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« on: February 25, 2012, 02:32:23 pm »

I live in Seattle & a few of my friends go to neo-calvinist Mars Hill Church, so I thought I'd do a little research as to WHY Driscoll is so controversial... according to my MHC friends, it is because of his "radical" stance against homosexuality & for biblical gender roles, which is criticized by Liberals & feminists for being "too conservative"... yet his assertive discussion of sex within a marriage tends to upset the conservative christians for being "too liberal"... I did my own research and the more I look into this guy, the more I think about the "leaven of the Pharisees"... where I agree with 95% of what he says, but the other 5% is poison...! 

This goes well beyond his yoking up with Freemasons like Robert Schuller or promoting  CFR stooges like Rick Warren... this plunges deep into dangerous territory like his unbiblical form of spiritual warfare by talking to the demons to get information from them, or his mind-control techniques to keep his followers in line (i.e. "I see things" or "I'll break their noses!")... Driscoll is also promoting a form of Catholic Mysticism, through "Contemplative Prayer".  I believe that the "emergent church movement" is the main way that the Jesuits will bring the various New Evengelical and Protestant groups back into the Catholic Church fold by promoting these New Age forms of "white" Witchcraft to the new generation of cultural christians...

Driscoll claims that Jesus shows him things in his mind like a TV ("I see things") in his video series on "spiritual warfare", of seeing in his mind's eye cases of adultery & domestic violence & child abuse of some of his congregates, and when the victim doesn't remember the incident of incest,  then supposedly "jesus" tells Mark to tell them to confront their abuser in order to verify his "gift" of "spiritual discernment" ... When the abuser asked "how did you know, you were too young?", they said "Mark said so"...  end of story...
Honestly, does that sound like something that would actually happen...?

Granted there's no way to verify these outrageous claims, but sure enough, folks in that church must wonder if "jesus" isn't showing Mark their secret sins as well, & then they will be confronted about it or have to sign a Church Discipline Contract or something...!  Even if it were true, it is invasive and abusive to accuse someone of past victimizations like that, just because you are in a position of authority and have a "gift"... These are marks of a cult leader... megalomania, fixation on sex, joking threats of violence against "elders" that don't toe the line, and convincing the flock that he can "read their mail" of their unconfessed sins or victimizations...

Mark Driscoll was raised Catholic, then was part of the Emergent Church Movement, before settling into his "Culturally Liberal & Theologically Conservative" mode... It is a "cult of personality" phenomena... They spend a lot of energy letting everyone know that they are "All About Jesus"... yet at the end of the day, it seems more about Mark Driscoll and the "Mars Hill" brand than about Christ... When MHC first got off the ground, Mark preached that there would be accountability from the leadership to the congregation, yet in 2007, they restructured the power structure of MHC to make Mark & 4 "elders" to have "lifetime tenure", and they could not be held accountable anymore... two of the original elders voiced their concerns about this change, and they were quickly sacked and ex-communicated... Then Mark preached that he should "break the noses" of anyone who dared to challenge HIS authority...!   

Then there is the most recent storm that came out when one of the members confessed to his "Community Group" leader that he cheated on his fiance, and despite his voluntary confession of repentance, Andrew was accused by the leadership of not actually being repentant, and the ensuing control-freak tactics and extreme disciplinary measures remind me of what the Scientology Cult, Marxist re-education camps, and Secret Society Fraternities do to their own members... (i.e. have to write lists of ALL of their lifetime of sexual sins to be kept on file, exposure of their "dirty laundry" to the rest of their Community Group as retribution for non-compliance, and then "shunning" the transgressor by not allowing any of the church members to make any contact with them on their own time...!) 
Sounds like the Catholic Church during the Dark Ages..!

Here are three written testimonies of those who chose to leave MHC on their own accord...
http://twocleareyes.blogspot.com/2012/01/mars-hill-altar-of-doctrin...
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/01/25/mark-driscolls-mars-hill-a-t...
http://matthewpaulturner.net/jesus-needs-new-pr/mark-driscolls-chur...

In Mark's own words...
"I see things"   
Shut up and do what you're told
Beating up your own leaders
How to keep my elders in line and obedient
http://pastormark.tv/2011/11/07/16-things-i-look-for-in-a-preacher

The rest of this post is from the following website:
www.onewayofjesus.com/1/post/2011/03/mark-driscoll-promoter-of-cont...
Though Mark Driscoll has denounced the Emergent Church Movement and stated that it is unbiblical (http://www.marshillchurch.org/audio/driscoll_sebts_092107.mp3), he still embraces "Contemplative prayer". See "Christian Post Says Mark Driscoll 'Ditches' Emergent but Evidence Proves Otherwise" (http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=2009).

This is huge right now with many prominent evangelicals (especially those in the emerging, purpose-driven and seeker-sensitive movements) like Pastor Rick Warren, who in his book "The Purpose-Driven Life" positively quotes no less than nine mystics including Gary Thomas (Sacred Pathways) (http://www.onewayofjesus.com/rick-warren-and-the-purpose-driven---c...) and even popular Pastor Tim Keller of Redeemer Presbyterian Church has been recommending Roman Catholic mysticism (http://apprising.org/2011/01/27/tim-keller-recommending-roman-catho...). His church's website has an article by Jan Johnson titled "Meditation: Not So Mysterious - Two ways to move Scripture off the page and into your life" (http://www.redeemer.com/connect/prayer/prayer_johnson_article.html) which promotes the book Spiritual Exercises by Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits (see http://www.thebereancall.org/node/1796 andhttp://www.onewayofjesus.com/attacks-on-protestant-christians--oath...). This same article on Redeemer Presbyterian's website also promotes the Catholic mystical practice of Lectio Divina.

More fun facts about the "Driscoll Inferno"...
http://marshillrefuge.blogspot.com/
http://thewartburgwatch.com/
http://www.yelp.com/biz/mars-hill-church-seattle

Pastor Mark has a history of dishonesty.
In the Mars Hill Doctrine series, he used a fake quote to try to smear atheists.http://driscontinuity.tumblr.com/post/15231214839/cant-find-a-quote...
He can’t remember if God audibly spoke to him in Idaho or Washington:http://driscontinuity.tumblr.com/post/14297925997/washington-or-idaho
He tried to blame Ted Haggard’s wife for his actions, then later denied ever saying anything about the Haggards: http://driscontinuity.tumblr.com/post/16120606145/pastor-mark-lies-...

My apologies if some of the hyperlinks didn't work...
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2012, 12:00:08 pm »

Mars Hill Church Outlines What It Takes to Be a Christian, Member

Mars Hill Church in Seattle is preparing for another growth spurt this fall. Needing all the help it can get, the megachurch is currently recruiting volunteers who are genuine Christians to help care for the expanding congregation.
To make sure these lay leaders are in fact Christian, Mars Hill founding pastor Mark Driscoll is currently preaching on what it means to be a Christian and what the Church is.

"Many churches allow anyone and everyone to become a member of the church. They get to vote on things. They get to lead ministries. They get to teach others. We do want to welcome everyone, but we reserve official membership of the church for those who know and love Jesus," Driscoll said in his message Sunday.

"We firmly believe unless it's about Jesus and the Holy Spirit shows up, it's not Christian."

The difference between non-Christians and Christians is that while the former may appreciate and admire the life of Jesus, Christians experience the power of Jesus in their lives, he explained.

Part of that experience includes repentance.

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Mars Hill Church drew controversy earlier this year over its strict membership and church discipline process. A number of blogs and a letter by a pastor at Mars Hill revealed what some considered harsh discipline tactics involving member of the church who cheated on his fiancée and who also had premarital sexual relations with his fiancée.

Mars Hill responded to the controversy in February, stating, "Because we take our responsibility as leaders seriously and wish to steward it well, we make the process clear in our membership process and only administer church discipline for members who understand what we believe and have agreed to undergo the process in the regrettable case it becomes necessary."

