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« Reply #180 on: May 16, 2015, 11:32:45 am »

The sad part about all this is that the Grahams WILL be left behind - I wonder what "excuse" they will give after the rapture happens?
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April 10—Speakers: Pastor Noah Hutchings

Will the Church Go Through the Tribulation


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April 10—Speakers: Pastor Noah Hutchings

Will the Church Go Through the Tribulation


https://www.swrc.com/broadcasts-april-2015.html

James Knox said this in a recent sermon(about the idea of the church going through the tribulation) - "It is STUPID!".

I couldn't agree more.
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http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/May21/213.html
5/21/15
Daniel's “Covenant With Many” – Waiting To Be Implemented?

The Saudi peace initiative first saw light some 13 years ago, and apparently there are still many key figures in the Arab world who would like to see it revived.

"Now that Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu has formed his new government, I call on him to say yes to the Saudi peace initiative. It's alive and well and didn't disappear with the regime change in Saudi Arabia," says Dr. Anwar Eshki, the director of the Jeddah-based Middle East Institute for Strategic Studies.

"King Salman and his senior advisers support it. It's time for Israel to accept it too. There is no alternative peace plan."

A former military general who has also filled various key roles in the Riyadh administration in the past, Eshki, 72, is believed to have very close ties with the Saudi royal family; and he had no qualms about giving an interview to an Israeli newspaper, noting: "The issue is an important one, and we need to convey the message to Netanyahu, the cabinet ministers and the Israeli public that there is a peace plan awaiting their approval."

Eshki gave an exclusive interview to Ynet's sister publication, Yedioth Ahronoth, in Qatar, where he was attending the Doha Forum's economic conference over the weekend.

"If Israel accepts the peace plan and makes a commitment to implement it, 22 Arab states and another 20 Muslim counties will commit to normalizing relations with you," Eshki says. "You need to internalize the fact that we want coexistence between the Arab states and Israel."

And Eshki also had a message for the skeptics who lack faith in his vision: "Saudi Arabia always fulfills the commitments it takes on," he says. "And you will see, when the time comes for normalization, we and another 22 Arab states will establish diplomatic relations with Israel, including commercial cooperation and cultural ties."

According to the Saudi initiative, the brainchild in 2002 of then-crown prince Abdullah, the Israeli-Arab conflict will come to an end in return for an Israeli undertaking to withdraw to the pre-Six-Day War 1967 borders.

Despite being adopted unanimously at the Arab League Summit in Beirut in 2002, the plan, now known as the Arab Peace Initiative, has yet to elicit an official Israeli response. The reason: It includes the division of Jerusalem and the right of return for Palestinian refugees, both of which spark opposition among government officials in Jerusalem.

But now, with a new government in Israel and the crowning of King Salman in January, there are those who believe that it's time to revive the initiative.

"People say that Netanyahu has put together a government of extremists," Eshki says. "That doesn't bother me. On the contrary, perhaps it's best for achieving peace – because if Netanyahu and his ministers accept the plan, there'll be no one to stand in their way."

If Netanyahu does decide to adopt the initiative, Eshki adds, he must do so officially – in an address at the UN or in Jerusalem, for example.

Eshki is well aware of the Israeli reservations. "The peace plan provides for the evacuation of the settlements and their resettling by Palestinians; but there could be land exchanges, in keeping with security requirements and mutual understandings," he says. "And the Palestinians who choose not to return will get financial compensation."

Eshki believes that if Israel were to give a thumbs-up to the initiative in principle, talks over "the problematic issues" would then go ahead under the patronage of Saudi Arabia, the US, Egypt and Jordan.

