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« Reply #150 on: March 13, 2013, 02:37:19 pm »

When NPR was profiling potential popes in 2005, the year Benedict was chosen, it wrote that Bergoglio was:

"Trained as a chemist ... became a priest when he was 32 and an archbishop in 1998. Bergoglio is a Jesuit, which would make him an unusual and perhaps controversial choice for the papacy. His academic credentials abound: He pursued theological studies in Germany, has published three books and has served as grand chancellor of The Catholic University in Argentina. Bergoglio has been praised as being a 'good pastor' with a 'strong capacity for governance with unusual gifts of humility.' Indeed, the archbishop shuns a chauffeur-driven limousine, in favor of public transportation."
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« Reply #151 on: March 13, 2013, 02:38:08 pm »

Francis I: 'Brothers and sisters, thanks for the welcome. Tomorrow I will pray that Mary safeguard Rome. Good night. Good rest' - @CatholicNewsSvc Story metadata:

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« Reply #152 on: March 13, 2013, 02:45:53 pm »

Jorge Mario Bergoglio: 5 Facts About the First Latin American Pope

1) He is from Argentina.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the first Latin American pope, an Argentine cardinal born in Buenos Aires.

2) He represents change.

The front-runner for the position was Italy's Angelo Scola, a European cardinal, but this selection sends a message that the Church is ready to change and embrace Catholics in new countries, in the developing world.

3) He opposes abortion, but is more tolerant on gay issues.

He believes the Church should oppose abortion and is against homosexuality, but also things gay people should be treated with respect.

4) He preaches passion for the poor.

He is critical of corruption in Argentine, is seen as a man of the people, and often walks through the streets of Buenos Aires amongst the people.

5) He has a Jesuit background.

He is one of five children, born to Italian parents, and studied at a Jesuit school.

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« Reply #153 on: March 13, 2013, 03:58:30 pm »



they are all the same...
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« Reply #154 on: March 13, 2013, 04:18:43 pm »

Italian parents, eh? Go figure. Them pesky Jesuits! When was the last time they had a Jesuit pope?
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« Reply #155 on: March 13, 2013, 04:31:28 pm »

Italian parents, eh? Go figure. Them pesky Jesuits! When was the last time they had a Jesuit pope?

he is the very first one. or so they say...
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« Reply #157 on: March 13, 2013, 07:50:04 pm »

When NPR was profiling potential popes in 2005, the year Benedict was chosen, it wrote that Bergoglio was:

"Trained as a chemist ... became a priest when he was 32 and an archbishop in 1998. Bergoglio is a Jesuit, which would make him an unusual and perhaps controversial choice for the papacy. His academic credentials abound: He pursued theological studies in Germany, has published three books and has served as grand chancellor of The Catholic University in Argentina. Bergoglio has been praised as being a 'good pastor' with a 'strong capacity for governance with unusual gifts of humility.' Indeed, the archbishop shuns a chauffeur-driven limousine, in favor of public transportation."

It seems like Germany has played a big role for the Vatican for a very, very, very long time. N@zi Germany isn't the only example. Remember Tichendorff(sp) was this German Protestant "scholar" who helped do the Pope's bidding in helping to get out these corrupt Alexandrian texts like it was fact...among other examples. Guess we shouldn't be surprised that this new Pope did his theological "studies" in Germany.

1) He is from Argentina.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the first Latin American pope, an Argentine cardinal born in Buenos Aires.

Now this caught my attention b/c being the 1st Latin American Pope - anyone else find it NOT a coincidence that his appointment is around the same time the American government(backed by the NWO minions, that is) is pushing for immigration reform/NAU now? And to boot, all of the Churchianity denominations, including the corrupt Southern Baptist Convention is playing their part helping to push for this. It's as if the Vatican has a much bigger voice now in all of this.

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2) He represents change.

Now where have we heard THIS before? Roll Eyes

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3) He opposes abortion, but is more tolerant on gay issues.

He believes the Church should oppose abortion and is against homosexuality, but also things gay people should be treated with respect.

Come to think of it, don't recall any of the previous Popes being "more tolerant on gay issues"...whatever that means. Of course they play both sides of the issues, so all of this about "they oppose abortion and gay marriage" is all moot.

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4) He preaches passion for the poor social justice.

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5) He has a Jesuit background.

Yep - first the House of Congress appointed the first Jesuit priest as chaplain...guess we should have seen this one comin...and not listen to all that nonsense Horn and Quayle have been pushing for a long time.

Speaking of Horn and Quayle, don't be surprised to see them come out and yell, "Jesus's 2nd Coming won't happen until another 25 years b/c Petrus Romanos hasn't been appointed yet!". Roll Eyes
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« Reply #158 on: March 13, 2013, 09:51:06 pm »

Look at the time stamp on this article - TEN HOURS ago...uhm...wasn't it Noon Central then, and the new Pope's name wasn't announced then? Yeah, all of this is pre-determined way ahead of time, then they throw in this dog and pony show.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-reflects-spanish-speaking-catholics-importance-church-161606915--politics.html
3/13/13(10 hours ago)
New Pope Reflects Spanish-Speaking Catholics' Importance to the Church

The selection of Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina, a 76-year-old Jesuit who is an advocate for the poor, as the first pontiff from outside Europe should please many U.S. Catholics, almost 30 percent of whom are of Hispanic or Latino heritage.
 
Of seven news organizations surveyed about the selection process prior to the conclave, only two—the Associated Press and NBC—had listed the Jesuit cardinal from Buenos Aires as a possible pontiff.
 
A Reuters interactive that rated the possibilities did not even include the priest now called Francis I.

