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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 05:10:16 am »

They did not get rid of the "Posse Comitatus Act". A constitutional convention is required to do that. That reporter is completely wrong. The Constitution has not been changed. What has been done is laws have been passed that disregard the Constitution.
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 08:07:35 am »

They did not get rid of the "Posse Comitatus Act". A constitutional convention is required to do that. That reporter is completely wrong. The Constitution has not been changed. What has been done is laws have been passed that disregard the Constitution.

I understand what you're saying - however, which is worse...laws that have been passed that disregard the Constitution which is what happened, or getting rid of the "Posse Comitatus Act"?
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 03:45:51 pm »

Well, putting it that way, I'd have to say if under the choice of getting rid of the Act by constitutional convention, yet abide by the Constitution, I'd say the latter is better, as it would be following the Constitution as designed.

Though Washington is trying to give the impression through the media, and has passed laws, you cannot legally get rid of the Act by passing other laws. It must be through a constitutional convention to amend the constitution.

I think to pass laws that are unconstitutional, or are designed to circumvent the Constitution is far worse, because it shows no regard for the rule of law, which is what the Constitution is based on. If your not going to work the system the way it is designed, there is no reason for the system. It will collapse, so by passing these laws that really need a solid constitutional challenge, and not challegning them in court, they become assumed as constitutional, and over time people start acting based on an unconstitutional law. It's a psych game as much as anything.

The thing is people think because a bill is signed into law, that it must be legal, constitutional. And it will be treated as such till it's legally challenged in a court of law. But then one might wonder how much good it does to challenge when the Supreme Court has a judge that discourages the use of the US Constitution as a government model to follow.

It's unfortunate, but I really think the US government is not even really bothering to hide having totally sold out to the NWO.
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2012, 02:19:37 pm »

OK, I have this one more question...

cold fusion posted this one post over on PPF talking about 501c3, and how churches NEVER had to incorporate to begin with as they're exempt from taxation to begin with. Here's one thing I don't understand - I thought non-501c3s do not allow their pews to write off their deductions on their taxes, but the post CF posted said they can b/c they're exempt from taxation anyways?

Then why in the world did these churches incorporate to begin with, if they had the same benefits already as a non-501c3 Huh
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2012, 04:57:18 am »

I do remember something about that. There is some kind of existing status for churches that classifies them tax-exempt without filing 501c3.

So I guess the answer is that they have been duped. I personally see it as a situation where a group of Christians don't have to apply for anything, taxes or not. It's all about tax money/tribute that they even apply for a tax status, because of greed. And the "system" only recognizes those who got a degree from a recognized seminary school, and in those schools they teach their children of hell how to scam the public and the government on tax money as a "non-profit".
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2012, 09:41:34 am »

I do remember something about that. There is some kind of existing status for churches that classifies them tax-exempt without filing 501c3.

So I guess the answer is that they have been duped. I personally see it as a situation where a group of Christians don't have to apply for anything, taxes or not. It's all about tax money/tribute that they even apply for a tax status, because of greed. And the "system" only recognizes those who got a degree from a recognized seminary school, and in those schools they teach their children of hell how to scam the public and the government on tax money as a "non-profit".

I think I remember this from a Johnson teaching, how a 501c3 entity HAS to have a "seminary" degree "preacher".

I think the whole "network" of wolves is making much more sense now.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2012, 06:46:44 am »

Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren't taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:

Ignorance ("We didn't know any better")
Bandwagon logic ("Everyone else is doing it")
Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)
Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let's turn to what the IRS itself has to say.

Churches Need Not Apply
In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:

Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:
Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).
Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”
According to IRS Code § 508(c)(1)(A):

Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.
(a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) status.
(c) Exceptions.
(1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to—
(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.
This is referred to as the "mandatory exception" rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”

Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Deductible”
And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is no! According to IRS Publication 526:

Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions
You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS.
In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible.”

