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« Reply #330 on: November 10, 2013, 05:51:25 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/u-bishops-select-leaders-pope-urges-focus-132216439.html
U.S. bishops to select leaders as Pope urges new focus
11/10/13

BALTIMORE (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops will choose new leaders at an assembly in Baltimore this week and possibly signal a new direction for the American church under the influence of Pope Francis.

The conference begins Monday and all eyes will be on whether the new leaders of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops continue vigorous opposition to gay marriage and to Obamacare's contraceptive mandate, or increase their push to help the poor and immigrants given Pope Francis' emphasis on social justice issues.

The new leaders also will be preparing for an "extraordinary synod" of bishops in Rome to discuss teachings related to the family. The Vatican has asked bishops and parish priests around the world about the local views on gay marriage, divorce and birth control ahead of the October 2014 meeting.

"Bishops have been stuck in a bunker fighting the culture war," said John Gehring, who was once in the conference's communications office and is now Catholic program director for Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group. "Pope Francis has said we can't just be known by what we oppose."

In an interview with a Jesuit journal published in September, Pope Francis said the church cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and must become more merciful or risk falling "like a house of cards."

Russell Shaw, a writer on Catholic issues and a former spokesman for the conference, said he doesn't think the bishops will back off on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, just as Francis has reiterated church teachings on these subjects. But they may shift their approach.

"They may make a greater effort to couple what they say about issues like that with messages of having a more pastoral tone, putting what they say about the questions of same sex marriage in a context of authentic and pastoral concern for same sex couples," Shaw said.

The bishops' conference has taken stands for immigration reform and anti-poverty programs under the leadership of New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan the past three years.

But it has been extremely vocal on "religious liberty" - protesting the Obama administration's mandate that required Catholic schools and hospitals to carry insurance that provides birth control, forbidden by church doctrine, for free. The push concerned some Catholics, who felt the church's leaders had become too aligned with the political right.

"What's been in the foreground has been their campaigns on gay marriage, abortion and their concerns on the contraceptive mandate," said Father Thomas Reese, a writer who is, like Francis, a Jesuit.

THE ELECTION

The conference broke with tradition in 2010, electing the outspoken conservative Dolan to a three-year term as president of the U.S. bishops group over then-vice president Gerald Kicanas of Tucson, Arizona, who was seen by some as more moderate.

Conference observers believe bishops will follow tradition this time and choose the current vice president, Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky. Kurtz is viewed as a reliable conservative who is well liked and effective.

The vice presidency is a more open field, though Reese believes Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles, a Mexican-born cleric may have an edge in part because he can speak Spanish, enabling him to speak to Francis without a translator.

Reese said Gomez also would prioritize immigration reform, which should please moderates, and is conservative enough for conservatives.


Baltimore Archbishop William Lori, chair of the group that has fought the healthcare mandate, and Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami, who is known to ride a motorcycle and is considered strong on poverty and immigration issues, also are on the list.
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« Reply #331 on: November 11, 2013, 08:57:04 pm »

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/popes-ambassador-tells-us-bishops-live-simply-20852178
11/11/13
Pope's Rep: US Bishops Shouldn't Preach Ideology
BALTIMORE November 11, 2013 (AP)

The Vatican ambassador to the U.S., addressing American bishops at their first national meeting since Pope Francis was elected, said Monday they should not "follow a particular ideology" and should make Roman Catholics feel more welcome in church.

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano noted the challenges from broader society to Christian teaching. He cautioned that the bishops' witness to faith would be undermined if they failed to live simply. Francis, in office for eight months, has captured attention for eschewing some of the pomp of the papacy, including his decision to live in the Vatican hotel and his use of an economy car.

"There has to be a noticeable lifestyle characterized by simplicity and holiness of life. This is a sure way to bring our people to an awareness of the truth of our message," said Vigano, the apostolic nuncio based in Washington.

"The Holy Father wants bishops in tune with their people," Vigano said, noting that he visited the pope in June. "He made a special point of saying that he wants pastoral bishops, not bishops who profess or follow a particular ideology."

In a September interview, Francis said Catholic leaders should give greater emphasis to compassion and mercy, arguing the church's focus on abortion, marriage and contraception has been too narrow and alienating. For the last several years, the public sessions of the fall bishops' assembly have centered on those hot-button social issues. This year's meeting gave the first glimpse of how that message was resonating among American leaders.

New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, dedicated his speech to persecuted Christians overseas, asking the bishops to make international religious freedom a top priority. He made only a passing reference to the bishops' own religious freedom campaign, and then only to say that their struggles "pale in comparison" to the plight of Christians and others overseas.

Dozens of Catholic charities and dioceses, along with evangelical colleges and others, are suing the Obama administration over a requirement that employers provide health insurance that includes contraceptive coverage. The bishops say the religious exemption to the rule violates the religious freedom of nonprofit and for-profit employers. The issue is expected to reach the Supreme Court.

Dolan said in a news conference his speech was not a shift away from that fight — but an expansion of it. "It's almost raised our consciousness to say we can't stop here," Dolan said.

But Mathew Schmalz, religious studies professor at College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass., said highlighting the fight with the Obama administration would be seen as out of step with Francis' message, especially at a time when the Vatican is moving away from a European focus. Francis is the first pope from Latin America.

