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« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2013, 05:24:45 pm »

I see a parallel with Obama- if you don't agree with his policies you can be accused of being racist...are they planning to use the same tactic Huh??
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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2013, 06:58:04 pm »

I see a parallel with Obama- if you don't agree with his policies you can be accused of being racist...are they planning to use the same tactic Huh??

Here's something else I see - when N@zi Germany came to power, the NG leadership was 100% white arian. While Hitler and his minions were able to fool Germany and the world for a good bit, they were not only ultimately defeated, but this ended up planting the seeds in everyone's mind over the long haul trying to pin the evil of all evils of white arianism against minority races.

Do you see where's this going? Fast-foward to the present day, and the world by and large thinks there's just NO way the autrocities of NG will ever happen, especially now that we have a black President, more "diversity" in society, and potentially a black Pope. But guess what...right under everyone's noses, the USA President is going against Israel and the Jews, and under his watch policies mirroring NG are being implemented in this country(ie-green agenda, universal health care, etc).

There is nothing new under the sun...history is repeating itself, but NOT the way it was in prior times.
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« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2013, 07:42:35 pm »

Scola is one of the frontrunners as well...

2/11/13

http://news.sky.com/story/1050731/pope-benedict-resigns-who-could-take-over

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Cardinal Angelo Scola, Archbishop of Milan, at 5/1, was moved by Benedict from another high-profile post, Archbishop of Venice, in 2011.

Milan is the biggest diocese in Europe and Milan and Venice between them have produced five Popes in the last century.

He is a top scholar on Islam and Christian-Muslim dialogue and could be seen as well-placed to deal with the changing nature of religion in the modern world.
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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2013, 04:16:08 am »

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Monday, February 11, 2013 at 3:06PM
Today's Show: POPE BENEDICT RESIGNS

Chris discusses the shocking news from Rome that the current Pope -- Benedict XVI -- has announced his resignation by the end of this month.  This is the first pope in nearly 600 years to make such a decision, but what will it mean?  While speculations abound as to who will be the next pope, it is important to consider that many Catholics and Vatican leaders have followed the so-called prophecies of a Catholic "saint" named Malachy for hundreds of years.  Malachy is said to have foretold the number of popes from his time in the twelfth century up until the end of the world.  According to his list, Benedict XVI is the second to last pope -- while the next pope after him is supposed to be named Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman).  The reign of this final pope is to see the destruction of the Catholic Church, along with Armageddon and the end of the world.   Could any of this be true?  How should Christians view this so-called prophecy?  Is it merely fictional Catholic mysticism?  Or is it possible that the Vatican could be manipulating world events to make it appear that such prophecies were being fulfilled in order to lend credibility to their own teachings?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_POPE.RESIGNS_02.11.13.mp3
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Pope Benedict 'will not interfere in successor's affairs'

BBC News  - ‎39 minutes ago‎     
 

Pope Benedict XVI will not interfere in the affairs of his successor after his decision to resign later this month, the pontiff's brother has said.


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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2013, 09:10:21 am »

This is a trend I've noticed especially in recent years - "younger" leaders are really being pushed by the NWO-runned MSM(and the wicked world system). Not just Obama when he first ran for Prez in 2008, but recently GOP Sen Marco Rubio is being pushed as the next GOP "savior"(despite him pushing illegal immigration reform). Rubio is only 41(the Gen X/MTV/Pepsico age group) despite being a junior Senator(which was around Obama's age when he was first elected Sen in Illinois).

And then "leaders" in other aspects of society like communities, corporations, etc, and yes even PASTORS have gotten younger as well. Not that I have anything against young people, but this flies in the face of what scripture says...

1Tim_5:1  Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

1Tim_5:17  Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Heb 11:1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2  For by it the elders obtained a good report.


Pro 20:29  The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the gray head.

http://news.yahoo.com/catholic-church-needs-younger-pope-212053931.html;_ylt=Ari9JOQL6cTtHyJWlWKe2g7Nt.d_;_ylu=X3oDMTVxNnIwamw2BGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDQXJ0aWNsZSBNaXhlZCBMaXN0IE5ld3MgZm9yIFlvdSB3aXRoIE1vcmUgTGluawRwa2cDOWY0MzUzYzAtODgxZS0zNzUzLTg1YWUtZDc1NzM1MjMyN2MzBHBvcwM1BHNlYwNuZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyAzE5ZjE3MjcwLTc0OTEtMTFlMi1hZThmLTYwZjk5MDNjNjE2Mw--;_ylg=X3oDMTRhZ2d2b3M3BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMGYwMTUyMDItZDkxNC0zOWU3LThkZjQtNzczNzBhZjYwZGNkBHBzdGNhdANoZWFsdGh8ZGlzZWFzZXMtY29uZGl0aW9ucwRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANpcHRjX3NreXNjcmFwZXJfcmVsYXRlZA--;_ylv=3

The Catholic Church Needs a Younger Pope

Catholics are stunned by the news that Pope Benedict XVI is retiring at the age of 85, for health reasons. What might be more surprising is that he held on as long as he did.

