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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2011, 03:43:39 am »

Jesus Will Cure Your Lame Sex Life?


Talk about sermon leftovers! Cornerstone Christian Fellowship in Chandler, AZ is hopping back on this tired old band wagon. These types of sermon series were all the rage in the Purpose-Driven scene back in 2007. What are they thinking? How can Cornerstone stay relevant if all they're doing is the same things they've already done? This should be named "My Church's Lame Sermon Series". But, since they're really going through with this we thought we save a few of their artifacts and exhibit them here at the Museum of Idolatry.




The website put up by Cornerstone, MyLameSex.com actually promises that God will help people improve their lame sex lives. Seriously, has Jesus now become the Dr. Ruth of religious leaders? If people's sex lives don't improve with the help of Jesus can folks at Cornerstone get there tithe money back? Here's the quote from the site:

    "Is your sex life what you hoped it would be? Does something inside of you believe it could be better? And is better ultimately about a new technique or the latest lotion?

    Is it possible that what we don’t know about sex itself (about how men and women are wired), is actually what we really keep stumbling over? Is it possible that the one who created sex would actually have some insights into sex?

    Surprisingly, God is pro sex and wants us to have an exciting and deeply fulfilling sex life. The problem is that most of us only experience a second rate imitation of what God intended it to be!

    Would you be willing to keep an open mind and open heart while we have a conversation? All you have to lose is your lame sex life.

This is what happens when churches think that preaching the gospel, the good news of Christ's substitionary death on the cross for our sins is not enough, so they feel like they have to spice up the message by adding some more exciting worldly elements to the message. The message of the cross doesn't need sex added to it to make it more appealing. Furthermore, Jesus NEVER promised that if you believe in Him that the sex in your marriage will improve. In fact, believing in Jesus has caused many marriages to fail.
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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2011, 03:45:46 am »

Cathedral of Hope in Dallas says it will host 'gay Jesus' play

More information on this abomination is available by clicking here.

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/cathedral-of-hope-in-dallas-sa.html

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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2011, 03:47:00 am »

Safe Sex the Sermon Series!?!?

Billed as, "Biblical Protection for Maximum Pleasure" this sermon series ought to be a hit with the pagans. Thanks Church on the Journey for taking church marketing to a new low.



Oh and here's the best part. This is what is on the other side of this post card mailer. That's quite a mixed message! Would you bring your child to an Easter Egg hunt advertised with Safe Sex?

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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2011, 03:49:05 am »

Low Flying Cherubim?

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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2011, 05:32:38 am »

 Shocked wow, good job Rick Warren. Im sure your master the Devil is well pleased.
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2011, 02:48:49 pm »

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Rick Santorum's evangelical endorsement: Was the voting rigged?
http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-evangelical-endorsement-voting-rigged-124100306.html

Religious conservatives get together hoping to form a united front against the moderate Mitt Romney — and instead, wind up embroiled in a "civil war"

Rick Santorum got a potentially important boost over the weekend when a prominent group of evangelical Christian leaders voted to join ranks and back the ex-senator's presidential campaign. But Santorum might not benefit as much as he would like. The endorsement has become tainted by controversy, with religious conservatives who support Newt Gingrich charging that the vote was rigged. So instead of presenting a united front, says Ralph Z. Hallow in The Washington Times, the meeting touched off a what some evangelicals are calling a "civil war." Here's what you need to know:

What was this gathering all about?
After Mitt Romney swept Iowa and New Hampshire, a group of more than 100 influential evangelical leaders got together for an emergency meeting in Texas to discuss the race for the Republican presidential nomination. According to Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, a "supermajority" decided to back Santorum, a staunchly anti-abortion Catholic, in the hope that a unified evangelical vote could help derail Romney and result in the nomination of a more reliable conservative.

So why the controversy?
Several religious conservatives who attended the meeting said there was no consensus to back Santorum. One participant — Bush administration evangelical-outreach official Doug Wead, a Ron Paul supportersaid the event was nothing more than a pro-Santorum stunt. "The organizer was for Santorum, the person who created the invitation list was for Santorum, the emcee was for Santorum," Wead said. Gingrich supporters said the vote had been "manipulated," and one participant even accused Santorum supporters of ballot stuffing.

