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« Reply #120 on: August 20, 2012, 09:43:20 pm »

Israeli defense officials consult with Rabbi Ovadia Yosef over Iran strike
Some want the spiritual leader of ultra-Orthodox party Shas to support a strike, others to oppose it. At least one visit, in which the rabbi was briefed on Iran's nuclear program, came at Netanyahu's behest.


   Senior defense officials have recently been visiting the ultra-Orthodox Shas party's spiritual leader, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, to discuss a possible Israeli attack on Iran.

Some want the 91-year-old rabbi to support it, others to oppose it. At least one visit, in which the rabbi was briefed on Iran's nuclear program, came at the behest of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is battling for support in the cabinet to strike Iran.

   One of the visitors to Yosef's Jerusalem home was National Security Council head Ya'akov Amidror, accompanied by Interior Minister and Shas political leader Eli Yishai, the Kikar Hashabat website reported.

Yishai reportedly objects to an Israeli attack on Iran in the current circumstances, although he has not made his position clear in public.

It is not known whether Amidror or any of the others succeeded in persuading Yosef. However, on Saturday evening, a day after his meeting with Amidror, Yosef said in his weekly sermon: "You know what situation we're in, there are evil people, Iran, about to destroy us. ... We must pray before [the almighty] with all our heart."

Meanwhile, opposition head MK Shaul Mofaz (Kadima ) yesterday demanded clarifications from Netanyahu over his "intention to lead Israel into war with Iran," saying the costs of such a war would far outweigh its benefits. Mofaz also implied that Netanyahu was opening a rift with the Obama administration in an attempt to influence the November 6 U.S. presidential election, in which the prime minister is widely seen as favoring Republican Mitt Romney.

The Kadima leader wrote Netanyahu a letter asking for an urgent meeting on his plans. According to law, the prime minister must brief the opposition head on a monthly basis.

Mofaz attached a classified document, copies of which were sent to the defense minister, attorney general and chairman of the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. According to Army Radio, the attached document included a number of questions concerning Israel's preparedness for a war with Iran and relations with the United States.

Mofaz also asked for explanations of the official American position regarding an attack, and the degree of understanding between Washington and Israel in terms of intelligence, operations, the economy and the political arena.

The Kadima chairman added that an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would achieve limited results, alongside "loss of life, grave damage to the home front and deep erosion of Israel's political situation.

"Such action is immoral and operationally illogical under the circumstances," he wrote.

Mofaz criticized Netanyahu for his handling of relations with the United States. "What is the real goal behind widening the rift with the United States?" he asked. "Administration officials have clearly demonstrated to you, to the defense minister and to myself the dramatic ramifications of an Israeli operation, which would [constitute] a blunt and illegitimate intervention in internal U.S. political processes in the run-up to the presidential election in November this year," he wrote.

He slammed Netanyahu's response to President Shimon Peres' public objection to an attack. "The unrestrained attack you led against the president over the weekend points to a general loss of senses and control," he wrote.

Also, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Sunday night that the United States and Israel have different interpretations of the same intelligence reports on Iran's nuclear program. Dempsey said Israel viewed the threat posed by Tehran's atomic ambitions with more urgency, as a nuclear-armed Iran could endanger Israel's existence.

Dempsey said he conferred with his Israeli counterpart Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz on a "biweekly" basis. "We compare intelligence, we discuss regional implications. And we've admitted to each other that our clocks are turning at different rates," he said.

Dempsey said the U.S. military felt no pressure from Israel to back possible bombing raids. Speaking to reporters aboard his plane before landing Sunday night at Bagram air base in Afghanistan, Dempsey reiterated his view that any air strikes by Israel would delay but not destroy Iran's disputed nuclear project.

Iranian Defense Minister Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi said yesterday that Israelis were "afraid of their own shadow (and are ) therefore trying to control this disappointing atmosphere by brouhaha and psychological warfare, but should know that propaganda will not resolve their problems."

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« Reply #121 on: August 20, 2012, 09:48:29 pm »

One day this "war rumor" since 2003 will become reality...let not your heart be troubled...
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« Reply #122 on: August 22, 2012, 09:08:05 am »

Egyptian Cleric: People Thirst for Jews' Blood

The sermons by cleric Sallah Sultan, who founded the Ohio-based American Center for Islamic Research, were aired on July 27 and August 3. "I travel all over the world," he says, "and I met supporters of Al-Aqsa, of the prisoners, of Jerusalem, and of Palestine – people who thirst for the blood of the Jews, and who are eager for the promised war against the sons of Zion, until Palestine is liberated in its entirety." Sultan goes on to say that "Under the previous [Egyptian] regime over 30,000 Zionists entered Egypt every month, defiling its land. The Egyptian police were forced to protect them, while they were getting drunk and picking fights." "There was a great scandal, when [alleged Israeli spy] Misrati and some Jews entered Egypt, in order to commit all kinds of crimes here: counterfeit dollars, taking photographs of military bases, girls with AIDS seducing young Egyptians in order to infect them, and the vilest act of all...

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« Reply #123 on: August 22, 2012, 09:08:35 am »

Is Israel Planning EMP Attack On Iran?

Analysts say because Israel now believes diplomacy has failed to halt Iran’s nuclear program and the Jewish state’s very survival is at stake, Israelis have not ruled out a Jericho III missile launch to detonate a single electromagnetic pulse warhead at high altitude over central Iran. The assessment is underscored by recent comments from Israeli officials that the Islamic republic is reaching its “zone of immunity” from conventional military attack on its nuclear sites. In addition, analysts point out the use of long-range aircraft with refueling capability would be highly complex and pose many logistical problems. Israel also probably would not be allowed overflight permission from Turkey, Iraq or Saudi Arabia to reach its Iranian targets. Further, such an approach would minimize any element of surprise. Meanwhile, top religious and political officials in Iran have issued repeated warnings they plan to obliterate the Jewish state.

