doesn't and Pinto is wrong.

The Lord picks the governments? That sounds very much like the sales pitch of the "Romans 13 crowd". Not according to the bible I read. What scripture says is that the powers that be are ordained of God. BIG difference.

I mean seriously, you know who the ruler of this world is. This world is not the kingdom of Jesus, just as He said. It belongs to Satan for now to run, and ALL governments of the world are satanically run. ALL of them.

That means God ALLOWS things to happen, remember, free will? God allows man to go running off on his own tangent of works in the world, all the while God is patiently waiting for His son to come running back with his tail between his legs and repents for walking after the world.

So you think that whoever gets into political office is put there by God? Explain if you would.

Well, I hope I'm not trying to start an argument here, but wanted to bring this up while we're in this discussion...

I once knew a pastor who's church we attended when we would visit my brother's town in SW Louisiana. It was a very small church(maybe barely 10 members). Yes, a 501c3 et al, however, he was one of the most fire and brimstone, strong on faith, Godly men I've ever known. Every time we visited, he would be on fire preaching about sin, the wrath to come, and putting our faith in Jesus Christ and the gospel. I believe he is KJV-only too. Was he sinless? Absolutely not. However, there wasn't a bit of worldliness in his bones, despite all the health problems he had(he was walking on one leg for a good bit).

It came to a point where the church forced him out, and brought in a good-little-yes-ma'am SBC pastor. Last I heard he was working at a security guard somewhere, but he was always, I mean always thankful.

It was back in 2004 when one time in his sermon he mentioned how he thought George W. Bush was a true born again. Yes, this completely wrong. However, does this mean this pastor is a Freemason, wolf in sheep's clothing, etc, etc? Absolutely not. It means that he was just being deceived - like the rest of us Christians have been.

Pt being that let's have a little grace here - it's not like Chris said a couple of the Popes were good people, or some other off-the-wall comment. He made one comment b/c it sounded like he wanted to drive home his main point that Christians shouldn't entangle themselves in worldly affairs. Let's not try to go on a witchhunt here.
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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2011, 03:32:40 pm »

Whoa Nelly! I didn't say that they could be a politician! You used the word "leaders" bro, to which I ageed. Had you used "politician" I would have disagreed. God doesn't and Pinto is wrong.

The Lord picks the governments? That sounds very much like the sales pitch of the "Romans 13 crowd". Not according to the bible I read. What scripture says is that the powers that be are ordained of God. BIG difference.

I mean seriously, you know who the ruler of this world is. This world is not the kingdom of Jesus, just as He said. It belongs to Satan for now to run, and ALL governments of the world are satanically run. ALL of them.

That means God ALLOWS things to happen, remember, free will? God allows man to go running off on his own tangent of works in the world, all the while God is patiently waiting for His son to come running back with his tail between his legs and repents for walking after the world.

So you think that whoever gets into political office is put there by God? Explain if you would.

Dan 2:21   And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:  

Dan 4:17   This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.  


The Lord is on control of all things, including who our leaders are.

Act 5:33 ¶ When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.  


 Act 5:34   Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;  


 Act 5:35   And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.  


 Act 5:36   For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.  


 Act 5:37   After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, [even] as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.  


 Act 5:38   And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:  


 Act 5:39   But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.  


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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2011, 03:35:51 pm »

OK, let's get back to the topic - the 9/30 show is excellent.

Personally, it really mystifies me why evangelicals in mainstream circles have refused to hold anyone in the Religious Right accountable since the 80's. Pinto really hit on this how we should hold all of our leaders accountable.

I mean for years, it was like the messages I kept hearing was that God wants Christians to vote Republican b/c we're standing up for pro-life and pro-family.

Whatever happened to Christians voting Republican b/c they're standing up for the gospel of Jesus Christ? I've NEVER heard that.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2011, 04:25:07 pm »

Hmm, good verses Dok. But I must say that last verse works both ways bro! I have the Spirit within me, so that means it may well be God Almighty that moved me to point out the error, so then that means you may be found arguing with God. See how that works?

Getting you feathers ruffled over this should be a sign to you to pay real close attention to how you view these guys. Sorry if you disagree now, but your defensiveness over this Pinto guy is unacceptable for a believer. His ministry stands or falls on it's own. He doesn't need others to fight for him. His own words is what he must stand on and WILL be held accountable for.

I'm done now as I tried to do. This discussion went way too far, all because somebody got their feelings hurt that somebody would dare challenge one of these "teachers", and THAT is pride!

It's not a deal worth all this. A minor thing, so lets let it go already and get back to some peace.
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2011, 04:39:42 pm »

i didnt get mad or get my feathers ruffled. I just believe the Bible states that Jesus is in control of everything. And that includes leaders and politicians.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2011, 05:15:35 pm »

Look, come on, people, I understand a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. But at the same time, let's not have this mindset that ministers and watchmen have to be somehow infallible, and put a witchhunt on them to make sure they should be infallible.

Well, I will only say one more thing in this discussion - my comment in bold(to Kilika) went TOO far.(witchhunt) All the other believers in here, please don't use this language I did to a fellow brethren.

Eph 4:29  Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

1Co 15:33  Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34  Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 05:23:15 pm »

 Wink Thank you BA! "Son, thy sins be forgiven thee"

26   Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 
27   Neither give place to the devil. 
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"And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you." Ephesians 4:32 (KJB)
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