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Kilika
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« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2013, 04:34:32 pm »

Before we get any further, let me say again, that this topic is not something I have studied to the extent of what "preterism" even is. Without looking up a definition, I don't know what "a-mill" is. That's churchainity terms that I never have been interested in learning. All I know is if what they say matches what I know scripture to say. I, we, don't really need to know the details of their blindness. Just the basics I think will do, but that's only my exhortation to keep things simple and focused so we don't get lost in the babble of churchianity-speak.

If you'll bear with me, understand that I think we are saying more or less the same. The difference is I think in each person's understanding of when a given verse takes place in time. So the first point starts with what verses define this first event referred to as "The Rapture"? What other verses are talking about this specific event?

Also a difference may be understanding of what the rapture itself is suppose to be.

I understand it to be the "taking up" of all believers at that point in time, dead and alive, before the seven year tribulation, leaving behind people that are lost, but do have during the tribulation the chance to repent and be saved, up and including the "Mark" period. These people go through all the tribulation period, and are under a "works" type salvation. Some of them will die during that seven years period, who will then "sleep" till the final coming, and at that time be raised up with those dead alive and meet Jesus and the rest of the saints and previously risen brethren "in the air", and seemingly immediately, "in the twinkling of an eye", are seen by the unbelieving world as returning with Jesus Christ.

So, you bring up great points BA I would like to address more, but let's focus on what Mark said first. I think that's where we are closest. I agree with you Mark, that there is more than one event. I guess what I dispute is the way it is being presented by churchianity; that "all believers have no worries, we'll all be yanked out before the evil shows up, and that's it. The evil people go through tribulation, it's all put down by Jesus in the end. End of story".

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Quote from: Kilika on Today at 03:52:47 am
I pose this question...

If there is a "rapture" that takes believers out of the world before the tribulation period, then why did Jesus pray to the Father that He wouldn't take them out of the world, but rather keep them from the evil?

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Looks like he is going to save us.... We are also in Heaven with him when he returns, how did we get there

Now see, verse 10 is what I'm talking about, that's the "tribulation" I'm talking about that the church will be here for that the "rapture doctrine" seems to dispute, saying we will be taken out before such things even happen.

No question Jesus saves us from evil every day.

That "hour of temptation" is when on the timeline? Is that the "...deliver us from evil..." that we pray for?
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