Churches Have a Mandatory Exception To Filing Tax Returns
Not only is it completely unnecessary for any church to seek 501c3 status, to do so becomes a grant of jurisdiction to the IRS by any church that obtains that State favor. In the words of Steve Nestor, IRS Sr. Revenue Officer (ret.):

"I am not the only IRS employee who’s wondered why churches go to the government and seek permission to be exempted from a tax they didn’t owe to begin with, and to seek a tax deductible status that they’ve always had anyway. Many of us have marveled at how church leaders want to be regulated and controlled by an agency of government that most Americans have prayed would just get out of their lives. Churches are in an amazingly unique position, but they don’t seem to know or appreciate the implications of what it would mean to be free of government control."
from the Forward of In Caesar's Grip, by Peter Kershaw

http://hushmoney.org/501c3-facts.htm
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2012, 05:21:18 pm »

Well, there you go! Any questions class?  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2012, 12:35:25 pm »

Recently Dallas Baptist Seminary President Chuck Swindoll said churches *should* incorporate as 501c3.

In light of what we read here the last week or so, if this isn't pure wickedness, then we don't know what is.

With that being said, with all the Masonic/Jesuit infiltration of all these "denominations" over the last 100 or so years, maybe it was their influence that got these churches to incorporate from the get-go. No, not saying it was this alone, but when you give your pearl to swine, don't expect it to be kept spotless clean.
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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 04:17:51 pm »

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6 (KJB)
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2012, 09:21:22 pm »

http://nation.foxnews.com/separation-church-and-state/2012/04/23/proposed-law-would-force-churches-host-gay-weddings

Lawmakers: Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

By Todd Starnes
 
Religious liberty groups are blasting a proposed ordinance that would force churches in Hutchinson, Kan. to rent their facilities for gay weddings and gay parties.
 
The Hutchinson City Council will consider adding sexual orientation and gender identity to the protected classes in the city’s human relations code. They are expected to vote on the changes next month.
 
According to the Hutchinson Human Relations Commission, churches that rent out their buildings to the general public would not be allowed to discriminate “against a gay couple who want to rent the building for a party.”
 
Meryl Dye, a spokesperson for the Human Relations Commission confirmed to Fox News that churches would be subjected to portions of the proposed law.


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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2012, 03:34:05 pm »

Well then, stop renting out their facilities to the genral public! They want the world's cash, but don't expect to abide by the world's ways. Hypocrites. That's what they get when they do business with the world, like out of greed signing up to be a "non-profit" wink wink.  Roll Eyes
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Notice all the catholics...  Huh

'War' promised if IRS attacks church speech
Dispute erupts when bishop criticizes assault on religious liberties


While a group that opposes expressions of Christianity in public forums wants the IRS to use its formidable power to crack down on what pastors say, one legal foundation says, “Bring it on,” promising a “legal war” if churches are attacked on such issues.

Americans United for the Separation of Church and State Executive Director Barry Lynn recently wrote a letter to the IRS demanding help in quashing the speech of a leader in the Roman Catholic Diocese in Peoria, Ill.

The April 19 letter calls a recent homily given by Bishop Daniel Jenky a violation of IRS regulations relating to the tax-exempt status of the church, because Jenky cited atrocities of past governments, specifically naming Hitler and Stalin, and then cited the failings of the Obama administration.

The homily was also reprinted in the Catholic Post, and urged Catholics to stand by their religious convictions, even outside the walls of the church.

“Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services, and health care,” he said.

“In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama – with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path,” the homily says.

The homily included the plea, “Now things have come to such a pass in America that this is a battle that we could lose, but before the awesome judgment seat of Almighty God this is not a war where any believing Catholic may remain neutral.”

Jenky even included a dire prediction for the nation if Catholics don’t stand by their convictions.

“This fall, every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences, or by the following fall our Catholic schools, our Catholic hospitals, our Catholic Newman centers, all of our public ministries – only excepting our church buildings – could easily be shut down.