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« Reply #124 on: August 25, 2012, 11:04:43 am »

U.S. sends aircraft carrier back to Gulf to face Iran, Syria

8/23/12

By Daniel Fineren

DUBAI (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy is cutting short home leave for the crew of one of its aircraft carriers and sending them back to the Middle East next week to counter any threat from Iran, according to the official Navy News Service.

Defence Secretary Leon Panetta told sailors aboard the USS Stennis in their home port of Seattle on Wednesday they were needed back in the Middle East soon, after approving calls from the U.S. Central Command for Stennis to return to the region.

"Obviously, Iran is one of those threats," the U.S. military news service quoted Panetta as saying during a send-off event at a military base on the U.S. West Coast.

"Secondly, it is the turmoil in Syria," he said. "We're obviously following that closely as well."

The Stennis' departure in January from the Bahrain-based U.S. Fifth Fleet area of operations prompted Iranian army chief Ataollah Salehi to threaten action if it returned, saying Iran was "not in the habit of warning more than once".

The threats started a war of words between Iran and the United States that spooked oil markets, and fears over possible military confrontation remain high.

Panetta cited Iran's nuclear program and its threats to oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz as two concerns the Stennis strike group could counter in the U.S. Central Command's area of responsibility, which also includes Syria and Afghanistan.

U.S. attention on Syria is focused on providing humanitarian aid, monitoring chemical and biological weapon stockpiles, and offering non-lethal assistance to forces opposing President Bashar al-Assad, he said.

A spokesman for the Fifth Fleet in Bahrain said the redeployment was not a build-up in the Gulf because the USS Enterprise is due to leave the region on its final voyage back to the United States before being decommissioned after over 50 years of service.

"The presence of two aircraft carriers changes based on needs and requirements," Lieutenant Greg Raelson said.

Iranian threats to block the waterway through which about 17 million barrels a day sailed in 2011 have grown in the past year as U.S. and European sanctions aimed at starving Tehran of funds for its nuclear program have tightened.

A heavy western naval presence in the Gulf is a big deterrent to Tehran actually trying to block the shipping route through which most of the crude exported from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Iraq sails.

The Stennis had been due to deploy next to the Pacific towards the end of 2012 but its return to active duty has been brought forward by four months because of tension in the Gulf.

(Reporting by Daniel Fineren; Editing by Angus MacSwan)

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« Reply #125 on: September 01, 2012, 11:01:50 am »

U.S. Scales-Back Military Exercise with Israel, Affecting Potential Iran Strike
A smaller U.S. contingent may make it more difficult for the Israeli government to launch a pre-emptive strike on Tehran's nuclear program.


Seven months ago, Israel and the United States postponed a massive joint military exercise that was originally set to go forward just as concerns were brimming that Israel would launch a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The exercise was rescheduled for late October, and appears likely to go forward on the cusp of the U.S. presidential election. But it won’t be nearly the same exercise. Well-placed sources in both countries have told TIME that Washington has greatly reduced the scale of U.S. participation, slashing by more than two-thirds the number of American troops going to Israel and reducing both the number and potency of missile interception systems at the core of the joint exercise.


“Basically what the Americans are saying is, ‘We don’t trust you,’” a senior Israeli military official tells TIME.

The reductions are striking. Instead of the approximately 5,000 U.S. troops originally trumpeted for Austere Challenge 12, as the annual exercise is called, the Pentagon will send only 1,500 service members, and perhaps as few as 1,200.  Patriot anti-missile systems will arrive in Israel as planned, but the crews to operate them will not.  Instead of two Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense warships being dispatched to Israeli waters, the new plan is to send one, though even the remaining vessel is listed as a “maybe,” according to officials in both militaries.



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« Reply #126 on: September 04, 2012, 02:28:40 pm »

19 Signs That Israel And Iran Are On The Verge Of War

There is going to be war in the Middle East.  It is just a matter of time until it happens.  Israel has decided that there is no way that it can ever allow Iran to develop the capability to build nuclear weapons.  Iran has gone "all-in" on developing a nuclear program and it has become a matter of national pride at this point.  Iran does not fear an Israeli attack against its nuclear program.  In fact, Iran anticipates that an Israeli attack would cause the Islamic nations of the Middle East to come together and declare war against Israel.  Sadly, there is a very strong chance that an Israeli attack on Iran would actually spark a larger regional war.  But there is no way that Israel is going to allow Iran to develop the capability to build nuclear weapons, and time for a strike may be running out.  It has become quite clear that the Obama administration does not want to strike Iran.  So if Israel wants to do something about Iran, Israel is going to have to be the one to do it.  But if Obama wins the U.S. election in November, he might work to actively block Israel from attacking Iran for his entire second term, and the Israelis believe that by 2016 it will be way too late to do anything about Iran's nuclear program.  If Israel attacks before the election, Obama would be in danger of appearing to be "anti-Israel" if he came out against the attack.  And considering the fact that Jewish voters are a key voting block in swing states such as Florida that is not something he would want to do.  But after the election Obama would not have to worry about what Jewish voters think.  After the election Obama could move to block an attack on Iran indefinitely.

Of course if Mitt Romney wins the upcoming election things would likely be different.  Romney has taken a much harder line against Iran than Obama has.

But the Israelis know that the upcoming election could go either way.

In fact, if the election was held today Obama would probably win.

That is why the next couple of months are such a potentially dangerous time for the Middle East.

If Israel does not move against Iran now, moving against them later could be far more difficult if Obama wins a second term.

So when could we potentially see an attack?

Well, it probably would not happen prior to or during the very important Jewish holidays that are coming up in late September and early October.

That means that the most likely time for a strike would be between mid-October and election day in the United States in early November.