"The bishops realize that they themselves are going to have to change their tone if they are to become more inclusive and complement the new tone coming from Pope Francis and the Vatican," Schmalz said. "There is definitely something going on here: The American hierarchy is going to have to change its style or be left behind."

The bishops had early in the meeting prayed for the thousands of victims of Friday's typhoon in the Philippines and also discussed the response to the disaster by Catholic Relief Services, the bishops' international relief agency.
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« Reply #332 on: November 12, 2013, 04:16:08 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/cardinal-dolan-defends-u-bishops-record-poverty-issues-030537463.html
U.S. Catholic bishops' new leaders concerned with poor
11/12/13

BALTIMORE (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops elected two centrist conservatives as new leaders on Tuesday, an archbishop from Kentucky and a Texas cardinal, both of whom expressed "solidarity" with Pope Francis' strong emphasis on the poor.

Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, 67, of Louisville, Kentucky was elected to a three-year term as president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, while Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, 64, of the Galveston-Houston diocese, was chosen as vice president.

Their election comes as Catholic bishops worldwide are being given new direction by Pope Francis, who has emphasized greater humility and more concern for poverty. The bishops oversee 69 million U.S. Catholics, or about a quarter of the country's population.

"I believe we are very much in solidarity with Pope Francis, and that is, his way of articulating clearly that we need not only to serve the voiceless and the vulnerable, but to be an advocate," Kurtz told reporters after his election.

Christopher Hale, senior fellow with Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, a progressive group that focuses on social justice issues, said he believes both Kurtz and DiNardo "will move the American Church in the direction Pope Francis desires."

Hale cited Kurtz's "long pastoral experience" and praised DiNardo as a "tireless leader on immigration reform. He knows firsthand the problems of a broken immigration system."

Kurtz's election was expected as he is finishing a three-year term as vice president. Known as a reliable conservative who is also well-liked, pragmatic and effective, he replaces New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, an outspoken and colorful conservative elected in 2010.

"It means consistency and with Kurtz a little more concern for the poor and with DiNardo a little more concern about immigration," said Thomas Reese, a Jesuit priest and senior analyst with the National Catholic Reporter. Reese noted that Kurtz has a degree in social work and had cared for a brother with Down syndrome.

SOCIAL ISSUES

Dolan's term has been marked by a strong emphasis on opposing gay marriage, abortion, and the Obama administration's mandate that required Catholic schools and hospitals to carry insurance that provides birth control, forbidden by church doctrine, for free.

Bishops under Dolan also took stands for immigration reform and anti-poverty programs, but some liberal Catholics have expressed concern that the overall tone had become too far right.

In an interview published in September, Pope Francis said the church cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and must become more merciful.

In remarks to reporters, Kurtz discussed the bishops' support of the "sanctity" of traditional marriage, the protection of the unborn and the importance of helping the poor and immigrants. He also connected moving people out of poverty with the strength of the family.

DiNardo noted that U.S. bishops have been advocating for immigrants for decades.

"I think we're at a good time now where this can be handled," DiNardo said. "I believe there are those on both sides of the aisle, notwithstanding there's still some bitterness, who can work together. We hope to be able to be catalysts."

DiNardo, head of a heavily Hispanic archdiocese of 1.2 million, was the only cardinal of the nine nominees for vice president.

The new leaders are preparing for an "extraordinary synod" of bishops in Rome in October 2014 to discuss teachings related to the family. The Vatican has asked bishops and parish priests around the world about the local views on gay marriage, divorce and birth control ahead of the meeting.

Barbara Dorris of the group SNAP, which represents victims of clergy sex abuse, expressed disappointment with Kurtz's election, saying he had not joined the ranks of 30 U.S. bishops who have posted on their web sites the names of "proven, admitted and credibly accused child molesting clerics." SNAP is short for Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
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« Reply #333 on: November 13, 2013, 03:26:56 pm »

It's as if Pope Frankie is making this a big sideshow from within - but then again, he's a Jesuit.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/13/catholic-fringe-defies-pope-disrupts-interfaith-kristallnacht-ceremony-at/
11/13/13
Catholic fringe defies Pope, disrupts interfaith Kristallnacht ceremony at Argentine cathedral

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina –  Some ultra-traditionalist Catholics in Argentina are openly challenging Pope Francis. Sunday night they disrupted one of his favorite events, an interfaith ceremony he celebrated each year as Buenos Aires archbishop to promote religious harmony.

A small group disrupted the event in the Metropolitan Cathedral, shouting the rosary and the "our Father" prayer and spreading pamphlets saying "followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple." Their leader, father Christian Bouchacourt of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Monday that the pope "is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept."

The annual ceremony brings together Catholics, Jews and Protestants to mark the anniversary of Kristallnacht, when 1,000 Jewish synagogues were burned in Nazi Germany, launching the Holocaust that killed 6 million Jews.
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« Reply #334 on: November 14, 2013, 03:32:11 am »

Talking about sideshow, the Vatican plans on displaying for the first time what they claim is Peter's bones.
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« Reply #335 on: November 14, 2013, 05:04:27 pm »

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/11/14/pope-franciss-life-is-in-danger-anti-mafia-judge-warns/
11/14/13
‘Pope Francis’s life is in danger,’ anti-mafia judge warns

Pope Francis’s life is in danger from ‘ndrangheta, Italy’s most feared crime group, a leading anti-mafia judge has said.