“Because no Catholic institution, under any circumstance, can ever cooperate with the intrinsic evil of killing innocent human life in the womb,” he said.

He was opposing the Obamacare mandate that employers, including schools, hospitals and others, pay for abortions for employees.

American’s United tells the IRS that this homily puts the Catholic bishop afoul of the law, and demands that an investigation of the priest be undertaken.

In the letter to the IRS, AU says in part, “Bishop Jenky compared Obama to Hitler and Stalin and accused him of pursuing policies that will close Catholic institutions.

“Moments later he exhorted members of his flock not to vote for candidates who fail to uphold Catholic values.

“It is impossible to interpret this as anything but a command to vote against Obama,” Lynn said.

The Thomas More Society says that the law and the Bill of Rights is on the bishop’s side, and promises a “free and aggressive legal defense to any religious leaders targeted or victimized for the robust exercise of their free speech rights.”

“The Internal Revenue Service has no legal right to investigate, let alone threaten or penalize the Catholic Diocese of Peoria for illegal ‘electioneering’ after Bishop Daniel Jenky, C.S.C., referred to policies of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin while delivering a robust, wholly legitimate critique of current federal efforts to quash and curtail religious liberties,” says Thomas Brejcha, president of the Thomas More Society.

“References to egregious, historical mistakes on the part of political leaders of the past in messages to congregations, even in an election year, are fully protected by the First Amendment, whether those messages are delivered from the pulpit or on soap boxes in the public square,” he continued.

“We think the law is very clear,” said Brejcha.

“Well-settled federal law does not prohibit churches and other tax-exempt non-profits from speaking out against government policies at odds with the common good or – as in this case – constitutionally obnoxious.”

“Where would the civil rights movement have been were it not for the courage of those of our religious leaders who spoke truth to power on behalf of the disenfranchised?” Brejcha added.

“When Bishop Jenky said, ‘…every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences…,’ he’s simply telling people that their religious convictions and values matter outside the church walls,” said Brejcha.

Twice recently the Thomas More Society has faced down the IRS on behalf of religious groups. The society said one case was when the IRS was holding up approval of the Coalition for Life of Iowa’s request for tax-exempt status, while simultaneously pressing its pro-life members to stop conducting prayer vigils outside a Planned Parenthood abortion facility in Iowa City.

“After TMS challenged the IRS’s legal position, the service’s demands to stop the picketing were suddenly dropped and the Coalition promptly received IRS approval for tax-exempt status,” the organization reported.

In another case the group challenged the IRS for “highly improper demands” made by the agency about prayer vigils conducted by the Christian Voices for Life.

Upon being challenged, the agency backed down.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/war-promised-if-irs-attacks-church-speech/?cat_orig=politics

I just want to say something about the Thomas More, you see his name all the time about dealing with Christian legal issues, like the Thomas More law center and Thomas More Society, well Thomas More was a catholic, a hard core catholic the murdered Christans by burning them on a stake in England. He hated William Tyndale and was number one on his list of people to kill. Just saying...
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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2012, 01:17:28 pm »

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 (KJB)
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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2012, 01:22:03 pm »

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 (KJB)

Yep, the beauty of this verse is that you do NOT need a judge, a jury panel, and a couple of attorneys(or the "Dream Team" OJ had) to try the spirits to see if they are of God, b/c the Lord gave us his WRITTEN WORD.

1Co_6:12  All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2012, 11:11:37 pm »

Pastor Greg Dixon - Trail of Blood Video

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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2012, 10:16:26 am »

FYI, some of our "early bible scholars" like Matthew Henry and John Wesley were licensed preachers. Yes, Henry got a license to preach from the England government. I have Henry's commentary - overall, it's pretty solid, but his end times escatology was pretty wacked and didn't make sense, b/c he had the A-Mill view(where the church replaced Israel and went through a tribulation of 2000 years). For the most part, his interpretation of Revelation and Daniel was symbolic, and left scratching your head.