"The sides, including Israel, will determine where the negotiations will be conducted," he says, adding that the initiative constitutes the "most suitable" political solution because it is based on UN resolutions.
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http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=33411
SCOWLING, DEFIANT GREEK MYSTERY MAN ALEXIS TSIPRAS STARES DOWN HIS OPPONENTS
Geoffrey Grider | June 3, 2015 | 15 Comments

FACED WITH ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL MEETINGS OF HIS YOUNG TENURE AS PRIME MINISTER, GREECE’S ALEXIS TSIPRAS ON WEDNESDAY RESORTED TO THE SAME TRAIT THAT BROUGHT HIS HARD-LEFT GOVERNMENT TO POWER: DEFIANCE.

“And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.” Daniel 11:2 (KJV)

Alexis Tsipras watchers continue to be fascinated with the rising star of Greek politics as he faces the biggest hurdle of his young administration. Greece, awash in debt and out of time, is facing not only bankruptcy but removal from the EU. Is Alexis Tsipras worried? Not at all. In fact, he’s angry.

As he prepared to leave Athens for a meeting with Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, Mr Tsipras brushed aside a new — and possibly final — bailout offer hammered out by his country’s creditors after an emergency meeting of the EU’s most powerful leaders on Monday night.

Instead, he promised to force his adversaries to “accede to reality”, saying: “I am going to discuss the proposal of the Greek government. I am confident that the political leadership of Europe will do what needs to be done.” source

Tsipras, whom you’ll remember, has some powerful friends for someone so new to politics. From meeting with Pope Francis to discuss a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, counting New World Order financier George Soros as a business partner, to closed door meetings with high-level Russian officials discussing the capabilities of a strategic cooperation, intrigue is it an all time high.

Add to all this he refused to take his oath of office on the Bible, is an avowed atheist, and talks about “ushering in global peace”, love, harmony and social justice. and it’s enough to make you wonder who he really is. What is his real agenda, and why are Bible prophecy watchers so interested in everything he says and does?

Stay tuned…
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http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=33445
ISIS IS A PREVIEW OF THE WORLD DURING THE TIME OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION (VIDEO)
Geoffrey Grider | June 8, 2015 | 22 Comments

WE ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE GLASS OF THE WINDOW OF PROPHECY AND LITERALLY WATCHING THE FORCES OF THE TRIBULATION RISING TO LIFE.

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4 (KJV)

We live in the most technologically-advanced civilization in world history. There is an app for everything, social media is how we connect, and computers and the human body are in the processing of merging. Because of these advances, many have said and are saying that Bible prophecy cannot be true because in the book of Revelation it shows a decidedly low-tech view of the world.

Armies riding on horseback, swords are the main weapons, and people being beheaded is how Revelation says it’s going to happen. That would be a giant leap backward, right? Maybe not. Perhaps we are already heading in that direction right now.

The rise of ISIS is not only a regional issue but it is a global issue fraught with spiritual and prophetical implications as well. Seemingly overnight, ISIS, a barbaric killing force of biblical proportions has been raised up and is terrorizing the Middle East with no foreseeable end in sight. Even months of United States led air strikes has done nothing to slow their ascent. But if you have ever read the Old Testament, then you know exactly who ISIS is and where they came from. The world is in a transition period right now., and God is raising up the forces of the end times.

At this very moment, we are in the closing hours of what the Bible calls the Age of Grace, otherwise known as the Church Age. This period of time will end in an event known as the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church. The Rapture is not the Second Coming, those two events are separated by the Great Tribulation which Jeremiah calls the “time of Jacob’s trouble”. But we are so close to that time that we are experiencing an overlap in dispensations. We are looking through the glass of the window of prophecy and literally watching the forces of the Tribulation rising to life.

I believe that ISIS will form the nucleus of the army of the Antichrist, and I also believe that there will be a merger between Islam and the Vatican. The Antichrist has a partner known as the False Prophet, a religious figure that creates the One World Religion and directs worship to the Antichrist. Pope Francis, for reasons stated here, is an excellent candidate for the role of the False Prophet.
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Revelation 14:6  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7  Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


I have a question - during this ToJT period, why do they call it the everlasting gospel? I don't understand, b/c during this time period, it's not being saved by faith alone, but noone during this period can take the mark of the beast in addition.
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Revelation 14:6  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7  Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


I have a question - during this ToJT period, why do they call it the everlasting gospel? I don't understand, b/c during this time period, it's not being saved by faith alone, but no one during this period can take the mark of the beast in addition.