Nicola Gratteri, a magistrate in the southern city of Reggio Calabria, near ‘ndrangheta’s heartland, has said that Pope Francis’s crackdown on financial corruption in the Vatican, has angered bosses in the notorious crime squad.

Gratteri said: “I don’t know if organised crime is in the position to do something, but it’s certainly thinking about it. It could be dangerous.”

He said Francis was “on the right path” in attempting to clean out the stables at the Vatican.

But Mr Gratteri, who has written a book on the Church’s links to ‘ndrangheta, said the mob “that has until now profited from the power and riches derived directly from the church is nervous, agitated.”

Speaking to Il Fatto Quotidiano newspaper, he added: “Pope Bergoglio is dismantling centres of economic power in the Vatican. If the bosses can stop him they won’t hesitate.”

The Vatican spokesman was not available to comment.
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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-not-danger-mafia-vatican-says-192049217--abc-news-topstories.html
Pope Francis Not in Danger From Mafia, Vatican Says
11/14/13

The Vatican dismissed concerns today that Pope Francis could be a target of Italian organized crime because his reforms threaten what one mafia expert said were long-time ties between the church and criminal syndicates.

"There is no concrete reason that would lead us to worry. There is no reason to feed alarmism," the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican's press office, told ABC News. "We are very calm."

Recent news reports quoted Nicola Gratteri, a respected Italian anti-mafia prosecutor, as having said that the pope's drive to reform the Catholic Church was making organized-crime members "nervous." He added, "I cannot say if the organization is in a position to do something like this, but they are dangerous and it is worth reflecting on."

Pope Francis Through the Years

Gratteri has investigated the globally-powerful clan organization with roots in the Calabria region of Southern Italy called the 'Ndrangheta. He made these remarks on Italian TV channel RAINEWS24 when presenting his newly-released book "Holiest Water" about the Catholic Church and ties to the 'Ndrangheta criminal syndicate.

Gratteri also said that the pope was dismantling centers of economic power, like in the case of the Vatican bank, which was changing clan member's ability to do business with the alleged complicity of the clergy.

Although the number of high-profile killings by mafia organizations has declined in Italy since the 1990s, organized crime groups are still very much involved in prostitution, extortion and drug trafficking and they wield enormous economic power.

The major Italian clans include the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, the Camorra from the southern city of Naples and the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta, which is considered one of the most powerful and vicious. Their combined illegal activities, according to the United Nations, generate an annual turnover of $150 billion.

The pope has publicly embarked on a reform of the church and has said he wants a "poor church for the poor." In just a week has spoken out twice during his early morning mass homilies against corruption, bribes and "dirty" money.

This is not the first time he has targeted criminal activity in his speeches. In May soon after his election and a day after the Vatican beatified a Sicilian priest murdered 20 years ago by the Sicilian Mafia, Pope Francis spoke out against Cosa Nostra, accusing them of exploiting and enslaving people.

At his weekly Sunday prayer to the faithful, he called on members of the Italian organized crime to repent. His words, recalled soon-to-be-saint Pope John Paul II's words 20 years ago when during a 1993 pilgrimage to Sicily, John Paul angrily shouted his call to Mafia members to repent or face the judgment of God.

A number of Italian judicial investigations over the years, however, have documented the collusion of members of the clergy with illicit political power and organized crime. In the preface to the book prosecutor Gratteri writes "from the beginning of the 1800's the men of the 'Ndrangheta benefited from the silence and the indifference of the church (often because of their interest). The first official criminal complaints were only made in the 1950's when the first pastoral letters were written and the 'Ndragheta' was deemed a "ruinous cancer."

Pope Francis' simple style and wish to be in close contact with the faithful has alarmed some who worry about his security, but the Vatican has repeatedly said that there is no reason to be concerned. The pope himself has said that he wants to keep his contact with people, but that he does follow the advice of his body guards. Although discreet, the Vatican has a well-trained security team that watches the pope as he moves about within --and outside --Vatican walls.

Today in the latest sign of his desire to scale back the formality and security restraints of his office, he travelled in his Ford Focus car in a five-car motorcade through Rome's traffic with no siren and no special road blocks on his first state visit to the Italian president, Giorgio Napolitano. Two police motorcyclists drove alongside the pope's car in the motorcade through the streets as an escort. The Vatican had declined the traditional escort by presidential guard on horseback when planning the visit.

These state visits, normally full of pomp and involving large delegations, turned into a much quieter and less staid affair today. The pope was accompanied by a delegation of only eight cardinals and bishops. He conversed in a relaxed fashion as he walked slowly in pace with the 88-year old president and in yet another break from tradition, went up to embrace and bless the children of the palace's employees who were gathered to greet him.
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« Reply #337 on: November 15, 2013, 03:27:07 am »

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True, but not from some mafia assassin.
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« Reply #338 on: November 15, 2013, 12:43:33 pm »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/14/sarah-palin-pope-francis_n_4277402.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
11/14/13
Sarah Palin Apologizes For Remarks On Pope Francis Roll Eyes

Former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin apologized Thursday for her criticism of Pope Francis and his "liberal" statements.