But will it actually happen?

Only time will tell.

The following are 19 signs that Israel and Iran are on the verge of war....

#1 Major drills simulating missile strikes have recently been held in Tel Aviv.

#2 The Israeli military has been distributing brochures to the Israeli population instructing them what to do in the event that Israel launches a strike against Iran.

#3 Israel has ramped up the distribution of gas masks to the general public.

#4 One recent poll found that 25 percent of all Israelis said that they would leave the country if Iran got nuclear weapons.  The pressure on the Israeli government to do something before it is too late is enormous.

#5 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly declared that negotiations with Iran have failed.

#6 Netanyahu reportedly "got into a diplomatic shouting match with US Ambassador Dan Shapiro" recently over what to do about Iran.

#7 According to Ynet News, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak is in favor of striking Iran....

"Barak is advocating for action and the defense establishment is investing billions to prepare for an Israeli military operation"
#8 Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren told MSNBC recently that the Israeli clock for a strike on Iran "is ticking faster" than the Obama administration clock.

#9 Former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy made the following statement back at the beginning of August....

"If I were an Iranian, I would be very fearful of the next 12 weeks"
#10 According to a new UN report, Iran's nuclear program continues to grow stronger.  The following is from a recent article in the Jerusalem Post....

"A UN report released earlier in the day revealed that Iran doubled the number of uranium enrichment machines it has in an underground bunker, showing that Tehran continued to defy Western pressure to stop its atomic work and the threat of Israeli attack."
#11 Senior Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami recently gave the following warning about what will happen if Israel strikes Iran....

"They have seen our missiles with a range of 2,000 kilometers in the Islamic Republic’s exercises, and in case of an attack, Tel Aviv will turn into ashes."
#12 Iran is planning to hold a "massive air defense drill" during the month of October.

#13 Iran is promising to take military action against Israel if the United States attacks Syria.

#14 A retired Hezbollah general says that Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon to "create a balance of terror with Israel" and "finish off the Zionist enterprise."

#15 Debka's military and intelligence sources are reporting that Iran will have enough enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon by October 1st.

#16 Something very unusual appears to be happening in Iran.  According to a report that was recently posted on Steve Quayle's website, one Iranian family is reporting that Iranians are being ordered to stay inside for the next two weeks....

The husband said that their government has just shut sown the whole country for 2 weeks. Every business and every dwelling is ordered to close. Every citizen ordered to stay in their home. If they go out they are stopped by police and will have to show their id and or papers. Her husband said they are being told it is because the Arab leaders are meeting with their government for the next 2 weeks, and that's all they were told.
#17 Russian President Vladimir Putin has severed military ties with both Iran and Syria.

#18 The Obama administration is so worried about an Israeli attack in Iran before the election that they are taking very public measures to let Israel know that they will be "on their own" if they decide to go through with it.

#19 A joint U.S./Israeli military exercise scheduled for late October has been dramatically scaled back by the Obama administration according to Time Magazine....

Well-placed sources in both countries have told TIME that Washington has greatly reduced the scale of U.S. participation, slashing by more than two-thirds the number of American troops going to Israel and reducing both the number and potency of missile interception systems at the core of the joint exercise.
Obama is apparently nervous about having a large contingent of U.S. forces over in Israel just prior to election day.  If Israel were to strike Iran at that time, U.S. forces could potentially be caught in the middle of a major conflict.

So will Israel roll the dice and launch an attack before the election even without the support of the Obama administration?

I think the odds of such an attack have increased, but I still believe that it won't happen before election day.

But I could be wrong.

The truth is that war in the Middle East is seemingly inevitable, and when it happens it could very well set off World War III.

War is always horrible.  Nobody should desire death and destruction.  But at this point it is really hard to see how war in the Middle East is going to be avoided.

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« Reply #127 on: September 04, 2012, 03:10:40 pm »

Well, considering the White House's Islamic leanings, it's no suprise they want to put the breaks on Israel. Who they want elected will get elected, so I don't read so much into that affectng the election results somehow. For military action, it stands to reason that one must look at it from a military perspective as well as a pr perspective. With Syria out of control basically, but still contained more or less, and plenty of evidence that Iran is meddling in Syria in support of Assad, it may be a time to move under cover, make a strike, and let it get caught up in the media.

I agree, it looks like the timing is getting real close for Israel to make a move. But does it really matter? I mean we know ultimately this whole thing will blow up on them, so we are just watching the details unfold.

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« Reply #128 on: September 04, 2012, 03:33:56 pm »

Pro-Israel Language Removed From Democratic Party Platform...
http://freebeacon.com/pro-israel-language-removed-from-democratic-party-platform/


Official Says Obama Will Make Netanyahu Pay After Elections
Israeli security officials on Saturday tried to downplay the Pentagon's decision to significantly scale back its participation in a joint military exercise with Israel next month, but some government officials said the decision came as a response to the growing tensions between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office and the Obama administration.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4275749,00.html


U.S. Tells Iran: We Won't Join Israeli Attack
 Senior officials in the Obama Administration sent a message to Tehran in the past few days, according to which the U.S. does not intend to join Israel's side if it decides to attack the Iranian nuclear installations on its own....
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159563
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« Reply #129 on: September 05, 2012, 06:40:43 am »

Did Obama Just Make A Deal With Israel To Delay The War With Iran Until After The Election?

