Message #42940

[FervorForFaith]

Just trying to put everything together from what everything we've seen since the new Pope was appointed...

Rev 17:15  And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the **** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16  And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the wh0re, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18  And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So from scripture, we can say that the wh0re of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church centered in Rome...

Rev 17:3  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Pt being that every time I read this passage - it makes me think that the prophecy concerning the mother of harlots will get destroyed by the beast(with the 10 horns) BEFORE the 7 year great tribulation. If this is the case, then I'm not surprised at all that we're seeing this current Pope causing divisions within his own Catholic Church now, and to boot causing too many *concerns* among the so-called "Christian Right" opposition-controlled group. And throw in the Marxist Emergent Church for good measure that have been pushing the same things Frankie is doing now.

Just my 2 cents.

See, I don't see that. I can understand where you're coming from, but I think there's a couple things that don't align (Biblically or otherwise):

1) Revelation 14:6-11 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

This passage takes place sometime during the tribulation period. We know that because the third angel specifically warns to NOT take the mark of the Beast (which isn't implemented until the Beast is at the apex of his power, in the 2nd half of the tribulation). The second angel announces Babylon's fall OR Babylon's impending fall. So by this, we know that Babylon isn't destroyed until the beginning of the 2nd half of the tribulation at the earliest.

2) I understand the "RCC is Babylon" position (it's one I held basically since I was born again, until very recently), but what I don't understand is why would the beast/man of sin/son of perdition/antichrist destroy his propaganda machine? They'll be in lockstep with the world in worshiping the beast (and very well could be his "universal" [catholic] church) And if the false prophet comes out of the RCC (like many, including myself, speculate) why on earth would the false prophet allow this to happen?