There aren't many huge organizations effectively run by 80-something leaders. Sure, medical and cultural advances have allowed people to live rich lives far longer than anybody might have imagined 50 or 500 years ago. Seniors play a vital role in society as grandparents, mentors, living historians and even breadwinners.

But when aging leaders cling too long to power, the results can be unpleasant or worse. Rupert Murdoch, the 81-year-old CEO of News Corp., seemed flummoxed and inarticulate last year when he testified before the British Parliament about the phone-hacking scandal at several of his newspapers. At one point he even appeared to nod off, while his son James handled many of the questions requiring detailed answers.

Former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was 85 when the Jerry Sandusky scandal broke, and he seemed perplexed by the uproar during the few times he made unrehearsed comments on the matter. Granted, Paterno was a young stallion still in his 70s when Sandusky actually committed the crimes that wrecked the school's football program, but even then Paterno showed no comprehension of how grave the problem was.

When old leaders past their prime refuse to step down, it can be particularly damaging. Good leaders know when it's time for them to step aside. Bad leaders cling to power way too long, for personal reasons. When a fading leader still has the power to remain in his post, it can breed institutional rot. Penn State officials repeatedly urged Paterno to retire, for example, yet he rebuffed them, apparently determined to remain head coach until he could no longer walk onto the field.

There are a few examples of leaders in their 80s who seem to retain plenty of vigor for the job. One obvious example is Warren Buffett, the 82-year-old investing guru, who is still CEO of the conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway and seems as sharp as ever.

Yet it's undeniable that at some point, just about everybody loses some physical stamina and mental acuity. For most of us, that probably occurs before the age of 80. It's even more obvious that 80-year-olds are out of touch with the ways people half their age--or one-quarter their age--live, work and communicate.

If any organization could use a dose of youth at the top, it's the Catholic Church. The worldwide sexual abuse scandal that began to surface a decade ago still hasn't been fully explained by church leaders who are invariably old and male. Many people still wonder if the church gets it. Meanwhile, younger Catholics are losing interest--even in Catholic strongholds such as France and Spain--and the church is struggling to attract priests to its all-male fraternity. If the church were a public company, shareholders would have revolted by now.

In some cases where influential old-timers insist on hanging around, their colleagues have come up with clever workarounds. Sumner Redstone, the 89-year-old executive chairman of Viacom, may be the oldest working executive in corporate America. But he stepped down as CEO in 2006, allowing a much younger man to handle the day-to-day duties of running the company and all the stress that goes with it.

The oldest CEO in America may be 85-year-old O. Bruton Smith of Sonic Automotive. Like Redstone, he founded the company he works for, which may give him a bit more of a claim to the top job. Still, anybody running a public company is answerable to shareholders, with an obligation to do what's best for the organization, not for himself.

The Catholic Church obviously has no shareholders, but it does have an obligation to manage itself as effectively as possible. That's in the interest of more than 1 billion Catholics around the world, and of the church itself. The elders in Rome might discover that a 50- or 60-year-old whippersnapper at the helm of the church would be good for business.
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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2013, 09:24:28 am »

NOTRadio_02.11.13

Monday, February 11, 2013 at 3:06PM
Today's Show: POPE BENEDICT RESIGNS

Chris discusses the shocking news from Rome that the current Pope -- Benedict XVI -- has announced his resignation by the end of this month.  This is the first pope in nearly 600 years to make such a decision, but what will it mean?  While speculations abound as to who will be the next pope, it is important to consider that many Catholics and Vatican leaders have followed the so-called prophecies of a Catholic "saint" named Malachy for hundreds of years.  Malachy is said to have foretold the number of popes from his time in the twelfth century up until the end of the world.  According to his list, Benedict XVI is the second to last pope -- while the next pope after him is supposed to be named Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman).  The reign of this final pope is to see the destruction of the Catholic Church, along with Armageddon and the end of the world.   Could any of this be true?  How should Christians view this so-called prophecy?  Is it merely fictional Catholic mysticism?  Or is it possible that the Vatican could be manipulating world events to make it appear that such prophecies were being fulfilled in order to lend credibility to their own teachings?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_POPE.RESIGNS_02.11.13.mp3

Very interesting broadcast over this from Pinto...

