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Kilika
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« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2013, 05:13:03 am »

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The Holy Spirit HAS to be present for a person to be saved. No matter when they get saved. You aren't saved without Him. No one is EVER saved by "works". Not back in Old Testament days, not now, and not ever.

And that is your problem with understanding the situation. No, I disagree, the Spirit was not available to men as it is since Jesus ascended. Things were by works then, as the Spirit was not available to men as it is now. Yes, they had faith, but the faith they had was in "keeping the commandments", which was done by their Judaic worship, which is a work of the law.

I understand your misunderstanding, as the situation does involve faith of the person under the works of the law. They have faith in the law itself, not the Spirit to save them because they weren't given the Spirit to save them. They were under the law, not grace.

As Abraham "believed God" and it was counted to him for righteousness, it was indeed faith by Abraham, but he still acted on faith in his works of believing God, as salvation by grace via the Spirit did not come till AFTER Jesus ascended.

39  And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40  God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 11:39,40 (KJB)


And why did they not "receive the promise"? They did not have the Holy Ghost in them. They lived under the works of the law by faith in the commandments of God.

It's a subtle difference, but it is different. Till Jesus ascended, we did not have the Holy Ghost. While the Spirit was around from the beginning, it was not given to men yet as part of salvation.

16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:16,17 (KJB)


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