Do Gingrich's supporters have a legitimate complaint?
"This wasn't a clean sweep by Santorum," says David Brody at CBN.com. "Gingrich clearly had evangelical support in the room," so his backers have every right to point out that evangelical leaders aren't endorsing Santorum with one voice. It doesn't matter which candidate evangelicals back anyway, says Steve Benen at Washington Monthly. This emergency anti-Romney scheming is "almost certainly too late to make a difference." And now, with all this in-fighting, evangelicals are probably giving a boost to Romney, rather than Santorum.
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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2012, 06:13:11 pm »

Whatever happened to choosing KING JESUS CHRIST? Angry

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/evangelical-dilemma-south-carolina-adulterer-mormon-192225610.html

1/20/12

The evangelical dilemma in South Carolina: adulterer or Mormon?

For South Carolina conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, the 2012 campaign season is the year of magical rethinking. Look at the frontrunners:
 
If you want a president with a legacy of marital fidelity, you're going to have to work around Newt Gingrich's adultery.
 
If you believe that Mormons don't really qualify as Christian, you may find yourself struggling with Mitt Romney.
 
Of course, there's also Rick Santorum and Ron Paul. Then you just have to convince yourself either man can win; the probability fluctuates from week to week.
 
It's a schism that can be seen all over the state. I've seen it among my own kin, spread across the Carolinas and Tennessee, where certain ones among them have begun weighing the possibility that while the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is indeed a cult, maybe some Mormons can be Christians, and maybe the former Governor of Massachusetts is such a person.
 
Besides, what's the alternative? Four more years of The Barack and Michelle Show? Christian, please...
 

This is about as close to compromise as you can get in a family with deep roots in old-time religion and limited government, and which holds a general all-round disdain for Democrats in high office. Just last month, in fact, my Chattanooga cousin-in-law published a postmodern political treatise titled "Everything Obama Knows About the Economy." It consists of 150 blank pieces of paper, and proved to be quite the stocking stuffer.
 
The book's thesis would have no doubt resonated among the Republicans gathered in late December at Newt Gingrich's Town Hall rally at the Blue Marlin Restaurant in Columbia. But even here there was disagreement over just what to do about re-occupying the White House.
 
"I think it's ironic so many Christians want an adulterer to run the country," said college student Carl Maass, one of two protestors standing outside the roped-off area, holding a handmade sign that said "No Fat Cat Zone."
 
But for those eating shrimp and grits under the tents, this is no time for purism.
 
"When you start looking for perfection in a candidate, you don't have a candidate," said Karen Ruff. "You give it to Obama. And Newt has been very upfront about acknowledging he has made mistakes in the past. He's had to ask forgiveness for some things." (Not that that hasn't made him incredibly defensive about his mistakes, as witnessed during Thursday night's debate.)
 
The bigger question, given Romney's current vulnerability in the South Carolina primary, is whether a Mormon can ever gain traction in such an evangelical-heavy state. Will Folks, who made national headlines in 2010 when he became the first of two men to claim to have had an affair with married gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley, is skeptical. (Haley denied both accounts, went on to become the state's first female governor and recently endorsed Mitt Romney. The governor has since become a standard target on Folks' political blog.)
 
Haley was raised Sikh, a non-Abrahamic religion founded in the Punjab region, but now identifies as Christian she successfully weathered scrutiny of her conversion during her own election. Could Haley's circumstance mean an easier path Romney? Is it possible that his Mormon background ultimately will not be a factor among South Carolina evangelical conservatives?
 
"The question is, does that segment of the GOP carry the same clout that it once did?" Folks said over coffee. "For example, in 2000, I don't think a Mormon candidate would have even bothered to campaign in South Carolina, because it was the zenith of the Christian coalition. They have fallen off the map in subsequent elections. That Bible-thumping segment of the Republican electorate probably reached its nadir in the 2010 cycle."
 
Randy Page, an evangelical Christian, said the vast majority of Republicans will line up behind the nominee for obvious reasons. Giving the power of appointments and the bully pulpit back "to Obama and the liberal Democrats is not somewhere they want to go," he said.

Romney rolled into the state with a comfortable lead, but Gingrich's fiery performance in Thursday night's debate may push him to the win. The primary is upon us. As the song from the Broadway hit The Book of Mormon puts it, the only latter day is tomorrow.
 