"It was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis," Palin wrote Thursday on her Facebook page. "I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn't done mine yet on the Pope's recent comments as reported by the media."

**Uhm, he made these comments clear as day. What more "homework" do we have to do?

She continued, "I apologize for not being clearer in my response, thus opening the door to critical liberal media that does what it does best in ginning up controversy."

**You mean you regard Pope Frankie as a *conservative*? Roll Eyes

During a Tuesday interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Palin said she was taken "aback" by some of the Pope's remarks.

"He's had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me," Palin said. "Unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I’m not going to just trust what I hear in the media."

Read Palin's Facebook post below:

Just to clarify my comment to Jake Tapper about Pope Francis, it was not my intention to be critical of Pope Francis. I was reminding viewers that we need to do our own homework on news subjects, and I hadn't done mine yet on the Pope's recent comments as reported by the media. Knowing full well how often the media mischaracterizes a person’s comments (especially a religious leader’s), I don’t trust them to get it right when it comes to reporting on the Vatican. I do, however, trust my many Catholic friends and family, including some excellent Catholic writers, who have since assured me that Pope Francis is as sincere and faithful a shepherd of his church as his two predecessors whom I admired. I apologize for not being clearer in my response, thus opening the door to critical media that does what it does best in ginning up controversy.

- Sarah Palin

**Wow! Look at the pot calling the kettle black! Why are YOU(Ms. Palin) part of the MSM establishment? And since when has Catholicism been *conservative*? Roll Eyes

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« Reply #339 on: November 17, 2013, 04:10:28 pm »

Dont forget that Sarah Palin participated in witchcraft ceremonies inside her church,

‘Francis effect’ pulls crowds back to church

 POPE FRANCIS has inspired a surge in attendances and confessions in the Roman Catholic Church, reversing decades of decline.

In the eight months since he was chosen, cathedrals in Britain have seen a rise of about 20% in congregations, drawing in both new and lapsed members.

More than half of the priests surveyed in Italy said there had been a rise in support for the church. In Spain, the church has halted a decade-long slump in attendance.

Catholic leaders in the US, France and Latin America report growth in the faithful. In Argentina, the Pope’s home country, 12% more now define themselves as religious than before his appointment.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Society/article1341650.ece
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« Reply #340 on: November 17, 2013, 07:10:11 pm »

And there's also the rise of these seeker-sensitive megachurches - whose pastors like Rick Warren have close ties to the RCC. And these megachurches practice in this RCC witchcraft nonsense as well.

None of this is a coincidence(as we're seeing prophecy come to pass here).
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« Reply #342 on: November 18, 2013, 08:54:37 am »

Hadn't head that one.

I was thinking of Christine O'Donnell, Palin had a Kenyan Wich hunter, bless her. sorry about that. And i really question the which hunters "powers"...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #343 on: November 18, 2013, 11:00:46 am »

Hadn't head that one.

Palin attends a Pentecostal church. She did.

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« Reply #344 on: November 18, 2013, 03:38:32 pm »

I was thinking of Christine O'Donnell, Palin had a Kenyan Wich hunter, bless her. sorry about that. And i really question the which hunters "powers"...  Roll Eyes

Sorry, "heard".

So yeah, that was who came to mind when I read that. I figured I just hadn't read anything about it.

You have every right to question that witch's "power".

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« Reply #345 on: November 24, 2013, 08:32:51 am »

'A Pope Francis-Nancy Pelosi Catholic'

The media gushes over the Francis effect because it just means liberalizing the Church.


n a front-page Washington Post story about the soft style of Pope Francis, Gregory Popcak, who is described as a “marriage and family counselor on the radio and in private practice in Ohio,” related an anecdote about a client who quit therapy on the grounds that “I’m much more of a Pope Francis-Nancy Pelosi Catholic, and you’re an old-school, Pope John Paul II Catholic.”
 
That story, which is unfolding across many dioceses, captures the tediously trumpeted “Francis effect” perfectly. Nancy Pelosi, for that matter, illustrates the phenomenon. She too sees herself as a Pope Francis-Nancy Pelosi Catholic.  Pope Francis is “starting to sound like a nun,” she gushed recently, meaning presumably a silly and left-wing one.
 
Of course, the cardinal of Washington, D.C., Donald Wuerl,  another beaming expert on the Francis effect, keeps the Communion line open for Pelosi no matter how many unborn babies she votes to kill. Cardinal Raymond Burke, who is the foremost authority on canon law as the head of the Vatican Supreme Court, has said repeatedly that priests should deny her Holy Communion. But Wuerl refuses, saying, simultaneously, that denial isn’t “pastoral” and sniffing that Pelosi isn’t a member of “his flock.” That comically craven and contradictory copout is all one needs to know about the emptiness of “pastoral” Catholicism.
 
Meanwhile, the Pope Francis-Nancy Pelosi Catholics can’t stop thinking about tomorrow. The New York Times is positively giddy about the liberal destruction in store for the Church under Pope Francis. Bill Keller, its former executive editor, once described himself as a “collapsed Catholic.” Now its columnist Timothy Egan has coined a new description: “lapsed but listening.”
 