Yeah, not that I put stock per se in this "prophecy", but at the same time this is one to watch for over the next couple of months(before they choose the next Pope).

This isn't exactly the same one as that 12/21/2012 heresy(which was completely taken out of context over what the Mayans said, and ultimately used as a psyop for some 5-6 years).

Deu 13:1  If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2  And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3  Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.


When I think about this passage, sometimes I wonder if Satan and his minions are allowed to make *some* prophecies that come to pass. For example, Jeanne Dixon and Mother Shipley actually made a few prophecies that came to pass(and I've crossed paths with a Churchianity folk or 2 that did the same), HOWEVER - these same false prophets also got a ton of their other prophecies wrong. Same with those "psychic hotline networks" - they actually end up giving "correct" prophecies to some of their callers.

Which gets me thinking - what IF Peter the Roman does come to pass as the next Pope? At bare minimum, it will be interesting to see not only how the world will embrace him, but also how the Churchianity crowd(in particular the Southern Baptist Convention) will embrace him as well. Catholic teachings like contempletive prayer have infiltrated Churchianity in recent years(as well as Emergent/Postmodernism Church teachings), so it shouldn't be surprising if they react with awe at whoever the next Pope could be.

But OTOH, if this Peter the Roman prophecy doesn't come to pass, then it could further open the door for more scoffers to come out of the woodwork(especially with Harold Camping, 12/21/2012, etc being over-hyped in recent years).

2Peter 3:1  This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Daniel_7:25  And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2013, 09:41:33 am »

http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-acknowledges-pope-had-pacemaker-123335611.html

2/12/13

Vatican acknowledges that pope had pacemaker

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican is acknowledging for the first time that Pope Benedict XVI has had a pacemaker for years and that its battery was replaced a few months ago in secret.
 
Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said Benedict had the pacemaker installed "a long time" before he became pope in 2005. He called the latest medical procedure "routine."
 
It was the first time the Vatican has mentioned a papal pacemaker.
 
Italian daily Il Sole 24 said the pope had the pacemaker procedure less than three months ago in a Rome hospital and did not miss any public appearances.
 
Benedict is resigning on Feb. 28 because he says he has become too infirm to handle the burdens of the papacy. He will become the first pope to step down in six centuries.
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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2013, 11:55:01 am »

Pope Benedict Dogged by Hitler Youth Past
2/12/13
http://news.yahoo.com/hitler-youth-past-dogged-pope-benedict-despite-jewish-215603378--abc-news-topstories.html

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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2013, 12:10:56 pm »

http://now.msn.com/filippo-monteforte-photographed-lightning-striking-st-peters-basilica-the-day-pope-resigned

2/11/13



Did lightning strike St. Peter's Basilica the day the pope resigned?

Are you the kind of person who believes in omens? If so, what do you make of this stunning photo, snapped by an Italian photographer, of lightning appearing to strike the top of St. Peter’s Basilica the day Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation? A sign from above, a hoax or one lucky break for Filippo Monteforte, the Italian shutterbug who is credited with capturing the image? According to news agency Agence France-Presse, Monteforte reportedly took the photo Monday. Skeptics, of course, doubted that anyone could get that lucky and questioned the photo's authenticity, but others believed the photo was real and was a sign from above.
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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2013, 12:17:19 pm »

Why the Pope Really Stepped Down: Your Guide to Ridiculous Conspiracy Theories
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/02/pope-conspiracy-theories/61996/

**At the top of this list in this article is NOT the Malachy "prophecy"(although it's eventually mentioned at the bottom), but his health, his N@zi past, the church's sex abuse scandal...uhm...these AREN'T conspiracy theories, these are FACTS! Roll Eyes
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AP Interview: African papal contender wants change

Now where have we heard this before? Roll Eyes

Proverbs_24:21  My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:

2/12/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — One of Africa's brightest hopes to be the next pope, Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, says the time is right for a pontiff from the developing world, and that he's up for the job "if it's the will of God."
 
In an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press, the day after Pope Benedict XVI announced he would soon resign, Turkson said the "young churches" of Africa and Asia have now become solid enough that they have produced "mature clergymen and prelates that are capable of exercising leadership also of this world institution."
 
The church in the Third World doesn't need a pope of its own to thrive, he said. It's done just fine growing exponentially with European pontiffs. But Turkson said a pope from the global south, where half of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics live, would "go a long way to strengthen them in their resolve."
 
Turkson, 64, became Ghana's first cardinal when he was elevated by Pope John Paul II in 2003, while he was archbishop of Cape Coast. Six years later, Benedict tapped him to head the Vatican's peace and justice office, which tackles issues such as the global financial meltdown, armed conflicts and ethical codes for the business world.

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Job_38:35  Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

Psa_18:14  Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.

Psa_77:18  The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.

Psa_97:4  His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.


 Huh

http://now.msn.com/filippo-monteforte-photographed-lightning-striking-st-peters-basilica-the-day-pope-resigned

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Did lightning strike St. Peter's Basilica the day the pope resigned?

Are you the kind of person who believes in omens? If so, what do you make of this stunning photo, snapped by an Italian photographer, of lightning appearing to strike the top of St. Peter’s Basilica the day Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation? A sign from above, a hoax or one lucky break for Filippo Monteforte, the Italian shutterbug who is credited with capturing the image? According to news agency Agence France-Presse, Monteforte reportedly took the photo Monday. Skeptics, of course, doubted that anyone could get that lucky and questioned the photo's authenticity, but others believed the photo was real and was a sign from above.
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Apparently, the lightening strike did happen. They have video that allegedly was taken when it happened, the same day the pope resigned.
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Pope resigns: Peter Turkson reveals vision for the Church and 'alternative lifestyles'

The cardinal who could become the first black pope said Tuesday that the Roman Catholic Church faces grave challenges in remaining relevant in the modern world even as he laid out a conservative vision of how to deal with society's "alternative lifestyles".


 Cardinal Peter Turkson, a 64-year-old Ghanaian prelate, is the bookmaker's early favourite to succeed Pope Benedict XVI.

He told The Daily Telegraph Tuesday that his biggest challenge, should he be elected, would be to maintain an orthodox Catholic doctrine while "at the same time knowing how to apply it so that you do not become irrelevant in a world that has continuous changes".

Cardinal Turkson, who holds one of the most important jobs in the Roman Curia and has been repeatedly promoted by Pope Benedict, was quick to take a conservative line on gay marriage and other "alternative lifestyles".

"We need to find ways of dealing with the challenges coming up from society and culture," he said, adding that the Church needed to "evangelise", or convert, those who had embraced "alternative lifestyles, trends or gender issues". He added: "We cannot fail in our task of providing guidance."

Cardinal Turkson has caused controversy in the past both by screening a video claiming that Europe faced being overrun by Muslims and by insisting that condoms were not the solution to preventing HIV.



The African prelate said he had reflected on the enormous personal burden of becoming the leader of the Catholic Church. "It would certainly mean a lot if I had to be a pope," he said. "If I was elected pope it would signal a lot of [personal] change. Very big change in a lot of regards. I have been an archbishop, which involved a certain amount of leadership and now having to do this on a world level, the dimensions expand almost infinitely.

"It is going to be a life-changing experience and I think that is what it has been for Benedict and those who have gone before us. The challenge will also be with the individual to want to make his mark, not trying to fit into anybody's shoes but finding his own shoes to wear."

Cardinal Turkson also said the Vatican needs to "restore and repair" an image that has been "badly compromised by recent scandals".

Pope Benedict's eight-year papacy saw controversies over paedophile priests, a tense relationship with the Muslim world, and the conviction of his butler for stealing documents that revealed corruption at the top of the Vatican.

"[We need] to relevantly address issues and the credibility of our own ministry and leadership," said Cardinal Turkson. "The Church, if you adopt the imagery of a boat, is going through quite a bit of a storm and it does not appear to be over yet," he said.

"In Europe, churches are getting empty, the population appears not to relate much to the Church and to religion and all of that –that is an issue to deal with. In the new churches, Latin America, Africa and Asia, where the Church appears to be growing there is also the challenge of being able to maintain membership. Whoever succeeds Benedict will not lack challenges and they are an invitation to creativity and innovation."

He acknowledged that he will be in the running when 118 cardinals enter into a conclave in the Sistine Chapel next month to select their next leader.

"It is a possibility [that there will be an African pope]," he said. "Already at the last conclave there was a move to have a candidate from the southern half of the globe," he said. But he pointed out that there is constant speculation over the idea of an African pope.

"Before I got here there was a young African cardinal called Arinze from Nigeria. And at every conclave everybody was talking about him as an emerging candidate. Arinze is now 80 and actually there is no way he can participate in the conclave. So after Arinze another African shows up in the Vatican, now there are actually two of us, there is a cardinal from Guinea. So again there is speculation."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9866227/Pope-resigns-Peter-Turkson-reveals-vision-for-the-Church-and-alternative-lifestyles.html
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« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2013, 09:17:23 am »

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He's only telling the Churchianity crowd what their itching ears want to hear.
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« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2013, 11:30:41 am »

OK, I'm NOT trying to bring up another pre vs post rapture debate. But am posting this b/c we discussed this 2 years ago here over the RCC's post-trib rapture view, and how it relates to their St. Malachy "prophecy" over the last Pope "leading and protecting" the church over intense persecutions from the Antichrist.

