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« on: November 03, 2011, 09:45:05 pm »

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Image of Jesus Appears on Screen Door in Texas

Throughout this past year, a number of different people have claimed to see the image of Jesus Christ in some of the most unlikely places, and while many remain skeptical, others are inspired by the thought that the Savior could appear in ordinary places. Texas resident Lupita la Bourdette said one such image appeared to her on the screen door leading into her home.
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    This is something that people have to see to believe, la Bourdette, a Catholic, told KRGV reporters. When I saw it, I wanted to cry. It impressed me so much.

The resident of Pharr, Texas, said the image of Jesus and his mother Mary, whom she says appears to be holding a baby, showed up on the metal screen six years ago, shortly after she had a dream in which a little girl told her to pray for the world because a lot of bad things are going to happen.

She didn't think others would believe her, but on Tuesday, All Saints Day, la Bourdette finally shared her secret. She and another area resident, Maria Elena Graciano, hope that the images will inspire belief and hope in those living in the area who are in need of something to believe in.

God is here with us on earth. Many people don't believe that. And He's here with His son, Graciano told KRGV. She said anyone is welcome to go and see the image, but asks that those interested in leaving money just leave a rose instead.

The screen-door Jesus is just one of several similar images that have made headlines this year.

In June, N.C. residents living near the town of Kinston said a pole covered in vines assumed the appearance of the Savior on the cross. The plant that took over the pole, and part of the wires connected to it, is called kudzu and is considered a nuisance by many who live in the South.

Kent Hardison, who operates Ma's Hotdog House about half a mile down the road from the pole, told a reporter from Kinston.com that he thought about spraying the plant with weed-killer, but decided not to.

I glanced at it, and it looks like Jesus, he told the reporter. I thought, 'You can't spray Jesus with Roundup.'

In July, an Anderson County, S.C., couple said the image of Jesus appeared on a Wal-Mart receipt they received after having some photographs developed. According to Jacob Simmons and Gentry Lee Sutherland, they sat the receipt on Sutherland's kitchen table, where it stayed for a few days.

After attending a Bible study one night, though, the couple returned to Sutherland's house to watch a movie, and that's when Simmons first noticed the image.

"People are going to believe what they want to believe," Sutherland told NY Daily News. "There [are] tons of people who will say, 'Oh, we're in the Bible Belt,' but here's my question to the doubters, who else has the power to put their face on a check-out receipt but Jesus?"

In September, a Maryland woman, Brittany Wampler, said she saw the image of Jesus on a Nintendo NES game console she purchased off of eBay.

"We were inspecting it for cracks/damage and when we turned it just right into the light, the image showed up," Wampler told Kotaku. "Our reaction was mainly curiousity (sic) at first. Then as we looked at it closer and ruled out what it couldn't be, we began to get excited about it."

Despite her excited reaction to the image, Wampler said she was unsure of whether or not to attribute the appearance of the image to supernatural causes.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/image-of-jesus-appears-on-screen-door-in-texas-60247/

Walmart Shoppers See Jesus on Receipt

http://www.christianpost.com/news/couple-find-jesus-christ-in-walmart-52665/
    Jesus Receipt'Jesus Appeared on My Nintendo,' Maryland Woman Claims
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 10:01:44 pm »

Mat 24:23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Rom 8:24  For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25  But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 10:08:45 pm »

Acts 16:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

People are way too superstitious, and I imagine this is part of the strong delusion, and will deceive a lot of people, but you can just see people looking for, or seeking after a sign with all their heart. Well if you look hard enough, Satan will give you what you want as a counterfeit to God.

Besides that face they are seeing is probably the long haired Jesus that everyone likes to see, but we know it says in the scriptures that its a shame for a man to have long hair.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 04:56:00 am »

Miraculous Images
http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/miraculous_images.htm

Face of Jesus appears on cider bottle to amazement of pub drinkers
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-563284/Face-Jesus-appears-cider-bottle-amazement-pub-drinkers.html#ixzz1cjG9pNgq

Praise 'Cheesus'! Face of Jesus Appears in Three-Cheese Pizza
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/04/praise-cheesus-face-of-jesus-appears-in-pizza/

Image of Jesus 'appears in a frying pan'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7424976/Image-of-Jesus-appears-in-a-frying-pan.html
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 08:35:31 pm »

Texan Claims to Have Found Jesus Image in Knot of Wood


A Texas man says that he might have found an image of Jesus Christ on a knot of wood that miraculously appeared on Wednesday.
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Eddie Fregia of Hardin says that while cutting some wood at the Potetz Home Center of Cleveland to make a table he noticed a strange knot on one of the cut wood pieces.

Fregia told a Houston newspaper that he rushed to get a coworker who also remarked that the knot that appeared looked like Jesus.

