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« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2013, 01:41:45 pm »

I saw an article last night over whether or not the next Pope will come from America.

Whoever the next Pope is, it's likely the case he's already been pre-determined awhile back(whether it's Peter Turkson or whoever). Alot like elections in America where the Presidents are pre-determined years in advance.

With that being said - they might as well save everyone from this time-consuming dog and pony show going back and forth over who it should/shouldn't be by going ahead and officially making known the new Pope now.
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« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2013, 04:47:04 pm »

Pope Gives Two Weeks Notice

by Jack Kinsella

February 14, 2013

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The Catholic church was thrown into turmoil [Monday] after Pope Benedict XVI made the shock decision to quit the papacy because of his deteriorating health. The decision, delivered in Latin and in unemotional tones by Pope Benedict XVI to a gathering of cardinals on Monday, came ''like a bolt out of the blue'', one of the participants said, and it soon ricocheted around the world.

In a decision that surprised even his closest aides, the 85-year-old Pontiff said his strength was 'no longer adequate to continue in office due to his advanced age'.  He announced his resignation in Latin to a meeting of Vatican cardinals this morning, saying he did not have the 'strength of mind and body' to continue leading more than a billion Roman Catholics worldwide.

He is the first Pope to resign since Gregory XII in 1415 and no Pontiff in history has stepped down on health grounds. Shortly after making his announcement, the statue of Peter's horse atop St Peter's Basilica was struck by lightning not once but TWICE.

Which brings us full circle to when Pope Benedict was elected in 2005 to replace the late John Paul II bringing an obscure 10th century Irish priest back to the center square.

According to legend, Irish Bishop Malachy O'Morgair had a strange vision during a trip to Rome to report to Pope Innocent II.

In his vision, Malachy was given a list of all the Popes who would rule over the Catholic Church from his day until the Second Coming.  Malachy put the list together using short announcements that indicated some noticeable trait from each Pope, beginning with Pope Celestine II, who was elected in 1130.

Altogether, St. Malachy listed a total of 112 Popes from Celestine II until the return of Christ.  He committed the visions to paper and handed the manuscript to Pope Innocent II.  Innocent placed the manuscript in the archives where they remained "unread" for nearly four centuries.

Pope John Paul I was the 109th Pope.  Malachy identified him by the motto, 'de medietate lunae' which means 'of the half moon'.  John Paul I held one of the shortest pontificates in Vatican history, living only 34 days after his elevation to the papacy.  John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978 and reigned from one moon cycle to the next.

St. Malachy's motto for John Paul II was 'de labore solis' which is interpreted either as 'from the toil of the sun' or, 'of the eclipse of the sun'. Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920, during a solar eclipse.  He was buried at the Vatican on April 8, 2005.

The following is a verbatim quote from MSNBC, dated April 8, 2005.

"The moon blotted out the sun Friday across a wide stretch extending from the South Pacific to the Americas, with a precious few witnessing a total eclipse at sea. Thousands more flocked to Central and South America to see the sun reduced to a narrow "ring of fire" around the dark moon."

The motto, "Gloria Olivae" which means the 'glory of the olive'.  One of the many Catholic 'orders' is the Order of St Benedict, which is also known as the 'Olivetans'.  Cardinal Ratzinger chose for his Papal name, Benedict XIV.

According to the legend, Benedict XIV will be the last Pope before 'Peter the Roman' of whom Malachy has much more to say than he does of the other Popes. Instead of a motto, Malachy gave specifics, writing;

"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people".

Assessment:

Logic and Scripture both dictate that true prophecy can only come from God.  Logically, a prophecy concerning the future requires perfect foreknowledge, not just of the event itself, but of the consequences of every previous event that leads up to the event being prophesied.

For example, the restoration of Israel.

Had it not been for the Holocaust, the Jews of Europe would still be European Jews, instead of Holocaust survivors forced by circumstances to seek a Jewish State for their collective security.

If Hitler's great-granny had joined a convent or got hit by a bus before giving birth to Hitler's ancestor, there'd have been no Nazi Party, no WWII, no Holocaust, and, arguably, no reason for world Jewry to seek a Jewish State at that particular point in history.

Scripture identifies prophecy as God's 'signature'.

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10-11)

The Scriptures also say that Divine revelation concluded with the Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Apostle John.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18)

So, if both the Scriptures and common logic demand that only God can be the Author of prophecy, what are we to do with St. Malachy?  There are all kinds of problems that can be ascribed to Malachy's prophecies in order to mount an attempt to discredit them.

They were 'hidden away' in the Vatican for centuries, prompting some to speculate they were actually written in the 16th, rather than the 11th century.

That would explain how Malachy could seemingly 'prophesy' the sixty-six popes from Celestine in 1130 to Paul III in 1549.  But it doesn't explain the seemingly amazing accuracy of Malachy's mottos for the other sixty-six Popes from Paul III forward.