The first verse i thought of was this: Psalm 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. The word "everlasting" occurs 91 times in the KJB. It is the angel that has "the everlasting gospel" not a man, the angel preaches to people so why not call it the "everlasting gospel" ?
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-19/bank-holiday-preparations-begin-greece-lines-form-athens-atms
6/19/15
"Bank Holiday" Preparations Begin In Greece, Lines Form At Athens ATMs

The writing has been on the wall for quite sometime.

Deposit flight from Greece's ailing banking sector has been running north of €500 million per day this week as the threat of capital controls casts a pall over the Greek government's efforts to reassure the public and head off a terminal bank run.

Sparking a panic has been the most powerful tool at the troika's disposal to bring PM Alexis Tsipras to the negotiating table and force Syriza to either concede to pension cuts and a VAT hike or risk social and political upheaval in the face of dark ATMs and public protests - we said this first in February and finally even the Greek government realized just what game Europe is playing.

Until now, Greeks had taken the barrage of headlines in stride with a stoic fortitude that would impress Marcus Aurelius but now, it appears as though the 'institutions' might have finally broken their spirits.

Earlier today, the ECB agreed to lift the ELA cap by just €1.8 billion, far less than Greek banking officials had requested and probably just barely enough to cover Friday's withdrawals. And so, as Europe's "Lehman Weekend" may finally be kicking off, the ATM lines are officially forming as Greeks prepare to be 'Cyprus'd' and as the country stares into "template" oblivion.

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The Bible Believer’s Guide To Understanding The Differences Between The Rapture And The Second Coming

The day of Christ, the Rapture is to be looked forward to, the Day of the Lord, the Second Coming, is to be greatly feared.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

There is an old adage that says “things that are different are not the same”. As Christians, we have a nasty tendency to read everything from Matthew to Revelation and try to apply it all to the Church. This will not work, because all the New Testament is not written to the Christian Church. The Church is only one part of it. Much of the New Testament is written to the Jews of that time, and to the Jews that will be living during the time of Jacob’s Trouble, otherwise known as the Great Tribulation. And some of it is written to the unbelieving Gentiles. This is why Paul commands Timothy to teach people how to “rightly divide” their Bibles to know which of the three groups God is speaking to at any given time.

So we see many Christian churches today, who do not rightly divide their Bibles, are teaching their people that there is no difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. They say that these are one and the same event. But we will show you conclusively in this article that, because of the manifold differences between the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, that it is impossible for them to be the same event.

#1: The Rapture is the ‘blessed hope’ while the Second Coming is a Day to be greatly feared.

We start with this one first because it is the one difference most overlooked in a study of the differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming. In Titus 2:13, talking about the Rapture, Paul calls it “the Blessed Hope”, a day of great comfort and joy. But in Amos 5:18, talking about the Day of the Lord, which is in fact the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, God tells us that it is a day of “great woe”, and greatly to be feared! Now, how can the Rapture and the Second Coming possibly be the same? Read Joel 3 for more on the ferocity and woefulness of the Second Coming. Paul calls the Rapture of the Church the “day of Christ”. The Second Coming is called the “day of the Lord”. The day of Christ is to be looked forward to, the Day of the Lord to be feared. If you are someone who believes the Bible, then I could stop this article right here as I have established my case well beyond the shadow of any doubt, reasonable or otherwise. But for  you who are ” fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken” then we have added another 9 rock-solid reasons why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ cannot be the same event.

    “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.” 2 Thessalonians 2:2 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.” Amos 5:18 (KJV) – The Second Coming
    “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.” Isaiah 13:9 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#2: In the Rapture, Jesus comes for his Church, at His Second Coming He brings the Church with Him.

