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« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2013, 05:43:32 am »

The Catholic Church doesn't teach post-trib rapture. They don't even really believe in a rapture. In the 15 years that I was a Catholic, I never heard once about any kind of rapture, or the tribulation for that matter. I vividly remember watching EWTN and the priest/monk guy emphatically stating to a caller that there was no such thing as a rapture. So how can they believe in a post-trib rapture if they don't even believe in a rapture at all? And in the year or so that I was a New Ager, I never heard about any of that, either. Not saying they don't teach it, but I never heard it, and I used to pray to Sanat Kumara and contemplate the image of Maitreya's hand (which is why I'm so intent on exposing New Age for the Luciferic one-world cult that it is and Maitreya as, imo, the most likely candidate for Antichrist. But that's a topic for a different time).

There is a reason they do not teach it. Just like there is a reason they pray to a false gods and worship statues and men.

Catholics teach Post-Tribulation Rapture
http://endtimesandcurrentevents.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,1094.0.html

sorry but you cant learn about the whole new-age in a year. It takes years of study and reading to get it down. Kind of like studying the Bible, it takes years. If you want to know more about the new-age explanation of the rapture read here.

The New Earth, book 2 Chapter 4,5,6 and 7 if i remember right... pray before reading as these are channeled messages.
Book II: THE EARTH CHANGES,
    Chapter 4: Cleansing Planet Earth
    Chapter 5: The Higher Plan
    Chapter 6: Time for Choice
    Chapter 7: The Flying Saucers
http://www.thenewearth.org/

Scary stuff there.

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And in regards to the thrones in Revelation 20:4...

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The key to this verse, I think, is that the group on the thrones is called "they", but nothing else. It isn't until one sentence later that John explains who this group is. John saw thrones, and an unnamed group sat and judged. Then John saw their souls, who were beheaded/killed because of their faith. And this group of people lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The key to the verses is the comas and colon and; and. He sees thrones and the people on them are sitting in judgment. AND, meaning in addition too, he sees all these Tribulation Saints. So he sees 2 separate groups of people. The AND makes this distinction very well.

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I'll admit, I may be wrong here, but it doesn't seem right to just not identify the group on the thrones in the entire chapter. I can't think of a single time in the Bible when something prophetic isn't identified in some way in the chapter its in. Babylon is that great city. The beast has the number of his name, and the 7 heads and ten horns. The false prophet has two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. Etc etc etc. Here, it literally just says "they" sat on the thrones and judgement was given to them.

That is a good question, just who are these people? See if you have the Pre Trib view it all fits, as we are to sit in Judgment. If you have a post trib view there is confusion and stuff just doesn't fit and it has to be worked around. I would think that, that alone would make you question.

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Luke 23:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Why would we need to pray that we are worthy to go up in the pre-trib rapture? We would simply because we are saved. And why would we need to be able to withstand in the evil day if we won't even BE HERE in the evil day? The evil day being the day of the Lord. It doesn't make sense.

well for starters your mixing a lot of stuff up together that doesn't go together. Mike Hoggard does that, a lot. Jesus in Luke 23 is telling you to pray to escape, you have to pray to be saved, once saved you will escape and stand before the Son of Man.

Rev 6:17 is a general question, The Great Day of Wrath has finally come, who can stand before it? That is a question for the whole world, not the individual Christian. This time that has now began the Lord has been talking about for thousands of years, here it is, who can stand against God in his wrath? He is going to level the planet, kill all the trees and grass, turn all the water into blood, break up all the lands move every island. Ya WHO can stand against that?

The Evil day in Eph is about the normal every day stuff we face. We are to put on the whole armor of God EVERYDAY. And the evil day is not the Day of the Lord. Where did you come by that? Gods Wrath is a JUDGMENT it isnt evil. It is Holy Holy Holy. You really need to think on that one.

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If I'm indeed wrong, I want to be proven wrong. Not just told that I'm wrong. "... lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:6)

you will at the Rapture. but no worries that is why 1Th 4:18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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And yet again, you STILL haven't addressed any of the verses I quoted previously. Explain Matthew 13 and its relation to Revelation 14. Or 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and 2:8 being in reference to the same exact event: Jesus Christ's "coming". While we're at it, why not explain Revelation 14:1 and its relation to Zechariah 14:4-5.

my times limited at times, list them individually and i will strive to answer them, doing big bunches of stuff like this gets to confusing. It is way easier to do 1 or 2 things at a time.

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I really hate talking about this topic, because all it does is divide saved people. And unfortunately, it's almost always the pre-trib proponents that get unnecessarily offended when someone brings up post-trib

only 1 can be right, not 2 or 3. And if its something that the Catholic church teaches against, well its almost 100% true then.  Cheesy

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as a possibility. It happens ALL THE TIME at my church (which is non-501c3 fundamental Baptist). My pastors (we've got like 10 of them ) are almost ready to kick me out because I bring up these verses to them. What time the rapture happens is not a salvation issue, it never was and never will be.

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