And I'm under the impression that Spurgeon was also a licensed preacher, although I'm not sure. He was a salaried preacher to boot.

John Bunyan was NOT a licensed preacher, and look at the persecution that he faced(spent like 15 years in jail for refusing so).

Not that Henry, Wesley and Spurgeon was loved of this world, but nonetheless neither suffered much persecution, and are well respected among the seminaries and the modern-day church. Bunyan? Nah, not so much buzz.

Another bad fruit of the modern-day church is their refusal to believe end times escatology is futurisitic - neither Henry, Wesley, nor Spurgeon believed in a futuristic end times escatology, and neither does the modern-day 501c3 pastor. Connect the dots.
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501(c)3 and the Prostitution of American Churches

http://brie-hoffman.hubpages.com/hub/5013c-and-the-Prostitution-of-American-Churches
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This document originated from a local church. It’s edited for anonymity. I asked about 501c3 years ago. They acted like they’d never heard of it. This is the first time I’ve seen this in writing.

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ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION OF <CHURCH NAME>

1. Name: The name of this corporation shall be <church name>.

2. Period of Duration: The duration of the existence of the corporation shall be perpetual.

3. Purpose: The corporation is organized exclusively for religious purposes. The purpose for which it is formed is for the assembling of believers in Christ Jesus for religious worship, for the promotion of scriptural holiness, and for-the spreading of the Gospel by the preaching of the Word and by personal testimony.

No part of the net earnings of the corporation shall inure to the benefit of any officer of the corporation, or any private individual (except that reasonable compensation may be paid for services rendered to or for the corporation affecting one or more of its purposes), and no officer of the corporation, or any private individual shall be entitled to share in the distribution of any of the corporate assets on dissolution of the corporation. No substantial part of the activities of the corporation shall be the Carrying on of propaganda, or otherwise attempting to influence legislation, and the corporation shall not participate in, or intervene in (including the publication or distribution of statements) any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office.

Notwithstanding any other provision of these articles, the corporation shall not conduct or carry on any activities not permitted to be conducted or carried on by an organization exempt under Section 501 (c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code and its Regulations as they now exist or as they may hereafter be amended, or by an organization contributions to which are deductible under Section 170 (c) (2) of such Code and Regulations as they now exist or as they may hereafter be amended.

4. Name and Address of Registered Agent: The name of the registered agent is <edited> and the address of the registered agent <edited>.

5. Names and Addresses of current Church Board:
<list edited>

6. Members: Only believers in full communion shall be members. See Article VI.
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By-Laws of <Church Name> Revised & Approved by Membership Vote on <date>.

7. Disillusionment: Upon the dissolution of the corporation or the, winding up its affairs, the assets of the Corporation shall its be distributed exclusively to charitable, religious, scientific, literary, or educational organizations which would then qualify under the provisions of Section, 501 (c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code and its Regulations as they now exist or as they may hereafter be amended. The distribution shall be at the discretion of the Trustees and Church Board with approval of Church membership.

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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2012, 10:59:24 am »

^^

Good find! Notice how they use the word "propaganda" when they describe over what they can't do - cannot influence legislation means carrying on of propaganda Huh Roll Eyes

It's pretty obvious that the IRS is telling them that their 1st ammendment rights are stripped. As for politically intervening on behalf of endorsing political candidates, personally, this I don't find this biblical(especially b/c 99% of candidates out there serve Satan). But STILL, there's no denying their 1st ammendment constitutional rights are being stripped right under their noses. As for influencing legislation, yeah, I do find this biblical on the contrary(ie-churches should speak out against abortion, sodomy, and gambling).
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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2012, 07:09:23 pm »

OK, this may be just a tad bit-off topic, but somewhat related...