Fregias wife told The Christian Post that she believed her husband did not create it and that he was very touched and surprised by the image appearing.

She also said that although in an earlier interview with the Cleveland Advocate her husband had said that it might be taken to their church this coming Sunday, she explained that no such plans were being considered.

As the Fregias continue to get attention from the press, pastors from churches across Texas have voiced their thoughts about the story.


Since we have no photographs or actual images of Jesus from his own time, who can say whether the image depicted in the knot of wood resembles Jesus or not? said Larry Bethune, senior pastor of University Baptist Church in Austin, to CP.

Perhaps such apparitions reassure some believers, but they reflect our faith poorly to nonbelievers and confirm the widespread opinion that all Christian belief is superstition.

Bethune believed that Christians should not be looking for Jesus in objects like wood, toasts, or cloud formations, but rather among the faces of the least of these.

The Rev. Sherman Stenson of St. Paul Lutheran Church, meanwhile, thought that the story was a mixed bag for Christians.

It's likely that such stories merely accentuate and reinforce the impressions the readers already have of Jesus and of Christianity, rather than swaying them from one side to another, said Stenson.

On the one hand, any opportunity to bring Jesus Christ into a conversation is a place to open doors for the discussion of sin and grace, law and Gospel, condemnation and salvation. On the other hand, claims of seeing Jesus' imagined likeness in food, clouds, flowers, wood, or any other material often tend to trivialize him, rather than glorify him.

This is not the first claim of a miraculous image of Jesus appearing on wood this year. In February, the Orange County Register reported that a Mission Viejo, Calif., resident claimed to have found an image of Jesus on an old rocking chair.

Lou Balducci found the image on a rocking chair that had been in his yard for years. Originally intending to throw it away, in June Balducci put the chair on ebay at a starting price of $25,000.

Now people from all around the world can travel and experience the possible healing powers of the chair, read the ad posted on the ebay site.

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Virgin Mary's belt arrives in Moscow before election

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Tens of thousands of Russians lined up outside Moscow's central cathedral Saturday for a chance to kiss a relic of the Virgin Mary brought from a Greek monastery a few weeks before a parliamentary election.

The Cincture of the Virgin Mary, believed by the faithful to be the belt worn by the Madonna, is said to promote fertility and good health and was brought by Greek monks to Russia last month, greeted on arrival by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Putin, whose United Russia Party hopes to maintain domination of the lower house of parliament in the election on December 4, has long courted the Orthodox Church. A former KGB spy, he now portrays himself as a devout Christian.

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The skull of Catholic Santa has a boken nose

Catholics sell liquid they claim comes from his bones. 1607 years after his death, scientists discovered that the saint had a broken nose.


The relics of St.Nicholas are not like other remains of a man.

The Roman Catholic Church has managed to mint money out of the legacy of a man who died in 343 A.D.  Because when his skull and bony remains was removed from a tomb in 1950, the Catholics claimed liquid came from the dry bones. This liquid is only collected on the feast day of Nicholas, which is December 6th. The liquid is called manna, and is sold on bottles as miraculous water.

When the World Council of Churches wanted to have interfaith prayer with Catholic priests in May 2003, the representatives of the Vatican took the delegation to the tomb of Nicholas at Bari in Italy.

This is what the Vatican has recorded, and published on their official website, in regards to the meeting of the Joint Committee.

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Lining up to see a vial of Pope John Paul II's blood in Colombia



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Hundreds of faithful have converged on a cathedral in the Colombian capital to see drops of blood of the late pope John Paul II, who was beatified last year.

The blood, contained in a glass case, was brought to Colombia from Germany and placed at Bogota's Central Cathedral on public display.

'Colombian Catholics want to ask John Paul II through his blood to intervene and make peace possible in the country,' said Friday Juan Vicente Cordoba, secretary of the Episcopalian Conference of Colombia.

Pope John Paul II headed the Catholic Church from 1978 until his death in April 2005. He was beatified in May 2011. Thousands of Colombians have perished in a guerrilla war launched by leftist rebels in 1964.



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Saint's ancient heart stolen from Dublin cathedral



Somewhere in Ireland, a burglar has the heart of a saint.

Officials at Christ Church Cathedral in Dublin said Sunday they're distraught and perplexed over the theft of the church's most precious relic: the preserved heart of St. Laurence O'Toole, patron saint of Dublin.

O'Toole's heart had been displayed in the cathedral since the 13th century. It was stored in a heart-shaped wooden box and secured in a small, square iron cage on the wall of a chapel dedicated to his memory. On Saturday someone cut through two bars, pried the cage loose, and made off with the relic.

"I am devastated that one of the treasured artifacts of the cathedral is stolen," said the Most Rev. Dermot Dunne, the cathedral's dean. "It has no economic value but it is a priceless treasure that links our present foundation with its founding father."