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CCC 675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.4 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth5 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.6

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The Breaking News for February 11, 2013 is that current Pope Benedict XVI is resigning the end of February. Brannon’s guests are former Catholics Chris Pinto and Mike Gendron.

Topic: What are the prophesies of Malachy, a “Saint” that it appears the Church of Rome has been deliberately following for years?

Topic: Why should Christians not give any credibility to these predictions of Malachy?

Topic: Why are people watching to see if the next Pope takes the name Pope Peter?

Topic: How can Christians use the news of the current Pope’s resignation to share the gospel with those caught up in the lies of the Church of Rome.

Topic: We take your calls.

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-aired-february-11-2013

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« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2013, 08:49:31 am »

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In October 2011 Cardinal Turkson called for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises. The document, Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority was very specific, calling for taxation measures on financial transactions. It notes that “The economic and financial crisis which the world is going through calls everyone, individuals and peoples, to examine in depth the principles and the cultural and moral values at the basis of social coexistence,” it said. The document condemned what it called “the idolatry of the market” as well as a “neo-liberal thinking” that it said looked exclusively at technical solutions to economic problems. “In fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale,” it said, adding that world economics needed an “ethic of solidarity” among rich and poor nations.

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In 2012, in response to a speech by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urging Church leaders to do more for human rights and in particular gay rights in Africa, Turkson, while recognising that some of the sanctions imposed on homosexuals in Africa are an “exaggeration,” stated that the “intensity of the reaction is probably commensurate with tradition.” “Just as there’s a sense of a call for rights, there’s also a call to respect culture, of all kinds of people,” he said. “So, if it’s being stigmatized, in fairness, it’s probably right to find out why it is being stigmatized.” He also called for distinction to be made between human rights and moral issues.
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FWIW, wasn't the same rhetoric used when Obama ran for President in 2008(which around that time he rose to popularity as the sitting one, Bush II, was the most hated one up to that time)? And for that matter too, the Southern Baptist Convention used similar PC rhetoric when they elected the first black President(Fred Luter), although no the previous President wasn't hated or anything.

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Is it time for the first African pope?

2/14/13

Two popular African Catholic cardinals — one from Ghana, the other from Nigeria — are among the frontrunners to replace Pope Benedict XVI
 
Bookies put odds on just about everything, so it's no surprise that they're already sizing up the chances of potential successors to Pope Benedict XVI, who this week became the first pontiff in six centuries to announce his resignation. The process of choosing the next pope probably won't be complete until the end of March, or later, but for the first time the favorites appear to be leaders from outside Europe. One, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, is from Canada. The others are from Africa — Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson of Ghana and Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria. Is now the time for the Catholic Church to pick its first black pope?
 
Church leaders in Africa appear split on how likely that is to happen. It would be "quite some miracle," according to Matthias Kobena Nketsiah, archbishop of Cape Coast in Ghana. "If the Church chooses a Third World person or a black pope it will have to come to terms with itself," he said. "I am not saying the Church is racist, but there are overtones and perceptions that maybe add up to that." Others are giving better odds. Cardinal John Onaiyekan of Abuja, Nigeria, said recently that he wouldn't be surprised to see an African pope in his lifetime, possibly soon. "The fact that the Gospel is to be preached to all peoples, languages, and races means that the highest leadership of the church should be open to anyone from any race, language, and nation," he said.
 
Some experts believe that choosing a pope from Africa would be the best thing for the faithful in the developing world, and the best thing for the Church. "At a time when the pews and churches of Europe and North America are empty and many dioceses are declaring bankruptcy," says Stan Chu Ilo at CNN, "the churches in Africa are filled beyond capacity every Sunday." There has a been a global shift in the world's Catholic population from North to South in the last three decades, and for the first time in history more than half of the faithful come from Latin America or Africa.
 
For many Catholics, where a pope comes from may not be as important as who the pope is, but for most African Catholics the election of an African pope will be a wonderful sign that African Catholicism has come of age, and they hope that such a pope will address squarely the particular challenges facing Africans today and integrate African culture and socio-economic priorities into mainstream Catholicism. [CNN]

One Catholic with special insight into the matter — Pope Benedict's older brother, the Rev. Georg Ratzinger, doesn't think it will happen just yet, as the College of Cardinals isn't changing as fast as the Catholic population in the pews. "I'm certain a pope will come from the new continents but whether it will be now, I have my doubts," he says. "In Europe, we have many very able people, and the Africans are still not so well known and maybe do not have the experience yet."

