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« Reply #360 on: December 06, 2013, 03:48:40 am »

Pope Francis is the Catholic Church’s Obama – God help us

Pope Francis is undergoing a popularity surge comparable to the way Barack Obama was greeted by the world in 2008. And just as President Obama has been a disappointment for America, Pope Francis will prove a disaster for the Catholic Church.

My fellow Catholics should be suspicious when bastions of anti-Catholicism in the left-wing media are in love with him.

Much is being made of his ‘compassion’ and ‘humility,’ but kissing babies and hugging the sick is nothing new. Every pope in recent memory has done the same, yet only now are the media paying attention. Benedict XVI and John Paul II refused to kowtow to the liberal agenda, and so such displays of tenderness were under-covered.

    Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.

But Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.

Just like President Obama loved apologizing for America, Pope Francis likes to apologize for the Catholic Church, thinking that the Church is at its best when it is passive and not offending anyone’s sensibilities.

In his interviews with those in the left-wing media he seeks to impress, Francis has said that the Church needs to stop being ‘obsessed’ with abortion and gay marriage, and instead of seeking to convert people, “we need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.”

This softly-softly approach of not making a fuss has been tried before, and failed. The Second Vatican Council of the 1960’s aimed to “open the windows” of the Church to the modern world by doing just this.

The result was the Catholic version of New Coke. Across the West where the effects were felt, seminaries and convents emptied, church attendance plummeted, and adherence to Church doctrine diminished.

John Paul II and Benedict XVI worked hard to turn this trend around, but now Pope Francis wants the bad old days to resume.

Proof of this is Francis’ aforementioned statement of the Church being obsessed with controversial issues and the need to rebalance by talking about it less.

That Francis didn’t see that this would be translated into headlines of “Pope tells Catholics to shut up about things that offend Sandra Fluke” by every left-wing media outlet shows a terrifying naivety.

Nor do his comments reflect reality.

For years, the majority of priests didn't dare cover controversial topics in their homilies in fear of getting angry letters from pick-and-choose Catholics outraged that their pastor dared to say something out of line with the Democratic Party.

Most parishioners therefore haven’t heard the Church’s argument on controversial topics. Consequently, usage of contraception is only slightly lower in Catholics than in the general population, and support of gay marriage is actually higher in Catholics than the general population. Perhaps talking about it even less isn’t the answer?

In trying to please the media and the modern world, Francis mistakes their glee for respect. Just like Obama thought he’d won over Putin by promising a reset, Francis thinks by talking vacuously about the poor, he will be respected. And it is vacuous -- the pontiff recently asked why it’s news that the stock market drops but not when an old person dies. When your leader is asking, “Why isn’t the newspaper a laundry list of obituaries?” you know you elected the wrong guy.

What effect is this having? For all we’re being told about how ‘disenfranchised’ Catholics are being brought back by Francis ‘reaching out,’ a recent Pew Research study showed that in America, the number of people who identify as Catholic has actually decreased.  Lesson: rubbing the egos of Church-hating left-wingers doesn’t make more Catholics, it just makes the Church less respected.

Francis not only panders to enemies and professional grievance mongers, but also attacks his allies. Just as Obama snubs Britain and Israel, Pope Francis swipes at practicing Catholics.

So not only has he insulted, and severely damaged the work of, pro-life and pro-marriage groups with his comments, he has also gone on the attack, dismissing Catholics who attend the older rites in Latin as ‘ideologizing’ and being guilty of ‘exploitation.’ Apparently “Who am I to judge?” doesn’t apply here.

On world matters, Francis’ statements are embarrassing. About communism, a destructive ideology that slaughtered millions of Catholics, he said:

“Learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized…an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church."

Not such kind words for the free market, however. In his recent apostolic exhortation he slammed unfettered capitalism, calling it ‘a new tyranny.’

Apart from the fact that there is no major nation practicing unfettered capitalism (like Obama, Francis loves attacking straw men) there is more real tyranny in socialist cesspools like Francis’ home of Argentina than in places where capitalism is predominant.

In the document he rejects the free market and calls for governments to overhaul financial systems so they attack inequality. In doing so he shows himself painfully misguided on economics, failing to see that free markets have consistently lifted the poor out of poverty, while socialism merely entrenches them in it, or kills them outright.

Like Obama, Francis is unable to see the problems that are really endangering his people. Like Obama he mistakes the faithful for the enemy, the enemy for his friend, condescension for respect, socialism for justice and capitalism for tyranny.

As a Catholic, I do hope Francis’ papacy is a successful one, but from his first months he seems hell-bent on a path to undo the great work of Benedict XVI and John Paul II, and to repeat critical mistakes of the past.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/04/pope-francis-is-catholic-churchs-obama-god-help-us/

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« Reply #361 on: December 06, 2013, 11:16:22 am »

I've said this a number of other times in this thread, but will say it again - the GOP establishment has had their heads in the sand over Pope Frankie from day 1. Every time Frankie made pro-liberal comments, they're responses have been, "But the LIBERAL MEDIA took his comments out of context!". And lately when RUSH LIMBAUGH would expose him, they STILL had their heads in the sand - they were like, "But Limbaugh just read off of the other liberal media sources!". Roll Eyes

Yes, I know both Dem and GOP are nothing but controlled-opposition groups on the same coin - but nonetheless it's the GOP group that the RCC has infiltrated the most(b/c Churchianity votes this way).