Early analysis of the selection of Bergoglio, born in Argentina to an Italian railroad worker and his wife, indicates he may be a compromise candidate who was runner-up to the cardinal who became Benedict in the last conclave, but Francis is certain to please many Spanish-speaking Catholics.
 
Argentina's last census placed its total population at 37 million, 70 percent of which are Catholic.
 
A Population Reference Bureau map, which shows its most recent numbers (from 2004) and projections through 2050, indicates that Latin America and the Caribbean as a collective region is 83 percent Catholic; South America has almost 455 million Catholics, or 42 percent of the world’s total number.
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« Reply #159 on: March 13, 2013, 09:53:39 pm »

Speaking of Horn and Quayle, don't be surprised to see them come out and yell, "Jesus's 2nd Coming won't happen until another 25 years b/c Petrus Romanos hasn't been appointed yet!". Roll Eyes

here is the prophecy:

Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.

How do you know he isnt Peter the Roman? His parents both were Romans, he was just born in a different country. For all we know, while growing up he could have been called something that connects him to the name. Them again, as Pope he is in Peters place, and since the real Peter was NEVER in Rome, that would make the Pope Peter the Roman. I read earlier, i havent had time to look into it, but one of his names means earthen or rock, something like that.

If this s all one big plow by the Catholics, m sure they have some way to make this work.

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here is the prophecy:

Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.

How do you know he isnt Peter the Roman? His parents both were Romans, he was just born in a different country. For all we know, while growing up he could have been called something that connects him to the name. Them again, as Pope he is in Peters place, and since the real Peter was NEVER in Rome, that would make the Pope Peter the Roman. I read earlier, i havent had time to look into it, but one of his names means earthen or rock, something like that.

If this s all one big plow by the Catholics, m sure they have some way to make this work.

Very interesting, never thought of that...
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« Reply #161 on: March 14, 2013, 03:48:33 am »

This is from Tom Horns site, an update...

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Petrus Romanus is here!
 
This is a rush script from Raiders News Update and we’ll be able to give you more information as we analyze this fantastic fulfillment of prophecy.
 
1. To start with, remember as we have told audiences repeatedly, the only thing needed to fulfill the Prophecy of the Popes would be a Cardinal of Italian descent and the new Pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the son of Italian parents (Roman).
 
2. Even more important is that he is the first Jesuit Pope ever (or at least for a very long time, we are researching this) and this is a VERY important aspect of the prediction in our book because we said the name "Petrus Romanus" from the prophecy "implies this pope will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church and will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world" (Petrus Romanus pgs 437-438). Concerning the Jesuits, their order was organized "to stop Protestantism from spreading and to preserve communion with Rome and the
successor of Peter..."
 
Also note this from Wikipedia:
 
The 35th General Congregation of the Society of Jesus convened on 5 January 2008 and elected Fr. Adolfo Nicolás as the new Superior General on 19 January 2008. A month after, the Pope (Benedict) received members of the General Congregation and urged them to "to continue on the path of this mission in full fidelity to your original charism" and asked them to reflect so as "to rediscover the fullest meaning of your characteristic 'fourth vow' of obedience to the Successor of Peter." For this, he told them to "adhere totally to the Word of God and to the Magisterium's task of preserving the integral truth and unity of Catholic doctrine." This clear identity, according to the Pope, is important so that "many others may share in your ideals and join you effectively and enthusiastically." The Congregation responded with a formal declaration titled "With New Fervor and Dynamism, the Society of Jesus Responds to the Call of Benedict XVI", whereby they confirmed the Society's fidelity to the Pope.
 
As a Jesuit, Bergoglio also makes the perfect Pope to fulfill our second book's (Exo-Vaticana) Chardinian Jesuit predictions who have been secretly arguing in favor of a coming an alien savior (MUCH MORE ON THAT WITH THE BOOK RELEASE NEXT WEEK).
 
Also note this Pope was elected on 3-13-13 at 8:13 (phenomenally occult numerology) Vatican time while specifically on this date (13th) Pan-STARRS (Pan-demonium, all the demons) appeared close to the moon, even silhouetting it according to SPACE.com stargazing columnist Geoff Gaherty, an astronomer with the Starry Night Education night sky software company.
 
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All dictators are "advocates of the poor". It's how they get into power and scam the public into accepting all kinds of "social changes". Maybe he took a lesson or two from Chavez, another, however dead he is, "champion of the people". Roll Eyes

God knows I'd love to spend some time with the pope, one on one, with no thug handlers present. I realize I'm just one man, and God will take of things, but I'd sure love to "reprove, rebuke, and exhort" that reprobate for awhile.
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/peres-invites-new-pope-to-pop-over-for-visit/
3/14/13
Peres invites new pope to pop over for visit

President says pontiff will be welcomed as ‘a man of inspiration who can add to the attempt to bring peace in a stormy area’


The white smoke had barely dispersed from over the Vatican Thursday morning when President Shimon Peres invited the new pope for a visit to Israel, asking him to contribute to peace as a spiritual, rather than a political, leader.
 
“He’ll be a welcome guest in the Holy Land, as a man of inspiration who can add to the attempt to bring peace in a stormy area,” Peres said during a meeting with the leaders of the Catholic Church in Poland on Thursday. “All people here, without exception, without difference of religion or nationality, will welcome the newly elected pope.”

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Careful what you ask for! A certain "spiritual" leader will certainly arise and not make things better for Israel, but much worse.
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http://news.yahoo.com/israel-welcomes-pope-friend-jews-205216572.html

Israel welcomes new pope as friend of the Jews
3/14/13

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli leaders are welcoming the selection of Pope Francis and calling him a friend of the Jewish people.
 