Malachy just nailed, it would seem, Pope #45 in a row -- since the list was unsealed in the 16th century -- with the elevation of Benedict the Olivetan.  That's a pretty amazing record no matter how you look at it.  Is it of God?

I don't think so.  The oldest lie in human history was offered by Satan in the Garden of Eden.

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

Human beings know right from wrong, because those are actions.  Good and evil, on the other hand, are OUTCOMES, something known only to God.

God often uses evil for good.  When Joseph confronted his brothers for selling him into slavery in Egypt, Joseph noted that they meant it for evil, but God meant it for good.

Extra-biblical prophecy always has the same fatal flaw, whether one looks at Nostradamus or Malachy.  They 'prophesy' ACTIONS, not OUTCOMES.

Bible prophecy tells 'the end from the beginning'.  Nostradamus was able, according to his apologists, to foretell the rise of Hitler, but Nostradamus failed to prognosticate Hitler's defeat.  Malachy's prophecies are similarly vague and open to broad interpretation.

Satan is a master counterfeiter and he wants nothing less than to be worshiped as God.  He is also capable of 'prophecy' in the sense that he has his own master plan and his own timetable.  The difference with Satan is that not everything always goes exactly to plan, since he is a created, and therefore, fallible, being.

But it is no stretch to say he was capable of influencing Hitler's rise as part of his master plan, or that he could have 'inspired' Nostradamus to 'predict' it.  When the time was right, Satan just picked the closest match he could find, and let the human imagination fill in the blanks.

Neither would it be difficult for Satan to influence the decisions of the College of Cardinals to select the series of Popes who most closely fits Malachy's list.

Satan isn't infallible, but he can read the Bible as well as you or I can.  Plus he has the added advantage of six thousand years of manipulating mankind, and the Scriptures reveal that God originally blessed him with superior intelligence.

Pope Benedict was the Vatican's official Head Inquisitor and 'Defender of the Faith' until his elevation to the papacy.  The only actual connection between Benedict and the Olivetans is his choice of papal name.

But it comes close to fitting Malachy's prophecy, and it is no stretch to think Satan is as capable of influencing a papal candidate as he is of influencing any other mortal.  If Satan wanted Ratzinger to take the name 'Benedict', he could sure make it seem like it was a good idea at the time.

The same with John Paul II and the eclipses.  Satan can do the math and figure out solar eclipses in advance.  We can.  It then becomes a matter of picking the closest match and manipulating events to fit.

Here is what we know about our enemy: Satan is the universe's master deceiver.  His ultimate goal is to be received as God.  Only God is capable of prophecy.

But Satan has a counterfeit plan of his own, and he has had six thousand years to develop it.  St Malachy's 'prophecies' -- like other extra-biblical prophecies, are part of that overall plan to counterfeit the miracles of God, so that, one day,

"He as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2nd Thessalonians 2:4)

But Malachy's prophecies, counterfeit or not, do confirm what the Scriptures say in one respect.  It confirms that it isn't just Bible prophecy 'nuts' who believe we are in the last days.  It seems that Satan believes it, too.

In any case, we'll find out soon.  Pope Benedict has given his notice.  First. let's recap:

St. Malachy predicted the 110th Pope would be associated with a solar eclipse. John Paul II was born during a solar eclipse, and a solar eclipse occurred on the day of his funeral.  How weird is that?

St. Malachy assigned the 111th Pope "glory of the olive" whose name ultimately derives from the Mount of Olives in the New Testament.  The 111th Pope chose the name of the Benedictine Order.

The 112th Pope will be the last Pope (as assigned by St. Malachy).  If he chooses any name except Peter, then St. Malachy's predictive run will have completed its course and one more Vatican conspiracy will bite the dust.

". . . Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people.  The end."

On the other hand . . . if Malachy gets this one right, it will be just one more confirmation that we are living in the last of the last days before the Lord returns. 

 

Maranatha!   

Parting thought from Jan: Each day something takes place that reminds us how late the hour is. It is almost breathtaking!
We hope you are seizing the opportunity to 1) share your faith, and 2) encourage one another (Hebrews 10:25).

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« Reply #92 on: February 17, 2013, 07:35:15 pm »

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The 112th Pope will be the last Pope (as assigned by St. Malachy).  If he chooses any name except Peter, then St. Malachy's predictive run will have completed its course and one more Vatican conspiracy will bite the dust.

". . . Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people.  The end."

On the other hand . . . if Malachy gets this one right, it will be just one more confirmation that we are living in the last of the last days before the Lord returns. 


Disagreed - whether this "prophecy" comes to pass or not, Jesus Christ already gave us his word to discern and understand the signs of the times of the end. We already are witnessing alot of them now(events in Israel and Syria escalating very high, global economic collapse imminent, America being taken over from within, Apostasy in American/world churches at an all-time low, homosexual agenda slowly getting accepted, abortions at an all time high, entertainment media at an all time wickedness level, etc).

For example, did this 12/21/2012 prophecy not coming to pass stall bible prophecy at all? Absolutely NOT!