Ultimately - enemies infiltrate from WITHIN, and NOT from without like these Obama-types!
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« Reply #362 on: December 06, 2013, 01:02:24 pm »

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/06/pope-obama-idINDEE9B501G20131206
12/6/13
Obama calls pope 'soulful messenger' of peace, justice

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama likes what he sees from Pope Francis, who has called for a more humble Catholic Church that sides with the poor.

Obama offered praise to the new pontiff in an interview with MSNBC's "Hardball" on Thursday, saying Francis has used the power of his office to remind people of their obligations to others and future generations.

"I think Pope Francis is showing himself to be just an extraordinarily thoughtful, and soulful, messenger of peace and justice," Obama said.

Obama has not yet met the pope, but he said "everything that I've read, everything that I've seen from him indicates the degree to which he is trying to remind us of those core obligations."

Last week in Buenos Aires, the pope took on the issue of high youth unemployment, saying in a TN television interview that today people are living in an unjust international system in which "King Money" is at the center.

Obama sounds a similar message. This week he complained of income inequality in the United States and said the need to improve the plight of middle-class Americans is "what drives me as a grandson, a son, a father - as an American
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« Reply #363 on: December 06, 2013, 03:02:42 pm »

Pope Francis at Mass: Praying is a bit like “annoying” God



Pope Francis spoke on the theme of prayer on Thursday, saying when we pray it’s a bit like annoying God so that he listens to us. His remarks came during his homily at the morning mass in the Santa Marta guesthouse.

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Speaking at Mass, Pope Francis said "prayer has two attitudes: it’s needy and at the same time it’s certain of the fact that God, in his own way and his own time, will answer our need." A person who prays, he continued, "doesn’t fear disturbing God and nourishes a blind faith in His love." The Pope recalled how Jesus himself taught us to pray like the annoying friend who begs for food at midnight or like the widow with the corrupt judge. Another example he quoted was the gospel account of how the lepers approached Jesus, saying to him, “if you want, you can cure us.”

“Maybe this sounds strange,” the Pope said, “but praying is a bit like annoying God so that he listens to us. He stressed the importance of praying with insistence and not giving up after the first few attempts. “Jesus said “ask” but he also said to us, “Knock at the door” and he or she who knocks at the door makes a noise, disturbs or annoys.”
Therefore, Pope Francis continued, “prayer is insisting to the point of annoyance but also with an unshakeable certainty.” Just like the blind people in the Gospel who asked Jesus to be healed and when he asked them if they believed he could cure them, they assured him they did. The Pope concluding by saying that Jesus feels our need when we pray and also feels that we are certain of his help and that we’re speaking the truth about ourselves.
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said the need to improve the plight of middle-class Americans

What about the plight of all Americans? Oh sorry, it really is a class thing.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #366 on: December 07, 2013, 01:17:51 pm »

Wow! As my teenagers say "In your face! "
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« Reply #367 on: December 08, 2013, 11:24:01 am »

A United States 'Spring' Coming?
12/5/13

Could an "Arab Spring" type of upheaval be brewing in the United States? Is the frustration and anger toward our dysfunctional politics and economics beginning to reach a tipping point where young folks begin to push for profound change? Has our democracy become so broken that citizens are going to find creative avenues to express their feelings? Will we pass through the holidays and winter of our dysfunction to arrive at a spring of change? I sense a movement of social unrest growing strongly and quietly towards our own version of the Arab Spring.

Let's take a look at some of the factors that might be pointing in this direction. This past week the GDP showed very positive growth (up 3.6 percent in the third quarter), corporations are booking huge profits, the stock market is at an all time high, and we have more multimillionaires and billionaires than ever before. So why does 70 percent of the country believe the United States is off on the wrong track? Why is trust of our economic, governmental and political institutions at a historic low? Why is the poverty rate back to a historical high?

For more than a generation, the middle class of this country has not seen any significant improvement in their financial situation. In fact, when you factor in inflation, the majority of the country has actually seen a decline in their economic status over the past 25 years. The wealthiest 5 percent of America has basically garnered nearly all the gains we have seen in economic growth over the last few decades. Many in New York City, Washington, DC and small enclaves around the country have done very very well, while the rest of America is either stagnant or in decline. As we reflect on Nelson Mandela's passing it is time to ask if we have our own version of apartheid here - not by race, but by economic status.

And all the above has occurred as the presidency and Congress has been lead by both political parties and ideologies including conservatives and liberals. Young Americans have put their hopes in presidents of both political parties who said they were going to change Washington DC and bring a new kind of politics, and have come away very disappointed and frustrated. Recently polling shows these young Americans (along with other citizens) have gone from overwhelmingly supporting President Obama to now incredibly upset about another politician who said one thing and did another. And the economics and dreams of their own life has been set back once again.