The church clarified that discipline is handled at a local level and does not involve central leadership such as Driscoll. It also stated that it would review current church discipline cases to make sure "all our local leaders are operating within the spirit of love intended to be present in our existing policies."

The Seattle-based megachurch is experiencing rapid growth, drawing more than 11,000 attendees every week to 14 locations in four states. Last year, 1,135 people were baptized and Driscoll called it the most fruitful year they've had in 15 years of history. Excited for the ministry, Driscoll chose to "hand off" other responsibilities, such as leading the Acts 29 church planters network, to focus on the church.

As Mars Hill continues to see growth, Driscoll is making very clear what it takes to be a member and leader at the church.

The church, he preached, consists of "regenerated church members." And holiness is a big part of that, he noted.

"f you're a Christian, we want to help you walk in holiness. We want to help you walk away from sin. We want to help you walk toward Jesus. Now, we don't want to be controlling. There are far too many people, we could never control. But we do want to influence you to submit to the Scriptures, to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and to pursue holiness by the grace of God."

The Reformed pastor continued, "Some churches will say, 'Well, come as you are.' Here's how we say it, 'Come as you are, meet Jesus, and change forever.' Everyone is welcome to come, but once you meet Jesus, you start to change. You start to hate sin and pursue holiness. You stop rebelling, you start obeying. Your nature changes, your desires change, your life changes.

"Let me put it this way, any church that doesn't encourage its people toward holiness, in love, in community, doesn't really love the people."

Driscoll expressed how strict they are when it comes to those serving in the church, stating that they "need to guard the gate of membership."

"[A]s Jesus builds his church you may be one of those bricks that he lays down to build his church. But you need to be qualified, so we're looking at your doctrine, what do you believe. We're looking at your lifestyle, how do you live. We want to know that you're a member of the church, and that you love the people," he stated.

"What we're looking for is people who love Jesus who have exemplary lives. Not perfect, but humble people, growing in the grace of God, who really love the church."

Driscoll is scheduled continue his "Jesus Loves His Church" series for another nine weeks. He plans to discuss the qualifications for leadership offices such as elders, pastors and deacons, and the sacraments such as baptism, among other things.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mars-hill-church-outlines-what-it-takes-to-be-a-christian-member-77802/
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...As Mars Hill continues to see growth, Driscoll is making very clear what it takes to be a member and leader at the church.

The church, he preached, consists of "regenerated church members." And holiness is a big part of that, he noted.

"f you're a Christian, we want to help you walk in holiness. We want to help you walk away from sin. We want to help you walk toward Jesus...

As if God needs help.

Clearly a "works" doctrine, and not of faith. It's designed to make the people look to the "church elders" for guidance instead of pointing them to Jesus the Word, all for the love of money.

25   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 
26   [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Matthew 23:25,26 (KJB)
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Mark Driscoll 'Crashes' John MacArthur's Strange Fire Conference? (PHOTOS) And then tells lies about it

Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Church in Washington state, made his way Friday to Pastor John MacArthur's Strange Fire conference in California to hand out copies of his new book, A Call to Resurgence: Will Christianity Have a Funeral or a Future? and presumably share his views on the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit — which the Strange Fire conference challenges.

Driscoll shared Thursday on his Resurgence.com blog in a post titled "IS THE TRINITY FATHER, SON, AND HOLY BIBLE?" that he would be in California for a specific engagement, and was aware of Pastor MacArthur's Strange Fire conference.

"This week I am in the land of fruits and nuts — sunny California — for Act Like Men in Long Beach. Rumor has it there is a conference not far away dealing with the person and work of the Holy Spirit," writes Driscoll in his post.

In the blog post, Driscoll writes, "Various tribes approach the Holy Spirit differently because each emphasizes a different aspect of his work."

Driscoll has said in a previous sermon that his church believes in speaking in tongues, a charismatic gift of the Holy Spirit, according to the Bible. MacArthur, on the other hand, is a cessationist who believes that such charismatic gifts are no longer made available by the Holy Spirit to modern Christians.

Driscoll has posted photos of himself talking with attendees at MacArthur's Strange Fire conference on Friday, where he did indeed hand out copies of his new book — until they were reportedly seized by members of the Strange Fire security team.

According to Mike Riccardi, the local outreach pastor at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles who was apparently in attendance at the Strange Fire conference, Driscoll was untrutful about his books being confiscated by security.

He wrote on Facebook:

    Mark Driscoll openly lies about what happened at his publicity stunt at Strange Fire.

    The director of the conference explained to Driscoll that those who are distributing books have gone through an extensive process and that they'd like him not to distribute them. After continuing to direct attendees to take the books, security offered to help him take the books back to his car. Driscoll insisted multiple times, "No, they're my gift to Grace Church. I want you to have them." After insisting that security not help him with the books back to the car, the conference director accepted the gift and brought them to GCC offices.

    That's what happened. Driscoll's reporting of it in such a way is nothing short of lying, absolutely shameful, and unbefitting of one who would take upon himself the calling of preaching the Truth.

One commenter reading Riccardi's Facebook post suggested that the Mars Hill Church pastor had only been joking, writing: "To be clear, I am not a fan of Driscoll and have watched the entire live stream this week. Is it possible that Driscoll's Instagram/Tweet was a "joke", albeit a poor one?"

rest: http://www.christianpost.com/buzzvine/mark-driscoll-crashes-john-macarthurs-strange-fire-conference-photos-106976/
 
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Sadly, I've heard a number of modern-day church pastors endorse this heretic.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 09:26:48 am »

Driscoll is a new-age demon possed nut job that has familiar spirits and revel in the fact that he is going against the Lord. Also notice his Micky Mouse Tshirt...

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Justin Peters joins Brannon today to talk about being a keynote speaker at the Strange Fire conference that is making national and international news. One report is that last week the Strange Fire conference was the number one tweeted item on Twitter. Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle showed up at the conference and reports are that he wanted to pass out his book that was opposite from the views being taught at the conference. Driscoll then claimed his books were confiscated. Conference hosts and attendees and security that witnessed the encounter are saying that Driscoll is not being honest. Why was James McDonald with Driscoll for this stunt? Hear the shocking audio of Driscoll claiming to have visions of things that have happen to people in the past. Just what is the source of these visions that Driscoll is receiving? Is Driscoll involved in mysticism? We take your calls.

 
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 10:30:12 am »

3 years ago I crossed paths with a pastor who seemed surprisingly discerning on a number of issues - the evils of Catholicism, Freemasonry, Islam, Mormonism, Christian Science, etc. Pretty much one of the few pastors nowdays who are brave enough to warn his pews about it.

HOWEVER - considering this, it was a surprise to hear he's a big follower of Mark Driscoll. I don't know why anyone would be a follower of someone who's foul mouthed and heretical.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 10:42:04 pm »

So you have John MacArthur exposing Mark Driscoll, the Charismatic Movement, and the Emergent Church. But en yet he endorses the idea that you can get saved even if you take the mark of the beast?

If anything, everything in Churchianity has become a dog and pony, puppet show.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mark-driscoll-invites-john-macarthur-to-resurgence-conference-asks-for-face-to-face-meeting-107447/
Mark Driscoll Invites John MacArthur to Resurgence Conference, Asks for Face-to-Face Meeting
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In perhaps what could be considered a promotional game of "book wars," or simply a dispute over theological differences, megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll has invited Grace For You ministry leader and pastor John MacArthur to the upcoming Resurgence event via an open letter.

Both MacArthur's Strange Fire 3-day conference held last week in Sun Valley, Calif., and Driscoll's Resurgence conference in Seattle planned for Nov. 5-6, center around the themes of the two pastors new books — MacArthur's Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit With Counterfeit Worship and Driscoll's A Call to Resurgence: Will Christianity Have a Funeral or a Future?

While many in the Christian community were buzzing over MacArthur's position against the Charismatic movement, which he shared last week at his conference, Driscoll made an unauthorized impromptu book signing at MacArthur's Strange Fire event last Friday.