Mat 16:1  The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
Mat 16:2  He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
Mat 16:3  And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Mat 16:4  A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.


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". . . Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people.  The end."


Well, just for the sake of argument, this is already a false prophecy, why?

Act_14:22  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh_16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Christians have been going through alot of tribulations since the age of grace began 2000 years ago.(THE great tribulation happens in the last 7 years) It's not like it'll be some last Pope that will emerge and feed the sheep in the 3rd millenium after not being fed for 2000 some years. And whether you're pre trib or post trib, this won't be the case either, why? B/c with pre trib, believers will be snatched away before the great tribulation, and with post trib, believers will be beheaded.

Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11  Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Rev 13:15  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

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 Petrus Romanus - The Final Pope is here. We are witnessing prophecy unfold before our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict XVI is stepping down.

Join us for this special broadcast as we welcome back Tom Horn, co-author of Petrus Romanus (with Cris Putnam) and Steve Quayle to discuss this prophesized event.

Listened to 2/3 of this today - LONG, and not the world's biggest fans of Horn and Quayle(and they could have edited out at least 1 hour of mumble jumble), but nonetheless they gave out some very interesting stuff. Apparently representatives from all over the world will attend the appointment of the next Pope(I understood it as all world leaders, but not sure), and they talked a bit about the "Prometheus" movie and how it was really being pushed on the masses for conditioning. They also talked about the "alien" deception in detail.
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« Reply #93 on: February 17, 2013, 08:20:28 pm »


 whether this "prophecy" comes to pass or not

well the only people who are promoting this prophecy are Quayle and Horn, and quite frankly, they put out some good programs to listen too, none of the crap they put out is BIBLICAL!! I fully believe they ate closet catholics, especially Horn.

The one thing im hearing from people i listen to for real information about all of this and that i agree with, is that Malachy ISNT IN THE BIBLE!! its that simple. Pinto, Hoggard and some others all have said this snce this has come about and  fully agree with them. Malachy was a full blown 100% mary worshiping catholic. How could you possibly believe anything he has to say. and HELLO!! this is a prophecy from the catholic church!! Evan Satan knows what is coming.  Shocked  Roll Eyes  Cheesy
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well the only people who are promoting this prophecy are Quayle and Horn, and quite frankly, they put out some good programs to listen too, none of the crap they put out is BIBLICAL!! I fully believe they ate closet catholics, especially Horn.

The one thing im hearing from people i listen to for real information about all of this and that i agree with, is that Malachy ISNT IN THE BIBLE!! its that simple. Pinto, Hoggard and some others all have said this snce this has come about and  fully agree with them. Malachy was a full blown 100% mary worshiping catholic. How could you possibly believe anything he has to say. and HELLO!! this is a prophecy from the catholic church!! Evan Satan knows what is coming.  Shocked  Roll Eyes  Cheesy

Haven't listened to Hoggard's view, but Pinto did some solid audio explanations on this. In addition, my big gripe with alot of these end times ministries like Jan Markell's, Jack Kinsela's, etc(in article you posted above) is that they come off with rhetoric like "If Peter the Roman comes to pass, then we're living in the last days, but if the next Pope isn't Peter the Roman, then life will go on". No, I don't think they're trying to intentionally deceive, but at the same time they're over-thinking themselves and ending up misleading their listeners.

And yes, like said above, that program Horn/Quayle did recently was TOO long and drawn out(didn't bother finishing listening to it). With that being said, I don't think the AC/FP will involve the Pope.

Rev 17:16  And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the wh0re, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17  For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

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And yes, like said above, that program Horn/Quayle did recently was TOO long and drawn out(didn't bother finishing listening to it). With that being said, I don't think the AC/FP will involve the Pope.


why? That would be the perfect person as the catholic church encompasses EVERY mystery religion. The Pope can and has embraced every religion on the planet except Biblical Christianity. I can easily see the pope as a false prophet.
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« Reply #96 on: February 17, 2013, 09:17:14 pm »

why? That would be the perfect person as the catholic church encompasses EVERY mystery religion. The Pope can and has embraced every religion on the planet except Biblical Christianity. I can easily see the pope as a false prophet.

I got the impression from that passage of scripture that the wh0re of Babylon(the Vatican in Rome) will get destroyed when the beast/FP make their appearances. Yes, I believe the RCC is playing a big role now to help usher in the OWR, but ultimately they could be backstabbed(especially if the AC/FP are Muslim).

As for this "St Malachy prophecy" - looks like the MSM is running away debating this now.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtPj_8ZsHm1z70KPez1N52mbvZx4?fr=yfp-t-701-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=st%20malachy%20pope%20prophecy

We've been through this ad-nauseum before with Harold Camping, 12/21/2012, etc.
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« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2013, 12:26:09 am »

And less not forget about the infamous Mormon White Horse Prophecy as well - I remember Bill Cooper making a big deal out of it too(a long time ago, that is).