So here we have a majority of Americans at best no better off in more than a generation. Citizens with an incredible distrust and disappointment in the federal government, Wall Street, and both political parties. Citizens who have tried voting for each party, but come away worse off and more disillusioned. And citizens who are still searching for authentic leadership where words and actions are integrated and one. It is no wonder the simple yet powerful and authentic message of Pope Francis has been applauded by both Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

The main activists in the Arab Spring were young people (and especially young men) who grew very frustrated and finally took to the streets. So why haven't the young men (and women) of main stream America taken more to the streets here and pushed their own version of a revolution? Maybe it is because they tried making change through regular politics and have now seen it hasn't worked. Maybe it is because they so far are preoccupied with video games which give them an outlet and a sense of control, but will soon tire of this as they realize there is more to life and want meaning.

Whatever the reason, at some point I believe the status quo in our politics and economics will no longer be acceptable to a large part of our country, and because the existing institutions are unresponsive, these agents of change will rise up in some way and very loudly and clearly say "enough is enough." And I think this will be a very good thing if it is done in a forceful and non-violent way.

**Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, and these Emergent Church leaders call themselves "change agents", FYI.

I have feared that the tragic school shooting and mass killings by deranged young men has been a canary in the coal mine for a growing dissatisfaction with life. I for one think we need some alternative for people in this country who have been ignored, misled, and forgotten about in the halls of power in DC and Wall Street to assert a new way and institute new leadership and structures that are responsive. Otherwise, a revolution of the heart and soul could easily become a clenched fist of force. As John F. Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." It is time we begin to have this conversation more openly.

There you have it.

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http://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-named-time-39-person-132543199--finance.html
Pope Francis named Time's Person of the Year
12/11/13

(Reuters) - Time magazine named Pope Francis its Person of the Year on Wednesday, crediting him with shifting the message of the Catholic Church while capturing the imagination of millions of people who had become disillusioned with the Vatican.

This is the third time the magazine has chosen a pope as its Person of the Year. Time gave that honor to Pope John Paul II in 1994 and to Pope John XXIII in 1963.

The Argentine pontiff - who, as archbishop of Buenos Aires was known as the slum cardinal for his visits to the poor and penchant for subway travel - beat former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden and gay rights activist Edith Windsor for the award.

Other finalists included Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz from Texas.

"What makes this Pope so important is the speed with which he has captured the imaginations of millions who had given up on hoping for the church at all," Time said in its cover story.

"In a matter of months, Francis has elevated the healing mission of the church — the church as servant and comforter of hurting people in an often harsh world — above the doctrinal police work so important to his recent predecessors."

Time said the final selection was made by its editors, who had considered suggestions from the magazine's more than 2 million Twitter followers.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Pope Francis, the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, the first from Latin America and the first Jesuit, was not seeking fame.

"It is a positive sign that one of the most prestigious recognitions by the international media has been given to a person who proclaims to the world spiritual, religious and moral values and speaks out forcefully in favor of peace and greater justice," Lombardi said in a statement.

"If this attracts men and women and gives them hope, the Pope is happy. If this choice of 'Person of the Year' means that many have understood this message, even implicitly, he is certainly glad."

In September, Francis gave a groundbreaking and frank interview, in which he said the Vatican must shake off an obsession with teachings on abortion, contraception and homosexuality, and become more merciful.

And in July, Francis told reporters he was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are of good will and in search of God, marking a break from his predecessor, Benedict, who said homosexuality was an intrinsic disorder.

Francis replaced Benedict in March after he abdicated.

The new pope's style is characterized by frugality. He shunned the spacious papal apartment in the Vatican's Apostolic Palace to live in a small suite in a Vatican guest house, and he prefers a Ford Focus to the traditional pope's Mercedes.

A champion of the downtrodden, he visited the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy in July to pay tribute to hundreds of migrants who had died crossing the sea from North Africa.

With the Catholic Church marred in recent years by sex abuse scandals, Francis formed a team of experts Thursday to consider ways to improve the screening of priests, to protect minors to help victims.

Still, Barbara Blaine, president of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), a victim advocacy group, said in a statement Wednesday that more action was needed.

"After nine months of essentially ignoring the church's most severe crisis, (Pope Francis) hastily announced last week that he'll appoint an abuse study panel," Blaine said. "He has not, however, made a single child safer."
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« Reply #369 on: December 11, 2013, 06:50:09 pm »

http://www.ephesians511blog.blogspot.com/2013/12/merchandising-church-machine-rises.html

Merchandising Church Machine Rises, Jesuit Pope Calls Out Idolatry, Satan Controls Both

 The Merchandising Church Machine Rises

The Jesuit Pope Calls Out Idolatry – Satan Controls Both

-The timing of this makes for a perfect setup-



Both have "the appearance" of light (truth), but are full of darkness. The Pope is pagan. "The Machine" is money.

The Pope goes after “consumerism” right when Merchandising Church Machine is exposed, perfect timing



http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/november/five-things-evangelicals-will-cheer-in-pope-francis-plan-to.html

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 – “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

The Greek word for the term “of righteousness” is the word “dikaiosynē” and it means - integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

Satan’s ministers of integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting

So on one hand we have Satan’s Merchandising Church Machine as Satan’s ministers of righteousness chasing money in the name of Jesus and on the other hand we have Satan’s minister of righteousness, the Pope, calling out idolatry.

Both entities have the “appearance” of light (truth) but are full of darkness. Both entities are under Satan’s power.