Barack Obama cares about Barack Obama far more than he does about either Israel or Iran.  And as far as Barack Obama is concerned, delaying the coming war between Israel and Iran until after the election is what is best for Barack Obama.  Just think about it.  If Israel attacked Iran right now, who would that please?  It would mostly please **** Republicans, and they are not going to vote for Obama anyway.  To independents and liberals, Obama would look like a guy that couldn't stop war from happening in the Middle East.  If the U.S. showed support for the Israeli attack, that would greatly discourage his anti-war supporters from going to the polls.  If the U.S. did not show support for the Israeli attack, Obama would potentially lose many of the Jewish voters that he desperately needs in swing states such as Florida.  A war between Israel and Iran is a no-win situation for Obama right now, and as I wrote about yesterday, the Obama administration has been trying to discourage Israel from attacking Iran for weeks.  Well, now it is being reported in major international news sources that a deal has been reached between Obama and Israel.  Obama is going to publicly declare what the "red lines" are that will cause the U.S. to strike Iran's nuclear program, and the U.S. military is going to send some of their most advanced bunker busting bombs to Israel.  Those bombs will come in very handy in getting at the Iranian nuclear facilities that are hidden underground.  In return, Israel has apparently agreed to delay the attack on Iran until after the election.  So would Barack Obama really play politics with war in the Middle East?  Of course he would.  Barack Obama is obsessed with winning a second term and he would make a deal with just about anyone if it will get him closer to his goal.

The Israelis really did not want to go ahead with an attack on Iran without U.S. support anyway.  They feel like time is running out to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, but without the support of the United States it would have been hard to justify an attack to the rest of the world.

So in the end, it looks like both sides are going to get what they want.  At some point there will be an attack on Iran's nuclear program, and Obama gets it delayed until after the election.

According to Fox News, Israeli officials have admitted that they have been involved in talks with the Obama administration about Iran's nuclear program....

Israeli officials said Tuesday they are in close discussions with the United States over how to deal with the Iranian nuclear program, seeking to ease tensions that have emerged between the two allies over a possible Israeli military strike against Iran.

The dialogue, in which Israel is looking for President Barack Obama to take a tough public position against Iran, suggests the odds of an Israeli attack in the near term have been reduced.
But I have not found a U.S. news source that is reporting on the details of the deal that has apparently been reached.  The following is from an Israeli news source....

The United States may supply Israel with advanced Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bunker-buster bombs that can penetrate through up to 60 feet (almost 20 meters) of reinforced concrete, reports Maariv Tuesday.

This is part of a deal being worked out between the countries, which also includes the supply of refueling jets.

This equipment will make the job of demolishing Iran's nuclear weapon production array more feasible for Israel, should it decide to do so.

In exchange for the weapons, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu will agree to hold off on an independent attack until after the U.S. elections. President Barack Obama fears that a war could negatively affect his chances of being reelected. Israel, on the other hand, fears that Obama's re-election could create diplomatic and military conditions that allow Iran to acquire the weapon it needs for killing millions of Israelis.
The latest generation of bunker busting bombs is reportedly unlike anything that has ever been seen before.  The following is how a recent Wired article described them....

It’s an absolutely ginormous bomb designed to convince rogue regimes that there is no redoubt for the manufacture of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons buried deep enough to escape the U.S. Air Force.
Reportedly, the U.S. Air Force has spent approximately 200 million dollars developing these bombs.

In addition, the Israeli government has been pressuring Obama to take a firm public stand against Iran, and it looks like that is about to happen.

According to the Telegraph, Barack Obama will shortly announce the "red lines" that would cause the U.S. to launch a military strike against Iran.

But of course none of those "red lines" will be crossed until after the election in November.

You can take that one to the bank.

Obama is a political animal and he is going to do what is best for his political career.

So why aren't we hearing about this deal between Obama and Israel in the U.S. media?

Well, it is because the U.S. media is so busy covering all of the other important news items of the day.  Just check out some of the headlines that I pulled off of major U.S. news websites earlier today....

"Katie Couric's new talk show digs a little deeper"

"Michelle Obama on how she'll pick DNC dress"

"When exercise equipment lies"

"Kelly Ripa reveals new 'Live!' co-host"

"Heidi and Seal Top Hollywood's Nastiest Divorces"

"Ready for iPhone 5? Apple is"

"Prince Harry steps out for first time since scandal"

In America, the media tells us what the news is going to be, and the American people accept it.  The media is dominated by just a handful of incredibly powerful corporate conglomerates, so the news is actually not that hard to control.

I would think that it would be important for the American people to know that the date for the war with Iran has been pushed back until after the election because Obama wanted it that way, but obviously the big news networks disagree with me.

What do all of you think?

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« Reply #130 on: September 05, 2012, 10:17:33 am »

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What do all of you think?

It's become more obvious that Israel is on its own now(and the bible prophecizes it. Thank you Jesus!). If they wait until after the elections, Obama will likely come up with another excuse to not attack Iran(ie-if he wins re-election, he may say how he needs to reshuffle his cabinet, or if he loses, he may say you're gonna have to wait until Mitt Romney is inaugurated and go on from there).

Or this is how the scenerio could play out - there are natural disasters hitting this country like "the big one" on the West Coast or a false-flag pandemic hitting the East Coast, hence taking our eyes off of the ME...and Netenyahu will use this opportunity to strike Iran.

But that's just what I think(just to answer this writer's question).
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« Reply #131 on: September 05, 2012, 10:18:37 am »

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BTW - I like that web site. Dunno if it's Christian, but at least this "truther" site doesn't have this "But the Zionist Jews run the New World Order" attitude like alot of these "truther" sites do.
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« Reply #132 on: September 06, 2012, 01:16:46 pm »

http://www.debka.com/article/22334/Massed-US-UK-French-navies-for-drill-simulating-breach-of-blocked-Hormuz

9/5/12

The third US aircraft carrier, USS Stennis, is moving into place off the Iranian Gulf coast to lead a 12-day naval exercise of 25 nations on Sept 16-27, that will include a large-scale minesweeping drill simulating the breaching of the Strait of Hormuz against Iranian efforts to block oil passage through the strategic waterway. President Barack Obama may see Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on the last day of the exercise. He hopes to present him with proof of US readiness for military action against Iran and demonstrate that an Israeli strike is superfluous.