Paul teaches over and over again that at the Rapture, the Church is taken up and out from off the face of the Earth. But at the Second Coming, Jesus returns with His saints. Another fatal difference when trying to reconcile the two events as one. The first it’s a “going up”, and in the second it’s a “coming down”.

    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.” Revelation 19:24 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#3: In the Rapture, the Church is taken to Heaven, at the Second Coming Jesus sets up earthly rule.

In both John and Paul’s writings, the promise of a “heavenly home” awaits for the born again Christian. We call this the Kingdom of God. But in the Second Coming, a thousand year kingdom is established on Earth, known as the Kingdom of Heaven. Christians are never promised an earthly home, but an heavenly one. The Jews and Tribulation saints were never promised that, they get instead a home on the Earth.

    “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” John 14:2,3 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#4: The Rapture happens before the Antichrist and the Tribulation, while the Second Coming happens after both.

Paul stresses repeatedly that one of the incredible benefits of being taken out in the Rapture is that you get to miss the entire wrath of the Great Tribulation. But Matthew tells us that the Second Coming is “after the Tribulation of those days”. Well, which is it? If the Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event, then these verses represent an irreconcilable difference. But there is not a conflict because, obviously, they are two separate and distinct events.

    “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Matthew 24:29,39 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#5: In the Rapture, only the born again Church sees the Lord come for them, at the Second Coming the whole world witnesses it.

Mockers of the doctrine of the Pretribulation Rapture like to call it a “secret” Rapture, like that is somehow an insult to people who believe it. The apostle Paul, who the Holy Spirit used to write that doctrine, also viewed it as a secret, he called it a “mystery”. In the Rapture, only the redeemed hear the Shout of the Lord and He calls us up to be with Him in the air. At the Second Coming, Jesus appears in JUDGMENT to the whole world.

    “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” Revelation 1:7 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#6: In the Rapture, no angels are sent to gather the Church. At the Second Coming, angels do all the gathering for judgment.

Paul says that it is Jesus Himself who comes to gather His Church up and out of here. We hear His Shout, and “in the twinkling of an eye” we are gone. No angels mentioned anywhere. Compare this with His Second Coming where only angels are sent to gather God’s elect, the Jewish remnant who made it through the Tribulation. Again, major difference.

    “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:30,31 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#7: The Judgment Seat of Christ follows the Rapture while the Judgment of Nations follows the Second Coming.

Immediately after the Rapture of the Church, Paul says that we will be appearing before the Judgment Seat of Christ. This is not a judgment on sin, which was taken care of at Calvary, it is a judgement on the works we did or did not do for Jesus Christ after we got saved. But immediately after the Second Coming, the judgment that takes place is a public judgment, not of individuals, but of the nations.

    “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.” 2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” Matthew 25:44-46 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#8: Famine, war and pestilence follow the Rapture while 1,000 years of world peace follows the Second Coming.

Again, the differences here could not be more apparent. After the Rapture, a time of unbelievable suffering is ushered in, the time of Jacob’s Trouble (Jeremiah 30:7). But after the Second Coming, a 1,000 reign of the Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem brings a world peace so amazing that even poisonous animals are no longer dangerous. The verse in Matthew 24 where the apostles ask Jesus about the “sign of thy coming” is a direct reference to the Second Coming. The doctrine of the Rapture was unknown to them at this time and would not be revealed until Paul, 30 years from the writing of Matthew.

    “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.” Matthew 24:3,6-8 (KJV)
    “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the ****atrice’ den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.” Isaiah 11:6-10 (KJV) – The Second Coming

#9: No one in the bible knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until it was revealed by the Lord to Paul.

This is one of the greatest proof-texts for why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming cannot be the same event. Paul, in Corinthians 15, is the very first to tell us of the Rapture of the Church, and lets us know that it is a “mystery” revealed by God to him alone which he then was charged with teaching the Church. Nearly every bible chronology places the date of the writing of Matthew at around 35 AD, and the writing of Corinthians at around 66 AD.