Shortly after beginning the informal book signing near the back of the church property where the conference was held, Driscoll was told he could no longer pass out the books. A church official helping with the Strange Fire conference security told The Christian Post later that MacArthur and his staff had no problem with Driscoll's appearance at the event, they were just enforcing standard conference proceedure in allowing only pre-approved material.

However, the deeper controversy surrounding the discussion about the person and work of the Holy Spirit is something Driscoll wants to publicly discuss with MacArthur. In a section of his open letter invitation to MacArthur, under the sub-headline "Two Books, God's Timing," Driscoll writes:

Despite taking numerous shots from you over the years (some of which I deserved, as I had erred and needed to publicly repent and grow by the Spirit's grace), I have never responded publicly with anything negative regarding you.

Pastor John, though we've never met, I think I know enough about you to assume that you and I both know that our names don't really matter much, but that the name of God the Holy Spirit matters greatly.

With your Strange Fire conference and book you are, insofar as I can tell, pressing for a conversation among God's people about the person and work of the Holy Spirit. I would agree with you that error and excess are often perpetrated, tragically, in the name of the Holy Spirit. This grieves him deeply.

At the same time, like many, I also think that, since the majority of Christians worldwide are not cessationists (believing that some gifts of the Spirit have ceased), it is unreasonable and unhelpful to broad brush faithful brothers and sisters in Christ along with those who may not be faithful or may not even be brothers and sisters in Christ.

Curiously, we've been thinking about some of the same things. In God's providence, your book, "Strange Fire," and my book, "A Call To Resurgence," are coming out within a week of one another. In our respective books, we offer very different visions for what faithful, biblical Christianity should look like in light of a culture increasingly opposed to biblical truth. I am convinced there is a more biblically faithful alternative than tribalism and cessationism.

In "A Call To Resurgence" I lay out the way that culture has changed, and how Bible-believing, Jesus-loving, mission-serving Christians have quickly become an opposed minority. I then explain the cultural trends that have contributed to this shift, and also how tribalism has hurt the Church, as tribal leaders have their own tribes, tribal conferences, and tribal wars with other tribes, which causes us to talk about one another rather than with one another.

I then explain how important it is for us to rightly define our borders: who is in and who is out when it comes to essential Christian doctrines. I discuss the Holy Spirit, how he empowers Jesus' people for Jesus' mission—as he did Jesus—and how sad it is that we wrongly divide over the Spirit's person. This can grieve and quench the Spirit, which of course are two things the Bible he wrote condemns.

From there, I present repentance as something we must preach and practice regularly if we are to be faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ. The book ends with a call to mission and practical ways for churches to be faithful to Scripture and fruitful in culture. The book's appendix includes more details on tribes and movements, as well as some warnings for tribal "chiefs" like you and me.

Since I left half a box of "A Call To Resurgence" books at your church, you should easily be able to find one to read. And I will be reading "Strange Fire" once it releases so as to be fair in seeking to understand your vision for what is wrong and what needs to happen to get things right in the church.


Driscoll "formally" invites MacArthur to the Resurgence Conference in the letter, stating that he will pay for his travel, give an honorarium of MacArthur's choice, and cover the travel costs of his pastoral staff as well. In the letter, he then gives five time slots during the conference to choose from where a discussion between the two pastors could take place.

Then he adds, "Finally, I have spoken with Dr. Wayne Grudem, who has taught for both of us. If you would prefer to sit down with him instead of me at our Resurgence Conference, he has graciously agreed and would be happy to have a pleasant and polite public conversation with you about the person and work of God the Holy Spirit for one of the main sessions."
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 05:04:45 pm »

Mark Driscoll Accused of Lying and Plagiarism

 In a post reflecting on the negative impact that the culture of celebrity is having on the evangelical church, Carl Trueman raised the question: Who dares to ask well-known leaders hard questions anymore?

Christian radio host, Janet Mefferd, dared to do so in her recent interview with Mark Driscoll. The interview, which had been set up at the request of Mark Driscoll’s public relations team, is causing more than a few ripples of controversy.

Pointing to evidence both in video and in print, she asked the well-known author and pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle how certain incidences could be anything other than matters of lying and plagiarism. Mefferd’s question about lying had to do with a tweet that Driscoll sent at a conference he visited. The tweet contradicted video footage of an exchange between Driscoll and the head of security for the conference. (See below.) The question about plagiarism arose when Janet told Mark that as she prepared for the interview she read his latest book A Call to Resurgence.

Plagiarizing Peter Jones?
In Driscoll's book, she noted 14 pages of ideas and concepts developed by Dr. Peter Jones, a friend of Mefferd’s with whose work she is intimately acquainted. During the interview, Mefferd wondered aloud how 14 pages without proper citation could be a mere oversight on the part of Driscoll. Mark fired back with accusations that Janet was being rude and unkind. The publisher, Tyndale, has since issued the following statement (via Jonathan Merritt, Religion News Service) regarding the allegations:

Tyndale House Publishers was provided a recording of the show by representatives of Pastor Driscoll. A number of people at Tyndale reviewed the tape and were stunned, not only by the accusations, but by the belligerent tone of Ms. Mefferd’s questioning. When Ms. Mefferd asked Pastor Driscoll her first question to accuse him of plagiarism, she did not invoke Peter Jones’s name. The first person that Pastor Driscoll credited in his response was Mr. Jones. Pastor Driscoll also credits Mr. Jones in the section that Janet refers to in Mark’s book, A Call to Resurgence.

Tyndale has taken immediate steps as in the process of reviewing the section of Pastor Driscoll’s book that has been called into question. Pastor Driscoll has also reached out to Mr. Jones and we expect to be able to release some information on his reaction to the interview very soon.

Lying at John MacArthur’s Strange Fire Conference?
According to Mark Driscoll, he was simply giving away his books at John MacArthur’s Strange Fire Conference because he happened to be in the general area at the same time. The conference organizers came to Mark and explained that other book distributors on the campus had to go through proper channels weeks in advance to take part in the event. Mark had not done this. Instead, he had self-authorized his visit to the campus of Grace Community Church where thousands of conference attendees were gathered. The conference organizers exercised their prerogative to view Mark’s visit as an unwelcome distraction, and Mark’s books would need to go back to his car.

This video clip shows that the head of security for Grace Community Church was getting ready to take his books back to Mark’s car. But then Mark insisted, “I’d like to give them as a gift to Grace.”

As Mark departed the campus, he tweeted “Security confiscated my books.” #strangefire



 Star Power vs. the Power of God’s Word

According to Carl Trueman, the real issue appears to be star power vs. the power of basic New Testament ethics. He laments:

“The fan base and those with a vested interest in Driscoll's reputation rally around their hero while excoriating Janet Mefferd. In so doing, they ironically demonstrate why shows such as Janet Mefferd's can be so very important: if the conservative evangelical world continues to be increasingly dominated by one or two huge media-style organizations, the conversation will be corralled and controlled, the hard questions will not be asked, and the leaders of such organizations and those over whom they choose to extend their patronage will not be held to account.”

What do you think? By asking hard questions, are journalists exercising a kind of unwarranted authority over pastors and Christian authors? Was Janet Mefferd’s interview out of line? Are some Christians above the authority of basic New Testament ethics?

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On Nov. 21, I conducted an interview with Mars Hill Church Pastor Mark Driscoll. During the course of the interview, I questioned Pastor Driscoll about two sections of his book, “A Call to Resurgence,” which neglected to contain any quotes, detailed footnotes or attribution for his reproduction of another scholar’s thoughts and insights. The passages in question are on pages 38-47 and pages 185-189 of Pastor Driscoll’s book. Those pages of material all borrow from the original material of Dr. Peter Jones, cited here in his books, “Gospel Truth and Pagan Lies” and “One or Two: Seeing a World of Difference.”