Ireland's national police force, the Garda Siochana, said detectives were studying hours of closed-circuit TV footage to try to identify the approximately 40 people who walked out the cathedral's front doors Saturday morning.

The force said the thief may have hidden overnight in the cathedral and fled with the heart when its doors opened Saturday. Worshippers didn't spot that the relic was missing until Saturday afternoon. Nobody was arrested.

Ireland's churches have suffered a spate of such robberies of irreplaceable, but also hard to sell, religious artifacts.

Last year three relics believed to be fragments of the cross used to crucify Jesus were stolen from Holy Cross Abbey in County Tipperary. Police safely recovered those relics in January but arrested nobody.

Also in January, a thief stole the ornate container housing the jawbone of St. Brigid in a northside Dublin church. The container, called a reliquary, was bolted down to the altar. However, it had just been cleaned and so the jawbone of St. Brigid, one of Ireland's earliest and most venerated saints, wasn't inside.

O'Toole was Dublin's archbishop from 1162 to 1180 and gained a reputation as a skillful mediator between rival Gaelic and Norman factions then fighting for power in Ireland. He died aged 58 while traveling in Normandy on another peace mission. On his death bed he was said to have declined to make a will, claiming not to have a penny to his name.

Pope Honorius III canonized O'Toole in 1225 on the weight of many claims of miracles at his original grave site.

O'Toole's heart had been the last surviving part of his remains. His bones were re-interred in an English church yard in 1442 but were dug up and disappeared during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century.

Although O'Toole is mainly revered by Roman Catholics, Christ Church Cathedral has been a center of worship for the Anglican-affiliated Church of Ireland since the Reformation.

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Just how the Shroud of Turin warps the mind

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What is becoming plain in our discussion is that in making his claims, de Wesselow has done very little first-hand research himself. His contribution has to be to gather up the work of others, re-examine past investigations (he draws heavily on the digging done by British author, Ian Wilson, a key figure before the carbon-dating tests, now living in retirement in Australia), and then tease out new conclusions. He is, essentially, taking existing pieces of a jigsaw and assembling them in a new and startling pattern.

It is not a description he particularly likes when I put it to him, but neither does he substantially contradict it. Instead he admits to a dislike of the popular personal quest genre of books that walk and talk their way through whole continents attempting to solve, among other subjects, the mysterious configuration of the pyramids or the fate of Atlantis.

That always seems to me a very artificial way of going about it, says de Wesselow, whose research by contrast was largely done at his desk or in libraries, save for one episode he recounts in the book when the connection between the Shroud and Resurrection came to him in a kind of eureka moment in the garden of his Cambridge house.

Having established at least for the purposes of argument the Shroud in first century Israel, it is now time to turn to his potentially even more earth-shaking theory, namely that the Resurrection was a kind of optical illusion.

Christianity teaches that Peter, James, Thomas, Mary Magdalene and up to 500 other disciples saw Jesus in the flesh, back from the dead, in the ultimate proof that he was God. De Wesselow rejects this divine mystery in favour of something that he believes is much more plausible.

What the apostles were seeing was the image of Jesus on the Shroud, which they then mistook for the real thing. It sounds, I cant help suggesting, as absurd as a scene from a Monty Python film.

I quite understand why you say that, he replies, meeting me half way this time, but you have to think your way into the mindset of 2,000 years ago. The apostles did see something out of the ordinary, the image on the cloth.

And at that time this is something that art historians and anthropologists know about people were much less used to seeing images. They were rare and regarded as much more special than they are now.


Mystery solved? Turin Shroud linked to Resurrection of Christ
The Turin Shroud has baffled scholars through the ages but in his new book, The Sign, Thomas de Wesselow reveals a new theory linking the cloth to the Resurrection.
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Pilgrims Touch Holy Robe Jesus Reportedly Wore



Pilgrims try to touch the Holy Robe, reportedly worn by Jesus Christ, during the 20th pilgrimage in the German Cathedral of Trier on Sunday. The ancient town of Trier marks the 500th anniversary of the first public appearance of the Seamless Robe of Jesus. Some 500,000 pilgrims are expected to visit to see the relic til May 13, 2012, since its last appearance dates back to 1996.

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 05:50:01 pm »

Jesus-like shadow draws thousands of pilgrims


Many pilgrims have visited the Shrine of Our Lady of Prompt Succor at Ursuline Academy in New Orleans to see a pillar bearing what appears to be the face of Jesus. bearing a crown


Arriving steadily as singles, or in clumps of twos, threes and fours, thousands of people have streamed in and out of the dimly lighted chapel at Ursuline Academy to sit or kneel and quietly contemplate a phenomenon spreading by social media and word of mouth: a shadow, never noticed before, of a bearded man's face gazing toward the chapel altar.