The Stennis will join two other aircraft carriers, the USS Enterprise and USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, and their strike groups, which are already on operational duty off the coast of Iran, ready for the drill which kicks off in the strategic Strait of Hormuz on Sept. 16.

US officials say the Stennis will replace the Enterprise, but according to debkafile’s military and Washington sources all three carriers will remain in place opposite Iran in the Gulf region in the coming months. British and French warships are completing their transfer to new stations off Iran for the big exercise in which the Saudi and United Arab Emirates navies will also take part.

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« Reply #133 on: September 06, 2012, 03:46:09 pm »

They now have 3 carrier strike groups in the gulf off Iran? That's a small area for 3 carrier groups to be in. I suspect at least one of them isn't there, but just outside the gulf, basically guarding the front door.

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He hopes to present him with proof of US readiness for military action against Iran and demonstrate that an Israeli strike is superfluous.

Regardless of how the author might know that of the President, one could interpret it as meaning they have their hardware in place as backup in case Israel's strike goes south.
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« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2012, 10:53:08 pm »

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/intelligence-committee-chair-describes-explosive-confrontation-between-netanyahu-and-american-ambassador/262056/

Intelligence Committee Chair Describes Explosive Confrontation Between Netanyahu and American Ambassador

9/6/12

Rep. Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, says that his much-discussed meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem late last month did, in fact, devolve into an sharp confrontation between Netanyahu and the American ambassador to Israel, the former National Security Council official (and former Obama campaign Jewish liaison), Dan Shapiro.

Rogers told a Michigan radio interviewer earlier this week that he had not previously witnessed such a high-level confrontation, and he described Israeli leaders as being at "wits' end" over what they see as President Obama's unwillingness to provide them with his "red lines" in the effort to stop Iran's nuclear program. He also said that neither the Israelis nor the Iranians believe that Obama would use force to stop the nuclear program. (UPDATE: Rogers said as well he believes the Israelis will "probably" bomb Iran if they don't get clearer red lines from the U.S.)

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« Reply #135 on: September 07, 2012, 03:29:10 am »

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By Clare Lopez:
 
The Arabic word Taqiyya means “deceit” or “dissimulation.” Unlike the Christian or Jewish religions, Islam not only permits its believers to lie but actually commands it in some circumstances. For the most part, Muslims are not supposed to lie to one another; but, exceptions are made for smoothing over differences between friends (“He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar,” Bukhari vol. 3:857 p.533.), lying to one’s wife, and lying in warfare. (Recall: Muhammad himself said, ‘War is deceit,” Bukhari vol. 4:267 and 269)
 
Lying to non-Muslims, though, is another matter. In fact, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened. Taking it a step further, if there is an objective to be achieved that is desirable in Islam, then it is permissible for Muslims to lie in order to achieve that objective. The book of Islamic law, Reliance of the Traveller (or the ‘Umdat al-Salik), states on pg. 746:
 
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it.  When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…”
 
This principle of lying in order to advance the cause of Islam results in serious consequences when it comes to the issue of Muslims seeking to spread Islam around the world and especially in places like the United States (U.S.) and the West, where the majority of people are not Muslim. Shariah-compliant Muslims routinely use deceptive “wolf in sheep’s clothing” type tactics to polish Islam’s image while at the same time avoiding, obscuring, or omitting any of the negative aspects of Islamic doctrine, history, law, and scriptures. This is often done with prospective converts as well as with audiences Muslims hope will be gullible, like academics, government officials, members of the media, and the public at large.
 


For example, Muslims often will cite verses from the (chronologically) earlier portions of the Qur’an (which generally were moderate, peaceful, and tolerant), while neglecting to mention that this was the period in Muhammad’s life when he and his tiny band of followers lived in Mecca, where they were ridiculed, powerless, and mostly unaccepted. Yet, even as they cite such passages, they are fully aware that most of these early verses were abrogated (cancelled and replaced) by later passages of the Qur’an that Muhammad produced after the hijra (migration) to Medina. The replacement verses, from a time when Muslims grew powerful, reflect harsh intolerance for non-Muslims and command violence to subjugate infidels (unbelievers) to Islamic law (shariah).
 
Shariah Muslims do not always express their hostility to unbelievers openly, though. This is where taqiyya comes in. Based on verses from the Qur’an and hadiths (sayings of Muhammad), Muslims can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and even display adherence with their unbelief, if this will advance the cause of Islam and protect the believer from harm. Here is one of those verses from the Qur’an:
 
“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” (Q 3:28)
 
Ibn Kathir was an Islamic scholar who wrote one of the most authoritative commentaries (or Tafsirs) on the Qur’an. This is what he said about this particular Qur’anic verse regarding Muslims pretending to befriend infidels:
 
“Unless you indeed fear a danger from them’ meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.…‘We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, vol. 2, 141)
 
So, according to this Islamic principle, if under pressure or threatened with force, not only may Muslims deceive non-believers, it is even legitimate for Muslims to behave in ways normally completely contrary to their faith. For instance, given such circumstances, a Muslim may drink alcohol, skip prayers and fasting during Ramadan, renounce belief in Allah and even pretend homage to a deity other than Allah, and utter insincere oaths. It is important to understand the concept of taqiyya so as not to be taken in by such tactics.
 
Clare M. Lopez, a senior fellow at the Clarion Fund, is a strategic policy and intelligence expert with a focus on Middle East, national defense, and counterterrorism issues.
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« Reply #136 on: September 07, 2012, 11:04:31 am »

http://news.yahoo.com/canada-closes-embassy-iran-141421558.html

9/7/12

Canada closes embassy in Iran

TORONTO (AP) — Canada's Conservative government said Friday it is shutting its embassy in Tehran and severing diplomatic relations with Iran, which Canada says is providing military assistance to Syria.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said that the Canadian embassy in Tehran will close immediately and Iranian diplomats in Canada have been given five days to leave.