Rodney Welch is a writer in South Carolina. He reviews books for the Free-Times in Columbia, S.C..
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2012, 06:52:21 am »

Whatever happened to choosing KING JESUS CHRIST? Angry

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/evangelical-dilemma-south-carolina-adulterer-mormon-192225610.html

1/20/12

The evangelical dilemma in South Carolina: adulterer or Mormon?

For South Carolina conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, the 2012 campaign season is the year of magical rethinking. Look at the frontrunners:
 
If you want a president with a legacy of marital fidelity, you're going to have to work around Newt Gingrich's adultery.
 
If you believe that Mormons don't really qualify as Christian, you may find yourself struggling with Mitt Romney.
 
Of course, there's also Rick Santorum and Ron Paul. Then you just have to convince yourself either man can win; the probability fluctuates from week to week.
 
It's a schism that can be seen all over the state. I've seen it among my own kin, spread across the Carolinas and Tennessee, where certain ones among them have begun weighing the possibility that while the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is indeed a cult, maybe some Mormons can be Christians, and maybe the former Governor of Massachusetts is such a person.
 
Besides, what's the alternative? Four more years of The Barack and Michelle Show? Christian, please...
 

This is about as close to compromise as you can get in a family with deep roots in old-time religion and limited government, and which holds a general all-round disdain for Democrats in high office. Just last month, in fact, my Chattanooga cousin-in-law published a postmodern political treatise titled "Everything Obama Knows About the Economy." It consists of 150 blank pieces of paper, and proved to be quite the stocking stuffer.
 
The book's thesis would have no doubt resonated among the Republicans gathered in late December at Newt Gingrich's Town Hall rally at the Blue Marlin Restaurant in Columbia. But even here there was disagreement over just what to do about re-occupying the White House.
 
"I think it's ironic so many Christians want an adulterer to run the country," said college student Carl Maass, one of two protestors standing outside the roped-off area, holding a handmade sign that said "No Fat Cat Zone."
 
But for those eating shrimp and grits under the tents, this is no time for purism.
 
"When you start looking for perfection in a candidate, you don't have a candidate," said Karen Ruff. "You give it to Obama. And Newt has been very upfront about acknowledging he has made mistakes in the past. He's had to ask forgiveness for some things." (Not that that hasn't made him incredibly defensive about his mistakes, as witnessed during Thursday night's debate.)
 
The bigger question, given Romney's current vulnerability in the South Carolina primary, is whether a Mormon can ever gain traction in such an evangelical-heavy state. Will Folks, who made national headlines in 2010 when he became the first of two men to claim to have had an affair with married gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley, is skeptical. (Haley denied both accounts, went on to become the state's first female governor and recently endorsed Mitt Romney. The governor has since become a standard target on Folks' political blog.)
 
Haley was raised Sikh, a non-Abrahamic religion founded in the Punjab region, but now identifies as Christian she successfully weathered scrutiny of her conversion during her own election. Could Haley's circumstance mean an easier path Romney? Is it possible that his Mormon background ultimately will not be a factor among South Carolina evangelical conservatives?
 
"The question is, does that segment of the GOP carry the same clout that it once did?" Folks said over coffee. "For example, in 2000, I don't think a Mormon candidate would have even bothered to campaign in South Carolina, because it was the zenith of the Christian coalition. They have fallen off the map in subsequent elections. That Bible-thumping segment of the Republican electorate probably reached its nadir in the 2010 cycle."
 
Randy Page, an evangelical Christian, said the vast majority of Republicans will line up behind the nominee for obvious reasons. Giving the power of appointments and the bully pulpit back "to Obama and the liberal Democrats is not somewhere they want to go," he said.

Romney rolled into the state with a comfortable lead, but Gingrich's fiery performance in Thursday night's debate may push him to the win. The primary is upon us. As the song from the Broadway hit The Book of Mormon puts it, the only latter day is tomorrow.
 
Rodney Welch is a writer in South Carolina. He reviews books for the Free-Times in Columbia, S.C..


Psa 67:4  O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Pro 21:1 ¶ The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. 

Dan 2:20   Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: 
Dan 2:21   And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 

Rom 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 


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« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2012, 07:17:52 am »

This was an article about Mitt Romney, yet the views expressed in this article fit this topic. Im only popsting the parts for the thread, full link at bottom.