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Why is this important? Because if no one knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until Paul, then Matthew 24 and 25 cannot be, under any circumstances, referring to the Church and the Rapture because no one knew of any Rapture. In fact, at the time of Matthew the Church itself was not even formed. If Matthew knew and wrote about the Rapture of the Church, then Paul was lying when he said it was a MYSTERY that he was revealing for the first time in Corinthians.

    “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 (KJV) – The Rapture

#10: At the Rapture, believers are given a glorified body, at the Second Coming they remain in earthly bodies as they enter the Millennial Kingdom.

At the Rapture of the Church, great personal and physical change takes place for the believer. The Bible says that the born again believer receives a new body that is fashioned just like the “glorious body” that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself was given at His Resurrection. Wow, imagine that! How exciting for the believer to be able to look forward to that day. But at the Second Coming, as Jesus sets up His earthly government from Jerusalem, the people who made it through the Tribulation have no special bodies, and it is possible for them to die. Christians who get glorified bodies can never die.

    “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” Philippians 3:20,21 (KJV) – The Rapture
    “But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.” Isaiah 65:17-21 (KJV) – The Second Coming

If you are not only a Bible believer but also intellectually honest, then you must admit that we have proved completely that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are two very different events with two very different results. In this article we have given 10 reasons as to why, but could easily provide another 20 examples of the differences between the two events.

Things that are different cannot be the same. Case closed.

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« Reply #201 on: August 12, 2015, 12:55:31 pm »

I hope I'm not trying to switch gears here, but...

Mark 13:19  For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Look at the word BEGINNING in particular in this verse - if anything, this verse itself just completely debunks the gap theory heresy. If there really was a "previous" earth runned by Lucifer, fallen angels, and a "pre-Adamic" race of men prior to Genesis 1:2, but en yet Jesus Christ himself says the Time of Jacob's Trouble will be like NO TIME OTHER(meaning everything we've seen, whether Nazi Germany Soviet Union or whatever, were PEANUTS compared). Yes, meaning there was NO catastrophic time period prior to Genesis 1:2(which somehow resulted in "Lucifer's flood").

OK - pt I'm trying to make here is that you see how much confusion the gap theory has caused? And ultimately, has torn down the foundations of other very important doctrines like THE DIFFERENCES b/w the Rapture and the 2nd Coming.
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« Reply #202 on: August 14, 2015, 04:58:06 pm »

Seriously - "professing" Christians nowdays really think Alice Cooper is a born-again Christian(!). I mean they'll attack very important doctrines like repentance, and living a life of obedience and holiness. But en yet they defend these devils like Cooper?

Using this logic - then Barack Obama must be a Christian, b/c he professes to be one too. Roll Eyes

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Sam Adams preached this message, and Brian Moonan compiled the images and music on it. I know we have our issues with Adams, but nonetheless Part 1 of this preaching is actually quite good and informative.

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AS AMERICA SLEEPS, THE DARK DAYS RONALD REAGAN WARNED US ABOUT HAVE ARRIVED
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THESE ARE THE DAYS RONALD REAGAN WARNED US WOULD COME IF WE DID NOT REMAIN VIGILANT. WE HAVEN’T BEEN, AND THEY ARE HERE.

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.” – Ronald Reagan, 40th American President.

The first time I ever voted was for Ronald Reagan in 1980. I was a conservative because my parents were, but Ronald Reagan made me a legitimate conservative in my own right. Ronald Reagan was an imperfect candidate, but he had something that so few politicians have any more. He loved America and the American way of life with all his heart, and he made you love it, too.



In 2016, the Democrat front-runner for president, Bernie Sanders, is an out-of-the-closet Socialist who makes no bones about his political ideology. None at all. Unlike Barack Obama, who pretended to be Christian, American and patriotic, Bernie Sanders has no false front of any kind. You vote for him and he will fully recast America as a third-world Socialist nation. Everywhere he goes, he is greeted by screaming throngs of Obamaphone groupies who are salivating at the prospect of him being the next occupier of the Oval Office. I watch this happening on the news and ask myself “what happened to my America?” It’s gone.

