Another end time apostate church? Overcome by the song of Moses

[Lisa]

I was sent this scripture verse and comment by a guy who is a Messianic leader...

Zech 12:2-3   "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.   "And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.  (NKJ)

This warning also applies to the Church.  The thing that really astounds me is that as the battle over Jerusalem moves into high gear most pastors and Church leaders are as silent as they were while 6 million Jews were brutally murdered in the Holocaust.  Because of the lack of teaching, or even wrong teaching from the pulpits, most people who attend church or consider themselves Christians have the wrong impression or no impression at all about what should be the most important issue after the issue of salvation itself, for every Christian.  In God's eyes to be apathetic to something that is important to Him is the same as being against Him.  In most churches the children and young people get absolutely no teaching about Israel. According to Gen 12:3 to be anti Israel or even to be just not interested is hindering the coming of the Kingdom.And i guess its a reaction to some irritations i have about the way in which the movement has gone ie regarding the political influence, the way that they preach that Christians must support the state of Israel (im not against this BTW-i just think its a narrow road between blindly agreeing with everything that political Israel gets up to compared to scripture).
 This was how i replied in the light of revelation...

(Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months)...

Rev 11 8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 14:8
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev 11 13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 16 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Zech 144And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Rev 16 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found
 

And so we pray...9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

 11Give us this day our daily bread.

 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen

WHO ARE THOSE THAT HAVE VICTORY OVER THE BEAST?

 2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 3And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 4Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

Have been studying the book of rev-and a few things hit me
1. I had swallowed a load of guff RE the end time churches being representative of current church systems (Chuck Missler)-the whole book is mostly devoted to the end time apostacy-these churches were examples but there will be many many more/are many many more (we could write an additional chapter on current churches in a similar vein)
2. The Messianic church-could be one of these churches-is it just yet another 666 (a number signifying less than perfection-ie the apostate church which looks almost perfect)
The messianic church-mis-applying scripture and using the scripture to fulfil its political ends (the beast system) has been a concern to me for a while-
3, The beast-the world-the Babylonian system which has virtual complete parasitism into churches/ political systems (its irrelevant whether its the Catholic church or Islam or whatever)-its simply the corrupt world system.
4.The system has to be overcome-whether its corrupt church or corrupt politics-only those who completely get out of Babylon are overcomers-and there is only one way...Hang onto scripture (dont mis-use for political means or for grabbing power for self). WATCH...and pray.
Whatever occurs is the judgement of God upon those who cannot discern the beast (the world)...and get out of her.
 
Gal 6vs 14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
 
And so i see a new meaning of this scripture...
 
Zech 12
 3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it (KJV).

And then i noticed how the guy had been using a corrupt translation (NKJV) and how just that mis-application of verse 3 can have such a catestrophic effect...Beware!
 

[Psalm 51:17]

I believe the Matthew Henry commentary I have pretty much said the same thing about this Zech passage.

[Lisa]

Deut 31 vs 22Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.

 23And he gave Joshua the son of Nun a charge, and said, Be strong and of a good courage: for thou shalt bring the children of Israel into the land which I sware unto them: and I will be with thee.

 24And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

 25That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

 26Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

 27For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

 28Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

 29For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

 30And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

Deuteronomy 32
 1Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

 2My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 3Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

 4He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

 5They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

 6Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

 7Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

 8When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

 9For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

 10He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.

 11As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

 12So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

 13He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;

 14Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.

 15But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

 16They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

 17They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

 18Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

 19And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

 20And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

 21They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

 22For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

 23I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

 24They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

 25The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.

 26I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

 27Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.

 28For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.

 29O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

 30How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

 31For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

 32For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

 33Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

 34Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?

 35To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

 36For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

 37And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

 38Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.

 39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 40For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

 41If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

 42I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

 43Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

 44And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.

 45And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel: