Peter the Roman conspiracy

[Kilika]

Very interesting interview. Seems Horn is thinking along the same lines I am about the Vatican and the pope, though I haven't been up on this whole pope conspiracy thing. Not surprising really. I can see a group coming forward, even taking over the Vatican in the name of returning to Vatican 1. But I have little doubt the pope is the position that the False Prophet will arise from, and more and more, I'm thinking that the Antichrist will arise out of Islam, with the RCC giving it's support to Islam, maybe with some kind of assurances that Islam will allow the Jews access to the Temple Mount for worship.

My only hitch to all this is the question of the temple itself. I have been thinking that it must be rebuilt, but now I'm not so sure, because the Abomination of Desolation could possibly be simply the Antichrist standing on the Termple Mount, say in the mosque, and make his declaration, no actual temple needed, and no temple would be needed for rabbis to perform various worship services, even sacrifices on an alter built old school with unshapen stones that are freestacked by hand.

How far along in this process will believers be around? There are varying opinions, but we indeed will see this thing start to unravel before we leave I think.

And then there are the "Two Witnesses". When do they show up in all this?

[Mark]

Potential pope candidate speaks at UD
Cardinal Peter Turkson touts business education

One of the world’s leading Catholic theologians, who also has been mentioned as a potential candidate for pope, believes the values and principles of his faith can be applied to help any CEO or a company’s success. Cardinal Peter Turkson, who was appointed in 2009 by Pope Benedict XVI to lead the church’s peace and justice council, said a career in business “is a noble pursuit.” “At its best and most true to its nature and potential, business serves the common good,” he said. Turkson, an outspoken advocate for reform of the world’s financial system, was the keynote speaker Monday at the 8th International Conference on Catholic Social Thought and Management Education held at the University of Dayton.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/potential-pope-candidate-speaks-at-ud-1393170.html?cxtype=rss_local-news

[Mark]

Peter Turkson Seen As Secret Rival Of Peter Bertone, Wants Nations Of The World To Surrender Authority To “Global Public Authority” And “Central World Bank”

It followed the October 24, 2011, document, “Toward Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” which amounted to a call by the Vatican for a World Political and Financial Authority. Published by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, which is headed by Cardinal Peter Turkson, the media was quick—inside and outside Christianity—to see the dark side of socialism raising its head, not to mention prophetic implications of the paper’s call for a Global Authority seated inside the United Nations. In a chapter in our book Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here we explain how this new unsettling directive attempts to devise a “moral” mandate for establishing “a global public authority” and “a central world bank” that would oversee individual and world pecuniary institutions through subjugation to a new global power made “at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation’s powers to a world authority...

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/petrus-eleven.htm

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http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96527:popes-visit-to-lebanon-is-risky-priest-warns&catid=76:world&Itemid=560

Pope’s visit to Lebanon is risky, priest warns

8/24/12

FATHER Paolo Dall’Oglio, a Jesuit priest who was recently forced to leave Syria, has warned that Pope Benedict XVI ‘s safety could be at risk during a planned visit to Lebanon next month.

The pope is due to visit Lebanon from September 14-16 to bring a message of peace and call for greater respect for religious pluralism.

Even though his special protective car – the “popemobile” – has been sent to Beirut, questions are swirling about the safety of a trip to a country linked to the raging conflict in Syria.

The pope “must ask for help from a secret service that can guarantee his security. Because the Lebanese services are not sufficient in this situation,” Dall’Oglio warned.

Lebanon’s Sunni communities largely oppose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, while its Alawites, who belong to the same minority as the Syrian leader, are pro-Damascus. Deadly clashes between the two groups are on the rise.

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[Kilika]

Pope in Lebanon in this environment? Even I think that's a bad Idea. If nothing else, what do a bunch of Muslims want with a non-Muslim pope? Nothing that I can think of.

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Pope in Lebanon in this environment? Even I think that's a bad Idea. If nothing else, what do a bunch of Muslims want with a non-Muslim pope? Nothing that I can think of.

Was thinking the same thing - what would ANYONE be doing in that environment at this time? No, not saying anything will happen to the Pope this weekend, but with all the rumors surrounding him...just saying...

[Kilika]

38   And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 
39   But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
Acts 5:38,39 (KJB)

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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-names-6-cardinals-none-italy-123445336.html
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Pope names 6 cardinals, none from Italy
By NICOLE WINFIELD | Associated Press – Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI named six new cardinals on Wednesday, adding prelates from Lebanon, the Philippines, Nigeria, Colombia, India and the United States to the ranks of senior churchmen who will elect his successor.

Among them is Archbishop James Harvey, the American prefect of the papal household whom the pope also named archpriest of a Roman basilica.

As prefect, Harvey was the direct superior of the pope's former butler, Paolo Gabriele, who was convicted Oct. 6 of stealing the pope's private papers and leaking them to a reporter in the greatest Vatican security breach in modern times. The Vatican spokesman denied Harvey was being removed from the Vatican because of the scandal.

Benedict, 85, announced the new cardinals during his weekly general audience and said they would be formally elevated Nov. 24. The nominations help even out the geographic distribution of cardinals, which had tilted heavily toward Europe in the last few consistories and Italy in particular.

With the new cardinals installed Nov. 24, there will be 120 "princes" of the church under age 80 and thus eligible to vote in a conclave to elect a new pope. Europe still has the most, with 62. But with the new additions, the College of Cardinals is a tad more multinational: Latin America will have 21; North America, 14; Africa, 11; Asia, 11; and Oceana, one.

Aside from Harvey, the new cardinals are: Archbishop of Abuja, Nigeria, John Olorunfemi Onaiyekan; Archbishop of Bogota, Colombia, Ruben Salazar Gomez; Archbishop of Manila, Philippines, Luis Antonio Tagle; Patriarch of Antioch of the Maronites in Lebanon, His Beatitude Bechara Boutros Rai; and the major Archbishop of the Trivandrum of the Siro-Malankaresi in India, His Beatitude Baselios Cleemis Thottunkal.

Absent from the list is German Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, whom the pope named in July to head the Vatican's powerful Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Also missing is Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, who has ruffled feathers in the Vatican because of his outspoken criticism of the church's handling of the sex abuse scandal.

In the past, prelates in line for the red hats worn by cardinals have sometimes had to wait their turn if too many were chosen for the Vatican ceremony at which prelates are formally elevated. At six, though, the Nov. 24 consistory will be the smallest in years.

It will be unique in that not a single Italian or European will be elevated, perhaps an intentional response to criticism that the European-heavy College of Cardinals no longer reflects the face of the Catholic Church, which is growing in Africa and Asia but is in crisis in much of Europe.

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[Mark]

Pope Surpises Catholics With Sudden Papal Electors Announcement.

Tied To Vatileaks And Upcoming Petrus Romanus Conclave

Pope Benedict’s surprise announcement that he is naming 6 new cardinals raises at least three intriguing questions: Why now? The Pope has already elevated 22 prelates to the College of Cardinals this year, at a consistory held in February. Never before in the post-Vatican II era—in fact not since the 1920s—has a Roman Pontiff held two consistories for the elevation of new cardinals in a single calendar year. Assuming that the Holy Father wants to stay within the limit of 120 cardinal-electors, there are only 4 openings now, with 2 more to occur (as current cardinals reach the age of 80 and lose their eligibility as electors) before the November consistory. So the Pope will be filling all the available spots. If he had waited until the end of March 2013, he could have named a dozen new voting cardinals.

http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=942

[Mark]

Benedict's 'Little Consistory' Bends Cardinals Away From Bertone For Petrus Romanus

Pope Benedict XVI has named six new cardinals as a “gesture of the universality of the Church” and “in the context of the New Evangelization.” The new members of the College of Cardinals, including one American — Vatican Archbishop James Harvey — will be appointed in an unexpected consistory, scheduled to take place Nov. 24. Speaking extemporaneously Oct. 27 at the final session of the Synod of Bishops on the New Evangelization, the Pope said the “little consistory” would “complete” a previous one held in February, at which 22 new cardinals were appointed. Many of those new cardinals hailed from Europe and Italy in particular. Ten were also cardinals of the Roman Curia. The Holy Father said these six new cardinals do not come from Europe. This shows the Church is for “all peoples, speaks in every language,” the Pope added. “It is always the Church of Pentecost, not the Church of one continent, but of the universal Church.”

