The Gog and Magog War, The 1000 Year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ,...

[Mark]

The Gog and Magog War, The 1000 Year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ,  The Abomination of Desolation, The Rebuilt Temple, The Image of the Beast, The 7 Year Tribulation Bible Study

September 18th, 2011 by Dr. Scott Johnson

http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=3516

pdf: http://www.contendingfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/Gog-and-Magog-War-The-Millennium-Abomination-of-Des.-Rebuilt-Temple-Image-of-the-Beast-7-Year-Trib.pdf

[Psalm 51:17]

Every time I read the Rev 20 Gog/Magog passage, I pretty much felt deep down that this is an event that happens at the end of the 1000 year mil.(although I would still stand by an event that happens before the trib)

I thought Scott did a very good job breaking it down - personally, I'm finding it rather fruitless over trying to find breaking news daily over any kind of alliances that are being formed for this supposedly imminent war. All it's done(from my experiences) is fuel more fruitless debates, and go down rabbit trails that just have no end(ie-one minute your hopes are way up when things look very imminent, then the next minute when nothing pans out you feel like you almost lost your faith).

No, I'm not saying those like prophecy teachers et al who say Gog/Magog is a pre-trib event are liars, but nonetheless, I think I see why the debates and discussions have gone very fruitless. Remember 3 years ago when South Othiasia(sp) got attacked, and the MSM acted like it was Russia that attacked it? All of a sudden, the Hal Lindseys and all the end times prophecy message forums were doing backflips b/c we all thought the Gog/Magog war was very near. As it turned out, this attack had nothing to do with anything other than the Illuminati wanting to secure oil interests in that area. Then a month later, noone was talking about it anymore, and one mainstream end times forum I posted on started to have some spiritual warfare.

[seekingtheanswers]

i'm still learning and am not familiar with gog magog. i thought dr. scott did a good job in arguing the fact that technology would basically be done away with in the millenium hence the use of horses, chariots and swords. that makes sense to me.

[Mark]

i'm still learning and am not familiar with gog magog. i thought dr. scott did a good job in arguing the fact that technology would basically be done away with in the millenium hence the use of horses, chariots and swords. that makes sense to me.

i was always of the belief that this was pre trib, but after talking to a friend, he believed this was after the 1000 year reign. I also think Scott made a good case for this with the technology aspect. Never once have i thought of it like that.

I still believe there will be an attack of islamic nations against Israel ushering in the end times. I have been looking at Psalm 83 which is a much smaller regional attack. 

[Psalm 51:17]

OK, here's my question, ASSUMING it happens AFTER the 1000 year mil reign(sorry about the lateness, just got back from out of town since yesterday)...

Once the 1000 year mil reign starts(and both of the beast and false prophet, both of whom deceived the world into taking the mark of the beast, are both in the lake of fire), all of the believers are in Hell, right?(NOT in the lake of fire YET)

So if those that are written in the book of life ONLY are in the 1000 year mil reign, then here's what I don't understand about the Gog/Magog war being at the end...WHO will be the flock(which will be in numbers as the sand particles) that Satan deceives to go after the believers? Will it be the case that before the unbelievers are thrown in the lake of fire, they will be the ones along with Satan who will go after the believers in Jeruselum, before they face the Great White Throne of Judgement?

Like I said, deep down inside I felt something was wrong when I believed for a long time that Gog/Magog would usher in the tribulation, however, the aspect of WHO will be the flock(numbered as the sand) that is lead by Satan to go after the believers?

[Christian40]

Like I said, deep down inside I felt something was wrong when I believed for a long time that Gog/Magog would usher in the tribulation, however, the aspect of WHO will be the flock(numbered as the sand) that is lead by Satan to go after the believers? Huh

I was thinking the same thing! I just listened to the latest teaching by Dr Johnson. Who are these evil people that oppose Israel after the Lord Jesus has ruled for 1000 years?? Are they alien human hybrids/giants/unsaved people resurrected?? How on earth can there be evil people on the earth with the Lord Jesus and His brethren reigning over the whole earth from New Jerusalem?