Yeah, so much for Alex and the alternative media claiming the election was going to be rigged for Romney. Roll Eyes
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If the pope is anything, it would be the False Prophet. The Antichrist I think will be either from the Middle East, a Muslim, or some unknown European.

Many predict or prophecy about all kinds of stuff, but like scripture says...

18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19  And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.
20  But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21  And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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« Reply #99 on: February 18, 2013, 09:40:51 am »

If the pope is anything, it would be the False Prophet. The Antichrist I think will be either from the Middle East, a Muslim, or some unknown European.

Many predict or prophecy about all kinds of stuff, but like scripture says...

18  I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19  And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.
20  But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21  And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 (KJB)


Good passage! And definitely one to keep in mind alot.
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Joh_5:43  I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-resignation-deepens-doubt-despondency-italians-152227911.html

Pope resignation deepens doubt, despondency for Italians

2/18/13

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's shock resignation has robbed Italians of the one element of certainty in a time of deep doubt, with the country beset by graft scandals and heading for an election that will not bring the radical change so many crave.
 
The pontiff has long been the one stable element for Roman Catholic Italians in a modern state that has become a byword for political instability and flawed politicians.
 
All that changed a week ago when Benedict announced he would be the first pontiff in 700 years to resign, causing alarm and despondency among many faithful in a country whose history has been shaped by the presence of the headquarters of the Church for 2,000 years.
 
"We are in a moment of social, ideological and cultural crisis and in a moment like that it is completely wrong for him to leave," said Emanuele Vitale, 22, a Sicilian student who joined around 100,000 people packed into St Peter's Square on Sunday for one of Benedict's last appearances before his resignation on February 28.
 
Another person in the square, pensioner Antonio Mingrone, 68, said: "It is unsettling. At a time when there are all these political conflicts and an economic crisis, it is one more thing weighing on our minds."
 
Outgoing Prime Minister Mario Monti, himself a devout Catholic, referred to the "disorientation" of Italians over the pope's decision. "It seems like an epoch is changing on both sides of the Tiber and we feel robbed of points of reference."
 
Massimo Franco, a leading Italian political commentator and author of several books on the Vatican, told Reuters: "The resignation adds instability to instability. The Church which was a source of stability is now a major source of instability.
 
"Today the Vatican is a sort of mirror of Italy," Franco said. "Before it was the opposite. Now there is a chaotic Italy and chaotic Vatican."
 
Italians will vote next Sunday and Monday in an election whose outcome is still unpredictable at a time when the country desperately needs firm and decisive government to address a major recession, stagnant growth and soaring unemployment.
 
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215

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Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican

(Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is absolutely necessary" that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a "dignified existence" in his remaining years.

Vatican sources said officials had three main considerations in deciding that Benedict should live in a convent in the Vatican after he resigns on February 28.

Vatican police, who already know the pope and his habits, will be able to guarantee his privacy and security and not have to entrust it to a foreign police force, which would be necessary if he moved to another country.

"I see a big problem if he would go anywhere else. I'm thinking in terms of his personal security, his safety. We don't have a secret service that can devote huge resources (like they do) to ex-presidents," the official said.

Another consideration was that if the pope did move permanently to another country, living in seclusion in a monastery in his native Germany, for example, the location might become a place of pilgrimage.

POTENTIAL EXPOSURE

This could be complicated for the Church, particularly in the unlikely event that the next pope makes decisions that may displease conservatives, who could then go to Benedict's place of residence to pay tribute to him.

"That would be very problematic," another Vatican official said.

The final key consideration is the pope's potential exposure to legal claims over the Catholic Church's sexual abuse scandals.

In 2010, for example, Benedict was named as a defendant in a law suit alleging that he failed to take action as a cardinal in 1995 when he was allegedly told about a priest who had abused boys at a U.S. school for the deaf decades earlier. The lawyers withdrew the case last year and the Vatican said it was a major victory that proved the pope could not be held liable for the actions of abusive priests.

Benedict is currently not named specifically in any other case. The Vatican does not expect any more but is not ruling out the possibility.

"(If he lived anywhere else) then we might have those crazies who are filing lawsuits, or some magistrate might arrest him like other (former) heads of state have been for alleged acts while he was head of state," one source said.

Another official said: "While this was not the main consideration, it certainly is a corollary, a natural result."

After he resigns, Benedict will no longer be the sovereign monarch of the State of Vatican City, which is surrounded by Rome, but will retain Vatican citizenship and residency.

LATERAN PACTS

That would continue to provide him immunity under the provisions of the Lateran Pacts while he is in the Vatican and even if he makes jaunts into Italy as a Vatican citizen.

The 1929 Lateran Pacts between Italy and the Holy See, which established Vatican City as a sovereign state, said Vatican City would be "invariably and in every event considered as neutral and inviolable territory".

There have been repeated calls for Benedict's arrest over sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

When Benedict went to Britain in 2010, British author and atheist campaigner Richard Dawkins asked authorities to arrest the pope to face questions over the Church's child abuse scandal.