The shadowy image is projected on the lower half of a sanctuary pillar, with the clear symmetry of a face, a thin beard, and something complicated going on above the forehead.

The Ursuline nuns have been forced to keep the shrine open far past its usual hours, which they are delighted to do, said Sister Carla Dolce, the head of the small community of five Ursuline nuns. Some visitors come with cameras, hoping for a picture. But most sit or kneel quietly, praying or engaging in whispered analysis of the image on the pillar.

Eight years ago a casino bid $28,000 on eBay for a grilled cheese sandwich bearing the putative image of the Virgin Mary.

In 1999, hundreds of Catholics in nearby LaPlace, La., believed a Communion wafer had visibly transformed into the flesh and blood of Christ until the Archdiocese of New Orleans determined it was mold.

Twelve years ago, 7,000 people visited a small Baptist church in Port Sulphur to view luminous crosses shining on its windows. And 10 years before that, hundreds lined up at two homes in St. Bernard to see crosses projected on bathroom windows.

The visage at Ursuline seems to be a naturally occurring shadow cast by an ornate chandelier above the sanctuary.

Many pilgrims came already knowing part of the back story, confirmed by Dolce: two weeks ago, an Ursuline student in prayer at the shrine had asked for a sign, and shortly thereafter saw the shadow she had never before noticed.

Dolce, the superior of the Ursuline community, has an explanation that threads its way between the sacred and the mundane.

"God gives us gifts. Some are natural. Some are supernatural," she said. "This is a natural gift. It's caused by light filtering through a chandelier."

"If, when we experience that image, we feel God's unconditional love for us, that's the greatest gift of all," she said.

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 05:56:11 pm »

Mark, is this "shadow image" in that picture in the post? I can't see it.

Anyhow, FWIW, I lived in New Orleans for almost 20 years, and this school(Ursuline Academy) was in my neighborhood. It's a largely Catholic metroplex with alot of Catholic schools, where most of the kids go to b/c the public schools in Orleans Parish(and to some extent Jefferson Parish) are so bad. Not that public schools should be endorsed anywhere to begin with.

Looks like the "strong delusion" is right around the corner.
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ya its on the pillar, you cant see the pic or the image?
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2012, 06:02:56 pm »

ya its on the pillar, you cant see the pic or the image?

Oh that's the image, got a better look this time!

For a minute, it looked like that image you saw in the "Predator" movies. Got a better look this time. Thanks!
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Fire in Jurez destroys church, spares Virgin of Guadalupe image



 fire destroyed a church in Jurez early Wednesday morning, but spared a Virgin of Guadalupe image, despite the fierce blaze, Jurez officials said today.

The incident took place at about 4:04 a.m. on Wednesday, at San Agustn Chapel at Paseos del Alba and Paseos del ngel Streets, Jurez Fire Department officials said.

"The fire tore down the whole church," said Cap. Martin Morales, of the Fire Department in Jurez, in a telephone interview.

But the fire spared a Virgin of Guadalupe image inside the church. The worshiped icon, 60 centimeters tall and one meter wide, was framed in wood.

The flames destroyed other images like St. Agustn and Jesus Christ, said Efrn Matamoros, Jurez Environmental Services and Civil Defense.


"We had no explanation of that," Matamoros said. "The image had no protection at all." The fire also destroyed 40 pews, frames and several icons. No one was hurt.

The damages were estimated at $10,000.

The fire was ruled accidental, due to an illegal connection to the electric poles in the area, firefighters said.

The parishioners are ready to rebuild the church, Matamoros said

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 03:43:20 pm »

Can you say "new building fund"? The thing was a complete loss, with damages of $10,000! What was that building made of, newspaper?

Now people will flock there to the "miracle picture" and make donations, rinse, repeat. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 01:56:27 pm »

Mysterious bones may belong to John the Baptist

A small handful of bones found in an ancient church in Bulgaria may belong to John the Baptist, the biblical figure said to have baptized Jesus.

There's no way to be sure, of course, as there are no confirmed pieces of John the Baptist to compare to the fragments of bone. But the sarcophagus holding the bones was found near a second box bearing the name of St. John and his feast date (also called a holy day) of June 24. Now, new radiocarbon dating of the collagen in one of the bones pegs its age to the early first century, consistent with the New Testament and Jewish histories of John the Baptist's life.

"We got some dates that are very interesting indeed," study researcher Thomas Higham of the University of Oxford told LiveScience. "They suggest that the human bone is all from the same person, it's from a male, and it has a very high likelihood of an origin in the Near East," or Middle East where John the Baptist would have lived.

Mysterious bone box

The bones were found in 2010 by Romanian archaeologists Kazimir Popkonstantinov and Rossina Kostova while excavating an old church site on the island of Sveti Ivan, which translates to St. John. The church was constructed in two periods in the fifth and sixth centuries.