Today, we also revealed that Pastor Driscoll has lifted material from another source — word for word — in another of his books, “Trial: 8 Witnesses From 1&2 Peter.” This was a book published in 2009 by Mars Hill Church. On pages 7 and 8, Driscoll lifts and publishes, under his own name, an entire section from “1 Peter,” New Bible Commentary: 21st Century Edition, Ed. D. A. Carson, 4th ed. (Downers Grove, Ill.: Inter-Varsity Press, 1994), p. 1370.

MATERIAL SCREENSHOTS HERE

On Nov. 23, Pastor Driscoll posted an article on his website, entitled “We Even Lie About Our Lying.” In that article, he writes the following: “Deception is where we twist the truth into a weapon for harm and destruction. Cheating in school. Half-truths on a resume. Falsifying reports at work. Double-billing clients. And, pastors are notorious for ‘borrowing’ material. All of us are guilty of deception to some degree. Its prevalence, however, does not change the fact that deception is a demonic, satanic issue.” http://marshill.com/2013/11/23/we-even-lie-about-our-lying

It is evident from this article and from his own sermons and website material that Pastor Driscoll understands the seriousness of committing plagiarism.

Scripture is clear that Christians are to be holy, exhibiting the highest standards of ethics, integrity and morality in obedience to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. There is an even higher standard of conduct expected for Christian pastors, as Scripture clearly says they must be “above reproach.” (I Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6) Plagiarism is a significant ethical breach that has ended the careers of academics and journalists alike, and especially in view of our calling before God to be upright and godly, Christians should not dismiss such charges lightly.

Since many listeners have asked for the evidence of our claims, we have compiled 27 pages of material for public investigation. It is our hope that people will examine the evidence and determine whether or not these charges of plagiarism are true.

“But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: ‘Be holy, because I am holy.’” (I Peter 1:15-16)

For the glory of God,
Janet

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Janet Mefferd Show-11/21/2013

November 21, 2013 by Janet Mefferd Show 
Hour 2- Janet talks with Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill Church.


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Janet Mefferd Show-11/26/2013
Hour 2- Janet discusses whether or not Mars Hill Church Pastor Mark Driscoll is guilty of plagiarism.

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On Nov. 23, Pastor Driscoll posted an article on his website, entitled “We Even Lie About Our Lying.” In that article, he writes the following: “Deception is where we twist the truth into a weapon for harm and destruction. Cheating in school. Half-truths on a resume. Falsifying reports at work. Double-billing clients. And, pastors are notorious for ‘borrowing’ material. All of us are guilty of deception to some degree. Its prevalence, however, does not change the fact that deception is a demonic, satanic issue.”

That's b/c the modern-day church pastor does a lot of things wrong to begin with - using corrupt bible versions, being "lords" over the flocks, paying more attention to funding $$ to their church buildings, attending to other activities that have nothing to do with their churches, etc, etc.
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And, pastors are notorious for ‘borrowing’ material.

He says that as if it's common among "pastors". By "borrowing", I assume he means the borrowing of sermon material? Like I've said in the past, how can one who is moved by the Spirit write what to preach days before he actually preaches the sermon? That's not how the Spirit works. The Spirit works " in that hour", and how the Spirit wants to act, not how the preacher wants.
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He says that as if it's common among "pastors". By "borrowing", I assume he means the borrowing of sermon material? Like I've said in the past, how can one who is moved by the Spirit write what to preach days before he actually preaches the sermon? That's not how the Spirit works. The Spirit works " in that hour", and how the Spirit wants to act, not how the preacher wants.

You also don't see this in any of these modern-day churches...

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Flunking Mark Driscoll for Plagiarism

Mega-church pastor Mark Driscoll just can’t seem to avoid controversy. He’s crass and brash, and he says outrageous things. He’s always making some Christian somewhere uncomfortable. This time, however, it’s not about the words that he’s said. It’s that he’s claimed the words that other people have said.
 
On November 21, Janet Mefferd, a radio host, accused Driscoll of plagiarism. She pointed out that passages from his new book, A Call to Resurgence: Will Christianity Have a Funeral or a Future?, reproduce ideas from a book by Peter Jones published in 1999, Gospel Truth/Pagan Lies: Can You Tell the Difference? Driscoll blew off her assertion. Mefferd has uploaded a comparison of the similar passages, along with some other suspect passages, here.
 
If I had come across the Call to Resurgence passage, I’d have been concerned about the lack of citation, but I might have just shrugged it off as ineptitude.
 
Some of the other evidence that Mefferd found is more damning. In a book on First and Second Peter published by Mars Hill Church, Driscoll lifts whole paragraphs almost word-for-word from the entry on First Peter in the New Bible Commentary, published by IVP in 1994. These passages are at the end of the previous link, and Mefferd provides additional passages here.
 
I’m a university professor. I have no tolerance for this kind of nonsense. I’ve failed students for less flagrant plagiarism. So, it’s my duty, as a member of my professing profession, to give Driscoll an “F.”
 
Mark Driscoll, you have failed.
 
I’ve dealt with a number of plagiarists, and it seems to me that plagiarism stems from two issues. I’ll let you decide which problem Driscoll suffers from, because there obviously is a problem.
 
1. Laziness. Writing is hard work, so some writers don’t want to do it right. Laziness also leads to procrastination. Getting behind schedule causes writers to cut corners and plagiarize.
 
2. Ignorance. I don’t mean ignorance of the conventions of proper citation. Everyone knows not to steal other people’s words. I mean ignorance of the topic. Sometimes people plagiarize because they are incompetent. They don’t know enough about their topic to ask interesting questions and provide interesting answers. Thus they must regurgitate what someone else has done. Becoming competent would take too much work (see reason one), and admitting incompetence would be embarrassing.
 
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is pretty common in Christian publishing. I remember when I was in seminary I came across a couple of paragraphs in a new commentary that had been lifted word-for-word from a very old commentary. I told my professor about it, and he shook his head sadly. He said, “I know that author. I can’t believe he did that.” We didn’t have blogs back then. It was much more difficult to “out” the plagiarists.
 
Of course, perhaps Driscoll isn’t a plagiarist. Maybe he employed a ghostwriter who is a plagiarist. It’d be convenient to have a scapegoat right now. But even if it was his ghostwriter, I’ll still fail him because we university professors don’t actually approve of ghostwriting. I know it’s typical in Christian publishing, but it’s still lying. Ghostwriting is lying, and plagiarism is stealing, and there seems to be a lot of it going around.
 
I’m sorry, Pastor Mark, but I don’t give extra credit. You’ll be stuck with the grade you’ve earned on this one.

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The Evangelical Industrial Complex Admitted By Ingrid Schlueter

The Evangelical Industrial Complex

Admitted by Ingrid Schlueter

-It's as though a "Machine" insider spilled the beans, was threatened by "The Machine", and found where "The Machine" line is-


Ingrid Schlueter quote -

“I was a part-time, topic producer for Janet Mefferd until yesterday when I resigned over this situation. All I can share is that there is an evangelical celebrity machine that is more powerful than anyone realizes. You may not go up against the machine. That is all. Mark Driscoll clearly plagiarized and those who could have underscored the seriousness of it and demanded accountability did not. That is the reality of the evangelical industrial complex.”

Before we say anything about the above quote we just want to say we don’t endorse anyone mentioned in this post because we don’t endorse anyone as a policy. We don’t seek endorsements either.

Having said that, we want to applaud Ingrid Schlueter for saying what she said, for someone who is VERY CLOSE or ACTUALLY IN “The Machine”, that took guts to say that. We pray Ingrid gets as far away from “The Machine” as she can.

The original above quote was removed right after it had been posted. It pertains to the Mark Driscoll plagiarism issue.

Of course we already know about “The Merchandising Church Machine” or  as Ingrid said, the "Evangelical Celebrity Machine" or “The Evangelical Industrial Complex”.

It’s all about the “love of money” which is “the root of all evil”.

1 Timothy 6:9-10 – “But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

The Greek root word for the word “love” in 1 Timothy 6:10 is “philos” which means “a friend”.