Evolution of Religion

We first need to look at the beliefs of the Mormons. Mormons are expected to believe that their first prophet, Joseph Smith, discovered golden plates, inscribed in an unknown ancient script, in a hillside in upstate New York in the 1820s. He then translated them with the help of magic stones, discovering that they contained an alternative Bible. Smith published a translation of these plates in March 1830 as the Book of Mormon, named after Mormon, the ancient prophet-historian who compiled the book. According to this book, Jesus visited America after the crucifixion for the purpose of taking his message to the descendants of ancient Israelite tribes who had lived there for centuries, forgotten by history and unknown to modern archaeology. The Garden of Eden was actually in Missouri. They believe that a man can have many wives (maybe Mitt will also need a shadow plane like our own President for all the extra wives?). The Mormons were shunned by the other pioneering Americans and finally settled in Salt Lake City in Utah where the Church of the Latter Day Saints still has its headquarters today.
 
Rick Perry (one of the other Republican Presidential Candidates), claimed that Romney was "not a Christian" and that his election would "give credibility to a cult". Nowadays the Church of the Latter Day Saints is considered too large to be classified as a cult, but it’s certainly very far removed from the beliefs of mainstream Christian Churches. Mitt was born a Mormon, and has remained active in the church and has contributed millions of dollars to the church – his current donations for 2010 and 2011 are in the order of $2 million a year.


And that’s why I say that we should be aware of whom Mitt Romney is and what a Mormon believes. Now the questions that needs to be answered is, can a man who believes in, and follows the crazy teachings of Joseph Smith, be considered a suitable candidate to lead the largest and most powerful nation on earth?
 
But to answer that question we need to look at some of the beliefs of the mainstream religions. It took 300 years for Christianity to go from an obscure cult to being the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. Surely to the Romans it would have sounded as crazy as what the Mormons beliefs sound to us today? A guy being swallowed by a giant fish – and then living inside it? A huge boat that carried two of every living creature on the planet during a flood that covered everything? Magic bread that turn into the body of your God when you eat it? Forbidden fruit that ruined the lives of all your descendants? A virgin giving birth – after being conceived by God? A planet that was created only 6,000 years ago, despite an overwhelming body of evidence to the contrary from every relevant scientific field? A God who sacrifices his Son to himself to save the world from the punishment he himself is planning to deliver?  And it’s not only Christianity that has these crazy beliefs.


But – with time these beliefs are altered to suit a more rational way of thinking – call this evolution. Time means some of the more crazy ideas are adapted and modified. Thus "Our Savoir is returning within a generation" turns into "Our Savoir is returning one of these days." (A concept that the Jehovah Witnesses are only considering now at their founding fathers forecast dates keep passing and no Savoir appears). Even the fundamental concept of creation goes from “God created the entire universe out of nothing in six day” turns into ‘’God created matter and energy and the laws of physics and let them unfold into life as we know it.” So is Mormonism (or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Scientology, or any other relatively new religion) really any crazier than the mainstream varieties of Catholicism or Baptism, Hinduism or Buddhism, Judaism or Islam?
 
This process of evolution is continuing in religion. Think how views on homosexuality have changed in the last few years. In our parents’ generation – no church would have accepted any form of homosexual relationship as it’s specifically been listed in the Bible as a sin – and yet nowadays it’s normal to see homosexual couples attending church openly together. There are even openly homosexual people practicing as ordained ministers. Even the church accepting heterosexual couples living together out of wedlock would have been unheard just a couple of decades ago. A child born out of wedlock would not be allowed to be baptised – forever banishing that child to hell as they had not been protected by the magical waters administered by a priest. The Catholic Church is even considering allowing their priests to get married and lead a normal sexual life, much of the debate as a result of the recent exposure of priests being found expressing their sexual needs in unnatural relationships with underage congregational members. How can people claim to follow the Bible if they change the rules every few years to adapt to the changes in society? In the end it comes down to business – a church which has lost touch with its people will loose its source of income and be forced to close. People are always looking for more comfortable ways to express their faith – and thus we see the rise of the Charismatic Churches with their hip music and realise that they are satisfying a need in the modern TV generation to be entertained. The more traditional Churches are thus also adapting their service orders to fit in to the more modern world.

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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2012, 08:07:51 am »

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Yes, I get these same reactions when I try to warn others about the leaven infiltrating churches today...