Beneath the altar, the archaeologists found a small marble sarcophagus, about 6 inches (15 centimeters) long. Inside were six human bones and three animal bones. The next day, the researchers found a second box just 20 inches (50 cm) away. This one was made of volcanic rock called tuff. On it, an inscription read, "Dear Lord, please help your servant Thomas" along with St. John the Baptist's name and official church feast day.

A grotesque gift

The findings paint a story of a man named Thomas charged with bringing relics, or body parts, of St. John to the island to consecrate a new church there. It was common in the fourth and fifth centuries for wealthy patrons to pay for new churches and to gift saintly relics to the monks who staffed them, Higham told LiveScience. [8 Alleged Relics of Jesus]

"We can imagine that the construction of this church was predicated on the basis of this very important gift, perhaps from the patron to the monastery," Higham said.

The human bones in the box included a knucklebone, a tooth, part of a cranium, a rib and an ulna, or arm bone. The researchers could only date the knucklebone, because radiocarbon dating relies on organic material, and only that bone had enough collagen for a good analysis. The researchers were able to reconstruct DNA sequences from three of the bones, however, showing them to be from the same person, likely a Middle Eastern man.

"Our worry was that the remains might have been contaminated with modern DNA," study researcher Hannes Schroeder, formerly of Oxford, said in a statement. "However, the DNA we found in the samples showed damage patterns that are characteristic of ancient DNA, which gave us confidence in the results. Further, it seems somewhat unlikely that all three samples would yield the same sequence considering that they had probably been handled by different people."

Schroeder added that "both of these facts suggest that the DNA we sequenced was actually authentic."

Strangely, the three animal bones (one from a sheep, one from a cow, and one from a horse), were all about 400 years older than the human bones in the reliquary. Those three bones all seem to come from the same time and location, Higham said. They may have been placed there as a way to desecrate the human bones, he said. Or someone may have just been trying to make the bone box look a little more impressive.

"It is very curious," Higham said. [8 Grisly Archaeological Discoveries]

Elusive identification

Historical research by Oxford professor Georges Kazan suggests that relics supposedly from John the Baptist were on the move out of Jerusalem by the fourth century. Many of these artifacts were shuttled through the ancient city of Constantinople and may well have been gifted to the Sveti Ivan monastery from there.

None of this proves that the bones belonged to a historical figure named John the Baptist, but researchers haven't been able to rule out the possibility, Higham said. Their study has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, but a program detailing the research will be aired on the United Kingdom National Geographic Channel on Sunday (June 17). National Geographic funded the research.

Even if the monks of Sveti Ivan believed the bones to be St. John's, they may not have been. Fake relics were and still are common. For example, at least 30 nails have been venerated as the ones used to keep Jesus Christ on the cross (biblical scholars debate whether three or four nails would have been used). Likewise, French theologian John Calvin once noted that if all of the supposed fragments of Jesus' cross were gathered together, they'd fill a shipload. Even Joan of Arc has been the subject of forgery. A 2007 study found that alleged pieces of her body kept in a French church actually belonged to an Egyptian mummy. [9 Famous Art Forgers]

The Sveti Ivan box is not the only reliquary said to hold the remains of John the Baptist, Higham said. If the researchers are able to test other bones said to be the saint's, they could build a circumstantial case for their authenticity. Nevertheless, a positive identification will likely remain out of reach.

"Definitely proving it, I think, is going to remain ever-elusive," Higham said.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2012, 02:54:55 pm »

^^

I read this on Yahoo this morning - the "strong delusion" is getting nearer and nearer...but as for this story, sometimes you don't know whether to laugh or just let out a big *sigh*.

They found his bones in BULGARIA of all places?! Are you kidding me?! Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2012, 02:56:15 am »

Well, unless Herod let somebody take his head, along with his body, that ain't it. But it's no surprise this is tied to the RCC of the day.

"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matthew 11:11 (KJB)
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2012, 01:26:01 pm »

7/25/12

http://news.yahoo.com/crowds-flock-virgin-miracle-tree-jersey-072636975.html



Fervent Catholics in a crime-ridden New Jersey town are flocking to what they say is the miraculous apparition of the Virgin Mary's image in a tree trunk.

On Tuesday, a crowd of several dozen people stood around the tree, praying, taking photos and swapping stories of what they call a miracle.

West New York, just across the Hudson from Manhattan, has been better known for crime, a depressed economy and a mayor who along with his son faces federal computer hacking charges.

But the town's central Bergenline Avenue is now the unlikely setting for a diminutive Ginkgo biloba tree with a knot that, worshippers claim, has the form of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

The Catholic Church has distanced itself from the supposed miracle and there's no shortage of scoffers in West New York, a tough place with a high Latin American immigrant population.