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,” predicted St. Paul of worldly Christians. Egan’s ears are certainly tickling at the relativistic noises of Pope Francis.

At long last, exults Egan, a New York Times-friendly liberal occupies the chair of St. Peter:
 
Pope Francis has shown himself to be a free spirit and a free thinker. He loves the music of Mozart, the paintings of Chagall, the films of Fellini. He tweets. He talks to atheists. He stays out of politics. He calls for the faithful to “mess up the church.” He doesn’t moralize or sermonize, and famously said, when asked about gays, “Who am I to judge?” Is this pope Catholic?...Francis has befuddled the guardians of dogma and medieval sexual doctrines who have long kept sunlight out of the Vatican. He is — gasp — a liberal. 
 
God’s Rottweiler has gone to pasture and the Pope’s poodles are roaming free and happy. “People come up to me all the time on the street or at a restaurant and say things like, ‘I just need to tell someone how much I like this pope of yours,’” Father Stephen Sundborg, the Jesuit president of Seattle University, told Egan. “Suddenly, it seems O.K. to be a priest out there.”
 
Egan, whose knowledge of the Jesuits dates to about the 1960s and conveniently ignores the unapologetic conservatism of St. Ignatius of Loyola, writes confidently that the “Jesuits have always tried to get people to think for themselves, to arrive at belief through an arduous process. When bishops started telling parishioners that their gay and lesbian siblings were sinners, and that family planning was a grievous wrong, people stopped listening to them — for good reason.”
 
Lost on Egan, as he recites all the dismal stats on fallen-away Catholics, is that this decline corresponds to a liberal, not conservative, period in the life of the Church. The pews of the big bad pre-Vatican II Church were full; the pews of “pastoral” Francis-style Jesuit shepherds are empty.
 
At the field hospitals of the Catholic left, the sheep have choked and died on the “medicine of mercy,” the euphemism for people-pleasing heterodoxy among spirit-of-Vatican II liberals. There is no reason to suppose a strengthened dose will raise any of the patients from the dead.
 
The Egans and Kellers will remain lapsed even if they are “listening” to Francis with itching ears, for all they hear is a confirmation of their smug apostasy.

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Pope issues mission statement for papacy
11/26/13

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis issued the mission statement for his papacy Tuesday, outlining how the Catholic Church and the papacy itself must be reformed to create a more missionary and merciful church that gets its hands dirty as it seeks out the poor and oppressed.

In the 85-page document, Francis pulled together the priorities he has laid out in eight months of homilies, speeches and interviews and put them in the broader context of how to reinvigorate the church's evangelical zeal in a world marked by indifference, secularization and vast income inequalities.

He explained his most controversial remarks criticizing the church's "obsession" with transmitting a disjointed set of moral doctrines, saying that in the church's "hierarchy of truths," mercy is paramount, proportion is necessary, and that what counts is inviting the faithful in.

He went even further Tuesday, saying some of the church's historical customs can even be cast aside if they no longer serve to communicate the faith. Citing St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, Francis stressed the need for moderation in norms "so as to not burden the lives of the faithful."

**St. Augustine came up with this A-Millenianism escatology deception in the 3rd or 4th century - now the modern day, organized Baptist/Protestant churches embrace this by and large.

At the same time, Francis restated the church's opposition to abortion, making clear that this doctrine is non-negotiable and is at the core of the church's insistence on the dignity of every human being.

 Roll Eyes Didn't he say not too long ago that the "church" shouldn't put this a priority?

The document, Evangelii Gaudium, (The Joy of the Gospel), is the second major teaching document issued by Francis but is the first actually written by him since the encyclical "The Light of Faith," issued in July, was penned almost entirely by Pope Benedict XVI before he resigned.

Francis wrote the bulk of it in August, during the Vatican's summer lull, said Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi.

Francis' concerns are laced throughout, and the theological and historical citations leave no doubt about his own points of reference and priorities: Popes John XXIII and Paul VI, who presided over the Second Vatican Council, which brought the church into the modern world, are cited repeatedly.

And in a first for an apostolic exhortation, as this type of papal pronouncement is called, Francis cited various documents of bishops' conferences from around the world, an indication of the importance he places in giving the local church greater say in church governance and decision-making.

"I prefer a church which is bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security," he wrote. "I do not want a church concerned with being at the center and then ends up by being caught up in a web of obsessions and procedures."

Uhm...scripture NEVER says the church has to be "dirty". Roll Eyes

1Cor_6:11  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


He added: "More than by fear of going astray, my hope is that we will be moved by the fear of remaining shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within rules which make us harsh judges, within habits which make us feel safe, while at our door people are starving and Jesus does not tire of saying to us, 'Give them something to eat.'"

In the frank and often funny style that has come to define Francis' preaching, the Argentine Jesuit chastised priests for their complacency, giving them a lesson on preparing homilies that don't put the faithful to sleep. He reminded them that confession shouldn't be "torture," and told them to get out of their sacristies, get their shoes muddy, get involved in the lives of their faithful and not be defeatist "sourpusses."

He said their greatest concern must be the poor and marginalized, since they are victims of an unjust, global economic system that prizes profit over people. He said the poor need the tender, merciful love that the church can provide.