According to The Associated Press, that's an important point. "The face of the Roman Catholic Church has changed profoundly in Pope Benedict XVI's lifetime." Western congregations are smaller and older, while those in the developing world are booming. The transformation, however, isn't reflected in the College of Cardinals yet, and that's where the next pope will be chosen.
 
In fact, the membership of the conclave remains — by its regional breakdowns, at least — more of a look back on what the church was rather than a reflection of where it is headed.
 
Europeans still dominate the group, representing more than half of the possible 117 cardinals who with gather in the Sistine Chapel to vote. However, the pressures of the 21st century church — battered by abuse scandals and losing stature in the West — are likely to exert themselves strongly in the deliberations and the fundamental choices facing the papal electors. [Associated Press]
 
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 Petrus Romanus - The Final Pope is here. We are witnessing prophecy unfold before our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict XVI is stepping down.

Join us for this special broadcast as we welcome back Tom Horn, co-author of Petrus Romanus (with Cris Putnam) and Steve Quayle to discuss this prophesized event.

Special Time: 9:00 p.m. to midnight (ET)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

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Today's Show: POPE BENEDICT RESIGNS

Chris discusses the shocking news from Rome that the current Pope -- Benedict XVI -- has announced his resignation by the end of this month.  This is the first pope in nearly 600 years to make such a decision, but what will it mean?  While speculations abound as to who will be the next pope, it is important to consider that many Catholics and Vatican leaders have followed the so-called prophecies of a Catholic "saint" named Malachy for hundreds of years.  Malachy is said to have foretold the number of popes from his time in the twelfth century up until the end of the world.  According to his list, Benedict XVI is the second to last pope -- while the next pope after him is supposed to be named Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman).  The reign of this final pope is to see the destruction of the Catholic Church, along with Armageddon and the end of the world.   Could any of this be true?  How should Christians view this so-called prophecy?  Is it merely fictional Catholic mysticism?  Or is it possible that the Vatican could be manipulating world events to make it appear that such prophecies were being fulfilled in order to lend credibility to their own teachings?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_POPE.RESIGNS_02.11.13.mp3


Tuesday, February 12, 2013 at 6:06PM
Today's Show: PROPHECY OF MALACHY: THE FINAL POPE?

Chris continues his discussion of the Catholic "saint" Malachy prophecy concerning the list of popes who would supposedly reign until the end of the world and Armageddon.  According to the list, the next pope elected should be the last and final pope.  Throughout the twentieth century, many Catholics have tried to align the prophecies of Malachy to make it appear that they are coming to pass.  Could the next pope be elected under this same influence?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_THE.FINAL.POPE_02.12.13.mp3


Wednesday, February 13, 2013 at 9:19PM
Today's Show: THE BARQUE OF PETER

Chris discusses the old world term for the Papal throne, which was specifically
mentioned by Pope Benedict as he announced his resignation.  But what is the
greater symbolism?  Also, a number of mainstream media news organizations
have reported that lightning struck St. Peter's Basilica in Rome within a few
hours of the Pope's stunning announcement.  Some are calling it a sign from God,
but could it merely be a theatrical stunt?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_BARQUE.OF.PETER.mp3


Thursday, February 14, 2013 at 1:22PM
Today's Show: THE PILLARS OF DON BOSCO

With all the flurry surrounding Pope Benedict's resignation, Chris continues his discussion on the Barque (ship) of St. Peter, one of the symbols used in Catholicism for the papacy.  In the 19th century, a Catholic "saint" named Don Bosco claimed to have a vision of two pillars that arose during a time of great turmoil in the Catholic Church.  According to Bosco, the Barque of Peter would be anchored to these pillars as the means of help and salvation.  Modern Catholics have made reference to the vision as one "for our times."  But what do the pillars actually symbolize?  And how can we as Christians be good witnesses to Catholics, in shining the light of truth according to the Word of God?

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/storage/NOTR_PILLARS.OF.DON.BOSCO_02.14.13.mp3
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Pope Says He Will Be ‘Hidden to the World’ in Retirement

Saying he would soon be “hidden to the world,” Pope Benedict XVI took his leave of parish priests and clergy members of the Diocese of Rome on Thursday as he offered personal, and incisive, recollections of the Second Vatican Council, the gathering of bishops 50 years ago that set the Roman Catholic Church’s course for the future.

 Benedict, who announced his resignation on Monday in a move that stunned the Roman Catholic world, also indicated that he would not hold a public role once his resignation became official on Feb. 28. Benedict is the first pope to step down in nearly 600 years.