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/popes-little-consistory-adds-geographical-balance-to-college-of-cardinals/

[Aussie Micha]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21412609

Pope Benedict XVI has announced his resignation. Here is the full text of his statement from the Vatican:

Dear Brothers,

I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonisations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church.

After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me.

For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects.

And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff.

With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.








Wow!!! What does this mean? Isn't the next one the last and black?

[Mark]

looks like Tom Horn got 1 right

[Aussie Micha]

Yep, looks like it!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction

Pope Benedict XVI resigns – live reaction

Live• Pope Benedict XVI is to step down
• Pontiff says his age means he lacks strength to do job
• Ghana's Cardinal Peter Turkson favourite to replace him

[Mark]

im a little surprised that there is no major news reports on this.  nothing on the alternative Christian sites yet

[Mark]

i didnt realise this was so breaking, this just happened

[Mark]

Next pope likely to be chosen before the end of March, Vatican spokesman says - @BBCBreaking

[Aussie Micha]

Yeah, I'm in Australia and I got a text from my 25 yr old daughter about it.

And when I got online the was only one report that I found and a couple of old ones. A few minutes later there were heaps!!!!

I'm off to bed now as it's 11.40pm. I'm sure when I wake there will be heaps of information!

Nigh night!  

[Mark]

enjoy, and thanx for the news

[Aussie Micha]

LOL, still here and now it's after mid-night! 


Just found this, so just had to come back and share-

An African would mean a greater focus on the relationships with Islam, perhaps at the expense of the relations with the rest of Christianity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/feb/11/pope-benedict-resignation-shock?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

[Mark]

LOL, still here and now it's after mid-night! 


Just found this, so just had to come back and share-

An African would mean a greater focus on the relationships with Islam, perhaps at the expense of the relations with the rest of Christianity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/feb/11/pope-benedict-resignation-shock?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

Cardinal Peter Turkson

[Mark]

As Predicted In Petrus Romanus: Pope Benedict XVI In Shock Resignation. Conclave To Elect "Final Pope" Before Easter

Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month after nearly eight years as the head of the Catholic Church, saying he is too old to continue at the age of 85. The unexpected development surprised governments, Vatican-watchers and even the 85-year-old's closest aides. The Vatican says it expects a new Pope to be elected before the end of March, ahead of Easter. Papal resignations are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern era. The BBC's Alan Johnston in Rome says the news has come "out of the blue", and that there was no speculation whatsoever about the move in recent days. Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti is quoted as saying he was "greatly shaken by this unexpected news". A Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said that even the Pope's closest aides did not know what he was planning to do and were left "incredulous". He added that the decision showed "great courage" and "determination".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

Also see:
First pope since 1415 to resign...
http://news.sky.com/story/1050513/pope-benedict-resigns-vatican-confirms

Last few months has deteriorated'...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/pope-benedict-resignation/index.html

Advised by doctor not to take transatlantic trips...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_POPE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-11-07-01-46

Made decision in 'full freedom'...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276884/Pope-Benedict-shock-resignation-Pontiff-85-600-years-stand-longer-strength-carry-on.html#axzz2KamIgxRN

Evidence of Benedict XVI's deep humility...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100202321/pope-to-resign-this-is-unbelievable-news-but-evidence-of-benedict-xvis-deep-humility/

No obvious front-runner to replace...
http://www.france24.com/en/20130211-pope-resign-february-28-vatican-rome-catholic-church

First Black Pope In 1500 Years?...
http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/cardinali_biografie/cardinali_bio_turkson_pka_en.html

[Mark]

Re-Read The Series From Last Year! Who Will Be The Last Pope?

