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« on: September 02, 2011, 05:32:15 am »

Indiana Pastor: 'Saved' Should Be Removed From Church Vocabulary?

An Indiana megachurch pastor says he is annoyed at the word “saved,” especially when used among Christians to describe someone that has made a commitment to follow Jesus for the rest of their lives.

In one of his recent blog posts, Granger Community Church’s executive pastor, Tim Stevens, asked readers, “Does the Word 'Saved' Bother Anyone Else?”

Stevens told The Christian Post that he also has a problem with the phrase “born again.”

“I have similar hesitations with ‘born again’ probably because it’s also an insider term,” Stevens said. “'Born again' for the world at large is somewhat of a misunderstood term.”

Stevens, also author of Pop Goes the Church: Should the Church Engage Pop Culture?, says that he often writes blog posts about what has been on his mind for a while and in some cases, it helps him seek answers from others.

“I’ve recently noticed that I’m becoming more annoyed by the word ‘saved’ than ever before. Not in the ‘I saved money’ use of the word, but in the Christian-ese context: ‘Is Johnny saved?’ or ‘It’s only a matter of time until Martha gets saved,’" Stevens posted in his blog, LeadingSmart.com.

Christian cliché doesn’t sit well with him, Stevens told CP. He said it is important for Christians to not only live their faith, but talk about their faith in any setting, keeping in mind that some words don’t make sense to non-Christians.

“I think that so often when we use those terms in-house, we’re talking among Christians, we forget where we are at and we forget who we are with,” he said. “We use those words to translate outside (the Christian community) when they don’t mean anything to anyone or they ostracize or set us apart when we really want to be making connections.”

Stevens writes that he realizes “saved” “is a foundational word in the Christian faith, taken largely from Romans 10:13: 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'"

He said “saved” can also imply “a once-and-for-all, passive event that happens to someone. Like they did nothing at all. And once they get it, they are good forever. I realize both of those things are true at their core. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe. But it requires me to accept the gift and give my life to Him.”

When a Christian accepts Jesus into their life they are on a new life course and journey, he said.

“I think the word ‘saved’ doesn’t fully embrace that. It kind of points at the point of transaction and not the changed life. I don’t think it is the whole truth. It’s a discipleship process. Yes, maybe in a moment as I start on that journey.”

The Indiana pastor said he is also concerned about alienating people that are seeking to know God, but encounter a language they do not understand in a church setting.

“A lot of times churches can be a very uncomfortable space for someone who is searching. They feel this need for God, so they show up at church on a Sunday morning and then they just don’t get it because it’s not the world they live in. The language doesn’t make sense, the communication style is weird, the music is strange ... I think language is a big piece of that,” he observed.

The terminology that Christians use is vitally important, Stevens stressed.

“I think how we term things is huge,” he said. “Every industry, every group of people, they all have inside words which is fine. But I think that in the church world, as our purpose built into our mission is reaching the world, then we really have to think about those inside words that we use that either have no meaning or the wrong meaning.”

Stevens likes to substitute the word “saved” and describe committed Christians with phrases like “Christ follower,” “following Jesus,” and “someone that started on the journey of following Jesus.”

“Yes, there was a point when it began. When they prayed a prayer, they gave their life to Jesus. However, it’s a choice to follow Jesus the rest of their days. It’s a journey until the day we die to be more and more like Christ.”

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2011, 05:47:37 am »

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The Indiana pastor said he is also concerned about alienating people that are seeking to know God

kind of gives away his whole agenda right there.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2011, 09:39:02 am »

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"...keeping in mind that some words don’t make sense to non-Christians.'

There is a reason they don't understand.  Only God can lead one to understanding.  We could change the words til the cows come home but only He knows who is willing from before time began and so He will make the way for them...the rest: see second scripture.

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Isaiah 55:11

 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


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Matthew 13:10-17

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

 15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
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