Mormons as President

[Mark]

Monday, December 19, 2011 at 1:10PM NOTRadio
Today's Show:  UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

Today, Chris talks about the upcoming Presidential election, the candidates, and what Bible-believing Christians should keep in mind when deciding who to vote for.  Chris discusses Mitt Romney's Mormonism, and certain pastors, such as Joel Osteen, compromising their faith to accomodate others' beliefs.  Learn more about several of the candidates through the eyes of a Christian voter.

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_Upcoming.Presidential.Election_12.19.11.mp3

[Mark]

Franklin Graham: Romney's Mormonism Doesn't Bother Me
http://www.christianpost.com/news/franklin-graham-romneys-mormonism-doesnt-bother-me-65240/

Frank bothers me, on more than 1 thing.

Chuck Colson: Stop Quibbling Over Romney's Mormonism
http://www.christianpost.com/news/chuck-colson-stop-quibbling-over-romneys-mormonism-58555/

How about we Quibble over your stuff?  thats quite easy, real easy infact.

A Christian cannot support a Mormon for anything! Come on man! They think Jesus is the brother of Satan and they live on the planet Kolob.

[Kilika]

Yeah, it's crazy isn't it? A fake Christian supporting a false Christian! Talk about the blind leading the blind.

[Psalm 51:17]

Franklin Graham: Romney's Mormonism Doesn't Bother Me
http://www.christianpost.com/news/franklin-graham-romneys-mormonism-doesnt-bother-me-65240/

Frank bothers me, on more than 1 thing.

Like father, like son...shouldn't be surprised he picked up Billy's bad habits.

A few years ago I read Franklin's "Rebel with a Cause". Didn't know the Grahams were wolves at the time(they made one last "crusade" in New Orleans b/c of Katrina, so got their books for free at my church then), anyhow - Franklin detailed his friend and co-worker Bob Pierce's bad tempermental habits. Pierce had so much anger, that he would go as far as blowing a gasket at a waitress in a restaurant.

First off, just to point out, Pierce was the head of Samaritan's Purse, which was given over the Franklin after Pierce's death. Anyhow, when I think about it now, why in the world did Franklin wait to write about Pierce's tempermental weaknesses until WELL AFTER his death? I don't know if Pierce/Samaritan's Purse were wolves/NWO to begin with(although they have a board of directors), but IMHO, it sure sounded like Franklin was trying to justify how it's OK for Christians to live in their sins like Pierce did with his anger, and still have eternal life b/c of all his good evangelizing while on earth.

I mean it wasn't like Pierce showed this behavior to his coworkers. This is very bad too, but to blow a gasket at a waitress in a public restaurant, when you're known to be an evangelist, is MUCH WORSE. Pierce should known better that we are known by our fruit.

But like said, the Grahams are wolves, and this whole scenerio could very well be made up and/or Pierce and Samaritans Purse were NWO to begin with.

[Mark]

2011: The year Mormonism went mainstream

Something happened to Mormons in 2011: They got popular, gained cachet and became, well, cool.

Long thought of as outsiders, followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are enjoying a newfound acceptability and their church’s profile has risen in politics, theatre and sports.

“This is really a wonderful American story,” says Jon Butler, a professor of religious history at Yale University. “Mormons were always seen as very different. Now they’ve become just other Christians. They’ve become as interesting as Presbyterians.

“[In 2011] people began to say, ‘We have something to learn from these Mormons.’ ”

It’s a long way from the religion’s violent beginnings near Rochester, N.Y., in the 1820s. Mormons were subjected to some of the worst religious persecution in the nation’s history. Violence against Mormons was so severe in Illinois, Ohio and Missouri that in the 1840s the leadership marched 80,000 of the faithful to the wastelands of Utah in the dead of winter just to put distance between its adherents and their enemies. Nearly 6,000 Mormons died along the way.

Over the years, despite Mormons being patriotic, exemplary citizens and entrepreneurs, many Americans harboured lingering suspicions that polygamy — disavowed by the leadership in the early 1900s — was still practised and that the church was more of a cult than another branch of Christianity or even a true religion.