“Though I am now retiring to a life of prayer, I will always be close to all of you, and I am sure all of you will be close to me, even though I remain hidden to the world,” Benedict, 85, and increasingly frail, told the assembly of hundreds of priests, who had greeted him with a long standing ovation and some tears.

Priests in attendance said they felt they had witnessed a powerful moment in church history, one that also humanized a pope who had often seemed remote. “It moved me to see the pope smile,” said Don Mario Filippa, a priest in Rome. “He has found peace within himself.”

Father Martin Astudillo, 37, an Argentine priest who is studying in Rome, said, “It was a part of history.” He added: “This is a man of God who at the end of his public role transmits his vision of the church and relationship with the church. We saw in a few words a real synthesis of his vision of the church and what he expects from whomever takes over.”

During the reflection — or “chat” in his words — on the Second Vatican Council, Benedict recalled the “incredible” expectations of the bishops going into the gathering.

“We were full of hope, enthusiasm and also of good will,” he said.

But while the council made landmark decisions that would propel the church into the future, much got lost in the news media’s interpretation of what transpired, Benedict said, which led to the “calamities” that have marred recent church history.

The news outlets reduced the proceedings “into a political power struggle between different currents of the church,” Benedict said, and each chose a side that suited its individual vision of the world.

These messages, not that of the council, entered into the public sphere, and that led in the years ahead to “so many calamities, so many problems, seminaries closed, convents that closed, the liturgy trivialized,” the pope said.

Benedict spoke of how the Second Vatican Council had explored ideas of “continuity” between the Old and New Testaments, and of the relationship between the Catholic and Jewish faiths, a thorny issue during his tenure.

“Even if it’s clear that the church isn’t responsible for the Shoah, it’s for the most part Christians who did this crime,” the German-born Benedict said of the Holocaust, adding that this called for a need to “deepen and renovate the Christian conscience,” even if it is true that “real believers only fought against” Nazi barbarism.

At a news briefing on Thursday, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, confirmed a report in the Turin newspaper La Stampa that the pope had accidentally hit his head during a trip to Mexico last March. The press corps traveling with Benedict was not informed of the accident.

The Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano has reported that the pope had decided to retire after returning from that trip. But Father Lombardi rejected La Stampa’s suggestion that the episode might have prompted the decision.

La Stampa reported that Benedict had gotten up in the middle of the night but could not find the light switch in the unfamiliar environment, and had accidentally hit his head on a sink in the bathroom.

An unidentified prelate on the same trip said the pope had come down to breakfast the next morning with blood in his hair, the newspaper said. There was also blood on the pillow, “and a few drops on the carpet,” La Stampa quoted the prelate as saying. “But it was not a deep cut, nor was it worrisome,” and it was covered by the pope’s thick hair, the prelate added. The pope did not complain during the day’s events.

Later that night, the prelate said, he heard that the pope’s doctor had reacted by expressing worries about so much travel, and that Benedict had responded that he too had concerns about traveling.

Father Lombardi said: “I don’t deny that this episode happened, but it didn’t impact on the rest of his trip, nor on his decision to resign. That isn’t linked to one single episode.”

Since Benedict announced the decision, saying he felt he did not have the strength to continue in his ministry, there has been much closer public scrutiny of his health.

On Tuesday, the Vatican confirmed for the first time that the pope had had a pacemaker since his time as a cardinal and had its batteries changed three months ago.

Once retired, Benedict will live in a convent in Vatican City, and will be tended to by the nuns who look after him now. Father Lombardi said Benedict’s longtime personal secretary, Archbishop Georg Gänswein, who was also named prefect of the papal household two months ago, would continue to work for him.

Father Lombardi said he saw no conflict of interest if Archbishop Gänswein served the current pope and his successor.

The prefect is responsible for logistical duties, and “in this sense it is not a profound problem, I think,” Father Lombardi said.

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Pope Says He Will Be Hidden to the World’ Moving in his Underground Bunker in Retirement

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Saying he would soon be “hidden to the world,” Pope Benedict XVI took his leave of parish priests and clergy members of the Diocese of Rome on Thursday as he offered personal, and incisive, recollections of the Second Vatican Council, the gathering of bishops 50 years ago that set the Roman Catholic Church’s course for the future.

Kind of like the past President(George W), who has pretty much been hidden since he left office(although he managed to attended TX Rangers playoff games).

Again, not saying Peter Turkson will be the guy, but it seems like a similar pattern is coming about here.
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« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2013, 10:08:35 am »

Tom Horn & Steve Quayle-The Hagmann & Hagmann Report

 Petrus Romanus - The Final Pope is here. We are witnessing prophecy unfold before our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict XVI is stepping down.

Join us for this special broadcast as we welcome back Tom Horn, co-author of Petrus Romanus (with Cris Putnam) and Steve Quayle to discuss this prophesized event.