A general rule of thumb we have discovered for anyone to consider is –

The more popular the person, the more they are in “The Machine” and the more they will defend others in “The Machine”.


These people may have started out with the best of intentions but they ended up on the wrong path.



People get caught up in the popularity, fans tell them how great they are which feeds right in to the sinful flesh which then puffs them up with pride. The pride blinds them, repeat it over and over. Then they are “promoted” in to popularity and fame in “The Machine”, they are spiritually blinded but they can’t see it because their own pride blinds them. Before you know it, they are covering up exposed liars, plagiarizers and whatever else is evil.

Obadiah 1:3 - "The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee.."

The end result is “The Machine” will hire and protect known exposed liars, as we have seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. Oh it will look like the truth when they quote Bible verses, but when they cover up exposed liars as we have demonstrated, that’s not the truth, THAT'S DARKNESS. They are not obeying what they allegedly promote.

John 11:26 – “And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

Jesus said if we LIVE and believe in Him, we shall never die.

The folks in “The Machine” may believe in Jesus, but they aren’t living in Jesus. They are divided.

So they have an appearance of light, but it’s really darkness.

Matthew 6:22-24 – “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”

“The Machine” serves mammon, has the “appearance of light” but is full of darkness. It has NOTHING to do the God of Truth.

Their eye is NOT single, it’s NOT on God only, it’s on money and God, that can’t happen according to Jesus.

•Money & God cannot co-exist to equal light.
•Money & God = darkness that has the appearance of light (dual eye)
•God = light (single eye)

This allows TRUTH to go forward with no hindrance of being affected by the "philos" or "friendship" with money. TRUTH is single.

The love of money is the root of all evil, their eye is on money, and they are full of darkness on the inside with the appearance of light on the outside. The end result is covering up exposed liars in “The Machine”. NOT ALL TRUTH.

Remember the Greek root word for the word “love” in 1 Timothy 6:10 is “philos” which means “a friend”.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 – “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

Here is a link to the issue for further information –

http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2013/12/06/mefferd-producer-resigns-driscoll-controversy/

It appears much or all the comments have been removed, however Julie Anne at Spiritual Sounding Board put this Twitter slide show together that I thought was beneficial –

[Twitter slide show in link]

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The apostate "church" system is none other than Satan's pr division ("...say they are Jews and are not..."), and ultimately, will be promoted and run by the False Prophet, who I believe may well be the Pope. If not him, then I think he may be some spiritual person that doesn't promote any one religion, a kind of universal metro-religion where everybody is welcome kind of ideology.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2 (KJB)
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Plagiarism Accusation Raises More Questions for Driscoll

Accusations of plagiarism surrounding Seattle megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll have raised troubling questions about the Christian publishing industry and the way celebrity pastors produce and market books.
 
First, the facts: On Nov. 21 Driscoll appeared on Janet Mefferd’s radio program to discuss his new book, A Call to Resurgence, published by Tyndale House Publishers. Mefferd maintains Driscoll’s representatives initiated the request for his appearance. As part of her preparation for the interview, Mefferd encountered several passages in Driscoll’s book that sounded familiar. A bit of research revealed the familiar passages were uncredited passages taken verbatim from a book written by Peter Jones, scholar in residence at Westminster Seminary California. Mefferd confronted Driscoll on the air in what quickly became an awkward and contentious interview on her program, which is syndicated by the Salem Radio Network (SRN), the nation’s largest Christian radio network.
 
After the interview, and in part as a response to criticism that she had unfairly confronted Driscoll about a “mistake” that did not rise to the level of intentional plagiarism, Mefferd put more examples of Driscoll’s uncredited use of other people’s material on her website. But on Dec. 4, Mefferd took the material down from her website and issued an on-air apology for the way she handled Driscoll’s interview, though she did not retract her accusations of plagiarism.
 
Since then, Mefferd has been publicly silent on the matter, but others have suggested she was pressured into making the apology. The day after Mefferd’s apology, Ingrid Schlueter, a part-time researcher for Mefferd who also helped book guests for the program, resigned in protest over the way Mefferd had been treated, posting her reasons online:
 
“All I can share is that there is an evangelical celebrity machine that is more powerful than anyone realizes. You may not go up against the machine. That is all. Mark Driscoll clearly plagiarized and those who could have underscored the seriousness of it and demanded accountability did not. That is the reality of the evangelical industrial complex.”
 
Salem denies putting pressure on Mefferd or being pressure by Tyndale House or any other Christian publisher. To clarify its relationship with Salem, Tyndale issued a statement, saying:
 
“There is a misperception about the term ‘media partnership’ when it comes to Salem and Tyndale. It simply means that Tyndale advertises on SRN. We have in the past and we expect to continue to do so. The quote from Aprel Mabson (Tyndale’s advertising and promotions coordinator) on the Salem site is nothing more than a testimonial about the positive relationship that Tyndale has had advertising on Salem shows.”
 
Tyndale also issued a statement defending its author, Driscoll:
 
“Tyndale House takes any accusation of plagiarism seriously and has therefore conducted a thorough in-house review of the original material and sources provided by the author. After this review we feel confident that the content in question has been properly cited in the printed book and conforms to market standards.”
 
Warren Throckmorton, a professor at Grove City College, has been following the Driscoll-Mefferd controversy. Throckmorton came to national attention in 2012 for exposing problems in the work of David Barton. He found the Tyndale statement disheartening.
 
“It is a shame that a Christian publisher would cite ‘market standards’ when there are biblical standards to go by,” Throckmorton said. “Christian publishers should aspire to more than mere industry standards.”
 
At least one Christian publisher said Driscoll’s books do not even rise to that low bar.
 
InterVarsity Press—publisher of the New Bible Commentary, edited by G.J. Wenham, J.A. Motyer, D.A. Carson, and R.T. France—released a statement saying “several paragraphs” of Driscoll’s book Trial: 8 Witnesses from 1 & 2 Peter “improperly” used the IVP commentary “without quotation or attribution.”
 
Tyndale did not publish Trial. Instead, it was published by Mars Hill Church, where Driscoll is the founding pastor. After InterVarsity issued its statement, Mars Hill pulled the book from its website and issued a statement, saying in part:
 
“We have discovered that during the editing process, content from other published sources were mistaken for research notes. These sentences were adapted instead of quoted directly. We are grateful this was brought to our attention, and we have removed that document from our website to correct the mistake. Additionally, we are examining all of our similar content as a precautionary measure.”
 
Driscoll has refused repeated requests by WORLD for an interview. In fact, his silence has become an issue since Driscoll has made a habit in his pastoral career of seeking out controversy.

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Tyndale Releases Results of Mark Driscoll Plagiarism Investigation

Today, Tyndale House Publishers released the conclusions of a three-week investigation into allegations of plagiarism against Seattle megapastor Mark Driscoll that drew widespread attention. In the same public statement (copied below in full), Driscoll addresses the controversy for the first time.
 
"After taking the necessary and important time needed to investigate all aspects of this issue, Tyndale House Publishers has concluded the following," the publisher states. "Pertaining to his Tyndale book, A Call to Resurgence, Tyndale believes that Mark Driscoll did indeed adequately cite the work of Peter Jones. ... Tyndale rejects the claims that Mark Driscoll tried to take Peter Jones's ideas and claim them as his own."
 
Regarding a 1 Peter and 2 Peter study guide that InterVarsity Press told CT did not qualify as fair use, Driscoll states: "The error was unintentional, but serious nonetheless. I take responsibility for all of this. In order to make things right, we've contacted the publisher of the works used in the study guide, offered an apology, and agreed to work with them to resolve any issues they had."
 
"Mistakes were made that I am grieved by and apologize for," states Driscoll. "As a Bible teacher, I know that Jesus loves us and uses everything for good. I know he cares very much that we do things in a way that reflects his glory. As a result, I have been praying that he would help me learn through all of this to become more like him and more effective for him."
 