President Shimon Peres invited the new pope to follow the lead of his two predecessors and visit Israel. In a meeting with Roman Catholic Church leaders in Poland Thursday, Peres called Francis "a man of inspiration that can add to the attempt to bring peace in a stormy area."
 
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is sure the "excellent relations" between Jews and Christians as well as between Israel and the Vatican will continue.
 
Israel's chief rabbinate also welcomed the appointment, saying Pope Francis' "good relations with the Jewish People are well known."
 
The former archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, has been chosen as the 266th pope.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-pope-tied-to-argentinas-dirty-war.html
New Pope Tied to Argentina’s Dirty War
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March 14, 2013
 
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the former Archbishop of Buenos Aires who was elected Pope by the papal conclave on Wednesday, was intimately involved in Operation Condor’s “Dirty War” in South America.
 
A product of Chile’s DINA secret police and five other national security states in Latin America — Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay – Operation Condor was an intelligence operation designed to monitor, assassinate and disappear leftist dissidents who threatened the bankster economic operation underway in South America.

The brutal dictator of neighboring Chile, Gen. Augusto Pinochet, went so far as to export his murder operation to the United States. On September 21, 1976, a former minister of the Chilean Allende government — overthrown in a CIA sponsored coup — was murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C., along with his American aide, Ronni Moffitt.
 
Business Insider mentions an article by Hugh O’Shaughnessy posted on the London Guardian website on January 4, 2011. He takes the Catholic Church to task for the role it played in Operation Condor and, ultimately, the disappearance and murder of over 30,000 South Americans. He cites Argentine author Horacio Verbitsky, who documented the summary execution of thousands of political dissidents. The preferred method of murder was to push dissidents from airborne Argentine military planes into the waters of the Rio de la Plata or the Atlantic Ocean.
 
[Verbitsky] recounts how the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circumstances Bergoglio’s name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment.
 
Biographer Sergio Rubin described Bergoglio’s behavior not so much as complicity as pragmatism. “Rubin said failing to challenge the dictators was simply pragmatic at a time when so many people were getting killed, and attributed Bergoglio’s later reluctance to share his side of the story as a reflection of his humility,” the Associated Press reported on Wednesday after the 76-year old “austere Jesuit intellectual” was elected pontiff.
 
Moreover, a human rights lawyer, Myriam Bregman, tried to bring Bergoglio to court for the role he allegedly played in the betrayal of two Jesuit priests kidnapped and handed over to an Argentine death squad. The priests were instructed “to leave their pastoral work” following divisions within the Society of Jesus, a Catholic order controlled by the Argentine elite. The Jesuits made the fatal mistake of criticizing the Catholic Church and its close relationship to the military junta (see Michel Chossudovsky‘s article on Pope Francis and the connection to Operation Condor and the Dirty War).
 
“Bergoglio twice invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court, and when he eventually did testify in 2010, his answers were evasive,” El Mundo reported in November, 2010.
 
Bergoglio Led Church During Economic Reign of Chicago Boys
 
Bergoglio headed up the Catholic church during the successful effort by the globalists to dismantle Argentina’s economy.
 
The country’s military dictatorship was supported by Wall Street bankers and David Rockefeller. “One of the key appointments of the military junta (on the instructions of Wall Street) was the Minister of Economy, Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz, a member of Argentina’s business establishment and a close friend of David Rockefeller,” writes Michel Chossudovsky. “The neoliberal macro-economic policy package adopted under Martinez de Hoz was a ‘carbon copy’ of that imposed in October 1973 in Chile by the Pinochet dictatorship under advice from the ‘Chicago Boys’, following the September 11, 1973 coup d’Etat and the assassination of president Salvador Allende.”


Under the helm of Minister of Economy Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz, central bank monetary policy was largely determined by Wall Street and the IMF. The currency market was manipulated. The Peso was deliberately overvalued leading to an insurmountable external debt. The entire national economy was precipitated into bankruptcy.
 
The IMF and World Bank wrecking ball accomplished its task in South America with predictable result — massive misery, poverty, malnutrition and death.
 
“Pinochet did not destroy Chile’s economy all alone,” writes Greg Palast of the disaster that unfolded in Chile. “It took nine years of hard work by the most brilliant minds in world academia, a gaggle of Milton Friedman’s trainees, the Chicago Boys. Under the spell of their theories, the General abolished the minimum wage, outlawed trade union bargaining rights, privatized the pension system, abolished all taxes on wealth and on business profits, slashed public employment, privatized 212 state industries and 66 banks and ran a fiscal surplus.”
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-cant-escape-argentinas-dark-past-192320988.html
Pope Francis Can't Escape Argentina's Dark Past
By Dashiell Bennett | The Atlantic Wire – Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

The world is still learning much about the life and history of Pope Francis, and now the Vatican finds itself having to directly confront the most troubling story from his early life in Argentina. On Friday, the Catholic Church was forced to deny charges that then-Cardinal Bergoglio was complicit in the state-sponsored terrorism during Argentina's "Dirty War" of the 1970s and early 1980s. The Vatican spokesperson said "There has never been a credible, concrete accusation against him," and the charges "reveal anti-clerical left-wing elements that are used to attack the Church."
 
Bergoglio was still a young priest when the a military junta took over the country in 1967 and began a vicious campaign of terror and murder in attempts to crush an underground rebellion. The period is called the Dirty War, because rather than battles fought in the open, the military dictatorship relied on kidnappings, terror, and other brutal tactics to clamp down on revolutionaries. (Although there were certainly accusations of atrocities on both sides.) Tens of thousands of Argentine citizens were "disappeared"—kidnapped off the streets or from their homes, and often tortured or thrown in prison, before being killed outright. There were even instances of victims being thrown from moving airplanes into the ocean, while still alive. Simply being suspected of having sympathy for the other side was enough to condemn you.

