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« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2013, 09:51:08 pm »

I have a few things to say/ask/quote. But first, let me preface by saying that I'm ultimately "pan-trib", but I'm 90% sure it's post-trib. Not because we have to "suffer" or anything like that, but merely by reading the Bible for what it is (the Bible means what it says and says what it means) and not reading things into scripture that aren't there, I have ALWAYS come to the conclusion of a post-trib rapture.

1. Who is the "elect" referred to in Matthew 24, Mark 13, etc?
It is the believers in Jesus Christ. Whether they be Jew or Gentile. There are 13 occurrences of the word "elect" in the New Testament. 1 is in reference to Jesus. 1 is in reference to angels. That makes 11 occurrences in the NT apart from the one about Christ and one about angels. 4 occur in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 (for example, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.") For the sake of argument, we'll leave those out for now. Who is being referred to in the other 7 occurrences?

Luke 18:7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 John 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.

These are believers. Jew AND Gentile.

2. If the "he who now letteth will let" is the Holy Spirit working through the body of Christ, he must be removed from the earth (and the body of Christ with him) for the Antichrist to be revealed. If that is the case, HOW DOES ANYONE ELSE GET SAVED AFTER THAT? If the Holy Spirit is not there, you will not get saved. That includes the one-third of the Jews that the Bible clearly states will be saved during the Tribulation. They would not be able to get saved. The Bible merely states "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." One example of many where something needs to be read into the verse for a pre-trib to make sense Biblically.

3. None of you use the "We are not appointed unto wrath..." verse to justify pre-trib rapture theory, do you? It's one thing to Biblically back it with scripture, it's another thing to take one verse out of context like my church does with that one to justify it...

(Revelation 6:17) "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
(Luke 21:36) " Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
(Ephesians 6:13) "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Why would we need to pray that we be taken up in the pre-trib rapture? Merely by being saved you would be. And what is this evil day?

There's more, but I need to get to bed soon.

God bless  Smiley
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