Yet on a sweltering summer's day, worshipers showed no sign of losing faith.

Boisterous and implacable, they vowed to stay put until the town's troubled mayor, Felix Roque, protects the tree for good.

"We want to build a monument," said Maria Baez, 35, one of the first to announce she'd seen the Virgin at the tree and now one of the stalwarts mounting day-and-night vigils.

Already the base of the tree and an adjacent fire hydrant are draped in rosaries, votive candles, flowers and pictures celebrating Our Lady of Guadalupe, a major figure in Mexican Catholicism.

Police have erected a metal barricade around the tree and a patrol car is parked alongside to ensure safety for both crowd and tree. Roque has been quoted in the local press as saying that the town spends $1,000 a day to manage the situation.

According to Baez, the extraordinary chain of events began early on the morning of July 10, when a woman was traveling down the avenue to go to work.

"She saw a light and it was the Virgin. She went on to work, but she was frightened," Baez explained. The woman, named Carmen Lopez, tried to alert police and the mayor but received short shrift. Soon after, Baez says she experienced a similar vision.

"When I got here I saw her: she said 'I'm the Virgin,'" Baez recounted to a chorus of admiring "wows" from others gathered on the sidewalk by the tree. "I was speechless."

Since then, there've been no reported sightings of Jesus' mother herself, but the knot in the tree is said to bear an uncanny resemblance to famous pictures of the Guadalupe Virgin in her cloak.

The image is framed by an oval shaped split in the tree's bark and a dark coloring inside is said to match the shape of the cloaked figure.

Ruben Rafael, 49, recently retired from the US Navy, said this was his fifth visit to the tree.

"I was convinced," he said. "There's a lot of crime in this town. So this helps us Catholics, Christians. She's here to cure the pain in this town."

Not everyone is so believing.

Two men passing shook their heads, smiling dismissively.

"I respect every religion, but really I don't believe this at all," Ismael Garcia, a 27-year-old carpet salesman, said.

His friend, Giovanni Valenti, an assistant mechanic, 36, pointed at the parked police car and said "they should be spending this money on something else."

Valenti pointed out that many of the Ginkgo trees lining the street have splits in the bark and knots that could be imagined to represent some picture or another.

"Tons of these trees have it. It's normal for them in this climate. It's a law of physics," he said.

Standing by the tree, another man slyly pulled out a cellphone and showed a reporter a picture of a knot taken in a similar Ginkgo. The knot somewhat resembled a human face, complete with an angular nose.

But he was not ready reject the faithful crowd entirely.

"I'm a Catholic and I believe very much in the Virgin, but the picture in this knot is just a coincidence," Ed Venicio, 35, said.

"However, I believe that whether or not it's real, the important thing is that it motivates people's faith. It gets them to go back to church and remember that God exists."

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3/29/13
Shroud of Turin returns to spotlight with new pope, new app, new debate

The age-old debate over the Shroud of Turin is being resurrected this Easter thanks to the attention of a new pope, the creation of a "Shroud 2.0" app, and a new book that claims the cloth dates back to Jesus' time.

The claim immediately faced a wave of criticism, including a harsh statement from Turin's archbishop that some say has driven a stake into the book's heart.

Believers say the centuries-old shroud bears the imprint of Jesus, chemically captured in the cloth at the time of his resurrection. Skeptics say it's a cleverly done medieval fake, wrapped up in highly debatable scientific claims that just won't die.

The newly published Italian-language book "Il Mistero Della Sindone," or "The Mystery of the Shroud" recycles some of those claims, adds in some fresh results from single-fiber tests, and makes the argument that the shroud shows the difficult-to-reproduce image of a man who lived sometime between 280 B.C. and the year 220.

If that's not enough to bring the shroud back into the spotlight, there's also the news that Pope Francis, who was named to lead the Roman Catholic Church just last month, will appear on Italian TV on Holy Saturday to introduce a RAI Uno TV appearance of the shroud. "It will be a message of intense spiritual scope, charged with positivity, which will help (people) never to lose hope," the Italian ANSA news agency quoted Turin Archbishop Cesare Nosiglia as saying.

And then there's Shroud 2.0, a free app for Apple's iPad/iPhone (and soon for Android) that lets users zoom in on high-definition images of the shroud and get factoids about its history. The app is being offered by Haltadefinizione, which took photos of the relic in 2008 and collaborated with church officials on the project. Shroud 2.0 is being offered as an "evangelization tool," according to the Vatican's News.va website.

Scientific links
The Catholic Church has taken no official stand on the authenticity of the shroud, which is kept under lock and key in Turin and is only rarely brought out for public display. But over the years, some researchers have tried to show that the shroud goes back to biblical times rather than to the 14th century.