**But the Vatican, which is LOADED with trillion$, doesn't count? Roll Eyes

While again ruling out women's ordination, Francis called for greater role for women in making decisions in the church and said the faithful ought not to think that just because priests preside over Mass that they are more important than the people who make up the church itself.

"The church, as the agent of evangelization, is more than an organic hierarchical institution; she is first and foremost a people advancing on its pilgrim way towards God," he wrote.

Francis cited Vatican II documents calling for a more decentralized church authority and said he too must rethink the papacy to achieve the goals of spreading the faith. He noted that Pope John Paul II had asked for proposals to rethink the way the primacy of the pope is exercised, a delicate and potentially revolutionary issue that hasn't yet been resolved.

Francis is currently overseeing a major overhaul of the Vatican's dysfunctional administration, but he said that he was "open to suggestions" about how to change the very nature of the papacy and its relation to the world's bishops conferences, to make the papacy reflect better what Jesus intended and what the church needs today.

"Excessive centralization, rather than proving helpful, complicates the church's life and her missionary outreach," he said.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/video/pope-francis-criticism-capitalism-204500622.html
11/26/13
Pope Francis' criticism of capitalism

CNBC's Eamon Javers reports on the Vatican's release of the Pope's apostolic exhortation, his first major piece of writing since becoming Pontiff, where Pope Francis is very critical of the excesses of capitalism.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/101231497?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101231497%7CPope%20finds%20a%20new%20enemy-ca
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Pope finds a new enemy—capitalism

Pope Francis's attack on some of the values of capitalism has reignited a long-running debate about whether the free market is compatible with Christianity.

The recently elected Pope continued his revitalization of the Church with an outspoken statement against the "new tyranny" of "unfettered capitalism."

"Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth,encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,"he wrote, in a direct rebuttal of the theory espoused by free-market thinkers that wealth eventually benefits the whole of society.

"This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralised workings of the prevailing economic system."

With the Catholic Church itself running a bank at the Vatican and historically welcoming to wealthy donors, some may find a disconnect. The church was also notoriously anti-communist during the Iron Curtain years, even excommunicating communists.

Still, the Bible – the Church's founding text -- states pretty clearly that it's tricky for rich men to get into heaven. And there are probably a few multinational companies who could take advice on how to pay their taxes from Matthew 22: 21 on rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's.

One defendant of the theory that business can lift more people out of poverty than philanthropy is Lloyd Blankfein, the Goldman Sachs chief executive, who famously claimed he was doing "God's work"at the investment bank.

The late Pope John Paul II argued that the church's attitude towards capitalism was all down to how it was practised.

"Although decisively condemning 'socialism,' the Church, since Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, has always distanced itself from capitalistic ideology, holding it responsible for grave social injustices," he said in 1993.

"(The church) recognizes the positive value of the market and of enterprise, but…at the same time points out that these need to be oriented toward the common good."

In essence, no to Gordon Gekko, yes to Bill Gates.

"There have always been parts of the Catholic Church which are more left- and more right-leaning," Anna Rowlands, lecturer in theology and ministry at King's College London, told CNBC.

"The really new development in this is the attack on the trickle-down theory. To pick it out and say that it prevents progress in terms of human dignity and the economy is different. He has taken a very distinctive, strong stance on public policy and the way economic policies have been exported as part of the Western attitude to developing economies."

Before his elevation to the papacy, Pope Francis spent most of his life in Argentina, which is no stranger to financial crisis. This time round, in the euro zone, compared to their Protestant northern neighbors, it is the Catholic countries of Ireland; Spain and Portugal which have been worst hit by the credit crisis (apart from Greek Orthodox Greece).

"With Pope Francis, what we see is someone who lived in Argentina all his life, lived through a financial crisis and experienced what happens when markets make a country go under. He's a non-Westerner reminding the West of what happens when markets go wrong," Abigail Frymann, online editor of Catholic newspaper The Tablet, told CNBC.

The new Pope is also on a mission to tackle one of the Church institutions most open to accusations of corruption. As part of his reforms, the Vatican's bank, the Institute for Religious Works, which is often accused of Mafia links published its first ever annual report this year. In July, the account of a senior cleric, Monsignor Nunzio Scarano, arrested by Italian police in June on suspicion of trying to move 20 million euros illegally, was frozen by the Vatican.

"He has taken control and he has instituted a greater transparency in dealing with actions like money laundering and corruption around the Vatican's bank," Rowlands said.
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« Reply #349 on: November 27, 2013, 10:45:21 pm »

Pope Francis Attacks Capitalism, Calls for State Control
11/27/13
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/27/Pope-Francis-Attacks-Capitalism-Calls-for-State-Control

In a far-ranging 50,000 word statement released by Pope Francis on Tuesday, he illustrated that he is sympathetic to the tenets of liberation theology and hostile to capitalism.

Liberation theology, which is a recent movement that essentially began at the second Latin American Bishops’ Conference in Colombia in 1968, believes that social systems that contribute to the economic state of the poor should be overthrown. At that conference, the teachings of Jesus Christ were combined with those of Karl Marx to call for violent revolution to overthrow capitalism. The text that emerged that was later used as inspiration was A Theology of Liberation, written in 1971, by Gustavo Gutiérrez, a Peruvian priest and theologian.