Baird, who serves in a government that is a staunch ally of Israel, said Iran is the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today.

"The Iranian regime is providing increasing military assistance to the Assad regime; it refuses to comply with UN resolutions pertaining to its nuclear program; it routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide," Baird said in a statement.

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159724#.UEozfK79Xah



'Next 50 Days Most Fateful Since Yom Kippur War' – Hanegbi

Former Head of Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Tzachi Hanegbi, hints at timetable for Iran attack.

"We now stand, in my opinion, before the 50 most fateful days in Israel's history, since perhaps the Yom Kippur War, in which there were also several dozen fateful days."

So said the former Head of Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Tzachi Hanegbi, at a closed meeting of Likud activists in Yafo. A recording of his speech reached daily newspaper Makon Rishon's reporter, Ze'ev Kam.

"The prime minister will have to make decisions that will bear a price tag. Allowing Iranian nuclear weapons has a price tag. The practical result will be a nuclear arms race in the entire Middle East," he explained.

"Today, when we say that we understand the danger of the Iranian threat, and understand that a confrontation bears a price, it is because we want to prevent our sons and grandson from paying unbearable prices," he said.
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« Reply #138 on: September 07, 2012, 08:17:35 pm »

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By: Avi Ashkenazi posted on Wednesday, Sep 5, 2012

The New York Police Department opened its Israeli branch in the Sharon District Police headquarters in Kfar Saba. Charlie Ben-Naim,  a former Israeli and veteran NYPD detective, was sent on this mission.

 You don’t have to fly to New York to meet members of the police department considered to be the best in the world — all you have to do is make the short trip to the Kfar Saba police station in the Sharon, where the NYPD opened a local branch.

Behind the opening of the branch in the Holy Land is the NYPD decision that the Israeli police is one of the major police forces with which it must maintain close work relations and daily contact.

Ben-Naim was chosen for the mission of opening the NYPD branch in Israel. He is a veteran detective of the NYPD and a former Israeli who went to study in New York, married a local city resident and then joined the local police force. Among the things he has dealt with in the line of duty are the extradition of criminals, the transmitting of intelligence information and assistance in the location of missing persons, both in the United States and in Israel.

It was decided, in coordination with the Israeli police, that the New York representative would not operate out of the United States embassy but from a building of the Sharon District Police headquarters, situated close to the Kfar Sava station. The NYPD sign was even hung at the entrance to the district headquarters, and Ben-Naim’s office is situated on the first floor of the building. One of the walls bears the sign: “New York Police Department, the best police department in the world.”
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Connect the dots: In ’02, NYPD began training in Israel; 9 years later, spying against NYC Muslims exposed
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In 2002, the Los Angeles Times reported:

    Five New York City police investigators are in Israel for a symposium on suicide bombers. The officers are apparently the first members of a U.S. police department to receive training from Israeli counter-terrorism experts.

    "Obviously after 9/11 everyone's world changed," Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said. "We have to be as prepared as we can be for any eventuality."

The New York Police Department (NYPD) has a detective "based in Israel" who reports back to department head Ray Kelly.  The relationship continues.

Fast-forward to the present, where in recent weeks a steady drip of outrageous revelations about the NYPD's indiscriminate spying on Muslim New Yorkers continues to be published by the Associated Press.

Israeli "counter-terror" tactics rely on a racist dragnet that labels every Palestinian a threat to Israeli security, much in the same way the NYPD's operation reveal that the department believes every Muslim guilty until proven innocent.

The NYPD, of course, needs no help in learning the tactics of racial profiling when it comes to policing communities of color.  But the close relationship between the NYPD and Israel on counter-terrorism merits a closer look.  Just what insight is the NYPD gathering from Israeli security?

Is the NYPD's spying operation on Muslim New Yorkers yet another example of, as Scott McConnell put it, "anti-Muslim bigotry" becoming embedded in the U.S. due in part to Israeli-centric ideas about counter-terrorism?
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Five New York City police investigators are in Israel for a symposium on suicide bombers. The officers are apparently the first members of a U.S. police department to receive training from Israeli counter-terrorism experts.
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« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2012, 03:37:31 am »

What in the world is the NYPD doing with an office outside the state of New York? It's a STATE law enforcement agency, not Interpol. Roll Eyes

It's the most stupid thing I've ever heard from law enforcement. A state law enforcement agency with an international office? It makes no sense because they have zero juridiction outside New York.

What, is NY now considering itself a seperate country that it does business direct with other coutnries? I'm just amazed at this. It has no legal ground at all. It's a waste of NY money.
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« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2012, 03:43:57 am »

What in the world is the NYPD doing with an office outside the state of New York? It's a STATE law enforcement agency, not Interpol. Roll Eyes

It's the most stupid thing I've ever heard from law enforcement. A state law enforcement agency with an international office? It makes no sense because they have zero juridiction outside New York.

What, is NY now considering itself a seperate country that it does business direct with other coutnries? I'm just amazed at this. It has no legal ground at all. It's a waste of NY money.

its not the New York state police but New York CITY police.
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« Reply #141 on: September 08, 2012, 04:50:36 am »

Right, it's not even the state police. I meant to say it's state-based, with no jurisdiction outside New York City.
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« Reply #142 on: September 08, 2012, 05:06:14 am »

maybe they are pushing for a city-state status like London and the Vatican
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« Reply #143 on: September 08, 2012, 05:20:56 am »

Well, they can all pile on Manhattan, pull up the drawbidge and have at it! The US will make sure they have a TSA checkpoint at every border crossing. Just think, multiple bodily violations, just to go see your aunty in Jersey!
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« Reply #144 on: September 11, 2012, 04:36:28 pm »

Okay, so back directly on topic...Obama just dissed Netanyahu on a meeting this month, claiming he is busy with his campaign! True or not, that's a heck of a story to go out, especially at a time like this with Iran. But is it what it appears? The US has seemed to hesitate in fully supporting Israel over Iran. That's a departure from past US policy. Why would the US hassle Israel over Iran? Well, if the US president were Arabic-friendly for some certain reason he denies, then one can see how.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/11/early-frost-white-house-gives-chilly-response-to-proposed-obama-netanyahu-talk/

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The White House has brushed aside an offer by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet with President Obama later this month, Israeli officials told Fox News. The apparent snub came despite a state of heightened alert over Iran’s nuclear program and the possibility of Israeli action.
 