Dawkins and the late British-American journalist Christopher Hitchens commissioned lawyers to explore ways of taking legal action against the pope. Their efforts came to nothing because the pope was a head of state and so enjoyed diplomatic immunity.

In 2011, victims of sexual abuse by the clergy asked the International Criminal Court to investigate the pope and three Vatican officials over sexual abuse.

The New York-based rights group Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and another group, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), filed a complaint with the ICC alleging that Vatican officials committed crimes against humanity because they tolerated and enabled sex crimes.

The ICC has not taken up the case but has never said why. It generally does not comment on why it does not take up cases.

NOT LIKE A CEO

The Vatican has consistently said that a pope cannot be held accountable for cases of abuse committed by others because priests are employees of individual dioceses around the world and not direct employees of the Vatican. It says the head of the church cannot be compared to the CEO of a company.

Victims groups have said Benedict, particularly in his previous job at the head of the Vatican's doctrinal department, turned a blind eye to the overall policies of local Churches, which moved abusers from parish to parish instead of defrocking them and handing them over to authorities.

The Vatican has denied this. The pope has apologized for abuse in the Church, has met with abuse victims on many of his trips, and ordered a major investigation into abuse in Ireland.

But groups representing some of the victims say the Pope will leave office with a stain on his legacy because he was in positions of power in the Vatican for more than three decades, first as a cardinal and then as pope, and should have done more.

The scandals began years before the then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope in 2005 but the issue has overshadowed his papacy from the beginning, as more and more cases came to light in dioceses across the world.

As recently as last month, the former archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Roger Mahony, was stripped by his successor of all public and administrative duties after a thousands of pages of files detailing abuse in the 1980s were made public.

Mahony, who was archbishop of Los Angeles from 1985 until 2011, has apologized for "mistakes" he made as archbishop, saying he had not been equipped to deal with the problem of sexual misconduct involving children. The pope was not named in that case.

In 2007, the Los Angeles archdiocese, which serves 4 million Catholics, reached a $660 million civil settlement with more than 500 victims of child molestation, the biggest agreement of its kind in the United States.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the pope "gave the fight against sexual abuse a new impulse, ensuring that new rules were put in place to prevent future abuse and to listen to victims. That was a great merit of his papacy and for that we will be grateful".

(Reporting by Philip Pullella; Additional reporting by Robin Pomeroy; Edited by Simon Robinson and Giles Elgood)

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Scott so nails this and exposes Tom Horn, Chris Putnam and Steve Quayle.


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End Time Current Events: 2-17-13-Part 1

Table of Contents:
 » Pope Resigns & the Malachy Prophecy
 » Tom Horn, Cris Putnam & Raiders News Network are at it again: Promoting the Catholic Death Cult and its “Prophets” as an “End Time” Source of Truth

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End Time Current Events: 2-17-13–Part 2
 
Table of Contents:
 » Cardinal Peter Turkson Has Emerged As The Oddsmakers 3-to-1 Favorite to become the Next Pope
 » A Sign From Above? Lightning Strikes Vatican On Pope’s Shock Resignation
 » Anglicans seeking full communion with Rome: We Are In a Particular Way Spiritual Children of Benedict XVI
 » Pope accused of crimes against humanity by victims of sex abuse
 » The Most Evil Pictures of Pope Benedict (Suitable for Framing or an 8X10 Glossy-Sarcasm)
 » Open Letter and Appeal to Giorgio Napolitano, President of the Republic of Italy from Kevin D. Annett, Secretary of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
 » Reuters Bombshell Report: Roman Church admits the Pope’s Guilt: Joseph Ratzinger to Evade Justice and will hide out in the Vatican for his own legal immunity and “protection” against being convicted on Catholic, pedophilic sex crimes cover-up
 » Benedict XVI the Vatican Last Tsar: Final despotic acts-Vatican jails: worldwide locations
 » Benedict XVI’s Role in Global Ecumenism
 » As Pope Benedict XVI prepares to leave office, one Jewish journalist takes a hard look backward to the Pope’s attitude toward Jews.
 » POPE JOHN PAUL II — 25 YEARS OF CONTINUING TRADITION OF THE PAGAN SUN GOD WORSHIP
 » Catholicism & Freemasonry both are Sun Worship / Phallic Baal Worship.

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Yeah, while Horn, Putnam, and Quayle didn't explicitly embrace the RCC, their rhetoric sure made it clear they had nothing but kind things to say about this cult. They were pretty subtle, to say the least.
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Yeah, while Horn, Putnam, and Quayle didn't explicitly embrace the RCC, their rhetoric sure made it clear they had nothing but kind things to say about this cult. They were pretty subtle, to say the least.

they also support gap theory and an ancient Earth and do not support the KJB
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-may-change-conclave-rules-abdication-vatican-130553697.html

Pope may change conclave rules before leaving: Vatican

2/20/13

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict may change Church rules governing the conclave where cardinals from around the world will meet next month to secretly elect his successor, the Vatican said on Wednesday.
 