I still believe there will be an attack of islamic nations against Israel ushering in the end times. I have been looking at Psalm 83 which is a much smaller regional attack.

Yeah i think that Israel will be attacked again. The King of the North vs The King of the South War which is the EU and NATO attacking the Muslim countries that are fighting Israel and the EU/NATO win which allows them to have an empire like the Old Roman Empire that included North Africa and land as far as Iraq. (Including alot of oil) Heck NATO were the ones bombing Libya so that is like a microcosm of what could well happen soon.

[Mark]

Yeah i think that Israel will be attacked again. The King of the North vs The King of the South War which is the EU and NATO attacking the Muslim countries that are fighting Israel and the EU/NATO win which allows them to have an empire like the Old Roman Empire that included North Africa and land as far as Iraq. (Including alot of oil) Heck NATO were the ones bombing Libya so that is like a microcosm of what could well happen soon.

yep, already happening....

[William]

i was always of the belief that this was pre trib, but after talking to a friend, he believed this was after the 1000 year reign. I also think Scott made a good case for this with the technology aspect. Never once have i thought of it like that.

I still believe there will be an attack of islamic nations against Israel ushering in the end times. I have been looking at Psalm 83 which is a much smaller regional attack. 

If that's the case than you should also look at this scripture, and reconcile it as well.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Revelation 19:17-20 AKJV 1611)

Now if you notice highlighted areas you will see they "sit" upon "Horses" it doesn't say something "Great metal beasts" or any references to like tanks, and such. Therefore Technology is already back at least 150 years, before they even gather at the battle of Armageddon. Therefore that means either "during" or before the Antichrists reign the Technology will have gone back. Maybe I need this verse explained as well...

[Psalm 51:17]

Also keep in mind that as the 7 year tribulation gets closer to the end, as more wrath gets poured out from God(and getting at its worst to boot)...IMHO, maybe they won't have access to any kind of technology at the Battle of Armageddon.

Ultimately, as each vial of wrath(described in Rev 16) gets poured out, more and more things are going to get burned up, lost, etc. I believe it's at the 6th vial of wrath when the Battle of Armageddon happens, the prior 5...pretty much all hell REALLY breaks loose.

So maybe by then only horses are left?

But with that being said, every time I read Eze 38-39, it just didn't seem like a pre-trib event. Other mainstream message forums I would cross paths with would beat it to death that it is, but it would sound like they were just grasping for straws(and would in the process lose focus in watching other prophecies unfolding).

[Mark]

Now if you notice highlighted areas you will see they "sit" upon "Horses" it doesn't say something "Great metal beasts" or any references to like tanks, and such. Therefore Technology is already back at least 150 years, before they even gather at the battle of Armageddon. Therefore that means either "during" or before the Antichrists reign the Technology will have gone back. Maybe I need this verse explained as well...

They still use horses in most middle eastern military's. And really, just how much technology is going to be left at the end of the Trib? There is going to be massive global destruction, would not surprise me if very little technology makes it through to the end. When the Lord turns all the Oceans to blood, there goes all the navies of the world. All the emp's from nuclear detonations, there goes pretty much all tech in the world. Just think about it, 1 nuke at high altitude detonation would cripple America for generations. Emp's are nasty.

So ya it would not surprise me if the Battle of Armageddon was fought on horse back. 

[Christian40]

They still use horses in most middle eastern military's. And really, just how much technology is going to be left at the end of the Trib?

So ya it would not surprise me if the Battle of Armageddon was fought on horse back.

I have to think what exactly is the Battle of Armageddon, who is involved and why. The Lord Jesus Christ is going to win so easily it can hardly be called a Battle. Just like in the Old Testament the enemies of the Israelites died in there tens of thousands without Israel losing one soldier because the Lord fought the Battle against the enemies well the Lord knows how to win a Battle easily. Evil beings on horses? The enemy will look kind of ridiculous.

[Christian40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhJFACfmdM&list=UU9qvVv7aIzfoFrZwn88eTPw&index=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e-k3OhrO9c&list=UU9qvVv7aIzfoFrZwn88eTPw&index=2