1) I told my mom about a pastor she's in touch with(explained it all in the Prayers Request forum) over how he has a Starbucks Coffee shop in his megachurch, and pointed out scripture concerning it - and she pretty much rationalized the same thing, and said how all this money they're making is going to Christian missions.

2) I also told her how the Emergent Church was wrong to do all these "Leadership" conferences with ungodly people like Kenneth Starr, CEO of big companies, etc giving speeches to these pastors, and she also didn't have a problem with it.

3) I also told her how the Emergent Church this pastor is involved with allows alot of modern day hip-hop music, and she was like, "You don't understand how alot of these kids come from broken homes and this pastor got them saved, the pastors should let them do what they want for a bit".

4) I commented to someone how Rick Warren endorses gay pastors, and he was like, "What if my son was gay?!".  Roll Eyes

Yeah, alot of this stuff, Starbucks Coffee, rock music, other people's "study materials"(ie-Warren's PDL), etc, you name it that were condemned in the churches even when I was growing up as a Gen X boy in the 1980's are somehow being accepted today even by today's "elderly".

Seriously, for so many years of my life, when I and others around me would do wrong, our parents and other elders were quick to rebuke and correct us. Now? It's as if when we do the same to these minister leaders that are getting out of line, their response is, "It's WRONG to criticize". Huh

I think some people in end times circles have a misperception that it's largely the Emergent Church that has lead this "falling away" - it goes WAY back. 501c3, for example, is something alot of these end times watchers overlook grossly(ie-on one message board I used to frequent, I got met with hostility even by the nice posters when I brought this up). And don't forget about these spiritual fornication and drunken holidays like xmas and ishtar.

One more thing, concerning Romney - when he does win the GOP nom, we will see how the "evangelical right" react. It was one thing for them to support Reagan and Bush Jr, and then McCain, but if they end up giving in to supporting Romney, then their true colors are really going to come out.
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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2012, 12:12:12 am »

As for this "judge ye not, lest ye be judged..." passage that Churchianity warps for the worst - believe it or not, the SECULAR WORLD over-uses it more than its own good as well. Rock stars have used it as lyrics in their songs. Public schools have indoctrinated these "no intolerance" messages to kids. The PC running rampant on college campuses, and recently I've seen "fight intolerance" ads on tv.

Jesus warned a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump - Churchianity has gone from "judge ye not lest ye be judged..." to inviting these wolves and putting them on pedestials. Look what the Emergent Church/Purpose Driven movement has done to the church buildings. Even a couple of Freemasons in the pews will affect the entire congregation. Worst of all, the 501c3 tag has brought these church buildings back into bondage - ye cannot serve 2 masters, and ye cannot have fellowship with unrighteousness.

Does Churchianity know what "love" is anymore? Too bad the NIV and other perversions replaced "love" with the KJV word "charity" - HUGE difference, as charity means agape love for Jesus Christ AND others. love...not so much, really.

The secular world is pushing for global un1ty. The modern-day church is getting hooked into ecumenicism. They're both the same.
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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2012, 07:20:14 am »

I have a question about "falling away"...

5 years ago, I saw a Christianity segment on CNN, and one of the stories they talked about was how a young couple were former churchgoers when they were children, but when they went to college, they quit going to church(and withdrew interest in Christianity, or Churchianity to put it more like it), and when they got married and had a baby, they started going to an ecumenical unitarian church. Can't remember everything they said, but pretty much this couple said after they graduated from high school, church just didn't interest them anymore.

Pt being that when "falling away" is described as a whole, do you think it's individuals who were once had the faith but decided to depart, or maybe a SYSTEM going on as a whole, like Churchianity of today? I mean for example, this couple sounded like they were merely window-shopping church goers when they were kids to begin with.

I was once in this system growing up as a kid - go to Sunday school, attend the service, both times heard lukewarm messages and "had fun"(while at the same time remembering gleaming through bible passages and something felt like it didn't add up), and then after the church service the youth groups would go out and see secular movies, go bowling, and do other "fun" secular things. And then go back to the public school for 5 days learning stuff that you don't hear within the church walls.

Ultimately, as time went on, everything just went stale and even I withdrew interest for some time - it was as if you could do these things the other 6 days of the week in the secular world.