Benedict was studying the possibility of making changes to two laws established by his predecessor Pope John Paul before he abdicates on February 28, a spokesman said.
 
The changes may affect the timing of the start of the conclave.
 
Spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Benedict was considering making changes that would "harmonize" two documents approved by his predecessor.
 
One governs the period while the papacy is vacant, known as the "Sede Vacante," and another is more specific about the running of the conclave after it begins.

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Rev 17:10  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


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I believe verse 17 talks of the beast being a spirit. Notice it says " and is not", so how could that be? If you are not physically a part of the 7, then you must have some part spiritually/same mind, or an actual eighth person which is most likely.

He being, "is the eighth", shows he's not actually one of the seven, but a separate entity. Being "of the seven" to me says he's of the same mind as the seven kings, or rather those seven have the evil mind of the eighth person, the beast himself.

It appears to me that these "seven" are periods of rule rather than specific people. So these "kings", or periods of rule, are stretched out over time, the end being, "the other is not yet come".

12  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13  These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.
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The persons to watch as a group are these 10 with "no kingdom" that receive power as kings, but their position will be short or limited, and what power they have, they put in support of the beast.

I'm personally not sure if these 10 are part of a group, are separate individuals, or are some group of countries, etc. because it says they receive the power, which suggest they as a group are somehow elevated or are esteemed people of society, or singled out from different disciplines, or briefly given some kind of authority they normally don't have. Sounds almost like a group of people that are specifically picked to act in some official capacity on behalf of the beast.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry

2/21/13

Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper

Pope's staff decline to confirm or deny La Repubblica claims linking 'Vatileaks' affair and discovery of 'blackmailed gay clergy'


A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.

The pope's spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign – the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called "Vatileaks" affair.

Last May Pope Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

According to La Repubblica, the dossier comprising "two volumes of almost 300 pages – bound in red" had been consigned to a safe in the papal apartments and would be delivered to the pope's successor upon his election.

The newspaper said the cardinals described a number of factions, including one whose members were "united by sexual orientation".

In an apparent quotation from the report, La Repubblica said some Vatican officials had been subject to "external influence" from laymen with whom they had links of a "worldly nature". The paper said this was a clear reference to blackmail.

It quoted a source "very close to those who wrote [the cardinal's report]" as saying: "Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments."

The seventh enjoins against theft. The sixth forbids adultery, but is linked in Catholic doctrine to the proscribing of homosexual acts.

La Repubblica said the cardinals' report identified a series of meeting places in and around Rome. They included a villa outside the Italian capital, a sauna in a Rome suburb, a beauty parlour in the centre, and a former university residence that was in use by a provincial Italian archbishop.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said: "Neither the cardinals' commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this."

He added that interpretations of the report were creating "a tension that is the opposite of what the pope and the church want" in the approach to the conclave of cardinals that will elect Benedict's successor. Another Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, alluded to the dossier soon after the pope announced his resignation on 11 February, describing its contents as "disturbing".

The three-man commission of inquiry into the Vatileaks affair was headed by a Spanish cardinal, Julián Herranz. He was assisted by Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and the Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, who once headed the Vatican's department for missionaries.

Pope Benedict has said he will stand down at the end of this month; the first pope to resign voluntarily since Celestine V more than seven centuries ago. Since announcing his departure he has twice apparently referred to machinations inside the Vatican, saying that divisions "mar the face of the church", and warned against "the temptations of power".

La Repubblica's report was the latest in a string of claims that a gay network exists in the Vatican. In 2007 a senior official was suspended from the congregation, or department, for the priesthood, after he was filmed in a "sting" organised by an Italian television programme while apparently making sexual overtures to a younger man.

In 2010 a chorister was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. A few months later a weekly news magazine used hidden cameras to record priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex.

The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals. But it teaches that gay sex is "intrinsically disordered". Pope Benedict has barred sexually active gay men from studying for the priesthood.
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Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
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http://news.yahoo.com/british-cardinal-skip-papal-conclave-113659642.html

2/25/13

British Cardinal to skip papal conclave

LONDON (AP) — Cardinal Keith O'Brien, Britain's highest-ranking Catholic leader, says he is resigning as archbishop in the wake of misconduct allegations and will be skipping the conclave to elect a successor to Pope Benedict XVI.
 
The cardinal said in a statement Monday that he will not attend because he doesn't want media attention focused on him during the important session in Rome.
 
Experts said the decision not to attend the papal conclave is unprecedented; never before has a cardinal stayed away from a conclave because of personal scandal, according to Vatican historian Ambrogio Piazzoni, the vice prefect of the Vatican library.
 
The Vatican confirmed that O'Brien had resigned as archbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh. It was accepted under the code of canon law due to O'Brien's age; he turns 75 — the normal retirement age for bishops — on March 17.