THE TIMES WHERE OUR FREEDOMS WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY HAVE ARRIVED. THESE ARE THE DAYS RONALD REAGAN WARNED US WOULD COME IF WE DID NOT REMAIN VIGILANT. WE HAVEN’T BEEN, AND THEY ARE HERE.

I was talking with my good friend and brother in the Lord Dave Gervins today, and we spent nearly an hour on the phone discussing end times things. We both came to the same conclusion that there is a spirit that has settled down on America, an evil spirit, and it has blinded the eyes and minds of our citizens. As a nation, we are watching the transition to a completely pagan, Godless society with no values, no morals, no Bible, no Ten Commandments, and no Jesus Christ anywhere to be seen.

America uses taxpayer dollars to fund the murder of millions of it’s most helpless citizens every year. The Center for Medical Progress comes along with a series of videos exposing the atrocities of Planned Parenthood, and the government wants to investigate them, and not Planned Parenthood. 12 citizens were slaughtered just last week for being Christians, and our president uses it for stump speech on gun control, uttering not a single word about them being targeted for death because of their faith. But on February 13, 2015, talking about 3 Muslims who were killed, Obama had this to say:

“No one in the United States of America should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship,” spoken by Barack Obama in defense of Muslims.” source

Right now, America’s leaders are sitting listlessly on the sidelines, watching Russia dominate the narrative in the Middle East. While Putin takes charge, America sits in the corner like a pusillanimous, effeminate cipher with no mission, no direction, no leadership and no hope. And the American people just sit back and watch it all unravel, no protests in the streets, no marches on Washington, nothing. The New World Order powers that actually control this nation know that their time has arrived. They know that they can act with impunity and there will be no reprisals.



Because of that, the persecution of Christians in this country are well underway. Kim Davis was thrown in jail for refusing to issue gay marriage licences, Christian bakers Aaron and Melissa Klein were fined $135,000.00 for refusing to make a queer “wedding” cake, a US Marine court-martialed for having a Bible verse on her computer, and Barronelle Stutzman was driven from her flower shop business for refusing to do flower arrangement for a same-sex “wedding”. I could give you 50 more examples right now of people, American citizens, who are being persecuted because they are Christians and nothing else.

“…but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.” Luke 22:53 (KJV)

Right now, while you read this, American citizen and Christian pastor Saeed Abedini and 3 others are rotting in an Iranian prison because no one in Washington cares one bit about their freedom. Their release was never part of any of the negotiations of Obama’s Iranian Nuclear Deal, and it’s highly likely that Saeed will be executed for his faith. But ask Obama to spend $5 billion dollars and release 5 Taliban terrorists in Gitmo to welcome US Army traitor and deserter Bowie Bergdahl to the White House? Sure! Happy to do it. That’s a deal he can get behind.

Our national nightmare is not that anti-American Marxists have taken over the White House. No, our national nightmare is that anti-American Marxists have taken over and we, the American people, lack the collective resolve to throw them out. We have forgotten what we stand for, we have forgotten our manifest destiny, we have forgotten our American exceptionalism, and we have fallen asleep at the wheel. Worst of all, we have abandoned God, and He has forgotten us. We have been left to the desires of our wicked hearts, and have been given the king that we deserve. Obama is our judgment and we refuse to repent. The handwriting is writ large on the wall of our nation.

“And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.” Daniel 5:25 (KJV)

 I will close with these words from our greatest president:

“Admittedly, there’s a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face—that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. And what then—when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we’re retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he’s heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he’d rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us.

You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin—just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard ’round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it’s a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, “There is a price we will not pay.” “There is a point beyond which they must not advance.” And this—this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater’s “peace through strength.” Winston Churchill said, “The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we’re spirits—not animals.” And he said, “There’s something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.

We’ll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we’ll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.“
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