As recently as 2008 when Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, ran for the Republican nomination, most pollsters suggested his religion would be held against him. Too many voters in that year’s general election — which elected the first black president — could not fathom putting a Mormon in the White House, they said.

Now, with former Utah governor John Huntsman in the race, two Mormons are seeking the country’s highest office, something never seen before.

Earlier this year, Joanna Brooks, who runs the website Ask Mormon Girl, said if the low-key Mr. Romney were not a Mormon there would actually be nothing interesting about him.

Last month, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found there was still a suspicion about Mormons among roughly a quarter of American evangelicals, who do not think of Mormonism as Christian. However, Pew also said: “There is no evidence that Romney’s Mormon faith would prevent rank-and-file Republicans, including white evangelicals, from coalescing around him if he wins the GOP nomination.”

In March, Brigham Young University, a private Mormon school in Utah, became the darling of the annual NCAA college basketball tournament known to millions as March Madness. The school’s starting guard, James Taft “Jimmer” Fredette, won numerous awards for his heroics on the court, including the prestigious John R. Wooden national player of the year award.

Scott Lambson, of the online sports magazine Bleacher Report, called Mr. Fredette “the greatest Mormon missionary in the world.”

“[H]e is certainly a man that is generating a lot of attention about his Mormon faith, and he seems to be handling himself just fine with the millions of curious onlookers asking questions about him and his religion.

“Other than maybe Mitt Romney, I don’t know of a more popular Mormon right now than Jimmer.”

But BYU also was honoured in a different way.

As a Mormon school, it has a strict code of moral conduct. And unlike most U.S. universities, which put sports above all else, BYU takes that code seriously. Just prior to the NCAA tournament, it suspended star player Brandon Davies for breaking the school’s honour code for having sex with his girlfriend.

The reaction from sports writers was mainly one of admiration. In a world in which winning is everything and rules are meant to be broken, BYU stuck to its principles.

But perhaps the greatest cultural breakthrough came on New York City’s Broadway with the opening of the musical satire The Book of Mormon in March. The writers were best known for the creation of the animated comedy South Park, so there was ample reason for Mormons to be concerned about being mocked.

The play follows two young Mormons as they fulfill their obligatory mission in Uganda.

It was not only a smash hit but also Mormons found reasons to be pleased — a rare joining of two different worlds in the popular culture.

“I was prepared for scatological humor, generous doses of the F word, and off-colour bawdiness — this is South Park without network censorship, remember? — but I wasn’t prepared for my Mormon faith to be lampooned with any sensitivity,” wrote Jana Reiss, a Mormon, on Beliefnet.com. “I was happy to be wrong.… It is an honour to be thus lampooned.”

http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/12/26/2011-the-year-mormonism-went-mainstream/

[Psalm 51:17]

A couple of years ago when a friend brought up Mormonism to me, I commented to him that they believe Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. He responed, "Where did you hear think junk?!".

Yeah, 20-30 years ago when I was a young boy, Mormonism was not only condemned by the Christian church, but even the secular world abhored it. Now? It seems like EVERYONE is acceptable to everyone's eyes.

A couple of months ago when one of my dad's Mormon co-workers came by to eat with us in the cafeteria, it got to a point where he started to talk about his Mormon faith, that I just quietly left the table for a few minutes to watch a football game in the back room to avoid this chatter. Yeah, I know I left one unfruitful fellowship to be with idolatry, but still had to flee away.

But yeah, it's gotten so bad that today's "church" is willing to accept anything as good, b/c as long as we "love God"(whether or not we believe in evolution, New Age, etc), everything will be all good, right?

[Psalm 51:17]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/why-didn-t-2012-candidates-attack-mitt-romney-151802358.html

1/3/12

Why didn’t any of the 2012 candidates attack Mitt Romney in Iowa?