Anyhow, was just wondering. Some say it's the Emergent Church that's leading the "falling away", however, it's only been like 10-12 years since they've had their influence, and if these churches that do they studies were really true to the faith, the pastors wouldn't have even given a second thought in yoking up with them. So it's as if they've already been leavened for quite some time.
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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2012, 03:31:42 am »

An updated version of the Ten Commandments?

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2

Greetings from the church of Laodicea: Weeks after we all have been shaken by the news of the Wycliff Bible’s “updated” version of the God’s Word, we are again seeing another apostasy rising to full bloom. God’s very own words which He Himself commanded not to be changed are now being “updated” and preached by hundreds of churches across Great Britain.

From the Telegraph - The religious rules, which Christians believe were etched onto tablets by God and given to Moses, have been modified to use up-to-date language and principles. Inspired by last year’s riots, the new vows include “manage your anger”, “know God” and “catch your breath” and are understood to be used in more than 600 churches in Britain.

The original “thou shalt not steal” has become “prosper with a clear conscience”, and the lengthy “thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain” becomes “take God seriously”.

The commandments, designed by popular evangelical preacher J John, have been praised by religious leaders for bringing practical advice to modern congregations.

Using short, simple language interspersed with slang, the new rules have now been released on a DVD called “Just 10 for churches”, aimed at providing guidance.

The tenth commandment, for example, has altered the Biblical “thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s” to just “find contentment.”

“Thou shalt not commit adultery” have been edited to “affair-proof your relationships”, and “honour thy father and thy mother” has altered to “keep the peace with your parents”.

Updates said to make everyone understand and connect with the Ten Commandments positively

J John claims his commandments enable “everyone to understand God’s timeless principles on how we should live” and said he was inspired to write them by last summer’s riots.

He said: “Along with a lot of people I think about the way that we live nowadays and what leads people to do the sort of things that happened in the riots – whether or not we have forgotten something about a good way of living.”

The Reverend Paul Roberts, 54, vicar of St John the Evangelist in Old Coulsdon, Surrey, which dates back to 1210 AD, is among those using the new commandments.

    He said: “It’s basically a way of presenting the Ten Commandments to help people connect with them in a positive way. ”Rather than just seeing them as a list of things you shouldn’t do, it is meant to help people live as God intended for our good.

    “Unlike the dos and don’ts most people imagine when quizzed about the maker’s instructions, the message is meant to be both a challenge and an encouragement.”

Wayne Dulson, 40, minister of Loughton Baptist Church, Essex said: “People really engaged with the Ten Commandments in a new and fresh way.

“People now see these commandments not as a set of rules but as a template for living so that we experience God’s best for our lives.

“All ten commandments were extremely challenging, especially as the series helped us see them in the context of modern day living.

“People keep telling me how just10 has made them think much more about how they live their lives and also how much they have learnt about the commandments as they found out things they never knew before.”

“A modern take for a modern audience…”

Steve Jenkins, spokesman for the Church of England, said they supported new ways of communicating and added: “The Book Of Common Prayer is very clear that the faith needs to be taught afresh in every generation.”

Even former Conservative Shadow Home Secretary Ann Widdecombe, who left the Church of England after objecting to women priests, has backed J John’s rules. ”I’d say it’s not a patch on Moses but not a bad set of rules really,” she said.

“What he’s trying to do is offer a modern take on the original to explain it to a modern audience, which is fine as long as he doesn’t dispense with the original.”

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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2012, 01:40:46 am »

Yeah, these elections are rigged, however, whether it is or not, it's a fact that the GOP's core voting base are "evangelical" ie-Churchianity folks. Up until 2008, this core base of the GOP was ALWAYS ENTHUSED when it came to showing up at the voting booths on election day.

Could this be part of the "falling away"? Yeah, there are consequences when you put your trust in men...


GOP Enthusiasm Has Fallen Steeply Since 2008

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Republicans are less enthusiastic about having Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum as their potential presidential nominee than they were four years ago about Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., according to a Gallup survey released on Thursday. For conservatives, the lackluster numbers are a worrying sign that the party’s already bitter primary fight has sapped voter enthusiasm and left the GOP weakened for the fall battle with President Obama.

Gallup reported that just 35 percent of Republicans surveyed said they would vote enthusiastically for front-runner Romney if he becomes the party’s standard-bearer. Similarly, 34 percent said they would enthusiastically support Santorum, his main challenger for the nomination and the preferred choice of the most-conservative Republicans.