Sources said Netanyahu, though he plans to be in New York City during his brief stay, was offering to travel to D.C. to make the meeting happen. However, the White House apparently said Obama’s tight schedule – the president is in the middle of a feverish campaign schedule -- would make a meeting difficult.
 
The turn-down comes amid increasing international anxiety about Iran’s nuclear program. The U.N. reportedly has found new intelligence showing Iran is moving toward nuclear weapon capability.
 
But the exchange between the White House and the prime minister’s office is the most recent in what is seen as a cool, if not strained, relationship between Obama and Netanyahu, despite Israel being considered one of the United State’s closest allies.
 
One well-placed Jewish-American leader told Fox News that the White House has not yet fully ruled out moving things around on the schedule in order to accommodate Netanyahu – but that as of now, Obama is scheduled to be on the campaign trail during the window of time when Netanyahu can make it to Washington.
 
“Discussions are ongoing,” the source emphasized.
 
Asked about relations between the two men, the source acknowledged they “are not warm and fuzzy” and that there is “a lot of tension” between the two governments, given the gravity of the issues under consideration.  But overall, the source said the alliance remains strong, particularly in terms of military-to-military cooperation, and even in day-to-day interactions “up to and including the prime minister.”
 
Republicans were quick, though, to pounce on the apparent snub. Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, tweeted:  “How ironic that the #POTUS has time for high dollar $40K-a-head fundraiser with @JayZ and @Beyonce but not for the PM of Israel.”
 
The prime minister’s office told the White House that Netanyahu’s official visit will be short, starting on a Thursday and ending at sundown Friday because of the Sabbath. (cont.)


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« Reply #145 on: September 11, 2012, 05:08:19 pm »

Okay, so back directly on topic...Obama just dissed Netanyahu on a meeting this month, claiming he is busy with his campaign! True or not, that's a heck of a story to go out, especially at a time like this with Iran. But is it what it appears? The US has seemed to hesitate in fully supporting Israel over Iran. That's a departure from past US policy. Why would the US hassle Israel over Iran? Well, if the US president were Arabic-friendly for some certain reason he denies, then one can see how.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/11/early-frost-white-house-gives-chilly-response-to-proposed-obama-netanyahu-talk/


He has conflicts with campaign time when these elections are pre-determined to begin with? Roll Eyes

Well, try showing THIS news story to the "But the Zionist Jews are running the Illuminati!" crowd...
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« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2012, 04:10:30 am »

Now the White House is claiming they didn't snub Netanyahu!

Check this spin out...(His schedule is sooo busy, he barely found time to be on Letterman) Roll Eyes

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-turns-down-netanyahu-meeting-request-201715077--election.html

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UPDATE 9:32 p.m. EDT: The White House denied late Tuesday that President Barack Obama had snubbed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by rejecting his request for a meeting when he comes to the annual United Nations General Assembly in New York in late September. A spokesman confirmed an Israeli news reports that the two leaders would not meet but cited the president's uncertain and hectic election-year schedule.
 
"Contrary to previous press reports, there was never any request for a meeting between the Prime Minister and President in Washington, nor was this request ever denied," U.S. National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor told reporters by email.
 
(Obama and Netanyahu later spoke by telephone for an hour "as a part of their ongoing consultations," the White House said. "The two leaders discussed the threat posed by Iran's nuclear program, and our close cooperation on Iran and other security issues. President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu reaffirmed that they are united in their determination to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, and agreed to continue their close consultations going forward," it said in a statement).
 
Vietor's comments and the conversation came after Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that the White House had turned down a request for talks. Haaretz said Netanyahu had asked Obama for a meeting during his stay in the United States and expressed a willingness to come to Washington to do so. Earlier, when asked about that report, Vietor had said that the two leaders would not meet.
 
"The President arrives in New York for the UN on Monday, September 24 and departs on Tuesday, September 25. The Prime Minister doesn't arrive in New York until later in the week," Vietor said.
 
"They're simply not in the city at the same time. But the President and PM are in frequent contact and the PM will meet with other senior officials, including Secretary Clinton, during his visit."
 
The Haaretz report said the request was "declined" and that this "marks a new low" in relations between Obama and Netanyahu, who has publicly criticized Washington for not taking a harder line on Iran's nuclear program. (Still, Haaretz noted that "Netanyahu will spend only two and a half days on U.S. soil" and the White House "said that at this time Obama's schedule does not allow for a meeting.")
 
Mitt Romney has repeatedly accused Obama of shortchanging the relationship between the U.S. and Israel.
 
But a knowledgeable American official stressed it wasn't personal, saying Obama's schedule was in flux and emphasizing that he doesn't anticipate the president "will have any bilats [bilateral meetings with foreign leaders] at UNGA [the U.N. General Assembly] this year."
 
Still, Obama reportedly planned to appear on David Letterman on Sept. 18, the first day of the annual diplomatic gathering.
 
Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham criticized Obama for not sitting down with Netanyahu, describing themselves as "surprised and disappointed."
 