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http://news.yahoo.com/39-39-m-no-marxist-39-pope-francis-130636200.html
'I'm no Marxist', Pope Francis tells conservative critics Roll Eyes
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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis, responding to conservative criticisms that his economic and social ideas smack of communism, said in an Italian newspaper interview on Sunday that he is not a Marxist but that even Marxists can be good people.

Francis also denied reports that he would name a woman cardinal, said there was good progress in cleaning up Vatican finances and confirmed that he would visit Israel and the Palestinian territories next year, La Stampa said.

Last month, American radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who has a huge following in the United States, railed against the pope for written comments made on the world economy.

Limbaugh, who is not Catholic, said that parts of the document were "pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope" and suggested that someone else had written the papal document for him. He also accused the pope of going "beyond Catholicism" and being "purely political".

Asked about the accusations, which sparked a debate in the media and blogosphere last month, Francis, a member of the all-male Jesuit order associated with progressive social policies, said, "Marxist ideology is wrong. But in my life I have known many Marxists who are good people, so I don't feel offended."

He has also been criticized by other conservatives.

In last month's document, seen as a platform for his papacy, Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" said an "economy of exclusion and inequality" had proven to be deadly for many people around the world.

In his response to the critics, Francis said he was not speaking "as a technician but according to the social doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, and this does not mean being Marxist". He said he was just trying to present a "snapshot of what is happening" in the world today.

In another document last week, Francis said huge salaries and bonuses were symptoms of an economy based on greed and called again for nations to narrow the wealth gap.

CONSERVATIVE CONCERN

Conservatives in the 1.2 billion member Church have expressed concern and disappointment about some of the pope's pronouncements, such as when he said he was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are people of good will sincerely seeking God.

Asked about speculation that a woman could be among the new cardinals he will appoint early next year, he said: "I don't know where that idea comes from. Women in the Church should be valued, not 'clericalised'."

In other parts of the interview, Francis also said a committee of eight cardinals from around the world who are advising him on changes to the Vatican structure would make its first formal recommendations to him in February but that reform would be a "lengthy task".

He said that reform of the Vatican's sometimes murky finances was "on the right path" and expressed satisfaction that last week a Council of Europe committee called Moneyval gave the Vatican a good evaluation of its efforts to abide by international financial standards.

He said he had not yet decided what to do about the Vatican bank, which has been touched by scandals over the decades. In the past he has not ruled out closing it.

Francis said he was "getting ready" to go to the Holy Land next year to mark the 50th anniversary of when Pope Paul VI became the first pope in modern times to visit there.

He has been invited by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority to make a visit, which is expected to take place in May or June.
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Francis said he was "getting ready" to go to the Holy Land next year to mark the 50th anniversary of when Pope Paul VI became the first pope in modern times to visit there.

He has been invited by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority to make a visit, which is expected to take place in May or June.

Does this remind anyone of what was on Cutting Edge a while back, from Bill Lambert?
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« Reply #372 on: December 15, 2013, 08:28:22 pm »

Does this remind anyone of what was on Cutting Edge a while back, from Bill Lambert?

Could you elaborate again over what he said? I remember some of the things he said(how since 1985, they laid out the blueprint for the 3rd Temple and hoped to get it completed by 2010. And how when their New Age "Christ" appeared, they expected "disappearances" from those who didn't respond to their Maitreya figure). But don't remember everything else he said.
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« Reply #373 on: December 17, 2013, 09:37:44 am »

Gay Rights Mag Names Pope Francis 'Person of the Year' Despite Same-Sex Marriage Stance



A leading lifestyle magazine that promotes gay rights and same-sex marriage has named Pope Francis its “Person of the Year.”

The December issue of The Advocate features Pope Francis with a “NO H8” message photoshopped on his right cheek. Next to his photo is a quote from the pope’s interview with reporters in July, while en route from Brazil to Rome.

“If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?” the pontiff told reporters.
 
Pope Francis, who opposes same-sex marriage and vehemently fought its passage while he was archbishop of Buenos Aires, was chosen as The Advocate’s “Person of the Year” over Edie Windsor, of U.S. v. Windsor, the Supreme Court’s DOMA case, whom the magazine refers to as “a hero to LGBT Americans for taking the final punch in the fight against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act…”

Regarding its choice of Pope Francis, The Advocate states:

Pope Francis is leader of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics all over the world. There are three times as many Catholics in the world than there are citizens in the United States. Like it or not, what he says makes a difference. Sure, we all know Catholics who fudge on the religion's rules about morality. There's a lot of disagreement, about the role of women, about contraception, and more. But none of that should lead us to underestimate any pope's capacity for persuading hearts and minds in opening to LGBT people, and not only in the U.S. but globally…

Francis's view on how the Catholic Church should approach LGBT people was best explained in his own words during an in-depth interview with America magazine in September. He recalled, “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We must always consider the person.”

In this statement, however, as some bishops have explained, Pope Francis was simply reinforcing what has always been the teaching of the Church: that all persons are to be treated with dignity and respect.

The Advocate, nevertheless, attempts to contrast Pope Francis sharply with his predecessors, Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI—who, the publication says, “commanded the influence of the Vatican – until this year.”

John Paul II, The Advocate says, joined then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in declaring homosexuality as “intrinsically evil.”