"The Mystery of the Shroud" is the latest book of this genre. It was written by journalist Saverio Gaeta and Giulio Fanti, an engineering professor at the University of Padua. Fanti is part of a controversial research group that has claimed the image on the cloth couldn't possibly have been created by natural means. The new book refers to those past claims, plus a new angle.

That angle has to do with single fibers that were purportedly vacuumed up from the shroud during scientific testing. Fanti and his colleagues put the fibers through a series of mechanical and chemical tests. "Combining the two chemical methods with the mechanical one, it results [in] a mean date of 33 B.C., with an uncertainty of plus or minus 250 years at 95 percent confidence level, that is compatible with the period in which Jesus Christ lived in Palestine," the publishers say in a news release.

Skeptical views
Fanti's claims drew a quick reaction from Joe Nickell, a research fellow at the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry who regularly counters claims from Fanti and other shroud researchers.

"As is typical of a religious rather than scientific agenda, their news was shrewdly released just in time for Easter," Nickell said in a blog posting. "That alone casts doubt on the claims, but there is more."

Nickell pointed out that Fanti's tests "involve three different procedures each with its own problems which are then averaged together to produce the result." He said that stands in contrast with 1988's mass spectrometry tests, which yielded a date range between 1260 and 1390. Fanti says those earlier tests were not "statistically reliable," but Nickell and most scientists are sticking with the verdict rendered in 1988.

As a professional skeptic, Nickell can be expected to voice doubt about the book. But criticism also came from Archbishop Nosiglia.

Because there's "no degree of security" as to the authenticity of the fiber samples, the shroud's custodians "cannot recognize any serious value to the results of these alleged experiments," Nosiglia said in a statement quoted by La Stampa's Vatican Insider. The archbishop's comments "put stakes into Fanti's work," Vatican Insider reported.

Somehow I suspect that shroud science is not truly dead, but what do you think? Feel free to weigh in with your own verdict in the comment section below.
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2013, 11:35:40 am »

http://www.webpronews.com/fabric-softener-jesus-goes-viral-after-laundry-mishap-2013-04
4/22/13
Fabric Softener Jesus Goes Viral After Laundry Mishap



Fabric Softener Jesus found his way onto a mans shirt after a laundry mishap, and now the image has gone viral.

Martin Andrews says he was doing his laundry when he accidentally spilled fabric softener on a shirt. What happened next was a miracle. Sort of.

I showed my mates at work the picture and one of them said, Ive heard you can find comfort in Jesus but youve found Jesus in Comfort! Andrews said.

The shirt was immediately transformed from a regular old piece of fabric to a cloth of divine intervention: Jesus Himself appeared in the fibers, and Andrews took a picture that has swept the web. Its a bit blotchy, but Andrews and thousands of viewers have said they can definitely make out the shape of Jesus with his arms outstretched in a welcoming gesture.

No word yet on what Andrews plans to do with the shirt.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2013, 04:19:07 am »

Florida woman finds sign from God on Goldfish cracker

Its a fishy story, but the woman telling it believes it's pure gold. The Florida resident says the markings she found on a Goldfish cracker are a direct message affirming her Christian faith.
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I believe that its a sign, a sign from God, Patti Burke told Florida Today. He is still in our life every day, and he wants to show that to his people.

It's not quite manna, but in Burke's eyes it's a manifestation of her faith.

The cracker in question has two markings, or imperfections, on its surface. Burke says the first marking is of a cross with a circle around it. The second marking, near the head of the fish, represents a golden crown.

When I picked this one up, I knew he was special, she said. Something Ive never seen before out of all the Goldfish Ive eaten.

Burke admittedly has been working from a large sample size, consuming between two and three pounds of the crackers per week. She says she eats the small crackers individually, examining each one for the optimal amount of savory coating.

Burke now carries her special cracker in an earring box padded with gauze. But she wasnt immediately convinced it was a sign from God. At first, she thought maybe she had won a special promotion from cracker manufacturer Pepperidge Farm.

They called me back and said theres no way this could have been printed like that in the factory, Burke told Florida Today. They said it sounds like something miraculous happened and we dont know how it happened.

(That comment has not been confirmed by Pepperidge Farm.)

No one can say exactly when people started seeing notable figures in their food, but its a phenomenon that has made headlines in the modern era. Last year, a Nebraska woman sold a Chicken McNugget on eBay for $8,100 after becoming convinced it contained the visage of George Washington.

After becoming convinced that the cracker in fact possessed a deeper, spiritual message, Burke brought her sign of faith to her pastor, D. Scott Worth.

I think its a sign, Worth told WKMG. I think it points to, I would hesitate to call it a miracle, but I think it points to the miracle, which is Jesus Christ defeated death. And thats what Easter is all about.

Of course, not every piece of food contains divine inspiration. Just pray you dont end up with a toaster possessed by the Devil.