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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-lauded-interfaith-dialogue-221930300.html
Pope Francis lauded for interfaith dialogue
By ALMUDENA CALATRAVA and DAMIAN PACHTER | Associated Press – 4 hrs ago.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — The election of Pope Francis has thrilled Jewish leaders in Argentina, who predict that their friend will continue to foster warm relations and open dialogue between Catholicism and other faiths during his pontificate.
 
They've seen it firsthand as recently as December, when then-Buenos Aires Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio lit the first candle on the menorah at Temple NCI-Emanu El during a Hanukkah ceremony.
 
"He's got a very deep capacity for dialogue with other religions," Rabbi Alejandro Avruj told The Associated Press on Monday, recalling the moment. "He spoke of light as renovation, of the re-inauguration of the temple of Jerusalem 2,200 years ago, and the need to carry light to the world."
 
As Tuesday's papal installation ceremony draws dozens of Jewish, Orthodox and other Christian leaders to the Vatican, those who knew Bergoglio in his previous role say he considered healing divisions between religions a major part of the Catholic Church's mission.
 
"He's the one who opened the cathedral of Buenos Aires for interfaith ceremonies, like when we prayed for peace. He's not one of those who waits for you to call them to participate in these events — he promotes them," said Avruj, who met Bergoglio after both leaders launched projects in the same slum in a gritty area of southern Buenos Aires.
 
Bergoglio brought leaders of the Jewish, Muslim, evangelical and Orthodox Christian faiths into the Metropolitan Cathedral to pray for peace in the Middle East last November. "Everything is lost with war, everything is gained through peace," Bergoglio said then. "With peace wins victory and respect."
 
The archbishop also welcomed Jews for a joint service on the 74th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the night in 1938 when nearly 200 synagogues were destroyed, Jewish shops were looted and tens of thousands of Jews were sent to be exterminated in Adolf Hitler's Germany.
 
And he also sponsored interfaith prayers after Pope Benedict XVI offended Muslims in 2006 by quoting a Byzantine emperor as saying some of the Prophet Muhammad's teachings were "evil and inhuman."
 
That time, rather than criticize Benedict directly, Bergoglio let a lower-ranking priest lead a service in which he himself did not participate. But leaders of other religions were impressed nonetheless.
 
This dialogue between religions "isn't just a photo op," Omar Abboud of the Islamic Center of the Argentine Republic said then. "It's a genuine and well-reasoned commitment under construction, because we know that we cannot get by without this dialogue."
 
Guillermo Borger, president of the Argentine-Israelite Mutual Association, said Bergoglio came often to the association's headquarters, which was rebuilt on the site of Argentina's worst terrorist attack, the still-unsolved 1994 bombing that killed 85 people. "We're sure that given the sensitivity that Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, had here, I really believe that he'll continue to support us.
 
"We've spoken often about this idea of the power of working together, and we expect that he'll continue to do it this way as pope, this way of acknowledging the past so that finally we might achieve justice. ... We've had long talks about this and we're absolutely on the same page."
 
One rabbi who is particularly close to Francis is Abraham Skorka, whose friendly debates over religion, politics and social issues with the archbishop became so enjoyable that they decided to invite a writer with a tape recorder along. Their dialogues were published in 2010 as "On Heaven and Earth." Then, the two men kept it up on a program each Friday on the Archdiocesan TV channel.
 
"Is it true that Argentines don't want dialogue?" Bergoglio asks in the book. "I wouldn't say so. Rather, I think we succumb as victims of attitudes that don't permit us to have dialogue: arrogance, not knowing how to listen, hostility in our speech, attacking the messenger and so many others. Dialogue is born from an attitude of respect toward the other person, from a conviction that the other has something good to say."
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Pope Francis Supported Civil Unions as Cardinal
3/20/13

When Argentina was on the verge of legalizing gay marriage in 2010, Pope Francis - then Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires - suggested the church support civil unions, according to news reports published at the time.
 
"We don't have a fanatic vision," his spokesman, Federico Wals, told Argentina's Infonews in 2010. "What we are asking is that the laws are respected. We believe that we must propose more comprehensive civil union rights than currently exist, but no gay marriage."
 
Faced with the likelihood that gay marriage would be legalized, Bergoglio, then head of the Argentina Bishop's Conference, suggested during a meeting with bishops in 2010 that the church support civil unions in the country. The idea was rebuked by the bishops, Pope Francis' authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, told the Associated Press.
 
PHOTOS: Pope Francis Through the Years
 
With civil unions, which were already legal in parts of Argentina, off the table, Bergoglio became the public face of the battle against the proposed gay marriage legislation proposed by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
 
In Argentina, where three-quarters of the country is Catholic but only 19 percent said they regularly attended Mass, according to a 2010 Pew study, Bergoglio encouraged the faithful to protest the legislation, which needed parliamentary approval.
 
In a letter asking for prayer from Argentine monasteries, Bergoglio called same sex marriage "an attempt to destroy God's plan" and likened gay adoption to a form of discrimination against children.
 
Despite his efforts, the law passed in July 2010, making Argentina the first country in South America to recognize same-sex marriage equality.
 
Kirchner, who has been a progressive force in the country and once called Pope Francis' views "medieval," met privately with the new pontiff Monday at the Vatican. The two had previously clashed on measures such as mandatory sex education in schools, free distribution of contraceptives in public hospitals and the right for transsexuals to officially change their identities.
 