"Because of the biblical manner in which Pastor Driscoll has handled this situation, Tyndale strongly stands behind him and looks forward to publishing many additional books with him," states Ron Beers, senior vice president and group publisher for Tyndale.
 
CT's Andy Crouch recently weighed in on "the real problem with Mark Driscoll's 'citation errors'—and it isn't plagiarism."
 
CT's previous coverage of plagiarism includes plagiarism accusations faced by Richard Land during the Trayvon Martin case. Land lost his radio show over his comments, and later announced his retirement as president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.
 
CT has also reported on how plagiarism among pastors helped spark a new code of ethics from the National Association of Evangelicals, as well as how a former Bush aide repented after his 2008 plagiarism scandal.
 
Here is the complete statement from Tyndale and Driscoll:
 

On November 21, 2013 Pastor Mark Driscoll participated in a radio interview via phone to promote his new book, A Call to Resurgence. The interview was arranged by his book publisher, Tyndale House. During that interview, the talk show host accused Pastor Driscoll of plagiarism in his new book, claiming that he had not properly cited ideas that originally came from Peter Jones, Director of truthXchange and Adjunct Professor at Westminster Seminary in California. In the days following the interview, the talk show host posted on her blog further allegations of plagiarism against Pastor Driscoll, complete with screenshots of other books where she alleged he had committed plagiarism. She later removed all of those posts and issued a public apology.

 Since that time, both Mark Driscoll and Tyndale House have been asked to make statements addressing this issue. While Tyndale has made two brief statements, it has spent much of the past three weeks looking carefully into these claims, as has Pastor Driscoll. Tyndale House and Mark Driscoll take any claims of plagiarism seriously. Tyndale does not condone it in any of its works, and if discovered, the company takes action to correct it immediately. Driscoll has consistently spoken out against plagiarism in his writing and publishing. If any mistakes are ever made in that regard, he is equally committed to correcting such errors as soon as they are discovered. Pastor Driscoll has fully cooperated with Tyndale and both have worked together to carefully investigate the issue with respect to A Call to Resurgence.

After taking the necessary and important time needed to investigate all aspects of this issue, Tyndale House Publishers has concluded the following:


 1. Pertaining to his Tyndale book, A Call to Resurgence, Tyndale believes that Mark Driscoll did indeed adequately cite the work of Peter Jones. While there are many nuanced definitions of plagiarism, most definitions agree that plagiarism is a writer's deliberate use of someone's words or ideas, and claiming them as their own with no intent to provide credit to the original source. Both Mark Driscoll and Tyndale completely agree that the above definition describes an ethical breach and therefore work hard to provide proper citation and to give credit where credit is due in all their works. Tyndale rejects the claims that Mark Driscoll tried to take Peter Jones's ideas and claim them as his own. Moreover, at Pastor Driscoll's invitation, Peter Jones has written on the Resurgence website, and spoken at a Resurgence event, as well as a Mars Hill workshop. Quite the opposite of trying to take Peter Jones's ideas, Mark Driscoll has provided several opportunities for Peter Jones to publicly express his ideas to a large audience.

 2. In a separate issue unrelated to any Tyndale title, the radio host also made an allegation with regard to a study guide that was published in-house at Mars Hill. In this instance, Pastor Driscoll agrees that errors were made. He says:

 In recent weeks, it was brought to my attention that our 2009 Trial study guide on 1&2 Peter contained passages from an existing work for which no proper citation to the original work was provided. The error was unintentional, but serious nonetheless. I take responsibility for all of this. In order to make things right, we've contacted the publisher of the works used in the study guide, offered an apology, and agreed to work with them to resolve any issues they had. Also, I personally contacted one of the editors of the work that was not rightly attributed. Thankfully, he and I have a longstanding relationship, which includes him teaching at Mars Hill and publishing a book with us through Resurgence. He's a godly man who has been very gracious through all of this. I am deeply thankful for his acceptance of my apology, as I deeply grieve this mistake with a brother in Christ whom I appreciate very much.

 Our Full Council of Elders and Board of Advisors and Accountability have all been thoroughly informed, as I am gladly under authority both internally at Mars Hill to a team of Elders, and to a formal leadership team from outside of Mars Hill.

 We've removed the free PDF version of Trial from our website, and we are reviewing the rest of our self-published materials to ensure that no similar mistakes have been made elsewhere. We are also making changes to our content development process to avoid these mistakes in the future. In addition, we are working with all of our past publishers to review other books we have published. If other mistakes were made, we want to correct them as soon as possible.

 Unfortunately, when we removed the Trial PDF from the Mars Hill website, we replaced it with a statement that claimed the book was never sold. That study guide was originally created for in-house small group use at Mars Hill so we gave it away at our church. We first believed we did not receive any revenue from this, but we later discovered that Trial was in fact previously sold on the Resurgence website and by Logos Software. To the best of our knowledge, total profits to Mars Hill from these sales are $236.35. We have corrected the previous statement on our website, and apologize for this error as well.

 Mistakes were made that I am grieved by and apologize for. As a Bible teacher, I know that Jesus loves us and uses everything for good. I know he cares very much that we do things in a way that reflects his glory. As a result, I have been praying that he would help me learn through all of this to become more like him and more effective for him."

 "To his credit, Mark Driscoll has moved quickly to make all necessary changes where mistakes were made in the study guide" said Ron Beers, Senior Vice President and Group Publisher for Tyndale. "Moreover, he has assured us that he has personally spoken with the primary editor of a commentary that was inadvertently used in the study guide without adequate citation, and all parties spoken to have told Pastor Driscoll that they are satisfied with the steps he has taken to correct the errors. Because of the biblical manner in which Pastor Driscoll has handled this situation, Tyndale strongly stands behind him and looks forward to publishing many additional books with him. Tyndale believes that Mark Driscoll has provided a significant call to Christians to unite together in translating the message of Jesus faithfully to a post-Christian culture, to proclaim clearly, loudly, and unashamedly the Good News of Jesus."

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Will Christian Publishers Stand Behind Mars Hill's Sketchy Legacy?

Mars Hill Church's (MHC) current preaching series Malachi: Living for a Legacy focuses on what kind of a biblical legacy their members will leave behind after they depart into the heavenly skies. However, given recent evidence of plagiarism by their senior pastor Mark Driscoll, one could easily question what kind of a legacy this megachurch is imparting not only via their home base in Bellevue, WA but also throughout their global church plants and their online podcast network.

Now that the online buzz surrounding these revelations seems to have cooled off, the evidence doesn’t support the allegation that this was just a witch hunt conducted by those seeking to discredit a controversial "cussing pastor." Rather, evangelical Christian radio host Janet Mefferd's research unearthed examples where Driscoll used material from Peter Jones in his latest book A Call to Resurgence (Tyndale, November 2013) without crediting Jones. Later, she produced evidence that material from Driscoll's study guide Trial: 8 Witnesses From 1 & 2 Peter (Mars Hill Church, 2009, out of print) contained material from the New Bible Commentary (InterVarsity Press, 1994) that was also used without proper citation. After Mefferd accused Driscoll of plagiarism during her interview with him on November 21, 2013, the documentation disappeared from her website though she remained unapologetic about the substance of her allegations.

Initially, MHC accused a "research assistant" with the Docent Group of sending unsourced research notes to Driscoll that made their way into the Trial book. Further analysis revealed that Driscoll was provided with research notes sourced according to industry standards which he appears to have ignored. Along those lines, Tyndale House Publishers doesn’t appear to have applied the rigorous fact checking that publishing houses typically employ, which would have caught the book’s errors as well.

In addition, the "research assistant" he accused of plagiarism was in fact former Mars Hill Church Pastor Justin Holcomb, whom Driscoll praised in March of 2012 for his leadership of Resurgence, the church's publishing and teaching ministry. In a statement posted by Tyndale, Driscoll admits "mistakes were made," though he failed to take responsibility for making false allegations against a former pastor.