That represents a precipitous drop in excitement from 2008, the poll found. In a survey released in early February of that year, 47 percent of Republicans were enthusiastic about the prospect of backing McCain, a 12-point difference from Romney's numbers today.

The same poll found that the former Massachusetts governor has not been able to increase excitement about this candidacy since his first run for president four years ago, when he competed in the primary with McCain, the eventual nominee. Exactly 35 percent of Republicans said they would wholeheartedly back Romney in 2008, the same percentage who would do so now.

The enthusiasm deficit could be indicative that Republicans remain deeply divided over their presidential prospects. Santorum, Pennsylvania's former senator, has appealed to the party’s tea party and evangelical wings, while Romney’s base is made up of the party’s upscale, secular voters. Both have struggled to broaden their appeal among Republicans outside of their core constituencies.

But the poll did find at least one prospect that excites GOP voters: voting against Obama. If Romney is the nominee, 42 percent of Republicans said they would support him but would consider their vote mainly one cast against the president; 40 percent said they would be casting their vote against Obama if Santorum is on the ballot.

If Romney is the nominee, 19 percent of Republicans said they would either support Obama or not vote. With Santorum, that number creeps up to 22 percent.

The Gallup poll surveyed 457 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents from March 8-11. It has a margin of error of +/- 6 percentage points.

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« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2012, 11:53:35 pm »

I'm Jesus, Riverland man saysA COUPLE who say they are Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene have set up base in Queensland's Bible Belt.
This is the first "false saviour" story I have heard since Jim Jones.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2012, 12:03:24 am »

This is the first "false saviour" story I have heard since Jim Jones.

Oh, it’s been going on for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus

Here's a recent "pastor" in Miami.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_de_Jes%C3%BAs
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2012, 10:57:14 pm »

The only person on the list I've heard about is David Koresh.  The rest I never heard of, including the Miami pastor.

So this means that part of the prohecy is being fulfilled (there will be false christs and false prohphets).

Good to know, sad for them.
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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2012, 12:12:49 am »

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist cometh, even now are there many antichrists; by which we know that it is the last time." 1 John 2:18 (KJB)
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"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist cometh, even now are there many antichrists; by which we know that it is the last time." 1 John 2:18 (KJB)

Interesting that there are two words used in the NT.

5580. pseudochristos, psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos; from G5571 and G5547; a spurious Messiah:--false Christ.

Translated as “False” (IMO “counterfeit”)

500. antichristos, an-tee'-khris-tos: from G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah:--antichrist.

This is a spirit (singular, ruling?) identified here:

1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I’m wondering if these are different entities with missions that obviously complement each other.
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5580. pseudochristos, psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos; from G5571 and G5547; a spurious Messiah:--false Christ.
  Is this from a study bible?  (Trying to figure out the G5571, etc.)
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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2012, 12:54:57 am »

  Is this from a study bible?  (Trying to figure out the G5571, etc.)

Strong’s Concordance. G=Greek. 5571 is the word's reference number.
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« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2012, 03:48:51 am »

Interesting that there are two words used in the NT.

5580. pseudochristos, psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos; from G5571 and G5547; a spurious Messiah:--false Christ.

Translated as “False” (IMO “counterfeit”)

500. antichristos, an-tee'-khris-tos: from G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah:--antichrist.

This is a spirit (singular, ruling?) identified here:

1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I’m wondering if these are different entities with missions that obviously complement each other.

No, one and the same. That Strong's can get you sidetracked when trying to understand what only the Spirit can reveal to you.

As I understand it, the "spirit of antichrist" is simply not believing, so anybody who does not believe is antichrist. But it references in the singular; "...heard that antichrist cometh...". At least to me that appears to be a singular. So I believe there is the spirit of unbelief/antichrist, and there will be in the last days a specific entity the Antichrist, the beast out of the earth, the one who will be propped up by the second beast out of the sea, the False Prophet.
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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2012, 05:19:49 pm »

The State of the Bible 2012

Survey: Americans Believe Bible, Book of Mormon Share Same Spiritual Truths

Should the Quran and the Book of Mormon be on par with the Holy Bible? In disturbing findings that shed light on the state of Christianity in America, about half of Americans seem to think these three books are fairly interchangeable.