But all tensions were put aside, at least temporarily.
 
"I saw him serene, confident, at peace, calm and also busy and concerned, not just about the enormous task that will be governing the Vatican State, but also about the commitment to changing the things he knows must change," she said at a news conference after the meeting.
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Evangelical Leaders Luis Palau and Rick Warren Salute Pope Francis – What Are the Implications?
3/19/13
Several Christian media outlets are announcing the “friendship” between evangelical mega-evangelist Luis Palau and the new Jesuit Pope who was elected at the Vatican in Italy this past week. Headlines are letting Christians know that one of their most popular evangelists has a special relationship with “Pope Francis.”

Palau is not the only evangelical leader to send his praises and words of support to the new pope. Rick Warren sent out a message on his “Twitter” account just prior to the election, “Join me today in praying and fasting for the 115 Cardinals seeking God’s will in a new leader,” and after the election Warren tweeted “Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, #HabemusPapam ["We have a pope!"] You have our prayers.” Christians who look at things from a biblical point of view and take into consideration biblical prophecy about the last days will have a difficult time not being concerned about the implications of Christian leaders exhibiting a kind of comradeship with the Roman Catholic leader. As Lighthouse Trails and Understand the Times have attempted to warn believers about the ecumenical, interspiritual one-world religion that is coming, once again we see the lethargy regarding spiritual deception within the ranks of Christian leaders.

While behaving with Christian charity toward the Pope and praying for him (as we should for all people) is not a bad thing in and of itself, Luis Palau and Rick Warren’s ongoing minimizing of the extreme differences between biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism is. Over the years, the Palau crusades have included Catholic counselors for those coming forward to receive Christ, and Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven movement has offered Catholic-focused programs. This goes beyond the scope of reaching out to Catholics with the Gospel of Jesus Christ and negates Scripture that tells Christians to be discerning and speak up against false teachings.

In an interview with Luis Palau on Relevant magazine website, talking about his friendship with the new pope, Palau stated: “I think that’s the emphasis he is going to bring to the papacy: That the Gospel is primary, that we must emphasize it and especially with youth.”1 But just what “Gospel” will the pope actually emphasize? Will the true Gospel of Jesus Christ be able to be emphasized when it is shrouded in Masses, Eucharists, Transubstantiations, Marian apparitions, and a “new” evangelization program that seeks to bring back the “lost brethren” to the “Mother” church? To understand more clearly the concerns that Lighthouse Trails and Understand the Times share, please read some of our material on just what Roman Catholicism teaches. We do not have any animosity toward Catholics themselves, but we do see the Roman Catholic church as a body of deception, leading millions away from the Gospel with a “justification by works” false gospel and a eucharistic christ that is “another Jesus.”

Below is just one of many headlines by Christian media boasting of Luis Palau’s relationship with the Pope.

“Luis Palau: New Pope Francis a Friend of Evangelicals”

By Anugrah Kumar
Christian Post

Evangelist Luis Palau, who knows and has prayed together with Pope Francis on several occasions, called the new leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics a friend of evangelicals who is respectful of all sides of Christianity.

“I exploded,” Palau told oregonlive.com, of his reaction after his son, Kevin Palau, president of the Luis Palau Association, shared the news that Jorge Mario Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos Aires, was elected pope this week. “I just couldn’t believe it. In the last election, he was in the running but he told me he felt led by God to remove himself from the race. I said, ‘Maybe next time,’ and he said, ‘I’ll be too old.’”

The fiery preacher who some have called the “Latin Billy Graham,” said whenever they prayed together, Bergoglio asked him to “lay your hands on me and pray for me, that God will keep me as servant.” The new pope is respectful of all sides of Christianity, Palau said, adding the press referred to him as the “evangelical pope” in 2008. Click here to read more.
 
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i have to see this one



Tom Horn and Cris Putnam join Gary Stearman as they discuss how the new pope does in fact validate St. Malachy's prophecy of the popes.
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-urges-dialogue-islam-says-world-must-more-103919637.html
3/22/13
Pope urges dialogue with Islam, more help for the poor

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis urged the West on Friday to intensify dialogue with Islam and appealed to the world to do more to combat poverty and protect the environment.

Speaking in Italian, the new pontiff said richer countries should fight what he called "the spiritual poverty of our times" by re-forging links with God.

"How many poor people there still are in the world! And what great suffering they have to endure!" he told the diplomats in the Vatican's frescoed Sala Regia.

Some critics of the Catholic Church, which has been struggling with scandals and internal divisions, say its rejection of contraception in particular harms the poor.

Others say it does much good in the developing world, running thousands of hospitals, schools, orphanages and hospices.

Francis made his appeal in an address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, sending a message through them to the leaders of the 180 states with which the Vatican has diplomatic relations.

He urged them to help keep religion central in public life and promote inter-religious dialogue as a catalyst for efforts to build peace.

"In this work (peace building), the role of religion is fundamental. It is not possible to build bridges between people while forgetting God," he said.

"But the converse is also true: it is not possible to establish true links with God while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam."

Francis, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, said he was grateful that many Muslim religious and civilian leaders attended his inaugural Mass on Tuesday
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DIALOGUE, NOT RIVALRY

Dialogue, he said, "should help to build bridges connecting all people, in such a way that everyone can see in the other not an enemy, not a rival, but a brother or sister."

He underlined the importance of defending the poor when he explained why he had decided to take the name of St. Francis of Assisi, who is associated with austerity and help for the poor.