John Piper may have called out his fellow megachurch pastor for taking credit for work penned by others but in its statement Tyndale didn’t waver in its support for Driscoll. "Because of the biblical manner in which Pastor Driscoll has handled this situation, Tyndale strongly stands behind him and looks forward to publishing many additional books with him." It’s possible that Tyndale’s reluctance to risk losing an earner like Driscoll has something to do with the publisher’s recent deal with Resurgence Publishing where they will publish numerous titles under a new imprint called Resurgence Publishing (formerly Re: Lit).

A quick review of Driscoll's other recent work reveals similar problems. In Who Do You Think You Are? (Thomas Nelson, January 2013), Driscoll used material from an IVP reference book and Dan B. Allender's Wounded Heart (NavPress, 2008). IVP noted material from this bible commentary improperly appeared without quotation or attribution for the Trial book, and conveyed via email that their statement stands in this case as well. Driscoll also used material from Allender without citation in 2008’s Death by Love, which was published by Crossway.

Moving on to Driscoll's highly publicized #1 New York Times bestseller Real Marriage, co-written with Driscoll's wife Grace, one finds multiple instances of using Allender's work without citation, including chapters supposedly written by Grace. And again, portions of Rid of My Disgrace (2011, Re:Lit), penned by Justin and Lindsey Holcomb, can be found in this book. (Chapter 7 of Real Marriage, contains unattributed passages from pages 16-17 and 27 of Rid of My Disgrace). In an ironic twist, the Resurgence store still sells this book even though Driscoll tried to blame Holcomb for the plagiarism found in the Trial book.

In an email exchange, Crossway stated, "We are in touch with Mars Hill and are conducting an internal review to ensure that our books published by Mark Driscoll have proper citation and documentation." So far, NavPress, publisher of Wounded Heart, has not issued a response regarding Driscoll's use of that book without proper citation, nor has Thomas Nelson commented about these latest allegations of plagiarism committed by its #1 New York Times bestselling author, and why it appears to have failed to fact check Driscoll's books prior to publication.

Furthermore, MHC's ongoing debates over trademarking its name and logos indicate that MHC leaders have no problem issuing "cease and desist" letters when they feel their material might be used without proper citation and credit. So they understand the principle of copyright protection—at least as it applies to their work. Emails to MHC asking for clarification have gone unanswered.

Over at the evangelical flagship site Christianity Today, Andy Crouch opined how the real problem here isn't plagiarism but the fact that much of the work attributed to celebrity figures in the Christian world today is not their own. But the glaring fact remains that plagiarism is a very serious offense that in non-evangelical settings often results in loss of employment. Yes, in secular circles, author/speakers with star power like Fareed Zakaria can emerge from a plagiarism scandal with their gigs intact. However, even Zakaria was given a one month suspension from Time and CNN, while Mark appears to have emerged from this fracas with the full support of both MHC and his current publisher.

On the First Things blog, Carl Trueman recently wrote:

the health of the Christian subcultures in our society depends to an important extent upon the freedom of the Christian press; and that in turn depends upon having plenty of public voices and different groups presenting their different perspectives without the threat of being silenced by those with power and money. I need voices that criticize me and so does everyone else who operates in the public Christian sphere.

If Trueman is correct, this particular subculture appears to have a rather nasty flu.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/culture/7474/will_christian_publishers_stand_behind_mars_hill_s_sketchy_legacy/?utm
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 06:22:15 am »

More publishers investigate Mark Driscoll

At least two more Christian publishers are investigating concerns of plagiarism regarding Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle.

Crossway, which published Driscoll’s Death by Love, issued a statement saying, “We are in touch with Mars Hill and are conducting an internal review to ensure that our books published by Mark Driscoll have proper citation and documentation.” Crossway publicist Janni Firestone added, “As of right now, we’re not sure when the internal review will be complete.”

Driscoll has published nine books with Crossway.

http://www.worldmag.com/2014/01/more_publishers_investigate_driscoll?utm
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Mark Driscoll Angers Twitterverse With Tweet About Hell

 No stranger to controversy, pastor Mark Driscoll has once again given critics a reason to blast him—this time on Twitter.

The pastor of Seattle-based Mars Hill Church lit up the Twitterverse Friday with his tweet, “If you are not a Christian, you are going to hell. It’s not unloving to say that. It’s unloving not to say that.”

Everest Alexander, with the Twitter username “@MyHomeBizTools” replied, “@PastorMark Brother Mark, of course you're 100% correct! I would phrase it a bit differently. If you're not Born Again you're going to hell.”

But most of the responses were negative.

“@PastorMark I wouldn't want to worship a god that would send a good person to hell just for not believing in her,” wrote comedian Adam Wolf.

Twitter user “@almightygod” accused Driscoll of threatening nonbelievers: “@PastorMark Isn't threatening non-Christians with hell sort of like threatening adults with coal in their xmas stocking?”

Jacqueline O. Rhodes commented: “@PastorMark I'd rather go to hell then spend eternity in the same place as you.”

The subject of hell has become increasingly divisive—even among Christians in the last several years. Rob Bell’s 2011 book, Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Every Lived, was panned by evangelicals, with some accusing the pastor of heresy.

Around the time the book came out, Driscoll wrote a blog post stating that it is important to understand that God doesn’t send just anyone to hell, but only those who reject Him.

“Hell is only for those who persistently reject the real God in favor of false gods,” he wrote. “To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, either people will say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ or God will say to them, ‘Thy will be done.’ ”

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The subject of hell has become increasingly divisive—even among Christians in the last several years. Rob Bell’s 2011 book, Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Every Lived, was panned by evangelicals, with some accusing the pastor of heresy.

That's b/c these false, perverted non-KJBs have deleted many references of hell. It's come to a point where the common "church"-goer and "pastor" may not even believe it exists b/c of just that(or just plain offended b/c of just that). The NKJB, fyi, replaced the word hell with "hades" - from what I understand, occultists believe hades is a place of paradise(ie-rock music people put this in their lyrics) - so a non-believer who's hearing the gospel for the first time from someone preaching out of this version will likely get a false perception that we can continue living in sin and the lusts of our flesh.

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“Hell is only for those who persistently reject the real God in favor of false gods,” he wrote. “To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, either people will say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ or God will say to them, ‘Thy will be done.’ ”

Ah...the same ecumenical, occultist CS Lewis - I've read many of his books a few years ago when I thought I was saved. Sure, his writings may have some biblical truth in it, but at the same time he managed to slip in a lot of heresies to boot when you're looking the other way.

Typical of these wolves like Driscoll - they will have the appearance of preaching truth, but then they will point you to heretics like Lewis that will bring you down the destructive path.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 05:24:35 am »

Driscoll bought his own book to make it a best seller.  Cheesy Darwin and his handlers did the same thing, so did Hillary Clinton. Seems only liars need to do that.

Mars Hill Defends How Mark Driscoll's 'Real Marriage' Became a Bestseller
'Unwise' but not 'uncommon or illegal,' $200,000 campaign helped marriage book briefly top New York Times list.

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 Recent reports telling how Mark Driscoll's book reached the top of a bestseller list have left Mars Hill Church calling the campaign "unwise," but not "uncommon or illegal."

Driscoll has recently faced scrutiny for citation errors in a study guide. Now, his book Real Marriage, which Driscoll coauthored with his wife, Grace, is receiving intense attention concerning how it became a New York Times No. 1 bestseller.

In 2011 and 2012, Mars Hill reportedly paid a marketing company ResultSource Inc. (RSI) $210,000 in a contract designed to boost the book to the bestseller list. In a 2011 document, the deal's main purpose was:

    "to conduct a bestseller campaign for your book, Real Marriage on the week of January 2, 2012. The bestseller campaign is intended to place Real Marriage on The New York Times bestseller list for the Advice How-To list."

Aggressive book-marketing campaigns raise ethical questions about the use of church resources and manipulation of bestseller lists.

