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« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2013, 08:53:12 pm »

Another thing that I think seals the deal of a post-trib rapture is what Jesus says in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21:

Matthew 24:16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not,  (let him that readeth understand,)  then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:21  Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Keep in mind that Jesus is talking to His apostles here on how we will know the end is near. Jesus specifically mentions those in Judaea (the Jews, or Israel) as if they are only one part of a larger group. If the one-third of Israel were the only saved people on earth between the beginning of the tribulation and the end, Jesus wouldn't have been so specific with His words, and He wouldn't have singled them out of the larger group He was talking to/about (because they would BE the larger group).

I also think that most pre-trib adherents take 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 5:9 completely out of context. Those verses read:

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

These verses, they say, prove that we must be taken before the tribulation starts because the seal, vial and trumpet judgments are God's wrath. As born again, Bible believing Christians, we are NOT appointed to wrath. But wrath, in these verses, is not the same wrath in those verses. Read these verses:

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

This again mentions "the wrath to come", just like in 1 Thessalonians 1:10.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Notice here the wording that is used: "thy wrath is come". That "wrath to come" now "is come". And the explanation of what that wrath is paints pretty clearly that it is judgment and damnation.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Is John referring to the tribulation here? Well, let's ask ourselves this: In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and John 3:36, what is the opposite of salvation/everlasting life? Is it great tribulation? Or is it damnation/everlasting torment? I think it's obvious now what wrath we aren't appointed to. Remember also:

Matthew 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

That doesn't mean that God will not shield us and make a way to escape. Remember, Jesus told us to pray that we are accounted worthy to ESCAPE these things and to stand before the Son of man.

Add that in with my other reasonings that I've posted (which, surprisingly, nobody has tried to disprove yet), and I think it pretty decisively points to a post-tribulation rapture/resurrection and subsequent being with Christ as His army at Armageddon. Now like I said, I'm not the purveyor of all knowledge. I don't know EXACTLY how it all plays out. But just by reading it for what it says, that's what I keep getting. Again though, I think in the end it'll happen the way it'll happen, regardless. I just want my brethren to be prepared.
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