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« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2013, 08:48:05 pm »

There is a reason they do not teach it. Just like there is a reason they pray to a false gods and worship statues and men.

Catholics teach Post-Tribulation Rapture

If they do believe it, then they don't teach it. They hide it in a closet somewhere, because I had NEVER heard of a rapture until I got saved.

You yourself admitted that they BANNED the rapture (any rapture) in 400 AD.


They are amillennial, wheareas we are premillennial.

Also: Even if they did teach post-tribulation rapture, them teaching it doesn't necessarily make it wrong scripturally.

Catholics believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. Since they teach it, it must be wrong!

Catholics believe that Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine. Since they teach it, it must be wrong!

Catholics believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. Since they teach it, it must be wrong!

Now yes, Catholicism is wicked and evil and nobody will ever be saved by that abomination of a religion (or any religion for that matter, Jesus saves us). But there is almost ALWAYS truth mixed in with lies. Another example is the Jehovah's Witnesses. They have everything wrong except the holidays being pagan and Jesus didn't have long hair.

sorry but you cant learn about the whole new-age in a year. It takes years of study and reading to get it down. Kind of like studying the Bible, it takes years. If you want to know more about the new-age explanation of the rapture read here.

The New Earth, book 2 Chapter 4,5,6 and 7 if i remember right... pray before reading as these are channeled messages.
    Chapter 4: Cleansing Planet Earth
    Chapter 5: The Higher Plan
    Chapter 6: Time for Choice
    Chapter 7: The Flying Saucers

Scary stuff there.

Never said I did, Mark. If you read my post, I said "Not saying they don't teach it, but I never heard it..."

I realize I wasn't in it for that long, and I never said they didn't teach it. But in the time that I was, I never heard a peep about it.

The key to the verses is the comas and colon and; and. He sees thrones and the people on them are sitting in judgment. AND, meaning in addition too, he sees all these Tribulation Saints. So he sees 2 separate groups of people. The AND makes this distinction very well.

That is a good question, just who are these people? See if you have the Pre Trib view it all fits, as we are to sit in Judgment. If you have a post trib view there is confusion and stuff just doesn't fit and it has to be worked around. I would think that, that alone would make you question.

You quoted this verse to back up your point.

Dan 7:22  Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

However, this would contradict Revelation 20:4. In Revelation 20, only those on the thrones judged. "The souls of them" did not judge. If those on the thrones and "the souls of them" are two different groups, then not all the saints were given judgment. The "tribulation saints" as you put it are just as much saints as we are, no? So naturally, they should have a throne and judge, too. But if we go by your interpretation of this passage, then they don't get to judge, and this passage would be false.

well for starters your mixing a lot of stuff up together that doesn't go together. Mike Hoggard does that, a lot. Jesus in Luke 23 is telling you to pray to escape, you have to pray to be saved, once saved you will escape and stand before the Son of Man.

Rev 6:17 is a general question, The Great Day of Wrath has finally come, who can stand before it? That is a question for the whole world, not the individual Christian. This time that has now began the Lord has been talking about for thousands of years, here it is, who can stand against God in his wrath? He is going to level the planet, kill all the trees and grass, turn all the water into blood, break up all the lands move every island. Ya WHO can stand against that?

Or it could just as easily mean escape the wars/plagues/executions/etc that will kill a lot of people and survive to see the beginning of the second coming of our Lord.

The Evil day in Eph is about the normal every day stuff we face. We are to put on the whole armor of God EVERYDAY. And the evil day is not the Day of the Lord. Where did you come by that? Gods Wrath is a JUDGMENT it isnt evil. It is Holy Holy Holy. You really need to think on that one.

I made mention to this before:

"Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light." (Amos 5:20)

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." (Proverbs 16:4)

"Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near;" (Amos 6:3)

"The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly." (Zephaniah 1:14)

It says it throughout scripture. The day of the Lord = the day of evil, or the evil day. Other names for it include day of destruction, day of Christ, second coming of Christ, etc.

you will at the Rapture. but no worries that is why 1Th 4:18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Just saying. I very well might be wrong, but don't boast. But anyway, you just continually saying "You're confused" or "You're wrong" doesn't help me or you. It'd be like screaming "You're wrong!" to a Jehovah's Witness and not explaining how or why they are wrong. They won't listen to you.

only 1 can be right, not 2 or 3. And if its something that the Catholic church teaches against, well its almost 100% true then.  Cheesy

To be fair, the Catholic church teaches (usually) against abortion and sodomy. Does that mean those are almost 100% ok then?

How can a body function with 10 heads?

That's a great question.

And btw, BornAgain2, I'm not historicist (to my knowledge), and I don't think any of you are, either. I just place the rapture at a different time than you guys.

John Darby was a British East India Company guy, and the BEIC has historically been a tool of the Illuminati. So even if you are pre-trib, I wouldn't go to him for your doctrine.

I'm pretty much done talking about this topic (I'm not huge on debating it nowadays), because we're pretty much getting nowhere with it. If you want to check out the scriptures I posted earlier, feel free.
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