Got this in email(from Scott's mailing list - saw this link on one of the links he put in there). This one's a good one exposing Chuck Missler and how alot of these "discernment ministries" have not said one word about Missler.(Missler has close ties with Rome, but will discuss this in its appropriate thread)

Link: http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2012/04/satanic-cover-up-of-chuck-missler.html

Anyhow, pt being that while I've followed some of these discernment ministries(Lighthouse Trails, Worldview Weekend, Noise of Thunder, Let us Reason, Roger Oakland, and others listed on there), and while they've done a wonderful job for the most part exposing the New Age, Postmodern Emergent Church, at the same time, it's as if they have no discernment on the BIG issues - the perverted bible versions like the NIV, and most of all 501c3.

If these ministries are exposing Rome like they say they are, then they should very well know that 501c3 is a church/state entity, which is exactly how the Roman Catholic Church system has been setup from the get-go. They should also very well know that the RCC has their fingerprints on the NIV and the other non-KJV bibles.
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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-calls-pastors-explain-gay-marriage-support-black-151738220.html
Well, they ARE 501c3s...

Obama calls pastors to explain gay marriage support; black churches ‘conflicted' by president's decision

After making his historic remarks on same-sex unions last week, President Barack Obama led a conference call with black church pastors to explain his support for gay marriage, the New York Times reports. The call, which was held with "eight or so African-American ministers," occurred about two hours after the president's interview with ABC's Robin Roberts.
 
Obama explained to them that he struggled with the decision, pastors on the call told the paper, but several voiced their disapproval.
 
"They were wrestling with their ability to get over his theological position," the Rev. Delman Coates, a Maryland pastor who was on the call, told the Times.
 
The conference call was part of a quiet effort by the president to control potential political damage caused by his support of same-sex marriage.
 
According to the Times, Obama phoned "at least one [the Rev. Joel C. Hunter] of the five spiritual leaders he calls regularly for religious guidance, and his aides contacted other religious figures who have been supportive in the past."
 
Hunter, the pastor of a conservative megachurch, said he wasn't surprised Obama didn't ask him advice before the ABC interview because "I would have tried to talk him out of it."
 
At services on Sunday, black churches were conflicted about President Obama's support of gay marriage, according to the USA Today:

Some churches were silent on the issue. At others, pastors spoke against the president's decision Wednesday--but kindly of the man himself. A few blasted the president and his decision. A minority spoke in favor of the decision and expressed understanding of the president's change of heart.
 
Bishop Timothy Clark, head of the First Church of God, a large African-American church with a television ministry in Columbus, Ohio, was perhaps most typical. He felt compelled to address the president's comments at a Wednesday evening service and again Sunday morning. He was responding to an outpouring of calls, e-mails and text messages from members of his congregation after the president's remarks.
 
What did he hear from churchgoers? "No church or group is monolithic. Some were powerfully agitated and disappointed. Others were curious. 'Why now? To what end?' Others were hurt. And others, to be honest, told me it's not an issue and they don't have a problem with it."
 
What did the bishop tell his congregation? He opposes gay marriage. It is not just a social issue, he said, but a religious one for those who follow the Bible. "The spiritual issue is ground in the word of God." That said, "I believe the statement the president made and his decision was made in good faith. I am sure because the president is a good man. I know his decision was made after much thought and consideration and, I'm sure, even prayer."

 
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« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2012, 11:42:40 pm »

In an unprecedented move this week, the Norwegian Parliament voted unanimously to abolish the national Church. Considering that 72% of the population (3.6 million people) are non-believers, it may not be a very surprising move, but it’s still noteworthy.

Before the parade starts, though, it turns out that this isn’t a complete separation of the two entities as was initially reported.

The country used to financially support the church and participated in selecting certain church officials — this new step will remove the government from that process while retaining some funding to the church.

According to the Norwegian Humanist Association’s website, this is only the first step in complete church and state separation. Up until now, all citizens who were baptized in Norway were automatically members of the Church of Norway despite a staggeringly low regular church attendance rate of 2%.