Having documented what we have in the last few entries, one could think with some certainty that Cardinal Bertone is a shoo-in for Petrus Romanus. However, as we move into 2012, cracks are suddenly appearing in the foundation of his sand castle, and not everybody in the Curia—including Pope Benedict XVI, himself—may wind up as eager to support him as they once were. As Pope Benedict’s health weakens, the sharks smell blood, and claims of mismanagement have been increasing from competing factions in the Church that are more than happy to seize opportunity to cast aspersion on Bertone in order to elevate their own standing among the College of Cardinals. This may include Archbishop Vigano, whose personal letters to Pope Benedict and Cardinal Bertone concerning his reassignment as Nuncio were partially broadcast by an Italian television news program in January 2012. The letters, confirmed by the Vatican as authentic, exposed a blistering relationship between himself and Bertone involving political jockeying and financial deal making including charges of “corruption, nepotism and cronyism linked to the awarding of contracts to contractors at inflated prices.”

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/petrus-twelve.htm


As Predicted By St. Malachy Before Tom Horn & Cris Putnam -- The Last Pope Is Here!

As the legend goes, Malachy experienced what is today considered a famous vision commonly called “The Prophecy of the Popes.” The prophecy is a list of Latin verses predicting each of the Roman Catholic popes from Pope Celestine II to the final pope, “Peter the Roman,” whose reign would end in the destruction of Rome. According to this ancient prophecy, the very next pope (following Benedict XVI) will be the final pontiff, Petrus Romanus or Peter the Roman. The final segment of the prophecy reads:

In persecutione extrema S. R. E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis deruetur et judex tremendus judicabit populum. Finis.[xii]

Which is rendered:

In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations; when they are over, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible or fearsome Judge will judge his people. The End.[xiii]...

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/petrus-one.htm

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I just saw this on the MSN(NBC affiliate national news) site before logging in here.

I'll admit - I nearly jumped up on my sofa when I read this. Rumors have had it for years that Benedict would be the next to the last Pope. Yeah, I know they all come from false prophets et al, but regardless the writing is on the wall.(if you know what we mean here)

Buckle up everyone, the ride is really going to get rough in a couple of months - IOW, getcha popcorn ready!

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http://news.yahoo.com/papal-resignation-sparks-global-disbelief-grief-185756993.html

Papal resignation sparks global disbelief, grief

2/11/13

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Roman Catholics around the world expressed disbelief and grief Monday at the first papal resignation in six centuries. Some saw it as a dramatic act of humility, others as a sign of crisis in the Roman Catholic Church. And many expressed hope that a more energetic and charismatic new pope would lead the church into a new era.
 
Shock was the overwhelming first response to Pope Benedict XVI's announcement Monday that he would retire Feb. 28.
 
"He can't quit like that. This can't be," said Alis Ramirez, an ice cream seller headed to church in the Venezuelan capital of Caracas. "A vacuum is created. It's like when a loved one dies."
 
The news also brought reawakened calls for a pope from the developing world, long considered a bulwark against continued losses in church membership in Europe and the United States. While the church has been battered by growing secularism and sex abuse scandals in the northern hemisphere, the number of believers is growing in Africa, and half the world's Catholics live in Latin America.
 
"We need someone young who can bring back the dynamism to the church," said Zulma Alves, a cook who was lighting candles in front of a Rio de Janeiro church that was closed for Carnival.
 
In Cuba, site of one of Pope Benedict's final trips, the few parishioners outside Havana's Cathedral before doors opened early Monday said they understood his reasons for stepping down and hoped it he would be replaced by a younger pontiff.
 
"The church must bring itself up to date with the modern world," said Angel Aguilera, a 33-year-old municipal worker.
 
Antonio Marto, the bishop of Fatima in central Portugal, said Benedict XVI's resignation presents an opportunity to pick a church leader from a country from the developing world.
 
"Europe today is going through a period of cultural tiredness, exhaustion, which is reflected in the way Christianity is lived," Marto told reporters. "You don't see that in Africa or Latin America where there is a freshness, an enthusiasm about living the faith.
 
"Perhaps we need a pope who can look beyond Europe and bring to the entire church a certain vitality that is seen on other continents."
 