"Fighting poverty, both material and spiritual, building peace and constructing bridges: these, as it were, are the reference points for a journey that I want to invite each of the countries here represented to take up," he said
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In his speech, the pope thanked Christians in the developing world "who dedicate themselves to helping the sick, orphans, the homeless and all the marginalized, thus striving to make society more humane and just".

African Catholics have said they want the new pope to champion traditional Church teachings, such as opposing contraception, abortion and same-sex marriage.

Since his election, Francis has drawn attention to the need to defend nature and included it in his speech to the diplomats.

"Here too, it helps me to think of the name of (Saint)Francis, who teaches us profound respect for the whole of creation and the protection of our environment, which all too often, instead of using for the good, we exploit greedily, to one another's detriment," he said.

Francis has set the tone for a humbler papacy. The Vatican said he will hold a Holy Thursday ceremony next week in the chapel of a youth prison instead of in the Vatican or a Rome basilica where it has been held before.

He has also begun inviting outsiders to attend his morning Mass, something which Pope John Paul II did but which Benedict XVI, who is now "pope emeritus", discontinued.

On Thursday, France invited staff of the Santa Martha residence in the Vatican and on Friday it was the turn of Vatican gardeners to attend the morning Mass in the chapel of residence, a spokesman said.

On Saturday, Francis will fly to the papal summer retreat south of Rome to visit Benedict, who last month became the first pope in 600 years to abdicate instead of ruling for life, saying he no longer had the strength to carry out his mission.

(Reporting By Philip Pullella; Editing by Hugh Lawson)
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http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletters/2013/newsletters20130319.htm#1
Pope Francis – Spiritually “Founded” on a Contemplative Tradition

“Francis is a Jesuit and his long, arduous formation as a priest was founded on the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius.” – UK Telegraph

“To think that the leader of the Catholic Church is one who follows in the tradition of Ignatius, whose life has been devoted to finding God in all things.” – Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities

LTRP Note: As we stated in a recent article, Contemplative Spirituality – the Source of the Catholic Church’s Expansion,” contemplative prayer (mysticism) is the tool used to grow the Catholic church. It is also the tool that is drawing all religions together (though called different things in different religious traditions: Sufism, Kabbalah, Samadhi, etc.). In the UK Telegraph article below, the subtitle reads “The power of prayer is bringing Canterbury and Rome together after 500 years.” The article says that Pope Francis’ spirituality is based on the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.

The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius are named after the founder of the Jesuit Order, and have typically been used by Catholics. However, according to one source, “beginning in the 1980s, Protestants have had a growing interest in the Spiritual Exercises. There are recent (2006) adaptations that are specific to Protestants which emphasize the exercises as a school of contemplative prayer.” Traditionally, Ignatian Spirituality is practiced in a retreat center setting usually with the assistance of a spiritual director. As with other contemplative practices, it is believed that if the Ignatian exercises are practiced, the practitioner can conquer self and become more Christ-like (this is why Ignatian Spirituality is often included in Spiritual Formation programs). There is much that could be said here about Spiritual Formation but we will reserve that for another time.

It is correct to say that Ignatian Spirituality is part of contemplative spirituality. We could give many examples but one case in point to illustrate this would be James Wakefield’s book, Sacred Listening: Discovering the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius Loyola (Baker Books, 2006). We discuss certain aspects of Wakefield’s book in our The Jesuit Agenda booklet tract. Right now, we’d like to draw your attention to his book to show its ties with contemplative spirituality. The book includes instructions on various contemplative practices such as lectio divina and quotes and references several contemplative advocates, including Tilden Edwards. Edwards, the co-founder of the panentheistic Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington DC. made the revealing statement that “This mystical stream [contemplative prayer] is the Western bridge to Far Eastern spirituality” ( Spiritual Friend, p. 18). It couldn’t have been said more accurately, which is precisely why Lighthouse Trails continues its efforts to warn about contemplative spirituality.

When one considers how evangelical leaders such as Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, Focus on the Family, Beth Moore, and many others have promoted contemplative spirituality for many years now, is it really any wonder that Protestants and Catholics are being drawn together? Couple that with efforts such as the Manhattan Declaration (endorsed by numerous Christian figures and organizations) that drew evangelicals and Catholics together from a “moral issues” point of view, and separation between the two didn’t have a standing chance. Put it all together, and the evangelical church is in big trouble. Remember the price that many believers had to pay for breaking away from the Roman Catholic church. They paid with their blood and lives. What would they be saying to us now if they were standing here with us?

For further documentation that Pope Francis is founded on contemplative practices, a statement was issued from the AJCU (Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities) reaffirming the pope’s “Ignatian spirituality,” stating that:

All Jesuits share the experience of a rigorous spiritual formation process marked by a transformative experience with the Spiritual Exercises of Saint Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits. To think that the leader of the Catholic Church is one who follows in the tradition of Ignatius, whose life has been devoted to finding God in all things, and who is committed to the service of faith and the promotion of justice, fills me with great hope. This is a great day for the Jesuits and the worldwide Church. (source)

Article from the UK Telegraph:

“A new Pope, a new Primate and a new life for Christianity”

The power of prayer is bringing Canterbury and Rome together after 500 years
 by Charles Moore
UK Telegraph

So far, the combined media knowledge of Pope Francis has not been impressive. We, the public, have been told that he likes travelling on public transport, that he played a controversial role among his fellow Jesuits in the years of the Argentine military dictatorships, and that he “is a conservative but cares for the poor” (that “but” tells you the politics of most ecclesiastical reportage). That’s about it.