Ironically, however, the magazine refers to Pope Francis’ words as a “stark change in rhetoric,” though the future pope wrote in 2010 when the debate about same-sex marriage was at its peak in Argentina, “Let’s not be naïve: This is not a simple political struggle, but an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill but a move of the Father of Lies, who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, recently emphasized that Pope Francis’ words about homosexuality simply underscore the call for Christians to treat all persons with dignity. At the same time, Francis has joined with John Paul II, whom he will be canonizing next year, and Benedict XVI “to clearly promote and defend marriage and family, recognizing that this is in everyone’s best interest as members of a common society.”

Cordileone said that while “Pope Francis has forcefully reminded us that we are to show love and respect to all people and to seek their greatest good,” it is also “disgraceful that some legislators would manipulate the words of Pope Francis to suggest that he would support marriage redefinition.”

The archbishop said the redefinition of marriage is a “serious injustice” and that marriage between one man and one woman exists to protect “authentic rights, especially the right of children to have a married mother and father.”

The Advocate, nevertheless, in honoring Pope Francis, states, “…LGBT Catholics who remain in the church now have more reason to hope that change is coming.”

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It won't be long until Frankie endorses gay marriage 100%.
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Pope Francis drawing crowds four times larger than predecessor

More than two million people have flocked to Pope Francis' general audiences in St. Peter's Square since his election in March, four times the number that Pope Benedict drew in all of 2012.
 
The Vatican said on Wednesday it had issued 1,548,500 tickets for the 30 Wednesday general audiences Francis has held since his election on March 13 as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years.
 
But it said the actual number was "much larger" because no tickets are needed for the rear section of the square and surrounding streets, which accommodate overflow. That area, which fits at least 20,000, is regularly filled during Francis' audiences.
 
The Vatican did not issue comparative figures on Wednesday but figures released on January 4 showed that 447,000 tickets were issued for the 43 general audiences held by former Pope Benedict in all of 2012.
 
The pope, who last week was named Time Magazine's Person of the Year, has drawn people to the Vatican because of his outgoing, simple and friendly style. Benedict was more reserved and far less spontaneous.
 
Francis has forsaken many of the trappings used by his predecessors.
 
He has given up the spacious papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace for a small apartment in a guest house and is driven in a regular car instead of the papal limousine.
 
Francis has also proven to be hugely popular because of his statements urging the Church to be closer to the poor and to be more merciful and less condemning.
 
The crowds at Francis' general audiences have often topped 100,000, forcing police to close off the main boulevard leading to the Vatican to accommodate more people.
 
The Vatican newspaper said Francis telephoned Benedict to exchange Christmas greetings. Benedict is living in a former convent on the Vatican grounds and has the title Pope Emeritus.
 
Tickets to audiences and all other papal events are issued for free by the Vatican's Prefecture of the Pontifical Household and usually distributed through parishes and Church institutions.

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Was just reading this - yeah, it's as if he just became an instant celebrity - don't remember this with the other Popes. Yeah, they were "popular" too, but not like this.
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Pope Francis, a New Messenger for the Catholic Church

By DAVID WRIGHT | Good Morning America – Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:06 AM EST

Emphasizing forgiveness over judgment, and acceptance over orthodoxy, the 266th pope is decidedly different from his predecessors.

Pope Francis is a big-tent evangelist for the world’s largest Christian denomination, reaching out to the world in the blunt language of the street.

Eager to focus less on divisive social issues such as abortion, Francis describes his church as “a field hospital after a battle.”

“It is useless,” he told an interviewer, “to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else.”

That approach has huge implications for the millions of Catholics who feel that the church long ago turned its back on them.

When a reporter asked about the status of gay priests, Francis did not hesitate. “I have yet to find anyone who has a business card that says he is gay,” he said. “If someone is gay who searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?”

A SHIFT IN TONE

It’s a change in tone, not doctrine. Francis has not softened the Church’s opposition to gay marriage. His church still believes gay sex is a sin. But by adopting a less scolding tone, he has used his bully pulpit to heal divisions rather than highlight them.

On some issues, the church is unlikely to budge. Don’t hold your breath the church will suddenly sanction birth control or abortion. Or that priests won’t have to be celibate or that women will be allowed to become priests.

But Francis has cracked open the door for dialogue.

THE HUMBLE MESSENGER

As the earthly successor to St. Peter, the pope is not just the spiritual leader of the world’s largest faith. He is also, according to Catholic tradition, the keeper of the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. That’s why the pope’s heraldic shield features pair of crossed keys beneath a papal crown.

Earlier this month, during a visit to a working-class parish in Rome, he disclosed that he used to be a bouncer. One more of many surprises that sets Pope Francis apart from his predecessors.

His immediate predecessor, Benedict XVI, was an aloof German theologian who appeared, at times, to struggle to connect with the wider world. Benedict’s papacy continued a decades-long restoration of orthodoxy, dialing back progressive reforms of the 1960’s, and his personal style reflected that. He favored the ancient pomp and flair -- bespoke slippers, custom-made perfume, and hats that would not be out of place in a Renaissance painting.

Pope Francis has a far more humble approach. His cassocks are plain white. He elected not to live in the ornate papal apartments, preferring instead the simple quarters of the Vatican guest house.