It may be time for a "youngish" pope, possibly from the developing world, said Andreas Dingstad, a spokesman for the Catholic diocese in the Norwegian capital of Oslo.
 
"The church is growing most in the south. So I think lots of people will be ready for a pope from Africa, Asia or South America. But who knows, it's the early days still," Dingstad said.
 
The nation with biggest Christian population in Africa, Nigeria, has some 20 million practicing Catholics. In Lagos, Nigeria's largest city, trader Chukwuma Awaegwu put his feelings simply Monday: "If I had my way, an African should be the next pope, or someone from Nigeria."
 
"It's true; they brought the religion to us, but we have come of age," he said. "In America, now we have a black president. So let's just feel the impact of a black pope."
 
But Cardinal John Olorunfemi Onaiyekan, a Nigerian who was made a cardinal in November by Benedict, said papal politics are not normal politics.
 
"Popes come and popes go. It doesn't mean when a pope comes, the church completely changes, now. It isn't like a politician who wins an election and begins to implement manifestos," Onaiyekan said. "It is a different ball game all together, and I hope people out there realize that."
 
Bookmakers in Britain quicly offered odds on candidates to replace Benedict. Ghana's Cardinal Peter Turkson, Canada's Cardinal Marc Ouellet and Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria led in betting.
 
Scholars of other faiths also weighed in on the outgoing pope's legacy.
 
In Britain, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, expressed "a heavy heart but complete understanding" of the pope's decision.
 
A noted Islamic scholar in Jerusalem was less sympathetic. He said Benedict would be remembered by Muslims for misrepresenting their faith, damaging years of careful interfaith dialogue by his predecessor John Paul II.
 
"I regret that his term was not marked by genuine rapprochement with the Muslim world," said Mustafa Abu Sway of the Palestinian al-Quds University. Abu Sway said many Muslims couldn't forget Benedict's much-criticized lecture in 2006 at the University of Regensburg in Germany when he referenced a remark about Islam that offended Muslims.
 
"I just hope that the next Pope would do a much better job," Abu Sway said.
 
Many Catholics, however, praised Benedict for bravery and modesty in deciding to step aside.
 
In the pope's native Germany, the pontiff's older brother, 89-year-old Georg Ratzinger, told the dpa news agency in Regensburg that a doctor had advised his brother not to take any more trans-Atlantic trips and said was having increasing difficulty walking. "His age is weighing on him," Ratzinger said.
 
In Poland, the homeland of Benedict's predecessor, John Paul II, Krakow Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz said he was "surprised like everybody else," but said cardinals at the Vatican could see that Benedict was "weakening, had problems walking" even as his intellect remained strong.
 
The resignation was an act of deference to the greater good by a man "demonstrating his humanity," said Father Luis Rivero, Archdiocesan director of campus ministry for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami.
 
"There are times that only we know that we have to let go. And sometimes people may see that as a failure, but it's honorable when someone reaches their point they have to let go because they can't do this effectively anymore."

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OK, transferring posts about this subject from the shout box...

Lisa wrote:

What dyu think of the pope resigning   Very odd

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BornAgain2 wrote:

Yeah, something is up. Not that I'm taking the Peter Turkson/Peter the Roman "prophecy" at face value, but again, more watchful events as we're speaking potentially in the near future!

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Lisa wrote:

I'm interested- cant find any blog comments on the net yet but it's big prophesy news- always think of rev 17 vs 1o when popes come and go.

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BornAgain2 wrote:

Even though Malachy is a false prophet, at the same time even false prophets can give out prophecies that come to pass. Doc Marquis(a former occultist) experienced this when he worked for the dark forces.

Deu 13:1  If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2  And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3  Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

If Peter Turkson turns out to be the guy, just imagine not only the RCC, but the entire world, maybe including the modern-day "church" system, falling for him(whether he's the AC/FP or not).

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Lisa wrote:

I'm lost who is peter turkson ?

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BornAgain2 wrote:

One of the frontrunners to be the next Pope.

/done with shoutbox messages on this subject part.