Indeed, on the heels of Gallup’s assessment of the religiosity by state, American Bible Society is releasing in-depth findings from its State of the Bible survey. The survey details Americans’ beliefs about the Bible, its role in society, its presence in U.S. homes and more.

According to the survey, conducted by Barna Group on behalf of American Bible Society, 46 percent believe the Bible, the Quran and the Book of Mormon are different expressions of the same spiritual truths. An equal number disagree.

In some better news, the study also reveals 47 percent of American adults believe the Bible has too little influence in society today. Only 16 percent believe it has too much influence, with the remaining adults expressing neutral opinions.

What’s more, 55 percent read the Bible to be closer to God, but that’s down 9 percent from just a year ago. And although 79 percent believe they are knowledgeable about the Bible, 54 percent were unable to correctly identify the first five books of the Bible.

“Findings from The State of the Bible 2012 survey show Americans desire to read the Bible more and turn to it for the answers to life questions but have an increasingly less reverent view of its contents,” said David Kinnaman, president of Barna Group.

Indeed, 62 percent of adults age 66 and older believe the Bible contains everything a person needs to know about living a meaningful life, dropping to 54 percent among boomers (age 47 to 65), 44 percent among those age 28 to 46, and dropping even further to 34 percent for those age 18 to 27.

On average, 85 percent of U.S. households own a Bible, and the average number of Bibles per household is 4.3. Thirty-six percent of Americans read the Bible less than once a year or never while 33 percent read the Bible once a week or more.

“In order to further our efforts to make the Bible accessible to people in a way that best fits their lives, it is imperative that we have a firm grasp on the views and actions of Americans around the Bible,” says Lamar Vest, president of American Bible Society. “While the message of the Bible is unchanging, how we deliver it is ever changing. The State of the Bible 2012 helps us to better understand how Americans are interacting with God’s Word.”

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Survey: Americans Believe Bible, Book of Mormon Share Same Spiritual Truths
  When it looked like Romney was going to be the candidate, I looked up what mormonism was on wikipedia and the explanation they gave came very close to christianity.  I thought the foundation of mormonism was based on christianity.  Of course they went wrong with the multiple wives way of life; not sure they're doing that these days.  Then of course, there's that other issue where the founder saw what sounds like a vision.  It could have happened.

Ok, now, sock it to me!  Smiley
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  When it looked like Romney was going to be the candidate, I looked up what mormonism was on wikipedia and the explanation they gave came very close to christianity.  I thought the foundation of mormonism was based on christianity.  Of course they went wrong with the multiple wives way of life; not sure they're doing that these days.  Then of course, there's that other issue where the founder saw what sounds like a vision.  It could have happened.

Ok, now, sock it to me!  Smiley

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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2012, 12:09:25 am »

No, one and the same. That Strong's can get you sidetracked when trying to understand what only the Spirit can reveal to you.

As I understand it, the "spirit of antichrist" is simply not believing, so anybody who does not believe is antichrist. But it references in the singular; "...heard that antichrist cometh...". At least to me that appears to be a singular. So I believe there is the spirit of unbelief/antichrist, and there will be in the last days a specific entity the Antichrist, the beast out of the earth, the one who will be propped up by the second beast out of the sea, the False Prophet.

I see them as closely related. One cannot agree with the pseudochristos spirit unless one has first agreed with the antichristos spirit...wouldn't make sense the other way around. It would logically follow that if Christ wasn't the savior, then people would look elsewhere, including to themselves. This has happened and is happening now.

I do agree with the rest of your assessment though. "Spirit of antichrist" active since NT. THE Antichrist (inhabiting one human) TBA.
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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2012, 04:54:54 am »

The State of the Bible 2012
According to the survey, conducted by Barna Group on behalf of American Bible Society, 46 percent believe the Bible, the Quran and the Book of Mormon are different expressions of the same spiritual truths.

No offense but someone would have to be demented to believe that.

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An equal number disagree.

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And although 79 percent believe they are knowledgeable about the Bible, 54 percent were unable to correctly identify the first five books of the Bible.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy

These people are pretty lazy if they dont that.
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« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2012, 06:25:45 am »

No offense but someone would have to be demented to believe that.

I dont know, most people in America have no idea what the Bible actually says. They learn it from TV and the news and well that isnt acurate at all. I think the numbers to low in my opinion.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy

These people are pretty lazy if they dont that.

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