I know that the Catholic Church is a huge global organisation, so lots of its cardinals, including Pope Francis, have the cheek to come from funny, faraway places. But one feels that if Jorge Bergoglio had been an Argentine footballer rather than an archbishop, plenty of experts would have been on hand to impart useful information. When it comes to religion, our media are very provincial. We project on to it our Western obsessions, which are mainly sexual. We are alarmed by its breadth and its depth.
more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9932996/A-new-Pope-a-new-Primate-anda-new-life-for-Christianity.html
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Pope Francis’ Pectoral Cross EXPOSED

Another point to notice is his pectoral cross, which is pictured below.The pectoral cross looks even more disturbing form a distance and some see similarities to the mummy Osiris, the EGYPTIAN “god of the afterlife, underworld, and dead.”

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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-refers-muslim-brothers-good-friday-001145243.html
3/29/13
Pope refers to "Muslim brothers" on Good Friday

ROME (AP) — Pope Francis reached out in friendship to "so many Muslim brothers and sisters" during a Good Friday procession dedicated to the suffering of Christians from terrorism, war and religious fanaticism in the Middle East.

The new pontiff, who has rankled traditionalists by rejecting many trappings of his office, mostly stuck to the traditional script during the nighttime Way of the Cross procession at Rome's Colosseum, one of the most dramatic rituals of Holy Week.

With torches lighting the way, the faithful carried a cross to different stations, where meditations and prayers were read out recalling the final hours of Jesus' life and his crucifixion.

This year, the prayers were composed by young Lebanese, and many recalled the plight of minority Christians in the region, where wars have forced thousands to flee their homelands. The meditations called for an end to "violent fundamentalism," terrorism and the "wars and violence which in our days devastate various countries in the Middle East."

Francis, who became pope just over two weeks ago, chose, however, to stress Christians' positive relations with Muslims in the region in his brief comments at the end of the ceremony.

Standing on a platform overlooking the procession route, Francis recalled Benedict XVI's 2012 visit to Lebanon when "we saw the beauty and the strong bond of communion joining Christians together in that land and the friendship of our Muslim brothers and sisters and so many others."

"That occasion was a sign to the Middle East and to the whole world, a sign of hope," he said.

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Feet washing? You have to admit, this new Pope is doing some things that are really grabbing the world's attention...

http://news.yahoo.com/popes-foot-wash-final-straw-traditionalists-004235548.html
Pope's foot-wash a final straw for traditionalists
3/29/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has won over many hearts and minds with his simple style and focus on serving the world's poorest, but he has devastated traditionalist Catholics who adored his predecessor, Benedict XVI, for restoring much of the traditional pomp to the papacy.

Francis' decision to disregard church law and wash the feet of two girls — a Serbian Muslim and an Italian Catholic — during a Holy Thursday ritual has become something of the final straw, evidence that Francis has little or no interest in one of the key priorities of Benedict's papacy: reviving the pre-Vatican II traditions of the Catholic Church.

One of the most-read traditionalist blogs, "Rorate Caeli," reacted to the foot-washing ceremony by declaring the death of Benedict's eight-year project to correct what he considered the botched interpretations of the Second Vatican Council's modernizing reforms.

"The official end of the reform of the reform — by example," ''Rorate Caeli" lamented in its report on Francis' Holy Thursday ritual.

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For some reason my cell can't copy/paste the text from the article  but it is about "7 Fascinating Facts We Have Learned About The Pope."

http://theweek.com/article/index/242061/7-fascinating-things-weve-learned-about-pope-francis

It has been two and a half weeks since the world was introduced to Pope Francis, and his unexpected promotion to the head of the Roman Catholic Church was met with a flurry of quick profiles. We learned, for example, that he is a Jesuit, lived in a small apartment and cooked his own meals, had a complicated relationship with Argentina's former military dictatorship, and has only one lung.

Then, most of us moved on to other things, as the new pope was officially installed in his position and started sending signals about what kind of a pontiff Pope Francis will be. What have we learned? Well, so far "it might seem as if Pope Francis is in a bit of denial over his new job as leader of the world's 1.2-billion Catholics," says the Associated Press' Nicole Winfield. "Or perhaps he's simply changing the popular idea of what it means to be pope, keeping the no-frills style he cultivated as archbishop of Buenos Aires in ways that may have broad implications for the church."

So, as the new pontiff presides for the first time over the holiest weekend of the Christian calendar, here are seven things we've learned about him so far:

1. He's not moving into the papal palace
Pope Francis has shown his desire to keep up the humble lifestyle he cultivated in Argentina in several ways: He showed up to pay his own pre-conclave hotel bill in person, personally called his newspaper carriers in Buenos Aires to cancel his subscriptions, frequently talks about the need for priests from the pope on down to serve the people, and spent Holy Thursday washing the feet of young inmates at a detention center outside Rome, instead of cleaning priests' feet (or delegating the washing) in Rome's ornate churches, as previous popes have done. But his highest-profile move has been his decision to live in a small suite in the Vatican hotel, the Casa Santa Marta, instead of the opulent 12-plus-room papal apartment on the top floor of the Apostolic Palace.

There will "be no 16th-century polished marble floors or roof terrace with unmatched views of Rome" for the "least popey Pope in papal history," says Simon Usborne at Britain's The Independent, at least not outside of office hours: Francis will use the papal apartment as his workspace, to receive official guests and handle papal business. But he'll live in the antiseptic, institutional hotel with other guests, eating in a communal dining room and celebrating mass with Vatican groundskeepers, domestic staff, and other low-level workers — "for now," says Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi. "We'll see how it works."

"Beyond seeking a humbler set-up — not to mention a home-base that's less isolating and, perhaps, easier to sneak out of as he sees fit," says Rocco Palmo at Whispers in the Loggia, the move highlights another aspect of this "unique papacy: Unlike his predecessors since time immemorial, the pontiff has no personal household of aides and domestics who've come with him to the Vatican." Without an entourage to share the spacious papal apartment with, Pope Francis would have been living in a big house by himself.