In September 2013, Pope Francis held a meeting with Gutiérrez, and L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's semi-official newspaper, published an essay describing it on Sept. 3. The essay asserted that because Francis is the first pope from Latin America, liberation theology can no longer "remain in the shadows to which it has been relegated for some years, at least in Europe."  Michael Lee, associate professor of theology at Fordham University in New York, said that the experience Francis had hailing from South America "is present in the person of Francis and in the Vatican now in a way that it never has been before. What only makes sense is, then, a reopening of the door to this theology that emerged from that context and spoke so powerfully to it, and continues to do so."

Before the advent of  liberation theology, Catholicism hated socialism and communism, regarding them as “godless.” Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) wrote an entire encyclical condemning socialism.

But now Pope Francis seems to be embracing a condemnation of capitalism instead, and an embracing of socialistic principles. Here are some statements from his text on Tuesday:

Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized:

… some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.

One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person!

While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born...

So Francis believes that capitalism, which defends the right to a free market system, is to be discarded, while the right of states, “charged with vigilance for the common good,” to exercise control over the economic status of the people, is laudable. Lenin would not be disappointed.
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Is anybody really surprised by that? He's from socialistic Argentina. Socialism is rampant in South America.
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« Reply #351 on: November 28, 2013, 08:59:12 am »

Is anybody really surprised by that? He's from socialistic Argentina. Socialism is rampant in South America.

I know both political parties(GOP/Dem) are merely 2 opposite sides of the same coin, but nonetheless the RCC has infiltrated the GOP especially since the formation of the so-called "religious right" in the 1980's. And ever since Pope Frankie started making his eyeraising comments recently, it's REALLY caused a lot of split and division in the GOP(at least from what I've read on their message forums). Even these so-called "liberal media" critics like Brent Bozell, Rush, FOX, etc have been doing everything they can to DEFEND Frankie. Pretty much, they're acting like the "liberal media" has twisted Frankie's comments.

IOW - if Obama or Pelosi had made anti-capitalist comments, this same group would be in outrage.
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« Reply #352 on: December 03, 2013, 06:42:34 am »

Democrat Congressman to Sharpton: 'You and the Pope Are on the Same Wavelength'

Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) told the Rev. Al Sharpton of MSNBC on Wednesday that Sharpton and the pope are "on the same wavelength." McDermott's observation on what he perceives as the similarity between Sharpton and the pope came up in a discussion of food stamps. McDermott noted that when Jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fish, “he didn’t charge food stamps.”

“When Jesus had those five loaves and two fishes, he didn't charge food stamps. He didn't ask anybody how much money they had. He fed them because they were hungry, and that's really where we ought to be,” McDermott said in response to Republican critics of the SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program).

In September, the House approved a plan by Republicans to cut $39 billion in food stamps over the next 10 years. In 2009, there were 33,489,975 people on food stamps. As of Nov. 8, 2013, a total of 47,666,124 people participated in the SNAP program (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program).

“Congressman, what do your Republican congressman say to you when you tell them how much their policies are really hurting real people, real poor people?” Rev. Al Sharpton, host of “PoliticsNation,” asked McDermott.

“They really don't believe it, Rev. They're not listening to the pope. You and the pope are on the same wavelength. The income equality is just going by most of these people. What they ought to be done is require that they go to a food bank at a church or something, somewhere in their neighborhood and stand there and talk to the people,” McDermott said.

“You would find out these are not people who are not trying. They're not people who are taking from the public. They're not people who want to be there. They're people who are ashamed in many instances to be doing something they never thought they’d be brought to, and they're having difficulty, and we're the richest nation in the world,” he added.

“And he didn't call them names,” Sharpton said.

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Democrat Congressman to Sharpton: 'You and the Pope Are on the Same Wavelength'


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And despite THIS, the so-called GOP establishment is STILL in DENIAL over Pope Frankie's comments. So now Rush Limbaugh is part of the "liberal media" establishment now? Roll Eyes

Yeah, they are dividing and conquering...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-pope-francis_n_4373635.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
12/2/13
Rush Limbaugh vs. Pope Francis: Talk Show Host Attacks 'Pure Marxism' Of 'Evangelii Gaudium'

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Soros-Funded Catholic Group Denounces Rush Limbaugh's Disagreement with Pope
11/29/13
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/28/Spokesman-For-Liberal-Catholic-Group-Denounces-Rush-Limbaugh-s-Comments-About-Pope-Francis-Rebuke-Of-Capitalism

A spokesman for the liberal organization Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good (CACG) has posted on the group’s website a denunciation of what he states were “incendiary remarks about Pope Francis” by conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday.

Limbaugh said that Pope Francis was wrong in his apostolic exhortation released this week in which he appears to blame capitalism for the reason why people are poor in the world.

CACG’s Christopher Jolly Hale wrote on Wednesday:

Catholics of all political stripes are disturbed by Rush Limbaugh's incendiary comments this afternoon about Pope Francis. To call the Holy Father a proponent of "pure marxism" is both mean spirited and naive. Francis's critique of unrestrained capitalism is in line with the Church's social teaching. His particular criticism of "trickle down economics" strengthens what Church authorities have said for decades: any economic system which deprives the poor of their dignity has no place within a just society.