"It is puzzling that the President can't make time to see the head of state of one of America's closest allies in the world," they said in a joint statement. "If these reports are true, the White House's decision sends a troubling signal to our ally Israel about America's commitment at this dangerous and challenging time, especially as Iran continues to work actively toward developing a nuclear weapons capability."
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Israel leader says US may not act against Iran

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9/14/12

JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has suggested that Israel cannot rely on the U.S. to act against Iran's suspect nuclear program.

In an interview published Friday, Netanyahu hinted Israel may have to strike Iran even without U.S. support to prevent Tehran from building a nuclear weapon.

The comments indicate Netanyahu is not backing down from his thinly-veiled criticism of the Obama administration, despite a phone call from the U.S. president this week that was meant to smooth over their differences.

In the interview in Israel Hayom, a daily that is a staunch backer of the premier, Netanyahu says he has heard those "who say we should wait until the last minute."

Then, he asks: "But what if the U.S. doesn't act?"

Iran denies it is seeking a nuclear bomb.
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Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike
An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf in the belief that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s covert nuclear weapons programme.

9/15/12

Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Western leaders are convinced that Iran will retaliate to any attack by attempting to mine or blockade the shipping lane through which passes around 18 million barrels of oil every day, approximately 35 per cent of the world’s petroleum traded by sea.

A blockade would have a catastrophic effect on the fragile economies of Britain, Europe the United States and Japan, all of which rely heavily on oil and gas supplies from the Gulf.

The Strait of Hormuz is one of the world’s most congested international waterways. It is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point and is bordered by the Iranian coast to the north and the United Arab Emirates to the south.

In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.

The war games are the largest ever undertaken in the region.

They will practise tactics in how to breach an Iranian blockade of the strait and the force will also undertake counter-mining drills.

The multi-national naval force in the Gulf includes three US Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than the entire complement of the Iranian air force.

The carriers are supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships carrying thousand of US Marines and special forces.

The British component consists of four British minesweepers and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Cardigan Bay, a logistics vessel. HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

In addition, commanders will also simulate destroying Iranian combat jets, ships and coastal missile batteries.

In the event of war, the main threat to the multi-national force will come from the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy, which is expected to adopt an “access-denial” strategy in the wake of an attack, by directly targeting US warships, attacking merchant shipping and mining vital maritime chokepoints in the Persian Gulf.

Defence sources say that although Iran’s capability may not be technologically sophisticated, it could deliver a series of lethal blows against British and US ships using mini-subs, fast attack boats, mines and shore-based anti-ship missile batteries.

Next month, Iran will stage massive military manoeuvres of its own, to show that it is prepared to defend its nuclear installations against the threat of aerial bombardment.

The exercise is being showcased as the biggest air defence war game in the Islamic Republic’s history, and will be its most visible response yet to the prospect of an Israeli military strike.

Using surface-to-air missiles, unmanned drones and state-of-the-art radar, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and air force will combine to test the defences of 3,600 sensitive locations throughout the country, including oil refineries and uranium enrichment facilities.

Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili, commander of the Khatam al-Anbiya air defence base, told a conference this month that the manoeuvres would “identify vulnerabilities, try out new tactics and practise old ones”.

At the same time as the Western manoeuvres in the Gulf, the British Response Task Forces Group — which includes the carrier HMS Illustrious, equipped with Apache attack helicopters, along with the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle - will be conducting a naval exercise in the eastern Mediterranean. The task force could easily be diverted to the Gulf region via the Suez Canal within a week of being ordered to do so.

The main naval exercise comes as President Barack Obama is scheduled to meet Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, today to discuss the Iranian crisis.

Many within the Obama administration believe that Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities before the US presidential elections, an act which would signal the failure of one of Washington’s key foreign policy objectives.

Both Downing Street and Washington hope that the show of force will demonstrate to Iran that Nato and the West will not allow President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader, to develop a nuclear armoury or close Hormuz.

Sir John Sawers, the head of MI6, the Secret Intelligence Service, reportedly met the Israeli prime minister and Ehud Barak, his defence secretary, two weeks ago in an attempt to avert military action against Iran.

But just last week Mr Netanyahu signalled that time for a negotiated settlement was running out when he said: “The world tells Israel 'Wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, 'Wait for what? Wait until when?’

“Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”

The crisis hinges on Iran’s nuclear enrichment programme, which Israel believes is designed to build an atomic weapon. Tehran has long argued that the programme is for civil use only and says it has no plans to an build a nuclear bomb, but that claim has been disputed by the West, with even the head of MI6 stating that the Islamic Republic is on course to develop atomic weapons by 2014.

The Strait of Hormuz has long been disputed territory, with the Iranians claiming control of the region and the entire Persian Gulf.

Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps recently boasted that “any plots of enemies” would be foiled and a heavy price exacted, adding: “We determine the rules of military conflict in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.”

But Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, warned that Iranian attempts to exercise control over the Strait of Hormuz could be met with force.

He said: “The Iranians need to understand that the United States and the international community are going to hold them directly responsible for any disruption of shipping in that region — by Iran or, for that matter, by its surrogates.”

Mr Panetta said that the United States was “fully prepared for all contingencies” and added: “We’ve invested in capabilities to ensure that the Iranian attempt to close down shipping in the Gulf is something that we are going to be able to defeat if they make that decision.”

That announcement was supported by Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, who added: “We are determined to work as part of the international community effort to ensure freedom of passage in the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz.”

One defence source told The Sunday Telegraph last night: “If it came to war, there would be carnage. The Iranian casualties would be huge but they would be able to inflict severe blows against the US and British.

“The Iranian Republican Guard are well versed in asymmetrical warfare and would use swarm attacks to sink or seriously damage ships. This is a conflict nobody wants, but the rhetoric from Israel is unrelenting.”
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The Brits haven't had an armada since the 1700's!  Cheesy
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