This amendment  will start with the following steps:

    The Lutheran Church of Norway will be renamed The People’s Church

    Norway will no longer have an official national religion

    The government will no longer participate in the appointment of bishops and deans

    There will no longer be a requirement for parliamentary officials to be members of the Lutheran Church

The following things will not be changed:

    The church tax will remain in place (although a small portion will be going to humanist organizations)

    A church office will remain in the government, headed up by a minister

After reading through kirken.no (the former Church of Norway’s official site) it sounds like it was an amiable split. The fact that the state is still funding the church is justified as follows:

    “… The Committee notes that the constitutional changes resulting from the settlement the church intends to clarify the Norwegian churches free position as religious communities. This means that the religious activities of the church will no longer be the state’s task. However, it is government’s task to support the church as a religious community, and to support other religious and philosophical alike. The Committee endorses the understanding that the changes represent a new basis for the development of the Norwegian Church as an independent religious communities. The Committee would also emphasize the importance of establishing security for the changes contribute to the preservation of the Norwegian Church’s mission to be an open, inclusive and democratic national church.”

So there is still some intermingling, but it sounds like they are off to a better start to a beautiful, secular future.


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Odd to say, but this isn't a bad thing - Caesar funding a church is NOT a good thing, period.
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« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2012, 04:17:31 pm »

Holder to brief black pastors on campaign 2012

Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election -- which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama's campaign.

"We will have representatives from nine denominations who actually pastor somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 million people, and we're going to first of all equip them with the information they need to know about what they can say and what they cannot say in the church that would violate their 501c3 status with the IRS," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., told MSNBC today.

"In fact, we're going to have the IRS administrator there, we're going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we're going to have the lawyers' organization from around the country, the ACLU -- all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," he noted.


Cleaver said they would not tell pastors which candidate to support. They will let them know who to regard as the bad guys, though (hint: not Democrats). "We're going to talk about some of the draconian laws that have cropped up around the country as a result of the 17 percent increase in African American votes," Cleaver said, describing voter ID laws as a form of Jim Crow-style "poll tax" on seniors and black voters.

The CBC chairman is confident that "President Obama is going to get 95 percent of the [African American] vote," and wants to keep that turnout high. "We want to let them know that there is a theological responsibility to participate in the political process, at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition," he said.

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IRS: Politics can jeopardize churches' tax-exempt status

Pastors meeting in Washington have been warned about political activities that could jeopardize their churches' tax-exempt status.

IRS regional manager Peter Lorenzetti told the Faith Leaders Summit that prohibited activities include endorsing or opposing candidates, campaigning for them, or making contributions to their campaigns.

But pastors are free to do any of those things as private citizens, according to Congressman G.K. Butterfield.  The North Carolina Democrat, a former judge, said, "You simply cannot do it in your capacity as the pastor of the church and give the implication that the church is endorsing the candidate."

Lorenzetti said churches can distribute voter guides that educate about political issues without favoring a particular candidate.

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FYI...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Hice

In September 2008, Hice was one of 33 pastors across America who participated in “Pulpit Freedom Sunday,”[3] an effort that challenged an Internal Revenue Service code threatening churches and pastors with loss of tax-exempt status and criminal behavior if they address certain moral or political issues from the pulpit. In that sermon, Hice endorsed Senator John McCain for President. The outcome of that stance is still pending.[4]
 
Dr. Hice was instrumental in raising sufficient funds to cover Barrow County, Georgia's attorney's fees for the Ten Commandments lawsuit, enabling the county to only be required to pay the $150,000 court ordered fee to the ACLU.[1]
 
Dr. Hice has been interviewed and quoted by numerous local and national media including Fox News Channel, CNN, ABC World News Tonight, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Associated Press, HBO, Esquire, Coral Ridge Ministries, TBN, and The Atlanta Journal.[5]

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Jody currently served as Sr. Pastor of Bethlehem First Baptist Church. However recently in April 2010 he resigned.,[2] in Bethlehem, Georgia. In addition, he served as First Vice President of the Georgia Baptist Convention (2004–05) and Professor of Preaching at Luther Rice Seminary.
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