Special Time: 9:00 p.m. to midnight (ET)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report

MP3: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-radio/2013/02/15/the-hagmann-hagmann-report.mp3

Listened to the Brannon House segment the other day(where he had on Pinto and Mike Gentren[sp]) - they said that the Jesuits have used these "prophecies" to manipulate world events, ultimately. This so-called "St Malachy prophecy" isn't the first one. Yes, we shouldn't put weight into these mysticism prophecies, but at the same time it's somewhat interesting that alot of the world events we've seen et al, the Jesuits have used all of their "prophecies" over time to manipulate these events.

As for this Horn/Quayle interview - not a fan of either, but it looks like a decent listen.
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Today's Show: THE BARQUE OF PETER

Chris discusses the old world term for the Papal throne, which was specifically
mentioned by Pope Benedict as he announced his resignation.  But what is the
greater symbolism?  Also, a number of mainstream media news organizations
have reported that lightning struck St. Peter's Basilica in Rome within a few
hours of the Pope's stunning announcement.  Some are calling it a sign from God,
but could it merely be a theatrical stunt?

Theatrical stunt? Don't think so, as HAARP/Weather Control doesn't have this kind of power.

Psa_97:4  His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled.

Psa_135:7  He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain; he bringeth the wind out of his treasuries.
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« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2013, 07:41:45 am »

Vatican says conclave could start before March 15

The Vatican said on Saturday that

the conclave to choose the successor to Pope Benedict could

start before March 15 if enough cardinals are in Rome to elect

him.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Church rules

which regulate the timing of conclaves could be "interpreted"

differently this time because of the unique circumstances of

Benedict's historic resignation.

He had said earlier that the conclave would start between

March 15-20 according to existing rules. But he said on Saturday

that events could move more quickly since the Church was dealing

with an announced resignation and not a sudden papal death.

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« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2013, 01:18:55 pm »

Wouldn't surprise me if they already have picked the new Pope being closed doors many moons ago(alot like how they pre-determine elections here in the USA).

If that's the case, then they might as well make it known now and spare everyone all the gossip, guessing, debating, etc in the media and society.
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See anything in Peter Turkson's coat of arms?



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Latin America is home to almost half the world's Catholics, but will struggle to produce the next pope

The continent has half a billion Christians – but only 21 of the 117 cardinals who will elect the next pontiff


Almost as soon as Benedict XVI announced his resignation, Latin America was abuzz with speculation that the Catholic church would finally choose a pope from the continent with the most believers.

From the mayor of Mexico City to bishops and newspaper commentators in almost every country in the region, the prospects for a first Hispanic pontiff have been raised, weighed or boosted in newspapers, social networks and sermons.

Latin America is home to 41% of the world's 1.2 billion registered Catholics, but of the 117 cardinals who will decide the next pope, only 21 are from Latin America; almost half are from Europe.

For much of the past 50 years, swaths of Latin America have embraced a more socially active vision of the church's role in alleviating poverty and resisting dictatorships. "Liberation Theology" has proved highly controversial in the Vatican, where conservatives have been wary of the movement's overt Marxist sympathies. Before succeeding John Paul II, Benedict XVI proved his mettle by taking on the Liberation Theologians, whom he described as a "fundamental threat to the faith of the church".

None of the Latin American candidates is likely to introduce radical changes, though they could offer a change of tone and a continental shift in perspectives.

The best known is probably Argentine Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, who rose to public attention when he served as the voice of John Paul while the last pope was unable to speak due to Parkinson's disease. He also announced the pontiff's death. Now 69, Sandri, who speaks five languages, has held several senior positions in the Vatican, including his current role as head of the congregation of Oriental churches, which makes him responsible for Catholics in Bethlehem and elsewhere in the Holy Land. But some have noted that Sandri's star has been waning in recent years; his current role is less influential than the positions he occupied under John Paul.

If demographics were a major factor, then the leading Latin American candidate would probably be Odilo Pedro Scherer, the 63-year-old archbishop of Sao Paulo, the biggest city in Brazil and the continent.

The possibility of a first Hispanic pope has been widely picked up in the Brazilian media. The influential Veja magazine speculated that Scherer might be in the frame. There are five Brazilians among the 119 cardinals who are eligible to vote.

Brazil is the world's biggest Catholic nation with an estimated 150 million believers, 75% of the population. But this is a decline on the 90% recorded in the past – a result of secularism and a strong challenge by evangelical methodist groups and Islam but the country's importance to the church was evident in Benedict XVI's decision to make Sao Paulo the destination in 2007 of his first of his two trips to Latin America

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