DES MOINES, Iowa--Mitt Romney has long been considered the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, but if he wins Iowa's caucuses on Tuesday, it will be partly because of one extraordinary fact: Not one of his Republican rivals ran a negative TV ad against him in the state.
 
Sure, Romney was sometimes mentioned in the onslaught of attack ads that swept Iowa airwaves in the final days of the campaign. Ron Paul ran a television ad trashing Romney and Newt Gingrich as members of the status quo who won't bring the leadership necessary to really change Washington. And Make Us Great Again, a super PAC backing Rick Perry's candidacy, ran ads that took aim at Romney and Gingrich, questioning their conservative credentials.
 
But none of Romney's 2012 rivals ran an ad solely taking on the former Massachusetts governor—a sign that they perhaps underestimated his rise in Iowa.
 
Just 20 percent of the negative ads airing in Iowa targeted Romney, even as part of an attack on multiple candidates, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group. By comparison, 45 percent of the negative spots went after Gingrich—a statistic that explains, in part, why the former House speaker's poll numbers in the state plunged in the final days of the campaign.

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[Kilika]

They had their marching orders I suspect.

[Psalm 51:17]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I understand this correctly(I believe it was from CNN), Paul's votes ended up getting potential Santorum's votes?

Again, not that I support any of them, but I find this interesting - if this is indeed the case, then if Paul hadn't been in there, Santorum who knows would have ran away with Iowa, and ultimately maybe the GOP nom. But instead, Iowa looks like a very 2-man tight race that's too close to call b/w Santorum and Romney.

Yeah, seems like they're doing all they can to elect Romney.

[Mark]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I understand this correctly(I believe it was from CNN), Paul's votes ended up getting potential Santorum's votes?

Again, not that I support any of them, but I find this interesting - if this is indeed the case, then if Paul hadn't been in there, Santorum who knows would have ran away with Iowa, and ultimately maybe the GOP nom. But instead, Iowa looks like a very 2-man tight race that's too close to call b/w Santorum and Romney.

Yeah, seems like they're doing all they can to elect Romney.

Romney seems to be the media darling. I dont know about the vote stealing. Paul isnt a republican nor a conservative. And most of his votes came from first time voters, meaning independents and liberals that switched. So hes an insider, been one for years.

[Psalm 51:17]

Romney seems to be the media darling. I dont know about the vote stealing. Paul isnt a republican nor a conservative. And most of his votes came from first time voters, meaning independents and liberals that switched. So hes an insider, been one for years.

They also said Paul is VERY popular among college voters - yeah, the same college campuses that are infiltrated with liberal/socialist ideology...odd how it's these same college campuses that are now being swayed to support a "patriot" and an "anti-Fed Reserve" like Ron Paul.

I'm not trying to belittle young college students or anything, but the youth are the most easy to deceive. I myself was once in their shoes, and I was one of those "simple" minded who got swayed by just about everything I heard. It looks like the Ron Paul kool-aid has also infiltrated college campuses as well.

[Psalm 51:17]

Especially considering SC is THE hotbed for evangelical voters, this says ALOT!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-opens-major-lead-south-carolina-182157407.html

Mitt Romney opens a major lead in South Carolina

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire—Until recently, Mitt Romney had invested little time or effort in South Carolina, focusing instead on states like New Hampshire and Florida in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination. But it may not matter.
 
A new CNN/Time Magazine poll of likely Republican voters in the state finds the former Massachusetts governor with a nearly 20-point lead over his closest rival, Rick Santorum. According to the poll, Romney now leads in the state with 37 percent support, a 17-point jump since last month.
 
That's a major boost for Romney, who until recently had just three staffers in the state. But Romney has been picking up steam: Last month, he garnered the endorsement of Gov. Nikki Haley, and some of his former consultants--including Warren Tompkins, one of the state's most prominent GOP strategists--have rejoined Romney's campaign in recent days.
 
If Romney wins New Hampshire—and judging by the polls here, he's in good shape—a victory in South Carolina would make the ex-governor very hard to beat heading into rest of the primaries. But Romney's rivals won't make it easy.

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