The document asked Mars Hill to buy 6,000 individual orders and supply RSI with addresses to deliver the books through a third party. In addition, Mars Hill purchased 5,000 bulk copies and provided 90 different addresses for the shipment of the bulk copies, according to the document signed by Matt Miller of RSI and Mars Hill general manager (and current executive elder) John Sutton Turner.

Warren Cole Smith broke the story for World.

In a statement on the church's website, Mars Hill's Board of Advisors and Accountability declared that it "stands unreservedly" behind Driscoll and the executive elders. Among other issues, the board also responded to the church's marketing campaign for Real Marriage:

    While not uncommon or illegal, this unwise strategy is not one we had used before or since, and not one we will use again. The true cost of this endeavor was much less than what has been reported, and to be clear, all of the books purchased through this campaign have been given away or sold through normal channels. All monies from the sale of Pastor Mark's books at Mars Hill bookstores have always gone to the church and Pastor Mark did not profit from the Real Marriage books sold either at the church or through the Result Source marketing campaign.

Driscoll is not the first author to use RSI to get to the top of bestseller lists. According to its website, the marketing company's campaigns are a "sequence of actions all designed to produce clearly defined objectives within limited timeframes and with limited resources."

One of those objectives: attaining bestseller status.

"Publishing a book builds credibility, but having a Bestseller initiates incredible growth—exponentially increasing the demand for your thought leadership, skyrocketing your speaking itinerary and value," the website explains.

The deal between Mars Hill and RSI did achieve its goal—at least for a week. Real Marriage landed a No. 1 spot on The New York Times bestseller list on January 22, 2012. The book was already absent in the top 10 the following week; then, two weeks later, it came back on the bestseller list at #12 for another two weeks. These short stints were enough for Driscoll's official biography to call attention to it.

Mars Hill has received more than $200,000 from sales of Driscoll's book, church spokesman Justin Dean told World.

CT reached out to Thomas Nelson, the publisher of Real Marriage, about Mars Hill's dealings with RSI.

"On occasion, authors will hire additional marketing assistance for book campaigns, apart from what the publisher provides. In this case, it was not our decision, nor were we a party to the agreement," said spokesperson Casey Francis Harrell.

Meanwhile, in a recent interview with CT's sister publication Leadership Journal, Driscoll explained why he has not left Mars Hill to write books full-time:

    I'm probably at the point that I could write books and speak and hang out by my pool and coach Little League. But I don't want to do that because I really love our church. I'm a local church guy. My belief is that Jesus gave his life for the church and he honors those who do the same.

In January 2012, CT interviewed Mark and Grace Driscoll about Real Marriage.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/march/did-mark-driscoll-real-marriage-earn-nyt-bestseller-status-.html
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Meanwhile, in a recent interview with CT's sister publication Leadership Journal, Driscoll explained why he has not left Mars Hill to write books full-time:

    I'm probably at the point that I could write books and speak and hang out by my pool and coach Little League. But I don't want to do that because I really love our church. I'm a local church guy. My belief is that Jesus gave his life for the church and he honors those who do the same.

But, BUT - church BUILDINGS are unscriptural, Mr. Driscoll!

With that being said - Driscoll, like many other "Christian" book authors, probably has his books ghost-written as well.
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My belief is that Jesus gave his life for the church and he honors those who do the same.

That has to be your problem as that isnt what the Bible says.
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My belief is that Jesus gave his life for the church and he honors those who do the same.

That has to be your problem as that isnt what the Bible says.

You also hear all of these Apostate church building pastors say the same thing(pretty much) - they do this so that they can manipulate the pews to inve$t their grudge work time and resources into these church buildings.

Been there, done that - ultimately, it's nothing but slave labor.
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Pastor Mark Driscoll Apologizes for Missteps, Quits Social Media

 Seattle megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll has written a letter to his congregation to explain recent controversies, including the marketing campaign intended to place the book, Real Marriage, on The New York Times best-seller list.

Driscoll has been an influential pastor within Reformed evangelical circles for several years, helping to found a church planting network called Acts 29. His own Mars Hill Church attracts some 14,000 people at 15 locations in five states each Sunday.

In recent months, however, reports have emerged that Driscoll plagiarized some of the material in his books. And earlier this month, World magazine reported that Driscoll hired a firm to buy copies of the book he penned with his wife, Grace, so that it would top the best-seller lists.

In a letter posted on Reddit on Saturday (March 15), Driscoll apologized for using the marketing strategy.

“I am sorry that I used this strategy, and will never use it again,” he wrote. “I have also asked my publisher to not use the ‘#1 New York Times bestseller’ status in future publications, and am working to remove this from past publications as well.”

The church’s spokesman, Justin Dean, confirmed that a letter from Driscoll to Mars Hill Church was posted to the church’s internal network as “a private family communication.”

“At this time we have chosen not to publicly release the letter,” Dean said, adding that the pastor was not available for interviews.

Driscoll also apologized to his church in 2007 for lacking humility.

In the new letter, Driscoll said he would quit social media for the rest of 2014 to “reset” his life. ”The distractions it can cause for my family and our church family are not fruitful or helpful at this time,” he said.

Driscoll also wrote that “my angry-young-prophet days are over.”

“I understand that people who saw or experienced my sin during this season are hurt and in some cases have not yet come to a place of peace or resolution,” he wrote. “I have been burdened by this for the past year and have had private meetings one at a time to learn from, apologize to, and reconcile with people.”

He said that he will not do as many speaking engagements in the future. “I don’t see how I can be both a celebrity and a pastor, and so I am happy to give up the former so that I can focus on the latter,” he wrote.

Driscoll also apologized for how recent staff turnover has been handled.

“I am deeply grieved and even depressed by the pain we have caused,” he said. “Many have chosen to air their concerns online, and I apologize for any burden this may have brought on you, and I will do my best to clarify a few things without, I hope, being angry or defensive.”

http://www.christianheadlines.com/news/pastor-mark-driscoll-apologizes-for-missteps-quits-social-media.html
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In the new letter, Driscoll said he would quit social media for the rest of 2014 to “reset” his life. ”The distractions it can cause for my family and our church family are not fruitful or helpful at this time,” he said.

So that's IT? ANYONE can "quit" social media. Roll Eyes

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“I understand that people who saw or experienced my sin during this season are hurt and in some cases have not yet come to a place of peace or resolution,” he wrote. “I have been burdened by this for the past year and have had private meetings one at a time to learn from, apologize to, and reconcile with people.”

What is it with these Churchianity folks - It's always "I...", "I...", and "I...". Whatever happened to them being quiet, doing their own business, and feeding the flock?

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He said that he will not do as many speaking engagements in the future. “I don’t see how I can be both a celebrity and a pastor, and so I am happy to give up the former so that I can focus on the latter,” he wrote.

He should also give up his pastor title - scripture says we shouldn't be seeking titles. No ifs, ands, or buts.

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“I am deeply grieved and even depressed by the pain we have caused,” he said. “Many have chosen to air their concerns online, and I apologize for any burden this may have brought on you, and I will do my best to clarify a few things without, I hope, being angry or defensive.”

Does that include showing R-rated movies to his youth group too? Or how about his foul language he uses toward his pews?
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2014, 05:46:34 am »

Why Do Mark Driscoll’s Sermons Keep Disappearing?

In recent weeks, many of Mark Driscoll’s sermons have disappeared from the Mars Hill Church website. On March 19, we saw the disappearance of all preaching content before 2008....Also, the page on Driscoll’s study guide on Peter is now missing. According to a message once posted on that page, the guide was to be returned to the site after plagiarized sections were properly sourced. Nothing is there now. He once disclosed that he had the ability to visualize the sins of others in graphic detail. He claimed to get those visions from God. Those sermons are now missing.  During a 2007 sermon, Driscoll famously wished he could “go Old Testament” on a couple of elders...He did not disguise his anger at elders who disagreed with his direction during those messages. Those sermons are now gone. 

MORE: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2014/03/24/mark-driscolls-sermons-keep-disappearing/
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