Contrary to what Mr. Limbaugh suggests, the Catholic Church isn't built on money, but on the firm foundation of Jesus Christ.

We call on Mr. Limbaugh to apologize and retract his remarks. We urge other Church organizations and leaders--both ordained and lay--to also condemn Mr. Limbaugh's comments.

We proudly stand with Pope Francis as he provides prophetic leadership for the Catholic Church and the entire world.

Following the release of the pope’s exhortation, entitled Evangelii Gaudium, Hale wrote:

Pope Francis's words have given new vigor to what the Church has been saying for decades: 'trickle down economics' and other economic agendas which work against the poor and promote inequality have no place in a just society. Pope Francis's words should have particular resonance here in the United States as we enter into next month's budget negotiations. The pope makes it clear that these budgetary decisions should above all else benefit the poorest of Americans.

We make Pope Francis's words our own: "I beg the Lord gives us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people and the lives of the poor!"

In 2009, Accuracy in Media (AIM) reported that CACG had received $200,000 in funding from George Soros's Open Society Institute.

A leader of another Soros-funded Catholic organization, Faith in Public Life (FPL), a group that was founded with the help of John Podesta’s Center for American Progress, also praised Pope Francis’ view of the “tyranny” of trickle-down economics.

John Gehring, Catholic Outreach Coordinator of FPL, praised Pope Francis for his “headline-grabbing comments that Catholicism must not be known exclusively for obsession with a few hot-button issues.”

About the pope’s exhortation, Gehring wrote:

In many ways, this is traditional Catholic teaching about economic justice that builds on the foundations laid in the first social encyclical about capital and labor released in 1891 by Pope Leo XIII. But to contemporary American ears accustomed to hearing full-throated Catholic arguments only when it comes to abortion and same sex marriage, this unequivocal economic critique of unfettered markets packs a punch.

Directing his comments at Republicans Speaker John Boehner and Rep. Paul Ryan, Gehring said that while they “slash billions from nutrition programs and are daily communicants in the church of free-market fundamentalism, Pope Francis rejects trickle-down economics as a moral and practical failure.”
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/dec/02/eu-vatican-russia/

Putin shows faith, kisses Madonna icon at Vatican
 
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Monday, Dec. 2, 2013 | 12:19 a.m.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown off his religious side during a visit to the Vatican, stopping to cross himself and kiss an icon of the Madonna that he gave to Pope Francis.

Putin and Francis met privately for 35 minutes Monday evening in the pope's private library. The Vatican didn't immediately give details about the conversation.

Francis gave Putin a ceramic mosaic of the Vatican gardens, and Putin presented Francis with an image of the icon of the Madonna of Vladimir, an important religious icon for the Russian Orthodox faithful.

After they exchanged the gifts, Putin asked Francis if he liked it, and Francis said he did. Putin then crossed himself and kissed the image, and Francis followed suit.

The Argentine pope is particularly devoted to Marian icons.
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The GOP establishment goes from doing damage control over Pope Frankie's recent comments, to now creating a sideshow within their own selves...

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/rush-limbaugh-must-apologize-pope-francis-petition-demands-201304337.html
Rush Limbaugh Must Apologize to Pope Francis, Petition Demands
12/4/13

Rush Limbaugh owes il Papa a mea culpa. At least, that’s what a new online petition claims.

The petition, which has so far gathered more than 3,500 signatures, is demanding that the radio host apologize to Pope Francis for characterizing the pontiff as a Marxist.

Limbaugh lambasted the Pope on Wednesday, saying that Francis was engaging in “pure Marxism” with his recently released document “Evangelii Gaudium” (“The Joy of the Gospel”), which takes certain elements of modern capitalism to task. (In the document, Francis cautions that the “idolatry of money” could create a “new tyranny.”)

“I have been numerous times to the Vatican. It wouldn’t exist without tons of money. But regardless, what this is, somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him,” Limbaugh said. “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope.”

Limbaugh also called Francis’ knowledge of economics into question, saying, “It’s sad because this pope makes it very clear he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to capitalism and socialism and so forth.”

The petition accuses Limbaugh of — gasp! — being far too centered on economics, and characterizes Pope Francis as a breath of fresh air after a period of “eroding values” in the Catholic church.

“Well we all know you only care about money Rush, but millions of people rely on the Pope to set a good example of offering love and compassion to humanity,” the petition reads. “After decades of eroding values and challenges to the Church we now have a Pope that will take a message of love and hope to the people.

“Too bad if this offends you Rush, you offend us!” the petition adds.

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Wonder if this same petition group would call out Rush if he called out Obama/Pelosi for making Marxist-supporting comments? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #358 on: December 05, 2013, 01:04:53 pm »

They should come read our site and tell us to apologize...  Cheesy
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« Reply #359 on: December 05, 2013, 08:22:44 pm »

The Argentine pope is particularly devoted to Marian icons.

This in particular is quite interesting. Wasn't there another world-beloved Catholic pope not long ago who had the same affinity for Marian icons/idols? Wasn't he also one of the driving forces behind ecumenism? Hmm...

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