Humility is a big part of his ministry. On Holy Thursday, he washed the feet of 12 female prison inmates. On his first pilgrimage to Assisi, birthplace of his patron saint, he said the Church must strip itself of “vanity, arrogance, and pride.”

He is more approachable than any pope in recent memory, posing with tourists for pictures, embracing pilgrims on the rope line at general audiences, allowing a child to sit on his lap at a public mass.

There’s a pointed message here. For centuries, people have called the church hypocritical because it champions the poor from a perch of such opulence. Pope Francis said he believes the church should practice what it preaches.

“It hurts me when I see a priest or nun with the latest-model car,” he recently said.

The official papal car is now a used Ford Focus. Sticker price: $16,000.He owns a second car too, a 1984 Renault given to him by an Italian parish priest who dropped it off at the Vatican last summer. Appropriately the Renault is papal white.

A POINTED MESSAGE

He has captured the imaginations of believers and non-believers alike, giving the Church’s message of social justice far greater resonance.

Pope Francis has taken public views on income equality and “the idolatry of money” that could win votes at an Occupy Wall Street rally. He is easily the world’s foremost champion of the poor.

Last month he attacked trickle-down economics and “the widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs.” Conservative commentators in the U.S. greeted that message with a sharp intake of breath. Sarah Palin said he sounded “kind of liberal” and Rush Limbaugh called him a pure Marxist, insisting Francis is “dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong.”

Without addressing those critics by name, Francis responded he’s no Marxist. He defended his criticism of trickle-down economics is perfectly valid: ”There was the promise that once the glass had become full it would overflow and the poor would benefit. But what happens is that when it's full to the brim, the glass magically grows, and thus nothing ever comes out for the poor.”

That economic message is in keeping with the doctrines of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. But the messenger is decidedly different.

Recent polls suggest the world is listening. A recent ABC News/Washington Post survey found more than 90% of Catholics approve of his performance. So do 69% of Americans, regardless of faith.
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Priest: Pope Francis has changed the church’s image, direction in a short time

(NECN)  - On Wednesday, it was announced that Pope Francis is being named Time Magazine’s Person of the Year.

Father James Brezke from the School of Theology and Ministry at Boston College talked about the impact the pope is having on the church and the world.

“I like it. I think he’s been a great leader, not only for the church but for the whole world, and then being a Jesuit is just an extra plus,” Father Brezke began. “In the short time that he’s been pope, I think that what he’s done more is change the image, direction, and restore a certain believability about the gospel message. And that’s a lot to do in just a couple of months.”

In addition, he spoke about how he believes the pope is trying to unite the world and the church, as well. He talked about how his Theology students and people in his parish are refreshed by the pope’s actions.
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« Reply #379 on: December 20, 2013, 10:03:59 pm »

 Huh Nonetheless, looks like they're following the same script we've seen since 1980...

http://arts.nationalpost.com/2013/12/20/newt-gingrich-compares-suspended-duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-to-pope-francis-video/
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Duck Dynasty star ‘sounds like Pope Francis’: Newt Gingrich joins conservative army backing Phil Robertson

CNN pundit and former speaker of the house Newt Gingrich joined the growing chorus of supporters for suspended Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson on Thursday, comparing the duck-call mogul to Pope Francis on his show, Crossfire.

Robertson was suspended from the show by A&E after making anti-gay remarks to GQ magazine – but according to Gingrich, the comments were nothing short of “remarkable.”

“Ironically, if you read the whole interview, not just take one section, he talks very specifically about loving everybody,” Gingrich, a former Republican presidential candidate, said on Crossfire. “He talks very specifically about not being judgmental toward anybody, that’s God’s decision, not his. I mean, it is remarkable. There’s sections there where he sounds like Pope Francis.”

Gingrich conducted a panel discussion on his show Thursday night about the Duck Dynasty suspension alongside co-host Van Jones, Concerned Women for America head Penny Young Nance and sports commentator LZ Granderson, the latter of whom pointed took issue with Gingrich’s defense that the Duck Dynasty star was simply quoting the Bible (Corinthians, to be specific).

“The Bible has been used throughout history as a way to oppress the minority,” Granderson told Nance. “Wherever the majority is, they’ve always found the right verse — to justify slavery, to justify keeping women.”

Gingrich joins conservative pundit Sarah Palin in his defence of Robertson: The former Republican vice-presidential candidate had on Thursday said in a tweet that A&E’s decision to suspend the reality TV star was an attack on free speech.

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Meanwhile, in a brief segment on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart attacked the pundits of Fox News for what he called hypocritical coverage of the Duck Dynasty controversy, comparing that network’s attack on the removal of the word “Christmas” from public discourse to their support of Robertson’s right to religious expression and freedom of speech:



A&E has not officially commented on its suspension of Robertson, who himself released a statement on Thursday saying his comments to GQ were in adherence to his Christian faith while pointing out that he “would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me.”

GLAAD issued its own statement in support of A&E’s ban on Wednesday, asking supporters of Robertson’s suspension to donate the cost of a duck call to the LGBT rights organization.

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not being judgmental toward anybody and never treat anyone with disrespect? Dunno about that...

