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Christmas Pagan Influences

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« on: November 24, 2013, 07:41:52 am »

Just how Christian is Christmas? Not as much as you think. In fact, not much at all.
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CHRISTMAS: A Christian festival, named after Christ's mass, celebrating the birth of Jesus. Any fool knows that. Slightly more savvy people are aware that Christ wasn't born in 1 AD and know Christmas is actually a cleaned up version of old rituals. But that's not the half of it. In fact, Christmas is utterly Pagan.
For a start, there is no evidence that Christ was born at Christmas. Shepherds would not have had their flocks out in the fields in midwinter, even in Palestine. Nor would the Romans have ordered a census in the winter, the most difficult time of the year for travel.

As for the 12 days of Christmas, that's traditionally the time it took for the three wise men to arrive at the stable in Bethlehem. The fact is that the Roman celebrations around the winter solstice (December 21st), starting with the feast of Saturnalia and ending with the Sol Invictus festival, also lasted 12 days. All over the world, the solstice is connected with rebirth, so it made sense for the early Christians to tag on their own ersatz birth-celebration to one that was already around. In just about every corner of the world in nearly every group of people have a baby "saviour" in their history with the exact same situation, born near the winter solstice, born of a virgin, etc. I have a list somewhere. I'll add it when I find it. It's actually very amusing.

Since we're on this topic, I have more to add. The Bible depicts the account of three wise men from the east who followed a star to Bethlehem bearing gift for the baby Jesus. The truth is that the Bible contains none of these details. They have all been added over the years from sources outside the Bible. Matthew 2:1 tells us, "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the King, behold, there were wise men from the east to Jerusalem..." That's it. It doesn't say how many wise men, does not mention their names or provide any details of how they got there.(camels?)These men may have made their journey from the east on foot for all we know.

It's generally assumed that the wise men(magi)were three in number because Matthew 2:11 mentions three gifts, gold, frankincense and myrrh. The number of the wise men is not specified in the Bible. There is no Biblical source to depict these men as kings. They were most likely learned men, perhaps astrologers. That's why they were headed toward that star when they ran into the baby Jesus who had just been born in Bethlehem.

The wise men were invited "into the house", not a stable. Why? Because in those days people kept their animals in the house to stay warm. There simply were no stables in those days. As for the manger, they didn't have those either for many centuries. Poor baby Jesus was probably just laying on a pile of hay.

Let's talk Santa Claus. "Santa Claus" is "Saint Nicholas" mispronounced. Saint Nick is the patron saint of children-as well as merchants and pawnbrokers, which seem rather apt. So how did Saint Nick, who lived in Turkey, end up at the North Pole, driving a sleigh full of reindeer?
It's claimed that part of the story goes back to the Norse god Odin, who also gave cash to the poor, and who used to ride across the sky. And there's Cernunnos, the Horned God who led the Wild Hunt, chasing souls through the night sky. Or Freya, another Norse deity, who was supposed to spend the twelve days after the winter solstice driving a chariot pulled by stags, giving presents to the good and punishing the ...well, the naughty. Whichever of the ancient legends you choose, one thing's for sure: Father Christmas is as Pagan as they come!

He first appeared as a fat bearded guy in a fur coat in a poem written in 1822 by Clement Moore and a picture drawn by Thomas Nast in 1860- up to then he'd been anything from a skinny elf to a thinly disguised version of Cernunnos dressed in green. When in 1931 the Coca Cola company wanted a figure to represent their drink around the world, they commissioned artist Haddon Sunblum to paint a fat, jolly, human Santa in their corporate colors of red and white, and the rest is history (and marketing).
But red and white is also the colour of the fly agaric mushroom, a powerful hallucinogen from northern Europe, where it's a favourite food of reindeer. It used to be a big part of pre-Christian shamanic rituals, and is said to have formed from the specks of blood and spittle that fell from the mouth of Odin's horse as he galloped on (ta daaaa!) the winter solstice! And Christmas poet Clement Moore was an expert on European folklore. That's no coincidence.

Christmas was never a celebration of Christ's birth - there's nothing in the Bible to say that Christ's birth should be celebrated at all, and it wasn't until 375 AD that the Church fixed it's date. Instead, it was a way of twisting old beliefs to Christianity's advantage, making more converts for what was then the new faith on the block. Roman historians realised this: in 230 AD Tertullian wondered why the Christians were so willing to dilute their beliefs with Pagan "superstitions".

Don't take my word for all this. Get out there and investigate.

Christmas Traditions: the shocking truth!

MISTLETOE: Has no Christian significance. It's an ancient Druid fertility symbol, and people used it to do a lot more than kiss under it. *wink*

HOLLY: Supposedly something to do with Christ's crown of thorns, but in fact a lot more to do with the god Saturn and the old Pagan Holly King.

CHRISTMAS TREES: Evergreen trees were a potent symbol of life in the dark winter days. Decorating them was a way of making offerings to the tree's spirit. Thank the Norse tradition for this.

PRESENTS: From the Roman feast of Saturnalia, integrated into Xmas in 375 AD when the church first set Christ's birthday as December 25th. (incorrectly, I might add)

YULE LOGS: A Scandanavian tradition, where an oak log was kept burning for 12 days, and a piece of it saved to light the next year's log. "Yule" is named after Ullr, the Norse god of winter.

BOOZE: the old Greeks celebrated the death and rebirth of Dionysus, the god of wine and wild revelry, for 12 days at the winter solstice. Dionysus's parents were Zeus and Hera. When he was killed by the Titans, he was brought back to life and ascended to Mount Olympus.

Remind you of anyone?

One last thing, for those of you who feel bad about using the X in Xmas instead of saying Christmas, listen up. Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (eks mas). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas. Now you know the truth.

Happy Yule!!!

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