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2013, 12:46:41 pm »

Well, hate to say it, but when all is said and done, she's really going to get duped...

Rev 13:11  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 06:58:41 pm »

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/22416520/do-you-believe-holy-image-appears-behind-child-battling-leukemia
Do You Believe? Holy image appears behind child battling leukemia
5/24/13

KIRTLAND, OH (WOIO) -
Believer or not, the image behind Erin Potter, a Kirtland girl battling leukemia, is stunning. It certainly stunned her mom.

"My reaction immediately, it's Mary, they hear us, she's there," Jen Potter said.

The picture of Erin, running with sparklers, was taken in her backyard by a friend just after the family learned that Erin's cancer was back, for the third time, and she was facing a second bone marrow transplant.

"I didn't necessarily see it as a sign that Erin is fine and is going to walk out of this, but it's a sign that we're watching over her," Jen added.

19 Action News has documented Erin's cancer battle before. Kevin Potter, her father, actually introduced President Obama at a campaign stop, as the president spoke of the family's fight to stay insured to keep alive the fight for Erin.

Just after the picture was taken, Erin had that transplant, and right now, she's cancer-free.

"So you guys know people are going to be skeptical and that doesn't necessarily bother you?" asked Reporter Brian Duffy. "You want people to believe whatever it is they want to believe when they see that picture."

"I know she's not alone, I know we are not alone and people who don't want to believe it, that's OK," said Kevin Potter. "Whatever happened, you know something powerful and special was there with us."

"I definitely have my moments when I'm falling apart and I'm terrified and I literally grab my phone and I stare at that picture."

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2013, 06:06:49 am »

I believe in Jesus, and I believe that still image is faked, designed to promote a lie.
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2013, 05:27:15 am »

Relics unearthed in Turkey may contain piece of Jesus' cross

Archeologists conducting excavations at the site of a church in Turkey have unearthed a stone chest containing a relic that may be part of the cross on which Jesus was crucified.
 
The items were discovered during a large-scale excavation at the Balatlar Church, which was built in A.D. 660 near the Black Sea, Today's Zaman reported.
 
Professor Glgn Kroğlu, an associate professor at Turkey's Mimar Sinan Fine Arts University and excavation leader, told the newspaper the artifacts are linked to Jesus' crucifixion.
 
"This stone chest is very important to us. It has a history and is the most important artifact we have unearthed so far, Kroğlu told the newspaper Wednesday.
 
Kroğlu told the Hurriyet Daily News the item believed to be part of Jesus' cross is the most important artifact unearthed by the European Union-funded excavation team.
 
We have been working here for four years and have found more than 2,000 skeletons. I hope this year will be a very fruitful working season for us. We have learned many things during the excavation that we did not previously know.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/08/01/relics-unearthed-in-turkey-may-be-piece-jesus-cross/?intcmp=features&utm

I dont believe ANY story that has anything to do with the Lords cross. Allready the cross id bigger than the appalation mountain range
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Vatican to display remains of St. Peter to public for first time
11/12/13
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His soul may be waiting at the gates of Heaven, but the bones of St. Peter will be on display for the first time ever later this month at the basilica that bears his name, according to the Vatican.

The beloved saint's remains, discovered during excavations of the necropolis under St. Peter's Basilica in the 1940s, have stayed below ground and out of public view since their discovery - and since Pope Paul VI vouched for their authenticity in the 1960s. But top Vatican official Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who is  president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting New Evangelization, made the announcement in Monday's LOsservatore Romano, part of News.va, the official Vatican network.

Catholic making a pilgrimage to St. Peters tomb to mark the end of the Year of Faith will enjoy the exposition ... of the relics traditionally recognized as those of the apostle who gave his life for the Lord on this spot, wrote Fisichella.

The unveiling, planned for Nov. 24, marks the first time St. Peter's remains -- discovered in the 1940s -- will be displayed for public view. Millions of pilgrims visit St. Peter's tomb each year inside the basilica named for him. Peter was the leader of Christ's 12 apostles and the first bishop and Pope of the Catholic Church.

His tomb was discovered near a monument constructed in the 4th century to honor him. The tomb is located under the altar of the Vatican basilica. Although the church never officially declared the bones authentic, archeological testing convinced Pope Paul VI they had been "identified in a way we can hold to be convincing."

Catholic belief holds that St. Peter was crucified upside at his own request, because he believed he was unworthy of being crucified in the same way as Jesus Christ. According to scripture, Jesus predicted at the Last Supper that Peter would deny being his follower three times before the next morning, a prophecy that came true much to Peter's shame.

St. Peter's role as gatekeeper to Heaven is believed to come from Matthew, Chapter 16, Verses 17-20, where Jesus is quoted as giving him the keys to Heaven.
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