1Corinthians 5:12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


James_2:1  My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
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Pope Francis Condemns Racism And Declares That “All Religions Are True” At Historic Third Vatican Council

For the last six months, Catholic cardinals, bishops and theologians have been deliberating in Vatican City, discussing the future of the church and redefining long-held Catholic doctrines and dogmas. The Third Vatican Council, is undoubtedly the largest and most important since the Second Vatican Council was concluded in 1962. Pope Francis convened the new council to “finally finish the work of the Second Vatican Council.” While some traditionalists and conservative reactionaries on the far right have decried these efforts, they have delighted progressives around the world.
 
The Third Vatican Council concluded today with Pope Francis announcing that Catholicism is now a “modern and reasonable religion, which has undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all intolerance. We must recognize that religious truth evolves and changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even atheists acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and charity the atheist acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own soul, becoming an active participant in the redemption of humanity.”

“Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful contemplation we have gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no longer believes in a literal hell where people suffer. This doctrine is incompatible with the infinite love of God. God is not a judge but a friend and a lover of humanity. God seeks not to condemn but only to embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a literary device. Hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, which like all souls ultimately will be united in love with God” Pope Francis declared.
 
In a speech that shocked many, the Pope claimed “All religions are true, because they are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. What other kind of truth is there? In the past, the church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today, we no longer judge. Like a loving father, we never condemn our children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the pro-life and the pro-choice! For conservatives and liberals, even communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and worship the same God.”
 
One statement in the Pope’s speech has sent traditionalists into a fit of confusion and hysteria. “God is changing and evolving as we are, For God lives in us and in our hearts. When we spread love and kindness in the world, we touch our own divinity and recognize it. The Bible is a beautiful holy book, but like all great and ancient works, some passages are outdated. Some even call for intolerance or judgement. The time has come to see these verses as later interpolations, contrary to the message of love and truth, which otherwise radiates through scripture. In accordance with our new understanding, we will begin to ordain women as cardinals, bishops and priests. In the future, it is my hope that we will have a woman pope one day. Let no door be closed to women that is open to men!”
 
In addition to the Pope’s sweeping calls for tolerance and a new progressive understanding of Catholicism, he condemned racism, raising his voice and pounding the podium in front of him. Pope Francis spent over an hour castigating anti-immigrant politicians, parties and individuals. Wagging his finger sternly with righteous indignation, the Pope shouted “Racism today is the ultimate evil in the world. When Italians, Spanish or French turn back the boats of African migrants seeking a better life, are they not like the inn keeper who told Mary and Joseph that there was no room for them and the infant Christ? These migrants are children of God and we are commanded to love them!”
 
His voice loudly echoing through St. Peter’s basilica, the Pope stated “those who would dare to turn immigrants away, be they legal or undocumented, turn their backs on Christ himself! A racist is not a true Christian. A racist casts aside his humanity to become a beast, a demon! He is the embodiment and personification of evil, a Satan!”
 
To a chorus of thunderous applause, Pope Francis stated “because Muslims, Hindus and African Animists are also made in the very likeness and image of God, to hate them is to hate God! To reject them to is to reject God and the Gospel of Christ. Whether we worship at a church, a synagogue, a mosque or a mandir, it does not matter. Whether we call God, Jesus, Adonai, Allah or Krishna, we all worship the same God of love. This truth is self-evident to all who have love and humility in their hearts!”
 
In a announcement that shocked many people, Pope Francis warned that “those who seek to deny a home to the migrant, to the African and the Muslim, risk their membership in the church. We will consider excommunication for those whose souls willingly dwell in the darkness and evil of intolerance and racism. Satan himself is a metaphor or a personification, for the collective evils of mankind. Today, these evils manifest foremost as racism, intolerance, religious persecution and bigotries of all kinds.”

A couple of prominent Catholic cardinals have responded to Pope Francis’ declarations by leaving the church. Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria asked, “what do we stand for if we declare that truth is relative? On the contrary, truth exists independently of our personal feelings. All of this talk of love and tolerance is hollow if we have no identity of our own, if we stand for nothing. I charge that Francis has become a heretic, and that he is not a valid Pope. Indeed, Francis is no longer even a Catholic. The seat of Saint Peter is vacant. I am now a Sedevacantist. I should have become one long ago. The Vatican has embraced ecumenism in the past, but worse than that, it has now embraced moral relativism on abortion and homosexuality. At the same time it is embracing moral absolutism in favour of illegal immigration and cultural genocide against Europe.”
 
In his most controversial statement, Cardinal Arinze said “Islam has overrun my own country, and now it threatens to overrun Europe. Some parts of Nigeria now live under Islamic Sharia law. Catholics there are no longer free to practice their faith publicly. Francis is a fool if he thinks that his liberal immigration policy will end well. He has betrayed western civilization. Vatican City will one day become a giant mosque if things continue in Europe along their present course. Those in the West who ignore this truth, do so at their own peril.”
 
In an angry and vitriolic rant revealing deep self-hating tendencies, the African Cardinal Arinze stated “There is nothing wrong with Europeans who want to protect their borders. The problem is that there is not enough border control and the immigration policies are far too lenient in Europe. Is it racist to desire to preserve one’s own home? Why is it racist to want to preserve your own culture and a future for your people and your children? Have white people gone stupid today?”
 