2. Francis is no "Prada Pope"
The new pope's austerity is particularly notable as a contrast to his predecessor, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, who "was known in Italian media as the Prada Pope thanks to his custom-made red slippers," says The Independent's Usborne. And it wasn't just the red shoes and ermine vestments: As soon as Benedict became pope in 2005, he "commissioned 200 architects and specialist builders to renovate the appartamento pontificio," including putting in a "high-spec German kitchen."

Francis is keeping his black shoes, foregoing the red cape popes usually wear, and "his reluctance to change too much extends under the white cassock," too, says Whispers in the Loggia's Palmo: Francis' simple sartorial choices "don't just make his move to keep wearing black pants visible through the garment, but likewise highlight the untucked tails of his white dress-shirt." He's also keeping the iron-plated pectoral cross he used as archbishop, and his papal fisherman's ring isn't gold but gold-plated silver, made from a mold created for Pope Paul VI.

3. He sees himself as a bishop, not a king
One of the things that might prevent the new pope from rejecting "the pomp and ceremony that surrounds his 2,000-year-old office" is the name he inherited, says Peter Stanford in Britain's The Guardian: "His full title is 'bishop of Rome, vicar of Jesus Christ, successor of St Peter, prince of the apostles, supreme pontiff of the universal church, patriarch of the west, primate of Italy, archbishop and metropolitan of the Roman province, sovereign of the state of Vatican City.'" That's a mouthful when "you are busy telling people you are at their service."

He still goes by "Bergoglio" to his closest friends, says the AP's Winfield, and signs his official correspondence "Francis." When it comes to how he sees his papacy, perhaps the biggest titular clue came when he was announced to the world as pope and said his fellow cardinals had given "Rome a bishop." As it turns out, "bishop of Rome is the title he has emphasized repeatedly ever since — not vicar of Christ, or any of his other official titles."

4. Francis might be stubborn enough to take on the Curia
Everybody is focusing on the pope's personal austerity and humility, but people overlook his "management experience in his native Argentina as head of the Jesuit province and chairman of the national bishops conference," says Reuters' Tom Heneghan. He's been described as an attentive and personable boss, but also one who is "demanding, has little patience for bureaucracy, and appoints talented assistants." His predecessor, Benedict, was not a good manager, and it showed, in a leak-prone and feudal Vatican bureaucracy, or Curia. "The first hint Francis gave of plans to change the Curia came three days after his election when he reappointed its top bureaucrats temporarily rather than permanently, as Benedict did after being elected in 2005."

Francis' "success at defining himself as himself on the world stage has come thanks to a less visible, yet equally key trait of the 266th pope: His steely sense of determination," says Palmo at Whispers in the Loggia. We haven't seen too much of that trait yet, but "its early quiet flashes are merely shaping up as a sneak preview of the battle of wills which is almost certain to define his pontificate."

5. He's a pretty deft politician
Francis' "sharp political skills have long been apparent to Argentines," and he's already deployed them as pope to win friends and influence people, says the AP's Debora Rey. That's true nowhere as starkly as in the "remarkable about-face" of his former nemesis, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. When Fernandez decided it was in her interest to ally herself with the Argentine pope, he reciprocated, granting her his first papal audience. This is a pretty clear "signal that when it comes to the populist governments of Latin America, he'll avoid the kinds of direct confrontations that feed divisive politics, and instead will seek to co-opt them as well, joining forces to help the poorest benefit from society."

6. He will focus on ecumenism
Another early motif of the Franciscan papacy is cooperation and reconciliation with other faiths. A remarkable number of religious leaders attended and even participated in his installation mass, and "in his March 20 audience with religious leaders, Francis sent an important signal about his view of the papacy and its relationship with other Christians," says the AP's Nicole Winfield. He greeted Patriarch Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians, as "my brother," and placed his chair on the floor along with all the other religious leaders. "Two days later, when Francis greeted diplomats accredited to the Holy See, his chair was up on a platform."

"To have a simpler view, less grandiose sense of the trappings of the papacy might be saying, 'I want to be able to relate to you at a different level,'" U.S. Greek Orthodox official Anton Vrame tells the AP.

7. He is driving his security detail "crazy"
If reporters and commentators are charmed by Pope Francis, he's causing headaches with the Vatican security service — the mix of Swiss Guards and Vatican police charged with protecting the pope. Pope Francis has ditched the bulletproof-glass-enclosed Popemobile the pontiff has used since Pope John Paull II was shot in 1981, riding around in an open-air white Mercedes jeep — and frequently getting out to greet the crowds. (See video below).

He's also mixing freely with crowds at churches and walking when his security detail wants him to go by car. It's hard to argue with a pope, so "as Curialists of every stripe tend to do, the guards have taken their case to the ultimate sounding board of life behind the walls: The Italian press," says Rocco Palmo. Anonymous security officials tell Italy's La Stampa that they are "seeking to adjust to the new style," but should Francis' habits not "normalize" after his first days, "it will make everybody crazy."
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Shroud of Turin goes on display amid new research

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Shroud of Turin went on display for a special TV appearance Saturday amid new research disputing claims it's a medieval fake and purporting to date the linen some say was Jesus' burial cloth to around the time of his death.

Pope Francis sent a special video message to the event in Turin's cathedral, but made no claim that the image on the shroud of a man with wounds similar to those suffered by Christ was really that of Jesus. He called the cloth an "icon," not a relic — an important distinction.

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