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2/25/13

Pope changes Catholic law to allow earlier start for conclave

Pope Benedict has changed Catholic Church rules to allow the conclave that will choose his successor to be held earlier if cardinals are ready, the Vatican said Monday.

In a motu proprio – in effect, a personal decree – he introduced modifications to the laws governing the timing of the secret election, which had been due to begin on March 15 or later.

Pope Benedict XVI officially stands down from his role on Feb 28, having resigned earlier this month citing his own failing health.

A conclave – the behind-closed-doors ballot of cardinals – cannot begin within 15 days of the papacy becoming vacant; in this case, March 15.

But the amendment to that rule, announced on Monday and reported by Vatican Radio, means the process could begin earlier if all the eligible cardinals arrive in Rome sooner
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The date of the conclave's start is important, The Associated Press reported, because Holy Week begins March 24, with Easter Sunday March 31. In order to have a new pope in place for the church's most solemn liturgical period, he would need to be installed by Sunday, March 17 — a tight timeframe if a conclave were to start March 15.

The number of cardinals eligible to take part reduced by one, from 117 to 116, on Monday after the sudden departure of Britain’s most senior Roman Catholic, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who is facing allegations from priests of “inappropriate behavior.”

The Observer newspaper reported Sunday that the Vatican had been notified of the allegations, which stretch back 30 years.
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« Reply #112 on: February 26, 2013, 04:03:42 pm »

Nothing new here, but nonetheless elections and appointments to high offices are pre-determined years in advanced(ie-Obama as far back as the 80's here), so it looks like maybe Turkson is the one the NWO people are introducing in advance.

http://news.yahoo.com/ghanas-turkson-irish-bookmakers-favorite-pope-211535402--finance.html

2/26/13

Ghana's Turkson is Irish bookmakers' favorite for new pope

LONDON (Reuters) - Ghana's Peter Turkson is the Irish bookmakers' favorite to replace Pope Benedict, putting a non-European in pole position to lead the 1.2 billion-member Roman Catholic Church for the first time in more than a millennium.
 
Irish bookmaker Paddy Power offered odds of 11/4 against for Turkson, meaning successful punters would win 11 pounds for every four staked, while Britain's second largest bookmaker Ladbrokes offered odds of 5/2 against.
 
Turkson would be the first non-European to lead the Catholic church in more than a millennium if he is chosen to succeed Benedict. Italian Angelo Scola is second favorite according to Paddy Power at 3/1 against.
 
"Pope Benedict quitting leaves a tall hat to fill - let's just hope God gives him a good reference for his next job," a Paddy Power spokesperson said in a statement. "As for the betting, the real action kicks off now."
 
The new pope will inherit a Church scarred by Vatileaks and by child abuse scandals in Europe and the United States, both of which may have weighed on Benedict's decision to decide he was too old and weak to continue the papacy.
 
The pope has two days left before he takes the historic step of becoming the first pontiff in some six centuries to step down instead of ruling for life.
 
Betting on the new pope earlier in February had ranked Nigeria's Cardinal Francis Arinze and Canadian Marc Ouellet alongside Turkson in a three 'cardinal' race.
 
Some 115 cardinals will enter a closed-door conclave at the Vatican in March.
 
"While Turkson and Scola are currently out in front, let us not forget those fabled words ‘he who enters the conclave as Pope, leaves it as a Cardinal'," the Paddy Power spokesman said.
 
Paddy Power said Turkson has attracted the highest number of bets, accounting for 15 percent of the market and is shouldering the biggest single bet of 5,000 pounds ($7,600).
 
The head of the Vatican's justice and peace department, the Ghanaian has been tipped as Africa's frontrunner in a contest heavy with speculation that a Latin American or African could be elected as chief of the 1.2 billion-strong Catholic population.
 
While Canada's Ouellet is still in the running at 7/1 according to Ladbrokes, Arinze's standing at both bookmakers has sunk to 25/1.
 
Paddy Power said that betting on who will be elected as the new pope is set to become the largest non-sporting market in its history. It said it had taken 300,000 pounds on "pope betting".
 
Dark horses include a fictional character from Irish sitcom Father Ted, the simple-minded Father Dougal McGuire, who has attracted nine more bets than real-life Brazilian Cardinal Claudio Hummes. ($1 = 0.6608 British pounds)
 
(Reporting by Sarah Young; Editing by Guy Faulconbridge and Jon Hemming)
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/leading-catholic-blogger-sees-more-193122726.html

2/27/13

Leading Catholic Blogger Sees More Evidence That The Pope Is Gay

Pope Benedict XVI will officially retire at 8 p.m. tomorrow, but his retirement package is raising a few eyebrows — and resurrecting rumors about his sexuality.
 
Rather than decamp to some monastery in Germany as many expected, Benedict will instead stay living in the Vatican.
 
CNN reports he will be living in the Mater Ecclesiae (Mother of the Church) building, which formerly housed a cloistered convent in the Vatican gardens. He will be referred to as the "emeritus pope" and keep wearing the white — though he will lose his trademark red shoes, perhaps wearing a pair of "handcrafted brown loafers" instead, the WSJ reports.
 