This much is clear, the Catholic Church has made a decision to rejoin humanity and to reject intolerance and extremism. The church has lost a few narrow-minded bigots, with reports of some small parishes and a few cardinals and bishops defecting, but Pope Francis has gained the friendship of the world. Pope Francis deserves praise for taking a humane stand in defence of human rights and against bigotry.

http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/pope-francis-condemns-racism-and-declares-that-all-religions-are-true-at-historic-third-vatican-council/
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And this demon is the leader of the RCC? Wow, the pope doesn't even know what truth is!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #382 on: December 23, 2013, 06:10:09 am »

Could you elaborate again over what he said? I remember some of the things he said(how since 1985, they laid out the blueprint for the 3rd Temple and hoped to get it completed by 2010. And how when their New Age "Christ" appeared, they expected "disappearances" from those who didn't respond to their Maitreya figure). But don't remember everything else he said.

This is a small part of what it says:

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At the proper moment in history, the Pope will visit the combined Jewish/Christian/Moslem sector of Jerusalem to announce that all religions should be combined into one.

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It seems that it's only a matter of time, now...
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« Reply #383 on: December 23, 2013, 06:23:27 am »

This is a small part of what it says:

And in light of this:

It seems that it's only a matter of time, now...

It is, with Europe now getting involved in the Israeli peace process, the Pope and the Catholic church showing their true colors, the way the world has turned its back on Israel and all the resent talk of building the Third temple, with all the crazy natural disasters going on around the world, YES!! it is very very soon
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« Reply #384 on: December 23, 2013, 09:38:52 am »

 Shocked Catholics over at FOX News must have spinning heads now!
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« Reply #385 on: December 23, 2013, 01:58:40 pm »

Let's see what comes of this Vatican sideshow they call a council. They don't exactly have these things every year, so it would seem they might not have another one for several decades, so I would think this is the time for the RCC to make some major moves with this council.

Like with the Antichrist, the False Prophet has to make an appearance at some point to direct the attention to the AC. I'm only speculating, but it seems like the False Prophet would need to be a rather powerful figure in some respect in the world. The RCC pope definitely fits the mold.
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i dont think we have that long....  Smiley to much stuff happening all at the same time...
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« Reply #387 on: December 23, 2013, 02:19:37 pm »

Yeah, that's kinda my point. I too don't see things going too much longer, and I don't see the RCC having the opportunity for another council decades later. Not enough time left, unless they hold one suddenly in a few years or so, which is not impossible, as these days are some strange times, causing man to act in ways they haven't before.
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It is, with Europe now getting involved in the Israeli peace process, the Pope and the Catholic church showing their true colors, the way the world has turned its back on Israel and all the resent talk of building the Third temple, with all the crazy natural disasters going on around the world, YES!! it is very very soon

Yeah, it most certainly is. Another thing I've stumbled across on this site:

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“The Old City of Jerusalem will become a “special regime”. It will be an autonomous, self-governing entity. The Chief Administrator will have minimum reliance on the existing regimes and structures”.

This is a policy proposal from “Jerusalem Old City Initiative”. The proposal is a fruit of the “peace process”, and inter faith dialogues between Jews, Muslims, Catholics and claimed to be “Christians”.

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What an exciting time to live in!
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A New Pope’s More Liberal Sway in China

Each year Cardinal John Tong Hon, the 74-year-old Catholic bishop of Hong Kong, records a brief videotaped Christmas message that fuses Catholic themes with local issues facing people in Hong Kong and mainland China. Recurrent themes include the sustaining power of families, the “virtues of sincerity, love and understanding,” and the need for affordable housing in the expensive and cramped city. Last year, Tong’s message focused on marriage: “In accord with Catholic teaching, we assert that marriage is a mutual self-giving and lifelong commitment between a man and a woman.”

This year, however, Cardinal Tong got a new, more progressive boss in Rome. Since assuming the papacy in March, Pope Francis has struck a different chord on gay rights. “If someone is gay, and he searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?” the new pontiff told reporters in July, a shift in rhetoric that inspired the Advocate, an American LGBT magazine, to name Pope Francis as its “Person of the Year.”

Cardinal Tong’s tone has shifted accordingly. In his 2013 Christmas address, Tong omitted any mention of church catechisms or assertions about who should marry. Instead, he emphasized compassion, rather than prescriptions or prohibitions. “I think intimate family relationships can strengthen our self-confidence and help us cherish our hope in life,” Tong said. “Even though life has its ups and downs, a close-knit family can be like a harbor in a storm.”

In November, Cardinal Joseph Zen, the emeritus bishop of Hong Kong, spoke to Vatican Insider about the impact of Pope Francis in greater China, where the PRC government maintains its own “Patriotic Catholic Association” without ties to the Vatican, but millions of ordinary Catholics still recognize the Pope’s authority. “In China, all those who can see him [Pope Francis] in some way, or can read about him somewhere, are really enthusiastic. They see a person who really wants to be close to the ordinary people, to the poor people,” said Cardinal Zen.

Another aspect of Cardinal Tong’s address this year also attracted attention in Hong Kong: “Our hope is that celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ will help us work together in building happy families and a free democratic society.” Thus far, Pope Francis has avoided making any explicit statements about the Chinese government or the Vatican’s long-standing rift with Beijing.
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