One detail that has caused particular scrutiny is that the Pope will continue to live with his trusted secretary Archbishop Georg Ganswein, who will also be head of the new Pope's household — from the sounds of it, working two jobs.
 
The Vatican denies that Ganswein working for both the old Pope and the new Pope will cause any conflict of interest. But there's a more scandalous question as well, as put forward by Andrew Sullivan, perhaps the best-known Catholic blogger in America, today:
 
So Benedict’s handsome male companion will continue to live with him, while working for the other Pope during the day. Are we supposed to think that’s, well, a normal arrangement?
 
Sulivan, a gay man himself, has raised the question of the Pope's sexuality before (he doesn't suggest that the Pope has acted upon his sexual urges, we should note).
 
In 2010 he wrote that "it seems pretty obvious to me ... that the current Pope is a gay man," and went on to describe his reasoning:
 
When you look at the Pope's mental architecture (I've read a great deal of his writing over the last two decades) you do see that strong internal repression does make sense of his life and beliefs. At times, it seems to me, his gayness is almost wince-inducing. The prissy fastidiousness, the effeminate voice, the fixation on liturgy and ritual, and the over-the-top clothing accessories are one thing. But what resonates with me the most is a theology that seems crafted from solitary introspection into a perfect, abstract unity of belief. It is so perfect it reflects a life of withdrawal from the world of human relationship, rather than an interaction with it. Of course, this kind of work is not inherently homosexual; but I have known so many repressed gay men who can only live without severe pain in the world if they create a perfect abstraction of what it is, and what their role is in it.
 
Sullivan isn't exactly alone in his suspicions. He points towards a book by Angelo Quattrocchi (playfully titled "The Pope is Not Gay") that he felt reached similar conclusions. In addition, former Benedictine monk-priest and author Richard Sipe claims to have spoken to a number of Roman clerics and members of the Roman press corps who were "convinced" that Benedict XVI was gay.
 
Of course, it doesn't help the rumors that Ganswein has become something of a star in his own right. He's been dubbed the "The George Clooney of the Vatican,” and appeared on the cover of the Italian Vanity Fair under the headline “It’s no sin to be good looking.” Donatella Versace has even dedicated a menswear collection to him.
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The pope and his boy toy, secretary Archbishop Georg Ganswein, "the George Clooney of the Vatican"


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INFALLIBLE NO MORE: Benedict vows obedience to next pope...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21612229

Flies to papal retreat in helicopter...
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http://news.yahoo.com/posters-promoting-african-pope-appear-rome-081219758.html

3/2/13
Posters promoting African pope appear in Rome

ROME (Reuters) - Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana is not "running" for pope but he clearly has supporters who think enough of him that they have plastered posters with his picture around Rome.
 
"Vote Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson at the conclave!," was written in bold on posters above a photograph of the cardinal, a favourite among bookmakers to succeed Benedict, who on Thursday became the first pope in six centuries to resign.
 
The posters were plastered over banners that had been used for candidates in Italian elections earlier this week.
 
Unlike the Italian parliamentary election, candidates for the papacy cannot launch public campaigns, suggesting the poster came from Turkson fans or maybe even pranksters.
 
Cardinals will meet in a closed-door conclave in the Sistine Chapel in about 10 days, a gathering where their choice is said to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and not earthly politics.
 
Turkson would be the first non-European to lead the Catholic Church in more than a millennium if he elected.
 
But an old Roman saying warns about campaigning, even indiscreetly, to become pope or even trying to predict the outcome of conclaves.
 
It goes: "He who enters a conclave as pope, exits as a cardinal".
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Just to add to the conspiracy, i have not watched this yet but think it is interesting



The title says: "In my opinion the final pope in already in power . Tarcisio Peter Bertone from rome has filled the conclave with Cardinals from Italy . Tarcisio is also an anagram for Iscariot , as in Judas Iscariot !"
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New pope 'to pledge to serve until death'

CARDINALS plan to ask the next pope to pledge in his inaugural address that he will serve until his death, unlike Benedict XVI, whose resignation, they believe, has destabilised the Catholic Church.

Doubts have emerged about the impact of Benedict's decision as the cardinals begin a series of meetings, known as general congregations, to discuss the church's future.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/new-pope-to-pledge-to-serve-until-death/story-fnb64oi6-1226589454799
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« Reply #119 on: March 03, 2013, 02:24:40 pm »

Very interesting video - yeah, either way, they probably already have the new Pope groomed and ready many moons ago, alot like the elections here where they pre-determine the leaders way in advance.

Just to add to the conspiracy, i have not watched this yet but think it is interesting



The title says: "In my opinion the final pope in already in power . Tarcisio Peter Bertone from rome has filled the conclave with Cardinals from Italy . Tarcisio is also an anagram for Iscariot , as in Judas Iscariot !"
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